Random Thoughts After the Spurs Add Stanley Johnson

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/stanley-johnson-spurs-sign/

[exstatic]

He sucks. The End.

[MultiTroll]

"-If you’re rooting for the Spurs to make a push for a spot in the Play-In Tournament"

:rollin

Yes isn't everyone?

[Mr. Body]

Any truth to the rumor they're signing Chris Singleton next?

[slick'81]

Reclamation projects lfg!!

[Das Texan]

Sign a shit ton of players only to waive them and be on the hook for their salary. Isnt that one way to get closer to the salary floor?

[Russ]

He sucks. The End.

He sucks. The Beginning.

[spurraider21]

i dont think signing stanley johnson warrants its own "thoughts" article tbh

[exstatic]

Sign a shit ton of players only to waive them and be on the hook for their salary. Isnt that one way to get closer to the salary floor?

None of the contracts were fully guaranteed. They’re paying them for like 12-14 days of a minimum salary. Think of it as one rolling minimum contract.

[MultiTroll]

He sucks. The Beginning.
:lol nicely done.

[Excessive Egotist]

Solid article, but after reading it I like the signing even less, especially if it is a Wright rather than Pop move. As a Pop move, I still hate it, but you can't fault a coach for trying to optimize wins. Coaches are paid to be short-sighted and focus on winning in the moment. If a Wright move, it shows a fickle commitment to building a winning team against a 5 year time horizon, which is his job and which he correctly pivoted toward when he traded White and Murray.

I'm not anti-Wright. Some fans are too harsh with him. The pivot to rebuild must have been very difficult to get buy-in from the coaches, but he still managed organizational consensus between owners, FO, and coaches. The Spurs have been a league average front office during his tenure. He inherited a bad hand---it's fair to say he took over at the front offices most challenging moment since...before Popovich arrived. But this move is all sorts of :pctoss.

[Excessive Egotist]

Exstatic has the correct perspective. Rolling minimum contract. I will remind myself of this whenever I see Stanley Johnson check-in and especially on night's when his defense helped us get a win.

[BacktoBasics]

Does Michael Olowokandi have anything left in the tank

[DPG21920]

Frustrating. Relationships and character are important but should not be sole reason for signing players. Not only is it alarming Wright selected a bust in the lottery in Stanley, but now he’s doing favors for his previous picks that have no upside?

Couple that with his bust pick in Primo, things looking a little shaky for Wright at the moment. Let’s hope he can do something good with trades.

[poopbox]

Stanly Johnson getting a spurs talk article. How the might have fallen :lol

[slick'81]

Has brian wright done anything well at all here?!

[Mr. Body]

I mean, really? Stanley Johnson doesn't matter. At all. No use shitting yourselves over a 15th man pick up.

[rjv]

I mean, really? Stanley Johnson doesn't matter. At all. No use shitting yourselves over a 15th man pick up.

some people just like to bitch.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I mean, really? Stanley Johnson doesn't matter. At all. No use shitting yourselves over a 15th man pick up.

It's a Spurstalk tradition to bitch incessantly about the 15th man.

Anyone remember Pops Mensah Bonsu? James White!

[Ocotillo]

some people just like to bitch.

Yeah, I have been thinking for a while you have the sniffers and the bitchers.

[Gibbz]

James White!

Flight!

[DPG21920]

I mean, really? Stanley Johnson doesn't matter. At all. No use shitting yourselves over a 15th man pick up.

This is by far the strangest thing I see pop up on the board over and over lol. It’s a crazy die hard fan message board. What purpose does it have if not to discuss all things related, no matter how small?

Its not a casuals thing to join a message board and post about a team. It means you have a deeper connection and interest. It would be one thing if said topics led to insane conclusions or blow ups, but a few pages of discussing it and trying to find some meaning in an industry where typically NO move is taken lightly by teams and its cut throat?

[heyheymymy]

it's low risk high reward. Who cares, it's a practically free shot at something that might stick albeit lightning in a bottle. take swings at stuff with practically zero commitment on guys who have every reason to give all they got and tons of room to test run it. What else should SA be doing?

