Lebron passes Kareem as All-Time scorer

[FrostKing]

Let's revisit the Legacy conversation. This is likely the last major career milestone James sets. There are no rings on the horizon.

To me Lebron has lived up to the hype and prophecy. He is one of the greatest to lace them up. From the High School to Pros generation.

I think I will appreciate him more once he's out of the League. Longevity wise he's Top5 athlete of my lifetime. I might disagree with much of his off court opinions which to me often seem forced but I recognize the road he blazed for the current player. Overall James carried himself with class and he is a pillar for the sport. I am proud to say I watched Lebron play.

[KingKev]

Let's revisit the Legacy conversation. This is likely the last major career milestone James sets. There are no rings on the horizon.

To me Lebron has lived up to the hype and prophecy. He is one of the greatest to lace them up. From the High School to Pros generation.

I think I will appreciate him more once he's out of the League. Longevity wise he's Top5 athlete of my lifetime. I might disagree with much of his off court opinions which to me often seem forced but I recognize the road he blazed for the current player. Overall James carried himself with class and he is a pillar for the sport. I am proud to say I watched Lebron play.

Tough to really have a bad thing to say about him. 20+ years in the limelight and not a single scandal. Off court he is a great person. Also revolutionized how to keep your body in game shape with his nutrition and training.

I don’t even mind wanting to team up with other stars but him basically being the GM for the back half of his career bothers me because it probably cost him more titles than it got him.

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/sx4z_pCA_6k

Signature moment

[lefty]

Undisputed GOAT tbh

Still a piece of shit for his China comments tho

[koriwhat]

Undisputed GOAT tbh

Nah

[ambchang]

Undisputed GOAT tbh

Still a piece of shit for his China comments tho

He stood up for black people though. Unlike jordan, who pitted blacks against one another and made billions out of Chinese slave labour.

[140]

He stood up for black people though. Unlike jordan, who pitted blacks against one another and made billions out of Chinese slave labour.
sure, but only when it became profitable

[ambchang]

sure, but only when it became profitable

Jordan suppressed black people for profits.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Let's revisit the Legacy conversation. This is likely the last major career milestone James sets. There are no rings on the horizon.

To me Lebron has lived up to the hype and prophecy. He is one of the greatest to lace them up. From the High School to Pros generation.

I think I will appreciate him more once he's out of the League. Longevity wise he's Top5 athlete of my lifetime. I might disagree with much of his off court opinions which to me often seem forced but I recognize the road he blazed for the current player. Overall James carried himself with class and he is a pillar for the sport. I am proud to say I watched Lebron play.

need a wet nap to soak up that dribble?

[FrostKing]

need a wet nap to soak up that dribble?
We are all sports fans here. I am not driven by jealousy or dislike. We can discuss his many weaknesses.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

We are all sports fans here. I am not driven by jealousy or dislike. We can discuss his many weaknesses.

probably has a weakness for bjs

[Raven]

his legacy is heavily decreasing every year. At this rate he'll barely be top 10 when all is said and done.

[Brazil]

his legacy is heavily decreasing every year. At this rate he'll barely be top 10 when all is said and done.

:lol how so ?

[Raven]

:lol how so ?

the current nba is heavily improving the legacy of the 60s-70s nba since the argument to discard those numbers has always been about how fast paced the game was. The fact that Lebron is failing in the current nba with superstar casts no other player has had (on paper), brings a whole bunch of arguments back. I don't expect him to fall down to oscar robertson levels, but wilt has surpassed him in my book. Could easily put him behind magic and a few boston players at this point

[baseline bum]

the current nba is heavily improving the legacy of the 60s-70s nba since the argument to discard those numbers has always been about how fast paced the game was. The fact that Lebron is failing in the current nba with superstar casts no other player has had (on paper), brings a whole bunch of arguments back. I don't expect him to fall down to oscar robertson levels, but wilt has surpassed him in my book. Could easily put him behind magic and a few boston players at this point

This is rich. So name all those Boston players ahead of LeBron. LOL Anthony Davis in street clothes half the season considered a superstar supporting cast.

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[baseline bum]

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Yeah it is pretty strange seeing him in uniform. Probably scared he'd blow out his knee if he jumped up and cheered.

[K...]

Good now the lakers can trade him before he walks and maybe get something. It's their best shot to rebuild and Lebron is basically a mercenary at this point.

[Texas_Ranger]

i guess i'd put him in the top 10 now. Still the biggest ring chaser ever, that always needed a super team to win. All of this would be much more impressive if he stayed in Cleveland. Almost same shit as Durant, just that Durnat ain't that good.

[lefty]

i guess i'd put him in the top 10 now. Still the biggest ring chaser ever, that always needed a super team to win. All of this would be much more impressive if he stayed in Cleveland. Almost same shit as Durant, just that Durnat ain't that good.
Yeah because Magic, Bird and Jordan didn't win with superteams

https://media.tenor.com/85FAlDB5okEAAAAC/jerry-seinfeld-eye-roll.gif

[horseshue]

Stopping the game 10 seconds before end of 3 q, for like 10 minutes was stupid and lame. I can't imagine anyone doing that in real sports competition. Congrats to lebron, he is my goat, but i'm glad they lost. That celebration should have happen after the game.

[Brazil]

the current nba is heavily improving the legacy of the 60s-70s nba since the argument to discard those numbers has always been about how fast paced the game was. The fact that Lebron is failing in the current nba with superstar casts no other player has had (on paper), brings a whole bunch of arguments back. I don't expect him to fall down to oscar robertson levels, but wilt has surpassed him in my book. Could easily put him behind magic and a few boston players at this point

:lol that makes absolutely no sense

Failing ? dude is 40 y/o and still top 5 in today's NBA, he cannot carry anymore the corpses of AD and Westbrick and that's your argument to sustain that his legacy is decreasing ?

the main argument to discard 60s and 70s is not the pace of the game but the fact they played against 6'0 white hair dressers. If Lebron is barely a top 10 all time, Kobe is what ? a top 100 ? :lol

The only argument today to not put him at the pinnacle all time is MJ

[baseline bum]

:lol that makes absolutely no sense

Failing ? dude is 40 y/o and still top 5 in today's NBA, he cannot carry anymore the corpses of AD and Westbrick and that's your argument to sustain that his legacy is decreasing ?

the main argument to discard 60s and 70s is not the pace of the game but the fact they played against 6'0 white hair dressers. If Lebron is barely a top 10 all time, Kobe is what ? a top 100 ? :lol

The only argument today to not put him at the pinnacle all time is MJ

I'm still trying to see who his a few Celtics who he puts ahead of LeBron are.

[JamStone]

I believe LeBron is the greatest player of his generation, of the last 20 years, since Michael. Better than Kobe or Duncan or Shaq. Better than where Durant or Steph will end up by the end of their careers. I do leave it open for a few of the younger guys like Freak, Joker, Luka whether they can continue on a career trajectory to be in that conversation. Likely not, but won’t close that door yet.

