'23 SUPER BOWL: Eagles vs Chiefs

[spurraider21]

Yep. Had he been going out of bounds, because he had two feet on the ground, they'd say he had possession and it would be considered a competed pass. But fuck that field was as bad as the AT&T center air conditioning. "Both teams had to play on it!" sure but one team is known for pass rush and that was nullified.
theres different rules for sideline/out of bounds catches because there simply isnt the time for a "football move". but in this case, after sanders caught the ball and got both feet down, looked like he hopped up before impact which should definitely have been considered the "football move" prior to him losing possession. im astonished it got overturned. worst call of the game. the holding at the end was soft, but he grabbed jersey and thats one of the big signs refs look for.

[Tyronn Lue]

theres different rules for sideline/out of bounds catches because there simply isnt the time for a "football move". but in this case, after sanders caught the ball and got both feet down, looked like he hopped up before impact which should definitely have been considered the "football move" prior to him losing possession. im astonished it got overturned. worst call of the game. the holding at the end was soft, but he grabbed jersey and thats one of the big signs refs look for.
OK thanks for the clarification on that rule.

[Blake]

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Lol poor Patrick. His family...

[spurraider21]

really sucks being stuck in the same division as mahomes on a 10 year contract... but just gotta admire his greatness. i was pretty bitter over brady most of his career but by the time the patriots rang against the falcons i just started applauding brady and recognized what i was watching. not gonna wait that long to appreciate mahomes

[FrostKing]

Herd made a couple interesting points

A) There was tape of Eagles defense over-persuing. And even cheating on motion plays. Reid is great friends with Pederson and Jags played Philly early in the season...

B) The shaky field neutralized the teams pass rush

C) Belichick always forced his defenders to wear white gloves in the SB when their opponent wore white jerseys

[lefty20]

Herd made a couple interesting points

A) There was tape of Eagles defense over-persuing. And even cheating on motion plays. Reid is great friends with Pederson and Jags played Philly early in the season...

B) The shaky field neutralized the teams pass rush

C) Belichick always forced his defenders to wear white gloves in the SB when their opponent wore white jerseys

This was the biggest thing, especially on those two wide open tuddys. Eagles secondary kept falling apart every time Chiefs went into motion in the 2nd half.

Andy Reid was out there playing 3d chess last night.

[MultiTroll]

This was the biggest thing, especially on those two wide open tuddys. Eagles secondary kept falling apart every time Chiefs went into motion in the 2nd half.

Andy Reid was out there playing 3d chess last night.
Ya since it required 8 year old Pop Warner defensive know how to stop those 2 TDs.

Genius.

[Ef-man]

Ya since it required 8 year old Pop Warner defensive know how to stop those 2 TDs.

Genius.

Or a 9 year old.


https://youtu.be/fdN0GWOtsHQ

[DAF86]

Chirs Simms made a couple of great points about Mahomes' legacy that nobody is talking about:

1) In the three Superbowls he has played, he has had the lesser team. The least talented one. If you rank the 20 best players in each of those SB's, the opossing team gets more than 50% of the spots. Still, he won 2 out of 3. This speaks volumes about how his individual greatness tilts the scale in favour of his team.

2) He just arguably had the greatest individual season for a QB ever. Let's recount:

-Lead the NFL in passing yards.
-Lead the NFL in TDs.
-Won regular season MVP.
-Won Superbowl MVP.
-Won Superbowl.
-1st QB ever to lead the league in passing yards and win the superbowl.
-1st player since 1999 to win regular season MVP and win the Superbowl.
-1st QB to lead the number 1 passing offense to a SB victory over the number 1 passing defense in NFL history.

[SpursforSix]

Chirs Simms made a couple of great points about Mahomes' legacy that nobody is talking about:

1) In the three Superbowls he has played, he has had the lesser team. The least talented one. If you rank the 20 best players in each of those SB's, the opossing team gets more than 50% of the spots. Still, he won 2 out of 3. This speaks volumes about how his individual greatness tilts the scale in favour of his team.

