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Millennial_Messiah
02-02-2023, 04:41 PM
.... has officially become the first to challenge Trump for president.

Don't want either one, but I particularly despise the dothead known to the public as "Nikki Haley".

Also hope she won't pull votes away from a better candidate like Desantis (or if he doesn't decide to run, then Youngkin or Zeldin).

Discuss

Blake
02-02-2023, 04:53 PM
Who? Why is somebody that won't win presidency up for discussion for you?

pgardn
02-02-2023, 05:04 PM
Discuss how the red team rids itself of Trump.
Because he is your leader right now.

koriwhat
02-02-2023, 05:41 PM
Discuss how the red team rids itself of Trump.
Because he is your leader right now.

He's leading no one. I'd rather we, the USA, rid ourselves of woke bullshit, the squad, the life long retards in congress/gov't, the neocons, the socialist scumbags, the grifting BLM, shit head Antifa, funding the world and proxy wars, etc...

Blake
02-02-2023, 06:48 PM
Oh hey apparently kori isn't the only one wishing death today. Other Republicans are too.

"
Feb. 2, 2023, 12:40 PM EST
By Michael A. Cohen
Donald Trump is an electoral disaster for the Republican Party. He cost the GOP control of the House of Representatives in 2018, lost the presidency in 2020, and contributed to the party’s underperformance in the 2022 midterms.

So how to stop Trump from wreaking havoc in 2024? Apparently some desperate Republicans are simply hoping he dies before the election..."

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/morbid-plan-avoid-trump-winning-gop-nomination-rcna68404

Blake
02-02-2023, 06:53 PM
.....According to former Michigan Rep. Peter Mejier, “You have a lot of folks who are just wishing for [Trump’s] mortal demise. I want to be clear: I’m not in that camp. But I’ve heard from a lot of people who will go onstage and put on the red hat, and then give me a call the next day and say, ‘I can’t wait until this guy dies.’” Coppins noted that Mark Leibovich, in his recent book “Thank You for Your Servitude,” quotes a former Republican representative saying of Trump, “We’re just waiting for him to die.” ....

Ef-man
02-02-2023, 06:53 PM
Oh hey apparently kori isn't the only one wishing death today. Other Republicans are too.

"
Feb. 2, 2023, 12:40 PM EST
By Michael A. Cohen
Donald Trump is an electoral disaster for the Republican Party. He cost the GOP control of the House of Representatives in 2018, lost the presidency in 2020, and contributed to the party’s underperformance in the 2022 midterms.

So how to stop Trump from wreaking havoc in 2024? Apparently some desperate Republicans are simply hoping he dies before the election..."

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/morbid-plan-avoid-trump-winning-gop-nomination-rcna68404

Did they at least say God Bless?

Blake
02-02-2023, 07:04 PM
Did they at least say God Bless?

Grandmas be proud

Adam Lambert
02-02-2023, 07:06 PM
.....According to former Michigan Rep. Peter Mejier, “You have a lot of folks who are just wishing for [Trump’s] mortal demise. I want to be clear: I’m not in that camp. But I’ve heard from a lot of people who will go onstage and put on the red hat, and then give me a call the next day and say, ‘I can’t wait until this guy dies.’” Coppins noted that Mark Leibovich, in his recent book “Thank You for Your Servitude,” quotes a former Republican representative saying of Trump, “We’re just waiting for him to die.” ....

Just like most Republican voters on this forum, they're too cowardly to openly criticize or defy Dear Leader. At least with elected officials you can see the possible electoral consequences of such criticism.

Ef-man
02-02-2023, 08:05 PM
Just like most Republican voters on this forum, they're too cowardly to openly criticize or defy Dear Leader. At least with elected officials you can see the possible electoral consequences of such criticism.

A republican in this forum also think this is Tulsi.

She could be a Nikki or a Nookki or someone like that.


https://lajolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/tulsi-gabbard-bikini.jpg

Dirks_Finale
02-03-2023, 10:41 AM
She knows that she wont be the nominee. This is a play to ultimately be the 2nd female VP, imo.