I also think LeBron is firmly in the conversation of Goat with Michael and Wilt and Kareem, depending on what your personal criteria is. Russell too if rings alone weigh big in your opinion. But with almost every Goat debate, I think LeBron ends up behind the likes of Michael or Wilt or Russell. I think he’s passed Kareem, and has arguments against both Wilt and Russell. Against Mike, it would be more complicated and you’d have to ignore some things. I do think he has an argument of being the most complete basketball player ever in terms of being good to great at pretty much every aspect of the game, with his ideal combination of size, athleticism, natural talent, skill, IQ, and actual production as a result of that talent.

Most of his career, I’ve found LeBron unlikable and annoying. Last few years, even more so because of how he’s whined about a team situation, a losing situation, he himself created. But objectively, his on the court resume, including now the all time scoring record, is spectacular and impressive.

[KobesAchilles]

Weird how almost nobody cared about this record. Is it bc Kareem held it and nobody gives a flip about him? Is it bc Lebron is annoying? I don’t know. But Aaron Judge got way more play for breaking the AL home run record than Lebron actually breaking a real record

[Brazil]

I'm still trying to see who his a few Celtics who he puts ahead of LeBron are.

in before :cry but but Bird IQ tho :cry

:lol

[Brazil]

I believe LeBron is the greatest player of his generation, of the last 20 years, since Michael. Better than Kobe or Duncan or Shaq. Better than where Durant or Steph will end up by the end of their careers. I do leave it open for a few of the younger guys like Freak, Joker, Luka whether they can continue on a career trajectory to be in that conversation. Likely not, but won’t close that door yet.

I also think LeBron is firmly in the conversation of Goat with Michael and Wilt and Kareem, depending on what your personal criteria is. Russell too if rings alone weigh big in your opinion. But with almost every Goat debate, I think LeBron ends up behind the likes of Michael or Wilt or Russell. I think he’s passed Kareem, and has arguments against both Wilt and Russell. Against Mike, it would be more complicated and you’d have to ignore some things. I do think he has an argument of being the most complete basketball player ever in terms of being good to great at pretty much every aspect of the game, with his ideal combination of size, athleticism, natural talent, skill, IQ, and actual production as a result of that talent.

Most of his career, I’ve found LeBron unlikable and annoying. Last few years, even more so because of how he’s whined about a team situation, a losing situation, he himself created. But objectively, his on the court resume, including now the all time scoring record, is spectacular and impressive.

+1

Dude is all time scorer shooting the ball over 50% then he is above 7 assists per game and 7 rebounds. One thing that is also spectacular is that he is so consistent over the years while playing for 3 different teams. His stats today are extremely comparable to his cleveland years and Miami. One can think what the fuck they want about the man but dude is an all time great.. no question

[lefty]

:lol that makes absolutely no sense

Failing ? dude is 40 y/o and still top 5 in today's NBA, he cannot carry anymore the corpses of AD and Westbrick and that's your argument to sustain that his legacy is decreasing ?

the main argument to discard 60s and 70s is not the pace of the game but the fact they played against 6'0 white hair dressers. If Lebron is barely a top 10 all time, Kobe is what ? a top 100 ? :lol

The only argument today to not put him at the pinnacle all time is MJ
:lol

[lefty]

in before :cry but but Bird IQ tho :cry

:lol
also : cRaFtY, uNaThLeTic

Bruh it's not like the league was super athletic in the 80s :lol

[Donald Sterling.]

Nobody thinks Brady is the GOAT for having the most passing yards amongst QB's :lol It's all about the rings, playoff comebacks and game winning drives.

This is just a longevity achievement and should be treated as such. Lebron was lucky enough to not sustain any long term injuries, unlike guys like Kobe, Durant or Jordan, who most likely holds the record had he not retired twice.

Imo 38K+ points should have translated to more than just 4 rings in 20 years, otherwise it's just empty stats.

NBA stars padding their numbers on mediocre teams are a dime a dozen throughout league history.

That's why i'll always hold MJ in higher regard than Lebron, because there's still an HoF career separating the two, even though MJ had a much shorter nba career.

[MultiTroll]

Nobody thinks Brady is the GOAT for having the most passing yards amongst QB's :lol It's all about the rings, playoff comebacks and game winning drives.

This is just a longevity achievement and should be treated as such. Lebron was lucky enough to not sustain any long term injuries, unlike guys like Kobe, Durant or Jordan, who most likely holds the record had he not retired twice.

Imo 38K+ points should have translated to more than just 4 rings in 20 years, otherwise it's just empty stats.

NBA stars padding their numbers on mediocre teams are a dime a dozen throughout league history.
So of course insert Jordan on the crappy teams Lebron has played for and of course Jordan would lead them to rings.

Slurp slurp

[Donald Sterling.]

So of course insert Jordan on the crappy teams Lebron has played for and of course Jordan would lead them to rings.

Slurp slurp

Crappy teams :lol

Besides his first stint in Cleveland, Lebron has been surrounded by All Stars and Hall of Famers for most of his career. He certainly had much more help than Jordan did, that's not debatable at this point.

[Texas_Ranger]

So of course insert Jordan on the crappy teams Lebron has played for and of course Jordan would lead them to rings.

Slurp slurp

yes, insert Jordan on the Miami 2011 team and he wont get raped by JJ Barea. This guy has been on super teams for almost 15 year and he has 4 rings. Pretty sad for a guy people consider a goat.

[ambchang]

Gotta say when I watched Kareem retire I thought that record would never be broken, as players usually retire after 10 or 12 years. Someone playing 20 years was really unheard of. Jordan, the greatest scorer of all time not being able to break the record more or less confirmed it. Then Malone came close, and kobe, and Dirk. Now finally Lebron did it and will build upon it, and he’s likely going to break 40k points when all is said and done.

And they guy isn’t even supposed to be a scorer!

He’s also #4 in assists. No one to 20 in scoring is anywhere close to top 20 in assists, and vice versa. It’s really insane.

[MultiTroll]

yes, insert Jordan on the Miami 2011 team and he wont get raped by JJ Barea. This guy has been on super teams for almost 15 year and he has 4 rings. Pretty sad for a guy people consider a goat.
Beat the Golden Phaggots with JR Smith and Tristian Kardashian.
nough said.

[140]

Stopping the game 10 seconds before end of 3 q, for like 10 minutes was stupid and lame. I can't imagine anyone doing that in real sports competition.
Yeah, at least let the quarter end before doing the whole dog & pony show

the whole thing felt so contrived too :lol (as most things involving lebron are, tbh)

[MultiTroll]

Crappy teams :lol

Besides his first stint in Cleveland, Lebron has been surrounded by All Stars and Hall of Famers for most of his career. He certainly had much more help than Jordan did, that's not debatable at this point.
*Only 7 years his first stint in Cleveland.
So that leaves 13.
Yes other then one good year from head case Kyrie Irving and the Heatles, do indeed tell how he was "surrounded by All Stars and HOFs".

