Keldon or Kawhi?

[couchman]

Who would you rather have right now? :hat

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Who would you rather have right now? :hat

The only answer is fuck neph. Give me a young up and coming KJ all day every day and twice on Sundays.

[Leetonidas]

Right now Nephew can't even play two straight games (or wipe his own ass) so easily Keldon

[mo7888]

Who would you rather have right now? :hat
I'll take KJ now and going forward...there's alot more life left in his career than kl..

[RC_Drunkford]

Kawhi plays basketball? Where?

[poopbox]

I mean one guy plays and one guy can't even wipe his ass :rollin

[Chomag]

As long as Keldon doesn't have an Uncle involved I'm siding with him.

[DAF86]

It's crazy how that Kawhi trade isn't looking that bad now. Poeltl and Keldon, both playing like borderline all-stars.

[couchman]

Amazing how much changes in 4 years.
No way would we trade a Keldon for Kawhi now.
I might finally be getting over how Kawhi stabbed us in the back and that trade isn’t looking so terrible anymore.

[Dejounte]

Keldon becoming a leader in the locker room that Kawhi never could be

[Harry Callahan]

I was thinking about this over the weekend.

Seriously - I take Keldon. He's not as good a player right now, but he actually plays basketball games - you know - his job.

Leonard will be a part time player the rest of his career - he will be paid $120MM over the next three years.

[exstatic]

Mute cancer can’t even wipe his own ass.

[Kori Ellis]

Kawhi is going to be "game-to-game" for the rest of his basketball career. You have to take Keldon.

[SPURt]

Keldon becoming a leader in the locker room that Kawhi never could be
++++++++++++++++1

[paperboy77]

Ridiculous question but I guess this brings the phrase "availability is the best ability" to the forefront. It's all relative.

Replace KJ with 2 on our 2014 run. We don't win. Do that today and we are expected to win maybe they even say our role players are elite.

I hate what happened with 2 but these are facts.

[K...]

since we never got a full account of his injury we don't know if kawhi will always suffer that injury, or it was a freak of nature that led to it. People cherry pick kawhi moments, which were awesome but it took till around year 6 before he could reliably lead an offense. he was inconsistent and limited until then. It's interesting to compare Old Duncan, Old gasol and prime LMA vs Sochan and poertle. there's no way the spurs current bigs are at that level, but also the rules changes make these guys much more suited than the old dinosaur bigs (sorry Tim, but without knees you would not survive in the current league)

At some point you have blame kawhi for not melding with LMA and trading the barrel for paul goerge. We've never seen kawhi happily lead scrubs, and it so hard to meet his ego.

[TDomination]

Keldon all day

kawhi doesn’t even know where your sittin at

[paperboy77]

Kawhi is going to be "game-to-game" for the rest of his basketball career. You have to take Keldon.

We don't know that but i hear you.

[K...]

Ridiculous question but I guess this brings the phrase "availability is the best ability" to the forefront. It's all relative.

Replace KJ with 2 on our 2014 run. We don't win. Do that today and we are expected to win maybe they even say our role players are elite.

I hate what happened with 2 but these are facts.

that's kind of dumb because the main thing that tips it, is lebron. lebron was the best player at the time, so you would have to assume the team would not put keldon in the same way they trusted kawhi. They would still be a high level team. keldon would probably be on the bench and would be crazy with the coffee squad.

[RC_Drunkford]

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[couchman]

I’m not willing to say the Spurs won that trade just yet.
Toronto got a championship and that’s part of the equation.
I’m sure the Raptors would do it all over again

[lefty20]

Yeah, the Raps do it again in a heartbeat for sure.

But the Spurs package ended up being a lot better than initially thought. This trade has the potential to end up being the rare Win-Win scenario, if KJ can ever help bring a Chip here.

[TDomination]

Hopped on a few Clipper forums and fans now asking for kawhi to be traded. Already missing games this year, coach lue doesn’t even have an answer whether he will practice or when he’ll play lol
that sounds familiar

[spursparker9]

Nephew!

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Nephew!

OVERRATED

[scott]

Obviously Kawhi is a "generational talent" but the dude can't play anymore...