2) He just arguably had the greatest individual season for a QB ever. Let's recount:

-Lead the NFL in passing yards.
-Lead the NFL in TDs.
-Won regular season MVP.
-Won Superbowl MVP.
-Won Superbowl.
-1st QB ever to lead the league in passing yards and win the superbowl.
-1st player since 1999 to win regular season MVP and win the Superbowl.
-1st QB to lead the number 1 passing offense to a SB victory over the number 1 passing defense in NFL history.

I disagree in that I think a lot of people realize this and are talking about it. I flip around between three sports shows in the morning and everyone of them had a segment on how good he is.

[Blake]

Yeah lol I think pretty much every talking head is saying those things. Most pundits picked the eagles to win because they have the overall better talent.

[FrostKing]

Bucs I agree had the superior roster.

49ers I'm not sure. This was offense led by Mostert & Sanders. Staley retired after the game. Strength of the team was the defensive line but Chiefs counter with Jones/Clark. Kwon Alexander was injured but played and got ran over all day.

Eagles. 2 of their best players are WRs...in a running offense.

49ers/Eagles both heavily relied on pass rush and it was nullified in part by chance. Philly sloppy field and SF officiating crew with the least holding calls of the season.


I think Mahomes had a great AFCCG outplaying Burrow. Sunday the scramble was a legacy play. I didn't see much else, I think Hurts stole the show. Mahomes seems due for a Super Bowl where he has a monster game but losses late.

2 massive punt returns on the final drive in the past 2 games. I think we can credit Mahomes with giving his teammates confidence. In terms of how much credit Mahomes should get for the 2 SB wjns...I think it's overstated. Reid has built the best current team culture in the NFL. Team has immense stability at the management level. Roster is really well structured unlike the NFC teams that make a 1-year run then retool.

[Blake]

Mahomes just didn't have the much at all. I think Hurts was the MVP all in all but you can't give it to the loser. Also that fumble six was brutal

[DAF86]

I disagree in that I think a lot of people realize this and are talking about it. I flip around between three sports shows in the morning and everyone of them had a segment on how good he is.


Yeah lol I think pretty much every talking head is saying those things. Most pundits picked the eagles to win because they have the overall better talent.

Could you name these other shows that said Mahomes played his 3 SB's on the lesser team and that his 2022 season was the best QB season ever? I literally heard no one other than Simms bring these points, and I've watched pretty much every sports show there is: First Take, First Thing's First, Max Kellerman, Florio, Stephen A. You name it.

[DAF86]

Bucs I agree had the superior roster.

49ers I'm not sure. This was offense led by Mostert & Sanders. Staley retired after the game. Strength of the team was the defensive line but Chiefs counter with Jones/Clark. Kwon Alexander was injured but played and got ran over all day.

Eagles. 2 of their best players are WRs...in a running offense.

49ers/Eagles both heavily relied on pass rush and it was nullified in part by chance. Philly sloppy field and SF officiating crew with the least holding calls of the season.


I think Mahomes had a great AFCCG outplaying Burrow. Sunday the scramble was a legacy play. I didn't see much else, I think Hurts stole the show. Mahomes seems due for a Super Bowl where he has a monster game but losses late.

2 massive punt returns on the final drive in the past 2 games. I think we can credit Mahomes with giving his teammates confidence. In terms of how much credit Mahomes should get for the 2 SB wjns...I think it's overstated. Reid has built the best current team culture in the NFL. Team has immense stability at the management level. Roster is really well structured unlike the NFC teams that make a 1-year run then retool.

This year is unarguably, dude. Eagles had probowl level guys at every line.

O-line: Eagles
D-line: Eagles
Secondary: Eagles
Linebackers: Eagles
Receivers: Eagles
Running game: Eagles

The only positions where the Chiefs were better were QB and TE.

49ers might be closer because the Chiefs still had Tyreek and Mathieu, but, still, that 49ers team was stacked on every position sans your boy Crappopolo.

[leemajors]

This year is unarguably, dude. Eagles had probowl level guys at every line.

