What are the Spurs plans for Dougie McDermott moving foward?

[MultiTroll]

Since it would seem Sniffer as well as realist could have common ground that the Highest Paid Spur is not going to be on any future Spurs Championship teams....

Trade for __?

Let him continue to take minutes away from developing players this year then give him a cushy buyout 1/2 way thru next year, the contracts final year?

Be drinking buddies with Pop. Give him another contract, Patty Mills style at 12:01 a.m. the minute it's available?

Join Bryn Bryn, Matty Bonner, Michael Finley and a host of others who enjoyed being Pops Pets thus getting at least 4 years?

Miraculously land Wama in the draft and keep Dougie for any and all of the above reasons? He rings in 2026 and compares notes over drinks with BonBon?

[exstatic]

I believe he will not be in a Spurs uni past the day his contract ends, or, they get an offer of a positive asset for him, whichever comes first.

[Chinook]

I'd only trade McDermott in a deal that brings back a first unless he asks to be traded and there's an offer for positive value out there. I have no interest in the team picking up a bunch of dead salary, so I wouldn't want him swapped for a contract like Robinson.

That said, there's no reason to dump him now, or even after next year. It'll depend on where the team is. Depending on the draft and development, they might well take a win-now posture in 2024 and want to keep him. Realistically, though, I do think the team will end up not being a fit for what Doug can still do by then and will probably trade him before that unless he loves SA. It doesn't hurt that as good as some of the things he does are, he still doesn't stop them from losing games at all.

[jjspur]

I say we trade him to the lakers for Patrick Beverly (about even salaries) and then we flip Beverly to a team that needs a pg worse than us, possibly for a player(s) or a player and a pick. Chicago comes to mind. Their pg's always get injured.

If we can't flip him (although I think we could), he's better than what we currently have and he's an expiring contract on top of that. I would not cut him just to release him. That's just a waste of salary. McNuggets isn't worth a first so lets see what we can really get for him since he's not exactly valued in this town.

I know easier said than done but it's something to think about. :eyebrows

[exstatic]

I say we trade him to the lakers for Patrick Beverly (about even salaries) and then we flip Beverly to a team that needs a pg worse than us, possibly for a player(s) or a player and a pick. Chicago comes to mind. Their pg's always get injured.

If we can't flip him (although I think we could), he's better than what we currently have and he's an expiring contract on top of that. I would not cut him just to release him. That's just a waste of salary.

I know easier said than done but it's something to think about. :eyebrows

Patrick Beverly is certifiably crazy, and will never wear a Spurs uniform.

[jjspur]

Yeah Beverly is crazy for co co puffs, but my trade would ideally flip him for someone else , but the worse case is that we lose one year of paying McNuggets and we cut Beverly. Saves us 13 million in salary next year. Not too bad for a player that's not appreciated here. You might get a 2nd straight up for McNuggets but that's not really that much.

[spurs10]

He's having a good year so far, so I think he stays for a bit.

[heyheymymy]

Doug is perfect for the Spurs. Run him till he boosts his value and see if you can dump him for trade capital at the desperate deadline. if not, you have a tank commander in the meantime which could help your own draft capital increase in value.

[heyheymymy]

and Doug is prob a quality individual while he's here who has no problem keeping his pants on

[ismael-robert]

Keeping our best player

[DeRozan m8]

Who knows with these dumb fcks in charge

[slick'81]

Hes straight trash

[exstatic]

Hes straight trash

He’s not trash, but he has no business in a rebuild. He’d be a good bench piece on a contender. He’s JJ Redick, with worse luck in teams played for.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Tank Commander Doug "3 Fresh" McDermott.

por vida

#LockHimUp

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

He makes the team slightly better. Ship his ass out of here!

[exstatic]

He makes the team slightly better. Ship his ass out of here!

His net rating for the season is negative 9. He has the worst dRtg of any rotation player at 124. He’s our tank commander.

[MultiTroll]

he still doesn't stop them from losing games at all.
Contrary, he and Pop get super jacked up with the prospect of Ws, esp playing another tanker.
Look at these shooting stats in 5 very costly wins.

