Who does not want the Spurs to tank?

[MultiTroll]

Get in here and rep.

Ya ya the perfect situation is develop players, play very well but still lose.

Still the bottom line is win or lose. Do you want the team to risk winning.
Yes or No.

What are you?

I am team Wama pursuit / team Tank 100%

[Chinook]

Stop being weird, bro.

[MultiTroll]

Stop being weird, bro.
100% legit question.

[heyheymymy]

::crickets::

[BacktoBasics]

We’re splitting hairs. Tankers at best might improve their odds in the slightest most inconsequential way. Playing to win, the optics to prospective players and development of our own players arguably speaks to bigger long term gains.

We’re naturally going to fall into a high pick. Might as well reap the benefits of pushing a winning culture even if it doesn’t materialize.

[TrainOfThought5]

I don’t think tanking for one year hurts anything, substantially. Let’s tank this year, get the best pick possible (Wambamthankyamaam or Scoot) sign a couple FA’s, trade for a couple pieces, and get back to our winning ways next year come hell or high water.

[TrainOfThought5]

I don’t think tanking for one year hurts anything, substantially. Let’s tank this year, get the best pick possible (Wambamthankyamaam or Scoot) sign a couple FA’s, trade for a couple pieces, and get back to our winning ways next year come hell or high water.

[slick'81]

Tankings for pussies

[Mr. Body]

Losing games on purpose to get your precious 14% is kind of dumb. You wouldn't consider a 14% chance of your dad coming back or your mother loving you to be great odds.

[The Truth #6]

I think they need to make some tough choices. To expect to get Victor is stupid but they still need to tank so they can get, ideally, a top 5 pick, whoever that is. We need talent and because we started the tank so late in the rebuild we have players already making mini-leaps. Don’t get me wrong, we still suck and overachieve but we will be better next year. This is the year to tank. The fanbase won’t support years and years of sucking. Anyway. A lot of factors. Get rid of Josh immediately.

[ismael-robert]

This question had some interest at beginning of season but at this point when they've shown they're in bottom of league it seems pointless to try to turn it around n start winning now

[MultiTroll]

You wouldn't consider a 14% chance of your dad coming back or your mother living you to be great odds.
Could you explain this?
Perhaps edit.

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We’re splitting hairs. Tankers at best might improve their odds in the slightest most inconsequential way. Playing to win, the optics to prospective players and development of our own players arguably speaks to bigger long term gains.

We’re naturally going to fall into a high pick. Might as well reap the benefits of pushing a winning culture even if it doesn’t materialize.

Disagree. Generalational talents don't grow on trees.

Everyone and their mother pushing the winning culture line will rightfully be mocked if Wembanyama goes to one of the top 3 teams and we ate outside of that. Especially given that at present, there's no hope whatsoever to improving beyond at best, a borderline play-in team.
So for all the jibberish about spoken here and other spurs fan sites of building a winning culture, it means nothing if: 1. no free agents of worth a damn will sign here right now anyways and 2. you're season is a success if you make the play-in round.

Again, Michael Jordans are few and far between nor do they show up in every draft. This kid has that ceiling. And even if he doesn't reach such lofty heights, he'll undoubtedly lead a well-built team to a chip or two. You do not pass on that opportunity, just so you can hurry up to finish 7th.

[JPB]

Losing games on purpose to get your precious 14% is kind of dumb. You wouldn't consider a 14% chance of your dad coming back or your mother loving you to be great odds.

So, you really don't wanna understand that it's not Vic or nothing? Or you just can't?

And I'll pass on the grotesque parents comparison... It's sports, dude. no one is dying if Spurs do'nt get the first pick. The correct comparison should be:

If you can have 14% to be a billionaire or you'll "just" be half a millionaire by tanking, is it really stupid to try? Someone IS gonna get Victor anyway. And that'll certainly be a tanking team...

[LeBowen]

So, you really don't wanna understand that it's not Vic or nothing? Or you just can't?