O-line: Eagles
D-line: Eagles
Secondary: Eagles
Linebackers: Eagles
Receivers: Eagles
Running game: Eagles

The only positions where the Chiefs were better were QB and TE.

49ers might be closer because the Chiefs still had Tyreek and Mathieu, but, still, that 49ers team was stacked on every position sans your boy Crappopolo.

I think the Eagles D line was so good it masked some serious issues with their LBs and secondary, especially the secondary. It looked like the Chiefs had a really good look at how Dallas was able to move the ball easily against them in their second meeting. Moore wasn't smart enough to use the jet sweep variations properly

[DAF86]

I think the Eagles D line was so good it masked some serious issues with their LBs and secondary, especially the secondary. It looked like the Chiefs had a really good look at how Dallas was able to move the ball easily against them in their second meeting. Moore wasn't smart enough to use the jet sweep variations properly

Let's say the Eagles' LBs and secondary were overrated, they are still better than the Chiefs' LBs and secondary full of rookies and 2nd year guys.

[leemajors]

Let's say the Eagles' LBs and secondary were overrated, they are still better than the Chiefs' LBs and secondary full of rookies and 2nd year guys.

Chiefs D also looked a lot better once they got to rest a little while the offense stayed on the field longer, and vise versa

[SpursforSix]

Could you name these other shows that said Mahomes played his 3 SB's on the lesser team and that his 2022 season was the best QB season ever? I literally heard no one other than Simms bring these points, and I've watched pretty much every sports show there is: First Take, First Thing's First, Max Kellerman, Florio, Stephen A. You name it.

Shit...I'm not going to do that. I can name the three I listen to..."The Ticket", "The Freak", and Espn Radio Dallas. All three of those had not one bad thing to say about Mahomes. He made plays when it counted. He sees the field better than anyone and makes plays when it counts. I don't think they punted in the second half. I think they only had 8 possessions in the whole game and they put up 38. I don't think anyone is legit talking about Mahomes being a choker.

Maybe you should quite watching Kellerman, Stephan A., etc.



I can't imagine anyone seriously piling on Mahomes. Maybe you can give me some links.

[FrostKing]

Could you name these other shows that said Mahomes played his 3 SB's on the lesser team and that his 2022 season was the best QB season ever? I literally heard no one other than Simms bring these points, and I've watched pretty much every sports show there is: First Take, First Thing's First, Max Kellerman, Florio, Stephen A. You name it.
I DVR the Herd & First Take now

Speak For Yourself with Wiley was my go to. Don't even watch now since the major changes.

ESPN stuff is too shock jock for me. Emotional characters.

[DAF86]

Shit...I'm not going to do that. I can name the three I listen to..."The Ticket", "The Freak", and Espn Radio Dallas. All three of those had not one bad thing to say about Mahomes. He made plays when it counted. He sees the field better than anyone and makes plays when it counts. I don't think they punted in the second half. I think they only had 8 possessions in the whole game and they put up 38. I don't think anyone is legit talking about Mahomes being a choker.

Maybe you should quite watching Kellerman, Stephan A., etc.



I can't imagine anyone seriously piling on Mahomes. Maybe you can give me some links.

But when did I ever talk about folks piling on Mahomes? Reading comprehension, son. :lol

I'm just talking about those two very specific points: being on the lesser team on every SB he played; and having the best season ever for a QB. Those are two huge points when talking about legacies and I haven't heard anyone else mention them. Have you?

[FrostKing]

Nick Wright on the Herd

> He's a Chiefs fan and he ranks the Mahomes scramble the greatest play of his career. Because Chiefs probably wouldn't have scored. And he references the injury.



Really? It was 1st & 10 in Eagles territory with 2:55 remaining and 2 timeouts. I get the injury factor though.

[SpursforSix]

But when did I ever talk about folks piling on Mahomes? Reading comprehension, son. :lol

I'm just talking about those two very specific points: being on the lesser team on every SB he played; and having the best season ever for a QB. Those are two huge points when talking about legacies and I haven't heard anyone else mention them. Have you?