And of course the right way to look at this is:

Kawhi

or

Keldon
Jak
Bran
2025 Top 10 Protected FRP from CHI

Sure, the Kawhi who took Toronto to the 'chip would have been fun to watch with LMA that year.... but let's assume he patches things up with the Spurs and stays... where is that team now? Obviously LMA is still retired by this point... I'm not sure what the team looks like at this point. But... we might have two more 'chips if Zaza never happens.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Id ask ‘Keldon or Edwards’? Keldon had a great overall game but Anthony Edwards had a great second half. In the past three games I’d say Keldon-2 Edwards-1. With Keldon outplaying edwards in game 1 and 3 while Edwards took game 2.

[mystargtr34]

Keldon's development trajectory has been unbelievable.

Have a look at this 2019 draft

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2019.html

A re-draft today, a mere 3 and a bit years later, would likely see Keldon go number 3 imo behind Morant and Zion.

With Zion being a ticking time bomb injury wise, Keldon could easily have the second best NBA career out of the entire draft.

[mystargtr34]

^Garland may have a case for the number 3 spot ahead of Keldon, but I wouldn't do that if im the Spurs. I wouldn't trade Keldon for anyone in that draft other than Morant or Zion.

[spurraider21]

It's crazy how that Kawhi trade isn't looking that bad now. Poeltl and Keldon, both playing like borderline all-stars.
Plus the picks we got out of derozan

[scott]

Keldon's development trajectory has been unbelievable.

Have a look at this 2019 draft

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2019.html

A re-draft today, a mere 3 and a bit years later, would likely see Keldon go number 3 imo behind Morant and Zion.

With Zion being a ticking time bomb injury wise, Keldon could easily have the second best NBA career out of the entire draft.

I'd say there's a pretty good case for Jordan Poole ahead of Keldon. After that, I'd put Keldon just ahead of Herro?

Edit: on second thought, nah. Keldon ahead of Poole.

[mystargtr34]

Yeah Poole and Herro were the two guys who I thought were close to Keldon but for comparable talents/numbers give me the bigger 6'6' guy who can play 3/4 over the smaller 6'4-6'5 guys who are combo guards. Keldon isn't great defensively but Poole and Herro are both poor on that end.

[Mal]

Kawho ?

[Maddog]

Amazing how much changes in 4 years.
No way would we trade a Keldon for Kawhi now.
I might finally be getting over how Kawhi stabbed us in the back and that trade isn’t looking so terrible anymore.

The Spurs won a title with Nephew. How many stars have left their original teams without ever winning a title?
A completely healthy Nephew might be better- but isn't going to turn this team into a contender and his shelf life is short.


Then there is this...


Keldon becoming a leader in the locker room that Kawhi never could be

[Uriel]

If the question is, “Which player would you rather have on your team if your goal is to win a championship this year?” the answer is Kawhi. If the question is, “Which player would you rather build around for the next 5-10 years?” the answer is clearly Keldon.

[exstatic]

If the question is, “Which player would you rather have on your team if your goal is to win a championship this year?” the answer is Kawhi. If the question is, “Which player would you rather build around for the next 5-10 years?” the answer is clearly Keldon.

Even before he blew his knee out, he can’t play well past the second round. He doesn’t get his days off. He’s no longer a centerpiece on a title contender.

[baseline bum]

I just hope the Spurs don't do something stupid like offer Mute Cancer a welcome back contract in 2025 when he's 35 and completely broken down and the big markets don't want him any more.

[couchman]

I just hope the Spurs don't do something stupid like offer Mute Cancer a welcome back contract in 2025 when he's 35 and completely broken down and the big markets don't want him any more.

I don't think we have to worry about that. He'll likely retire rather than leave his comfy blanket in SoCal.

[baseline bum]

I don't think we have to worry about that. He'll likely retire rather than leave his comfy blanket in SoCal.

Uncle Dennis will still need money so he'll push him to keep playing until he's 40+ I'm guessing.