[Texas_Ranger]

Beat the Golden Phaggots with JR Smith and Tristian Kardashian.
nough said.

You kinda forgot All-Stars Kyrie and Kevin Love... And why use JR as something bad. The guy was at that time one of the best role players in the league, same goes for Thompson. Anyone that thinks that Cleveland team was bad, is pretty stupid.

[MultiTroll]

You kinda forgot All-Stars Kyrie and Kevin Love... And why use JR as something bad. The guy was at that time one of the best role players in the league, same goes for Thompson. Anyone that thinks that Cleveland team was bad, is pretty stupid.
Except Irving broke his knee in the 2015 playoffs and Love was not an All Star in the 2016 Chip year.

Anyone who thinks Lebron was not the driving force behind beating the 73 win phaggots is on crack.
2015 Lebron was hands down the Finals MVP, regardless of what rigged media said.

And who did Jordan have for help? Sure as hell would not have stepped into a lot of the teams Lebron has had and won.

[baseline bum]

Crappy teams :lol

Besides his first stint in Cleveland, Lebron has been surrounded by All Stars and Hall of Famers for most of his career. He certainly had much more help than Jordan did, that's not debatable at this point.

Anthony Davis in street clothes for half the 2020-21 season, half of the 2021-22 season, and nearly half of the 2022-23 season is supposed to be this amazing supporting cast?

[140]

Anthony Davis in street clothes for half the 2020-21 season, half of the 2021-22 season, and nearly half of the 2022-23 season is supposed to be this amazing supporting cast?

thats who lebron decided to hitch his wagon to. same with westbrook. he shouldnt simply get a pass for that tbh

[baseline bum]

thats who lebron decided to hitch his wagon to. same with westbrook. he shouldnt simply get a pass for that tbh

If we're factoring in being a shitty GM it doesn't really make Jordan look any better tbh

[LkrFan]

He stood up for black people though. Unlike jordan, who pitted blacks against one another and made billions out of Chinese slave labour.

Let's not forget that MFer invested in prisons.

[Texas_Ranger]

Except Irving broke his knee in the 2015 playoffs and Love was not an All Star in the 2016 Chip year.

Anyone who thinks Lebron was not the driving force behind beating the 73 win phaggots is on crack.
2015 Lebron was hands down the Finals MVP, regardless of what rigged media said.

And who did Jordan have for help? Sure as hell would not have stepped into a lot of the teams Lebron has had and won.

of course LeBron was the best player on the team, i am not saying he wasn't. But Kyrie had a great year and was phenomenal in the playoffs. I'd say the same for Love, who was still producing 16&10. If you compare the both teams I don't really see why would the Warriors be so much better, other than that regular season record. Both teams had their big 3 and I think LeBron was the better player than Steph at the time... Now if Cleveland defeated them with the Beta next season, that would be a giant surprise and a huge achievement for LeBron.

[FrostKing]

Let's not forget that MFer invested in prisons.
So he helped get bad people off the streets in black neighborhoods?

[MultiTroll]

of course LeBron was the best player on the team, i am not saying he wasn't. But Kyrie had a great year and was phenomenal in the playoffs. I'd say the same for Love, who was still producing 16&10. If you compare the both teams I don't really see why would the Warriors be so much better, other than that regular season record. Both teams had their big 3 and I think LeBron was the better player than Steph at the time... Now if Cleveland defeated them with the Beta next season, that would be a giant surprise and a huge achievement for LeBron.
Ya I'm sure replacing Lebron with Jordan on the 2017 Warriors collusion Durbeta team would have resulted in a Cavs win.

[Texas_Ranger]

Ya I'm sure replacing Lebron with Jordan on the 2017 Warriors collusion Durbeta team would have resulted in a Cavs win.

did i say that?

[baseline bum]

Let's not forget that MFer invested in prisons.

Jordan's a coon, but that's fake news

[MultiTroll]

did i say that?
You said this:


You kinda forgot All-Stars Kyrie and Kevin Love... And why use JR as something bad. The guy was at that time one of the best role players in the league, same goes for Thompson. Anyone that thinks that Cleveland team was bad, is pretty stupid.
Sure seems like swapping Jordan and Lebron out for years would be a good measurement.

[Texas_Ranger]

You said this:


Sure seems like swapping Jordan and Lebron out for years would be a good measurement.

The only thing i was saying is that, the Cleveland 2016 championship team is not as bad, as some people think. I've seen lots of articles and people saying that, LeBron won a ring with no help, which is just not true.

[FrostKing]

Davis sat the game?

:lol yah that's pretty bad as a teammate

[FrostKing]

Weird how almost nobody cared about this record. Is it bc Kareem held it and nobody gives a flip about him? Is it bc Lebron is annoying? I don’t know. But Aaron Judge got way more play for breaking the AL home run record than Lebron actually breaking a real record
Better comparison would be Ovechkin chasing Gretzky

I think the League currently being on scoring steroids might be why. People are celebrating Lebron more than the record because it's kinda assumed it will fall sooner than later.

[lefty]

He stood up for black people though. Unlike jordan, who pitted blacks against one another and made billions out of Chinese slave labour.
While sucking chinese dick

[LkrFan]

Jordan's a coon, but that's fake news

:lol

[Tyronn Lue]

I don't really care about the scoring record. I am more interesting in their season record. :lol

[baseline bum]

:lol

You ever see Willie D from the Geto Boys diss Jordan? :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by1BF0HMobU

Though I still think his best diss track against a coon was the one he did about Rodney King.

[Rummpd]

Putting aside the probable extended PPD usage it is still an * record as he skipped 4 years of college while Kareem was scoring at UCLA.

[JamStone]

Kareem set his scoring record in 1560 NBA games. LeBron broke it in 1410 NBA games. That’s nearly 2 full season’s worth of games.

You can perceive LeBron breaking the scoring record any way you’d like. But using the Kareem went to college and LeBron didn’t argument is pretty weak when you compare how many actual NBA games played by each. It’s just a bad argument.

[LkrFan]

You ever see Willie D from the Geto Boys diss Jordan? :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by1BF0HMobU

Though I still think his best diss track against a coon was the one he did about Rodney King.

:wow Will D went off :lol Now I gotta go play me some Geto Boys. :lol

[Brazil]

While sucking chinese dick

:lol

[Donald Sterling.]

*Only 7 years his first stint in Cleveland.
So that leaves 13.
Yes other then one good year from head case Kyrie Irving and the Heatles, do indeed tell how he was "surrounded by All Stars and HOFs".