FGs / treys
6-11 4-5 Houston
5-8 3-5 Miami
3-7 3-5 Houston again
3-6 0-2 Cleveland, while not tanking a very costly 112-111 game that could and should have easily been an L in pursuit of Wama
8-16 7-14! Minny.

Several other W's he shot well in.
McForbesbot has been very detrimental to the Tank!


He’s not trash, but he has no business in a rebuild.
So why is he here?


His net rating for the season is negative 9. He has the worst dRtg of any rotation player at 124. He’s our tank commander.
Yes has contributed to L's too. Good part of why he is untradeable.
Yet he all fired up and right there with Grandpa pounding the scorers table going balls out for the Ws.
This is costly!

[MultiTroll]

He’s not trash, but he has no business in a rebuild.
Again, why is he here?
If it's to build up interest for the deadline, pretty sure other teams know exactly what McForbesbot can and cannot do. Doubt they are waiting.

Took 23 minutes away tonight vs Knicks and went 5-7 / 2-3 in what was damn near a win.
Rather then Sochan and the Spurs tanking, i think those last 2 out of bounds plays were just 2 more of Grandpas Specials in a long history of lame out of bounds calls.

Why - is - he - here?

[exstatic]

Again, why is he here?
If it's to build up interest for the deadline, pretty sure other teams know exactly what McForbesbot can and cannot do. Doubt they are waiting.

Took 23 minutes away tonight vs Knicks and went 5-7 / 2-3 in what was damn near a win.
Rather then Sochan and the Spurs tanking, i think those last 2 out of bounds plays were just 2 more of Grandpas Specials in a long history of lame out of bounds calls.

Why - is - he - here?

Because nothing happens until deadline day. It was freakishly early last year when Boston grabbed Derrick in January, but they determined who they wanted, and pulled the trigger. It paid off for them with a Finals appearance. Most teams aren’t that confident or sure of what their needs are. By the deadline,you have contenders and battlers for position that have a shopping list. Doug would be a far better piece on a contender with some bench defensive chops that can cover for him.

[K...]

Again, why is he here?
If it's to build up interest for the deadline, pretty sure other teams know exactly what McForbesbot can and cannot do. Doubt they are waiting.

Took 23 minutes away tonight vs Knicks and went 5-7 / 2-3 in what was damn near a win.
Rather then Sochan and the Spurs tanking, i think those last 2 out of bounds plays were just 2 more of Grandpas Specials in a long history of lame out of bounds calls.

Why - is - he - here?

arent you the same tool who posted the "who isn't tanking" so now you want to complain that a middling veteran sucks? pick a lane dude. I want 5 dougs on my tank team.

[MultiTroll]

arent you the same tool who posted the "who isn't tanking" so now you want to complain that a middling veteran sucks? pick a lane dude. I want 5 dougs on my tank team.
Highest paid Spur.
Taking minutes from developers.
Is *helping* win games, which is bad for Wama pursuit.

Are you just irritable and cranky or did you have a legit question?

[MultiTroll]

Because nothing happens until deadline day.
Which is Feb 9th.

Ok if this is all leading up to a trade piece then great. So much positivity going into this season as it seems there was unity of direction that a fully embraced rebuild was the growth plan.

If Dougie ends up being another one of Pops Pets who steals minutes up until he's bought out or his bloated contract just runs out.....:pctoss

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Highest paid Spur.

Wait, I know it's just a schtick, but are we now complaining that the highest paid Spur is good or bad?


Taking minutes from developers.

He doesn't take minutes from them, but he provides great spacing for them to operate with the ball and develop.


Is *helping* win games, which is bad for Wama pursuit.


Nah, objective stats say he doesn't affect winning games.

[MultiTroll]

Wait, I know it's just a schtick, but are we now complaining that the highest paid Spur is good or bad?

He doesn't take minutes from them, but he provides great spacing for them to operate with the ball and develop.

Nah, objective stats say he doesn't affect winning games.
1. You'll need to translate. I can decipher most Sniffer language but not all.
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2. So why aren't other teams clamoring for McD in a trade?