Yes! I have heard at least a couple of times about how the Eagles were better on paper. I don't remember them delving into stats but they did mention that he's the only QB since Warner to get a regular season MVP and be in the Super Bowl. Honestly, I haven't heard a negative thing about him. It's all been about how he might be the best QB we'll see. And everyone seems to acknowledge that his WR corps is pretty bad. I don't think it's as bad as they say if Moore and Tony progresses.

You're trying to make a really weird point that doesn't exist imo.

[Goob]

Bad calls maybe, but the Eagles defense still fell apart in the second half; really that simple for me.

[FrostKing]

3 Most Important Plays of the game
- Record setting Punt return
- Hurts 2Pt conversion
- Hurts fumble TD

None involving Mahomes. But Patrick did play a surprisingly very even keel game. He usually has more flashes but also a headscratcher.

[Blake]

Could you name these other shows that said Mahomes played his 3 SB's on the lesser team and that his 2022 season was the best QB season ever? I literally heard no one other than Simms bring these points, and I've watched pretty much every sports show there is: First Take, First Thing's First, Max Kellerman, Florio, Stephen A. You name it.

For all three super bowls? No that part is just Simms opinion. Especially since KC was favored in two of the three, not sure how Simms can quantify the other two.

The other stuff Simms is saying is vanilla

[Blake]

3 Most Important Plays of the game
- Record setting Punt return
- Hurts 2Pt conversion
- Hurts fumble TD

None involving Mahomes. But Patrick did play a surprisingly very even keel game. He usually has more flashes but also a headscratcher.

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MVP trophy was won right there

[Blake]

Bad calls maybe, but the Eagles defense still fell apart in the second half; really that simple for me.

And special teams

[DAF86]

Yes! I have heard at least a couple of times about how the Eagles were better on paper. I don't remember them delving into stats but they did mention that he's the only QB since Warner to get a regular season MVP and be in the Super Bowl. Honestly, I haven't heard a negative thing about him. It's all been about how he might be the best QB we'll see. And everyone seems to acknowledge that his WR corps is pretty bad. I don't think it's as bad as they say if Moore and Tony progresses.

You're trying to make a really weird point that doesn't exist imo.

Neither of the things you mentioned are exactly the same as saying "Mahomes has been on the lesser team on every SB he played" and "Mahomes just had the best season for a QB ever".

I know, because I heard all the other things you are saying but I never really put into persepective the rarity of what Mahomes is accomplishing untill I heard Chris Simms mention those points in that specific way.

[DAF86]

3 Most Important Plays of the game
- Record setting Punt return
- Hurts 2Pt conversion
- Hurts fumble TD

None involving Mahomes. But Patrick did play a surprisingly very even keel game. He usually has more flashes but also a headscratcher.

You are forgetting Mahomes 20 something yards scramble to put the Chiefs in field position to hit what ended up being the game winning FG.

[DAF86]

For all three super bowls? No that part is just Simms opinion. Especially since KC was favored in two of the three, not sure how Simms can quantify the other two.

The other stuff Simms is saying is vanilla

KC was favoured in those SBs because of Mahomes, not for having the more complete team. That's exactly the point. Switch Mahomes and Garoppolo and the Niners would have been favoured, swtich Mahomes and Brady, and the Bucs would have been favoured.

Also, explain how saying Mahomes just had the best season ever as a QB is a vanilla take, when I haven't heard any other pundit on TV make this take?

[Blake]

KC was favoured in those SBs because of Mahomes, not for having the more complete team. That's exactly the point. Switch Mahomes and Garoppolo and the Niners would have been favoured, swtich Mahomes and Brady, and the Bucs would have been favoured.

Also, explain how saying Mahomes just had the best season ever as a QB is a vanilla take, when I haven't heard any other pundit on TV make this take?

Bull shit. You can't categorically say "trade qbs and the lines will switch". There's a lot more that goes into it than that

[spursreport]

Herd made a couple interesting points

A) There was tape of Eagles defense over-persuing. And even cheating on motion plays. Reid is great friends with Pederson and Jags played Philly early in the season...