Even if some of those stars were past their primes when they joined Lebron, Lebron still enjoyed plenty of prime help.

Still, Jordan managed to accomplish more than Lebron with less help. It's not debateable really.







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[ambchang]

Even if some of those stars were past their primes when they joined Lebron, Lebron still enjoyed plenty of prime help.

Still, Jordan managed to accomplish more than Lebron with less help. It's not debateable really.







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I don’t get the second graphic. Pippen made 7 all star teams, 5 while playing with jordan. Horace grant and Armstrong made it. Did they only count the years they played together?

As for the first, Dwight? Parish? I mean, Pippen was a top 10 mvp candidate while playing with Pippen for at least five of those years with jordan. Wade had two years. And I think that’s all the mvp shares Lebrons teammates ever got.

Put into it that the 90s was the most watered down we due to rapid expansion (6 teams over the course of like 6 years or so) and the help vs competition scale doesn’t really stand in favour of jordan.

[baseline bum]

I don’t get the second graphic. Pippen made 7 all star teams, 5 while playing with jordan. Horace grant and Armstrong made it. Did they only count the years they played together?

As for the first, Dwight? Parish? I mean, Pippen was a top 10 mvp candidate while playing with Pippen for at least five of those years with jordan. Wade had two years. And I think that’s all the mvp shares Lebrons teammates ever got.

Put into it that the 90s was the most watered down we due to rapid expansion (6 teams over the course of like 6 years or so) and the help vs competition scale doesn’t really stand in favour of jordan.

ROFL completely washed versions of Westbrook, Shaq, Ben Wallace, Melo, Howard, and Rose in that graphic.

[Donald Sterling.]

Also, Parrish was beyond washed when he played that one season for the Bulls and according to Lebron fans, Kukoc was just a 90's plumber.

So basically the only legit Hall of Fame help Jordan ever had was Pippen and Rodman :lol Still a lot less help than Lebron's.

[baseline bum]

So if finished Ben Wallace and finished Shaq and scrub Derrick Rose count as LeBron's incredible help, how come Hall of Fame teammates like George Gervin and Artis Gilmore aren't counted for Jordan?

[ambchang]

So if finished Ben Wallace and finished Shaq and scrub Derrick Rose count as LeBron's incredible help, how come Hall of Fame teammates like George Gervin and Artis Gilmore aren't counted for Jordan?

The entire thing doesn’t make any sense. At all. It only counted the years jordan won titles vs the entire career of James. Once again jordan Stan’s trying to erase the years of failure as if jordan only played six years in the league and ignore that bird was his daddy.

[Brazil]

Even if some of those stars were past their primes when they joined Lebron, Lebron still enjoyed plenty of prime help.

Still, Jordan managed to accomplish more than Lebron with less help. It's not debateable really.







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that's probably the worst graphic I've seen posted to sustain an argument on ST.. :lol

[MultiTroll]

that's probably the worst graphic I've seen posted to sustain an argument on ST.. :lol

[FrostKing]

3 teammates on the Lebron list are in the Top25 All-Time scoring list

[Texas_Ranger]

Iceman is missing on the Jordan side.

[MultiTroll]

3 teammates on the Lebron list are in the Top25 All-Time scoring list
Marshmellow Anthony was really known for Championship team ball.

Surely Jordan would have combined with 'Marsh for another Chip. Who were the other 2?

[FrostKing]

Marshmellow Anthony was really known for Championship team ball.

Surely Jordan would have combined with 'Marsh for another Chip. Who were the other 2?
Shaq & Ray Allen. 2 surprises to me

Ray @ #25. He really sacrificed his legacy to be a glorified Klay Thompson. If even, by the common fan.

Wade not cracking the Top30

I'll post the complete list

[FrostKing]

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[MultiTroll]

Shaq & Ray Allen.
Shaq was washed by the time he played a year in Cleveland with Lebron.
Bron won 2 with Prime Allen. Albeit 1 against a peabrain coach.

:rollin Donald Sterling troll has been obliterated.

[Texas_Ranger]

That washed up Cleveland Shaq would still be the best center Michael Jordan has ever played with... Oh and MJ actually played when there were lots of great big men. If Vagina James would have had to play just 1 round vs the Bad Boys, the guy would retire. Why would anyone even compare MJ's and LeBron's rosters, when its obvious who had more help? I am pretty sure it's the guy that formed a superteam in Miami.

[MultiTroll]

Faggot Kareem mentions Shaq as players during Lebrons era.

All the insecure phucks like Kream never mention Timmy Duncan.

[MultiTroll]

That washed up Cleveland Shaq would still be the best center Michael Jordan has ever played with... Oh and MJ actually played when there were lots of great big men. If Vagina James would have had to play just 1 round vs the Bad Boys, the guy would retire. Why would anyone even compare MJ's and LeBron's rosters, when its obvious who had more help? I am pretty sure it's the guy that formed a superteam in Miami.
Sure porky.
Tell us all about the 11 seasons Jordan did not win a Championship.

[Texas_Ranger]

Sure porky.
Tell us all about the 11 seasons Jordan did not win a Championship.

porky? wtf?
Yeap, didn't win and didn't switch teams to form a superteam either. That makes him better than LeBroom.

[MultiTroll]

Yeap, didn't win and didn't switch teams to form a superteam either. That makes him better than LeBroom.
We've heard this schtick before from Jordan and others who had no need to switch from their super stacked teams.

It's self righteous b.s.

Lebron had NO obligation to stay in Cleveland and they should appreciate him 100 for coming back and delivering a title. And huge economic boost to that shithole area.

btw i don't know if you are a porky or not, it's just an expression.

p.s. did Jordan not switch teams and go to Washington?

[Texas_Ranger]

We've heard this schtick before from Jordan and others who had no need to switch from their super stacked teams.

It's self righteous b.s.

Lebron had NO obligation to stay in Cleveland and they should appreciate him 100 for coming back and delivering a title. And huge economic boost to that shithole area.

btw i don't know if you are a porky or not, it's just an expression.

p.s. did Jordan not switch teams and go to Washington?

Yea, he did go to a shitty Washington team. Should he have won them the title there? Is a 38 year old LeBron looking better than a 38 year old MJ? Yea, so what... Put LeBron on that Washington team and they don't win anything as well... But LeBron would never do that, as he only likes stacked teams, so he would probably go to the Lakers and play with Shaq and Kobe.

[baseline bum]

Shaq was washed by the time he played a year in Cleveland with Lebron.
Bron won 2 with Prime Allen. Albeit 1 against a peabrain coach.

:rollin Donald Sterling troll has been obliterated.

Prime Allen was way before he went to Miami :lol

[lefty]

that's probably the worst graphic I've seen posted to sustain an argument on ST.. :lol

[baseline bum]

That washed up Cleveland Shaq would still be the best center Michael Jordan has ever played with...