And I'll pass on the grotesque parents comparison... It's sports, dude. no one is dying if Spurs do'nt get the first pick. The correct comparison should be:

If you can have 14% to be a billionaire or you'll "just" be half a millionaire by tanking, is it really stupid to try? Someone IS gonna get Victor anyway. And that'll certainly be a tanking team...

I tried explaining it to him on another topic and now he comes back with the same horrible take. Pointless to even try anymore.

In short, teams tank to guarantee themselves a top5 pick, more or less. Having best odds to win the lottery is a bonus.

[poopbox]

This team isn't tanking. They are just a bad basketball team. They are perfectly capable of losing these games without any self sabotage

[Mr. Body]

So, you really don't wanna understand that it's not Vic or nothing? Or you just can't?

And I'll pass on the grotesque parents comparison... It's sports, dude. no one is dying if Spurs do'nt get the first pick. The correct comparison should be:

If you can have 14% to be a billionaire or you'll "just" be half a millionaire by tanking, is it really stupid to try? Someone IS gonna get Victor anyway. And that'll certainly be a tanking team...

I'm kind of enjoying your whining about the parent thing. Touch a nerve? And your own analogy doesn't begin to grasp the cultural problems of tanking.

Spurs are doing the right thing. Develop your players. Try to win games. The difference between bare percentage points isn't worth a culture of losing.

I'm begging to realize why so many people get suckered by casinos.

[Sugus]

Stop being weird, bro.

[cd98]

Tanking is for the realists. Trying to win as many games as possible to score a play-in loss and a late lottery pick and think the Spurs will become title contenders is a fantasy. We were only good all those years because we tanked for Robinson and then tanked for Duncan and got lucky. We aren't getting a superstar in free agency. Imagine what the Spurs development group could do with top 3 pick talent.

[Gagnrath]

I want the spurs to win the NBA finals every year, however since that doesn't seem super feasible this season lets see if we can't get a good draft pick for rebuilding.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

spurs goal should be player development and scouting. we need our younguns rested and ready for summer league tbh. if we miss a few dozen games here and there on account of DNP, so be it

[Fireball]

this team does not need to lose on purpose ... they clearly are a bottom 4 team in the league. if they were better I would want them to tank ...

[baseline bum]

Tanking is for the realists. Trying to win as many games as possible to score a play-in loss and a late lottery pick and think the Spurs will become title contenders is a fantasy. We were only good all those years because we tanked for Robinson and then tanked for Duncan and got lucky. We aren't getting a superstar in free agency. Imagine what the Spurs development group could do with top 3 pick talent.

Don't really buy that the 86-87 Spurs tanked. They were a 28 win team while the 85-86 team won at the same 28 win pace once Johnny Moore got sick. And calling 96-97 a tank doesn't make a lot of sense either since what were they supposed to do, rush David Robinson back after breaking his foot and destroy his career like we saw with Walton?

[MultiTroll]

And calling 96-97 a tank doesn't make a lot of sense either since what were they supposed to do, rush David Robinson back after breaking his foot and destroy his career like we saw with Walton?
Robinson was fully healed and cleared to play.
Even tho sitting Robinson was the 100 right thing to do and helped us land the true foundation of Championships that being Duncan, it was nonetheless a tank.

[John B]

I think PATFO is doing a great job with keeping the Spurs a chance at top pick, while developing players in the process. Already we know Keldon and especially Devin are becoming true go-to players, Sochan emerging as another ballhandler, Zollins has been playing tough, if he can manage not to get fouled-out, but I love his motor and fight. Branham lately has shown he can knockdown shots and starting to also become another facilitator. Tre, Poeltl, even Bassey. They’ve all have shown promising progress.

As mentioned, I only watch the 1st half, where I know Spurs will play good. And after that you’ll have Pop throwing the game for the tank, once he sees what he wants. People worry too much about the score, instead of how players play within a set play, situations. Vassell for instance has been clutch, and promise to be a real good go-to player. It’s a long season. I focus on the good things :bobo

[MultiTroll]

this team does not need to lose on purpose ... they clearly are a bottom 4 team in the league. if they were better I would want them to tank ...
Bottom 4 at the end of season?
5th 6th and 7th are right on the Spurs tails.
Spurs do need to occasionally tank the final minute or two.

