Notes from the Tony Buzbee Press Conference Regarding Joshua Primo and the Spurs

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/joshua-primo-press-conference-buzbee-accuser-spurs-notes-video/

[spurraider21]

Buzbee by 20+, tbh

[Trill Clinton]

If true, B Wright gotta go.

[playblair]

primo is innocent until proven guilty

[Texas_Ranger]

i better not hear anything ever again considering any serious matter from this team. Fucking pussies. Get fired all of you that knew something.

[Dex]

Yeah, that's not great.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Lol there are no good corporate entities

[TekXX]

Let's hear all sides first before demanding anyone be fired please. This guy is suing everyone so yea he wants everyone to look bad.

[Barfunk]

Both of these f*ckers, Buzbee and the accuser look like they're full of sh*t. That Buzbee dude looks like a used car salesman piece of sh*t, no offense to used car salesman of course. This is a money grab hands down. You can see it on her face, she's full of sh*t. Fortunately for them, people are stupid.

[MultiTroll]

Credibility on this point?

-Buzbee says this isn’t about money. Instead, Cauthen wants changes to be made within the Spurs organization in terms of reporting inappropriate actions and following up on such actions.


:lmao Zero

May i remind the jury that if you find a person lies about one point, you may find all of his testimony to be bogus.

[Darius Bieber]

Both of these fuckers, Buzbee and the accuser look like they're full of shit. That Buzbee dude looks like a used car salesman piece of shit, no offense to used car salesman of course. This is a money grab hands down. You can see it on her face, she's full of shit. Fortunately for them, people are stupid.

I think Don Harris tweeted out that she is not seeking monetary damages.

[John B]

I’m not in legal and could only speculate why Spurs waived Primo. But I would’ve kept Primo but put him on suspension while the investigation is going. Waiving a “future” franchise player unprecendentedly, just drew a picture of Primo as more guilty, even Buzbee speculating Primo again did similar in Minnesota resulting to him finally getting waived. Again I don’t know the Spurs legal strategy, but that’s my take. Waiving him gives the impression that he’s guilty, and Spurs would like to cut ties. I’m sure Spurs probably wants to portray zero tolerance, and to the other players, but it doesn’t help Primo’s case, and maybe Spurs for just “handling him to the wolves.”

[Barfunk]

I think Don Harris tweeted out that she is not seeking monetary damages.
Where did you read this? I highly doubt it. Not trying to hate I just honestly doubt there is no gain to be had for these two douchebags.

[MultiTroll]

Both of these f*ckers, Buzbee and the accuser look like they're full of sh*t. That Buzbee dude looks like a used car salesman piece of sh*t, no offense to used car salesman of course.
Drug dealer, loan shark, casino manager.

[Barfunk]

Drug dealer, loan shark, casino manager.

I honestly agree.

[Darius Bieber]

Where did you read this? I highly doubt it. Not trying to hate I just honestly doubt there is no gain to be had for these two douchebags.

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[timvp]

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This is false.

[Barfunk]

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Thanks. Still doubt about no gain, but again thanks.

[Darius Bieber]

This is false.

Oh dang, timvp from the top rope

[Extra Stout]

https://imgflip.com/i/6zefgv

[Larry O]

Wow! So unfortunate, but sadly, some bodies will be held accountable within the Spurs organization, and it sounds like Primo's boy, Brian, could be one of the first heads that could be rolling off the chopping block, if Cauthen's accusations can be proven to be true. Oh my!

[RC_Drunkford]

high character guys :lmao

[vy65]

The more I think about it, releasing Primo is a really bad fact: the spurs are first party observers to the conduct being alleged. They had the conversations at issue, etc. they are also notorious for player loyalty (50 mills, the Gasol deal etc) and they decided to let Primo go.

There’s no rational explanation for waiving Primo a week or two after you gave him $8 million if you believed he did nothing wrong. The extension would incentivize the Spurs to do everything in their power to keep someone that they have a bag of money too and were touting him as a franchise player.

Somewhere, they got information about him that caused the organization to believe they had to cut him. There’s no other explanation.

I’d be curious to find out when the org received Buzbee’s demand letter and how that timing lines up with last Friday. But to waive this guy and then get sued 6 days later is a horrible fucking look.

[John B]

The more I think about it, releasing Primo is a really bad fact: the spurs are first party observers to the conduct being alleged. They had the conversations at issue, etc. they are also notorious for player loyalty (50 mills, the Gasol deal etc) and they decided to let Primo go.

There’s no rational explanation for waiving Primo a week or two after you gave him $8 million if you believed he did nothing wrong. The extension would incentivize the Spurs to do everything in their power to keep someone that they have a bag of money too and were touting him as a franchise player.

Somewhere, they got information about him that caused the organization to believe they had to cut him. There’s no other explanation.

I’d be curious to find out when the org received Buzbee’s demand letter and how that timing lines up with last Friday. But to waive this guy and then get sued 6 days later is a horrible fucking look.

Exactly my take. Spurs pretty much handling him to the wolves. May not be bad for Spurs zero tolerance culture, but definitely bad for Primo’s case. People’s impression of Spurs cutting ties with their “future” franchise? Primo must have done terribly bad.

[exstatic]

The more I think about it, releasing Primo is a really bad fact: the spurs are first party observers to the conduct being alleged. They had the conversations at issue, etc. they are also notorious for player loyalty (50 mills, the Gasol deal etc) and they decided to let Primo go.

There’s no rational explanation for waiving Primo a week or two after you gave him $8 million if you believed he did nothing wrong. The extension would incentivize the Spurs to do everything in their power to keep someone that they have a bag of money too and were touting him as a franchise player.

Somewhere, they got information about him that caused the organization to believe they had to cut him. There’s no other explanation.

I’d be curious to find out when the org received Buzbee’s demand letter and how that timing lines up with last Friday. But to waive this guy and then get sued 6 days later is a horrible fucking look.

They didn’t believe Cauthen and let her go. He then exposed himself in Vegas and in Minny on the last road trip, letting them know they fucked up. Once it became public rumblings, he had to go.

[Mal]

primo is innocent until proven guilty

Read his lawyer statement - 100% guilty

[vy65]

They didn’t believe Cauthen and let her go. He then exposed himself in Vegas and in Minny on the last road trip, letting them know they fucked up. Once it became public rumblings, he had to go.

I believe the phrase is, “bet on the wrong horse.”

[vy65]

Read his lawyer statement - 100% guilty

Primos attorney is from a big firm in LA who admittedly does have some experience in related cases but appears to be fixated on race issues. I don’t see that being smart strategy with a multi millionaire 19 year old in front of a largely Hispanic community.

[Mal]

Primos attorney is from a big firm in LA who admittedly does have some experience in related cases but appears to be fixated on race issues. I don’t see that being smart strategy with a multi millionaire 19 year old in front of a largely Hispanic community.

Yeah - kid is accused of flashing his dick to women on mulitple occasions, so attorney decides to play race card. Should work, right ?

[timvp]

This is false.

https://twitter.com/DonHarris4/status/1588233937930915843

[timtonymanu]

Jeopardizing your franchise for some shit scrub like Primo :lol

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/DonHarris4/status/1588233937930915843

Lawyers don’t work for free. If there’s no money, there’s no fee.

[mo7888]

They didn’t believe Cauthen and let her go. He then exposed himself in Vegas and in Minny on the last road trip, letting them know they fucked up. Once it became public rumblings, he had to go.

I think that's pretty close to what their position would be...that's the only way they can try and justify guaranteeing his contract...

[KingKev]

I’m here for the drama if it helps the tank.

#FreeLilPrimo #justiceForCathy

What probably happens is the NBA takes our 2023 FRP as a consequence of PATFO thinking they are smarter than anyone else.

[JADG79]

Now we know the guy likes to show off his buddy without taking his pants off, apparently this is undeniable.

But, had she told Joshua to keep his buddy in his place that made her uncomfortable?
I'm not sure how she can't talk directly to Primo and stop this behavior since the beginning as a woman and a Dr.
Did she want to help Primo as a Psychologist or did she just want a punishment from the organization?

and then she simply took action after her contract was not renewed.

[elbamba1]

The more I think about it, releasing Primo is a really bad fact: the spurs are first party observers to the conduct being alleged. They had the conversations at issue, etc. they are also notorious for player loyalty (50 mills, the Gasol deal etc) and they decided to let Primo go.

There’s no rational explanation for waiving Primo a week or two after you gave him $8 million if you believed he did nothing wrong. The extension would incentivize the Spurs to do everything in their power to keep someone that they have a bag of money too and were touting him as a franchise player.

Somewhere, they got information about him that caused the organization to believe they had to cut him. There’s no other explanation.

I’d be curious to find out when the org received Buzbee’s demand letter and how that timing lines up with last Friday. But to waive this guy and then get sued 6 days later is a horrible fucking look.

My speculation would be that something irrefutable happened in Minnesota and they cut him because of that. Just a guess of course because it makes no sense if she has really been making these claims for 10 months.

[RC_Drunkford]

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:lmao

[T Park]

On the surface it looks like that Wright knew, and tried to sweep it under the rug, and something in Minnesota happened, scrambled, cut him, and now all hell is breaking loose.

There are questions about who knew and when. They weren’t clear on that, they weren’t clear on the meeting with counsel and HR.

It’s disturbing AF if all of this is true and. primo is some sicko sexual predator. It’s as bad if Wright knew, did zilch and just tried to cover it up.

Today raised as many questions as answers IMO.