3. You points 2 and 3 contradict each other.
Already posted the stats in 5 wins Dougie most certainly contributed to. Now another near miss vs the Knicks.

[Mr. Body]

It feels like there should be some interest from teams that need shooting, such as Denver, but Eric Gordon's also out there.

[Sugus]

3. You points 2 and 3 contradict each other.

Once again, you show your buffonesque lack of understanding of the game. While also having the galls to diminish others' opinions and call yourself a "realist"... Idiocracy was a documentary on American culture, straight up, and it just premiered 15 years too early.

BG's points were perfectly coherent. A player can absolutely provide positive spacing for developing players, helping the paint to be uncluttered by dragging defenders away, so youngings can practice paint drives and moves, or also bail them out of bad possessions by giving them a pass option, while also sucking enough on defense to have his overall impact on winning be negative. You, of all people, should know this by now, since you're obsessed with 2 poster-boys for this quality: Forbes and Mills.


Already posted the stats in 5 wins Dougie most certainly contributed to.

You posted counting stats :lol and not even complete shooting splits at that :lmao

Now do advanced stats for Dougie, if you can even comprehend them. Try not to fall ass-backwards into contradicting this narrative of yours in the process, though! Lest you show more of the clown behind the screen. I hear the makeup holds well...

[Sugus]

It feels like there should be some interest from teams that need shooting, such as Denver, but Eric Gordon's also out there.

It's feeling like EG will get himself one last chance this deadline. He's hollering his desire to get out of H-town, and no doubt teams have listened. He's the more known quantity and will likely be gone before Dougie, even though I'd be quite skeptical of his ability to get it done through multiple playoff series.

I'd say Dougie's the better asset/player, but defense is half the game, sadly, and more so in the playoffs.

[MultiTroll]

You sure showed me.

[K...]

You sure showed me.


didn't you post this thread in the manner of question? now you're bitching that you got answered?

[Sugus]

didn't you post this thread in the manner of question? now you're bitching that you got answered?

:lmao

[DPG21920]

It's feeling like EG will get himself one last chance this deadline. He's hollering his desire to get out of H-town, and no doubt teams have listened. He's the more known quantity and will likely be gone before Dougie, even though I'd be quite skeptical of his ability to get it done through multiple playoff series.

I'd say Dougie's the better asset/player, but defense is half the game, sadly, and more so in the playoffs.

Gordons defense has been just as bad though lol….but I’m guessing teams will think they can save him and his effort will come back when he’s not in hell

[Sugus]

Gordons defense has been just as bad though lol….but I’m guessing teams will think they can save him and his effort will come back when he’s not in hell

Yeah, he's been looking simply washed this season. But there's many teams willing to risk trading for him in hopes of getting "Old EG" for at least a playoff series or two, who's admittedly the much better player over McBuckets. I'm skeptical of it happening, and glad the Spurs aren't on the mix for it, or any other thing coming out of H-Town for that matter... :vomit:

[DPG21920]

Yeah, he's been looking simply washed this season. But there's many teams willing to risk trading for him in hopes of getting "Old EG" for at least a playoff series or two, who's admittedly the much better player over McBuckets. I'm skeptical of it happening, and glad the Spurs aren't on the mix for it, or any other thing coming out of H-Town for that matter... :vomit:

A lot of people are high on HOU youth…I see the “talent” but I am not as hopeful they will be winners as some others.

[Mr. Body]

A lot of people are high on HOU youth…I see the “talent” but I am not as hopeful they will be winners as some others.

Problem is most of them are chucklefucks. You may get Greene and KPJ and Eason and their host of other idiots to play winning team basketball, but I doubt it. They're going to win possessions and games here or there, sometimes spectacularly, but not a lot of them. No wonder Eric Gordon has checked out.

[Ocotillo]

Might be interested in Ty Ty, Sengun or Jabari Smith Jr. if any of them fall out of favor and become available as reclamation projects. I am not interested in the Diva wannabes that Mr. Body mentions in the prior post.

[cd98]

I think the plan is simple...let him score 17 and give up 33. Team tank.