LOL trying to pretend Cleveland Shaq was anything more than Bill Cartwright.

[baseline bum]

Yea, he did go to a shitty Washington team. Should he have won them the title there? Is a 38 year old LeBron looking better than a 38 year old MJ? Yea, so what... Put LeBron on that Washington team and they don't win anything as well... But LeBron would never do that, as he only likes stacked teams, so he would probably go to the Lakers and play with Shaq and Kobe.

Yeah Jordan would have completely hung around a loser in Chicago if they didn't trade for Pippen and draft Horace Grant.

[Texas_Ranger]

Yeah Jordan would have completely hung around a loser in Chicago if they didn't trade for Pippen and draft Horace Grant.

did u just compare 4th year Pippen and Grant to prime Bosh and Wade?

[lefty]

Prime Allen was way before he went to Miami :lol

[lefty]

did u just compare 4th year Pippen and Grant to prime Bosh and Wade?
Bosh was merely a role player in Miami and Wade already started to decline in 2012, nikka had a short prime :lol

[lefty]

LOL trying to pretend Cleveland Shaq was anything more than Bill Cartwright.

[Texas_Ranger]

Bosh was merely a role player in Miami and Wade already started to decline in 2012, nikka had a short prime :lol

LeBron joined in 2010 and Wade had one of his top 3 seasons that year, while Bosh came to the Heat from having his best season of his career. Role player? Give me a break... Also, both players were all stars 5 & 6 times by then. Pippen and Grant were not... What LeBron did in 2010 was the biggest pussy move in the history of the NBA, only later to be topped by Durant.

[Texas_Ranger]

LOL trying to pretend Cleveland Shaq was anything more than Bill Cartwright.

Damn, 32+ year old Bill Cartwright was the best Center MJ ever played with? Damn, i guess that just shows how much less help Jordan had.

[baseline bum]

did u just compare 4th year Pippen and Grant to prime Bosh and Wade?

LOL acting like LeBron left Pippen and Grant to go to Miami.

[baseline bum]

Damn, 32+ year old Bill Cartwright was the best Center MJ ever played with? Damn, i guess that just shows how much less help Jordan had.

Always such bad faith arguments from LeBron haters. Broken down Shaq better than anything Jordan played with because Shaq was great in Orlando, LA, and Miami years before.

[baseline bum]

LeBron joined in 2010 and Wade had one of his top 3 seasons that year, while Bosh came to the Heat from having his best season of his career. Role player? Give me a break... Also, both players were all stars 5 & 6 times by then. Pippen and Grant were not... What LeBron did in 2010 was the biggest pussy move in the history of the NBA, only later to be topped by Durant.

If he stayed with that trash supporting cast in Cleveland haters like you would say he's just pre-Boston Garnett when he'd never win shit there.

[FrostKing]

If he stayed with that trash supporting cast in Cleveland haters like you would say he's just pre-Boston Garnett when he'd never win shit there.
I'm not sure the calculated move to Miami payed off

His greatest victory wasn't in Miami but his greatest failure was indeed as a Heat player

[lefty]

LOL acting like LeBron left Pippen and Grant to go to Miami.
This

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/tr6XsZVb-ZE

Lebron clank. He was passenger.

Likely the possession with most HOFs on the court in our generation.

[FrostKing]

Magic - Divac
Jordan - Kukoc
Duncan - Parker (Manu)
Kobe - Gasol

Lebron in the Era of the International player failed to attract & develop

[ambchang]

That washed up Cleveland Shaq would still be the best center Michael Jordan has ever played with... Oh and MJ actually played when there were lots of great big men. If Vagina James would have had to play just 1 round vs the Bad Boys, the guy would retire. Why would anyone even compare MJ's and LeBron's rosters, when its obvious who had more help? I am pretty sure it's the guy that formed a superteam in Miami.

Jordan got the best type of centres to play with. Ones who can shoot outside, pass and defend. A player like shaq would’ve clogged the lane and jordan won’t be able to drive or post up as easily.

This is why I kept saying jerry Krause was right, teams win championship and that Jabba the Hutt looking fat ass constructed the perfect team for jordan.

[Rummpd]

This page has diverted (not that it is not interesting discussion) away from the fraud record that is LeBron passing Kareem. Deserves at least an * for anyone not finishing 4 years of college. If either Jordan or Kareem had skipped college they would likely be ahead of LBJ now. What really matters is PPG and Jordan and Wilt dominate that.

[FrostKing]

5. Duncan
4. James
3. Bird
2. Jordan
1. Magic

My starting 5

[140]

LeBron joined in 2010 and Wade had one of his top 3 seasons that year, while Bosh came to the Heat from having his best season of his career. Role player? Give me a break... Also, both players were all stars 5 & 6 times by then. Pippen and Grant were not... What LeBron did in 2010 was the biggest pussy move in the history of the NBA, only later to be topped by Durant.
The revisionism is very strong with bronsexuals tbh, I've seen people say with a straight face that the heat were never a super team but actually the 2011 Mavs were one :lmao

[140]

If he stayed with that trash supporting cast in Cleveland haters like you would say he's just pre-Boston Garnett when he'd never win shit there.
Him changing teams was never a problem imho, what he actually ended up doing is very different from that though...especially for the self proclaimed "chosen one" :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

LeBron joined in 2010 and Wade had one of his top 3 seasons that year, while Bosh came to the Heat from having his best season of his career. Role player? Give me a break... Also, both players were all stars 5 & 6 times by then. Pippen and Grant were not... What LeBron did in 2010 was the biggest pussy move in the history of the NBA, only later to be topped by Durant.

That's a nice little trick that Bron-Stans use to try and justify the Heat losing in 2014 and damn near losing in 2013(All Pop).

LeBron just never has enough help. Poor guy :rolleyes:rolleyes

[K...]

bron is the GOAT and it's corny as hell so we reject it because we want drama or struggle or some shit. The only way hes not the goat is if you define "basketball skills" to focus on shooting, or interior defense. The thing is lebron was good at most of basketballs core things and his scoring title isn't inorganic. He's not the most elegant, didn't advance the sport much, didn't have deep roots with any team,didn't reach shaqs level of dominance at any point, didn't pass kobes level of media exsposure, didn't advance black culture. But most of that doesn't matter when deciding if he's the best.

[baseline bum]

Him changing teams was never a problem imho, what he actually ended up doing is very different from that though...especially for the self proclaimed "chosen one" :lol

Him getting a supporting cast was the problem?

[baseline bum]

This page has diverted (not that it is not interesting discussion) away from the fraud record that is LeBron passing Kareem. Deserves at least an * for anyone not finishing 4 years of college. If either Jordan or Kareem had skipped college they would likely be ahead of LBJ now. What really matters is PPG and Jordan and Wilt dominate that.

Yeah your hating on LeBron for being a ###### who won't shut up and dance is such interesting discussion.