Remember the truly tanking teams go really low the last month of the season. Last year Grandpa Adulation Seeker seized that to rack up meaningless and extremely costly wins the last month. This year already:

112-111 over Cavs
126-122 over Jazz (after Jazz closed to -3, Trey Jones went all out for two baskets in last 35 seconds)
111-111 tied with Heat with 1:30 to go, Spurs went on to win.

These were very costly wins.

[baseline bum]

Robinson was fully healed and cleared to play.
Even tho sitting Robinson was the 100 right thing to do and helped us land the true foundation of Championships that being Duncan, it was nonetheless a tank.

Meh if they were tanking they would have never brought David back from his back injury when they were 3-15. Would have been retarded to rush him back after breaking his foot in the sixth game he was back.

[MultiTroll]

rush him back
Rush? :lol

The prognosis at the time Dec 23rd was 6 weeks was plenty of time to heal. Link:
Robinson Breaks Bone in Left Foot, Will Miss About Six Weeks - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com) (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-12-24-sp-12159-story.html#:~:text=Dec.%2024%2C%201996%2012%20AM%2 0PT%20From%20Associated,night%E2%80%99s%2090-79%20loss%20to%20Miami%20at%20San%20Antonio.)

Dec 24 thus 6 weeks = around Feb 1st week.
Hell, extend it to mid Feb. Or go all the way to March 1st. March 15th even.

Spurs tanked.

[BacktoBasics]

Disagree. Generalational talents don't grow on trees.

Everyone and their mother pushing the winning culture line will rightfully be mocked if Wembanyama goes to one of the top 3 teams and we ate outside of that. Especially given that at present, there's no hope whatsoever to improving beyond at best, a borderline play-in team.
So for all the jibberish about spoken here and other spurs fan sites of building a winning culture, it means nothing if: 1. no free agents of worth a damn will sign here right now anyways and 2. you're season is a success if you make the play-in round.

Again, Michael Jordans are few and far between nor do they show up in every draft. This kid has that ceiling. And even if he doesn't reach such lofty heights, he'll undoubtedly lead a well-built team to a chip or two. You do not pass on that opportunity, just so you can hurry up to finish 7th.So you want to tear down a culture and this organizations DNA for what? A 20% chance at something that might work out.

No. No rational person does that.

[Mr. Body]

So you want to tear down a culture and this organizations DNA for what? A 20% chance at something that might work out.

No. No rational person does that.

Yeah. It's pretty much how teams like the Wizards become the Wizards.

[MultiTroll]

So you want to tear down a cultureAbsolutely want to tear down, burn and spread the ashes over Riverwalk on this:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/bryn-forbes-and-patty-mills-of-the-san-antonio-spurs-talk-against-the-picture-id901301050

and this:
1122359244324360192

For a chance to return to this:
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.LuYoI_HaFGut6sRjnFx-zAHaLD?pid=ImgDet&rs=1

[BacktoBasics]

Absolutely want to tear down, burn and spread the ashes over Riverwalk on this:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/bryn-forbes-and-patty-mills-of-the-san-antonio-spurs-talk-against-the-picture-id901301050

and this:
1122359244324360192

For a chance to return to this:
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.LuYoI_HaFGut6sRjnFx-zAHaLD?pid=ImgDet&rs=1I've never thought you to be a real fan to begin with. If this is what you visualize as our culture you should find another team.

[baseline bum]

So you want to tear down a culture and this organizations DNA for what? A 20% chance at something that might work out.

No. No rational person does that.

Kawhi Leonard already tore down the team's culture. That ship has sailed.

[rjv]

So you want to tear down a culture and this organizations DNA for what? A 20% chance at something that might work out.

No. No rational person does that.

14% chance-at best.

[MultiTroll]

I've never thought you to be a real fan to begin with. If this is what you visualize as our culture you should find another team.
If what has happened since Zaza is what you visualize as good culture you should find another team.

[Mugen]

"Culture" :lmao

[BacktoBasics]

Kawhi Leonard already tore down the team's culture. That ship has sailed.

He was the problem not the organization.