[elbamba1]

I love Buzbee walking the tightrope with Pop. Basically, he is pointing the finger at Wright, a relatively unknown and not particularly popular GM and the teams' attorneys, who no one knows. Smart move in SA to not go after Pop or RC. I'm still not sure its a good lawsuit in SA. They better have damn good evidence. I don't expect a medical professional to allow a kid to expose himself repeatedly in different sessions and waiting to report this to the GM because you wanted an in-person meeting rather than sending a more direct communication. However, waiving him right before the lawsuit also seems off as well.

[elbamba1]

On the surface it looks like that Wright knew, and tried to sweep it under the rug, and something in Minnesota happened, scrambled, cut him, and now all hell is breaking loose.

There are questions about who knew and when. They weren’t clear on that, they weren’t clear on the meeting with counsel and HR.

It’s disturbing AF if all of this is true and. primo is some sicko sexual predator. It’s as bad if Wright knew, did zilch and just tried to cover it up.

Today raised as many questions as answers IMO.

We will know if Wright resigns. I was curious why RC made the original team statement and not Wright. Not that RC isn't in a position to make the statement but usually the GM would address a team waiver, or at least I would think.

[BacktoBasics]

This seems weird. Exposing himself in a therapy session. It’s just odd and she kept meeting him. Even more strange.

Obviously if you’re exposing yourself you got issues so maybe she inadvertently prompted him or triggered him.

Something seems kinda fishy here.

[T Park]

I love Buzbee walking the tightrope with Pop. Basically, he is pointing the finger at Wright, a relatively unknown and not particularly popular GM and the teams' attorneys, who no one knows. Smart move in SA to not go after Pop or RC. I'm still not sure its a good lawsuit in SA. They better have damn good evidence. I don't expect a medical professional to allow a kid to expose himself repeatedly in different sessions and waiting to report this to the GM because you wanted an in-person meeting rather than sending a more direct communication. However, waiving him right before the lawsuit also seems off as well.



Yeah, and I’m not saying it’s right, but, did she tell him whatever he did was innapropriate?

Did he pull his shorts down and expose himself? Or what? This will all come out later but, again, more questions

[mo7888]

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:lmao

I know what she means...but the way Tom wrote that tweet it sounds like Wright exposed himself to her in public ...

[stnick2261]

I'm withholding judgement until both sides get to plead their case, but... I wanna know how the team psychiatrist can't (within a month's time) get within earshot of the GM for 5 seconds to say, "I have a serious concern about one of your players that I need to speak with you about, in private".... and couldn't do that with the coach for 7 months.

The Front Office probably said, "We can't ruin a teenager's life without proof, so we will investigate it until such a time as we get proof."

But they absolutely should not have let him back in her private office alone with her if there were allegations from her of what he did.

[T Park]

This seems weird. Exposing himself in a therapy session. It’s just odd and she kept meeting him. Even more strange.

Obviously if you’re exposing yourself you got issues so maybe she inadvertently prompted him or triggered him.

Something seems kinda fishy here.

9 times also. Like me, if someone exposed themselves once I’d be like, alright we’re done here. I want the GM, RC everyone in a meeting right now or I’m going to the press.

[Russ]

From timvp's notes:


-Cauthen began working for the Spurs in April of 2021. Her job was to help players become “better players and better people.” Cauthen, who Buzbee pointed out has five degrees and was a former college athlete, says that the Spurs job was her dream job.

Did Cauthen work with all the players or only some?

Was there some criteria for a player's sessions with Cauthen (e.g., some problem perceived by others or some desire by the player for counseling)?

Or was participation required by all players as a team function?

[BacktoBasics]

I'm withholding judgement until both sides get to plead their case, but... I wanna know how the team psychiatrist can't (within a month's time) get within earshot of the GM for 5 seconds to say, "I have a serious concern about one of your players that I need to speak with you about, in private".... and couldn't do that with the coach for 7 months.

The Front Office probably said, "We can't ruin a teenager's life without proof, so we will investigate it until such a time as we get proof."

But they absolutely should not have let him back in her private office alone with her if there were allegations from her of what he did.
Yeah not getting a meeting makes no sense when her job is literally to put management on notice if there are mental health issues.

Exposed himself to her 9 times? She’s definitely not doing her job if things escalated to that degree. Not trying to victim shame but it doesn’t add up. I could understand like a low level intern allowing for self preservation reasons but this lady is the mental health authority.

This thing is getting weird.

B Wright is probably gone. I don’t really put this on pop like some here badly want to do.

[R. DeMurre]

Pop's "uncanny maturity" comment about Primo was first published in a Jan 5th, 2022 article. I imagine that will become part of a timeline. Hard to imagine Pop being aware of the situation at that point and still making that comment, but I wonder if later comments on record about "character" and such will be brought up. It would be weird if B Wright knew-- for any length of time-- and kept it from Pop.

[MannyIsGod]

The part where she kept meeting with him does strike me as strange but I reconcile that easily with this being her dream job. People will put up with a lot of crazy shit when they really want to keep their job. I do agree its strange, but I don't find it unbelievable.

[ducks]

primo is innocent until proven guilty

Not in the me to movement today unfortunately

[The Truth #6]

This seems weird. Exposing himself in a therapy session. It’s just odd and she kept meeting him. Even more strange.

Obviously if you’re exposing yourself you got issues so maybe she inadvertently prompted him or triggered him.

Something seems kinda fishy here.

On the face it seems odd. And this isn’t directed at you but got me thinking.

I think the plaintiff seems to be asserting that she warned people but wasn’t heard and kept meeting with him because that’s her job and due to fear of losing her job she had no other choice but to meet with him, or she had to quit. And then she was fired. That’s a bad look. If she alleged this, Spurs should have handled their future sessions differently, if it’s true she kept meeting him.

Despite Buzzbee being sleazy and barely knowing his client (“this morning she told me she has five degrees”) and not knowing shit about Vegas or Minnesota allegations, that doesn’t change much with his case other than to further bolster it as far as I can tell. I think that she hired this guy is a bad choice.

But…Big picture: something happened, she was let go first, the perpetrator was fired. Spurs are trying to avoid the situation throughout as far as I can tell. I still think the plaintiff is winning as far as optics.

[ducks]

Pop's "uncanny maturity" comment about Primo was first published in a Jan 5th, 2022 article. I imagine that will become part of a timeline. Hard to imagine Pop being aware of the situation at that point and still making that comment, but I wonder if later comments on record about "character" and such will be brought up. It would be weird if B Wright knew-- for any length of time-- and kept it from Pop.
Why when pop said it he could have had 3 bottles of wine

[BacktoBasics]

The part where she kept meeting with him does strike me as strange but I reconcile that easily with this being her dream job. People will put up with a lot of crazy shit when they really want to keep their job. I do agree its strange, but I don't find it unbelievable.

Fair point but it is somewhat unbelievable due to the fact that it’s literally her job to report mental health problems to upper management.

Her position is essentially in place to coup with these very things before they become a problem. Yet she continued to allow it to perpetuate when it’s her job to mitigate stuff like that.

I feel bad saying it but she has no business being a mental health expert while simultaneously allowing herself to be a victim in very situations she was hired to navigate.

[JeffDuncan]

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:lmao


Public setting implies there are witnesses. Just an observation.

[RC_Drunkford]

This seems weird. Exposing himself in a therapy session. It’s just odd and she kept meeting him. Even more strange.

Obviously if you’re exposing yourself you got issues so maybe she inadvertently prompted him or triggered him.

Something seems kinda fishy here.

Honestly Primo's best defense would be to say they was fuckin. That would instantly make him the victim and make her a sex offender, since he's under 21

[spurraider21]

Honestly Primo's best defense would be to say they was fuckin. That would instantly make him the victim and make her a sex offender, since he's under 21
but hes not under 18

[BacktoBasics]

Honestly Primo's best defense would be to say they was fuckin. That would instantly make him the victim and make her a sex offender, since he's under 21

It would be smart. But I think age of consent in Texas is 17 or 18 not 21.

However it would make him a victim in that she was treating him.

[RC_Drunkford]

It would be smart. But I think age of consent in Texas is 17 or 18 not 21.

However it would make him a victim in that she was treating him.

yea I don't know about the laws in the US. You're an adult at 18 in Europe

[baseline bum]

If true, B Wright gotta go.

tbh if false B Wrong gotta go too

[baseline bum]

This is false.

Can't really trust Don Harris after he crapped on TSpence for reporting the Gasol signing tbh

[BacktoBasics]

yea I don't know about the laws in the US. You're an adult at 18 in Europe

Age of consent in Texas is 17. I just looked.

God damn 16 in New Jersey. The fuck is wrong with them over there.

[John B]

This was going on for months and only sought Buzbee when her contract was not extended sounds retaliatory. If Primo was indeed exposing himself to him (and maybe others), she as his psychologist cannot recommend further help for him? A psychiatric evaluation why he’s doing it?

[Russ]

This probably a nonfactor here, but there is some duty by mental health care professionals to report/warn if they believe their patient is about to commit a crime.

[playblair]

bruh of course she is a leftists metoo...........she is a scammer this was 3 years ago..........when u hire woke u go broke.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzTP3f_6coA&ab_channel=TEDxTalks

[BacktoBasics]

bruh of course she is a leftists metoo...........she is a scammer this was 3 years ago..........when u hire woke u go broke.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzTP3f_6coA&ab_channel=TEDxTalks

I wish you people would just fall off the face of the earth. You make good honest conservatives look bad.

[R. DeMurre]

Primo's not looking too great early on from a public opinion perspective. His first comment on this topic was a post that he has suffered trauma and is dealing with mental health issues... not a confession of guilt exactly, but certainly some kind of acknowledgement that something unusual was going on and related to his being waived. And now his lawyer says nothing at all happened, no exposure whatsoever, and the psychologist is racist? I'm guessing Primo's current lawyer wasn't involved in that original statement that was released to ESPN.