[lefty]

https://youtu.be/tr6XsZVb-ZE

Lebron clank. He was passenger.

Likely the possession with most HOFs on the court in our generation.
Lebron kept them in that game, Allen’s 3 would have meant jack and shit if if it wasn’t for Lebron’s 4th quarter

And MJ was bailed out multiple times by his shooters

Selective memory is selective:lol

[Texas_Ranger]

I'm still waiting for MJ being outplayed by JJ Barea and being a ghost in 4th quarters of the Nba finals. A true goat wouldn't do that... oh, and that was in his prime. Hahahah

[baseline bum]

I'm still waiting for MJ being outplayed by JJ Barea and being a ghost in 4th quarters of the Nba finals. A true goat wouldn't do that... oh, and that was in his prime. Hahahah

Prime Bird got swept by Milwaukee, Prime Magic threw the 84 Finals away, Prime Duncan got sonned by DeSagana Diop in OT, etc.

[FrostKing]

Lebron kept them in that game, Allen’s 3 would have meant jack and shit if if it wasn’t for Lebron’s 4th quarter

And MJ was bailed out multiple times by his shooters

Selective memory is selective:lol
MJ to Kerr & Paxson

You walked into this one amigo

[lefty]

MJ to Kerr & Paxson

You walked into this one amigo

And Pippen and Armstrong too tbqh fwiw

[Texas_Ranger]

Prime Bird got swept by Milwaukee, Prime Magic threw the 84 Finals away, Prime Duncan got sonned by DeSagana Diop in OT, etc.

wow, crazy how Milwaukee, that was higher in the standings than Boston defeated Bird. And acting like Milwaukee was some shit team, while they had multiple hall of famers. You also forgot to mention, how Bird played with the flu and a dislocated finger, which caused him missing a game in that series.

Same goes for Magic. They lost to the better team and in the final game the Celtics lead all game long... And this was too, against a team with a bunch of hall of famers.

And thats crazy, that Diop stopped Tim in one OT. The OT that happened just cause of Manu's retarded foul... Did Tim also not come to play every single 4th quarter in that Dallas series and was outplayed by a Portotican midget?

I also never mentioned any other players, so idk why you bringing them up. I thought this was MJ vs LeBron.


Also, gotta say, I didn't expect so many Spurs fans sucking LeBrons cock so much... Even tho its not a surprise, as the Spurs franchise has become retarded, so did some of their fans.

[lefty]

Celtics were stil’ the defending champs


Bird was actually underwhelming in the playoffs and Finals vs the regular season, except for a couple of signature moments (the bank shot vs Philly, the steal vs Detroit, the « Willis Reed » game vs Indy)

[Texas_Ranger]

Celtics were stil’ the defending champs


Bird was actually underwhelming in the playoffs and Finals vs the regular season, except for a couple of signature moments (the bank shot vs Philly, the steal vs Detroit, the « Willis Reed » game vs Indy)

yes, and if you wanna have LeBron over Bird, cool. Like I said, i thought this was MJ vs James.

[lefty]

yes, and if you wanna have LeBron over Bird, cool. Like I said, i thought this was MJ vs James.

I mean, James is superior to both, there is no debate tbh….

[baseline bum]

wow, crazy how Milwaukee, that was higher in the standings than Boston defeated Bird. And acting like Milwaukee was some shit team, while they had multiple hall of famers. You also forgot to mention, how Bird played with the flu and a dislocated finger, which caused him missing a game in that series.

Same goes for Magic. They lost to the better team and in the final game the Celtics lead all game long... And this was too, against a team with a bunch of hall of famers.

And thats crazy, that Diop stopped Tim in one OT. The OT that happened just cause of Manu's retarded foul... Did Tim also not come to play every single 4th quarter in that Dallas series and was outplayed by a Portotican midget?

I also never mentioned any other players, so idk why you bringing them up. I thought this was MJ vs LeBron.


Also, gotta say, I didn't expect so many Spurs fans sucking LeBrons cock so much... Even tho its not a surprise, as the Spurs franchise has become retarded, so did some of their fans.

LOL Boston had homecourt in that series and were 56-26 vs Milwaukee's 51-31, but I know facts don't matter to the right. Everyone knows why you don't like LeBron, same way every other right winger on this site hates him.

[Texas_Ranger]

LOL Boston had homecourt in that series and were 56-26 vs Milwaukee's 51-31, but I know facts don't matter to the right. Everyone knows why you don't like LeBron, same way every other right winger on this site hates him.

yes, i like the white Michael Jordan more than the black LeBron.

[baseline bum]

yes, i like the white Michael Jordan more than the black LeBron.

Because James wouldn't shut up and danc... dribble. LOL all your bad faith arguments about James like he's barely top 10 when almost every other major star has shit the bed in a big moment or big series or worse in his career.

[Tyronn Lue]

5. Duncan
4. James
3. Bird
2. Jordan
1. Magic

My starting 5
No 3pt shooters.. smdh

1 Curry
2. KD
3. Joker
4. Kawhi
5. Shaq

Beat your team easily

[FrostKing]

No 3pt shooters.. smdh

1 Curry
2. KD
3. Joker
4. Kawhi
5. Shaq

Beat your team easily
Did you put Joker at 3 just to copy me :lol

I'd go
5. Shaq
4. Dirk
3. Pippen
2. Kobe
1. Curry

[FrostKing]

.

[Tyronn Lue]

Did you put Joker at 3 just to copy me :lol

I'd go
5. Shaq
4. Dirk
3. Pippen
2. Kobe
1. Curry
What I quoted didn't have Jokic.

I wasn't putting him at the 3 position, just 3 of the top 5. I guess I didn't need numbers :lol

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/5Zb4VudkIKM

I found it. I grew up with this.

GOAT intro

[baseline bum]

https://youtu.be/5Zb4VudkIKM

I found it. I grew up with this.

GOAT intro

Back in like '06 I bought the NBA 25 years of champions DVD set and by far the best videos they did were from 95-96 through 99-00. Those five videos were the best the NBA ever produced. Then they got cheap as hell with production after that.

[FrostKing]

Back in like '06 I bought the NBA 25 years of champions DVD set and by far the best videos they did were from 95-96 through 99-00. Those five videos were the best the NBA ever produced. Then they got cheap as hell with production after that.
Those were great times for the NBA. I picked up a basketball in organized ball for the first time.

I really liked how compared to other sports, i was able to improve quickly. Focus and effort takes you far.

[ambchang]

MJ to Kerr & Paxson

You walked into this one amigo

What are you talking about. It was Pippen to grant then to Paxson. Then grant blocked KJ to preserve the win. The camera just kept on jordan as if he did something.

[Dirks_Finale]

LOL Boston had homecourt in that series and were 56-26 vs Milwaukee's 51-31, but I know facts don't matter to the right. Everyone knows why you don't like LeBron, same way every other right winger on this site hates him.