[spurraider21]

so in exchange for (so far) 4 seasons of kawhi (he only played three, missed one to injury), we got:

poeltl
keldon
3 years of derozan > 2025 protected first from chicago + thad youg (traded to raptors for Branham pick) + 2 second round picks

[Dejounte]

Amazing what happens when you wait for results to play out instead of reacting too quickly

[Fireball]

Right now? Keldon ... but he will probably get a day or two off by Pop after the beating he took last night.

[rjv]

even though toronto benefited greatly by getting their banner, they still did us a favor. the spurs medical staff saw a degenerative condition that uncle wanted to change the narrative on (nephew wasn't taken care of well by the spurs medical staff). now, the clippers can load manage him all they want but that knee (quad, actually) is always going to be a problem.

[cd98]

Kawhi is the better player, but Keldon is more fun to watch because he looks like he's happy to be here. I just trust that he will stick around if he's fairly paid. Kawhi wanted out as soon as he got his max contract.

[cd98]

so in exchange for (so far) 4 seasons of kawhi (he only played three, missed one to injury), we got:

poeltl
keldon
3 years of derozan > 2025 protected first from chicago + thad youg (traded to raptors for Branham pick) + 2 second round picks

Right, but Toronto would say they got one year of Kawhi and a title and cut loose DDR salary and mediocrity. So they got a good deal too. If we could guarantee a title by trading Poeltl, Keldon, and draft picks, we'd do it. Titles are hard to get, even if it is just one title.

[TD 21]

I’m not willing to say the Spurs won that trade just yet.

Toronto got a championship and that’s part of the equation.
I’m sure the Raptors would do it all over again

The Raptors didn't just get a tainted championship, they got undeserved reputations and long-term job security out of it.

The Spurs never "win the trade" unless Johnson becomes a significant part of winning a championship here, which is obviously beyond highly unlikely.


And of course the right way to look at this is:

Kawhi

or

Keldon
Jak
Bran
2025 Top 10 Protected FRP from CHI

Sure, the Kawhi who took Toronto to the 'chip would have been fun to watch with LMA that year.... but let's assume he patches things up with the Spurs and stays... where is that team now? Obviously LMA is still retired by this point... I'm not sure what the team looks like at this point. But... we might have two more 'chips if Zaza never happens.

This is revisionist history and an attempt to reverse engineer things while the latter part is irrelevant.



they still did us a favor.

:lmao



Amazing what happens when you wait for results to play out instead of reacting too quickly

But you do the latter all the time.

[scott]

The Raptors didn't just get a tainted championship, they got undeserved reputations and long-term job security out of it.

The Spurs never "win the trade" unless Johnson becomes a significant part of winning a championship here, which is obviously beyond highly unlikely.



This is revisionist history and an attempt to reverse engineer things while the latter part is irrelevant.




:lmao




But you do the latter all the time.

It's literally the results of the trade. I get it, you thought the Spurs should have done better and that prevents you from acknowledging the long-term outcome of the trade. Still doesn't change the facts though.

[Arcadian]

Always take the younger guy when it's close enough to ask. Whether KJ ever reaches the peak that Kawhi did is much more doubtful.

[jjspur]

Wouldn't be surprised if Kawhi just retired. He's not getting any younger. The only thing getting better about him is his salary. Don't know how much longer the Clips keep paying his salary without getting that much in return. Your reputation doesn't take you very far in the playoffs as the clippers have already found out. Who knows with him. He's an odd character.

[lefty20]

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He ded

[paperboy77]

that's kind of dumb because the main thing that tips it, is lebron. lebron was the best player at the time, so you would have to assume the team would not put keldon in the same way they trusted kawhi. They would still be a high level team. keldon would probably be on the bench and would be crazy with the coffee squad.

I said if they swap KJ for KL they don't ring. I think you agree with that.

Put KL on today's team and they'll be a very good team and our role players would be a huge part of a KL led team.

[baseline bum]

I said if they swap KJ for KL they don't ring. I think you agree with that.

Put KL on today's team and they'll be a very good team and our role players would be a huge part of a KL led team.

Mute Cancer ain't doing shit for this team in street clothes tbh

[baseline bum]

Wouldn't be surprised if Kawhi just retired. He's not getting any younger. The only thing getting better about him is his salary. Don't know how much longer the Clips keep paying his salary without getting that much in return. Your reputation doesn't take you very far in the playoffs as the clippers have already found out. Who knows with him. He's an odd character.