[The Truth #6]

This probably a nonfactor here, but there is some duty by mental health care professionals to report/warn if they believe their patient is about to commit a crime.

I agree in general but this gets back to the ethical awkwardness I’ve been getting at: this isn’t a normal therapist/client relationship. It’s almost closer to her being a trainer, honestly. In a normal situation, she could just fire him as a client but she can’t do that here because the Spurs are the real client.

Due to the nature of her job, I don’t think she’s there to really heal him, but just use therapy techniques to improve his production on the court, basically.

[JeffDuncan]

Primo's not looking too great early on from a public opinion perspective. His first comment on this topic was a post that he has suffered trauma and is dealing with mental health issues... not a confession of guilt exactly, but certainly some kind of acknowledgement that something unusual was going on and related to his being waived. And now his lawyer says nothing at all happened, no exposure whatsoever, and the psychologist is racist? I'm guessing Primo's current lawyer wasn't involved in that original statement that was released to ESPN.


Primo’s lawyer is a blithering moron who he should fire, and sue for legal malpractice, this afternoon. I mean, that lawyer needs to consult a lawyer. “Say as little as possible.”

That stupid idiot spewed his whole legal defense in public, for the other side to see.

[RD2191]

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:lmao
:lol

[Chomag]

Welp, better get used to the name "Austin" Spurs now...

Thanks Primo!

[Vince Carter's ankle]

I’m here for the drama if it helps the tank.

#FreeLilPrimo #justiceForCathy

What probably happens is the NBA takes our 2023 FRP as a consequence of PATFO thinking they are smarter than anyone else.
Or maybe take away the next draft pick from the Spurs as punishment?

[lefty20]

Pay to make this go away, fire Wright and anyone else who helped him in trying to keep this quite then try and move on.

That should be Peter Holt's immediate to do list.

[slick'81]

Get wright the fck outta here. Dude is in way over his head

[timtonymanu]

Honestly if this means Brian Wrong leaving then that’s one good result.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So far all we have from Primo's camp is:

1 - he suffered trauma as a child, and is dealing with it
2 - she's a racist

Not exactly a strong start to their defense.

If she's got a paper trail on what/when she told Wright, that fucker needs to be unemployed by end of day.

[spurs1990]

The lady has five degrees. FIVE? How is that even possible or at all desirable by anyone

[TDomination]

I’m here for the drama if it helps the tank.

#FreeLilPrimo #justiceForCathy

What probably happens is the NBA takes our 2023 FRP as a consequence of PATFO thinking they are smarter than anyone else.

with our luck, the spurs punishment will be the loss of a 2023 FRP

[KingKev]

with our luck, the spurs punishment will be the loss of a 2023 FRP

I’m not a conspiracy theorist but this would be a great opportunity for the NBA to give Pop a parting gift.

[John B]

but hes not under 18

As long as they’re not drinking when having sex :toast

[Mugen]

with our luck, the spurs punishment will be the loss of a 2023 FRP

If the league ever did that, I would hope the entire organization goes full scorched earth and makes sure that every single skeleton around the league is unearthed tbh. Such a punishment would be absolutely fucking ridiculous regardless the outcome of this upcoming investigation :lol

[KingKev]

No jail time for Bridges. Suspension probable however.

Let that burn for the resident legal experts in this thread.

[cd98]

I don't think we have enough facts to really know if the Spurs are in hot water or not. Obviously, they were okay with this going public so they must think they have some ammunition.

But I would not be dismissive of Cauthen as a witness. Lots of stuff we don't know. Where were the sessions? Were they Spurs mandated? Primo had to be acting within the course and scope of his employment for the Spurs to be liable and its hard to say with limited facts if he was on the Spurs time when he saw her, especially if it involved childhood trauma. Also, it would be interesting to know who was paying for the session. She had a contract. Was she an employee or an independent contractor and what was her fee structure? Was it a flat fee to see as many players as wanted to go? Was she paid by the hour, and if so, did Primo pay for his sessions? Lots of stuff unknown.

We talk about 9 visits that exposure happened, but we do not know the situation or the pressure she was under to tolerate the behavior to keep her job. She did say that she valued the job and it was a great opportunity for her. Maybe that allowed her to give Primo multiple opportunities to change. It's not a slam dunk that she tolerated it happening 9 times so she has no room to complain. And if she did complain and then they retaliated by cutting her time and not re-signing her to a new contract, then that is a can of worms too.

But again, this is all speculation because we have almost no facts. The Buzbee press conference is what it is, same with the pleadings...you can say whatever you want, but what can you prove. If they had smoking gun evidence, this case would've settled before the press conference. Spurs may have something on Cauthen. We'll have to wait and see.

[cd98]

No jail time for Bridges. Suspension probable however.

Let that burn for the resident legal experts in this thread.

Very unlikely a criminal case against Primo goes anywhere. And absent that, I don't see how the league can get involved. It would take multiple people in Bexar County coming forward before I would worry about anything criminal happening in Texas. This is a civil litigation case as far as risk goes, but I just don't see criminal charges going anywhere given his local celebrity and the limited exposure to one person. It is a higher standard to prove criminal conduct too. They can file a complaint, but that doesn't mean the prosecutor will take up the case.

[playbonner15]

18yr old kid exposes his peepee, Spurs franchise gets destroyed? LMAO

[The Truth #6]

So far all we have from Primo's camp is:

1 - he suffered trauma as a child, and is dealing with it
2 - she's a racist

Not exactly a strong start to their defense.

If she's got a paper trail on what/when she told Wright, that fucker needs to be unemployed by end of day.

Not totally true. They assert that he has terrible luck with gym shorts.

[playbonner15]

Very unlikely a criminal case against Primo goes anywhere. And absent that, I don't see how the league can get involved. It would take multiple people in Bexar County coming forward before I would worry about anything criminal happening in Texas. This is a civil litigation case as far as risk goes, but I just don't see criminal charges going anywhere given his local celebrity and the limited exposure to one person. It is a higher standard to prove criminal conduct too. They can file a complaint, but that doesn't mean the prosecutor will take up the case.
Thank you for this, good to see some level-headed takes on this thread............

[MultiTroll]

No jail time for Bridges. Suspension probable however.

Let that burn for the resident legal experts in this thread.

[scott]

Here is the timeline alleged in the complaint:



December 2021: Primo exposes himself to Dr Cauthen
January 2022: Dr Cauthen requests a meeting with Brian Wright and "makes clear" the purpose of the meeting [1]
March 21, 2022: Meeting with Brian Wright takes place - Wright says he will develop a plan to deal with this and meet with Primo and his agent
Sometime between March 21 and April 13, 2022: Dr Cauthen meets with Primo again and Primo again exposes himself [2]. Primo requests at least one other session with Cauthen but she avoids it
April 13, 2022: Cauthen and Wright meet again. Cauthen expresses frustration that nothing has been done yet. Wright asks her for a recommendation on what should be done. She says she doesn't know, the team should figure it out. Wright tells her that Spurs legal will be in touch
May 2022: Cauthen meets multiple times with Spurs Legal. Spurs legal tell her an investigation will take place, and that she should avoid contact with Primo [3].
A week later (sometime in May): Cauthen requests an update and a copy of the investigation [4]. Spurs legal tells her that Primo will continue to participate in team activities and that Cauthen shouldn't feel uncomfortable because she has seen Primo repeatedly in the past [5], but since she is uncomfortable she should work from home. Cauthen felt this was an act of retaliation against her for raising the complaint [6]
Sometime in June, 2022: Cauthen meets with Spurs Legal and HR again, who say they have spoken to Primo. As a result of that discussion, they suggested a facilitated conversation with Primo and Cauthen to shed light on why Primo is exposing himself [7]. Cauthen refuses.
The following week, presumably June, 2022: Cauthen and Spurs Legal and HR meet again. The tell Cauthen that they are going to put a corrective process in place for these types of incidents [8]. They also tell her they have informed Coach Pop of this [9]. They inquire whether Cauthen has retained legal counsel [10] and tell her to avoid communication with Primo until further notice [11]
June 16, 2022: Spurs hold a "Respect in the Workplace" training. Some staff members joke during the training. Cauthen feels this is not being taken seriously and there would be no accountability.
July 2022: Cauthen meets with Spurs Legal again. She expresses frustration at the lack of action by the Spurs. They tell her not to travel with the team to Las Vegas [12]. They again ask if she has retained legal counsel.
August 31: Cauthen's contract expires and it is not renewed [13]


My thoughts to the timeline above, matching with the footnotes:

[1] What does "Make Clear" the purpose mean? Did she say "I want to discuss concerning issues with Josh"? Or "I need to discuss that Josh has been showing me his penis"? This matters, because the degree to which she "made clear" the issue is important to Brian Wright's urgent response to a meeting request.
[2] Why did she meet with Primo again after the meeting with Wright? At who's urging did this meeting take place? The Spurs? Primo?
[3] Proper protocol here - Spurs were correct in telling her to avoid contact with Primo, though Wright probably should have told her this in the March meeting
[4] It would never be appropriate for the accuser to receive a copy of the investigation report. She should know this. Complaint doesn't make clear if investigation ever occurred (she should know, as she would have been interviewed by the party conducting the investigation)
[5] Huh? If true, totally bizarre thing for Spurs Legal to say. Maybe she remembers this incorrectly? Who knows. Weird.
[6] Spurs telling her she can work from home is an accommodation to her feeling uncomfortable, but she construed it as retaliation. Retaliation is a serious thing here... that I think is the bigger accusation than the idea of "not doing enough".
[7] If it went down this way, the Spurs would have been admitting that he exposed himself, which would make this request awkward and inappropriate. However, that may be the way the plaintiff attorney is wording it. I doubt the Spurs said "let's meet to see why he is exposing himself" but rather "we talked to Josh... why don't we all talk"?
[8] Spurs should have had this in place before. This is problematic.
[9] Actually not sure why any of this is relevant unless it is to later add Pop as a party to the suit if discovery shows that Pop was, in fact, informed
[10] This suggest Spurs are worried at this point
[11] This is appropriate
[12] This would seem appropriate considering there are issues with a player exposing himself to her. She construes this as retaliation
[13] Spurs do not renew. They have the right to not renew her contract for any reason. But, she views that as retaliation. If it was in retaliation, that is bad.