He is disliked because he is a whiney biznitch who builds his own teams, then b!tches and bails out when his roster implodes.

[Mark Celibate]

I've never seen a superstar who seems so unrelatable in my lifetime of watching sports....as in so robotic to the point he doesn't even seem like an actual human being. A-Rod is probably the only one who comes kinda close. Like absolutely nothing Lebron does comes across as genuine...even when he tries to go into "nigga nigga" mode cutting it up at the barbershop, it seems completely scripted and fake. Even on the court, it's like he's half showman/half player. When he goes on a magical run in a big playoff game, he breaks out pre-scripted dances with emotion that just comes across as forced. Not hating, just find it really weird...and it wasn't always this way IMO. It felt different his first go round in Cleveland, and even early on in Miami. But it feels like at some point during his time in Miami, somebody planted a microchip in him and he turned into a robot or something. Even the fact that he's played this long and never gets injured is weird to me.

Maybe he's just a George Soros plant designed to distract us all from the inevitable Zionist takeover tbh imho

[Tyronn Lue]

He is disliked because he is a whiney biznitch who builds his own teams, then b!tches and bails out when his roster implodes.
If Lebron is disliked it's because he opts out and goes elsewhere. If he was Patty Mills doing that, no one would care. Since you know he takes any winning chances you have with him, you get pretty upset about it. It really has nothing to do with his demeanor.

[lefty]

He is disliked because he is a whiney biznitch who builds his own teams, then b!tches and bails out when his roster implodes.

crofl Jordan tried to recruit players and publicly threw his FO under the bus….
Magic said he would have played 1 more year in college if the Bulls drafted him instead of the Lakers, because he wanted to play with Kareem…
He was also a coach killer…
Barkley forced trades twice for a ring


All whiny bitches


but yeah nostalgia

[JamStone]

Idk. It’s more of a collection of things why LeBron is disliked, even hated.

The Decision in and of itself is one of the things that turned a lot of people off. It was so disingenuously self-aggrandizing under the guise of “doing it for the kids.” But it’s also having the “Chosen One” tattooed on his back before playing a minute in the NBA. The fact that he’s pretty much lived up to the hype doesn’t absolve him of that pretty egregiously arrogant tattoo. And to play off that, the whole Nike “Witness” campaign when he was just a rookie, as if we were watching the actual second coming of Christ. Unless you were a Cleveland fan, it was pretty obvious why some people hated on him very early on. Then there was a period early on in his career where as a 6’9, 250 pound sculpted Greek god physical specimen that he’d flop and fall down like his legs were made of toothpicks. That’s very hatable. Oh, and of course, “not 1... not 2... not 3... not 4...” but actually, yeah, only just 2.

LeBron has brought on plenty of critics and haters for more than just him beating their teams and taking away opportunities for fans of other teams to watch their teams win. Honestly, it’s not just him going from team to team and GMing moves in order to win.

[JamStone]

I've never seen a superstar who seems so unrelatable in my lifetime of watching sports....as in so robotic to the point he doesn't even seem like an actual human being. A-Rod is probably the only one who comes kinda close. Like absolutely nothing Lebron does comes across as genuine...even when he tries to go into "nigga nigga" mode cutting it up at the barbershop, it seems completely scripted and fake. Even on the court, it's like he's half showman/half player. When he goes on a magical run in a big playoff game, he breaks out pre-scripted dances with emotion that just comes across as forced. Not hating, just find it really weird...and it wasn't always this way IMO. It felt different his first go round in Cleveland, and even early on in Miami. But it feels like at some point during his time in Miami, somebody planted a microchip in him and he turned into a robot or something. Even the fact that he's played this long and never gets injured is weird to me.

A-Rod does come across that way too.

Also thought of Tiger Woods, Pete Sampras. Especially, pre-scandals Tiger. The shit with his wife and sex addition kind of humanized Tiger a little bit. But in interviews and post golf pressers, he often seemed fake and pretentious to me.

[Bill_Brasky]

I've never seen a superstar who seems so unrelatable in my lifetime of watching sports....as in so robotic to the point he doesn't even seem like an actual human being. A-Rod is probably the only one who comes kinda close. Like absolutely nothing Lebron does comes across as genuine...even when he tries to go into "nigga nigga" mode cutting it up at the barbershop, it seems completely scripted and fake. Even on the court, it's like he's half showman/half player. When he goes on a magical run in a big playoff game, he breaks out pre-scripted dances with emotion that just comes across as forced. Not hating, just find it really weird...and it wasn't always this way IMO. It felt different his first go round in Cleveland, and even early on in Miami. But it feels like at some point during his time in Miami, somebody planted a microchip in him and he turned into a robot or something. Even the fact that he's played this long and never gets injured is weird to me.

Maybe he's just a George Soros plant designed to distract us all from the inevitable Zionist takeover tbh imho

Man its almost like every person ever has been on dude's dick since he was 13 years old and he doesn't know how to act like a normal every day human. And despite this he has remained scandal free. And has lived up to a more insane amount of hype than i've ever seen put on a young person besides Tiger.

[Dirks_Finale]

crofl Jordan tried to recruit players and publicly threw his FO under the bus….
Magic said he would have played 1 more year in college if the Bulls drafted him instead of the Lakers, because he wanted to play with Kareem…
He was also a coach killer…
Barkley forced trades twice for a ring


All whiny bitches


but yeah nostalgia

LeBron is the only guy out of all those mentioned who actually builds his own rosters. GM's have to let him do it or he cr:cry:crys and leaves.

[Mark Celibate]

Man its almost like every person ever has been on dude's dick since he was 13 years old and he doesn't know how to act like a normal every day human. And despite this he has remained scandal free. And has lived up to a more insane amount of hype than i've ever seen put on a young person besides Tiger.

:lol I didn't say it was a bad thing. I get it, he was one of the most hyped/scrutinized athletes of all time (maybe THE most) so obviously protecting your image is important which means going 'robot' mode to the press is mandatory. But it's just weird that he comes across as a robot all the time in all settings....on the court mic'd up, trash talking, even when celebrating it seems scripted etc. If he actually is that meticulous in protecting his image in that everything is planned out, 24/7 all the time, then I'm actually really impressed

Maybe he'll loosen up after retirement cause I'd like to hear an actual, candid interview at some point where we hear who the 'real' Lebron actually is on one of those 'All the Smoke' podcasts or something imho

[lefty]

LeBron is the only guy out of all those mentioned who actually builds his own rosters. GM's have to let him do it or he cr:cry:crys and leaves.