Let's take some shots on guys then. This team has pulled Finals record holders off the D league garbage heap before, it's what they do. Not claiming shit about this guy in particular or anyone else even but you dig enough and you might hit gold no matter how rare the odds are. Why not? Let's spin this wheel and see what we land on here

[exstatic]

it's low risk high reward. Who cares, it's a practically free shot at something that might stick albeit lightning in a bottle. take swings at stuff with practically zero commitment on guys who have every reason to give all they got and tons of room to test run it. What else should SA be doing?

Let's take some shots on guys then. This team has pulled Finals record holders off the D league garbage heap before, it's what they do. Not claiming shit about this guy in particular or anyone else even but you dig enough and you might hit gold no matter how rare the odds are. Why not? Let's spin this wheel and see what we land on here

A big chunk of our roster is already reclamation projects. KBD, Robey, Langford,Zollins,Bassey.

[Mr. Body]

This is by far the strangest thing I see pop up on the board over and over lol. It’s a crazy die hard fan message board. What purpose does it have if not to discuss all things related, no matter how small?

Its not a casuals thing to join a message board and post about a team. It means you have a deeper connection and interest. It would be one thing if said topics led to insane conclusions or blow ups, but a few pages of discussing it and trying to find some meaning in an industry where typically NO move is taken lightly by teams and its cut throat?

There's a big difference between chatting about a 15th spot and asserting the signing has incredible meaning about the future of the franchise. People might want to breathe a little instead of hyperventilating. This guy literally doesn't matter.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Samanic played 26 minutes last night: 24 pts, 10 rb, 4 ast, 2 blks, 3 stls, +44 pt diff and we are signing Stanley Johnson to play PF.

[exstatic]

Samanic played 26 minutes last night: 24 pts, 10 rb, 4 ast, 2 blks, 3 stls, +44 pt diff and we are signing Stanley Johnson to play PF.

Nobody cares what this loser is doing in the gleague.

[KingKev]

Has brian wright done anything well at all here?!

Trading D White was his best move.

[DPG21920]

Trading Murray was a very good move/haul. Did well in moving DeRozan. White trade was solid value. Not signing too many washed up vets this off season and pivoting to a real rebuild. Getting Keldon extension signed. All good things.

But there has been plenty of bad weather partially or majority attributed to him. So we just have to see how it goes. Luckily, IMO, the mistakes have been of the small nature and not catastrophic. Even Primo situation.

But still LOTS of work to do and he and the Spurs need to care about every little detail. No stone unturned, no big mistakes, and maximize asset management

[scott]

What’s my man Bassey got to do to get that full contract? Sheeeeesh.

[exstatic]

What’s my man Bassey got to do to get that full contract? Sheeeeesh.

My thought is that it’s easier to cycle players in and out on our one full contract spot than a 2 way, and when required to guarantee it for the rest of the year in January, it will go to Bassey.

[scott]

My thought is that it’s easier to cycle players in and out on our one full contract spot than a 2 way, and when required to guarantee it for the rest of the year in January, it will go to Bassey.

Thanks. I am not familiar with the rules of 2-ways. If we simply sign him for the rest of the season on the 2-way, do we get any exclusive rights on resigning him, or does he simply become a free agent at the end of the year? Likewise if he stays on a 2-way the whole season?

This is probably way too premature and presumptuous of a 2nd year guy on a 2-way with one of the worst teams, but he seems on a really solid developmental track. If he were a late first round draft pick in his rookie year, we’d probably feel pretty good about how he was progressing. He’s certainly well ahead of where Luka was in his 2nd year (though that isn’t particularly telling of anything) and where Primo was in his rookie year (though I understand Bassey is neither a rookie nor 19 years old).

I’d just hate to lose him this offseason, I think he has legit starter potential as a defensive center with more offensive range than say, Jak. I’m not ready to flat out replace Jak with Bassey, but if he keeps developing I think he could be just as good in year 4 or 5.

[scott]

I’ll also add, if we do sign him to the rest of the year and he then becomes a true FA, obviously a greater showing of developing in the last months of the season are just going to raise his price. Hopefully it does lead to a situation where he feels like “screw these guys who signed Alize and Stanley Johnson before me”

Best case scenario is he continues on a solid developmental track and feel loyalty to the hometown team who gave him a shot after the Sixers dropped him.