[cd98]

Yes retaliation could be a problem and in the lawsuit they can get discovery of emails. Hope that people drafting the emails on this could foresee that it could turn into a lawsuit. I've seen cases go to hell because of careless emails on sensitive subjects. Heck, it's the reason Gruden got fired and it is causing the Washington Football team all kinds of headaches.

[timvp]

Here is the timeline alleged in the complaint:



December 2021: Primo exposes himself to Dr Cauthen
January 2022: Dr Cauthen requests a meeting with Brian Wright and "makes clear" the purpose of the meeting [1]
March 21, 2022: Meeting with Brian Wright takes place - Wright says he will develop a plan to deal with this and meet with Primo and his agent
Sometime between March 21 and April 13, 2022: Dr Cauthen meets with Primo again and Primo again exposes himself [2]. Primo requests at least one other session with Cauthen but she avoids it
April 13, 2022: Cauthen and Wright meet again. Cauthen expresses frustration that nothing has been done yet. Wright asks her for a recommendation on what should be done. She says she doesn't know, the team should figure it out. Wright tells her that Spurs legal will be in touch
May 2022: Cauthen meets multiple times with Spurs Legal. Spurs legal tell her an investigation will take place, and that she should avoid contact with Primo [3].
A week later (sometime in May): Cauthen requests an update and a copy of the investigation [4]. Spurs legal tells her that Primo will continue to participate in team activities and that Cauthen shouldn't feel uncomfortable because she has seen Primo repeatedly in the past [5], but since she is uncomfortable she should work from home. Cauthen felt this was an act of retaliation against her for raising the complaint [6]
Sometime in June, 2022: Cauthen meets with Spurs Legal and HR again, who say they have spoken to Primo. As a result of that discussion, they suggested a facilitated conversation with Primo and Cauthen to shed light on why Primo is exposing himself [7]. Cauthen refuses.
The following week, presumably June, 2022: Cauthen and Spurs Legal and HR meet again. The tell Cauthen that they are going to put a corrective process in place for these types of incidents [8]. They also tell her they have informed Coach Pop of this [9]. They inquire whether Cauthen has retained legal counsel [10] and tell her to avoid communication with Primo until further notice [11]
June 16, 2022: Spurs hold a "Respect in the Workplace" training. Some staff members joke during the training. Cauthen feels this is not being taken seriously and there would be no accountability.
July 2022: Cauthen meets with Spurs Legal again. She expresses frustration at the lack of action by the Spurs. They tell her not to travel with the team to Las Vegas [12]. They again ask if she has retained legal counsel.
August 31: Cauthen's contract expires and it is not renewed [13]


My thoughts to the timeline above, matching with the footnotes:

[1] What does "Make Clear" the purpose mean? Did she say "I want to discuss concerning issues with Josh"? Or "I need to discuss that Josh has been showing me his penis"? This matters, because the degree to which she "made clear" the issue is important to Brian Wright's urgent response to a meeting request.
[2] Why did she meet with Primo again after the meeting with Wright? At who's urging did this meeting take place? The Spurs? Primo?
[3] Proper protocol here - Spurs were correct in telling her to avoid contact with Primo, though Wright probably should have told her this in the March meeting
[4] It would never be appropriate for the accuser to receive a copy of the investigation report. She should know this. Complaint doesn't make clear if investigation ever occurred (she should know, as she would have been interviewed by the party conducting the investigation)
[5] Huh? If true, totally bizarre thing for Spurs Legal to say. Maybe she remembers this incorrectly? Who knows. Weird.
[6] Spurs telling her she can work from home is an accommodation to her feeling uncomfortable, but she construed it as retaliation. Retaliation is a serious thing here... that I think is the bigger accusation than the idea of "not doing enough".
[7] If it went down this way, the Spurs would have been admitting that he exposed himself, which would make this request awkward and inappropriate. However, that may be the way the plaintiff attorney is wording it. I doubt the Spurs said "let's meet to see why he is exposing himself" but rather "we talked to Josh... why don't we all talk"?
[8] Spurs should have had this in place before. This is problematic.
[9] Actually not sure why any of this is relevant unless it is to later add Pop as a party to the suit if discovery shows that Pop was, in fact, informed
[10] This suggest Spurs are worried at this point
[11] This is appropriate
[12] This would seem appropriate considering there are issues with a player exposing himself to her. She construes this as retaliation
[13] Spurs do not renew. They have the right to not renew her contract for any reason. But, she views that as retaliation. If it was in retaliation, that is bad.

Awesome work putting it together like that. Thanks. :tu

Few added thoughts:

-It's definitely not a good look if the Spurs didn't have protocols in place to handle a situation like this. That'd be unacceptable if it's true.

-The Buzbee timeline is pretty tight ... so where could these nine flashing incidents fit in? It doesn't look like there'd be an opportunity for nine separate incidents. Maybe the "nine" is in reference to nine separate flashes total in their 2/3/4 meetings.

-It's really strange that both Wright and the Spurs lawyers responded to her account by saying she should talk to Primo again. I could understand Wright doing that by mistake but there must have been some sort of misunderstanding for the lawyers to also recommend that, right?

-I know that it's common for psychologists to refer their patients to another mental health professional if something like this happens -- usually after the first occurrence. Did the Spurs stop her from referring Primo elsewhere? Did she not refer him elsewhere?

All around it's just a sad situation, tbh. Hopefully everyone involved finds peace.

[baseline bum]

with our luck, the spurs punishment will be the loss of a 2023 FRP

To the Lakers

[Slippy]

In light of this from January 2022. Wtf were the spurs thinking in the direction they took in trading and letting go of players since.

Surely they didnt think the problem would just cure it self. A serial flasher and the spurs thought at first this is just a HR situation. Lol

[JeffDuncan]

…
[1] What does "Make Clear" the purpose mean? Did she say "I want to discuss concerning issues with Josh"? Or "I need to discuss that Josh has been showing me his penis"? This matters, because the degree to which she "made clear" the issue is important to Brian Wright's urgent response to a meeting request. …



No, it doesn’t matter. She was a professional hired by the Spurs to, among other things, keep them informed about their players. Her mere indication that it was important should have been enough to get their prompt attention.



[2] Why did she meet with Primo again after the meeting with Wright? …



Because Wright said he’d deal with it. She then supposed he had, of course. It turned out, not so, however.


… At who's urging did this meeting take place? ,,,



Urging?? The Spurs must have arranged another Primo appointment with her. They were paying.



[4] It would never be appropriate for the accuser to receive a copy of the investigation report. …



She was not an “accuser.” She was a professional hired by the Spurs to work with their players. She naturally took it that the investigation was relevant to her work.

[KobesAchilles]

I remember making a post about how we could turn into the Sacramento Kings and it wouldn’t take very long for it to happen. Pop leaves and we have no replacement. We have no good assistant coaches anymore. No star player. Our ownership is bad and my biggest argument was Wright just isn’t a good GM. I got a lot of push back here. BUT

Its not looking good for our organization and we are looking more and more like we are heading in a downward spiral. Wright has to go. His acknowledgment of Primos concerns is the easiest thing to fact check. There’s zero chance Buzbee includes that in his lawsuit if he couldn’t verify a meeting with his client. Wright knew. Period. Hopefully him gone and a couple million dollars solves the issue and we just nip it in the bud. Seriously don’t let Brian Wright be the reason why this is dragged on and putting our franchise more and more into the mud. Just drop him and pay her off

[Kori Ellis]

Here is the timeline alleged in the complaint:



December 2021: Primo exposes himself to Dr Cauthen
January 2022: Dr Cauthen requests a meeting with Brian Wright and "makes clear" the purpose of the meeting [1]
March 21, 2022: Meeting with Brian Wright takes place - Wright says he will develop a plan to deal with this and meet with Primo and his agent
Sometime between March 21 and April 13, 2022: Dr Cauthen meets with Primo again and Primo again exposes himself [2]. Primo requests at least one other session with Cauthen but she avoids it
April 13, 2022: Cauthen and Wright meet again. Cauthen expresses frustration that nothing has been done yet. Wright asks her for a recommendation on what should be done. She says she doesn't know, the team should figure it out. Wright tells her that Spurs legal will be in touch
May 2022: Cauthen meets multiple times with Spurs Legal. Spurs legal tell her an investigation will take place, and that she should avoid contact with Primo [3].
A week later (sometime in May): Cauthen requests an update and a copy of the investigation [4]. Spurs legal tells her that Primo will continue to participate in team activities and that Cauthen shouldn't feel uncomfortable because she has seen Primo repeatedly in the past [5], but since she is uncomfortable she should work from home. Cauthen felt this was an act of retaliation against her for raising the complaint [6]
Sometime in June, 2022: Cauthen meets with Spurs Legal and HR again, who say they have spoken to Primo. As a result of that discussion, they suggested a facilitated conversation with Primo and Cauthen to shed light on why Primo is exposing himself [7]. Cauthen refuses.
The following week, presumably June, 2022: Cauthen and Spurs Legal and HR meet again. The tell Cauthen that they are going to put a corrective process in place for these types of incidents [8]. They also tell her they have informed Coach Pop of this [9]. They inquire whether Cauthen has retained legal counsel [10] and tell her to avoid communication with Primo until further notice [11]
June 16, 2022: Spurs hold a "Respect in the Workplace" training. Some staff members joke during the training. Cauthen feels this is not being taken seriously and there would be no accountability.
July 2022: Cauthen meets with Spurs Legal again. She expresses frustration at the lack of action by the Spurs. They tell her not to travel with the team to Las Vegas [12]. They again ask if she has retained legal counsel.
August 31: Cauthen's contract expires and it is not renewed [13]