B) The shaky field neutralized the teams pass rush

C) Belichick always forced his defenders to wear white gloves in the SB when their opponent wore white jerseys

Lol making excuses on the Eagles D being exposed against an elite QB. Dumbass 49er fan still bitter.

[DAF86]

Bull shit. You can't categorically say "trade qbs and the lines will switch". There's a lot more that goes into it than that

Yeah, when you are trading Mahomes and Garoppolo, the lines will categorically switch. There's literally nothing more that goes into that. :lol

[FrostKing]

Lol making excuses on the Eagles D being exposed against an elite QB. Dumbass 49er fan still bitter.
:lol what are you crying about

[Robz4000]

:lol if the Niners had Mahomes instead of Crappolo they'd be on a fivepeat right now

[FrostKing]

:lol if the Niners had Mahomes instead of Crappolo they'd be on a fivepeat right now
Would he avoid injury unlike everyone else?

[Robz4000]

Would he avoid injury unlike everyone else?

True, if he were a Niner that ankle prolly explodes.

[leemajors]

I can't imagine watching any of those talking head time filling shitshows.

[Blake]

Yeah, when you are trading Mahomes and Garoppolo, the lines will categorically switch. There's literally nothing more that goes into that. :lol

There's coaching and systems. Imagine Brady in Andy Reid's offense. But if it helps your thought process to dumb it down, you do you. I don't really care about this discussion any more tbh.

[SpursforSix]

Neither of the things you mentioned are exactly the same as saying "Mahomes has been on the lesser team on every SB he played" and "Mahomes just had the best season for a QB ever".

I know, because I heard all the other things you are saying but I never really put into persepective the rarity of what Mahomes is accomplishing untill I heard Chris Simms mention those points in that specific way.

what in the real fuck is wrong with you

what exactly do you want people to say about Mahomes? Seriously what the fuck dude.

[leemajors]

what in the real fuck is wrong with you

what exactly do you want people to say about Mahomes? Seriously what the fuck dude.

I've never heard of anyone be enlightened by anything a Simms has had to say :lol

[Monostradamus]

I've never heard of anyone be enlightened by anything a Simms has had to say :lol
:lmao

[Monostradamus]

That “lesser team” take has been regurgitated everywhere, it wasn’t some novel idea.

Also, KC was the clear favorite to win vs Tompa, but everyone likes to forget that because of how bad they got curbstomped :lol

[Monostradamus]

Losing a close one is fine, but getting your cheeks clapped in the Super Bowl is an automatic disqualification from GOAT status. Burrow still in the running tbh.

[DAF86]

There's coaching and systems. Imagine Brady in Andy Reid's offense. But if it helps your thought process to dumb it down, you do you. I don't really care about this discussion any more tbh.

Yeah, I imagine Brady in Reid's system and it's worse than Mahomes in Reid's system. It's really not that complicated, all things equal, the only thing you switch is the QBs, who do you think would have been favoured in the Chiefs-Niners and Chiefs-Bucs matchups?

[DAF86]

what in the real fuck is wrong with you

what exactly do you want people to say about Mahomes? Seriously what the fuck dude.

No, dude, what is wrong with YOU? :lol

I think it's really simple what I'm trying to say. Let me dumb it down for you:

1) Do you think Mahomes has been on the lesser team on the 3 SuperBowls he played?

2) Do you think this 2022/23 season Mahomes just had was the best season ever for a QB?

[SpursforSix]

No, dude, what is wrong with YOU? :lol

I think it's really simple what I'm trying to say. Let me dumb it down for you:

1) Do you think Mahomes has been on the lesser team on the 3 SuperBowls he played?

2) Do you think this 2022/23 season Mahomes just had was the best season ever for a QB?

Yeah...just like everyone else mostly. We all get what he did. He's awesome. Is anyone not saying that?

Why are you painting him as some victim. Maybe I'm missing something in your posts but you sound retarded. I'll apologize if you can justify whatever point you're trying to make.

[leemajors]

The best statistical season ever by a qb is still Marino in 1984 imo.

