**Official 2023 NFL Draft Thread**

[spurraider21]

Getting this puppy started up now

[DeadlyDynasty]

Our first 3 picks need to be offensive line. G/C, G/C, and Swing LT. Then safety, then receiver

[SpursforSix]

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[MultiTroll]

I wanna know if the Texans wanted the #2 all along or if Louvie went rogue.

[benefactor]

I think the Bears trade down. They aren't taking a QB and they can pick up assets from a team that has a hard on for Young. Ive seen a lot of rage posting from Houston fans about the Texans fucking themselves out of the number one pick, but the gap between Young and Will Levis isn't wide. He's just as pro ready and might even wind up being a better pro than Young.

[benefactor]

But it really doesn't matter which QB Houston takes. Neither will save that team from the dumpster fire that is the front office and ownership.

[leemajors]

I think the Bears trade down. They aren't taking a QB and they can pick up assets from a team that has a hard on for Young. Ive seen a lot of rage posting from Houston fans about the Texans fucking themselves out of the number one pick, but the gap between Young and Will Levis isn't wide. He's just as pro ready and might even wind up being a better pro than Young.

You're not a little worried about the O KY runs? Jones definitely has processing issues despite having a great arm and speed.

[benefactor]

You're not a little worried about the O KY runs? Jones definitely has processing issues despite having a great arm and speed.
Honestly, I don't feel like any of the QB's in this draft are home run hitters. I think Levis, Young and Stroud have flashed potential to be really good but as top five picks all are a bit of gamble. I like Levis for his size, quick release, pocket awareness and intelligence. He feels like Josh Allen lite. But I think for QB needy teams like the Texans, Colts, etc. any of the three are worth taking a chance on.

[MultiTroll]

You guys think GA QB is toast in the pros?
I see Drew Brees similarities, like the timing routes and throws.
He's fast too.

But some linebacker is gonna cruch his ass. Until players like Tua, Young etc learn to give up on plays this injury stuff is going to continue.

To the point, can GA QB make it?

As good as GA was in the title game, I'm not among the masses blowing them after that lucky escape job by Ohio State kickers shank.

[Robz4000]

Honestly, I don't feel like any of the QB's in this draft are home run hitters. I think Levis, Young and Stroud have flashed potential to be really good but as top five picks all are a bit of gamble. I like Levis for his size, quick release, pocket awareness and intelligence. He feels like Josh Allen lite. But I think for QB needy teams like the Texans, Colts, etc. any of the three are worth taking a chance on.

Not high on any of them myself tbh, but I agree Levis has the best chance. Honestly wouldn't shock me if all of them end up as career back-ups/journeymen or out of the league entirely by the end of their rookie contracts.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You guys think GA QB is toast in the pros?
I see Drew Brees similarities, like the timing routes and throws.
He's fast too.

But some linebacker is gonna cruch his ass. Until players like Tua, Young etc learn to give up on plays this injury stuff is going to continue.

To the point, can GA QB make it?

As good as GA was in the title game, I'm not among the masses blowing them after that lucky escape job by Ohio State kickers shank.

He's too small. He would make a great slot receiver though.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Not high on any of them myself tbh, but I agree Levis has the best chance. Honestly wouldn't shock me if all of them end up as career back-ups/journeymen or out of the league entirely by the end of their rookie contracts.

100 percent agreed. Young / Stroud seem like backup types, but you never know someone could pop up and have a Jalen Hurts type arc and get lucky. But I think Hurts goes the way of Lamar Jackson, RG3, Vince Young at some point too. 2022 is the high point for Hurts.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I think the Bears trade down. They aren't taking a QB and they can pick up assets from a team that has a hard on for Young. Ive seen a lot of rage posting from Houston fans about the Texans fucking themselves out of the number one pick, but the gap between Young and Will Levis isn't wide. He's just as pro ready and might even wind up being a better pro than Young.

Or they can stand pat and pick BPA which is not quarterback this year just like last year.

Will Anderson is the next Myles Garrett / Von Miller / Micah Parsons imo.

[SpursforSix]

He's too small. He would make a great slot receiver though.

Your mom is a great slot receiver.

[lefty20]

Or they can stand pat and pick BPA which is not quarterback this year just like last year.

Will Anderson is the next Myles Garrett / Von Miller / Micah Parsons imo.

Nah, trading to Colts makes too much sense.

Colts get to choose their guy and Bears get one of Anderson/Carter at the #4 spot plus additional picks to fill out our shit roster.

Poles would deserve to get fired for not trading this pick, imo.

[BD24]

You guys think GA QB is toast in the pros?
I see Drew Brees similarities, like the timing routes and throws.
He's fast too.

But some linebacker is gonna cruch his ass. Until players like Tua, Young etc learn to give up on plays this injury stuff is going to continue.

To the point, can GA QB make it?

As good as GA was in the title game, I'm not among the masses blowing them after that lucky escape job by Ohio State kickers shank.
I’m assuming your talking about Stetson Bennett….he will be a really good backup for some team. And I don’t mean that as a slight, having a quality backup that can cover for a game or two if your starter goes down is very important

[BD24]

Nah, trading to Colts makes too much sense.

Colts get to choose their guy and Bears get one of Anderson/Carter at the #4 spot plus additional picks to fill out our shit roster.

Poles would deserve to get fired for not trading this pick, imo.
Colts are the perfect trade back. Still will get one of Carter or Anderson and the extra cap. Good situation for the bears

[BD24]

Your mom is a great slot receiver.
She hasn’t been a good tight end for years tbh. That things pretty loose these days is the word on the street

[Millennial_Messiah]

She hasn’t been a good tight end for years tbh. That things pretty loose these days is the word on the street

Ya think she's more like a right guard?

[Millennial_Messiah]

I’m assuming your talking about Stetson Bennett….he will be a really good backup for some team. And I don’t mean that as a slight, having a quality backup that can cover for a game or two if your starter goes down is very important

Best case scenario : Baker Mayfield
Worst case scenario : Johnny Football

[spurraider21]

unless anybody trades ahead of the raiders, they should be able to take whoever is left between Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, and Will Levis. only houston/indy look like teams ahead of them slated to pick a QB. would take something like carolina/atlanta jumping ahead of 7 to throw that off

[BD24]

I could see Carolina jumping up. Atlanta seems content to ride with ridder for another year. For whatever reason

[spurraider21]

well before the combine, i started noticing a lot of film guys on twitter saying richardson's tape is much better than his stats led on. combine performance was icing on the cake. he's going top 10. think this is a super interesting QB class at the top, which each guy being pretty darn unique.

i dont really watch college ball during the year, but i do go back and look at game cutups during draft season in years where i care enough to. will probably do more, but ive watched enough for some general thoughts

Young - checks literally every box... except size

Pros: Honestly... he does just about everything well. Pretty accurate (maybe not Stroud levels, but definitely a plus). S-tier anticipation and decision making. His elusiveness and improvisation is otherworldly. He doesnt pile up the rushing yards, but he looks like prime Russell Wilson as far as that ability goes. For a short qb, he has no problem attacking the middle of the field (something Wilson/Murray have struggled with). Solid arm strength too, maybe just below Wilson in that regard. Played in a pro style offense and didnt have weapons like Ruggs/Jeudy/Smith/Waddle the way Tua/Mac had.

Cons: He's small. That's the con. If he was 6'2, 208, he'd be the slam dunk #1 pick and probably would be just below the Luck/Lawrence tier of elite prospects. But he is not only short, but pretty thin, unlike Russell Wilson. Teams have to worry about whether all the traits above will show up given his stature, since he's not as dynamic a runner as a guy like Kyler.

Comp: Russell Wilson is an obvious one. Bryce doesn't have quite the same rushing volume, so you could say he's a smaller/weaker Mahomes


Stroud - is probably the easiest to project as a plug and play starter and hit the ground running

Pros: Very high level accuracy, mechanics, decision making, and prototypical size. While he didnt show much ability to improvise with his feet during his college career, he absolutely went off in his last game against Georgia, a borderline NFL caliber defense, and made play after play with his feet. If that's a part of his game... watch out. His decisiveness is also something that stands out. You basically never see him double hitch a throw. When he decides where he's going, its crisp, clean, and gets out.

Cons: Average arm strength. Played on a pretty loaded team with some insane weapons like Harrison Jr. Generally didnt show he was capable of making any kind of plays with his feet, and plain pocket passers without big arms aren't very sought after. From the sample games I've watched, I also don't know that he shows high end anticipation on his throws. He sorts waits for a guy to make his break and show open before releasing. Think that needs to speed up some in the pros.