My thoughts to the timeline above, matching with the footnotes:

[1] What does "Make Clear" the purpose mean? Did she say "I want to discuss concerning issues with Josh"? Or "I need to discuss that Josh has been showing me his penis"? This matters, because the degree to which she "made clear" the issue is important to Brian Wright's urgent response to a meeting request.
[2] Why did she meet with Primo again after the meeting with Wright? At who's urging did this meeting take place? The Spurs? Primo?
[3] Proper protocol here - Spurs were correct in telling her to avoid contact with Primo, though Wright probably should have told her this in the March meeting
[4] It would never be appropriate for the accuser to receive a copy of the investigation report. She should know this. Complaint doesn't make clear if investigation ever occurred (she should know, as she would have been interviewed by the party conducting the investigation)
[5] Huh? If true, totally bizarre thing for Spurs Legal to say. Maybe she remembers this incorrectly? Who knows. Weird.
[6] Spurs telling her she can work from home is an accommodation to her feeling uncomfortable, but she construed it as retaliation. Retaliation is a serious thing here... that I think is the bigger accusation than the idea of "not doing enough".
[7] If it went down this way, the Spurs would have been admitting that he exposed himself, which would make this request awkward and inappropriate. However, that may be the way the plaintiff attorney is wording it. I doubt the Spurs said "let's meet to see why he is exposing himself" but rather "we talked to Josh... why don't we all talk"?
[8] Spurs should have had this in place before. This is problematic.
[9] Actually not sure why any of this is relevant unless it is to later add Pop as a party to the suit if discovery shows that Pop was, in fact, informed
[10] This suggest Spurs are worried at this point
[11] This is appropriate
[12] This would seem appropriate considering there are issues with a player exposing himself to her. She construes this as retaliation
[13] Spurs do not renew. They have the right to not renew her contract for any reason. But, she views that as retaliation. If it was in retaliation, that is bad.

Thanks for the breakdown.

The timeline is interesting. From January to March 21, she allegedly couldn't get a hold of Brian Wright. Was the "exposure" so minor to her that she didn't think she should escalate the issue and talk to someone else? Pop? RC? HR? She was still with the team at that point. I would think that she could tell someone.

Rumors were that he trapped her in office and whipped it out. If that's the case, then she probably should have refused to see him after the first exposure. But we don't know the details. The exposure could be (as his attorney indicated) that he was wearing loose shorts with no underwear while laying on the couch. (I'm not saying I believe that.) But I don't think there could be 9 serious incidents of exposure in this timeline. She would've bowed out and referred him elsewhere before it got to 9.

The case probably hinges on whether the Vegas and Minny "exposures" with other women actually occurred.

[objective]

Miles Bridges just got probation pleading no contest on felony domestic violence

I don't think Primo has to worry about any jail if all he did was hang out his shorts a little or pitch a tent

[The Truth #6]

To me it’s all about what she documented and how the Spurs responded. The Spurs response is where we discover if there is a coverup. Feels like the cliche “coverup is worse than the crime” situation. In that sense it’s two separate issues:

1. Whipped it out vs hanging brains.
2. Who on the Spurs knew and how did they respond.

Unless the Spurs can prove #1, they are sorta stuck with how they did or did not respond.

[K...]

Miles Bridges just got probation pleading no contest on felony domestic violence

I don't think Primo has to worry about any jail if all he did was hang out his shorts a little or pitch a tent

felony probably kills his visa however

[Chinook]

I have a feeling that it's going to be Primo's defense more than that of the Spurs that's going to blow this thing open a bit. We don't know if it's nine or two sessions, and if most of them involved flashing or just a few of them. We got the sense that she had met with Primo before the first incident, as it was described before as "almost the first session". If that can be carried a bit farther, it could be that the psychologist and Primo used to meet frequently. So nine separate visits might actually be a thing. If Primo's story has real truth in it, it could be the case that she either never let on that there was anything wrong or that the exposures happened as a result of the subject matter they spoke about. Part of the HIPAA restraint is likely leaving ambiguity there. It's possible those incidents were somehow in a context that led Primo believe they were appropriate. It's also possible Primo admitted showing his willy to women before. If she knew he was doing that, it could either explain why she feels the Spurs are responsible for other incidents or where Primo might feel like this idea came from in the first place. Not saying I believe Primo is innocent -- he's been giving off major creeper vibes since this whole thing started -- but I do think his defense is going to try to hit at holes in the story that her team didn't do a very great job at shoring up. People are mainly only looking at this issue in terms of gender dynamics. But there are other lenses to view this interaction. One of the main methods of attack I'm assuming his defense will have is to make us consider some of those other lenses.

[scott]

No, it doesn’t matter. She was a professional hired by the Spurs to, among other things, keep them informed about their players. Her mere indication that it was important should have been enough to get their prompt attention.

It matters quite a bit. If the message was "I want to talk to you about my experience with Primo" without any more context, it would be natural for Wright to have to postpone this meeting. At the time he was a prospect spending time between the G-league and some occasional minutes with the big club. Wright could have interpreted this request as some update on blockers to his performance, which is not really that urgent to the GM. On the other hand, if she said "I need to urgently speak to you about some troubling issues with Josh" - then that is another matter.





Because Wright said he’d deal with it. She then supposed he had, of course. It turned out, not so, however.

If she felt assaulted, then being told "it will be dealt with" isn't really a good assurance before heading back into another meeting. She certainly felt compelled to avoid the meeting after that, so why didn't she for this meeting? This is important context because it lends insight as to the discussion she had with Wright. Was she assured that it was handled and wouldn't happen again? Was her mindset perhaps that maybe she mischaracterized the first flashing, but after the next time there was no mistaking it? These things matter in investigations/cases like these.





Urging?? The Spurs must have arranged another Primo appointment with her. They were paying.

"The Spurs must have...." no they mustn't. They might have. The complaint states that the next meeting that she avoided was at the request of Primo. Was this meeting also at his request? This matters, because if someone of knowledge of the incident scheduled the meeting... that is very bad. But maybe the Spurs did schedule it, but someone who doesn't know anything about this confidential matter set it up... all these things matter.





She was not an “accuser.” She was a professional hired by the Spurs to work with their players. She naturally took it that the investigation was relevant to her work.

She is an accuser. She may feel that the investigation was relevant to her work... but she was a party to the investigation, which means she doesn't get a copy. Period.

[Trill Clinton]

Has Stak5 made a statement yet?

[DPG21920]

Has Stak5 made a statement yet?

“I wasn’t going to say anything, because Pop is my guy, but Pop cut me because I spoke up about something that happened he wanted covered up. Dont believe this good guy stuff over in SA, Im the good guy and they kicked me out because of that”

[Spurs Homer]

Brian Wright needs to go ASAP - he fucked up.

Dr./victim - "made clear" is lawyer speak for= she told wright what primo did - she described the crime explicitly -

Wright dicked around for MONTHS after a crime was reported to him - he needs to go yesterday unless the spurs want to completely destroy the franchise from Pop on down.

The law will look at what actions/corrections were made by the franchise once the crime was reported.
Wright already dropped the ball.

Spurs franchise now knows that the victim has alerted the public on how she was a victim reporting a crime and the Spurs continued to delay delay delay any corrective action.

Next: how much worse do the spurs want to look in the eyes of the law?

Pop might also have to go - if it is true that he was advised of the crime.
Fuck - even if he wants to hide behind the "no one told me" defense -

He should also retire now as this was all under his watch.

NBA will re-route wembenyana to another team not hiding crimes.

Bad day for the once proud spurs franchise.

[MultiTroll]

Pop is your guy but you're going to go ahead and backstab him.

Go kill yourself as regards you media presents Stack.

[DPG21920]

Pop is your guy but you're going to go ahead and backstab him.

Go kill yourself as regards you media presents Stack.

It was a fake quote I made up lol

[MultiTroll]

It was a fake quote I made up lol
Good because it sounds like something that Nimrod would say.

Are he and Barnes still doing there 2 Super Poseurs show?

[Slippy]

Lets pretend Brian Wright kept the news of Primo behind the excuse its with HR.

For me the concerning part is all the moves since. Trade Dwhite. Trade Dejounte. Let Lonnie go. These are guys all played in front of Primo. Then he picks up the extra year just recently and then quickly waives him. Through RC saying best interests of the team?..

If he was the only one that was privvy to the Primo issue then it suggests he was fully backing Primo no matter what it seems.

Good way to fuck up franchise culture.

[JeffDuncan]

It matters quite a bit. …



As you go on to say, the phrasing matters. Very true. She’d have to indicate it was important. But when she did that, Wright was obligated to see her promptly. He did not (according to the only timeline we’ve seen.)

Compare:

A team physician notifies Wright that he - or she - needs to see Wright on a serious matter about one of the players. Would Wright just sit on his hands for weeks?

A team lawyer notifies Wright, ditto. Again, would Wright just sit on his hands?

