2022-2023 Spurs Trade Rumors Thread

[Seventyniner]

There should be a place to gather all of these together imo.



First up is this podcast with Brian Windhorst.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/celtics-still-on-top-cavs-legit-contenders/id293376147?i=1000586406059

He said two things about Poeltl: the Spurs probably want to re-sign him in free agency, and the Celtics are interested.

The Celtics are certainly in win-now mode and just last season were willing to include a minimally (top 1) protected 2028 first round swap in the Derrick White trade. They owe their 2023 first to Indiana (unless it falls in the top 12, which has an almost zero chance of happening) but they own their own firsts in 2024-2029 other than that 2028 pick swap that the Spurs already have.

If the Spurs really want an unprotected first for Poeltl, Boston (2025/6/7/9) might be their best chance. Boston can also add in another swap or convert the 2028 swap into an unprotected first outright if the Spurs insist on more.

I don't know if the Celtics will be trying to unload salary into the Spurs cap space at the same time, but given that they are in win-now mode I doubt they would want to dump Brogdon (2 years after this one, $45M) or Smart (3 years, $60M).

I'm not sure who the Spurs could take back in return, though. Gallinari (lol) has a player option for $6.8M next season and the Celtics don't have a lot of low salary ballast.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston_celtics/

[Vince Carter's ankle]

I'm not sure who the Spurs could take back in return, though. Gallinari (lol) has a player option for $6.8M next season and the Celtics don't have a lot of low salary ballast.
Gallinari+Pritchard+picks

[lmbebo]

Gallinari+Pritchard+picks

Unsure if Gallinari can be traded to the Spurs until the season is over.

[Kevin]

Since Gallinari cant be traded back to the Spurs this season he'd have to be shipped off to Indy or Utah in a three team deal for salaries to match. Spurs supplying a second rounder to the third team should do the trick.

Jak and Richardson to the Bulls for Vuch works salary wise. Maybe the Bulls modify the protections on the 2025 first to unprotected. Its currently top 10 protected.

[BacktoBasics]

Unless it’s a fleecing I’d rather resign Poetl. He’s barely out of the timeline and plays team basketball. I know the popular opinion is that he’s easy to replace but he’s a high level glue guy and then some.

Our team has shown great progress and we’re really only a player or two away. All this cap space too.

There is a lot of value keeping Poetl.

[BacktoBasics]

Fuck it. I’d argue that the Spurs should be buyers not sellers. We have a lot of nice pieces.

[TD 21]

Unless it’s a fleecing I’d rather resign Poetl. He’s barely out of the timeline and plays team basketball. I know the popular opinion is that he’s easy to replace but he’s a high level glue guy and then some.

Our team has shown great progress and we’re really only a player or two away. All this cap space too.

There is a lot of value keeping Poetl.

They're 28th in net rating and one player away from what?

If it's championship contention, they'd need an MVP caliber player (only the hardest thing to get) and depending on the type, another player ranging from All-Star - All-NBA.

[spurraider21]

Fuck it. I’d argue that the Spurs should be buyers not sellers. We have a lot of nice pieces.
we have some nice pieces, but unless we have "the" piece somewhere, it'll just keep us in play-in purgatory, or maybe just above that

spurs shouldnt be buyers until they feel they have "the" guy. i'm actually glad primo is gone so the FO doesnt have the wrangle with their delusions that Primo was that guy

im not opposed to re-signing Poeltl but would definitely prioritize trading him

[Ocotillo]

With the cap space the team has, it wouldn't surprise me if they took on someone at the trade deadline that an under performing team wants to unload.

[poopbox]

Unless it’s a fleecing I’d rather resign Poetl. He’s barely out of the timeline and plays team basketball. I know the popular opinion is that he’s easy to replace but he’s a high level glue guy and then some.

Our team has shown great progress and we’re really only a player or two away. All this cap space too.

There is a lot of value keeping Poetl.

A "high level" glue guy? We have never made it out the 1st round of the playoffs with him on our team. What is high level about that?

[BackHome]

I am all for keeping Poetl if we stay in the 1 to 5 draft range but if we going into 12 to 15 range he has to go because that type of pick is not going to move the needle for us. You know those high ankle sprains can take months to properly heal.....

[baseline bum]

Unless it’s a fleecing I’d rather resign Poetl. He’s barely out of the timeline and plays team basketball. I know the popular opinion is that he’s easy to replace but he’s a high level glue guy and then some.

Our team has shown great progress and we’re really only a player or two away. All this cap space too.

There is a lot of value keeping Poetl.

I agree Poeltl is not at all easy to replace and I'd also much rather resign him than trade him, but those aren't really the choices the Spurs have. More likely it's trade him or lose him for nothing in free agency. I wouldn't resign here if I was Jakob unless the money was stupidly high vs other options. Not when the Spurs are small market team years away from being playoff quality. Unless the Spurs are getting strong indications Jakob wants to stay here they have to trade him.

[Ariel]

The Celtics owe their '23 1st to Indiana, so they can't trade their '24 pick, and the '25 pick shouldn't be that good plus we already have the Bulls' pick that year. So maybe Robert Williams + unprotected first (2027 or 2029)? Williams is a talented young center signed on a long term, reasonable deal... we could rehab him and keep him or up his trade value and flip him. He's injury prone and that's a risk, but it would:
1) give us a long term replacement for Poeltl
2) guarantee we don't lose him for nothing or overpay to keep him
3) help us get a better pick in '23
4) give us another potential golden ticket, albeit far away in the future.
I would consider something like that.

[rankingtear]

Not for 1 protected 1st. He is a developmental piece much like Tre and Doug. I think you look at MEM and how they value good veteran centers even with a young roster. Even if we hit the jackpot you don't want Wemby playing the center his first few years. If we get Scoot then he is perfect for developing him as a pick and roll ball handler. You don't want to be DET or HOU, they are developing their primary initiators on hard mode because their centers can't set good screens.

[BacktoBasics]

They're 28th in net rating and one player away from what?

If it's championship contention, they'd need an MVP caliber player (only the hardest thing to get) and depending on the type, another player ranging from All-Star - All-NBA.


we have some nice pieces, but unless we have "the" piece somewhere, it'll just keep us in play-in purgatory, or maybe just above that

spurs shouldnt be buyers until they feel they have "the" guy. i'm actually glad primo is gone so the FO doesnt have the wrangle with their delusions that Primo was that guy

im not opposed to re-signing Poeltl but would definitely prioritize trading him

I completely see why anyone would take this stance but we’re doing more with less than any team in the league. I’m not so sure we need a franchise player to break through to the next level. Another player that fits the Keldon/Vassell mold would probably get us into the playoffs and we have a fair amount of draft picks to poach other players.

We could be relevant without having to pull a franchise altering player.

Playing team ball has been worth its weight in gold.

[Chinook]

I agree Poeltl is not at all easy to replace and I'd also much rather resign him than trade him, but those aren't really the choices the Spurs have. More likely it's trade him or lose him for nothing in free agency. I wouldn't resign here if I was Jakob unless the money was stupidly high vs other options. Not when the Spurs are small market team years away from being playoff quality. Unless the Spurs are getting strong indications Jakob wants to stay here they have to trade him.

They don't have to trade him unless someone is actually offering something. They can honestly just let him walk for a late-first and bad money. Moreover, the Spurs don't have to offer stupid money to sign him, given that many other teams can't offer more than the TPMLE. If the Spurs have an interest in trading Jakob, they can re-sign him and then trade him. Or they can sign-and-trade him. DeRozan showed you can't feel compelled to just give guys away because you're worried about their free-agent status.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Out of the teams projected to have significant cap space next summer - Charlotte, Detroit, Houston, Indiana, Lakers, OKC, Orlando, Sacramento, maybe Utah - most would clearly not need to invest heavily in a center. Those that do wouldn't really give Poeltl a better win-now situation, so I'm pretty optimistic that the Spurs could re-sign him if they want to or arrange a sign and trade to a playoff team/contender if it comes to that.

For this reason I'm totally against trading Poeltl for a late first round pick, it's just not worth it. Unless it's an awesome offer, say a Vuch to Chicago type of a deal, I'd gladly take the chance to wait for next summer and resolve the situation then.