[exstatic]

I’ll also add, if we do sign him to the rest of the year and he then becomes a true FA, obviously a greater showing of developing in the last months of the season are just going to raise his price. Hopefully it does lead to a situation where he feels like “screw these guys who signed Alize and Stanley Johnson before me”

Best case scenario is he continues on a solid developmental track and feel loyalty to the hometown team who gave him a shot after the Sixers dropped him.

The Spurs won’t promote him on a rest of the year contract. The standard in a cut and pickup would be 3 years, first guaranteed. The Sam Hinkie deal would be 4 years, first year guaranteed.

When he was cut, he had 20+ teams interested at various levels, and he chose to sign a 2way with the Spurs. I kinda think he wants to be here, in our development program.

[scott]

The Spurs won’t promote him on a rest of the year contract. The standard in a cut and pickup would be 3 years, first guaranteed. The Sam Hinkie deal would be 4 years, first year guaranteed.

When he was cut, he had 20+ teams interested at various levels, and he chose to sign a 2way with the Spurs. I kinda think he wants to be here, in our development program.

3/4 years with only 1 guaranteed would be a steal IMO… hopefully it comes to be.

While he had 20+ teams interested, it did sound from the reporting (I think maybe even timvp’s) that only the Spurs were offering a 2-way and everyone else was on an exhibit 10? I’d be curious if anyone else offered him a full contract and he still chose the Spurs 2-way because of our development program (which, for all anyone wants to say about Spurs recent drafting, it does appear our development program still appears to be on its game).

[illusioNtEk]

Worst random thoughts thread tbh.... save this for some real news

[Wu36]

I think Stanley is just around short term to help develop the younger guys. He can play d, they learn how to mix it up. No big deal

[exstatic]

Worst random thoughts thread tbh.... save this for some real news

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[John B]

Is Stanley Johnson a PF? I think he plays Point-Forward and even SG. His aggressiveness last night almost singlehandedly brought the Spurs back, tbh.

I like his defense, his motor. He was able to bully his defender going straight to the basket. I like this pick-up.

[ambchang]

He reminds me of ron artest, not metta world peace.

[LeBowen]

Is Stanley Johnson a PF? I think he plays Point-Forward and even SG. His aggressiveness last night almost singlehandedly brought the Spurs back, tbh.

I like his defense, his motor. He was able to bully his defender going straight to the basket. I like this pick-up.

Iirc, he was projected to be the next nephew, but he never developed his game. Still a great defender, but everything except for wide open layups is a struggle on offense.
Some years back I wanted the Spurs to get him, he still had the potential to develop into poor man's 2014 version of nephew, but now it's too late.

Still, I think he can be way more useful than KBD.

[Dex]

Samanic played 26 minutes last night: 24 pts, 10 rb, 4 ast, 2 blks, 3 stls, +44 pt diff and we are signing Stanley Johnson to play PF.

Yeah, in the G-League where he fucking belongs.

[exstatic]

Iirc, he was projected to be the next nephew, but he never developed his game. Still a great defender, but everything except for wide open layups is a struggle on offense.
Some years back I wanted the Spurs to get him, he still had the potential to develop into poor man's 2014 version of nephew, but now it's too late.

Still, I think he can be way more useful than KBD.

Let’s give it a dozen games, or so. It’s much more likely this is a mirage than his first 7 seasons were. KBD isn’t an All Star, but he’s a pretty damn good defender, and his long term numbers are better than Johnson’s.

[Leetonidas]

I thought this guy sucked? He's looked like our 4th or 5th best player :lol

[exstatic]

I thought this guy sucked? He's looked like our 4th or 5th best player :lol

Two games.

[slick'81]

I thought this guy sucked? He's looked like our 4th or 5th best player :lol

I mean look at our team

[Gagnrath]

He seems to have improved his shooting, he's always had the physical tools. Honestly if things continue progressing for him I'm not against keeping dude around on the cheap.

[Mr. Body]

He's way better in the halfcourt than I expected -- he does little screens and movements that can get shooters the ball that aren't written in the playbook. Even if he's not a shooter he has more value than I thought.