[Mr. Body]

Might be interested in Ty Ty, Sengun or Jabari Smith Jr. if any of them fall out of favor and become available as reclamation projects. I am not interested in the Diva wannabes that Mr. Body mentions in the prior post.

Yeah, those seem to be good ones. I think Smith was always a high-level role player, and so a very expensive one. TyTy hasn't gotten off the bench much, so may not be ready? Hard to know since their coach is pretty terrible.

[exstatic]

Problem is most of them are chucklefucks. You may get Greene and KPJ and Eason and their host of other idiots to play winning team basketball, but I doubt it. They're going to win possessions and games here or there, sometimes spectacularly, but not a lot of them. No wonder Eric Gordon has checked out.

I can’t believe they fucking paid KPJ. He’s the modern day JR Smith, total dumbass, and thinks he’s several levels better than he actually is.

[KingKev]

I can’t believe they fucking paid KPJ. He’s the modern day JR Smith, total dumbass, and thinks he’s several levels better than he actually is.

Have you seen how it is structured? Annual team options.

He is easily more talented than anyone on our team so if motivated that contract might look like a steal with little downside.

[Mr. Body]

Have you seen how it is structured? Annual team options.

He is easily more talented than anyone on our team so if motivated that contract might look like a steal with little downside.

I mean, one, he's never going to be motivated in the right way. Two, he's not as talented as you think. Three, it's not about his contract so much as actually putting him on the floor, which is stupid.

[scott]

Every team needs veteran tank commanders. You can't just have a bunch of kids running around playing non-stop chucker ball, that's how you end up being the Rockets.

In 86-87, we had Dave Greenwood, Artis Gilmore and a few others aside the "promising youth" of Alvin Robertson, Walter Berry and Johnny Dawkins.

in 96-97, we had Nique Wilkins and Vinny Del Negro leading the charge in the sneaky tank.

Even in 88-89, we still had vets like Frank Brickowski and Dave Greenwood contributing serious minutes while building up the young core in anticipation of The Admiral and whoever we would pick in the next draft (Sean Elliott). TBH, the that "young core" or Alvin Robertson, Willie Anderson, Johnny Dawkins, Cadillac Anderson and Vernon Maxwell is kind of similar to what we have now... we just don't have a David Robinson waiting in the wings to go along with another high draft pick.

[MultiTroll]

didn't you post this thread in the manner of question? now you're bitching that you got answered?
:lol Saccharine didn't answer shit. Babbled a bunch of straw and gave no constructive answers all while avoiding the OP question.

So what are the plans for Dougie? "Provide spacing til time indefinite" is all you got?

[MultiTroll]

I believe he will not be in a Spurs uni past the day his contract ends, or, they get an offer of a positive asset for him, whichever comes first.
The problem is his contract runs thru 23-24.
If now or in the end no one is going to offer anything for him, what is the point of keeping him.
Below is an idea to shed 23-24's McForbesbotts salary:


I say we trade him to the lakers for Patrick Beverly (about even salaries) and then we flip Beverly to a team that needs a pg worse than us, possibly for a player(s) or a player and a pick. Chicago comes to mind. Their pg's always get injured.

If we can't flip him (although I think we could), he's better than what we currently have and he's an expiring contract on top of that. I would not cut him just to release him. That's just a waste of salary. McNuggets isn't worth a first so lets see what we can really get for him since he's not exactly valued in this town.

I know easier said than done but it's something to think about. :eyebrows


Yeah Beverly is crazy for co co puffs, but my trade would ideally flip him for someone else , but the worse case is that we lose one year of paying McNuggets and we cut Beverly. Saves us 13 million in salary next year. Not too bad for a player that's not appreciated here. You might get a 2nd straight up for McNuggets but that's not really that much.

[MultiTroll]

I think the plan is simple...let him score 17 and give up 33. Team tank.
Seems like a number of players on the Spurs bench could and are doing the same thing.
But Dougie gets all fired up with a gleam in his eye when playing other bottom tier teams and.or 4th qtr close games that are very losable.