Conclusion: Feels like the "safe" pick, and teams will determine how much his performance in the Georgia game matters to them vs the rest of his college career when it comes to his athletic upside. Best fit is probably something like the Raiders where he can step right in and take command of an offense that is "ready to go." Not sure if he's the guy that can elevate an offense from the ashes.

Comp: Depending on whether you buy the mobility upside, you are looking at either Carr/Cousins/Brady sytle of play, or potentially skewing more into Burrow territory as far as accuracy + mobility combo.


Levis - is the new "prototype" athlete at the position

Pros: Size. Absolute cannon arm. Very good mobility/running ability. Showed pretty well despite having to overcome a borderline dysfunctional offense around him. Played in a pro style offense and his last 2 offensive coordinators both previously coordinated NFL offenses, so there aren't concerns about his ability to pick up a complex offense and operate it. Checks the modern boxes of wanting the Josh Allen/Justin Herbert like size/athletic ability. For a guy with a cannon, he also shows the ability to throw with touch, which is kinda rare at the college level.

Cons: Inconsistent accuracy, poor "feel" in the pocket despite his athletic traits. He'll be 24 at the start of the season, so he's had the time/years to clean up his mechanics by now. Also was a low ADOT guy in college (which was also true of Herbert, to be fair).

Conclusion: Weird blend of a guy who is pro-ready in that he should know how to run an NFL offense, but also has that "project" feel because of his accuracy issues and lack of pocket awareness.

Comp: Carson Wentz. Remains to be seen if we are getting MVP caliber Wentz, or Colts/Commanders Wentz


Richardson - this is the fun one

Pros: Arguably the greatest athlete at the QB position we've ever seen. Look at the combine numbers for yourself. Absolute fire-hose of an arm. Some of the impressions I got were watching JaMarcus if he were actually a great athlete too. By all accounts a high character guy and hard worker. He basically had to carry Florida who did not have any good players on offense outside of Etienne. His pre-snap reads are quite good. Despite his insane mobility, he shows the willingness to stay in a collapsing pocket and deliver throws while getting hit. Had to also overcome a pretty rough/predictable scheme with a ton of heavy play action sets where his only reads were deep shots.

Cons: Woof. Obviously very raw/inexperienced. Only started 13 college games. Brutal accuracy numbers. Part of that is Florida had a ton of drops, part of that was an offensive scheme that didn't give him many "gimme" completions to pad his numbers. But part of it was just awful playground footwork. While he can escape/scramble plenty, when he tried to maneuver within the pocket, it was usually pretty ugly with sloppy footwork or trying to just "arm" the ball to the location, leading to most of his ugly throws and interceptions. Most concerning part is that on some of his throws where he misses or air-mailed it, there wasn't even necessarily anything wrong mechanically, so you cant pinpoint how to fix it. Have to hope those are flukes or just something that experience will correct. Generally, just maddeningly inconsistent. He'll have a play where he senses pressure, slides left, steps up, gets his feet planted correctly, and delivers an absolute dime 30 yards down the field, followed by a play where he moves around unnecessarily, has his feet pointing in different directions, and air-mails a wide open receiver on 3rd down.

Conclusion: Far and away the least "pro ready" QB in the group, but he also has some jaw-dropping reps (not including highlight reel athletic runs) where he puts it altogether, makes reads, makes efficient movement in the pocket, and throws perfect passes. He simply needs reps, having played very few games and thrown very few passes (less than Trubisky, even). Decision to take him will come down to a team that believes they can coach him up, and those who believe that teaching him to correct is awful footwork and mechanics (getting shoulders squared, etc), will alleviate most of his accuracy woes. A team that wants to play him early will really have to transform their offense. Basically look at rookie Lamar Jackson, rookie Jalen Hurts, sophomore Justin Fields offenses.

Comp: Everybody will say Josh Allen (as a reason to believe his accuracy can improve with coaching). I think what you want to emulate is Jalen Hurts with a cannon. Daunte Culpepper is another strong comp. But if he is lazy, doesnt take well to coaching, you could just be looking at a faster JaMarcus Russell. His accuracy/inconsistency really looks that scary.

[lefty20]

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[spurraider21]

wowza. what a fucking haul for a bears team that wasnt taking a qb anyway.

lol carolina. they get their qb of choice (im guessing Stroud even though i have Bryce QB1), but he's going to be surrounded by complete trash and now picks to help him out. basically what bears were doing with fields up until now

[lefty20]

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I'm sure we'll find a way to fuck this up. But for now, I'm happy af.

[benefactor]

Holy shit. The Panthers got raped tbh

[Robz4000]

:lmao Panthers
:lmao Cat Faggot

[spurraider21]

:lmao Panthers
:lmao Cat Faggot
what are your thoughts on the "big 4" qbs

i value your opinion. remember you called Josh Allen in that draft being best prospect in years, etc

[Robz4000]

what are your thoughts on the "big 4" qbs

i value your opinion. remember you called Josh Allen in that draft being best prospect in years, etc

Not a fan of any of them tbh. Gun to my head I'd say Levis since he does give off Allen/Jones vibes but he's just not athletic enough to become what they have. Need to watch more tape on Richardson; physically he's a beast but his stats are mediocre at best.

[spurraider21]

Not a fan of any of them tbh. Gun to my head I'd say Levis since he does give off Allen/Jones vibes but he's just not athletic enough to become what they have. Need to watch more tape on Richardson; physically he's a beast but his stats are mediocre at best.
im admittedly not a college football junkie, so i dont really get caught up on prospects until around this time of year. when i first heard richardson being named among potential first round qbs, and i looked at his numbers, i thought it was kind of a joke like malik willis last year

but the more ive gone back and watched his games (not youtube highlights, obviously), tbh the more impressed i've been with him. think he shows a lot more NFL traits than one would think seeing a 1 year starter with shit stats. i had Young > Levis > Stroud > Richardson for most of the last couple months, but ive really warmed on richardson (not because of combine numbers, we already knew he was a freak, but from actually having gone back and watched some games to look past box). still dont think you'll get anything pretty from him as a year 1 player (we didnt with Lamar, Hurts, Fields, Allen either), but theres something there imho. just depends if a team thinks he has the work ethic to clean up his footwork and stuff.

i read conflicting reports about how well he interviewed at combine. early stuff from mcshay saying he killed it, then zerlein from NFL saying all the qb's were meh in interviews and teams were a bit surprised just how far behind richardson was on the x's and o's stuff, which is another concern obviously, but likely tied to inexperience and not running a pro offense. feel like theres so much projection with Levis anyway that id rather just bet on richardson's actual upside. if the raiders stand pat at 7 and land any of the 4 id be pretty happy though. looking less likely after today

[FrostKing]

im admittedly not a college football junkie, so i dont really get caught up on prospects until around this time of year. when i first heard richardson being named among potential first round qbs, and i looked at his numbers, i thought it was kind of a joke like malik willis last year

but the more ive gone back and watched his games (not youtube highlights, obviously), tbh the more impressed i've been with him. think he shows a lot more NFL traits than one would think seeing a 1 year starter with shit stats. i had Young > Levis > Stroud > Richardson for most of the last couple months, but ive really warmed on richardson (not because of combine numbers, we already knew he was a freak, but from actually having gone back and watched some games to look past box). still dont think you'll get anything pretty from him as a year 1 player (we didnt with Lamar, Hurts, Fields, Allen either), but theres something there imho. just depends if a team thinks he has the work ethic to clean up his footwork and stuff.

i read conflicting reports about how well he interviewed at combine. early stuff from mcshay saying he killed it, then zerlein from NFL saying all the qb's were meh in interviews and teams were a bit surprised just how far behind richardson was on the x's and o's stuff, which is another concern obviously, but likely tied to inexperience and not running a pro offense. feel like theres so much projection with Levis anyway that id rather just bet on richardson's actual upside. if the raiders stand pat at 7 and land any of the 4 id be pretty happy though. looking less likely after today
Richardson is a mental midget. Getting him outta the swamp will surely help.

Watched him against FSU was 9 of 27. Made a few extended plays. Seminoles defense this season was just good. Athletically he's not a generational talent. We faced Lamar with a better Defense and he dropped 60 points on us.

Basically a much lower IQ Fields. Ceiling.

[FrostKing]

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I'm sure we'll find a way to fuck this up. But for now, I'm happy af.
Congrats. NFL is better when the Bears are good. Cause they always put you on primetime! :lol

[spurraider21]

Richardson is a mental midget. Getting him outta the swamp will surely help.

Watched him against FSU was 9 of 27. Made a few extended plays. Seminoles defense this season was just good. Athletically he's not a generational talent. We faced Lamar with a better Defense and he dropped 60 points on us.