[The Truth #6]

I like him so far. Seems poised. Better than Roby and KBD. Doesn’t help much but I love the defensive potential and seems way more motivated than Romeo. Seems like a Pop player.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1608546015946186753

[spurraider21]

had to double take when i saw he was still just 26 years old tbh :lol

[John B]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1608546015946186753

The guy has underwhelmed being a top 8th overall pick in 2015. But I like him. He can push the ball, has range and plays tough defense. It's a toss between him and Sochan as Spurs best point-of-attack defender right now, imo. I'm rooting he'll make it with the Spurs.

[The Truth #6]

Great interview. After hearing that it is crystal clear why Brian likes likes him. He appears well-adjusted, he smiles a lot, and is articulate. I’m not saying that’s a recipe for drafting star players, but for a role player who plays great defense, I see him as a keeper, though not a difference maker, in the grand scheme of things, and if I am Romeo, I definitely better be saving my money because this might be his last year in the league or whenever this contract runs out, because I don’t see any way that Romeo stays and Stanley leaves, as far as who they prioritize moving forward.

[rjv]

Samanic played 26 minutes last night: 24 pts, 10 rb, 4 ast, 2 blks, 3 stls, +44 pt diff and we are signing Stanley Johnson to play PF.

damn. i didn't even know there were still some samanic followers in existence.

[The Truth #6]

Great interview. After hearing that it is crystal clear why Brian likes likes him. He appears well-adjusted, he smiles a lot, and is articulate. I’m not saying that’s a recipe for drafting star players, but for a role player who plays great defense, I see him as a keeper, though not a difference maker, in the grand scheme of things, and if I am Romeo, I definitely better be saving my money because this might be his last year in the league or whenever this contract runs out, because I don’t see any way that Romeo stays and Stanley leaves, as far as who they prioritize moving forward.

Damn, Romeo has a gift for sensing how close he is to his career being over then pulls out a big performance. He did this earlier in the season, too. Hey, good game tonight. But wow is he inconsistent.

[Mr. Body]

Guys, if Trey Lyles career wasn't over after the Spurs, Langfords career won't be over after the Spurs.

[John B]

Damn, Romeo has a gift for sensing how close he is to his career being over then pulls out a big performance. He did this earlier in the season, too. Hey, good game tonight. But wow is he inconsistent.

It’s deferring attitude, but that motor get switched when a Vassell is out and Langford is nudged to score as a starter. It’s like putting the ball on Branham’s hands and somehow he clicked. It’s up to Pop what would make Langford tick because he’s so talented, it’s getting the most out of a player.

[Mr. Body]

I continue to be unsure why Stanley Johnson wasn't on a team.

[venitian navigator]

Imho we have as of now a collection of players that are full of phisical skills and talent but, for different reasons (health, bad coaching, bad organizations, too many supposedly more skilled players above them in the teams they were), never found the right environment to succeed... I mean Langford, Collins, Roby, Bates Diop, Bassey, Johnson... These guys at least have have actually big time potential at least as elite role players... I really like quite all the personnel choices made by the F. O. and I wouldn’t be surprised if (after this one stealth tanking/players developing the system season) quite all of them will be re signed next year with reasonable long term contracts... Expecially considering they all look like very good character guys...

[Ocotillo]

Imho we have as of now a collection of players that are full of phisical skills and talent but, for different reasons (health, bad coaching, bad organizations, too many supposedly more skilled players above them in the teams they were), never found the right environment to succeed... I mean Langford, Collins, Roby, Bates Diop, Bassey, Johnson... These guys at least have have actually big time potential at least as elite role players... I really like quite all the personnel choices made by the F. O. and I wouldn’t be surprised if (after this one stealth tanking/players developing the system season) quite all of them will be re signed next year with reasonable long term contracts... Expecially considering they all look like very good character guys...

I agree with this but was thinking during the game last night I should photo shop Roby's picture on a milk carton as we haven't seen much of him or KBD lately. Then KBD checks in and reminds us why he has been buried on the bench lately.

[The Truth #6]

I see Lyles and Romeo as different players/potential. Mobile power forward who might be a three point shooter role player versus potential defensive stopper who usually lacks motivation. But we’ll see.