Well let's see what the trade deadline brings.

[offset formation]

Might be interested in Ty Ty, Sengun or Jabari Smith Jr. if any of them fall out of favor and become available as reclamation projects. I am not interested in the Diva wannabes that Mr. Body mentions in the prior post.

I'd say no one would be so stupid as to trade away Sengun, but the Rockets, as currently managed, might just be.

[exstatic]

The problem is his contract runs thru 23-24.
If now or in the end no one is going to offer anything for him, what is the point of keeping him.
Below is an idea to shed 23-24's McForbesbotts salary:

So? That only one more season. You act like it’s Duncan Robinson’s awful deal, and not just another expendable $14M.

[K...]

I'd say no one would be so stupid as to trade away Sengun, but the Rockets, as currently managed, might just be.

No comment. Just wow, mr “i scored 33points“ is in the never trade camp.

[MultiTroll]

So? That only one more season. You act like it’s Duncan Robinson’s awful deal, and not just another expendable $14M.
Was or was there not a rebuild in earnest started this past summer?
Why continue to waste a spot taking up 14 million for yet another year and a half?

I agree with the poster below regarding McDermott:


He’s not trash, but he has no business in a rebuild. He’d be a good bench piece on a contender.

[offset formation]

No comment. Just wow, mr “i scored 33points“ is in the never trade camp.

He's already shaking out to be one of the best picks in that draft class and was as I recall only the 2nd youngest behind Flash Daddy. It'd be stupid to trade him at this point until or unless you can get commensurate value for him.

What would you trade him for? Peanuts it sounds like.

[BacktoBasics]

He's already shaking out to be one of the best picks in that draft class and was as I recall only the 2nd youngest behind Flash Daddy. It'd be stupid to trade him at this point until or unless you can get commensurate value for him.

What would you trade him for? Peanuts it sounds like.
He’s had a few nice statistical games but he’s not made them better in any way.

[K...]

He's already shaking out to be one of the best picks in that draft class and was as I recall only the 2nd youngest behind Flash Daddy. It'd be stupid to trade him at this point until or unless you can get commensurate value for him.

What would you trade him for? Peanuts it sounds like.

every year there's usually a rookie to show out and score gaudy numbers, but then fade into mediocrity. you don't usually trade your FRP in their rookie deal anyway, so houston is not likely to trade him, but a team that bad can't invest in a rookie. They should trade him if the get an offer like the spurs got murray. Sengun is about at that level at present. one or two time all star. HE is supposed to be ahead of other rookies because he was a high floor guy. houston got good value with the draft, but they are toast if their other FRP don't improve. If they don't improve then trade sengun for more picks and keep the tank going. Until Sengun shows several years of consistent growth he's not the answer to the question "is this the franchise". Maybe he's the next kawhi or jokic but odds are not on that side.

[MultiTroll]

Hes straight trash


He’s not trash, but he has no business in a rebuild.


Because nothing happens until deadline day.
Which came and went.
There is NO good reason to play him now in anything other then a Loss.



Nah, objective stats say he doesn't affect winning games.
7-15 and 5-9 on treys tonight.

Twas a beautiful 16 straight and perfect Rodeo Road Trip. Yet no good reason to end the streak tonight.
Unless Dougies defense was even worse then his usual All NBA Worst D, he helped win tonight.

[CGD]

Theyre probably grooming him to be an assistant coach or something.

[DrSteffo]

They need at least one vet who knows the game of basketball. Dieng might be too old.

[John B]

Doug is a professional shooter and can help a contender. I exoect Spurs to trade his expiring contract come trade next season deadline

[KingKev]

Doug is a professional shooter and can help a contender. I exoect Spurs to trade his expiring contract come trade next season deadline

For 3 SRPs and a bad contract.

[Seventyniner]

Doug is a professional shooter and can help a contender. I exoect Spurs to trade his expiring contract come trade next season deadline

Four more second rounders baby.

[slick'81]

Four more second rounders baby.


load up that 2rp treasure chest

[MultiTroll]

Doug is a professional shooter and can help a contender. I exoect Spurs to trade his expiring contract come trade next season deadline
And what will Dougie be doing in the meantime?