Basically a much lower IQ Fields. Ceiling.
FSU game is actually one of the several I’ve seen reviewed. Think he looked significantly better than the box score imo. Pretty deep dive here but vid is quite long. JT O’Sullivan is the best thing on YouTube right now about dissecting qb play. College or pro


https://youtu.be/NOTCdHFsQgs

[FrostKing]

FSU game is actually one of the several I’ve seen reviewed. Think he looked significantly better than the box score imo. Pretty deep dive here but vid is quite long. JT O’Sullivan is the best thing on YouTube right now about dissecting qb play. College or pro


https://youtu.be/NOTCdHFsQgs
If Florida FB was more stable right now he probably returns for 1 more season. Might as well leave though.

[spurraider21]

really hope the raiders dont think Jimmy G is an excuse to not draft a QB

[FrostKing]

What are the Eagles doing?

Lost like 5 players today.

[spurraider21]

What are the Eagles doing?

Lost like 5 players today.
team without much cap space, with multiple players seeking big paydays, and having to give their basically free to this point QB a real contract. smart to let some of them go. dillard wasnt starting anyway, let him go. they lost a good linebacker but just drafted nakobi dean last year who should easily slide into his spot, etc.

cant afford to keep everybody, unless you do what the saints/bucs have done and just constantly restructure contracts for temporary cap relief that screws you over later. eagles already restructured a number of players just to get to this point, but dont want to go overboard with it

[FrostKing]

team without much cap space, with multiple players seeking big paydays, and having to give their basically free to this point QB a real contract. smart to let some of them go. dillard wasnt starting anyway, let him go. they lost a good linebacker but just drafted nakobi dean last year who should easily slide into his spot, etc.

cant afford to keep everybody, unless you do what the saints/bucs have done and just constantly restructure contracts for temporary cap relief that screws you over later. eagles already restructured a number of players just to get to this point, but dont want to go overboard with it
Totally understand and I expected them to lose pieces but I'm surprised by how many. Outside looking in seem a bit on the extreme end.

[leemajors]

Gilmore is a great pickup for a comp pick

[spursreport]

What are the Eagles doing?

Lost like 5 players today.

SB losers curse next for that overrated team.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Gilmore is a great pickup for a comp pick

he could be washed up but it's worth a try. CB2 has been a big problem for Diggs's entire career.

[spurraider21]

Gilmore is a great pickup for a comp pick
indeed. and given that its the last year of his deal, if he isn't re-signed, you'd probably get a comp pick back for him as well

[FrostKing]

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[spurraider21]

man, just looking at some caleb williams. he doesnt have great size, but 6'1, 220 should be fine. looks like a lawrence-tier prospect to me. only real blemish is that he looks like he johnny football's it a bit much, but hes a much better athlete than manziel was

[leemajors]

Boys get Cooks for a 5th this year and a 6th the next.

[MultiTroll]

Why did Bears try to jam Raiders for so much more then they accepted from Cats?

[spurraider21]

Why did Bears try to jam Raiders for so much more then they accepted from Cats?
its basically the same thing no?

from the panthers they wanted 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and DJ Moore

from the raiders they wanted 3 firsts, 2 seconds

bears valued DJ Moore as a 2025 first. panthers actually preferred to send over an additional first, bears insisted they included Moore instead. they wanted an established weapon for Fields

[spurraider21]

his inconsistent accuracy is a real thing (tho imo, at least 2/3 of it due to correctable footwork), but theres a lot more to richardson than meets the box score. imo, the decision of whether or not a team should take him will come down to how they assess him a person. interview process, speaking to coaches who have been around him. if a team believes that he's going to be a hard worker and coachable, and is not going to rush him out there in year 1... you gotta take him over a guy like Levis. but if he's giving Kyler Murray/Zach Wilson vibes, or late career Cam vibes (i am what i am, deal with it type stuff).... have to be a hard pass

identifying the defense, looking off the linebacker, throwing a strike

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god-like pocket presence and movement on this play (not just a bail and run guy)

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another long-form game analysis. recurring theme as far as his negatives are the his inability to use touch on his throws, but he plays with better-than-advertised anticipation and was plagued by a horrible scheme with horrible receiving talent


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGyGz4fvZoU

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/Qm0xq21/IMG-9178.jpg

[MultiTroll]

Not a draftee but what do you guys think about this OL coming out of retirement and being unrestricted?

Former NFL OT DJ Fluker Is Absolutely Jacked, Looks Nearly Unrecognizable As He Attempts Comeback (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/former-nfl-ot-dj-fluker-is-absolutely-jacked-looks-nearly-unrecognizable-as-he-attempts-comeback/ar-AA1925pe?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=49264db6f8ee4d0a9e5c82b023c25329&ei=20)

49ers you want to fill that gap left by bailer to Denver?

[spurraider21]

yes he looks absolutely ripped. but thats usually a big trap for identifying what actually makes a great o-lineman. how's his technique? how are his feet in pass pro? how is his hand placement? he good is he mentally as far as identifying blitzers, passing off stunts, etc

lesson raider fans learned well after Bruce Campbell


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akRJ-xbb5Lo

[Robz4000]

yes he looks absolutely ripped. but thats usually a big trap for identifying what actually makes a great o-lineman. how's his technique? how are his feet in pass pro? how is his hand placement? he good is he mentally as far as identifying blitzers, passing off stunts, etc

lesson raider fans learned well after Bruce Campbell


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akRJ-xbb5Lo

He was pretty good for the Chargers iirc, his problem was he couldn't stay healthy.

[spurraider21]

He was pretty good for the Chargers iirc, his problem was he couldn't stay healthy.
He missed 5 games in 4 years with the chargers and they released him after a 16 game season. He had since bounced around and had injury issues. Has been on practice squads. Hasn’t played since 2020

[djohn2oo8]

Boys get Cooks for a 5th this year and a 6th the next.
Cooks will drop passes like ol boy from Little Giants before the stick em.

[djohn2oo8]

well before the combine, i started noticing a lot of film guys on twitter saying richardson's tape is much better than his stats led on. combine performance was icing on the cake. he's going top 10. think this is a super interesting QB class at the top, which each guy being pretty darn unique.

i dont really watch college ball during the year, but i do go back and look at game cutups during draft season in years where i care enough to. will probably do more, but ive watched enough for some general thoughts

Young - checks literally every box... except size

Pros: Honestly... he does just about everything well. Pretty accurate (maybe not Stroud levels, but definitely a plus). S-tier anticipation and decision making. His elusiveness and improvisation is otherworldly. He doesnt pile up the rushing yards, but he looks like prime Russell Wilson as far as that ability goes. For a short qb, he has no problem attacking the middle of the field (something Wilson/Murray have struggled with). Solid arm strength too, maybe just below Wilson in that regard. Played in a pro style offense and didnt have weapons like Ruggs/Jeudy/Smith/Waddle the way Tua/Mac had.

Cons: He's small. That's the con. If he was 6'2, 208, he'd be the slam dunk #1 pick and probably would be just below the Luck/Lawrence tier of elite prospects. But he is not only short, but pretty thin, unlike Russell Wilson. Teams have to worry about whether all the traits above will show up given his stature, since he's not as dynamic a runner as a guy like Kyler.

Comp: Russell Wilson is an obvious one. Bryce doesn't have quite the same rushing volume, so you could say he's a smaller/weaker Mahomes


Stroud - is probably the easiest to project as a plug and play starter and hit the ground running

Pros: Very high level accuracy, mechanics, decision making, and prototypical size. While he didnt show much ability to improvise with his feet during his college career, he absolutely went off in his last game against Georgia, a borderline NFL caliber defense, and made play after play with his feet. If that's a part of his game... watch out. His decisiveness is also something that stands out. You basically never see him double hitch a throw. When he decides where he's going, its crisp, clean, and gets out.

Cons: Average arm strength. Played on a pretty loaded team with some insane weapons like Harrison Jr. Generally didnt show he was capable of making any kind of plays with his feet, and plain pocket passers without big arms aren't very sought after. From the sample games I've watched, I also don't know that he shows high end anticipation on his throws. He sorts waits for a guy to make his break and show open before releasing. Think that needs to speed up some in the pros.

Conclusion: Feels like the "safe" pick, and teams will determine how much his performance in the Georgia game matters to them vs the rest of his college career when it comes to his athletic upside. Best fit is probably something like the Raiders where he can step right in and take command of an offense that is "ready to go." Not sure if he's the guy that can elevate an offense from the ashes.

Comp: Depending on whether you buy the mobility upside, you are looking at either Carr/Cousins/Brady sytle of play, or potentially skewing more into Burrow territory as far as accuracy + mobility combo.