[CGD]

The more chatter the better. I’m still liking BOS, NOLA, TOR or GSW as best realistic partners if a trade happens before the deadline. Those are the only teams I see him willing to re-sign with, and thus enticed to give serious offers.

[BacktoBasics]

The more chatter the better. I’m still liking BOS, NOLA, TOR or GSW as best realistic partners if a trade happens before the deadline. Those are the only teams I see him willing to re-sign with, and thus enticed to give serious offers.
None of those teams can give us a great pick. Nolo has Dyson Daniels if I remember. He’s a good prospect kinda buried on that team. A pick and Daniels might be interesting.

GS doesn’t have much. Their prospects have failed them. Wiseman has no trade value today. Maybe his time in the G will have him looking better.

[Mr. Body]

None of those teams can give us a great pick. Nolo has Dyson Daniels if I remember. He’s a good prospect kinda buried on that team. A pick and Daniels might be interesting.

GS doesn’t have much. Their prospects have failed them. Wiseman has no trade value today. Maybe his time in the G will have him looking better.

NOLA ain't trading Dyson Daniels.

[Mr. Body]

Warriors don't have a completely shitty record, but they are awful on the road and the pieces don't seem to be there to internally improve.

They need wing defenders, which we aren't selling. They might be interested in Poeltl. Their salaries are hard to work with.

Wiseman is pretty much a complete bust at this point. Only Thabeet, Anthony Bennett, and Wiseman have been demoted to G-League play at this point in their careers.

Kuminga has promise, but by most accounts he's selfish, arrogant, lazy, and doesn't want to work. Bought an orange Lambo or something as soon as he could. Not that that's a bad thing, but there's a lot of talk about how he was the same before getting drafted.

Moody I think has some future, which is why I don't think they'll trade him. But he's basically the same player he was in college, I think even the same shooting percentages.

Baldwin is maybe even more of a crazy swing of the bat. He was awful in college. Not sure why they kept drafting these sorts of players.

[Kevin]

If the Spurs want a unprotected pick then GS and BOS is there best hope because Jak could be the difference between winning a championship and coming up just short. Teams like the Bulls and Raps would be stupid to surrender a unprotected first rounder because even with Jak they're still not legit title contenders.

[Mr. Body]

If the Spurs want a unprotected pick then GS and BOS is there best hope because Jak could be the difference between winning a championship and coming up just short. Teams like the Bulls and Raps would be stupid to surrender a unprotected first rounder because even with Jak they're still not legit title contenders.

Yeah, I think a championship is nearly Boston's if they want it. Robert Williams is constantly injured. I think their salaries make a trade for Poeltl very hard, however.

[Kevin]

Yeah, I think a championship is nearly Boston's if they want it. Robert Williams is constantly injured. I think their salaries make a trade for Poeltl very hard, however.

Gallinari would need to be shipped to Indy or Utah since he cant be traded here after the Murray deal. Gallo and Pritchard match Jak's salary. A second rounder would have to be sent to the third team for taking back the Gallo contract.

I could honestly see them offering Williams for Jak. That deal makes sense for both teams timelines.

[R. DeMurre]

I don't think Boston offers Timelord for Poeltl. When he's in their line up their defense is world class, plus he's on a bargain contract through 2026. Poeltl would probably be a half season rental in a push to win a championship. If anything, the Celtics would be trying to double down on defense like they did with Derrick White behind Smart and Brown. They'd probably need to include Gallinari to make the numbers work, but he can't be traded back to San Antonio this year, so a third team would need to be involved-- someone like Indiana, who has cap space. I could see an offer something like this:

Spurs get Kornet, Hauser, and 1st round pick (various years are available)

Celtics get Poeltl

Indian gets Gallinari and one or more 2nd round picks, from one or both of Celtics/Spurs


I'm not advocating for this, but the advantages would be seen as this: Kornet and Hauser both have the potential to be extremely low cost decent quality bench depth who'd minimally affect San Antonio's cap space (they'd actually create more cap space), losing Poeltl would help the tank in the short term dream of getting Wemby, & the Spurs would potentially have another home run swing to pair with their 2026 pick swap. Things change fast in the NBA, and if by some crazy turn of events Tatum is no longer a Celtic in 4 years, the Spurs might be in the same position that the Pelicans are now with their Laker pick.

[Ariel]

Warriors don't have a completely shitty record, but they are awful on the road and the pieces don't seem to be there to internally improve.

They need wing defenders, which we aren't selling. They might be interested in Poeltl. Their salaries are hard to work with.

Wiseman is pretty much a complete bust at this point. Only Thabeet, Anthony Bennett, and Wiseman have been demoted to G-League play at this point in their careers.

Kuminga has promise, but by most accounts he's selfish, arrogant, lazy, and doesn't want to work. Bought an orange Lambo or something as soon as he could. Not that that's a bad thing, but there's a lot of talk about how he was the same before getting drafted.

Moody I think has some future, which is why I don't think they'll trade him. But he's basically the same player he was in college, I think even the same shooting percentages.

Baldwin is maybe even more of a crazy swing of the bat. He was awful in college. Not sure why they kept drafting these sorts of players.
I think Wiseman could still pan out, but he's a long way, injury prone, and into his 3° year which means his rookie scale contract will soon end and a new one will be needed, and he might leave Golden State anyway, so I'm not sure how valuable he is as an asset. Kumminga and Moody I would take, but I want no part of Baldwin. Kumminga might be close in value to Poeltl just on potential alone, Moody would have to come with some more assets attached. But I could see why a trade with Golden State would be interesting for both parties.

[Ariel]

I don't think Boston offers Timelord for Poeltl. When he's in their line up their defense is world class, plus he's on a bargain contract through 2026. Poeltl would probably be a half season rental in a push to win a championship.
Boston would certainly make sure they could afford him afterwards, were that to happen. But the problem with Robert Williams is that he's not as dependable as Poeltl, and already unavailable this season. Also, keeping both Poeltl & Williams on the roster is not the best cap use. Boston's time is NOW, every season that passes is a golden chance missed, so not putting the best team you can on the floor also comes at a huge opportunity cost. IMO if we rid ourselves of Poeltl it has to be for a chance at something special, and I think we can do better than a pick in the 25-30 range and filler. If it's a couple unprotected, long term picks, however, that might change...

[R. DeMurre]

Boston would certainly make sure they could afford him afterwards, were that to happen. But the problem with Robert Williams is that he's not as dependable as Poeltl, and already unavailable this season. Also, keeping both Poeltl & Williams on the roster is not the best cap use. Boston's time is NOW, every season that passes is a golden chance missed, so not putting the best team you can on the floor also comes at a huge opportunity cost. IMO if we rid ourselves of Poeltl it has to be for a chance at something special, and I think we can do better than a pick in the 25-30 range and filler. If it's a couple unprotected, long term picks, however, that might change...


But if Boston's willing to give up on RWlll (he's due back soon according to a report yesterday), wouldn't that be a sign that they see/know something to indicate there's a good chance he won't be able to stay healthy going forward? How would Boston make sure Poeltl could be kept after this season? He's already made it clear he won't sign an extension, and wants to test the free agent waters. We'll see what happens, but I just don't see them offering a straight swap. Having both would be incredible for defensive depth and a title run, but having just Poeltl would slightly raise the floor while maybe also slightly lowering the ceiling. I don't think Brad Stevens takes that risk.

[exstatic]

None of those teams can give us a great pick. Nolo has Dyson Daniels if I remember. He’s a good prospect kinda buried on that team. A pick and Daniels might be interesting.

GS doesn’t have much. Their prospects have failed them. Wiseman has no trade value today. Maybe his time in the G will have him looking better.
Boston has a handful of picks left to trade, basically 2025,2026,2027,2029. Those aren’t near term, but from a contender, you don want near term

[BacktoBasics]

NOLA ain't trading Dyson Daniels.

I don't disagree but that might be the only thing I'm open to because a late 1st isn't better than simply resigning him. He's not that old.