[jjspur]

I see two types of tanking:
One is where the team simply doesn't have talent. The front office signs mediocre players to large contracts who don't produce or players who get injured a lot or just don't play well. They try to win but don't because of lack of talent on the floor. Towards the end of the season when they know they don't have enough wins, they just say screw it and play their 2nd and third stringers for a hope on a lucky bounce in the lottery.

The other type of tanking is when the team does have some talent but the coaches/front office keep certain players deliberately out of games thus "hopefully" insuring a loss and a better chance in the lottery. This will only get them a chance for a top pick but not a guarantee that the team will make the right choice (GOAT Michael Jordan wasn't the first pick). That's on top of another team making an offer to the team in front of your position in the draft or many other variables that may arise at that point.

I know why teams tank, I'm just not a fan of it, especially when tradable players and assets and salary are available now rather than waiting for something that may or may not happen later. Its a choice that teams make, its just not always the best one.

Last time I checked "The process" hadn't produced a conference or an NBA champ yet.

[KingKev]

MultiTroll tell em!!

[Dverde]

Definitely okay with tanking. Spurs need a top 3 pick and those don’t fall off trees.

[playblair]

i dont........how can u cheer for a team to tank for a greg oden clone........

[spurraider21]

i dont........how can u cheer for a team to tank for a greg oden clone........
coming from the guy who stans a 6'6 clone of greg oden?

[Mugen]

coming from the guy who stans a 6'6 clone of greg oden?

:lol

[JPB]

I'm kind of enjoying your whining about the parent thing. Touch a nerve? And your own analogy doesn't begin to grasp the cultural problems of tanking.

Spurs are doing the right thing. Develop your players. Try to win games. The difference between bare percentage points isn't worth a culture of losing.

I'm begging to realize why so many people get suckered by casinos.

Lol, how old are you? "whining", 'touch a nerve?"..this is basketball, no one (besides you) is here to get validation on a freaking board... But I guess other people will stop trying to explain you spurs odds at getting a great pick are very big... And that it has nothing to do with gambling, but more like investing.

[benefactor]

coming from the guy who stans a 6'6 clone of greg oden?
:lol

[TD 21]

So you want to tear down a culture and this organizations DNA for what? A 20% chance at something that might work out.

No. No rational person does that.

If this is what you visualize as our culture you should find another team.

:lmao The precious "culture" left when Duncan and Ginobili retired and the dynasty wasn't founded on that, but what all of them are: a combination of great talent and fit.

Trying in vain to maintain that is arrogant, foolish and tone deaf. The league is 75-80% black, the majority of which are from the inner city and they mostly don't identify with it.

By the way, it's a 28% chance for Wembanyama and Henderson if you finish last and a guaranteed top 5 pick. Find me better odds of a non glamor market getting a young centerpiece.



Last time I checked "The process" hadn't produced a conference or an NBA champ yet.

:lmao "The process" produced a MVP caliber player, another borderline All-NBA player (for a while) and gave them the opportunity to draft another borderline MVP player (Tatum).

Embiid being annually injured in the playoffs, Simmons and him being terrible fits, Fultz going bust and their inability to make the pieces fit (until now) don't change the fact that it was a rousing success.

[JPB]

For the sake of it, "culture" and "DNA" are nothing without top players and a competitive team.. D-Rob, Tim, Manu, TP, Bowen... made the culture... Nephew broke it.

[Jordan Jackson]

This team has won like what 32, 33 and 34 games the last few seasons while TRYING to win for the CULTURE.

Hate to break it to some of you - we have a culture, a losing one. All the player development in the world is not changing that.
I’ll gladly take that 14% over whatever the hell they’ve been doing the last few years.

[KingKev]

^ our culture is that of delusion.

There is plenty of culture in Las Vegas, Vancouver and Seattle. That selling price for the Suns will have more minority owners wanting to cash in….

[offset formation]

So you want to tear down a culture and this organizations DNA for what? A 20% chance at something that might work out.

No. No rational person does that.

