Random Thoughts After Alperen Sengun Nearly Puts Zach Collins in a Body Bag

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/alperen-sengun-dunk-zach-collins-spurs-thoughts/

Luis Scola 2.0 :depressed

[Mr. Body]

Lol, even OKC was stupid enough to pass and trade to the Rox.

Like Duren. Detroit got him for a song.

[Dejounte]

What does this alternate universe look like?

Sengun isn’t a centerpiece who increases the win total of a team by himself so our draft positions the last two years likely stay the same.

Who would the Spurs draft instead of Sochan?

Does this mean they don’t draft Wemba this year if they land the #1 pick in that universe? Or does it mean they do and Sengun gets relegated to a bench piece?

[Maddog]

Good write up
He reminds me a bit of Vučević- also drafted 16th-offensive skills are somewhat different- but same conundrum- what to do with him defensively


Hindsight is 20/20 and the draft is far from an exact science- but Primo is turning out to be a really bad pick and several teams should have gone after Sengun- not just the Spurs.
Sengun is going to be one of those interesting players once his rookie contract is up= Skilled productive and flawed ( I just don't see that defense get any better)

[Ariel]

Sengun was a no brainer for the regular fan who doesn't get paid to overthink stuff. But he's not likely to be a franchise cornerstone, so while it hurts we need to get over it and not repeat the same idi0tic mistake of falling in love with a guy over a handful of talent depleted combine games and 5 minutes of coached interviews.

[Ariel]

Lol, even OKC was stupid enough to pass and trade to the Rox.
OKC shouldn't set the bar for anything draft related: they've missed so much that you could put all names on a board, give a few darts to a blindfolded drunk a$$hole and still hit better prospects.

[poopbox]

Should have been the pick over Primo. He has the type of offensive skill that you can run your entire offense through. A very poor man's Jokic who could turn out to be an upper middle class man's Jokic. Good news for us is that he won't reach his full potential in houston where they have to many chuckers to ever really turn the keys of the offense over to him, so we might get a chance to right this wrong down the line in free agency, after we fail to draft Tall Tony Parker of course...

[John B]

Nice write-up. First off, I believe Scola could've given Timmy another 1-2 more rings (possibly) tying or eclipsing MJ's count, and possibly putting Timmy in GOAT conversion (19 straight playoffs, etc). He could've banged with Gasol and cancelled Kobe's 4th and tying 5th ring. Scola could've banged with the likes of Zach Randolph, Ibaka, etc, instead of Dejuan Blair's silly teardrops :lol Scola was the perfect big body to pair with Timmy, and could've really help Timmy, even prolonging Timmy's career (if that was even more possible). Worst of all, it was all about the money that Spurs didn't want to pay and having already Splitter. That said, would Sengun have the same possible outcome? I don't know. Spurs no longer have a Timmy (nor the big 3) to pair with. Would Sengun have the same impact now? I doubt with the rebuilding team. He doesn't move the needle, especially in the modern NBA with fast mobile bigs who can step-out to shoot 3's. Sengun is not.

I had a long time reconciling with Primo's pick. And when finally did, he exposed himself. It's like swimming all night just to die at the shore. But it was a big swing that Spurs had to take, but unfortunately a big miss that splat in their face. Nevertheless, it was a necessary move to gamble what they thought could be a franchise player. Sengun will never be. I don't see the same magnitude as the Scola mishap. And no point to cry over spilt milk for me. :bobo

[rankingtear]

Sengun is not a no brainer when it comes to team building. Trey Murphy III might be the bigger miss if he ever showed self creation. I have watched a fair share of HOU games he gets carved up. Once a team decides to target him he gets benched thus the low minutes.

[Spurs Homer]

Herb jones is the one that got away- from a few teams tbh…

[couchman]

Scola hurts because he could have helped add another title or two. Sengun doesn’t strike me as that kind of difference maker. Yes, Sengun would have been a better pick than Primo, but so would almost anyone else.

[Uriel]

Primo was the pick over Sengun because of his supposed "franchise player upside" (something Sengun was not thought to possess), which we may never see now given the way things have unfolded.

[tonight...you]

Lol. Salivating over an offensive foul.

[K...]

Bait post from timvp. Spursfan are still hurt they lost dwayne dedmon. Im sure even G league standout JAMES Wiseman an can do a nasty dunk too. The spurs, correctly know how to build a team. They've been dumper diving BIGS all year and probably have a contract number for poetle to stay. No sign they regret picking Primo

[rjv]

sengun looks like he's in slow motion even when he's not in slow motion. glad collins is okay though.

[KingKev]

Creative article and I respect the hustle but damn it’s getting spooky out here when this is all we have to discuss!