[BacktoBasics]

Boston has a handful of picks left to trade, basically 2025,2026,2027,2029. Those aren’t near term, but from a contender, you don want near term

In this scenario I can see why they'd want two unprotected picks or possibly top 5 protected. Lottery protected isn't worth it in my opinion.

[mo7888]

I don't think Boston offers Timelord for Poeltl. When he's in their line up their defense is world class, plus he's on a bargain contract through 2026. Poeltl would probably be a half season rental in a push to win a championship. If anything, the Celtics would be trying to double down on defense like they did with Derrick White behind Smart and Brown. They'd probably need to include Gallinari to make the numbers work, but he can't be traded back to San Antonio this year, so a third team would need to be involved-- someone like Indiana, who has cap space. I could see an offer something like this:

Spurs get Kornet, Hauser, and 1st round pick (various years are available)

Celtics get Poeltl

Indian gets Gallinari and one or more 2nd round picks, from one or both of Celtics/Spurs


I'm not advocating for this, but the advantages would be seen as this: Kornet and Hauser both have the potential to be extremely low cost decent quality bench depth who'd minimally affect San Antonio's cap space (they'd actually create more cap space), losing Poeltl would help the tank in the short term dream of getting Wemby, & the Spurs would potentially have another home run swing to pair with their 2026 pick swap. Things change fast in the NBA, and if by some crazy turn of events Tatum is no longer a Celtic in 4 years, the Spurs might be in the same position that the Pelicans are now with their Laker pick.

I think we'd be better off just holding him to the off-season and take our chances there.

[Ariel]

But if Boston's willing to give up on RWlll (he's due back soon according to a report yesterday), wouldn't that be a sign that they see/know something to indicate there's a good chance he won't be able to stay healthy going forward? How would Boston make sure Poeltl could be kept after this season? He's already made it clear he won't sign an extension, and wants to test the free agent waters. We'll see what happens, but I just don't see them offering a straight swap. Having both would be incredible for defensive depth and a title run, but having just Poeltl would slightly raise the floor while maybe also slightly lowering the ceiling. I don't think Brad Stevens takes that risk.
When teams make heavy investments in players with expiring deals, they usually have some knowledge of the players' expectations and, at least, a reasonable degree of confidence in their ability to sign them long term. That's not a guarantee, of course (are there ever any?), but more like a calculated risk they could see worth taking (see Harden & Philly). Or not, who knows.

In the case of Poeltl, the whole "wanting to test he FA waters" deal is a metaphor for not settling for less than he could get, since his current deal limits any extension to around 14 something million per year. What Boston would acquire if they trade for him, are his Bird rights meaning they could go as high as it takes within the CBA, and putting themselves in pole position to sign him. I also wouldn't have anticipated Brad Stevens pulling the trigger on the Derrick White deal, yet he did.

As for Robert Williams, his health is definitely a concern the Spurs should make their due diligence on, yes. I'm taking that for granted if it goes through, otherwise it's a definite pass.

[R. DeMurre]

When teams make heavy investments in players with expiring deals, they usually have some knowledge of the players' expectations and, at least, a reasonable degree of confidence in their ability to sign them long term. That's not a guarantee, of course (are there ever any?), but more like a calculated risk they could see worth taking (see Harden & Philly). Or not, who knows.

In the case of Poeltl, the whole "wanting to test he FA waters" deal is a metaphor for not settling for less than he could get, since his current deal limits any extension to around 14 something million per year. What Boston would acquire if they trade for him, are his Bird rights meaning they could go as high as it takes within the CBA, and putting themselves in pole position to sign him. I also wouldn't have anticipated Brad Stevens pulling the trigger on the Derrick White deal, yet he did.

As for Robert Williams, his health is definitely a concern the Spurs should make their due diligence on, yes. I'm taking that for granted if it goes through, otherwise it's a definite pass.

I think the D White deal is quintessential Brad Stevens-- landing a glue guy with great impact stats who doesn't need the ball and is never going to gripe about shots, who is more aggressive about passing than shooting, who plays great D? That's the absolute perfect fit for a team that already has Tatum, Brown, Smart, Horford, and RWlll. Good discussion, though. It'll be fun to see what unfolds.

[TD 21]

Can't see the Celtics, probably the best team in the league with a mostly youngish core, trading any rotation players.

Poeltl makes no sense for the Warriors when their two primary bigs are already a non and virtual non shooter and next season, the difference between Poeltl's projected contract and Wiseman's would bloat their already historic tax bill even more.

Wiseman is also not good enough value for Poeltl at this point and the Spurs have clearly prioritized picks, un or lightly protected specifically, in recent trades.

[BackHome]

Damn Warriors really doing bad they have yet to win a road game they 0 - 8 so far this season.

[CGD]

None of those teams can give us a great pick. Nolo has Dyson Daniels if I remember. He’s a good prospect kinda buried on that team. A pick and Daniels might be interesting.

GS doesn’t have much. Their prospects have failed them. Wiseman has no trade value today. Maybe his time in the G will have him looking better.

The idea is to probably get way out there picks, so who knows where those teams will be in 4-5 years.

[CGD]

I think the D White deal is quintessential Brad Stevens-- landing a glue guy with great impact stats who doesn't need the ball and is never going to gripe about shots, who is more aggressive about passing than shooting, who plays great D? That's the absolute perfect fit for a team that already has Tatum, Brown, Smart, Horford, and RWlll. Good discussion, though. It'll be fun to see what unfolds.

I think a Celtics deal would have us taking back Al Hortford’s expiring into space. That’s the “weakness” they’re seeking to upgrade after all.

[rankingtear]

Jakob defends Giannis very well maybe top 3 that is why it seems like we have MIL number for years now. Celtics biggest hurdle on their way to the finals is that MIL team no other team is really close. Other than he fits their system like a glove, this is one of their motivation.

[tbdog]

Poelt for the warriors is perfect fit for them. But gee, you want youth and a pick back. And I'm not sure they want to resign Poeltl.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Unless it’s a fleecing I’d rather resign Poetl. He’s barely out of the timeline and plays team basketball. I know the popular opinion is that he’s easy to replace but he’s a high level glue guy and then some.

Our team has shown great progress and we’re really only a player or two away. All this cap space too.

There is a lot of value keeping Poetl.

I agree. Glue guys are hard to find these days and we’ll want to be using our pick on filling other needs. It’s one position checked off the list that shouldn’t be a bank breaker to keep around. A late FRP for Poeltl doesn’t justify the trade.

[mo7888]

Not Spurs related I don't believe but Atlanta has opened trade discussions on JCollins- Shams

[tonight...you]

Not Spurs related I don't believe but Atlanta has opened trade discussions on JCollins- Shams
Yet again? This is what, 3 seasons in a row they're trying to get rid of him?

[Mr. Body]

Not Spurs related I don't believe but Atlanta has opened trade discussions on JCollins- Shams

Lol, did they ever stop? They've been open to trading him since they re-signed him.

[BackHome]

Yeah no one wants him

[CGD]

Not Spurs related I don't believe but Atlanta has opened trade discussions on JCollins- Shams

And PHX wants something of value for Crowder. Both are overstating the value of their players, which may make them perfect for each other.

ATL —> Crowder + KBD + Suns FRP
PHX—> Collins
SAS—> Saric + Suns FRP

[mo7888]

And PHX wants something of value for Crowder. Both are overstating the value of their players, which may make them perfect for each other.

ATL —> Crowder + KBD + Suns FRP
PHX—> Collins
SAS—> Saric + Suns FRP

If we could turn kbd into a 1st that's Jedi mind trick stuff right there . Sign me up....

[CGD]

If we could turn kbd into a 1st that Jedi mind trick stuff right there . Sign me up....

Well as I see it the teams that are said to love Crowder (ATL, MIA) will absolutely need to bring in a team with space to make the deal work. So it’s more about being opportunistic, especially with Suns who are said not to really value their picks that highly. I could see PHX wanting spurs to eat Shatmat too. The inclusion of KBD is mostly to open up a roster spot for the trade.

[CGD]

The version with Miami would look something like:

MIA—> Crowder
PHX—> Richardson + Romeo
SAS—> Robinsons terrible contract; Sarics contract; Suns FRP; and Jovic

[BacktoBasics]

I'm high on Jovic. I wanted him at the draft.