Levis - is the new "prototype" athlete at the position

Pros: Size. Absolute cannon arm. Very good mobility/running ability. Showed pretty well despite having to overcome a borderline dysfunctional offense around him. Played in a pro style offense and his last 2 offensive coordinators both previously coordinated NFL offenses, so there aren't concerns about his ability to pick up a complex offense and operate it. Checks the modern boxes of wanting the Josh Allen/Justin Herbert like size/athletic ability. For a guy with a cannon, he also shows the ability to throw with touch, which is kinda rare at the college level.

Cons: Inconsistent accuracy, poor "feel" in the pocket despite his athletic traits. He'll be 24 at the start of the season, so he's had the time/years to clean up his mechanics by now. Also was a low ADOT guy in college (which was also true of Herbert, to be fair).

Conclusion: Weird blend of a guy who is pro-ready in that he should know how to run an NFL offense, but also has that "project" feel because of his accuracy issues and lack of pocket awareness.

Comp: Carson Wentz. Remains to be seen if we are getting MVP caliber Wentz, or Colts/Commanders Wentz


Richardson - this is the fun one

Pros: Arguably the greatest athlete at the QB position we've ever seen. Look at the combine numbers for yourself. Absolute fire-hose of an arm. Some of the impressions I got were watching JaMarcus if he were actually a great athlete too. By all accounts a high character guy and hard worker. He basically had to carry Florida who did not have any good players on offense outside of Etienne. His pre-snap reads are quite good. Despite his insane mobility, he shows the willingness to stay in a collapsing pocket and deliver throws while getting hit. Had to also overcome a pretty rough/predictable scheme with a ton of heavy play action sets where his only reads were deep shots.

Cons: Woof. Obviously very raw/inexperienced. Only started 13 college games. Brutal accuracy numbers. Part of that is Florida had a ton of drops, part of that was an offensive scheme that didn't give him many "gimme" completions to pad his numbers. But part of it was just awful playground footwork. While he can escape/scramble plenty, when he tried to maneuver within the pocket, it was usually pretty ugly with sloppy footwork or trying to just "arm" the ball to the location, leading to most of his ugly throws and interceptions. Most concerning part is that on some of his throws where he misses or air-mailed it, there wasn't even necessarily anything wrong mechanically, so you cant pinpoint how to fix it. Have to hope those are flukes or just something that experience will correct. Generally, just maddeningly inconsistent. He'll have a play where he senses pressure, slides left, steps up, gets his feet planted correctly, and delivers an absolute dime 30 yards down the field, followed by a play where he moves around unnecessarily, has his feet pointing in different directions, and air-mails a wide open receiver on 3rd down.

Conclusion: Far and away the least "pro ready" QB in the group, but he also has some jaw-dropping reps (not including highlight reel athletic runs) where he puts it altogether, makes reads, makes efficient movement in the pocket, and throws perfect passes. He simply needs reps, having played very few games and thrown very few passes (less than Trubisky, even). Decision to take him will come down to a team that believes they can coach him up, and those who believe that teaching him to correct is awful footwork and mechanics (getting shoulders squared, etc), will alleviate most of his accuracy woes. A team that wants to play him early will really have to transform their offense. Basically look at rookie Lamar Jackson, rookie Jalen Hurts, sophomore Justin Fields offenses.

Comp: Everybody will say Josh Allen (as a reason to believe his accuracy can improve with coaching). I think what you want to emulate is Jalen Hurts with a cannon. Daunte Culpepper is another strong comp. But if he is lazy, doesnt take well to coaching, you could just be looking at a faster JaMarcus Russell. His accuracy/inconsistency really looks that scary.
Bryce has had quite a few AC joint sprains already in college. That is concerning.

[Robz4000]

He missed 5 games in 4 years with the chargers and they released him after a 16 game season. He had since bounced around and had injury issues. Has been on practice squads. Hasn’t played since 2020

Must've been thinking of someone else then.

[spurraider21]

Bryce has had quite a few AC joint sprains already in college. That is concerning.
Bryce measured at over 200 pounds at the combine but didn’t take part in drills. Then he refused to weigh in at his pro day where he did drills. It’s pretty clear his actual playing weight is well below 200.

i think if it wasn’t for Tuas rough season he’d be the clear cut #1 pick. But the size concern is growing and now looks like Stroud is likely going first

[spurraider21]

Must've been thinking of someone else then.
Chargers had some other high pick forest lamp. Maybe him

[Millennial_Messiah]

Young is Johnny Football, Stroud is Trashkins, Levis is Tannehill/Wentz and Richardson is Joe Webb / Terrelle Pryor

You're looking at another 2015 QB class at best here. Not high on any of these.

At least Richardson might be willing to convert to wideout when his career at qb quickly dies.

[Will Hunting]

Young is Johnny Football, Stroud is Trashkins, Levis is Tannehill/Wentz and Richardson is Joe Webb / Terrelle Pryor

You're looking at another 2015 QB class at best here. Not high on any of these.

At least Richardson might be willing to convert to wideout when his career at qb quickly dies.
The success rate with the generic mopheaded mulato QB is not great at all, can’t believe Young and Stroud are hyped up as anything special :lol

[spurraider21]

The success rate with the generic mopheaded mulato QB is not great at all, can’t believe Young and Stroud are hyped up as anything special :lol
i dont think any of these guys are special prospects (richardson has ridiculous athletic ability, but as a prospect right now he's definitely not special). but the QB class last year was historically poor, so teams are starving for prospects. last year was probably the weakest qb class since at least 2013 (ej manuel, geno smith, mike glennon, matt barkley were the first 4 off the board)

within this class, bryce young is in a tier of his own to me, but he's not some special generational prospect, or even in the burrow tier of prospect. burrow was the consensus #1 in his draft, but there were still questions about him being a 1 year wonder, being elevated by a stacked set of position players, and having below average arm strength, so he wasnt seen as an all timer prospect the way lawrence/luck were hyped to be

ive never been as high on stroud as the consensus, but i definitely think he's a better prospect than Haskins was coming out of OSU a few years ago

[spurraider21]

right now the biggest question of the draft appears to be what happens with the #3 pick. if AZ stays at 3, will anderson is the consensus pick, but with more teams warming up to anthony richardson, it looks like there might be a race to #3 before the colts pick a qb at 4. seattle is a very common speculated trade partner. its also possible the colts try to move up 1 to secure who they think is "their guy."

lions/raiders also potentially in play

could be the first time in NFL history that 4 QBs are taken top 4, oddly enough in a year that isnt a particularly great QB class. but again, demand for QB is very high because last year was historically bad

[Millennial_Messiah]

right now the biggest question of the draft appears to be what happens with the #3 pick. if AZ stays at 3, will anderson is the consensus pick, but with more teams warming up to anthony richardson, it looks like there might be a race to #3 before the colts pick a qb at 4. seattle is a very common speculated trade partner. its also possible the colts try to move up 1 to secure who they think is "their guy."

lions/raiders also potentially in play

could be the first time in NFL history that 4 QBs are taken top 4, oddly enough in a year that isnt a particularly great QB class. but again, demand for QB is very high because last year was historically bad

2021 was essentially the same thing... except I believe in Lawrence. The other 4-5 QBs drafted below him in the first round are garbage though.

[spurraider21]

Bryce has had quite a few AC joint sprains already in college. That is concerning.
while theres some variation in mocks that ive seen, i'd say over 3/4 have Stroud going #1 and Young going #2

assuming Stroud was off the board at 1, who do you want Houston to grab?

and in an ideal world, is Stroud your dream pick?

[MultiTroll]

The success rate with the generic mopheaded mulato QB is not great at all, can’t believe Young and Stroud are hyped up as anything special :lol
Thought Stroud showed balls of iron in the would-be victory over Georgia shanked by the kicker.

Where do you guys think he's lacking?

[leemajors]

Thought Stroud showed balls of iron in the would-be victory over Georgia shanked by the kicker.

Where do you guys think he's lacking?

OSU QB is usually enough to doubt

[spurraider21]

OSU QB is usually enough to doubt
texas tech qbs sucked before mahomes. clemson qbs sucked before watson. there are always cases like these.

haskins was a bust. fields is clearly exciting but cant really judge him yet considering the state of the bears in recent years. before that its not like OSU qbs were being that hyped. guys like braxton miller and terrelle pryor werent getting talked about as big time QB prospects

im not the biggest fan of stroud (i have him 3rd in this class), but i dont like writing guys off just for stuff like that

[leemajors]

texas tech qbs sucked before mahomes. clemson qbs sucked before watson. there are always cases like these.

haskins was a bust. fields is clearly exciting but cant really judge him yet considering the state of the bears in recent years. before that its not like OSU qbs were being that hyped. guys like braxton miller and terrelle pryor werent getting talked about as big time QB prospects

im not the biggest fan of stroud (i have him 3rd in this class), but i dont like writing guys off just for stuff like that

I forgot most of the OSU fans don't post here anymore, sorry

[Millennial_Messiah]

OSU QB is usually enough to doubt

tosu/bama qbs should not be drafted before the 3rd round at best.