[KobesAchilles]

TiMVP on the Sengun bandwagon now? :wow

That being said, I don't remember anybody saying Sengun would be a MVP or franchise changer. But what we did say (and were proven 100% correct) was that Sengun was a better pick than Josh PPrimo.

Sengun is a nice solid bench player to have on your team that is smart, plays high energy, and can put the ball in the basket. He also looks for others and can for brief stretches have the offense run through him. That's all you can really ask for a bench player. He might stay what he is now or he might improve and get used to the speed on the NBA defensively. Really he just needs to learn positioning better. I'm not sure the Rockets even give a flip about defense though :lol

[KingKev]

^ and Primo is out of the league. Even if he wasn’t rocking out with his cock out PATFO got that wrong. One of many mis-steps in the last 5 years.

Anti-sniffers rejoice!!

[Atl Spur]

^ and Primo is out of the league. Even if he wasn’t rocking out with his cock out PATFO got that wrong. One of many mis-steps in the last 5 years.

Anti-sniffers rejoice!!
Just wanted to say hi! Primo couldn’t keep it in his pants and dudes on here can’t keep him out their mouth��

[Dex]

What does this alternate universe look like?

Sengun isn’t a centerpiece who increases the win total of a team by himself so our draft positions the last two years likely stay the same.

Who would the Spurs draft instead of Sochan?


All reasonable points...but at the end of the day, the Primo pick was a complete waste of a #12 pick. ANY other player in that range would have been better simply for the fact that they would still be playing with the team or, at the very least, be a trade asset.

The Primo pick was a draft failure of monumental proportions. Even worse than Samanic...and that's saying something. The fact those two were drafted just two years apart is definitely a black mark on Wright's resume.


Does this mean they don’t draft Wemba this year if they land the #1 pick in that universe? Or does it mean they do and Sengun gets relegated to a bench piece?

If you have a chance to get Wemby, you take it and figure out the rest later.

[CGD]

Sengun is not a no brainer when it comes to team building. Trey Murphy III might be the bigger miss if he ever showed self creation. I have watched a fair share of HOU games he gets carved up. Once a team decides to target him he gets benched thus the low minutes.

Good take. Trey is good and more consistent with the modern NBA trend. I like sengun but he’s in that mold of Randel, Jollins, etc. — undersized bigs that suck ass on D. In other words the opposite of the nba trend.

[KingKev]

Just wanted to say hi! Primo couldn’t keep it in his pants and dudes on here can’t keep him out their mouth��

Set yourself up here man but I digress.

[buttsR4rebounding]

As bad as passing on Sengun was I would still rate passing on Haliburton a bigger screw up. Haliburton is turning into a franchise player and the best player of that draft. Just what the Spurs were trying to get with Primo. I am becoming more and more convinced that the Spurs aren't better than anyone else in assessing talent. They do seem to develop it better once they have it thus giving the illusion that they are better at assessing players.

[Spursfanfromafar]

We had Murray and White and so, selecting Vassell over Haliburton wasn't such a mistake. Vassell is shaping up well too and Haliburton, while being a great PG isn't necessarily that better than Vassell overall.

That said, I was one of the Spurs fans who thought Sengun was a no brainer. Primo was mostly a dud in his first season but there were some hopes that he would learn the ropes in season 2. Sad how it all ended up. Sengun was the better choice even if Primo's exposure case didn't happen.

[rjv]

my first reaction to the primo pick was a state of shock because i was expecting to hear sengun's name and instead heard a name that i had nowhere on my list of possible picks. i wound up deferring to the spurs FO and figured they knew something about primo that other's didn't. of course, as it turns out, only primo knew something about himself that no one else did.

[T Park]

As bad as passing on Sengun was I would still rate passing on Haliburton a bigger screw up. Haliburton is turning into a franchise player and the best player of that draft. Just what the Spurs were trying to get with Primo. I am becoming more and more convinced that the Spurs aren't better than anyone else in assessing talent. They do seem to develop it better once they have it thus giving the illusion that they are better at assessing players.

Gonna keep beating this horse carcass. He wanted Sacramento. Vassell is very good too.

[Gibbz]

The only saving grace of the wasted Primo pick is how bad the rest of that draft was. The only really intriguing players who went after him are Trey Murphy (very solid), Herb Jones (great defender), Bones Hyland (microwave), and Sengun, and I'm not crazy about Sengun as a big who's cement-footed on D, can't shoot the 3, and turns it over a bunch. I probably like Santi Aldama from that same draft better than Sengun. Kispert as a gunner has potential as well, I suppose.