Not for Robinson's contract. That's too much and isn't there like 3 years left on that nightmare?

[CGD]

I'm high on Jovic. I wanted him at the draft.

Not for Robinson's contract. That's too much and isn't there like 3 years left on that nightmare?

Yeah it’s not excellent, which is why we’d need an asset from PHX too. I believe Robinson’s deal is 3 (ouch!) years after this one, but the last year is an ETO which functionally makes it 2 more years only.

The deal could expand to include Doug to Miami so that basically the spurs are only eating one of those Duncan Robinson years, but I wonder if they’d balk at adding Jovic then.

[Seventyniner]

Yeah it’s not excellent, which is why we’d need an asset from PHX too. I believe Robinson’s deal is 3 (ouch!) years after this one, but the last year is an ETO which functionally makes it 2 more years only.

The deal could expand to include Doug to Miami so that basically the spurs are only eating one of those Duncan Robinson years, but I wonder if they’d balk at adding Jovic then.

Hoopshype has Duncan Robinson's last contract year as a player option. That's my go-to site but I don't know if it's necessarily the most accurate.

I don't think Jovic and a late first are enough for having to eat that awful contract on top of losing Richardson.

But the bones of a deal are there. Miami wants Crowder and wants to get off that horrible contract. Phoenix could use Richardson. The Heat can only trade a first in 2023 or 2028/2029 while the Suns have all of their own picks.

[BackHome]

That is actually pretty interesting probably one of the better trade ideas I have seen. The good thing for any team to do a third party deal they will need us to dump a high paying contract like Westbrook which is going to cost. So the hope is you either get multiple picks or one good pick and a young player we like - I like Jovic

This is the year that Boston, Suns, really have a good chance of ringing because the Warriors are playing slightly better then the Flakers. So if I am there GM and I can get a player I think gives us a better chance of ringing then draft pick doesn’t matter to me - Toronto

[BacktoBasics]

Hoopshype has Duncan Robinson's last contract year as a player option. That's my go-to site but I don't know if it's necessarily the most accurate.

I don't think Jovic and a late first are enough for having to eat that awful contract on top of losing Richardson.

But the bones of a deal are there. Miami wants Crowder and wants to get off that horrible contract. Phoenix could use Richardson. The Heat can only trade a first in 2023 or 2028/2029 while the Suns have all of their own picks.

We seem pretty attached to having cap flexibility. Eating a one year deal like Westbrook makes sense but I doubt they'd want to tie up that much money for multiple years when this team has shown enough promise that one big signing could propel this team into the playoffs.

Not only that but being able to absorb a bad contract for a pick year after year is enticing. We could potentially get a pick for a Westbrook type deal, then do it again next year with someone else. If we do a deal for Robinson we're stuck with it for a few years and can't repeat a deal like that next year. Limiting our ability to rent out cap space. A Robinson deal needs to be heavily weighted in our favor.

[talkspurs]

I keep seeing people say they wouldnt want NO because their pick will not be good. Remember they have swap rights with LA this year. That could end up being a really good pick. I could see NO saying no to us for this years pick because they value it. If they think they can win this year though you never know what could be done.

[Mr. Body]

This is the year that Boston, Suns, really have a good chance of ringing because the Warriors are playing slightly better then the Flakers. So if I am there GM and I can get a player I think gives us a better chance of ringing then draft pick doesn’t matter to me - Toronto

This is what is shaping up. The trophy is there for any contender that wants to push and get it. Last year's was fairly cheap with the Suns imploding, the Celtics being un-clutch, and only an above-average Warriors team having the experience to get it. This year things are even more flat. Denver, Mil, Boston, Phil, and lots of others, all have a chance. Even a team like Portland has a chance.

[mo7888]

While I don't think we'll be directly in the mix I think KAT will be on the market before the deadline. There's a little friction between he and Edwards and the KAT/Rudy pairing doesn't work. It'll continue to get more chippy up there and I think he'll be the odd man out. I could see us being involved as a 3rd team in a deal involving him.

[R. DeMurre]

One guy I have my eye on if Poeltl gets traded is Nick Richards of the Hornets. He's shown steady growth in his three years in the league, and is a restricted free agent next summer. He hasn't blown up (yet?), so it might be the right time to catch him on a bargain contract.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=richani01&p1yrfrom=2023&player_id2=poeltja01&p2yrfrom=2023

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Nick-Richards/Comparison/88857/Jakob-Poeltl/53231

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richani01.html

[Mr. Body]

While I don't think we'll be directly in the mix I think KAT will be on the market before the deadline. There's a little friction between he and Edwards and the KAT/Rudy pairing doesn't work. It'll continue to get more chippy up there and I think he'll be the odd man out. I could see us being involved as a 3rd team in a deal involving him.

It feels like KAT has the Knicks written all over him.

[lmbebo]

It feels like KAT has the Knicks written all over him.

Maybe Minny can get some picks back from the horrible trade...

But if I'm Minny, I'm trying to dump Russell to improve the roster before giving up on KAT

[mystargtr34]

Maybe Minny can get some picks back from the horrible trade...

But if I'm Minny, I'm trying to dump Russell to improve the roster before giving up on KAT

Problem is Russell is a negative asset but on an expiring $30m salary he probably becomes a positive one where a contender is willing to give up a pick.

KAT is obviously a strong positive asset despite his defensive flaws and softness.

I too think the Wolves trade both these guys before the deadline. KAT is just too slow and poor defensively to play the 4 in today’s NBA. Russell just sucks and always has been an inefficient chucker.

In terms of a trade market for KAT, I think he needs to play next to a 4 that can protect the rim because KAT is so bad at that. And there needs to be at least 2 strong defenders in the starting 5.

Looking through the standings quickly.

Milwaukee would be a fit with Giannis and Jrue. Not sure the bucks want to give up Middleton for KAT though.

Maybe the Raptors next to Siakam and Anunoby if they are willing to give up Barnes (he’s become overrated as if he’s a future franchise player which he’s not).

Knicks I can see making a push but no way you can play him next to Randle that’s pathetic defensively.

Miami maybe if they don’t have to give up Adebayo. Maybe the heat can give up Herro plus multiple 1sts and you can slide Bam down to the 4 who would be good defensively bext to KAT.

Memphis would be a good fit with Jaren Jackson at the 4. Adams is nearly 30 but does give them toughness.

Portland could do with an upgrade over Nurk. Grant at the 4 is a decent fit next to KAT.

[tonight...you]

Maybe Minny can get some picks back from the horrible trade...

But if I'm Minny, I'm trying to dump Russell to improve the roster before giving up on KAT
I agree. Russ needs to go.
KAT can be schemed more correctly on O.

[tonight...you]

Problem is Russell is a negative asset but on an expiring $30m salary he probably becomes a positive one where a contender is willing to give up a pick.

KAT is obviously a strong positive asset despite his defensive flaws and softness.

I too think the Wolves trade both these guys before the deadline. KAT is just too slow and poor defensively to play the 4 in today’s NBA. Russell just sucks and always has been an inefficient chucker.

In terms of a trade market for KAT, I think he needs to play next to a 4 that can protect the rim because KAT is so bad at that. And there needs to be at least 2 strong defenders in the starting 5.

Looking through the standings quickly.

Milwaukee would be a fit with Giannis and Jrue. Not sure the bucks want to give up Middleton for KAT though.

Maybe the Raptors next to Siakam and Anunoby if they are willing to give up Barnes (he’s become overrated as if he’s a future franchise player which he’s not).

Knicks I can see making a push but no way you can play him next to Randle that’s pathetic defensively.

Miami maybe if they don’t have to give up Adebayo. Maybe the heat can give up Herro plus multiple 1sts and you can slide Bam down to the 4 who would be good defensively bext to KAT.

Memphis would be a good fit with Jaren Jackson at the 4. Adams is nearly 30 but does give them toughness.

Portland could do with an upgrade over Nurk. Grant at the 4 is a decent fit next to KAT.
Damn.
Good points.

I still think KAT can be schemed better on O and I wonder why they don't have him drift more outwards more often.
He's capable.