Will Hunting
02-04-2023, 10:48 AM
Great article about how Nimrata "Nikki" Haley is basically an opportunist who just wants political power with no real ideals

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2021/magazine-nikki-haleys-choice/

The fact she's gonna come in like 4th place in her home state while McMaster, Graham and Tim Scott want nothing to do with her means her presidential campaign is DOA. She'd be a terrible VP as well.

Will Hunting
02-04-2023, 10:50 AM
Also the racist tweets Trump sends about Haley are going to be hilarious :lmao

I was literally loling when I saw this one:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnMqpZRXwAIYWRR?format=jpg&name=900x900

Winehole23
12-22-2023, 01:31 PM
detectible pucker factor

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Thread
12-22-2023, 01:55 PM
detectible pucker factor

1736940110711566735

Anytime somebody kicks your ass in a current thread you go and find a distant one like this to recover your shit.

WOOT!!!

scott
12-22-2023, 05:58 PM
tbh I think I'd be okay with Nikki + D Controlled House & Senate over Trump or Biden.

Thread
12-22-2023, 06:31 PM
tbh I think I'd be okay with Nikki + D Controlled House & Senate over Trump or Biden.

Well, if it is Trump again, try and not chop his head off, or, blow up the White House after he moves in with Mel. Can you manage that this time around, scott?

UNT Eagles 2016
12-23-2023, 02:06 AM
tbh I think I'd be okay with Nikki + D Controlled House & Senate over Trump or Biden.

I'd absolutely vote for Biden 110% over World War Three Nimrata 'GOPe Hillary' Haley.

If the GOP somehow successfully DQed Trump and nominated War Hawk Nimrata, I'd rush to vote early in person for Biden on the first possible early voting day. In Michigan. And almost certainly vote red down ballot.

UNT Eagles 2016
12-23-2023, 02:07 AM
Well, if it is Trump again, try and not chop his head off, or, blow up the White House after he moves in with Mel. Can you manage that this time around, scott?

The GOPe is worse than the Dems.

Will Hunting
12-23-2023, 09:52 AM
tbh I think I'd be okay with Nikki + D Controlled House & Senate over Trump or Biden.
There’s no plausible outcome where the Dems hold the senate and lose the presidency. Holding the senate means Sherrod Brown and Jon Tester have to win, and in any environment where they’re both winning a Dem presidential candidate is also winning.

Thread
12-23-2023, 12:07 PM
There’s no plausible outcome where the Dems hold the senate and lose the presidency. Holding the senate means Sherrod Brown and Jon Tester have to win, and in any environment where they’re both winning a Dem presidential candidate is also winning.


Well, if it is Trump again, Will, try and not chop his head off, or, blow up the White House after he moves in with Mel. Can you manage that this time around, Will?

ElNono
12-23-2023, 12:19 PM
I'd absolutely vote for Biden 110% over World War Three Nimrata 'GOPe Hillary' Haley.

If the GOP somehow successfully DQed Trump and nominated War Hawk Nimrata, I'd rush to vote early in person for Biden on the first possible early voting day. In Michigan. And almost certainly vote red down ballot.

Why lie? There’s no scenario where you’ll vote for Biden. The worst case is you don’t vote.

UNT Eagles 2016
12-23-2023, 12:24 PM
Why lie? There’s no scenario where you’ll vote for Biden. The worst case is you don’t vote.

I despise Haley and think of her as Hillary but with an 'R' next to her name. I'm a populist libertarian and don't necessarily vote red no matter who. Even my first ever vote when I was 18 and 8 months old, in November 2012, yes I voted Romney and Cruz obviously but voted for a small handful of Dems down the ticket because I actually pay attention and if I don't like someone I vote against them, simple as that.