[Maddog]

my first reaction to the primo pick was a state of shock because i was expecting to hear sengun's name and instead heard a name that i had nowhere on my list of possible picks. i wound up deferring to the spurs FO and figured they knew something about primo that other's didn't. of course, as it turns out, only primo knew something about himself that no one else did.
Well he did eventually share this information



The only saving grace of the wasted Primo pick is how bad the rest of that draft was. The only really intriguing players who went after him are Trey Murphy (very solid), Herb Jones (great defender), Bones Hyland (microwave), and Sengun, and I'm not crazy about Sengun as a big who's cement-footed on D, can't shoot the 3, and turns it over a bunch. I probably like Santi Aldama from that same draft better than Sengun. Kispert as a gunner has potential as well, I suppose.

It's pretty early, but it really is turning out to be a mediocre draft. I was watching the Keldon highlights and several times he went right by or shot over Sengun. He's a good piece and will put good numbers, but his defense is going to limit him.

[Mr. Body]

The equivalent to the Primo bust is Phoenix whiffing entirely on Jalen Smith the year before when Vassel and Haliburton were there. Smith is looking at least promising in Indiana. Phoenix has a history of horrible high picks. Let's hope the Spurs get back on track.

[Gibbz]

The equivalent to the Primo bust is Phoenix whiffing entirely on Jalen Smith the year before when Vassel and Haliburton were there. Smith is looking at least promising in Indiana. Phoenix has a history of horrible high picks. Let's hope the Spurs get back on track.

From 2012 to 2017 PHX drafted or traded for:

13 - Kendall Marshall
5 - Alex Len
4 - Dragan Bender
8 - Marquese Chriss
4 - Josh Jackson

[Maddog]

From 2012 to 2017 PHX drafted or traded for:

13 - Kendall Marshall
5 - Alex Len
4 - Dragan Bender
8 - Marquese Chriss
4 - Josh Jackson

Yet they are a Contender
You just need to nail a few in close proximity

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Still pissed we didn’t draft Sengun and even more so after what Primo pulled. SMH

i honestly think Sengun with all his athletic limitations on the right team could at least be a solid team defender and offensively the dude was nice before he even hit an NBA court.

Houston really needs to cut the far and get rid of Porter Jr. and a few of the other young chuckers on that roster as well as their coach. It’s sad seeing Jabari Smith and Sengun barely touch the ball on offense or when they do it’s usually at the end of the shot clock or in a bad position. They have talent on that squad but definitely need somebody with a solid vision to get them straight.

[K...]

I dont think spurs fans realize how common high draft picks bust. Primo is still without hindsight the better player. You always take higher upside over “value“ in the lottery. Primo looked like a big guard with play making. Sengun is at best a career roleplayer. Playing for the rockets makes everyone look better than they are with the ball. Wake me up when sengun shoots the 3 enough to get houston off the floor.

Primo is being judged by the worse outcome , sengun inflated by empty stats.

[rjv]

Well he did eventually share this information

:lol

[rjv]

I dont think spurs fans realize how common high draft picks bust. Primo is still without hindsight the better player. You always take higher upside over “value“ in the lottery. Primo looked like a big guard with play making. Sengun is at best a career roleplayer. Playing for the rockets makes everyone look better than they are with the ball. Wake me up when sengun shoots the 3 enough to get houston off the floor.

Primo is being judged by the worse outcome , sengun inflated by empty stats.

if we had drafted sengun, he'd be getting roasted on ST.

[Russ]

I didn't think the dunk was all that great. (Even if it was legit.)

[heyheymymy]

Having cam Johnson helps even though he was a minny selection but oof those suns picks are bad.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

All reasonable points...but at the end of the day, the Primo pick was a complete waste of a #12 pick. ANY other player in that range would have been better simply for the fact that they would still be playing with the team or, at the very least, be a trade asset.

The Primo pick was a draft failure of monumental proportions. Even worse than Samanic...and that's saying something. The fact those two were drafted just two years apart is definitely a black mark on Wright's resume.



If you have a chance to get Wemby, you take it and figure out the rest later.

:tu

I’ll have what he’s having.

[scott]

I dont think spurs fans realize how common high draft picks bust. Primo is still without hindsight the better player. You always take higher upside over “value“ in the lottery. Primo looked like a big guard with play making. Sengun is at best a career roleplayer. Playing for the rockets makes everyone look better than they are with the ball. Wake me up when sengun shoots the 3 enough to get houston off the floor.

Primo is being judged by the worse outcome , sengun inflated by empty stats.

Yeah, I'm not crying over missing Sengun. Best case scenario with him is that he just keeps us in play-in purgatory. At least with Primo it was a shot at the fences. It turned out a whiff, but at least it didn't keep us stuck in play-in territory.

[PhantomDashCam]

I like Sengun but it’s hard to not see him being a defensive liability throughout his career.

When you look at the team’s construction - specifically the youth, position and playing-style; Kai Jones looks like the player we should have picked.

So very raw but we supposedly have one of the greatest developmental/teaching staffs in all of basketball.