He is under contract through the 2024-25 season. They have to pay him no matter what kind of faggotry he pulls as long as he doesn't retire.

[TD 21]

It's literally the results of the trade. I get it, you thought the Spurs should have done better and that prevents you from acknowledging the long-term outcome of the trade. Still doesn't change the facts though.

Yeah, after the fact, but you've got to base trades on when they were made.

Was Gasol to the Lakers not a heist because his younger brother far exceeded expectations?

If you want to know what Scumbag's true worth (sans Green) would have been had he not pulled his antics, look no further than the Davis trade.

The Spurs bent over and gave the Raptors everything without having to feel an ounce of pain. Worst trade ever.

[MultiTroll]

Moving forward has to be Keldon.

I myself still thankful for 2014s contribution and 2017s MVP year that i believe would have beaten the Warriors and very well have Chip'd.
NBA and Spurs changed for the extreme worse by that cheap assault.

[DeRozan m8]

Why we acting like we had a choice in the matter?

We gave away that criminal team cancer because we had no choice

In the end, didn't do too bad out of it

Karma doing its thing on the criminal and his criminal uncle

[venitian navigator]

Why we acting like we had a choice in the matter?

We gave away that criminal team cancer because we had no choice

In the end, didn't do too bad out of it

Karma doing its thing on the criminal and his criminal uncle

Agree

[pookenstein]

Karma hasn't done shit yet to the uncle.

[jjspur]

He is under contract through the 2024-25 season. They have to pay him no matter what kind of faggotry he pulls as long as he doesn't retire.

Yeah he has a few more years left on his contract, but how much longer can he keep up this I'm a soft ass MF but pay me any way routine. The Clippers must be realizing that his weak part time ass isn't worth what they are paying him. Leonard is laughing at the Clips all the way to the bank. He took us for a lot of money by not playing, but he is really robbing the Clippers blind. :lol

[lefty]

Will Keldon eventually leave for a better city once he becomes a FA?

[baseline bum]

Will Keldon eventually leave for a better city once he becomes a FA?

Probably leave for a better city even if he stays on the Spurs tbh

[LeBowen]

Will Keldon eventually leave for a better city once he becomes a FA?

He just signed a new deal, which expires in 2027.
If Spurs aren't competitive by then, of course he'll want to leave.

If we're back into let's say top5 in the West, he doesn't seem like the type of guy who'd leave a good team.

[timvp]

I'm shocked that Neph can't deal with his first actual, real, serious injury of his career. I'm also shocked that him gaining 30 pounds after ACL reconstruction wasn't helpful.

[baseline bum]

I'm shocked that Neph can't deal with his first actual, real, serious injury of his career. I'm also shocked that him gaining 30 pounds after ACL reconstruction wasn't helpful.

Ran off to Cali but still got some San Antonio in him

[paperboy77]

Mute Cancer ain't doing shit for this team in street clothes tbh

Well, assuming he's healthy of course.

But you're actually right, that POS is currently worthless.

[Spurs Homer]

Is the mute traitor injured again?

bwahahahahahahahaha!

[John B]

Kawhi was a good soldier until his uncle poisoned his mind. I hope Keldon doesn’t have an Uncle Dennis.

[Russ]

I just hope the Spurs don't do something stupid like offer Mute Cancer a welcome back contract in 2025 when he's 35 and completely broken down and the big markets don't want him any more.

Primo's jersey will hang from the rafters before the Spurs give Kawhi a "welcome back" anything.

[timvp]

Primo's jersey will hang from the rafters before ...

I started laughing before finishing that sentence, tbh. :lol

[Mugen]

Ran off to Cali but still got some San Antonio in him

:lol

[Ice009]

I'm shocked that Neph can't deal with his first actual, real, serious injury of his career. I'm also shocked that him gaining 30 pounds after ACL reconstruction wasn't helpful.

30 lbs? WTF. Did he do this on purpose? If so, did he say what his reasoning for it was? Is he looking to play PF or something?