Where did I say tear down the DNA? This team is bad enough to only max out in the 6-8, maybe even 10 range if oher factors broke our way. So how does one guarantee that bottom 3 finish? Get rid of Poeltl -- news every week of new potential suitors. Get rid of JRich. Get rid of McB.

Those 3 vets are good enough to elevate this team's ceiling by 4 or 5 spots, if starting near the bottom.

Any other finishing touches around d the edges to lock in a bottom 3 spot would be simple GameDay coaching decisions and minutes delegation within games. Play the rooks in crunchtime. Use odd lineups. Sit a Vassell or Johnson on back to backs or against other marginally talented teams. DNA still intact. Win-win.

[jjspur]

:lmao The precious "culture" left when Duncan and Ginobili retired and the dynasty wasn't founded on that, but what all of them are: a combination of great talent and fit.

Trying in vain to maintain that is arrogant, foolish and tone deaf. The league is 75-80% black, the majority of which are from the inner city and they mostly don't identify with it.

By the way, it's a 28% chance for Wembanyama and Henderson if you finish last and a guaranteed top 5 pick. Find me better odds of a non glamor market getting a young centerpiece.




:lmao "The process" produced a MVP caliber player, another borderline All-NBA player (for a while) and gave them the opportunity to draft another borderline MVP player (Tatum).

Embiid being annually injured in the playoffs, Simmons and him being terrible fits, Fultz going bust and their inability to make the pieces fit (until now) don't change the fact that it was a rousing success.

Lets do a comparison: Like you said the 76ers with the process have a MVP caliber player, another borderline All-NBA player (for a while) and gave them the opportunity to draft another borderline MVP player (Tatum) Very nice pieces yes, but no chip or any kind of trophy or ring to show for all their tanking.

The Golden state Warriors on the other hand have 4 championships and 5 western conference titles with only two players drafted in the top 7 and no #1 picks in the last 10 years It seems good trading, smart drafting and a willingness to go over the cap gets more chips than tanking. That also applies to the six other teams with championship rings (including our spurs) that didn't tank.

So this isn't about team culture or anything. Tanking can get you so far, but making smart basketball decisions can historically get you further. For at least a decade its been an option that has worked. Tanking for the bottom of the standings and then slowly moving up, not so much. You can't change history.

[MultiTroll]

For at least a decade its been an option that has worked. Tanking for the bottom of the standings and then slowly moving up, not so much. You can't change history.
When a generational talent becomes available in the draft it is completely different from other years. Generational players change affect their teams for the better for a decade or more. Sure, a lot of them came into good teams but the Gen player absolutely lifted them for years if not a decade plus.

Timmy Dunkar, Lebron.
Before that Kream, Magic-Bird, Jordan, Shaq.
Billy Russell and Wilt the Stilt.

It's been 20 years since Lebron came in so we are overdue for a real game changer.
Wama has that kind of potential.

[tonight...you]

When a generational talent becomes available in the draft it is completely different from other years. Generational players change affect their teams for the better for a decade or more. Sure, a lot of them came into good teams but the Gen player absolutely lifted them for years if not a decade plus.

Timmy Dunkar, Lebron.
Before that Kream, Magic-Bird, Jordan, Shaq.
Billy Russell and Wilt the Stilt.

It's been 20 years since Lebron came in so we are overdue for a real game changer.
Wama has that kind of potential.
Then, for at least that year, culture be damned.
And, given the talent, the next year too.

I don't know. I just know that this is a talent driven league.

But also look at the Mavs.

Generational talent and shit else around him and shit else going to be around him.
They're in the turnstile.

What to do... what to do...

[MultiTroll]

Then, for at least that year, culture be damned.
And, given the talent, the next year too.

I don't know. I just know that this is a talent driven league.

But also look at the Mavs.

Generational talent and shit else around him and shit else going to be around him.
They're in the turnstile.

What to do... what to do...
Fair to say virtually all the Generation players got great help, including our own Timmy Duncan. David Robinson already here.
GNob and Prime Parker was a score, along with great role players. Robert Horry, cmon man he is a playoff and Finals icon in my book.

So ya Doncic has had ass around him.