[spurraider21]

another one. the more you watch, the more you like. dont think he's a year 1 player because he needs to completely relearn his footwork until it becomes muscle memory, but yeah... i think i have him as QB2 behind bryce young, and the raiders coming away with him round 1 is becoming my dream scenario. he can sit behind jimmy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAm9sEtSvOY

[spurraider21]

this is now an anthony richardson thread until some other team drafts him and breaks my heart. unheard of pocket presence for a one year starter


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP5ky5WjlLg

[Millennial_Messiah]

Anthony Richardson will be a wideout or retired before the end of his rookie contract.

[leemajors]

this is now an anthony richardson thread until some other team drafts him and breaks my heart. unheard of pocket presence for a one year starter


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP5ky5WjlLg

From highlights and occasional Gator game during the season the thing that wowed me was how fast he was, and what an arm he had.

[spurraider21]

From highlights and occasional Gator game during the season the thing that wowed me was how fast he was, and what an arm he had.
yeah just from watching highlights and then seeing box scores, my initial thoughts on him at the start of the process was "oh boy, another malik willis/trey lance overhyped prospect"

but the more of his game stuff i actually watched, the more advanced his actual quarterbacking seems. he basically has to completely redo his footwork and it will take time until that becomes muscle memory, but he's not as far away as people think, at all

other takeaways from watching florida after the fact is how atrocious the receivers were. struggled separated and drops galore

[spurraider21]

im very used to being disappointed by the raiders' drafts. ready for it again

my wish list at #7

1) QB preferably Richardson then Levis. i also wouldnt be made if we gave up some capital to move up for Richardson
2) Jalen Carter
3) Devon Witherspoon
4) trade down. the other options i've seen here are taking the other corner, Christian Gonzalez or going OL with Skoronski. im not a big fan of using #7 on either of those guys, which is why I fully expect they will take on of those two, or maybe Paris Johnson

[leemajors]

im very used to being disappointed by the raiders' drafts. ready for it again

my wish list at #7

1) QB preferably Richardson then Levis. i also wouldnt be made if we gave up some capital to move up for Richardson
2) Jalen Carter
3) Devon Witherspoon
4) trade down. the other options i've seen here are taking the other corner, Christian Gonzalez or going OL with Skoronski. im not a big fan of using #7 on either of those guys, which is why I fully expect they will take on of those two, or maybe Paris Johnson

This should be an entertaining draft, wouldn't mind the Boys trading down a bit with KC or someone and pick up some draft capital.

[spurraider21]

This should be an entertaining draft, wouldn't mind the Boys trading down a bit with KC or someone and pick up some draft capital.
more so than i can remember, its a draft where nobody really knows wtf is going to happen after #1

[spurraider21]

I haven’t done enough research for a full one round mock without just copying other mock drafts. Spent almost all my time looking into the QBs despite having every sense the raiders won’t take one

my top 12 mock draft, with no trades

1 - Panthers: Bryce Young. Best qb in the draft. Day 1 player. In the Wilson/mahomes style of play, just less physically gifted than frankly either

2 - Texans: Will Anderson. I had them going qb most of the way, but all the big media guys saying it’s very unlikely. They have another pick at 12 and can either take a qb there or move back up for another one. They take the sure thing edge player first.

3 - Cardinals: Paris Johnson. I think they really wanted to trade out of this pick but the league isn’t valuing the qbs as highly as once thought. Cards finally get OL help to support Kyler. Clean tackle prospect

4 - Colts: Will Levis. Most have stroud as qb2 but reason to believe colts brass are big believers in athletic profile at qb. Levis also fits their identity of being run and play action heavy. He’s also more pro ready than Stroud imo having played for two separate NFL offensive coordinators in pro style offenses. Day 1 starter over minshew

5 - Seahawks: Jalen Carter - Arguably the best player in the draft. Seattle seems like a great environment to manage his off field issues. Carroll loves these kinds of opportunities and they get a young monster to help restore their defense

6 - Lions: Devon Witherspoon. Gonzalez has better measurable a but Witherspoon is the better prospect. Very skilled, versatile, loves to play with fire and physicality. Fits the lions need and identity under Campbell

7 - Raiders: Pete Skoronski. While I would be pounding the table for Richardson, i don’t get the sense the raiders will do that. Skoronski is the best lineman in the draft but not the cleanest tackle. Think Brandon Scherff. A pretty safe, ground rule double type pick. The raiders do need interior OL help and he can wind up being the RT after a year or two as well

8 - Falcons - Tyree Wilson. I think QB is tempting but they are signaling confidence in Ridder and probably don’t rate these guys high enough to convince them otherwise. They’ve been completely retooling their defense but they need a good young edge across recently signed Calais Campbell

9 - Bears - Broderick Jones. They traded out of number 1 because they believe in Fields. They have acquired DJ Moore to be his #1, and they draft the best remaining LT prospect to keep him upright.

10 - Eagles: Nolan Smith. A lot of people are assuming they take Bijan, but their front office is pretty sharp. They know they will likely continue to hemorrhage defensive players year after year in free agency so they continue to stockpile at the edge. They don’t have a pressing need anywhere really.

11 - Titans: Anthony Richardson. I think the timing sucks here, because Richardson being groomed to take over a role on an offense with AJB and Henry seems amazing. Buy Brown is gone, and it looks like Henry won’t be around long. But Tannehill is a hell of a role model for Richardson to try to model his game after to reign in some of his bad impulses. My favorite player in the draft finds a home.

12 - Texans: CJ Stroud. They thread the needle here. They get Anderson at #2 and still get the QB they probably like the most. I don’t think he starts day 1 and they probably want to ensure they have legit receiving talent before throwing him out there. But you are hoping he becomes more Joe Burrow and less Derek Carr as far as his ability to deal with pressure.

[leemajors]

I haven’t done enough research for a full one round mock without just copying other mock drafts. Spent almost all my time looking into the QBs despite having every sense the raiders won’t take one

my top 12 mock draft, with no trades

1 - Panthers: Bryce Young. Best qb in the draft. Day 1 player. In the Wilson/mahomes style of play, just less physically gifted than frankly either

2 - Texans: Will Anderson. I had them going qb most of the way, but all the big media guys saying it’s very unlikely. They have another pick at 12 and can either take a qb there or move back up for another one. They take the sure thing edge player first.

3 - Cardinals: Paris Johnson. I think they really wanted to trade out of this pick but the league isn’t valuing the qbs as highly as once thought. Cards finally get OL help to support Kyler. Clean tackle prospect

4 - Colts: Will Levis. Most have stroud as qb2 but reason to believe colts brass are big believers in athletic profile at qb. Levis also fits their identity of being run and play action heavy. He’s also more pro ready than Stroud imo having played for two separate NFL offensive coordinators in pro style offenses. Day 1 starter over minshew

5 - Seahawks: Jalen Carter - Arguably the best player in the draft. Seattle seems like a great environment to manage his off field issues. Carroll loves these kinds of opportunities and they get a young monster to help restore their defense

6 - Lions: Devon Witherspoon. Gonzalez has better measurable a but Witherspoon is the better prospect. Very skilled, versatile, loves to play with fire and physicality. Fits the lions need and identity under Campbell

7 - Raiders: Pete Skoronski. While I would be pounding the table for Richardson, i don’t get the sense the raiders will do that. Skoronski is the best lineman in the draft but not the cleanest tackle. Think Brandon Scherff. A pretty safe, ground rule double type pick. The raiders do need interior OL help and he can wind up being the RT after a year or two as well

8 - Falcons - Tyree Wilson. I think QB is tempting but they are signaling confidence in Ridder and probably don’t rate these guys high enough to convince them otherwise. They’ve been completely retooling their defense but they need a good young edge across recently signed Calais Campbell

9 - Bears - Broderick Jones. They traded out of number 1 because they believe in Fields. They have acquired DJ Moore to be his #1, and they draft the best remaining LT prospect to keep him upright.

10 - Eagles: Nolan Smith. A lot of people are assuming they take Bijan, but their front office is pretty sharp. They know they will likely continue to hemorrhage defensive players year after year in free agency so they continue to stockpile at the edge. They don’t have a pressing need anywhere really.