[Mr. Body]

Miami and Memphis are way too smart to go after KAT.

[mystargtr34]

Miami and Memphis are way too smart to go after KAT.

Yeah agree in the sense they understand the value of defense, intangibles etc. more than other teams. But Miami will be desperate to win given they have $450 million in guaranteed money in these 4 guys (Butler, Adebayo, Herro, Robinson). Yes, $450 million.

[CGD]

KAT to Knicks. Just waiting for it

[CGD]

Hoopshype has Duncan Robinson's last contract year as a player option. That's my go-to site but I don't know if it's necessarily the most accurate.

I don't think Jovic and a late first are enough for having to eat that awful contract on top of losing Richardson.

But the bones of a deal are there. Miami wants Crowder and wants to get off that horrible contract. Phoenix could use Richardson. The Heat can only trade a first in 2023 or 2028/2029 while the Suns have all of their own picks.

Spotrac and Capulator have the third year as an ETO, which I would expect any reasonable team would exercise if his trajectory stays as it is now. I’m assuming then it’s two more years of Robinson after this one (obviously still shitty).

I’m also not partial to Jovic per se, but if memory serves I believe all of Miami’s picks are either owed or encumbered for a while. If there is a better MIA asset then go for it.

[Degoat]

What do we think of a Jakob trade to GSW for some of their young talent? I’m still in on Wiseman tbh

[mo7888]

What do we think of a Jakob trade to GSW for some of their young talent? I’m still in on Wiseman tbh

I don't think Wiseman has any value. He could be filler that we could try to revive (ala Romeo) but we'd still need 2 assets... two unprotected 1sts...or an unprotected 1st and Kuminga or Moody I'd guess..

[LeBowen]

What do we think of a Jakob trade to GSW for some of their young talent? I’m still in on Wiseman tbh

Wiseman literally doesn't know how to play basketball. He's completely lost and best case scenario he becomes a decent backup for a playoff team or a starter on a tanking team.
His defense is worse than LMA's in his last season with us.
He has no moves on offense because they never taught him anything other than to dunk on less athletic kids.
A lost cause.

Haven't seen enough of others, but they haven't shown much potential, either.


Imo, Jakob should be extended unless someone gives us either two first rounders or a good, young player with a pick attached.
We don't need to be sellers at all costs, our roster is almost complete. We're not a franchise that will tank for half a decade.

Keldon and Devin seem to be locks for SG and SF spots, Sochan has looked great for a rookie and worst case scenario he'll be an elite defender.
If we extend Jakob, we only need a starting PG. And a legit one. Modern NBA point guard with range and elite passing, should be the best player on the team, tbh.

Also, as you can see, bigs who are not MVP-level players aren't that useful in today's league. You have to overpay the likes of Gobert, KAT or even Ayton and they're not worth it in today's game.
Jakob is a perfect modern NBA big, one of the best defenders in the league and if we don't land Victor, which we most likely won't, I don't see a single reason why should we let him go. If there are no offers too good to refuse, obviously.

Get the best player available in the next draft, if it's Scoot or another PG (I don't really follow college ball) great. If not, our payroll for the next season is at $54 million only and we can trade (or trade up in the draft) for one.

This franchise won't be tanking next season, we might not be good enough yet, but there's nothing worse than to have a culture of losing for many consecutive years.

[TD 21]

^ This "only a PG away notion", if that were really the case then why did they trade Murray?

There isn't anything to suggest he wanted out.

You can call it what you want, but it's a virtual certainty that the team will suck again next season.

[mo7888]

^ This "only a PG away notion", if that were really the case then why did they trade Murray?

There isn't anything to suggest he wanted out.

You can call it what you want, but it's a virtual certainty that the team will suck again next season.

Because they don't think he's elite and is replaceable. And I don't think there's a reasonable argument that we're just a PG away. We certainly need one but we also have to have an elite alpha type of talent and quality depth to really compete.

[slick'81]

Because they don't think he's elite and is replaceable. And I don't think there's a reasonable argument that we're just a PG away. We certainly need one but we also have to have an elite alpha type of talent and quality depth to really compete.


wasnt the rumor he said he would test fa?!

[TD 21]

Because they don't think he's elite and is replaceable. And I don't think there's a reasonable argument that we're just a PG away. We certainly need one but we also have to have an elite alpha type of talent and quality depth to really compete.

Right and I don't think they think they're close either, otherwise I find it hard to believe they traded Murray (who's fit on social media led me to believe he was far more disappointed than he let on) for a miniscule chance at Henderson, who might be the only projected elite PG prospect for a while.

Agreed. Right now, of the notable youth, in terms of ceilings on a good team, I project the following . . .

- Johnson and Vassel as 3rd or 4th best players
- Jones as backup PG
- Sochan as fringe starter/third big
- Branham and Wesley TBD, but unlikely to be starters

[BackHome]

Right and I don't think they think they're close either, otherwise I find it hard to believe they traded Murray (who's fit on social media led me to believe he was far more disappointed than he let on) for a miniscule chance at Henderson, who might be the only projected elite PG prospect for a while.

Agreed. Right now, of the notable youth, in terms of ceilings on a good team, I project the following . . .

- Johnson and Vassel as 3rd or 4th best players
- Jones as backup PG
- Sochan as fringe starter/third big
- Branham and Wesley TBD, but unlikely to be starters

I can see that but I would put Vassell as a strong 2nd best player if keeps getting better as he has shown.
Sochan well he was one of the youngest players drafted and we all know there is a LEAP in player development from first to third year so I will reach and say he will be second or third best player for us.
Branham I look as a good bench player who can get us buckets until he can improve on defense
Blake - he may have the highest upside he could be really good or really bad all depends on his work ethic and Spurs development program
Tre- As our backup PG well until Blake can beat him out

We are not one player away from being a serious team we definitely need a top 4 person in this draft and probably at least be in the top 10 next year. After that I think we will have the talent and depth to start making serious runs

[LeBowen]

I never said current Spurs are one player away. I said we need a great PG, because that's how the league works these days.
You're underselling Keldon and Devin, they can definitely be poor man's Brown-Tatum duo.

We barely have any useful bench players and we have one PG on the roster. Not to mention noone is a finished product except Jakob and two tank commanders.
Also, Pop keeps handing out DNPs to make sure we don't win games.

Jakob is out tonight so AD can win the game by himself if needed.
This team is operating at like 40% of it's potential, assuming noone improves.

Imo, you're mistaken if you think we're tanking again next year. Sure, we might not be that good yet, but we won't tank.
And we'll have like 70 million cap space. Can't draft everyone.

[mo7888]

wasnt the rumor he said he would test fa?!

Yes

[TD 21]

Maybe Johnson and Vassell can be 2nd and 3rd best players on a good team if the best player is a minimum All-NBA one, but to be a championship contender they'd probably have to be 3rd and 4th and that's more about where the bar is than it is about them.

As I said, call it what you want, but they'll almost certainly be a bottom feeder again next season. When you're at the stage the Spurs are, you're reliant on ping pong balls (if you think it's not rigged) to determine your timeline and ceiling.

[mo7888]

Right and I don't think they think they're close either, otherwise I find it hard to believe they traded Murray (who's fit on social media led me to believe he was far more disappointed than he let on) for a miniscule chance at Henderson, who might be the only projected elite PG prospect for a while.

Agreed. Right now, of the notable youth, in terms of ceilings on a good team, I project the following . . .

- Johnson and Vassel as 3rd or 4th best players
- Jones as backup PG
- Sochan as fringe starter/third big
- Branham and Wesley TBD, but unlikely to be starters

My opinion is a little different but not to far off from where you're at. Here's where we differ a bit.

On PG's in this draft- I think there are more PG's in this draft that will have careers that will rival Scoot. If we're in the top 6 I believe one of those will be available. Scoot will be better day one but by year 3 I'm not so sure.

On the notable youth- I think KJ and Devin can be the 2nd and 3rd best players on a championship team because the league is shifting away from super teams right now.
On Jones- I agree...backup PG
Sochan- it's hard to say...if he learns to shoot from 3 at an average clip then he's an unquestionable starter and a fairly high level on at that. If his shot doesn't develop then- fringe guy/backup.