Bidenflation is bad but seems to have been tapering off. A second Biden term would potentially be horrible for money savers like me if we're going to get another round of Keynesian-caused inflation, stimulus, green new deal packages, but it sure beats the hell out of nuking Iran and potentially Russia and having mutually assured destruction. It's no surprise Tim Scott had to immediately drop out once he let that cat out of the bag on the debate stage. Lindsey Graham his boyfriend thinks the same way and Nikki Haley being from the Military State of South Carolina another GOPe uniparty hack almost certainly thinks the same way. She is paid off by the Raytheon and Lockheeds of the world, 100%.

I'm generally dovish and anti-military, apart from having a strong national defense system but not offense unless instigated first like Pearl Harbor. Support the veterans to an extent but I don't believe DV's should be treated like demigods and given EVERYTHING.

ElNono
12-23-2023, 12:29 PM
I despise Haley and think of her as Hillary but with an 'R' next to her name. I'm a populist libertarian and don't necessarily vote red no matter who. Even my first ever vote when I was 18 and 8 months old, in November 2012, yes I voted Romney and Cruz obviously but voted for a small handful of Dems down the ticket because I actually pay attention and if I don't like someone I vote against them, simple as that.

Bidenflation is bad but seems to have been tapering off. A second Biden term would potentially be horrible for money savers like me if we're going to get another round of Keynesian-caused inflation, stimulus, green new deal packages, but it sure beats the hell out of nuking Iran and potentially Russia and having mutually assured destruction. It's no surprise Tim Scott had to immediately drop out once he let that cat out of the bag on the debate stage. Lindsey Graham his boyfriend thinks the same way and Nikki Haley being from the Military State of South Carolina another GOPe uniparty hack almost certainly thinks the same way. She is paid off by the Raytheon and Lockheeds of the world, 100%.

Blah blah, you’ll talk yourself into voting (R), whoever it is

ElNono
12-23-2023, 12:30 PM
I mean, you did a 180 on Trump in like 6 months. Remember you were stanning for DeathSantis not long ago? lmao

UNT Eagles 2016
12-23-2023, 12:37 PM
Blah blah, you’ll talk yourself into voting (R), whoever it is

If Kennedy [I] is on the ballot and Trump isn't.... I'd sure be tempted to vote third party, but it seems like such a dump vote like voting for Ross Perot. In a critical swing state you vote for one of the two candidates who could win or else your vote is a dump vote imo. The Muslims in Wayne County MI who hate Biden over 10/7 will
likely be voting third party for the most part, especially if Haley or Desantis is the GOP candidate, and it's their right to do so just like every other American... but, I'm a practicalist and vote with my best interests in mind.

I mean I believe Desantis is Bush 3.0 all the way, but I'd probably still end up voting for him over Biden... Haley or Christie, not so much. Haley seems to be gaining big time in the polls and if it is indeed her at the top of the ticket then yes I will vote for Biden and get my friends to do the same.


I mean, you did a 180 on Trump in like 6 months. Remember you were stanning for [Desantis] not long ago? lmao
A year ago. He'd just won re-election by 19.7% in an election he won by 0.4% four years prior, in a surprisingly purple national environment despite an unfavorable Biden incumbency.

Trump's Senate picks, specifically Walker and Oz, lost us the Senate, and many of his House picks lost us a ton of winnable seats as well, such as Sarah Palin, John Gibbs, JR Majewski (very winnable seat there with an establishment conservative with money, even in 2024 btw). Trump can't control SCOTUS in 2022 but he could have denounced the Dobbs decision instead of bragging about how it was his doing. Either way, repealing Roe was an anathema to the general public.

But then Desantis doubled down and made himself clearly the anti-choice candidate with the 6-week abortion ban in Florida which is draconian. Then he started public speaking and making an ass out of himself. His campaign fell flat. He did do surprisingly well and won the debate against Newsom, but that was moderated by Hannity so there's an asterisk there. For the most part he's come off as milquetoast, robotic, and unpresidential. Nobody with a brain cares about his height, he's just been a lousier candidate than we all expected and Trump has come roaring back. The indictments and attempts to remove Trump from the ballots have done nothing but portray to the general public and independents that the Democrats are hypocritical on the democracy issue. If there's one thing the American general public hates it's censorship and silencing of free speech, freedom of press, and voting freedom, regardless of which side does it.