The team psychologist notifies Wright, etc., and lo and behold he does exactly that. Nothing, for a long time. Why?



If she felt assaulted, then being told "it will be dealt with" isn't really a good assurance before heading back into another meeting. …



Wright said he’d deal with it. You have to take people at their word. Should she have had some reason, at that time, to think Wright’s word was no good? What should she have known that would have told her that Wright couldn’t, or wouldn’t, follow through on what he said?

That first meeting she sought with Wright was not to inform him she felt assaulted, it was to inform him - in her professional capacity with the Spurs - that there was a serious behavioral problem with one of the players.

If the problem was just that she felt assaulted she would have called the cops. Maybe she should have.

You’re confusing then and now.



She certainly felt compelled to avoid the meeting after that, so why didn't she for this meeting? …



She was relying on Wright to do what he said. Turned out, he did not. He did not deal with it.



She is an accuser. …



You’re confusing then and now. That’s a serious mistake. No sir, she was not an “accuser.” She was a highly qualified professional retained by the Spurs to provide psychological services. She was an INSIDER at the time we’re talking about, as much of an insider as any physician or lawyer the Spurs had on retainer.


... but she was a party to the investigation, …



You are mistaken. You’re completely ignoring her status with the Spurs, and her obligations to the Spurs. And the Spurs’ obligations to her, for that matter.

I guess you don’t realize it, but what you’re asserting is that her employment as the team psychologist was just for show. If that should happen to be true it makes the Spurs look even worse.

[Desert Spur]

This seems weird. Exposing himself in a therapy session. It’s just odd and she kept meeting him. Even more strange.

Obviously if you’re exposing yourself you got issues so maybe she inadvertently prompted him or triggered him.

Something seems kinda fishy here.

People can deliberately draw attention themselves (and play mind games) without appearing to be acting inappropriately. This may not be the best reference, but Sharon Stone's famous scene in Basic Instinct comes to mind. Perhaps he gets some sort of gratification out of not wearing underwear with shorts and displaying his prized possession, all while trying to appear innocent.

[itzsoweezee]

Here is the timeline alleged in the complaint:



December 2021: Primo exposes himself to Dr Cauthen
January 2022: Dr Cauthen requests a meeting with Brian Wright and "makes clear" the purpose of the meeting [1]
March 21, 2022: Meeting with Brian Wright takes place - Wright says he will develop a plan to deal with this and meet with Primo and his agent
Sometime between March 21 and April 13, 2022: Dr Cauthen meets with Primo again and Primo again exposes himself [2]. Primo requests at least one other session with Cauthen but she avoids it
April 13, 2022: Cauthen and Wright meet again. Cauthen expresses frustration that nothing has been done yet. Wright asks her for a recommendation on what should be done. She says she doesn't know, the team should figure it out. Wright tells her that Spurs legal will be in touch
May 2022: Cauthen meets multiple times with Spurs Legal. Spurs legal tell her an investigation will take place, and that she should avoid contact with Primo [3].
A week later (sometime in May): Cauthen requests an update and a copy of the investigation [4]. Spurs legal tells her that Primo will continue to participate in team activities and that Cauthen shouldn't feel uncomfortable because she has seen Primo repeatedly in the past [5], but since she is uncomfortable she should work from home. Cauthen felt this was an act of retaliation against her for raising the complaint [6]
Sometime in June, 2022: Cauthen meets with Spurs Legal and HR again, who say they have spoken to Primo. As a result of that discussion, they suggested a facilitated conversation with Primo and Cauthen to shed light on why Primo is exposing himself [7]. Cauthen refuses.
The following week, presumably June, 2022: Cauthen and Spurs Legal and HR meet again. The tell Cauthen that they are going to put a corrective process in place for these types of incidents [8]. They also tell her they have informed Coach Pop of this [9]. They inquire whether Cauthen has retained legal counsel [10] and tell her to avoid communication with Primo until further notice [11]
June 16, 2022: Spurs hold a "Respect in the Workplace" training. Some staff members joke during the training. Cauthen feels this is not being taken seriously and there would be no accountability.
July 2022: Cauthen meets with Spurs Legal again. She expresses frustration at the lack of action by the Spurs. They tell her not to travel with the team to Las Vegas [12]. They again ask if she has retained legal counsel.
August 31: Cauthen's contract expires and it is not renewed [13]


My thoughts to the timeline above, matching with the footnotes:

[1] What does "Make Clear" the purpose mean? Did she say "I want to discuss concerning issues with Josh"? Or "I need to discuss that Josh has been showing me his penis"? This matters, because the degree to which she "made clear" the issue is important to Brian Wright's urgent response to a meeting request.
[2] Why did she meet with Primo again after the meeting with Wright? At who's urging did this meeting take place? The Spurs? Primo?
[3] Proper protocol here - Spurs were correct in telling her to avoid contact with Primo, though Wright probably should have told her this in the March meeting
[4] It would never be appropriate for the accuser to receive a copy of the investigation report. She should know this. Complaint doesn't make clear if investigation ever occurred (she should know, as she would have been interviewed by the party conducting the investigation)
[5] Huh? If true, totally bizarre thing for Spurs Legal to say. Maybe she remembers this incorrectly? Who knows. Weird.
[6] Spurs telling her she can work from home is an accommodation to her feeling uncomfortable, but she construed it as retaliation. Retaliation is a serious thing here... that I think is the bigger accusation than the idea of "not doing enough".
[7] If it went down this way, the Spurs would have been admitting that he exposed himself, which would make this request awkward and inappropriate. However, that may be the way the plaintiff attorney is wording it. I doubt the Spurs said "let's meet to see why he is exposing himself" but rather "we talked to Josh... why don't we all talk"?
[8] Spurs should have had this in place before. This is problematic.
[9] Actually not sure why any of this is relevant unless it is to later add Pop as a party to the suit if discovery shows that Pop was, in fact, informed
[10] This suggest Spurs are worried at this point
[11] This is appropriate
[12] This would seem appropriate considering there are issues with a player exposing himself to her. She construes this as retaliation
[13] Spurs do not renew. They have the right to not renew her contract for any reason. But, she views that as retaliation. If it was in retaliation, that is bad.

Wow, the Spurs have have some really shitty lawyers. If this is true, they deserve to get sued and lose

[dbestpro]

Dr. Hillary Cauthen as a psychologist would see Primo as a patient. The public discussion of what may be deemed as a psychological issue makes it medical which is a direct violation of HIPAA. She could face charges.

[MI21]

Here is the timeline alleged in the complaint:



December 2021: Primo exposes himself to Dr Cauthen
January 2022: Dr Cauthen requests a meeting with Brian Wright and "makes clear" the purpose of the meeting [1]
March 21, 2022: Meeting with Brian Wright takes place - Wright says he will develop a plan to deal with this and meet with Primo and his agent
Sometime between March 21 and April 13, 2022: Dr Cauthen meets with Primo again and Primo again exposes himself [2]. Primo requests at least one other session with Cauthen but she avoids it
April 13, 2022: Cauthen and Wright meet again. Cauthen expresses frustration that nothing has been done yet. Wright asks her for a recommendation on what should be done. She says she doesn't know, the team should figure it out. Wright tells her that Spurs legal will be in touch
May 2022: Cauthen meets multiple times with Spurs Legal. Spurs legal tell her an investigation will take place, and that she should avoid contact with Primo [3].
A week later (sometime in May): Cauthen requests an update and a copy of the investigation [4]. Spurs legal tells her that Primo will continue to participate in team activities and that Cauthen shouldn't feel uncomfortable because she has seen Primo repeatedly in the past [5], but since she is uncomfortable she should work from home. Cauthen felt this was an act of retaliation against her for raising the complaint [6]
Sometime in June, 2022: Cauthen meets with Spurs Legal and HR again, who say they have spoken to Primo. As a result of that discussion, they suggested a facilitated conversation with Primo and Cauthen to shed light on why Primo is exposing himself [7]. Cauthen refuses.
The following week, presumably June, 2022: Cauthen and Spurs Legal and HR meet again. The tell Cauthen that they are going to put a corrective process in place for these types of incidents [8]. They also tell her they have informed Coach Pop of this [9]. They inquire whether Cauthen has retained legal counsel [10] and tell her to avoid communication with Primo until further notice [11]
June 16, 2022: Spurs hold a "Respect in the Workplace" training. Some staff members joke during the training. Cauthen feels this is not being taken seriously and there would be no accountability.
July 2022: Cauthen meets with Spurs Legal again. She expresses frustration at the lack of action by the Spurs. They tell her not to travel with the team to Las Vegas [12]. They again ask if she has retained legal counsel.
August 31: Cauthen's contract expires and it is not renewed [13]


My thoughts to the timeline above, matching with the footnotes:

[1] What does "Make Clear" the purpose mean? Did she say "I want to discuss concerning issues with Josh"? Or "I need to discuss that Josh has been showing me his penis"? This matters, because the degree to which she "made clear" the issue is important to Brian Wright's urgent response to a meeting request.
[2] Why did she meet with Primo again after the meeting with Wright? At who's urging did this meeting take place? The Spurs? Primo?
[3] Proper protocol here - Spurs were correct in telling her to avoid contact with Primo, though Wright probably should have told her this in the March meeting
[4] It would never be appropriate for the accuser to receive a copy of the investigation report. She should know this. Complaint doesn't make clear if investigation ever occurred (she should know, as she would have been interviewed by the party conducting the investigation)
[5] Huh? If true, totally bizarre thing for Spurs Legal to say. Maybe she remembers this incorrectly? Who knows. Weird.
[6] Spurs telling her she can work from home is an accommodation to her feeling uncomfortable, but she construed it as retaliation. Retaliation is a serious thing here... that I think is the bigger accusation than the idea of "not doing enough".
[7] If it went down this way, the Spurs would have been admitting that he exposed himself, which would make this request awkward and inappropriate. However, that may be the way the plaintiff attorney is wording it. I doubt the Spurs said "let's meet to see why he is exposing himself" but rather "we talked to Josh... why don't we all talk"?
[8] Spurs should have had this in place before. This is problematic.
[9] Actually not sure why any of this is relevant unless it is to later add Pop as a party to the suit if discovery shows that Pop was, in fact, informed
[10] This suggest Spurs are worried at this point
[11] This is appropriate
[12] This would seem appropriate considering there are issues with a player exposing himself to her. She construes this as retaliation
[13] Spurs do not renew. They have the right to not renew her contract for any reason. But, she views that as retaliation. If it was in retaliation, that is bad.