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[Atl Spur]

Henry Ruggs & Primo……. very eerie! Different sport/circumstance but same draft spot/jersey number.

[gambit1990]

oh weird, it's almost like the spurs have the worst future in their division (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289107).

[exstatic]

if we had drafted sengun, he'd be getting roasted on ST.

Yeah, he is pretty much what he’s going to be. He’s undersized and not athletic. I’d rather take a big swing late in the lottery than draft a rotation level player.

[Chomag]

Was Sengun smiling when he was going up? :lol

[Chomag]

I really wish the Spurs should have went after Kai Jones. This organization would have done well developing him.

[TDMVPDPOY]

whether the spurms draft sengun or not, will he get the playing minutes his enjoying on the rockets compared to if on the spurs even with a shitty roster with roster spots up for grabs

how about teams who draft experience european players only to bury them on the bench....

[TD 21]

Yeah, I'm not crying over missing Sengun. Best case scenario with him is that he just keeps us in play-in purgatory. At least with Primo it was a shot at the fences. It turned out a whiff, but at least it didn't keep us stuck in play-in territory.

Agreed, but I get both sides.

To this point, it's gone as expected: Primo looked like a replacement player and Sengun looks like Sabonis 2.0.

The latter probably doesn't have a place on a championship contender, but the team with the least talent in the league picking 12th probably shouldn't be overly concerned with that.

[exstatic]

Agreed, but I get both sides.

To this point, it's gone as expected: Primo looked like a replacement player and Sengun looks like Sabonis 2.0.

The latter probably doesn't have a place on a championship contender, but the team with the least talent in the league picking 12th probably shouldn't be overly concerned with that.

They actually should. Take the big swing with a late lottery pick. Drafting mid is the treadmill.

[TD 21]

They actually should. Take the big swing with a late lottery pick. Drafting mid is the treadmill.

Relax, I was playing devil's advocate.

Keep in mind though, if their trajectories continue (let's even say Primo eventually graduates from replacement to rotation player), flaws and all, Sengun would have more trade value.

[Rocalcio]

If it wasn't for his dick issues, Primo would probably be better than Sengun this day.

[buttsR4rebounding]

If it wasn't for his dick issues, Primo would probably be better than Sengun this day.

Based on what standard? Rethink and pass the pipe.

[Rocalcio]

Based on what standard? Rethink and pass the pipe.

He had several goods games, nothing needs to be rethinked here.

[BatManu20]

He’s reportedly grown 2 inches, from 6’9 to 6’11.

It still hurts. :cry


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[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol second guessing pick rueage

[Ariel]

He’s reportedly grown 2 inches, from 6’9 to 6’11.

It still hurts. :cry


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Open growth plates? :lmao

[rjv]

He’s reportedly grown 2 inches, from 6’9 to 6’11.

It still hurts. :cry


1669772323208200193

everything adds up. if we had selected sengun, instead of the flash, the spurs very well may have had a better record this past season, and ergo lesser odds at the #1 overall. still, that was definitely a draft to forget (or learn from if you're Wright).

[GAustex]

And Pop picked a dick flashing pervert

[Ariel]

And Pop picked a dick flashing pervert
There's a lesson in here: we picked the lesser talent, because he was high character and supposed to grow. He ended up being a non-growing pervert, the only thing that didn't change was his talent level :bang

[spurraider21]

imo the most concerning part about the primo saga is that after his rookie year they apparently saw not only a starting point guard, but a face of the franchise type guy.

not even getting into the off-the-court stuff, but im concerned for anybody who has that kind of evaluation

[DAF86]

He’s reportedly grown 2 inches, from 6’9 to 6’11.

It still hurts. :cry


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Nothing hurts no more, tbh.

[slick'81]

Atleast the spurs dont have to worry about picking the wrong player this draft

[rjv]

that same updated listing (from the Rockets) has four other players as taller this year, including porter, who apparently grew 2" after turning 21 and eric gordon as having grown an inch taller at the age of 34 :lol

[tonight...you]

He’s reportedly grown 2 inches, from 6’9 to 6’11.

It still hurts. :cry


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Don't even remotely care.
Spurs roads led to Wemby. Alperen can suck it.

[slick'81]

Don't even remotely care.
Spurs roads led to Wemby. Alperen can suck it.

for real and sochan

[BatManu20]

everything adds up. if we had selected sengun, instead of the flash, the spurs very well may have had a better record this past season, and ergo lesser odds at the #1 overall. still, that was definitely a draft to forget (or learn from if you're Wright).

Yea winning Wemby negates any of this obviously. Still fun to re-hash it though considering we drafted a serial flasher instead of this guy tbh. :lol

[JPB]

My dick grew an inch since the begining of the summer.

Can't wait for August.