[tonight...you]

Fair to say virtually all the Generation players got great help, including our own Timmy Duncan. David Robinson already here.
GNob and Prime Parker was a score, along with great role players. Robert Horry, cmon man he is a playoff and Finals icon in my book.

So ya Doncic has had ass around him.
Yeah. Something to think about, yes?
Timmy went into a ready-made champ-in-making and the FO kept it going, which was amazing.

I don't think we'll ever see that again here.

Here's to hoping though.

[TD 21]

Lets do a comparison: Like you said the 76ers with the process have a MVP caliber player, another borderline All-NBA player (for a while) and gave them the opportunity to draft another borderline MVP player (Tatum) Very nice pieces yes, but no chip or any kind of trophy or ring to show for all their tanking.

The Golden state Warriors on the other hand have 4 championships and 5 western conference titles with only two players drafted in the top 7 and no #1 picks in the last 10 years It seems good trading, smart drafting and a willingness to go over the cap gets more chips than tanking. That also applies to the six other teams with championship rings (including our spurs) that didn't tank.

So this isn't about team culture or anything. Tanking can get you so far, but making smart basketball decisions can historically get you further. For at least a decade its been an option that has worked. Tanking for the bottom of the standings and then slowly moving up, not so much. You can't change history.

"The process" was about getting elite talent and they did so. It's also far easier to select it at the top of the draft than it is to be the team trying to find the needle in the haystack.

The Warriors are frauds who've done nothing but avoid and face teams decimated by injury in the playoffs while begging the second best player of their generation to join them because they were too cowardly to compete.

Like many, you give front offices executives far too much credit. It mostly comes down a combination of luck and not shooting yourself in the foot.

[scott]

NBA should bring back “territorial picks” (this is how Wilt and Bill Russell got drafted). Spurs should get claim to all Frenchman by virtue of Tony and Bobo.

[scott]

"The process" was about getting elite talent and they did so. It's also far easier to select it at the top of the draft than it is to be the team trying to find the needle in the haystack.

The Warriors are frauds who've done nothing but avoid and face teams decimated by injury in the playoffs while begging the second best player of their generation to join them because they were too cowardly to compete.

Like many, you give front offices executives far too much credit. It mostly comes down a combination of luck and not shooting yourself in the foot.

You only get to play the teams that are put in front of you. Diminishing 4 chips is some Phil Jackson level petty bullshit.

[JPB]

Like many, you give front offices executives far too much credit. It mostly comes down a combination of luck and not shooting yourself in the foot.

This is true in general but spurs front office still used to deserve credit for guys like Manu, TP, Bowen or Nephew who was clearly the #1 pick of his draft and spurs traded for at #15... (but they lucked into Duncan like Bulls lucked into Portland not picking MJ)...

But I would say that time is over and every team has hyper professional scouting crews that make Nephews slippery improbable nowadays. So yeah, it boils donw to luck and not fucking up with that...

Philly got great talent but got bad luck with embiid's health and probably couldn't imagine Simmons would be a headcase.... But spurs experienced that with Nephew too, so..

[Mr. Body]

You only get to play the teams that are put in front of you. Diminishing 4 chips is some Phil Jackson level petty bullshit.

Is okay to be petty. The Durant era championships agree hilariously bullshit. Last year the whole NBA sucked. It's okay to admit these things.

[K...]

Spurs get a two win streak and people lose their fucking minds. The spurs are tanking, so be it, they're not being as tanky as Houston because they value player growth. I dont get much value from crying my team missed a 14% chance and instead got 25%. Some people here are very close to arguing that the players should be euthanized for victor and i so NO to that.

[LeBowen]

Spurs get a two win streak and people lose their fucking minds. The spurs are tanking, so be it, they're not being as tanky as Houston because they value player growth. I dont get much value from crying my team missed a 14% chance and instead got 25%. Some people here are very close to arguing that the players should be euthanized for victor and i so NO to that.

Rockets, Pistons and Hornets are all disgustingly bad and hopeless teams, Rockets being the worst of the bunch.
Pistons lost Cade and Hornets just got Lamelo back.

Spurs just can't get that bad because for all the lack of talent, we're still a well-ran team with good system in place. Rockets are keeping useless Silas because they know he guarantees top3 worst odds at the end of the season.