Winehole23
12-24-2023, 01:12 AM
She knows that she wont be the nominee. This is a play to ultimately be the 2nd female VP, imo.Trump could die or become unelectable. He's sundowning like his opponent. Also, Trump's verbal expression is more scrambled and his emotional regulation is completely unhinged.

Haley's chances aren't great, but they're not zero either.

Winehole23
12-31-2023, 10:23 AM
In 1923, the Supreme Court decided in United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind that while Indians were classified as Caucasians by anthropologists, people of Indian descent were not white by common American definition, and thus not eligible to citizenship.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCny4qFWEAA8fpi?format=jpg&name=small


In 1975, the federal government convened an interagency committee to "(1) coordinate development of common definitions for racial and ethnic groups; (2) instruct the Federal agencies to collect racial and ethnic enrollment and other educational data on a compatible and nonduplicative basis." Although the report that spurred the existence of the committee had focused on the lack of uniform definitions of Chicanos, Puerto Ricans, and American Indians, the committee decided that it would make recommendations for racial and ethnic categorizations for the entire American population.

The groups and definitions recommended by the committee form the basis for the groups and definitions we still use today, with one major exception. Here is the committee's recommendation and explanation for the definition of a person in Caucasian/White category:


A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, or the Indian subcontinent. The major problem associated with this category, as with the "Asian.. –" category (above) was how to deal with persons from the Indian subcontinent. The question at issue was whether to include them in the minority category "Asian…" because they come from Asia and some are victims of discrimination in this country, or to include them in this category because they are Caucasians, though frequently of darker skin than other Caucasians. The final decision favored the latter. While evidence of discrimination against Asian Indians exists, it appears to be concentrated in specific geographical and occupational areas. Such persons can be identified in these areas through the use of a subcategory for their ethnic subgroup.



A Indian-American newspaper described what happened next:


In January 1976 … board members of the Association of Indians in America (AIA) and their legal counsel met with the Federal Interagency Committee's representatives in Washington D.C. with the purpose of effecting a change in the Indian classification from the "White" category into the "Asian or Pacific Islander" category. Dr. Manoranjan Dutta, president of the AIA, said that his organization began its campaign for the reclassification in the wake of numerous complaints by Indians of alleged discrimination. According to Dr. Dutta, Indians were not getting equal opportunity in jobs, for example, and any discrimination which they faced was being covered up under the guise of their "White" classification—a sort of "hidden" discrimination. Only if they were classified in the "correct" category of "Asian" could they seek immediate legal redress in cases of discrimination. Furthermore, the Asian category appeared to be more appropriate due to geographical reasons—India is a part of Asia.

In August 1976, a review of the five categories was indeed made, and the Federal Interagency Committee agreed by consensus to move the Indian immigrants from the "White" category to the "Asian and Pacific Islander" category… Dr. Dutta announced later in November of 1976 the finalization of the classification change to the Indian media, but it tended to be largely ignored by the American press.



Interestingly, "another group of Indians, who disagreed with this change, and who preferred that Indians be classified as 'White' in this context, later approached Hall's office to lobby for a return to the 'status quo,' but the effort was in vain, as the group had no data to back up their cause."

The final rule, promulgated by the Office of Management and Budget, did place Indians in the "Asian" category, where they have remained ever since.


The reason that they were put in the white category to begin with has been lost to history, beyond what the report quoted above said. I suspect that part of the issue was that the category used previously for "Asian" was "Oriental," by which people typically meant those from East Asia. Given that the largest relevant groups in the U.S. by far were Chinese, Japanese, and Filipinos, with very few Indians in the U.S. at the time, the committee was likely still used to separating East Asian "Orientals" from others.

In any event, that's how Asian Indians, who had been deemed non-white by the Supreme Court in the days of the Asian Exclusion Act in the 1920s, almost became white in the 1970s.
https://reason.com/volokh/2020/06/18/how-people-from-india-almost-became-white/




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Winehole23
12-31-2023, 10:25 AM
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