11 - Titans: Anthony Richardson. I think the timing sucks here, because Richardson being groomed to take over a role on an offense with AJB and Henry seems amazing. Buy Brown is gone, and it looks like Henry won’t be around long. But Tannehill is a hell of a role model for Richardson to try to model his game after to reign in some of his bad impulses. My favorite player in the draft finds a home.

12 - Texans: CJ Stroud. They thread the needle here. They get Anderson at #2 and still get the QB they probably like the most. I don’t think he starts day 1 and they probably want to ensure they have legit receiving talent before throwing him out there. But you are hoping he becomes more Joe Burrow and less Derek Carr as far as his ability to deal with pressure.

I guess Sneaky Pete probably doesn't care about Carters off field shit. Been seeing a bit of stuff saying he may fall out of top 10

[spurraider21]

well looks like i was already wrong. CJ Stroud now -2000 to go #2 overall. houston had a great poker face the whole time

[DAF86]

You get Mahomes and Kelce there just to do that? :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Young goes first, no surprise, but he won't even have a career as good as his predecessor ....Cam Newton. Basically shorty-pants Cam Newton minus 2015. I.e. mediocre, short career as a starter.

He's too short for the NFL.

Floor: Johnny Manziel
Ceiling: Post-2013 Russell Wilson
Likely: Baker Mayfield

[Millennial_Messiah]

CJ Stroud... the biggest bust in the draft... goes 2nd overall to the Texans.

Floor: Dwayne Haskins (Trashkins - RIP)
Ceiling: Deshaun Watson (won't happen)
Likely: Justin Fields in his first two years form with the Bears.

[DAF86]

Goodell hugging kids that are 35 years younger than himas if they were lifetime friends is pretty cringey, tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

>>> TRADE <<< !!!!!!!!!!!


The Texans traded a premium to trade up to 3rd. Never seen that before... a team picks both 2nd and 3rd overall.

Pick Will Anderson, the best pass rusher in the draft. Excellent pick, but they still don't have a franchise quarterback.

Floor: Dante Fowler
Ceiling: LT
Likely: Myles Garrett

[Millennial_Messiah]

Goodell hugging as lifetime friends kids that are 35 years younger than him is pretty cringey, tbh.

Tellin' Joe Biden, "Hold my Bud Light!"

:lol

[DAF86]

Anthony Richardson, that's the surefire bust.

[leemajors]

Did not think this would happen lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Wow.... What an overdraft.

He was worth a 2nd round flier. But 4th overall... Nope... Indiana just proves time and again that they're one of the worst franchises in football and have been since they lost Peyton Manning.

He's too raw.

Talk about Stroud being a bust... This guy will be a bigger bust.

He's a gadget quarterback.

He can make plays.

He's not going to last.

Anthony Richardson... wow... mind boggling... bozo decision by Colts... drafted 4th overall.


Floor: Joe Webb III / Terrelle Pryor
Ceiling: 2015 Cam Newton
Likely: Geno Smith (At best)

.....tbh. :bang

[Millennial_Messiah]

Seahawks pick the tall thin rangy press corner in Devon Witherspoon over better "cover" corners, no surprise. But he did run a 4.45 unlike guys like Sherminator.

Solid pick considering Pete Carroll's scheme. B+


Floor: Tre Flowers
Ceiling: Richard Sherman in his prime, but faster and less reliant on zone
Likely: Tariq Woolen, their incumbent CB1 who made the pro bowl last year

[Millennial_Messiah]

>>>> TRADE <<<<

AZ and Katie Hobbs trade back to 6th with the Lions who are doing a good job stockpiling talent. Have no idea what AZ is doing considering they're in limbo at QB and other positions as well as coaching.

Arizona selects Paris Johnson Jr. who's probably a right tackle in the NFL. Yes, they're bad on offensive line, but they have more pressing needs too... not crazy about the pick or the player. D+ especially since they traded up.

Floor: Ereck Flowers
Ceiling: DJ Humphries (carves a career at left tackle)
Likely: Morgan Moses (a solid but not elite right tackle starter)

[Millennial_Messiah]

Raiders select Tyree Wilson 7th overall... very naturally talented player, not the most polished product. B+, though, if they can maximize his talent he can be a DeMarcus Ware type

Good to pair with Maxx Crosby IMO. And they have Chandler Jones too though he's a backup at this stage of his career.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol Falcons gonna Falcon. Of course they pick the running back despite the fact they have no quarterback or offensive line. Such an Atlanta pick. They'll always be losers for a reason.

Falcons draft 8th overall... Bijan Robinson. Running back. :lol

Good running back..... but, he's a running back... even an elite running back is rarely worth much in terms of "W" and "L". The only recent example of note has been Derrick Henry and even he has declined a bit.

[lefty20]

Jalen Carter for a 4th rd pick next year

:hang

[FkLA]

:lol Falcons gonna Falcon. Of course they pick the running back despite the fact they have no quarterback or offensive line. Such an Atlanta pick. They'll always be losers for a reason.

Falcons draft 8th overall... Bijan Robinson. Running back. :lol

Good running back..... but, he's a running back... even an elite running back is rarely worth much in terms of "W" and "L". The only recent example of note has been Derrick Henry and even he has declined a bit.

Bijan is Henry level good, tbf.

[Millennial_Messiah]

>>>>> TRADE!!! <<<<<

Howie Roseman and John Fetterman of the Eagles... who are better than... the eagles!!! ....have traded up to the 9th overall pick. With the Bears. I don't get the idea of trading 1 pick ahead rather than 2. Seems like a waste of that 4th rounder. The Bears always seemed to be involved in these, just like they were on the other side with Trubisky in 2017. Kind of more of a Fetterman move than a Roseman or Nick Sirianni move, tbh. :lol

With the 9th overall pick, the Eagles select... Jalen Carter. Probably the best pick in the draft. I give the selection an "A". But only docked a half letter grade because of trading 1 pick ahead which is stupid. If they had stood pat and got him at #10, it would have been the A+ pick.

Eagles sure know how to pick good players in bad draft classes... look at 2013.

Ideal replacement for Javon Hargrave, who bailed for the Niners, IMO.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bijan is Henry level good, tbf.
Yeah, but he's not heavy and big enough to hold up the way Henry has. He's built pretty much exactly like Zeke. He'll have a couple good years but you can make a strong argument he won't because the Falcons offensive line is one of the worst in the NFL unlike, say, the Cowboys in the early Zeke years or the Eagles since pretty much forever.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Jalen Carter for a 4th rd pick next year

:hang
Let's be honest, the Bears weren't picking Carter if they made that move.

Howie just got jumpy, that's all.

[benefactor]

Bijan is Henry level good, tbf.
But you have to agree that even as a generational talent at RB top ten is a reach. I love him and I wouldn't have done it

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bears draft Darnell Wright, offensive tackle, 10th overall.
lefty20 the Bears were always drafting an O-lineman. Not Jalen Carter. Monsters of the Midway is over... the team is Justin Fields. By far their biggest flaw for a long time running has been OL. Hopefully he pans out and isn't another first round bust lineman.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Eagles... blue chip... Jalen Carter.

Floor: Timmy Jernigan
Ceiling: Aaron Donald
Likely: Javon Hargrave (the pro bowl DT they just lost in free agency for $21 Million per year)

[lefty20]

Let's be honest, the Bears weren't picking Carter if they made that move.

Howie just got jumpy, that's all.

Would've still preferred to take Carter over getting an extra 4th rounder next year.

Hopefully JF's play will make the upgraded protection worth it.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Skoronski... probably a guard.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Lions shit the bed by taking... RUNNING BACK... Gibbs. 12th overall. Like, why? The offense is already very good. They need to drastically improve their defense. They're still the best team in the North IMO, but that kind of move sets a franchise back at least a bit.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Would've still preferred to take Carter over getting an extra 4th rounder next year.

Hopefully JF's play will make the upgraded protection worth it.

And hopefully Darnell Wright is better than the likes of past tackles, like, Massey, Leno, et al who were never very good.

[Robz4000]

:lol so many awful moves in this draft

[Millennial_Messiah]

Packers on the clock at 13. Should seriously consider taking Will Levis. I don't think Jordan Love is an NFL caliber starter (he's a solid backup) and he's only got one year left plus an option either.

[Millennial_Messiah]

well, Will Hunting, at least there is one place, officially, for a black guy named Gibbs in Michigan. :tu

[FkLA]

But you have to agree that even as a generational talent at RB top ten is a reach. I love him and I wouldn't have done it

Probably. But a part of me felt obligated to defend the pick a little because he's that special and it's not his fault the value of the RB position has plummeted.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Packers overdrafting a bigger 3-4 DE... he's not gonna be Clay Matthews, he's def going to be more Dean Lowry than a Matthews type. Definitely a 2nd round pick and a big time reach for a team and franchise that's rapidly going down the shitter.