That’s because his generation has more power, back in the days the white slave owners made sure things like that wouldn’t happen

You can bet your ass they would have been GM’ing if they could :lol

[lefty]

:lol I didn't say it was a bad thing. I get it, he was one of the most hyped/scrutinized athletes of all time (maybe THE most) so obviously protecting your image is important which means going 'robot' mode to the press is mandatory. But it's just weird that he comes across as a robot all the time in all settings....on the court mic'd up, trash talking, even when celebrating it seems scripted etc. If he actually is that meticulous in protecting his image in that everything is planned out, 24/7 all the time, then I'm actually really impressed

Maybe he'll loosen up after retirement cause I'd like to hear an actual, candid interview at some point where we hear who the 'real' Lebron actually is on one of those 'All the Smoke' podcasts or something imho

I think Lebron just doesn’t have « it » when it comes to PR’ing, doing pre-game speeches (oh gawd, he really sucks at that lol)

That’s who he is, dude is a computer, just listen to his post game interviews, he remembers every single play with such detail it’s impressive tbh

[ambchang]

I've never seen a superstar who seems so unrelatable in my lifetime of watching sports....as in so robotic to the point he doesn't even seem like an actual human being. A-Rod is probably the only one who comes kinda close. Like absolutely nothing Lebron does comes across as genuine...even when he tries to go into "nigga nigga" mode cutting it up at the barbershop, it seems completely scripted and fake. Even on the court, it's like he's half showman/half player. When he goes on a magical run in a big playoff game, he breaks out pre-scripted dances with emotion that just comes across as forced. Not hating, just find it really weird...and it wasn't always this way IMO. It felt different his first go round in Cleveland, and even early on in Miami. But it feels like at some point during his time in Miami, somebody planted a microchip in him and he turned into a robot or something. Even the fact that he's played this long and never gets injured is weird to me.

Maybe he's just a George Soros plant designed to distract us all from the inevitable Zionist takeover tbh imho

And you are fine with jordan and kobe?

[lefty]

And you are fine with jordan and kobe?

[Rummpd]

Jordan was an egomaniac who had serious gambling and rumored infidelity issues but he had that smile and shoe. I don't love him but respect his game and legacy.

Kobe had Colorado, was a bad teammate, and was so over-hyped (29th all time PER) as an all time great, but then tragically died so hard to keep the hate

[spurraider21]

i guess i'd put him in the top 10 now
:lmao yeah i guess

what a clown take

[spurraider21]

You kinda forgot All-Stars Kyrie and Kevin Love... And why use JR as something bad. The guy was at that time one of the best role players in the league, same goes for Thompson. Anyone that thinks that Cleveland team was bad, is pretty stupid.
in the 2015 finals they lost in 6 in a series where love didnt play at all and kyrie only played 1 game. the next highest scorer for the cavs in the finals was mozgov. JR Smith shot under 30% from 3. and they went 6

in 2016 when they won, kevin love averaged 8.5 points and 7 rebounds in the finals. JR Smith shot like 35-36% from 3. kyrie was awesome. but lmao these were not super teams by any stretch

in his first stint with cleveland he took a team to the finals where their 2nd leading scorer in the series was drew gooden. and dont forget that was the same playoff run where he had his legendary game against the pistons scoring 29 of their last 31 points or whatever it was. 25 straight. all as a 22 year old. just insane.

[spurraider21]

Idk. It’s more of a collection of things why LeBron is disliked, even hated.

The Decision in and of itself is one of the things that turned a lot of people off. It was so disingenuously self-aggrandizing under the guise of “doing it for the kids.” But it’s also having the “Chosen One” tattooed on his back before playing a minute in the NBA. The fact that he’s pretty much lived up to the hype doesn’t absolve him of that pretty egregiously arrogant tattoo. And to play off that, the whole Nike “Witness” campaign when he was just a rookie, as if we were watching the actual second coming of Christ. Unless you were a Cleveland fan, it was pretty obvious why some people hated on him very early on. Then there was a period early on in his career where as a 6’9, 250 pound sculpted Greek god physical specimen that he’d flop and fall down like his legs were made of toothpicks. That’s very hatable. Oh, and of course, “not 1... not 2... not 3... not 4...” but actually, yeah, only just 2.

LeBron has brought on plenty of critics and haters for more than just him beating their teams and taking away opportunities for fans of other teams to watch their teams win. Honestly, it’s not just him going from team to team and GMing moves in order to win.
in NBA terms, we pretty much were

[ambchang]

Jordan was an egomaniac who had serious gambling and rumored infidelity issues but he had that smile and shoe. I don't love him but respect his game and legacy.

Kobe had Colorado, was a bad teammate, and was so over-hyped (29th all time PER) as an all time great, but then tragically died so hard to keep the hate

Ah, so by that rationale, if Lebron had died tragically, he would cease to be unrelatable. Is that true?

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/QfQn8XZ/Screenshot-20230215-095211-Chrome.jpg

The goat doing goat thangs

[ambchang]

https://i.ibb.co/QfQn8XZ/Screenshot-20230215-095211-Chrome.jpg

The goat doing goat thangs

How much of that $10M will go to children who got cancer from inhaling fumes and other chemicals while making his signature shoes in countries with no labour laws?

[lefty]

https://i.ibb.co/QfQn8XZ/Screenshot-20230215-095211-Chrome.jpg

The goat doing goat thangs


MJ felt bad about abusing his opponents at the SG position, some of them are make-a-wish kids

[Rummpd]

Ah, so by that rationale, if Lebron had died tragically, he would cease to be unrelatable. Is that true?/

No in LBJ case as he call himself king without a true rationale, likely had a career on PPDs, and refuses to criticize foreign business interests due to $ he would forever remain unrelatable.

[JamStone]

It’s a fantastic gesture. A really great thing to do. Hopefully, he’s been doing things like that for decades, because he didn’t just all of a sudden become rich recently. And while it’s a ton of money, $10 million to a guy like him is probably the equivalent of something like $10-15k to an average person. Big picture, it’s not a big dent to Mike’s pocketbook. I was more impressed that Mackenzie Scott since her divorce from Besos has donated something around $14 billion, or more than half her worth. Now that’s something.

And aside from that perspective, the main criticism I would have is that I question when something like this gets highly publicized by the media, as if there’s a question whether he did it for the pure, altruistic philanthropy of doing it, or did he do it for the attention and praise for doing it.


https://i.ibb.co/QfQn8XZ/Screenshot-20230215-095211-Chrome.jpg

The goat doing goat thangs

[lefty]

PR and maybe tax purpose

[ambchang]

/

No in LBJ case as he call himself king without a true rationale, likely had a career on PPDs, and refuses to criticize foreign business interests due to $ he would forever remain unrelatable.

The response should be:

Well we'd have to be talkin' about one tragic motherf***in' death. I mean it’s have to be ten times more tragic than that Maggie in million dollar baby, you know what I'm sayin'?

[Brazil]

Dat Texas_Ranger dude is quite hilarious... he is throwing as much shit on the wall as he can expecting some of it will stick :lol