Thank you for this, I really appreciate the thorough breakdown. I will avoid all further media on this and basically follow your posts, provided you keep making them, :lol

[mystargtr34]

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[scott]

As you go on to say, the phrasing matters. Very true. She’d have to indicate it was important. But when she did that, Wright was obligated to see her promptly. He did not (according to the only timeline we’ve seen.)

Compare:

A team physician notifies Wright that he - or she - needs to see Wright on a serious matter about one of the players. Would Wright just sit on his hands for weeks?

A team lawyer notifies Wright, ditto. Again, would Wright just sit on his hands?

The team psychologist notifies Wright, etc., and lo and behold he does exactly that. Nothing, for a long time. Why?




Wright said he’d deal with it. You have to take people at their word. Should she have had some reason, at that time, to think Wright’s word was no good? What should she have known that would have told her that Wright couldn’t, or wouldn’t, follow through on what he said?

That first meeting she sought with Wright was not to inform him she felt assaulted, it was to inform him - in her professional capacity with the Spurs - that there was a serious behavioral problem with one of the players.

If the problem was just that she felt assaulted she would have called the cops. Maybe she should have.

You’re confusing then and now.




She was relying on Wright to do what he said. Turned out, he did not. He did not deal with it.




You’re confusing then and now. That’s a serious mistake. No sir, she was not an “accuser.” She was a highly qualified professional retained by the Spurs to provide psychological services. She was an INSIDER at the time we’re talking about, as much of an insider as any physician or lawyer the Spurs had on retainer.




You are mistaken. You’re completely ignoring her status with the Spurs, and her obligations to the Spurs. And the Spurs’ obligations to her, for that matter.

I guess you don’t realize it, but what you’re asserting is that her employment as the team psychologist was just for show. If that should happen to be true it makes the Spurs look even worse.

1) Most of everything you just wrote is your speculation
2) Being the team psychologist, even if she wasn’t involved in the matter, still wouldn’t make her privy to the investigation report. Investigations aren’t meant to result in FBI Profiles on the suspect… they are only meant to determine whether or not something happened. There would be zero reason for the team psychologist to be informed as to the results of an investigation, especially not to an event she was a party to. Investigation reports are typically shared with as few people as possible, and usually only those who need to make a decision on disciplinary action.

[blizz]

All of you defending this kid, what are you going to say when others come out?

[MarCowMar]

These details definitely reveal some new angles to the matter.

It's possible this may not fall into the generic harassment bucket if part of what Primo was discussing in the meetings was childhood sexual abuse. If you're working with a person's mental health you sorta have to expect it could manifest in unexpected ways.

There's a bit of details on their code of ethics here. Section "10.10 Terminating Therapy" indicates she probably should have done so after that first incident if it was severe enough.

https://www.apa.org/ethics/code

Here is another therapists story that is similar.

https://societyforpsychotherapy.org/ethical-considerations-when-a-client-crosses-sexual-boundaries-my-experience-as-a-student-therapist/

TLDR: she presses charges.

If Primo assaulted her or even just "misbehaved" there should have been a massive shift in treatment immediately and Wright and the Spurs should have been a part of that. If they had coordinated and pressed charges it could have been a class B misdemeanor and he could have paid his dues, learned from it and moved on. (up to 180 days in county jail, and/or up to $2,000 in fines.)

https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-21-08.html

Instead, the lawyers get to fight it out for cash.

[Desert Spur]

We talk about 9 visits that exposure happened, but we do not know the situation or the pressure she was under to tolerate the behavior to keep her job. She did say that she valued the job and it was a great opportunity for her. Maybe that allowed her to give Primo multiple opportunities to change. It's not a slam dunk that she tolerated it happening 9 times so she has no room to complain. And if she did complain and then they retaliated by cutting her time and not re-signing her to a new contract, then that is a can of worms too.


Was wondering if the '9 times' included multiple exposures in a single meeting.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

I remember making a post about how we could turn into the Sacramento Kings and it wouldn’t take very long for it to happen. Pop leaves and we have no replacement. We have no good assistant coaches anymore. No star player. Our ownership is bad and my biggest argument was Wright just isn’t a good GM. I got a lot of push back here. BUT

Its not looking good for our organization and we are looking more and more like we are heading in a downward spiral. Wright has to go. His acknowledgment of Primos concerns is the easiest thing to fact check. There’s zero chance Buzbee includes that in his lawsuit if he couldn’t verify a meeting with his client. Wright knew. Period. Hopefully him gone and a couple million dollars solves the issue and we just nip it in the bud. Seriously don’t let Brian Wright be the reason why this is dragged on and putting our franchise more and more into the mud. Just drop him and pay her off
So that's great.
Kings have had five top-5 draft picks since 2010, and as you know, a high pick is a guarantee of a successful future.
We need to act in the same spirit.

[mo7888]

All of you defending this kid, what are you going to say when others come out?

I think you're conflating Defense with simply recognizing that with the verified information we have right now it's he said/she said. There nothing wrong with being slow to judgment and waiting on more facts. If more women turn up and corroborate the behavior it will certainly be more damning.

[spurs10]

This is false. Yeah that lawyer doing this work pro-bono and her wanting no compensation sounds ridiculous. That are going for the throat and millions I'm thinking.

[MannyIsGod]

All of you defending this kid, what are you going to say when others come out?

"all of you"

Who's defended Primo?

[KobesAchilles]

So that's great.
Kings have had five top-5 draft picks since 2010, and as you know, a high pick is a guarantee of a successful future.
We need to act in the same spirit.
I’m not saying we should be the Kings. I was saying that we weren’t far off from being like the Kings. Replace a legendary coach with a bad one. Replace a legendary GM with a bad one. Replace a legendary owner with 2 bad ones. Replace top assistant coaches with bad ones. These things add up to bad organizational structure and leads to us turning into the Kings

[MannyIsGod]

Here is the timeline alleged in the complaint:



December 2021: Primo exposes himself to Dr Cauthen
January 2022: Dr Cauthen requests a meeting with Brian Wright and "makes clear" the purpose of the meeting [1]
March 21, 2022: Meeting with Brian Wright takes place - Wright says he will develop a plan to deal with this and meet with Primo and his agent
Sometime between March 21 and April 13, 2022: Dr Cauthen meets with Primo again and Primo again exposes himself [2]. Primo requests at least one other session with Cauthen but she avoids it
April 13, 2022: Cauthen and Wright meet again. Cauthen expresses frustration that nothing has been done yet. Wright asks her for a recommendation on what should be done. She says she doesn't know, the team should figure it out. Wright tells her that Spurs legal will be in touch
May 2022: Cauthen meets multiple times with Spurs Legal. Spurs legal tell her an investigation will take place, and that she should avoid contact with Primo [3].
A week later (sometime in May): Cauthen requests an update and a copy of the investigation [4]. Spurs legal tells her that Primo will continue to participate in team activities and that Cauthen shouldn't feel uncomfortable because she has seen Primo repeatedly in the past [5], but since she is uncomfortable she should work from home. Cauthen felt this was an act of retaliation against her for raising the complaint [6]
Sometime in June, 2022: Cauthen meets with Spurs Legal and HR again, who say they have spoken to Primo. As a result of that discussion, they suggested a facilitated conversation with Primo and Cauthen to shed light on why Primo is exposing himself [7]. Cauthen refuses.
The following week, presumably June, 2022: Cauthen and Spurs Legal and HR meet again. The tell Cauthen that they are going to put a corrective process in place for these types of incidents [8]. They also tell her they have informed Coach Pop of this [9]. They inquire whether Cauthen has retained legal counsel [10] and tell her to avoid communication with Primo until further notice [11]
June 16, 2022: Spurs hold a "Respect in the Workplace" training. Some staff members joke during the training. Cauthen feels this is not being taken seriously and there would be no accountability.
July 2022: Cauthen meets with Spurs Legal again. She expresses frustration at the lack of action by the Spurs. They tell her not to travel with the team to Las Vegas [12]. They again ask if she has retained legal counsel.
August 31: Cauthen's contract expires and it is not renewed [13]


My thoughts to the timeline above, matching with the footnotes:

[1] What does "Make Clear" the purpose mean? Did she say "I want to discuss concerning issues with Josh"? Or "I need to discuss that Josh has been showing me his penis"? This matters, because the degree to which she "made clear" the issue is important to Brian Wright's urgent response to a meeting request.
[2] Why did she meet with Primo again after the meeting with Wright? At who's urging did this meeting take place? The Spurs? Primo?
[3] Proper protocol here - Spurs were correct in telling her to avoid contact with Primo, though Wright probably should have told her this in the March meeting
[4] It would never be appropriate for the accuser to receive a copy of the investigation report. She should know this. Complaint doesn't make clear if investigation ever occurred (she should know, as she would have been interviewed by the party conducting the investigation)
[5] Huh? If true, totally bizarre thing for Spurs Legal to say. Maybe she remembers this incorrectly? Who knows. Weird.
[6] Spurs telling her she can work from home is an accommodation to her feeling uncomfortable, but she construed it as retaliation. Retaliation is a serious thing here... that I think is the bigger accusation than the idea of "not doing enough".
[7] If it went down this way, the Spurs would have been admitting that he exposed himself, which would make this request awkward and inappropriate. However, that may be the way the plaintiff attorney is wording it. I doubt the Spurs said "let's meet to see why he is exposing himself" but rather "we talked to Josh... why don't we all talk"?
[8] Spurs should have had this in place before. This is problematic.
[9] Actually not sure why any of this is relevant unless it is to later add Pop as a party to the suit if discovery shows that Pop was, in fact, informed
[10] This suggest Spurs are worried at this point
[11] This is appropriate
[12] This would seem appropriate considering there are issues with a player exposing himself to her. She construes this as retaliation
[13] Spurs do not renew. They have the right to not renew her contract for any reason. But, she views that as retaliation. If it was in retaliation, that is bad.