IMO, drafting Levis was a no brainer for them. Drafting 2nd round talent Lukas Van Ness at 13th overall is a D- at best pick. :bang

[Millennial_Messiah]

Probably. But a part of me felt obligated to defend the pick a little because he's that special and it's not his fault the value of the RB position has plummeted.

People said these exact things about Zeke.
And they were vindicated after 2016...

But it was all downhill from there.

Similar goes for Leonard Fournette the very next year... 2017... who had one stellar year and an even worse career than Zeke, though he did win a championship ring as a committee back with the Bucs.

[FkLA]

Lions shit the bed by taking... RUNNING BACK... Gibbs. 12th overall. Like, why? The offense is already very good. They need to drastically improve their defense. They're still the best team in the North IMO, but that kind of move sets a franchise back at least a bit.

Awful.

Just signed Montgomery and still have Swift.

[Millennial_Messiah]

>>>> TRADE <<<<

Steelers acquire 14th pick from Patriots, draft an OK offensive tackle at 14th, Broderick Jones. Not super impressed with him either. "C" grade pick, especially considering the trade-up. Yes they need to rebuild the o-line but not the best draft for that.

The draft is so heavy at certain positions like DT and TE and so light at others like exterior offensive linemen.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Awful.

Just signed Montgomery and still have Swift.

Exactly. That's not a BPA pick; that's just a stupid pick. they would have been smart to keep their original pick and take Jalen Carter. Generational DT to pair with Aidan Hutchinson which would make that a ferocious d-line.

[Millennial_Messiah]

No receivers of any kind off the board yet. I guess all the good receivers were taken the past 3 years.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Will McDonald off the board to the Jets. Rodgers probably wanted a receiver, but McDonald is a good player... but he's a tweener like a present day Micah Parsons. Will the Jets play 3-4 and let him rush the passer (his best strength), or will they keep the 4-3 in place and relegate him to off ball linebacker duty? That's the question.

"B" pick for the Jets imo... could be a Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith but could be a Micah Parsons.

[Millennial_Messiah]

If Will Levis somehow falls to Dallas, I hope we take him :lol

[benefactor]

:lol so many awful moves in this draft
You know we are in bizarro world when Houston made one of the better moves:lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Redskins/Commanders take Emmanuel Forbes... 2nd round corner, IMO.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You know we are in bizarro world when Houston made one of the better moves:lol

Houston shit the bed at #2 then responded by taking potentially the next Von Miller at #3.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Christian Gonzalez... another Byron Jones type. More athlete than player. 2nd round IMO. Patriots continue to shit the bed in the draft.

[DAF86]

Tampa has to take Levis, right?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Detroit selects Jack Campbell at #18 overall ... I like that pick for the Lions ... linchpail mike linebacker, won't be a pass rusher but the best off ball linebacker in the draft and Dan Campbell's kind of guy. A- selection after an F+ earlier pick in Gibbs.

Ceiling: Luke Kuechly
Floor: Paul Posluszny
Likely: Leighton Vander Esch before the injuries

[leemajors]

Tampa has to take Levis, right?

Why? They are gonna suck either way and can probably draft a better one next year

[DAF86]

Why? They are gonna suck either way and can probably draft a better one next year

Levis at 19 seemed like great value, considering some folks even had him going number 1 overall. Specially for a team that needs a QB.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Tampa has to take Levis, right?

... :lol nope

Bucs draft Calijah Kancey at 19.

They drafted a guy who is red chip at best at DT, not even one of the best DTs remaining, probably a day two talent guy. Sure they had a hole to fill at DT next to Vita Vea, but that's an odd pick and a bit of a reach. He was productive in college but against inferior competition. He might be a solid three-tech but he'll never be Aaron Donald or Jalen Carter.

[benefactor]

I like Levis but I always had the feeling he would fall. He will be a value pick for some team willing to develop him. Not a bad idea for Seattle here

[Millennial_Messiah]

Levis at 19 seemed like great value, considering some folks even had him going number 1 overall. Specially for a team that needs a QB.

Seattle just re-upped Geno Smith for $25 Million per year for three years, don't see them taking him either.

The dream of Levis to Dallas to replace Prescott is alive. One man can only hope.


I like Levis but I always had the feeling he would fall. He will be a value pick for some team willing to develop him. Not a bad idea for Seattle here
Yeah, if they had tagged Geno Smith instead of paying him big money, that would have made sense.

Aaron Rodgers 2.0.

I had him as the best QB in the draft a long long time ago. Oddly enough, the guy that was drafted #1 this year is a lot like Alex Smith except black. :lol

[Robz4000]

You know we are in bizarro world when Houston made one of the better moves:lol

They lose points for not just taking him at #2 tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Finally a receiver goes... and it's at #20... decent WR added to a good offense. Won't have to be a #1 since they have DK Metcalf.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Njigba for Seattle projects as a slot receiver. Too slow (over 4.5) and too short (5'10") to be a "Z" receiver across from "X" Metcalf.

Maybe the Seahawks are planning to unload Tyler Lockett, which doesn't make sense.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Here comes the run on receivers and pass catchers.

Like that pick (Quentin Johnson) for the Chargers at #21. He's basically another Mike Williams, who is arguably elite, so the Chargers now have two of them with Keenan Allen in the slot. Not a speed receiver, but having two Mike Williams isn't a bad thing. Comps to Dez Bryant and Mike Williams very well.

[Millennial_Messiah]

And the receiver run continues... Zay Flowers to the Ravens at 22... probably the best pure "Z" receiver in the draft, as he ran 4.4 at 5'10". Maybe the Hollywood Marquise Brown replacement that the Ravens needed since trading him to AZ. OBJ is probably a slot receiver at this point in his career.

Who's Minnesota going to take? Invest in Cousins, or replace him with someone who's been comped to him?

[benefactor]

They lose points for not just taking him at #2 tbh.
I hear ya, but at least they are showing some balls. That's never been the Houston way

[Millennial_Messiah]

Four receivers in a row... nice. Jordan Addison WR to Vikings at 23. Good slot receiver in the NFL... won't be more than that. Again, won't have to be a #1 obviously with future HOFer Justin Jefferson at "X" receiver.

Will Levis still on the board.

Giants and Jags traded.. again a one-spot trade, second of the night... that's a head scratcher. Them and Jacksonville obviously aren't going QB, so Levis will be on the board at #26 if Jerruh wants him.


Giants select cornerback Deonte Banks at #24... decent corner, probably 2nd round talent.

[benefactor]

Well we know the Giants aren't taking Levis. Dallas you are on the clock

[Millennial_Messiah]

Well we know the Giants aren't taking Levis. Dallas you are on the clock

Jacksonville traded the pick to Buffalo and we know Buffalo isn't taking Levis, either, even though I think they should because he's a better quarterback than their incumbent. :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

With the 25th pick and Trevor "Tarzan Lawrence" Legend in the bag, the Jacksonville Jaguars... kings of the AFC South... trade their pick to Buffalo.

The Bills select... Dalton Kincaid... one of the best TE's in the draft... first off the board.

Though I still think Dawson Knox is their best tight end.

[Millennial_Messiah]

We are on the clock!!!! Mark Celibate SpursforSix let's party!!!!

[Millennial_Messiah]

Cowboys actually went with the Vita Vea nose tackle pick. :wow We take Mazi Smith, 3-4 Nose tackle, at #26. I actually like it. A- pick imo, it's definitely a change of pace.

That's really the surprise of the night. When's the last time we've taken a nose tackle before day 3? Definitely not in the Jerruh era.

He's probably the best of his kind since Vita Vea... Dexter Lawrence (NYG). He's not going to get a ton of sacks but he'll get 5-6 sacks per year and absolutely demolish the run. 6'3" and about 350 pounds and quick. Michigan players make good NFL defenders. He's a monster.

[Millennial_Messiah]

We're building this 3-4 defense. Got a good rotation going now with Mazi Smith and Hankins at nose, bunch of guys who are undersized at NT but can play DE well like Gallimore, Odighizuwa, Golston et al. Even Lawrence can kick inside and play 5-tech DE especially on passing down and distance. We still have the elite deep pass-rushing OLB corps in Parsons, Williams, Armstrong, Fowler.... (& DeMarcus Lawrence on the regular base downs)

Not the most talented player on the board, but makes perfect sense considering that we've consistently been one of the worst run defense teams in the past 5-6 years or so.

[benefactor]

Cowboys actually went with the Vita Vea nose tackle pick. :wow We take Mazi Smith, 3-4 Nose tackle, at #26. I actually like it. A- pick imo, it's definitely a change of pace.