[John B]

He’s very similar with Sochan in a lot of ways (plus the 3pt range). Both can push the ball, bully a defender to the rim, while playing the best point-of-attack defense on the opponents best offensive player. Stanley seamlessly substituted when Sochan sat-out for foul trouble. I never really followed the guy and I wonder how he’s a journeyman, because he seems a perfect 3andD plus more. I’m rooting for Stanley to make it with the Spurs, who I think appreciates his defensive plays.

[dbestpro]

damn. i didn't even know there were still some samanic followers in existence.

He is only 22 years old. Will turn 23 soon. This would be his rookie year if he were a four-year college player. He may make an NBA roster and become a rotational player at some point, still. We're gushing over 26-year-old Stanley, so there is time.

[John B]

He is only 22 years old. Will turn 23 soon. This would be his rookie year if he were a four-year college player. He may make an NBA roster and become a rotational player at some point, still. We're gushing over 26-year-old Stanley, so there is time.

Stanley us like Sochan who can potentially defend 1-5 so there’s a difference there, plus attitude, motor, much has been discussed. I’m one who rooted for Sananic and wish Spurs could give him another chance. But the comparison with Stanley is night and day.

[dbestpro]

Stanley us like Sochan who can potentially defend 1-5 so there’s a difference there, plus attitude, motor, much has been discussed. I’m one who rooted for Sananic and wish Spurs could give him another chance. But the comparison with Stanley is night and day.

Stanely Johnson at the age of 23 averaged 2.4 ppg, playing 6 mpg. At the same age, bad things were said about him too. Bad attitude got him suspended and one GM even told him he was just a bad basketball player. Maybe night and day in their game, but the trajectory could very well be the same.

[K...]

as always, the NBA is not "basketball" so samanic is good at basketball, but bad at being a team player. and being an NBA commodity the competition in the nba is pretty high, as a big, thats less true. But if you were a betting man you'd bet samamnic never does much in the NBA because most teams overvalue their own picks, and samanic has been a sore loser too many times to assume he'll mature. There's no problem with him turning on the light, being a good role player. but the spurs shouldn't pay him a cent until he gets it together.

[Seventyniner]

Through last season Stanley was a career 30% 3PT shooter over a pretty big sample size (322/1074). He has managed to his 6 of his 12 threes with the Spurs, but unless he has really retooled his stroke somehow I would expect him to hit around 30% of his threes from now on. That's not nearly enough to be a credible threat.

Don't get me wrong, I have been quite impressed with him in his 8 games with the Spurs. While distance shooting is very important it isn't the whole game. I just don't think we should expect him to be even an average three point shooter from now on.

[Maddog]

I continue to be unsure why Stanley Johnson wasn't on a team.

Yeah

And why has he bounced around so much. He's clearly got a good attitude and does the dirty work. Shot doesn't look completely broken

[Ocotillo]

so far, so good. Maybe it's a case of maturing due to the humility of realizing he was pretty close to playing somewhere where they don't speak a lot of English.

[Ocotillo]

One other sobering thought too, is Stanley Johnson is a Brian Wright lottery pick.

[Maddog]

so far, so good. Maybe it's a case of maturing due to the humility of realizing he was pretty close to playing somewhere where they don't speak a lot of English.
On more thorough look he did get suspended in Detroit for violating team rules. So maybe something has clicked.


One other sobering thought too, is Stanley Johnson is a Brian Wright lottery pick.

That's concerning. However it was a pretty low quality draft. He was the 8th pick, but 3 players taken above him are not currently in the NBA, and while clearly se exceptions not huge numbers taken after him.

[LeBowen]

Yeah

And why has he bounced around so much. He's clearly got a good attitude and does the dirty work. Shot doesn't look completely broken

Well, he got unlucky and got drafted by a dumpster fire organization, probably the biggest reason why he never fully developed into a player he could've been.
Pelicans never used him for some reason, he was a part of that Mirotic trade. Another dumpster tier franchise, this was back before David Griffin took over, iirc.

Then he got to Toronto, but even though they're good at developing players, they already had way too many similar players. He did have some amazing defensive performances there, though.

He was very good for the Lakers last season, most fans rated him as the best role-player, but in usual Pelinka fashion, they didn't offer him a deal.