Branham/ Wesley- I'm intrigued by Wesley and think Branham can be a solid role player. It's to early to really know, I think there's something there to explore but the odds are against them.

Biggest need is an alpha- I'd prefer him to be a 5 or a 1 but, ultimately we just need an alpha regardless of position. If we can ever get that guy then we can figure out what type of quality depth we can surround him with.

[Thomas82]

What do we think of a Jakob trade to GSW for some of their young talent? I’m still in on Wiseman tbh

I'm still down for that too.

[The Truth #6]

I'm still down for that too.

The consensus is becoming that he’s a bust but GS seems dysfunctional in general this year after Draymond went crazy and punched Poole, so it’s possible Wiseman is still young but in a bad win now position that is undermining his development. He could still turn it around in a good situation. Having said that, his BBIQ seems low, and that’s never a food fit with Pop.

[BackHome]

Yeah, throw in Wiseman but still need there unprotected first..

I read one trade proposal with Nets getting Poetl and we getting back Mills, and Edmond Sumner, and there first?

[itzsoweezee]

What do we think of a Jakob trade to GSW for some of their young talent? I’m still in on Wiseman tbh

What’s wiseman’s contract situation? Is he up for an extension? Between the two, I’d try to grab Kuminga over Wiseman, but either would be worth the risk

[Thomas82]

The consensus is becoming that he’s a bust but GS seems dysfunctional in general this year after Draymond went crazy and punched Poole, so it’s possible Wiseman is still young but in a bad win now position that is undermining his development. He could still turn it around in a good situation. Having said that, his BBIQ seems low, and that’s never a food fit with Pop.

In my opinion, Golden State was always a bad fit for him to begin with.

[T Park]

Yeah, throw in Wiseman but still need there unprotected first..

I read one trade proposal with Nets getting Poetl and we getting back Mills, and Edmond Sumner, and there first?

That would be a big under sell. I dont know if its for sure if they even have their first

[CGD]

The wiseman ship has sailed. If the spurs really want him just wait two years when he becomes a free agent

[BatManu20]

Wiseman has been horrible defensively. Warriors fans have turned on him. I don’t even have much interest in him anymore tbh.

[Kevin]

Its amazing reading other teams boards because they value Jak for a lotto protected first and not much else. Either way I think Jak stays and Richardson will be the only big deal by the deadline.

[Robz4000]

Yeah, Wiseman is garbage tbh. Would much rather keep Poeltl in that scenario.

[Kevin]

If not for Bassey a Richardson for Wiseman deal makes sense for everyone and the salaries already match. But as other have already said the Wiseman ship sailed.

[ismael-robert]

Any actual rumors here or everyone just throwing their feelings at the wall? Only lucrative post was op

[CGD]

Its amazing reading other teams boards because they value Jak for a lotto protected first and not much else. Either way I think Jak stays and Richardson will be the only big deal by the deadline.

That’s seems about right tbh. We overvalue him here and regularly forget he’s an expiring contract.

[CGD]

Any actual rumors here or everyone just throwing their feelings at the wall? Only lucrative post was op

We’re all speculating on Brian Windhost and Zach Lowes musing from their podcasts, etc. It’s early, the team has clearly hit a wall, and why not?

But I expect World Cup will keep many of us distracted for a while.

[mo7888]

Any actual rumors here or everyone just throwing their feelings at the wall? Only lucrative post was op

We're starting our own rumors....and if we can get timvp in on it we can see them go viral ��

[The Truth #6]

Typically teams wait to the deadline to make moves. But some teams with high expectations are already falling on their face, and so maybe they might be inclined to make a move sooner. It’s a weird season. And the younger upstart teams who are over performing already have talented, but unproven players, so I wonder if they’re gonna want to trade for say Josh Richardson instead of just giving their own younger players the experience. In summary, I guess I’m wondering if there’s gonna be any trades this year for us. Especially with Yak whom they may want to consider keeping if the price is reasonable.

[R. DeMurre]

Typically teams wait to the deadline to make moves. But some teams with high expectations are already falling on their face, and so maybe they might be inclined to make a move sooner. It’s a weird season. And the younger upstart teams who are over performing already have talented, but unproven players, so I wonder if they’re gonna want to trade for say Josh Richardson instead of just giving their own younger players the experience. In summary, I guess I’m wondering if there’s gonna be any trades this year for us. Especially with Yak whom they may want to consider keeping if the price is reasonable.


It is a weird season, and I'm picturing more than the usual amount of early trades this year when December 15 hits, which is the date when players who were signed this off season can be moved. I'd be shocked if Golden State doesn't do something to get more vet depth. The Westbrook situation is weird too of course, but I can see teams willing to take him on waiting until the last possible moment, to save on his bloated salary. I have a feeling that because of the better-than-usual parity the league currently has, it's going to be a busier than usual trade season.

[The Truth #6]

It is a weird season, and I'm picturing more than the usual amount of early trades this year when December 15 hits, which is the date when players who were signed this off season can be moved. I'd be shocked if Golden State doesn't do something to get more vet depth. The Westbrook situation is weird too of course, but I can see teams willing to take him on waiting until the last possible moment, to save on his bloated salary. I have a feeling that because of the better-than-usual parity the league currently has, it's going to be a busier than usual trade season.


Good points. GM job security could be an invisible factor that motivates some teams to make moves as well. And, like you said, with so much parity, a lot of teams can talk themselves into this being their opportunity.

[CGD]

It is a weird season, and I'm picturing more than the usual amount of early trades this year when December 15 hits, which is the date when players who were signed this off season can be moved. I'd be shocked if Golden State doesn't do something to get more vet depth. The Westbrook situation is weird too of course, but I can see teams willing to take him on waiting until the last possible moment, to save on his bloated salary. I have a feeling that because of the better-than-usual parity the league currently has, it's going to be a busier than usual trade season.

I go back and forth on this. I could just as well see a world with the 7-10 tanked teams in each conference in Feb, say screw it, we’re going to fight to get a ticket to the Wemby sweepstakes.

Lakers are throwing away this season. They won the standoff with LeBron, and i dont see them as desperate to deal Russ as before. The shocking thing is the LeBron seems cool with going out with a whimper— Los Angeles must be just that dope.

[TD 21]

"Before the season started, the Lakers offered a lottery-protected first-round pick and Russell Westbrook to the Spurs for Josh Richardson and Doug McDermott, HoopsHype has learned. The Spurs, however, wanted an unprotected first-round pick for taking on Westbrook's salary with the expectation he'd be waived, which the Lakers were unwilling to do, and talks stalled."

NBA Rumors: Top Trade Candidates For Each Team (hoopshype.com) (https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-top-trade-candidates-on-each-team/)

[exstatic]

I go back and forth on this. I could just as well see a world with the 7-10 tanked teams in each conference in Feb, say screw it, we’re going to fight to get a ticket to the Wemby sweepstakes.

Lakers are throwing away this season. They won the standoff with LeBron, and i dont see them as desperate to deal Russ as before. The shocking thing is the LeBron seems cool with going out with a whimper— Los Angeles must be just that dope.

Uh, no, Lakers have won 5 in a row. With New Orleans able to swap picks, they have ZERO incentive to tank.

LeBron never went to LA for basketball reasons. They were a shithole team, and he would only be able to breathe just so much life into them at his age. He was transitioning to his second career: entertainment.

[CGD]

Uh, no, Lakers have won 5 in a row. With New Orleans able to swap picks, they have ZERO incentive to tank.

LeBron never went to LA for basketball reasons. They were a shithole team, and he would only be able to breathe just so much life into them at his age. He was transitioning to his second career: entertainment.

The lakers are in 13th place in the conference at 5-10. They have the 6th worst record in the league right now.
I agree that they dont WANT to tank, theyre just bad.

[KingKev]

^ yeah If LBJ wanted to win he could have easily taken money off the table these last few years so they could have built a better team.

[buttsR4rebounding]

^ yeah If LBJ wanted to win he could have easily taken money off the table these last few years so they could have built a better team.

LBJ just figured he was good enough to carry a team to the LOB. Except for the contract with Miami he has NEVER given up a dime. Even in Miami he only gave up a few million dollars. Wade and Bosh both gave up more than LeBron.