That's really the surprise of the night. When's the last time we've taken a nose tackle before day 3? Definitely not in the Jerruh era.

He's probably the best of his kind since Vita Vea... Dexter Lawrence (NYG). He's not going to get a ton of sacks but he'll get 5-6 sacks per year and absolutely demolish the run. 6'3" and about 350 pounds and quick. Michigan players make good NFL defenders. He's a monster.
You won't like it when Dak gets hurt again tbh

[DAF86]

Damn, the Eagles with an A+++ first round.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Eagles once again have the best draft to this point. That D-Line is absolutely stacked.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You won't like it when Dak gets hurt again tbh
To be fair, I wanted Levis, but with who's picking left in the first round we could always trade up.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Damn, the Eagles with an A+++ first round.

Howie Roseman: I will never accept anything less than the #1 defensive line in football

[Millennial_Messiah]

KC reached just to take the hometown local kid tbh. He's a 3rd round talent imo.

[leemajors]

You won't like it when Dak gets hurt again tbh

They should draft a decent OL prospect in the next round or two, dunno if it would have been worth it at 26. Parsons was happy, that is probably the most important thing tbh.

Was also pretty surprised by Houston not taking Anderson at 2, then trading right back up and getting him. Must be a little satisfying to see them be aggressive like that

[Millennial_Messiah]

They should draft a decent OL prospect in the next round or two, dunno if it would have been worth it at 26. Parsons was happy, that is probably the most important thing tbh.

Was also pretty surprised by Houston not taking Anderson at 2, then trading right back up and getting him. Must be a little satisfying to see them be aggressive like that

I'd take left guard Steve Avila at 58 if he's there for sure. He can also play center if necessary as he did so in college, but that wouldn't be ideal.

I'm pretty stoked with the 3-4 Nose Tackle pick (Mazi Smith) because that's a position we have neglected literally my entire lifetime... last time they drafted a DT of any sort in the first round was 1991, a couple years before I was born. They won 3 of the next 4 super bowls after that pick, too. Stopping the run is the team's biggest achilles' heel and it has been for at least 5-6 years, and arguably the last 10-11 years. Last time they were actually solid against the run was in the Wade Phillips era.

So glad we didn't pick a tight end or a halfback in the first round.

[Blake]

Bijan is Henry level good, tbf.

Probably no

[Tyronn Lue]

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[SpursforSix]

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"I have to poop"

[spurraider21]

I haven’t done enough research for a full one round mock without just copying other mock drafts. Spent almost all my time looking into the QBs despite having every sense the raiders won’t take one

my top 12 mock draft, with no trades

1 - Panthers: Bryce Young. Best qb in the draft. Day 1 player. In the Wilson/mahomes style of play, just less physically gifted than frankly either

2 - Texans: Will Anderson. I had them going qb most of the way, but all the big media guys saying it’s very unlikely. They have another pick at 12 and can either take a qb there or move back up for another one. They take the sure thing edge player first.

3 - Cardinals: Paris Johnson. I think they really wanted to trade out of this pick but the league isn’t valuing the qbs as highly as once thought. Cards finally get OL help to support Kyler. Clean tackle prospect

4 - Colts: Will Levis. Most have stroud as qb2 but reason to believe colts brass are big believers in athletic profile at qb. Levis also fits their identity of being run and play action heavy. He’s also more pro ready than Stroud imo having played for two separate NFL offensive coordinators in pro style offenses. Day 1 starter over minshew

5 - Seahawks: Jalen Carter - Arguably the best player in the draft. Seattle seems like a great environment to manage his off field issues. Carroll loves these kinds of opportunities and they get a young monster to help restore their defense

6 - Lions: Devon Witherspoon. Gonzalez has better measurable a but Witherspoon is the better prospect. Very skilled, versatile, loves to play with fire and physicality. Fits the lions need and identity under Campbell

7 - Raiders: Pete Skoronski. While I would be pounding the table for Richardson, i don’t get the sense the raiders will do that. Skoronski is the best lineman in the draft but not the cleanest tackle. Think Brandon Scherff. A pretty safe, ground rule double type pick. The raiders do need interior OL help and he can wind up being the RT after a year or two as well

8 - Falcons - Tyree Wilson. I think QB is tempting but they are signaling confidence in Ridder and probably don’t rate these guys high enough to convince them otherwise. They’ve been completely retooling their defense but they need a good young edge across recently signed Calais Campbell

9 - Bears - Broderick Jones. They traded out of number 1 because they believe in Fields. They have acquired DJ Moore to be his #1, and they draft the best remaining LT prospect to keep him upright.

10 - Eagles: Nolan Smith. A lot of people are assuming they take Bijan, but their front office is pretty sharp. They know they will likely continue to hemorrhage defensive players year after year in free agency so they continue to stockpile at the edge. They don’t have a pressing need anywhere really.

11 - Titans: Anthony Richardson. I think the timing sucks here, because Richardson being groomed to take over a role on an offense with AJB and Henry seems amazing. Buy Brown is gone, and it looks like Henry won’t be around long. But Tannehill is a hell of a role model for Richardson to try to model his game after to reign in some of his bad impulses. My favorite player in the draft finds a home.

12 - Texans: CJ Stroud. They thread the needle here. They get Anderson at #2 and still get the QB they probably like the most. I don’t think he starts day 1 and they probably want to ensure they have legit receiving talent before throwing him out there. But you are hoping he becomes more Joe Burrow and less Derek Carr as far as his ability to deal with pressure.
no mock is perfect, but this wasnt too bad

hit Panthers getting Bryce
hit Texans getting Anderson and Stroud (in different spots)
hit Cardinals taking Paris Johnson
hit Eagles taking Nolan Smith (at different spot)

had Colts taking a QB, just wrong one. same with bears going OL

i didnt think Carter would fall that far. kudos to the eagles man, their GM is the best in the business when it comes to trading and drafting. while i wanted the raiders to swing at qb, Richardson wasnt available. im glad they didnt reach for Christian Gonzalez. i expected them to go OL, but Wilson is a fine pick too. i would have preferred Carter at that spot, though

[spurraider21]

:lol so many awful moves in this draft
texans trade-up was egregious, and lions picks were just trash

[spurraider21]

I like Levis but I always had the feeling he would fall. He will be a value pick for some team willing to develop him. Not a bad idea for Seattle here
i was lukewarm on him as a top 10 pick. wouldnt have been mad due to positional value. but id love for the raiders to be able to snag him in the 2nd round. taking Tyree Wilson and Levis in the first has same vibes as getting Mack and Carr in 2014.

[FrostKing]

Most these teams that drafted QBs early will be drafting at the Top again. Over/Under 1 of them is still starting on his team in 5 years.

[leemajors]

I'd like Roschon in the 4th or 5th if he is available. Can contribute immediately on special teams and take over rb2

[spurraider21]

Most these teams that drafted QBs early will be drafting at the Top again. Over/Under 1 of them is still starting on his team in 5 years.
i mean hit rates on QB is generally low. but better to take swings than not to take swings.

cardinals drafted josh rosen. didnt work out. 1 year later took kyler, who had been a big improvement (looks like he has personality issues that are stunting his development tbh)

you dont want to be the jaguars passing on mahomes/watson because you feel content with bortles. if qb has a 25% hit rate and you only draft 1 qb every 3-4 years, could be a loong time until you find the guy. if you draft one every 1-2 years, you'll probably find yours sooner

[Millennial_Messiah]

Dang it, pretty much everyone I wanted for the Cowboys on day 2 has already been picked and we're only 5 picks into day two. :(

[Millennial_Messiah]

NFL with the most non woke moment in probably a decade at least :wow playing the Trump anthem between the 2nd and 3rd round in KC. I guess catering to a more midwest / Missouri audience.

[spurraider21]

Eh. B- draft by the raiders.

I just fundamentally disagree with them not being aggressive with the top qbs. Would have loved a move up to take Richardson. But Texans gave such an absurd haul to AZ for freaking will anderson that it probably wasn’t feasible. Not moving up to grab Levis… they just seem oddly confident in Jimmy G and i don’t buy that vision

as far as actual picks, Tyree Wilson is fine (preferred Carter, but Raiders probably highly sensitive to a guy with a driving incident after Ruggs). Made sense to grab Mayer in a loaded TE class after dealing Waller.

But they had a stretch where 2 of their 3 picks (third rounder + two 4ths) went to a speed/gadget receiver and a backup qb in O’Connell. Just seemed like bizarre priorities given the state of the team. We should have left this draft with more than 1 corner and at least one interior OL so those seemed bizarre.

The player quality was mostly fine, just an overall approach i can’t get behind

[MultiTroll]

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