Magic got their full roster back and they started winning. Others have at least some talent.
Tbh, Spurs are a lock for 4th best odds unless Hornets get healthy and start playing actual basketball.

The only thing that can be done is trading Jakob, JRich and Doug. And that wouldn't be enough to be worse than Rockets.

[rascal]

Lets do a comparison: Like you said the 76ers with the process have a MVP caliber player, another borderline All-NBA player (for a while) and gave them the opportunity to draft another borderline MVP player (Tatum) Very nice pieces yes, but no chip or any kind of trophy or ring to show for all their tanking.

The Golden state Warriors on the other hand have 4 championships and 5 western conference titles with only two players drafted in the top 7 and no #1 picks in the last 10 years It seems good trading, smart drafting and a willingness to go over the cap gets more chips than tanking. That also applies to the six other teams with championship rings (including our spurs) that didn't tank.

So this isn't about team culture or anything. Tanking can get you so far, but making smart basketball decisions can historically get you further. For at least a decade its been an option that has worked. Tanking for the bottom of the standings and then slowly moving up, not so much. You can't change history.

Spurs did tank / had a tank season to end up getting Duncan. No Duncan there would not likely be any championships in San Antonio.

[jjspur]

Spurs did tank / had a tank season to end up getting Duncan. No Duncan there would not likely be any championships in San Antonio.

All 100% true, but I'm talking about the last 10 years, not in the previous century. Please read carefully next time.

[jjspur]

You only get to play the teams that are put in front of you. Diminishing 4 chips is some Phil Jackson level petty bullshit.

Couldn't agree more. Comparing it to Phil Jackson is some funny but accurate shit.

[TD 21]

You only get to play the teams that are put in front of you. Diminishing 4 chips is some Phil Jackson level petty bullshit.

:lmao Results without context.

Even if you want to play that game, what about the two with Durant? And if you're not going to dock them any points for those, then be sure to do the same for him.



This is true in general but spurs front office still used to deserve credit for guys like Manu, TP, Bowen or Nephew who was clearly the #1 pick of his draft and spurs traded for at #15... (but they lucked into Duncan like Bulls lucked into Portland not picking MJ)...

But I would say that time is over and every team has hyper professional scouting crews that make Nephews slippery improbable nowadays. So yeah, it boils donw to luck and not fucking up with that...

Philly got great talent but got bad luck with embiid's health and probably couldn't imagine Simmons would be a headcase.... But spurs experienced that with Nephew too, so..

Mostly luck too. I'll give them some credit for Parker and Scumbag developmentally, but even then, the former was only available because a retied Auerbach overruled the staff and demanded they select Forte because he went to a program (UNC) he knew and the latter the Spurs supposedly preferred Valanciunas and Thompson.

[XDT76]

Spurs did tank / had a tank season to end up getting Duncan. No Duncan there would not likely be any championships in San Antonio.

And they are not the worst team back then.

[Rummpd]

Please Pop retire, fire half the FO, then we can discuss other desirable outcomes.

[Barfunk]

Please Pop retire, fire half the FO, then we can discuss other desirable outcomes.

mAkE aMeRiCa gReAt aGen!

[Barfunk]

Q- "Who does not want the Spurs to tank?"

A- Adam Sliver, ESPN etc.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Pretty sure OP's Mom wants the Spurs to run a Train on her tbh

[CapitalEmm]

Lol tanking for a guy who doesn’t even want to play here.

[exstatic]

Lol tanking for a guy who doesn’t even want to play here.

Right. Are you reading his mail?

[MultiTroll]

Tankings for pussies
:lol Going to assume sarcasm but just in case:
Your answer on thread talking about losing *with style, the classy way*


fck that:lol just fckn lose. Competition is for sucka's

[slick'81]

:lol Going to assume sarcasm but just in case:
Your answer on thread talking about losing *with style, the classy way*

Unfortunately most spurs talk had that sentiment the last couple of years

[offset formation]

Unfortunately most spurs talk had that sentiment the last couple of years

Looking back at it, they might have just been savants. Not like playing mediocre ball over the last 3 seasons was worth a damn.