[Mal]

"Before the season started, the Lakers offered a lottery-protected first-round pick and Russell Westbrook to the Spurs for Josh Richardson and Doug McDermott, HoopsHype has learned. The Spurs, however, wanted an unprotected first-round pick for taking on Westbrook's salary with the expectation he'd be waived, which the Lakers were unwilling to do, and talks stalled."

NBA Rumors: Top Trade Candidates For Each Team (hoopshype.com) (https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-top-trade-candidates-on-each-team/)

So they assested Westbrook had actual value ?

[The Truth #6]

Westbrook 2.0 would get minutes on our team given how bad we are now.

I hope we get something for Josh and Doug eventually.

[exstatic]

Westbrook 2.0 would get minutes on our team given how bad we are now.

I hope we get something for Josh and Doug eventually.

It’s not a matter of talent, it’s that you don’t want his bullshit on the court or in the locker room.

[rascal]

Its amazing reading other teams boards because they value Jak for a lotto protected first and not much else. Either way I think Jak stays and Richardson will be the only big deal by the deadline.

That's his value.

[Kevin]

That's his value.

Yeah probably. Spurs are re-signing Jak unless they land Wemby.

[buttsR4rebounding]

If not for Bassey a Richardson for Wiseman deal makes sense for everyone and the salaries already match. But as other have already said the Wiseman ship sailed.

Bassey has shown some flashes, but definitely isn't a reason not to do a deal for Wiseman. If Richardson for Wiseman makes sense for everyone without Bassey in the picture then it still makes sense. Personally, while I think Wiseman is a roll of the dice at this point I wouldn't write him off completely as most have. He came in during COVID and then has been injured for 1 1/2 years. While he is obviously still a project it would be a low risk one at this point, but the 3 games that Bassey played above expectations in shouldn't have any impact on that decision.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Yeah probably. Spurs are re-signing Jak unless they land Wemby.

I think they re-sign him even if they land Wemby. To me it makes sense having Jak take the punishment down low and let the skinny 7'4" guy play PF. Let Sochan be the energy guy off the bench.

[Kevin]

Bassey has shown some flashes, but definitely isn't a reason not to do a deal for Wiseman. If Richardson for Wiseman makes sense for everyone without Bassey in the picture then it still makes sense. Personally, while I think Wiseman is a roll of the dice at this point I wouldn't write him off completely as most have. He came in during COVID and then has been injured for 1 1/2 years. While he is obviously still a project it would be a low risk one at this point, but the 3 games that Bassey played above expectations in shouldn't have any impact on that decision.

Disagree. That would leave the Spurs with five centers. Jak, Collins, Bassey Wiseman and Dieng. Even if you cut Dieng that still leaves them with four. Just not enough minutes for development and honestly Bassey as already shown more in 10 or so games with the Spurs than Wiseman has in three years.

[Kevin]

I think they re-sign him even if they land Wemby. To me it makes sense having Jak take the punishment down low and let the skinny 7'4" guy play PF. Let Sochan be the energy guy off the bench.

The Spurs have nothing better to do with their money than extend Keldon Dev and Jak. They're not landing big free agents and renting cap space for assets has proven to be easier said than done and now Utah is in that market too.

[LeBowen]

A question or you guys who want to trade Jakob, what's the plan for C position then?
Traditional bigs aren't a thing on top contenders anymore, unless they're MVP level players, which we won't get unless somehow that 10 to 15% chance for Victor happens.
And as already said, if we actually get Victor, he's not going to play C as a rookie. That's just asking for him to get injured.


I don't see a single other big in the league who would be a realistic target and would be better value for money than Jakob.
Sure, it doesn't matter this season, but replacing such good rim protector would be really difficult and we won't be tanking forever.
He's just turned 27, it's not like he's 10 years older than our future core players.


If an overpay offer comes, let him go. If not, extend him. Even if he gets 15 to 18 million per year, he'll still be tradeable and a good value contract.
And we'll have like 70 million in cap space next summer. Sorry to disappoint you, but no max contract players are going to knock on PATFO's door.


Trading him for just one pick and a decent player would be dumb. He's a player you hope to get with 5th to 10th pick.

[TXstbobcat]

A question or you guys who want to trade Jakob, what's the plan for C position then?
Traditional bigs aren't a thing on top contenders anymore, unless they're MVP level players, which we won't get unless somehow that 10 to 15% chance for Victor happens.
And as already said, if we actually get Victor, he's not going to play C as a rookie. That's just asking for him to get injured.


I don't see a single other big in the league who would be a realistic target and would be better value for money than Jakob.
Sure, it doesn't matter this season, but replacing such good rim protector would be really difficult and we won't be tanking forever.
He's just turned 27, it's not like he's 10 years older than our future core players.


If an overpay offer comes, let him go. If not, extend him. Even if he gets 15 to 18 million per year, he'll still be tradeable and a good value contract.
And we'll have like 70 million in cap space next summer. Sorry to disappoint you, but no max contract players are going to knock on PATFO's door.


Trading him for just one pick and a decent player would be dumb. He's a player you hope to get with 5th to 10th pick.

I could see him getting a 4 year $100 Million offer from another team once he hits unrestricted free agency at the end of this season.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Disagree. That would leave the Spurs with five centers. Jak, Collins, Bassey Wiseman and Dieng. Even if you cut Dieng that still leaves them with four. Just not enough minutes for development and honestly Bassey as already shown more in 10 or so games with the Spurs than Wiseman has in three years.

Man, take off the homer glasses. Wiseman isn’t playing for a team that won a ring last year. They have a much higher standard than the Spurs do right now. If Wiseman was a Spur he’d be getting regular minutes. I like Bassey. I hope he becomes the next 50, but he’s not done anything to warrant not making a trade that your post said made sense for everyone.

[Kevin]

Man, take off the homer glasses. Wiseman isn’t playing for a team that won a ring last year. They have a much higher standard than the Spurs do right now. If Wiseman was a Spur he’d be getting regular minutes. I like Bassey. I hope he becomes the next 50, but he’s not done anything to warrant not making a trade that your post said made sense for everyone.

These aren't homer glasses. Wiseman has either been injured or terrible his entire NBA career up to this point.

[Mr. Body]

Man, take off the homer glasses. Wiseman isn’t playing for a team that won a ring last year. They have a much higher standard than the Spurs do right now. If Wiseman was a Spur he’d be getting regular minutes. I like Bassey. I hope he becomes the next 50, but he’s not done anything to warrant not making a trade that your post said made sense for everyone.

Wiseman wouldn't be getting regular minutes with any team in the league. Not sure if you've been watching at all.

Beside the fact that he doesn't know how to play basketball and after four years has no clear aptitude for learning how, he's on an ungodly salary tier given his draft number. In the completely unlikely eventuality that he manages to be a passable player, if you acquire him in trade you're looking at paying through the nose for his atrocious talent.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Man, take off the homer glasses. Wiseman isn’t playing for a team that won a ring last year. They have a much higher standard than the Spurs do right now. If Wiseman was a Spur he’d be getting regular minutes. I like Bassey. I hope he becomes the next 50, but he’s not done anything to warrant not making a trade that your post said made sense for everyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS88tde9PRw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-0A12708Vk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMkJ5FgeSsg

[tonight...you]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS88tde9PRw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-0A12708Vk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMkJ5FgeSsg
That is some ugly stuff.

[exstatic]

Wiseman wouldn't be getting regular minutes with any team in the league. Not sure if you've been watching at all.

Beside the fact that he doesn't know how to play basketball and after four years has no clear aptitude for learning how, he's on an ungodly salary tier given his draft number. In the completely unlikely eventuality that he manages to be a passable player, if you acquire him in trade you're looking at paying through the nose for his atrocious talent.

He’s barely into his second season of play, but the rest of your points are valid. Contending teams tend to bobble lottery picks, because even high picks need instruction and development, and that kind of team isn’t constructed to do that. GS with Wiseman, and Boston with Langford, a lower lottery pick are two recent examples.