Not being picked up this summer is really surprising, though.

As I said before, during those years everyone was crazy about drafting the next nephew and imo Stanley had the potential to develop into 2014 version of nephew. But didn't have any luck with the teams he played for and now he's here.
He will obviously never reach his full potential, but I think he's a class above KBD and should defininitely be offered a three year deal. Perfect backup forward.

Maybe I'm reaching, but Bruce was irrelevant until his late 20s and Danny didn't get a chance until he was 25.
I don't think Stanley can become a shooter on their level, but he's a great defender and with some improvements on both ends of the floor, he can certainly be a great glue guy for any playoff roster.

If we talk about future and eventually becoming a playoff team again, since nephew and Danny left, we got killed by every decent wing even during the regular season. With Jeremy and Stanley, wingstop can become a thing again. Obviously not on the same level, but not so far off it, either.

[exstatic]

One other sobering thought too, is Stanley Johnson is a Brian Wright lottery pick.

But a Detroit development project. Not really well known for producing top players out of the draft.

[slick'81]

It took Masai Ujiri of tor to tell stanley that he basically sucked at basketball to wake him up

[Mr. Body]

If Kawhi Leonard was drafted by the Pistons, he'd be a journeyman, too.

[exstatic]

If Kawhi Leonard was drafted by the Pistons, he'd be a journeyman, too.

I wonder what would have happened if we had drafted MKG or Aaron Gordon?

[CGD]

[sQUOTE=Mr. Body;10848281]If Kawhi Leonard was drafted by the Pistons, he'd be a journeyman, too.[/QUOTE]

That’s a bold take. I love the spurs system as much as the next guy, but player agency can’t be ignored. Some are motivated to be better players and people, others aren’t, and still another group recalibrates their expectations and/or get it together later.

[exstatic]

That’s a bold take. I love the spurs system as much as the next guy, but player agency can’t be ignored. Some are motivated to be better players and people, others aren’t, and still another group recalibrates their expectations and/or get it together later.

It takes both the player, and the development team, but if either is lacking, no superstar. This, of course, excludes natural, generational superstars drafted at the top like a Duncan or a LeBron. They are a law unto themselves.

[Mr. Body]

[sQUOTE=Mr. Body;10848281]If Kawhi Leonard was drafted by the Pistons, he'd be a journeyman, too.

That’s a bold take. I love the spurs system as much as the next guy, but player agency can’t be ignored. Some are motivated to be better players and people, others aren’t, and still another group recalibrates their expectations and/or get it together later.[/QUOTE]

It takes both but somehow we ignore how vital the team and franchise are. So many prospects go to bad teams and are doomed.

We as Americans are generally atrocious at recognizing how vital environment, development, and opportunity are in pretty much every way.

[heyheymymy]

Rookie player comps for Kawhi had him as an upper middle class man's Gearld Wallace. People forget how raw Leonard was at first. Tip of the cap because Kawhi did the work in the gym and honed his abilities through his talent, consistency and determination.

But no doubt Spurs development as well as having HOFers surround you right off the bat to start your career and immediately getting dropped into WCF/NBA Finals exp were also huge accelerators of Kawhi's development.

[The Truth #6]

It’s true. He came in as a great rebounder. I think that was my first impression.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If Kawhi Leonard was drafted by the Pistons, he'd be a journeyman, too.

This.

[exstatic]

He is only 22 years old. Will turn 23 soon. This would be his rookie year if he were a four-year college player. He may make an NBA roster and become a rotational player at some point, still. We're gushing over 26-year-old Stanley, so there is time.

He’s 22, and for two seasons, no NBA team has offered him a 15 man roster spot. He’s fucking lazy with a terrible attitude.

[ace3g]

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Stanley Johnson has shot 30.2% from three during his eight-year NBA career.He is 10-of-19 (52.6%) from behind the arc since joining the Spurs last month.

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Stanley Johnson has shot 30.2% from three during his eight-year NBA career.He is 11-of-20 (55.0%) from behind the arc since joining the Spurs last month.

[slick'81]

Stanley getting his vs his former team

[Mr. Body]

Stanley getting his vs his former team

Detroit Pistons: "Why tho"