[MultiTroll]

Unfortunately most spurs talk had that sentiment the last couple of years
2018 was an admirable job by Popped considering Nephew hostage holding.

2019 20 and 21 were mismanagement shit shows.
Entering the 22-23 season it seemed all good as Pop had his beloved and urgently sought after Most Wins Ever record thus finally the rebuild was going to be embraced. Sniffer and Realist alike could sit at the same table.

Now the fake humility "I don't tank, it's just not in my DNA" is such b.s. since that is exactly how his entire NBA career foundation was laid. Tanking at the end of David Robinson 96 to get a better shot at Timmy Dunker.

[MultiTroll]

Well Sniffers let's hear your updated response.

A realists solid take was:


Tanking is for the realists. Trying to win as many games as possible to score a play-in loss and a late lottery pick and think the Spurs will become title contenders is a fantasy. We were only good all those years because we tanked for Robinson and then tanked for Duncan and got lucky. We aren't getting a superstar in free agency. Imagine what the Spurs development group could do with top 3 pick talent.

[MultiTroll]

We’re splitting hairs. Tankers at best might improve their odds in the slightest most inconsequential way. Playing to win, the optics to prospective players and development of our own players arguably speaks to bigger long term gains.

We’re naturally going to fall into a high pick. Might as well reap the benefits of pushing a winning culture even if it doesn’t materialize.


Losing games on purpose to get your precious 14% is kind of dumb. You wouldn't consider a 14% chance of your dad coming back or your mother loving you to be great odds.




So you want to tear down a culture and this organizations DNA for what? A 20% chance at something that might work out.

No. No rational person does that.


14% chance-at best.
Pink yourselves faggots!

[BacktoBasics]

Pink yourselves faggots!

Here’s an idea. Don’t be a cunt. Bring something of value to the table instead of being an insufferable waste of space. You don’t like this team. The gtfo and do everyone the courtesy.

[MultiTroll]

^^ :lol

https://i.postimg.cc/rFn5NZpZ/Sick-Backpedal.gif

[MultiTroll]

Wow. Was surfing for something else and came across the Keep the Culture as is / Don't Go for Wemby morons. :rollin


So you want to tear down a culture and this organizations DNA for what? A 20% chance at something that might work out.

No. No rational person does that.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.9fc451c0d34817d0bb25ccf7afd67136?rik=l7ZBY1GQF8w 3ew&riu=http%3a%2f%2fimages.all-free-download.com%2fimages%2fgraphiclarge%2fralph_wiggu m_01_the_simpsons_49558.jpg&ehk=3GzslqEqmcEc0Nz5P8GaqqPLgYaVcx5SkuinBcYDISA%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

[BacktoBasics]

Wow. Was surfing for something else and came across the Keep the Culture as is / Don't Go for Wemby morons. :rollin

Yeah digging up a year old post definitely disproves my theory that you’re a dumb cunt. That’s the thing about people like you. You never fail to live up to expectations.

[Knoxxx]

What’s a “sniffer”?

[spurraider21]

What’s a “sniffer”?
people who will blindly support pop/patfo, make excuses for them, etc

idea being they love/respect pop so much that they sniff his farts and take pleasure in doing so

[TrainOfThought5]

people who will blindly support pop/patfo, make excuses for them, etc

idea being they love/respect pop so much that they sniff his farts and take pleasure in doing so

the sniffers wanted to tank if im
not mistaken.

[baseline bum]

the sniffers wanted to tank if im
not mistaken.

Tanking for Wemby made sense. Tanking for the next Batum, Capella, or Hinrich though? Fucking hell :pctoss

[BackHome]

I am all in for Tank 2025 NBA DRAFT - Cooper Flagg - Airious Bailey - Hugo Gonzalez...:lobt:

[rascal]

I am all in for Tank 2025 NBA DRAFT - Cooper Flagg - Airious Bailey - Hugo Gonzalez...:lobt:

Spurs need to find the second superstar player somehow.

[Knoxxx]

The Spurs just need everybody to show up ready to play.