When you have someone as raw as Wiseman, who with only 3 games at Memphis was basically a HS player, they really need player development and a full season in the gleague. Yes, even as a #2 overall pick. There is a development window in approximately the first two years,that if you miss it, cannot be revisited. He’s almost outside that window now. Unfortunately for him, I see a path that has been traveled before by Marvin Bagley, another #2 pick that didn’t meet the expectations of the draft slot. Sacramento realized it, tried to monetize him, failed, and ended up dumping him to Detroit for pennies. Bagley was a lot more developed, and they got Donte DiVincenzo in that multi team trade. I’m not sure if they can monetize Wiseman at all.

[Thomas82]

He’s barely into his second season of play, but the rest of your points are valid. Contending teams tend to bobble lottery picks, because even high picks need instruction and development, and that kind of team isn’t constructed to do that. GS with Wiseman, and Boston with Langford, a lower lottery pick are two recent examples.

When you have someone as raw as Wiseman, who with only 3 games at Memphis was basically a HS player, they really need player development and a full season in the gleague. Yes, even as a #2 overall pick. There is a development window in approximately the first two years,that if you miss it, cannot be revisited. He’s almost outside that window now. Unfortunately for him, I see a path that has been traveled before by Marvin Bagley, another #2 pick that didn’t meet the expectations of the draft slot. Sacramento realized it, tried to monetize him, failed, and ended up dumping him to Detroit for pennies. Bagley was a lot more developed, and they got Donte DiVincenzo in that multi team trade. I’m not sure if they can monetize Wiseman at all.

All of what you said is true, and I never believed Wiseman was a good fit for the Warriors to begin with.

[CGD]

Warriors trying to be cute and build this guy as an asset, but at their tax bill I can see him being dumped next season.

If spurs really want him just wait. There are other opportunities to be had with Jakobs situation.

[scott]

He’s barely into his second season of play, but the rest of your points are valid. Contending teams tend to bobble lottery picks, because even high picks need instruction and development, and that kind of team isn’t constructed to do that. GS with Wiseman, and Boston with Langford, a lower lottery pick are two recent examples.

When you have someone as raw as Wiseman, who with only 3 games at Memphis was basically a HS player, they really need player development and a full season in the gleague. Yes, even as a #2 overall pick. There is a development window in approximately the first two years,that if you miss it, cannot be revisited. He’s almost outside that window now. Unfortunately for him, I see a path that has been traveled before by Marvin Bagley, another #2 pick that didn’t meet the expectations of the draft slot. Sacramento realized it, tried to monetize him, failed, and ended up dumping him to Detroit for pennies. Bagley was a lot more developed, and they got Donte DiVincenzo in that multi team trade. I’m not sure if they can monetize Wiseman at all.

A good reminder that getting a top 2 pick doesn't mean you'll get a franchise-altering player! Granted, it can definitely be argued that had Wiseman been a Spurs instead of a Warrior he could be on a different path right now... but he also just might suck, period.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Wiseman wouldn't be getting regular minutes with any team in the league. Not sure if you've been watching at all.

Beside the fact that he doesn't know how to play basketball and after four years has no clear aptitude for learning how, he's on an ungodly salary tier given his draft number. In the completely unlikely eventuality that he manages to be a passable player, if you acquire him in trade you're looking at paying through the nose for his atrocious talent.

I’m not saying I want to trade for him the point is twofold: 1. Having Bassey is no reason not to do the trade. He hasn’t shown enough at this point for the Spurs to forgo making a trade. 2. Wiseman is in his 3rd season and has been injured for 1 and 1/2 seasons. As I said he would be a low risk developmental project at this point if the PATFO saw something in him. And as for not getting minutes if he was a Spur, we have the biggest net negative in the league we are playing lots of guys still learning to play basketball.

[lmbebo]

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-miami-heat-keeping-tabs-on-terry-rozier-and-josh-richardson/

Duncan Robinson contract is awful ....

[BacktoBasics]

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-miami-heat-keeping-tabs-on-terry-rozier-and-josh-richardson/

Duncan Robinson contract is awful ....

I don't see any reasonable offer here. That contract is insurmountable. A multiple pick kind of deal. It stifles our ability to rent out cap space for multiple years.

[lmbebo]

I don't see any reasonable offer here. That contract is insurmountable. A multiple pick kind of deal. It stifles our ability to rent out cap space for multiple years.


I can't see anyone taking on his contract unless attached to Adebayo or something with picks.

[Mr. Body]

Damn, for a well-run franchise, the Heat suddenly started giving out big contracts like candy.

[BacktoBasics]

Damn, for a well-run franchise, the Heat suddenly started giving out big contracts like candy.

It was a crazy move that they immediately regretted.

[CGD]

I don't see any reasonable offer here. That contract is insurmountable. A multiple pick kind of deal. It stifles our ability to rent out cap space for multiple years.

Yeah, I think basically spurs would have to send Doug out (who has a year after this one), so they’re “just” basically eating the last year of Robinson (the fourth year of his deal is an ETO which will be exercised).

That or they’d need Jovic AND a pick for Richardson’s expiring contract (aka cap relief).

[BacktoBasics]

Yeah, I think basically spurs would have to send Doug out (who has a year after this one), so they’re “just” basically eating the last year of Robinson (the fourth year of his deal is an ETO which will be exercised).

That or they’d need Jovic AND a pick for Richardson’s expiring contract (aka cap relief).
Sending Doug is a good way to rationalize it but we’d still be losing out on a year of being able to rent out cap space.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if a year from now we’re a step closer to needing that cap space for an actual piece vs. cap relief for another team.

[CGD]

Sending Doug is a good way to rationalize it but we’d still be losing out on a year of being able to rent out cap space.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if a year from now we’re a step closer to needing that cap space for an actual piece vs. cap relief for another team.

Depends on the assets coming back. Basically spurs would leveraging the space now, plus we could still have LOTS of space over the next few season. one of the unexpected wrinkles of the Primo situation is that there will be a gap year where we don’t have to extend a rookie deal.

[CGD]

Wiseman wouldn't be getting regular minutes with any team in the league. Not sure if you've been watching at all.

Beside the fact that he doesn't know how to play basketball and after four years has no clear aptitude for learning how, he's on an ungodly salary tier given his draft number. In the completely unlikely eventuality that he manages to be a passable player, if you acquire him in trade you're looking at paying through the nose for his atrocious talent.

Good points. Makes me wonder why spurs wouldn’t demand Kuminga instead?

That or just view Wiseman as salary ballast and land some picks.

E.g., Wiseman + 23 FRP + 28 FRP pick swap

[Mr. Body]

I would be interested in Kuminga, even if he apparently has asshole tendencies. He does have promise and I doubt they give up on him... but they do have some decisions to make.

[mo7888]

Good points. Makes me wonder why spurs wouldn’t demand Kuminga instead?

That or just view Wiseman as salary ballast and land some picks.

E.g., Wiseman + 23 FRP + 28 FRP pick swap

That's how I see it too...kuminga would have value... Wiseman would be like Langford. Ballast that you try to turn into something..

[lmbebo]

Yeah, I think basically spurs would have to send Doug out (who has a year after this one), so they’re “just” basically eating the last year of Robinson (the fourth year of his deal is an ETO which will be exercised).

That or they’d need Jovic AND a pick for Richardson’s expiring contract (aka cap relief).


More money involved with Robinson. Doug is at 13.75 this year and next Robinson is at 16.9 million this year, 18.2 million next year then 19.4 million. Then not sure if its a player or team option on the final year 19.9 million (2025-2026). Considerable more money tied up with Robinson compared to McDermott (sounds like a player option that he would be foolish to exercise).

[CGD]

More money involved with Robinson. Doug is at 13.75 this year and next Robinson is at 16.9 million this year, 18.2 million next year then 19.4 million. Then not sure if its a player or team option on the final year 19.9 million (2025-2026). Considerable more money tied up with Robinson compared to McDermott (sounds like a player option that he would be foolish to exercise).

Robinson’s last year has an ETO. Basically that means the team can choose to dump his ass in year 4, which you have to assume is a give.

Fair point that it’s more money in the overlapping years with Doug, on top of another year of Robinson. So you’re looking at ~28M.