[MultiTroll]

load up that 2rp treasure chest
Wonder what team will give one 2RP, let alone 2+ for Dougie.

[John B]

Actually Doug is not bad. In a contender where he will get open shots, McBuckets will be sinking those. I’d keep him during Championship years. He moves well through screens, fast release, and the ability to get to the basket with that stretched layup, nothing worst than Beli or Patty.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Cut him. He cost us a loss last night. That's not acceptable.

[MultiTroll]

Go Dougie n Pop!.


Go Dougie n Pop!.


My vag is tingling. Go Dougie n Pop.
:cheer:pop::cheer Charlotte is only a game back in the loss column. But it's so much better for you to have seen Pop n Dougie combine for another win. Yay!
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[Mr. Body]

I can see Dougie Fresh sticking around, helping as a vet presence for the young guys. His attitude seems great and I could see him picking his way into coaching down the line.

[slick'81]

Doug will be dumped next season

[Atl Spur]

Doug will be dumped next season

I hope not:(

[exstatic]

Doug will be dumped next season

If we don't score Wemby, that could happen. He'd be better for a contender than on a long rebuild.

[rankingtear]

Zollins said they are learning a lot of the off ball movement stuff from Dougie.

[MultiTroll]

FiveThirtyRaptor WAR ranking compared to player at that rank in 2022-2023 NBA Salaries less Spurs player salary.
Tre Jones was ranked 65th by Raptor, Jarrett Allen had the 65th highest salary.

$18217379 Tre Jones 65th Jarrett Allen
$4146289 Kieta Bates-Diop 204th Jevon Carter
$3207600 Devin Vassell 182nd Scottie Barnes
$2662800 Zach Collins 145th Alec Burks
$2491109 Dominick Barlow 298th Kevin Knox
$1422164 Charles Bassey 260th Stanley Johnson
$1393242 Julian Champagnie 396th Davon Reed
$1003357 Sandro Mamukelashvili 509th AJ Green
$855924 Keldon Johnson 235th Ty Jerome
-$848400 Jeremy Sochan 251st Tyrese Haliburton
-$1419137 Romeo Langford 251st Tyrese Haliburton
-$1519320 Joshua Primo 326th Trey Lyles
-$2193187 Brandon Wesley 537th Alize Johnson [537th out of 538]
-$2343484 Gorgui Dieng 513th Dominick Barlow
-$2753405 Malaki Branham 538th Kostas Antetokounmpo [538th out of 538]
-$4247800 Devonte' Graham 187th Jaden Ivey
-$5103982 Khen Birch 442nd Jose Alvarado
-$13495554 Doug McDermott 529th Alondes William [529 out of 538]
You Dougie supporters want to run another half year for a 67th round draft pick in 2078?

Or just have Pop buy him out Pet Style?

[EricB]

On a rebuilding team, McDermott has far little downside.

he’s nothing but a plus in what he teaches and he’s good on offense for the young guys.

only way you move him unless someone like Sacramento, or Phoenix comes knocking wanting to improve their depth.

[rankingtear]

He is the most impactful player in terms of on court development. The difference with him and star vets is that what he does is replicable. He had the ball in his hands in college and transitioned into one of the best off ball guys in the league, same thing our young guys would have to adjust to.

[MultiTroll]

Why exactly is it no contenders picked him up?

[cd98]

The biggest problem with McDermott is that he made too many three point shots and moved too well without the ball such that it made some of our games competitive. The guy was a big risk to our tanking and probably should've been "injured" just like Sochan, Vassell, and Johnson.

Heck, Denver Nuggets Fans were telling me that if they could have one player on our roster, it would be Dougie. Probably because he lit them up in what was an unfortunate win for the Spurs.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Certainly he's someone I hope the Spurs move in the offseason. Not a hater, just don't see what he'd bring by keeping him around...keep the losses a little closer perhaps? Wemby in the fold and a lot of positive roster changes may convince me he'd be decent in a limited role, but as the odds sit right now I'd say no gracias.