Made clear is doing a lot of work here. She must have copies of those emails and I agree fully what she said really matter
Honestly, the idea that a "respect in the workplace training" was the right response after an alleged sexual assault is odd to me. That to me, and honestly the wording earlier in the timeline, screams that this was much more subtle. That doesn't mean Primo wasn't doing intentionally, and in fact might be even worse in some ways, but it definitely doesn't strike me like a Louis CK type of situation.

[Maddog]

OK
My three cents worth FWIW

I have a lot of issues with the timeline put out by Buzbee and am very bothered by a healthcare provider suing and filling criminal charges against a former patient (even more so when it's what you are treating him for- now if he locked you in a room or prevented you from leaving maybe...). Also hiring an overt publicity seeking sleazy lawyer (my own bias here)

That said, I suspect the Spurs are in trouble here and maybe specifically Brian Wright. I don't think there was anything malicious, but from what we are seeing it fits a pattern of organizations handling these things poorly. And unfortunately, most organizations don't handle these things well.

Not believing or downplaying the initial complaints (Check). Especially when the accused is someone you think highly of and or the organization is very invested in (check).
Having to scramble when additional incidents from other individuals come forward (check).


Time will tell.
Also a question that has come to mind- why where the Spurs promoting a 19 year old undergoing therapy as a potential long term piece of the franchise?
I don't quite buy the they thought of him as a potential franchise player- but they sure seemed to think of him as a long term piece and if not directly at least indirectly put him out as a face of the franchise.

[BacktoBasics]

All of you defending this kid, what are you going to say when others come out?

I don’t see anyone defending him but clearly there are inconsistencies and reasons to question the actions or lack of by both the doctor and the team.

[CGD]

All of you defending this kid, what are you going to say when others come out?

Not a defense, just trying to unpack what are very serious allegations that will forever change a young man’s future.

Again, I’m still trying to square is the patient/client relationship aspect. Without knowing more about the scope of her duties, it’s hard not to wonder at what point her professional duties to help mental health clients ends and her personal sensibilities start. Of course there is a line, to be super clear, but I suspect it’s a different line than say if this happened to other staff who where not expressly brought in to help with mental health issues, placed in a position of patient-client trust, can authorize medications for illness, etc.

[DJR210]

This seems weird. Exposing himself in a therapy session.

Tony Soprano approves of this behavior

[Ocotillo]

Don Harris really dropped the ball. Buzbee said during the press conference, "it's not about the money." C'mon Don, every plaintiff and attorney in lawsuits says that for the altruistic angle.

[RC_Drunkford]

So that's great.
Kings have had five top-5 draft picks since 2010, and as you know, a high pick is a guarantee of a successful future.
We need to act in the same spirit.

that's one of the dumbest sniffer takes period. The Spurs are not the Kings. Spurs have a better roster, better development program, better coaching staff, more future draft picks.

[XDT76]

Made clear is doing a lot of work here. She must have copies of those emails and I agree fully what she said really matter
Honestly, the idea that a "respect in the workplace training" was the right response after an alleged sexual assault is odd to me. That to me, and honestly the wording earlier in the timeline, screams that this was much more subtle. That doesn't mean Primo wasn't doing intentionally, and in fact might be even worse in some ways, but it definitely doesn't strike me like a Louis CK type of situation.

What has me been pondering is how Primo expose himself, if he pulled down his shorts or whip out his willy then the Spurs is really at fault for not doing more. However if he exposed himself in a more subtle way, it will be difficult for the Spurs to really pin him down. Maybe that is why they wanted to sit down both parties to clarify and make sure things won't happen again. However the Dr doesn't want to meet Primo again and wanted punishment meted to Primo which would be difficult to be on the Spurs without a solid evidence, which would land the Spurs in another different kind of law suit.
Thus the best solution is for Primo and the Dr not to work again any more isn't it.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

that's one of the dumbest sniffer takes period. The Spurs are not the Kings. Spurs have a better roster, better development program, better coaching staff, more future draft picks.
https://media.tenor.com/ihqN6a3iiYEAAAAd/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned.gif

[Joseph Kony]

that's one of the dumbest sniffer takes period. The Spurs are not the Kings. Spurs have a better roster, better development program, better coaching staff, more future draft picks.
the spurs also wouldnt have drafted Bagley over Doncic :lmao

always funny when someone tries to use the extreme example when you can look at the Grizzlies and see how quickly they rebuilt themselves into an elite team

[exstatic]

Miles Bridges just got probation pleading no contest on felony domestic violence

I don't think Primo has to worry about any jail if all he did was hang out his shorts a little or pitch a tent

It’s not just about jail. If he even takes a plea deal, he’ll have to register as a sex offender everywhere he lives for the rest of his life.

[exstatic]

All of you defending this kid, what are you going to say when others come out?

I don’t think the Spurs would have waived him if they didn’t have receipts for Minneapolis.

[The Truth #6]

When they didn’t rehire her they must not have known how bad this was? Same when they resigned Primo. If they had known about all of this, I would think the obvious smart move is to not fire her! If she had a job there likely would be no lawsuit, at least now.

[Drom John]

There's very good analysis above and in other threads.
I have opinions that I have not seen on two issues.

Prep-school allegations.
I generally have a high tolerance of team biases by journalists. Bill Simmons bleeds Celtic green. Kevin Pelton leans toward SuperSonics and Storm, Amin Elhassan despises everything Spurs (ever since Horry hip-checked Nash).
Timeline:
Spurs draft Primo.
Primo is waived with reports of flashing.
Elhassan reports prep school activities about Primo, therefore the Spurs knew pre-draft.
Bullshit. If Elhassan knew of Primo's prep school activities, then Elhassan would have trashed the Spurs immediately after the draft. "Character matters." Therefore Elhassan doesn't matter.

Buzbee does what the client wants. It is plausible that Cauthen wants to change Spurs procedures and money is an afterthought. I can imagine Cauthen taking less money if other things happen, especially an apology.
Why would Buzbee do that?
Buzbee has gotten more #metwo advertising from this press conference than hundreds of Houston tv ads. It is plausible that Buzbee thinks the advertising might be worth not getting the big payout.
If I was a bettor, then my money would be that they are seeking a significant amount of money.

[rjv]

There's very good analysis above and in other threads.
I have opinions that I have not seen on two issues.

Prep-school allegations.
I generally have a high tolerance of team biases by journalists. Bill Simmons bleeds Celtic green. Kevin Pelton leans toward SuperSonics and Storm, Amin Elhassan despises everything Spurs (ever since Horry hip-checked Nash).
Timeline:
Spurs draft Primo.
Primo is waived with reports of flashing.
Elhassan reports prep school activities about Primo, therefore the Spurs knew pre-draft.
Bullshit. If Elhassan knew of Primo's prep school activities, then Elhassan would have trashed the Spurs immediately after the draft. "Character matters." Therefore Elhassan doesn't matter.

Buzbee does what the client wants. It is plausible that Cauthen wants to change Spurs procedures and money is an afterthought. I can imagine Cauthen taking less money if other things happen, especially an apology.
Why would Buzbee do that?
Buzbee has gotten more #metwo advertising from this press conference than hundreds of Houston tv ads. It is plausible that Buzbee thinks the advertising might be worth not getting the big payout.
If I was a bettor, then my money would be that they are seeking a significant amount of money.

isn't elhassan the dude that had porn hub on his smart phone while he was on some post-game broadcast? and got into it with woj on twitter?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

It will be interesting to know if Wright knew, what he knew and who he shared it with. If Primo was his guy maybe he was attempting to protect him. Curious to hear how the Spurs respond.

[Spurs9]

So she was so offended after the first time and had 8 more incidents after? She apparently didnt mind continuing to meet. This whole thing is so weird. Each meeting Primo just flashed her randomly? What is going on? Why are we even having to discuss this crap about one of the highest picks we had in years. Get rid of this GM already. Could have had Danny Ainge, have peewee herman instead.

[RC_Drunkford]

So she was so offended after the first time and had 8 more incidents after? She apparently didnt mind continuing to meet. This whole thing is so weird. Each meeting Primo just flashed her randomly? What is going on? Why are we even having to discuss this crap about one of the highest picks we had in years. Get rid of this GM already. Could have had Danny Ainge, have peewee herman instead.

I mean maybe they were fuckin. Somehow nobody thinks that is a realistic scenario

[ducks]

Don Harris really dropped the ball. Buzbee said during the press conference, "it's not about the money." C'mon Don, every plaintiff and attorney in lawsuits says that for the altruistic angle.

He lost his balls years ago with pop