[DAF86]

Yeah...just like everyone else mostly. We all get what he did. He's awesome. Is anyone not saying that?

Nop, I didn't hear anyone else saying this. Heck, even in this same thread I'm arguing this exact thing with the other guy that said Simms didn't say anything different to what everybody else was saying. :lol

[DAF86]

The best statistical season ever by a qb is still Marino in 1984 imo.

Didn't cap it off with SB and SB MVP, tbh.

[Blake]

Yeah, I imagine Brady in Reid's system and it's worse than Mahomes in Reid's system. It's really not that complicated, all things equal, the only thing you switch is the QBs, who do you think would have been favoured in the Chiefs-Niners and Chiefs-Bucs matchups?

Lol all things wouldn't be equal. Not only would the coaches change but also the team salary cap would change meaning plus or minus a few contributors.

Of course in a vacuum, you and Simms can play with each other like that.

[DAF86]

Lol all things wouldn't be equal. Not only would the coaches change but also the team salary cap would change meaning plus or minus a few contributors.

Of course in a vacuum, you and Simms can play with each other like that.

Just me and Simms? I thought this was a vanilla take that everybody had. Which one is it, son? :lol

[SpursforSix]

Nop, I didn't hear anyone else saying this. Heck, even in this same thread I'm arguing this exact thing with the other guy that said Simms didn't say anything different to what everybody else was saying. :lol

Maybe just say whatever point you're trying to make.

You're seriously starting to sound retarded. (no offense)

[DAF86]

Maybe just say whatever point you're trying to make.

You're seriously starting to sound retarded. (no offense)

My point has been cristal clear since the get go:


Chirs Simms made a couple of great points about Mahomes' legacy that nobody is talking about:

1) In the three Superbowls he has played, he has had the lesser team.

2) He just arguably had the greatest individual season for a QB ever.

Not my problem you didn't understand it, tbh.

[SpursforSix]

My point has been cristal clear since the get go:



Not my problem you didn't understand it, tbh.

LMAO. So you need everyone to confirm Simms couple of points instead of just saying..."Yeah, Mahomes is the best."
I seriously don't know what your point is. Maybe I'm retarded for falling for whatever troll job this is.
Imo, Mahomes is fucking awesome.

[DAF86]

LMAO. So you need everyone to confirm Simms couple of points instead of just saying..."Yeah, Mahomes is the best."
I seriously don't know what your point is. Maybe I'm retarded for falling for whatever troll job this is.
Imo, Mahomes is fucking awesome.

I really don't know why you got your panties in a bunch, tbh. :lol

I don't need anyone to confirm anything, I just brought it up because I thought he made two very interesting points but that are definitely arguable, so I thought it would spark an interesting debate. I didn't know you and Blake would get it all twisted and start bitching about how everyone is sucking Mahomes balls, when that's not the point at all. The point was to argue these two very specific topics, which could be argued either way, and nobody else mentioned up to now: 1) was Mahomes in the lesser team in the 3 SBs he played? And 2) Was this 2022/23 season by him, the best one ever for a QB?

[SpursforSix]

I really don't know why you got your panties in a bunch, tbh. :lol

I don't need anyone to confirm anything, I just brought it up because I thought he made two very interesting points but that are definitely arguable, so I thought it would spark an interesting debate. I didn't know you and Blake (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3460) would get it all twisted and start bitching about how everyone is sucking Mahomes balls, when that's not the point at all. The point was to argue these two very specific topics, which could be argued either way, and nobody else mentioned up to now: 1) was Mahomes in the lesser team in the 3 SBs he played? And 2) Was this 2022/23 season by him, the best one ever for a QB?

No one had to mention that shit because everyone already gets it. Do you get pissed off when someone doesn't mention orgasms are great?

[Blake]

Just me and Simms? I thought this was a vanilla take that everybody had. Which one is it, son? :lol


For all three super bowls? No that part is just Simms opinion. Especially since KC was favored in two of the three, not sure how Simms can quantify the other two.

The other stuff Simms is saying is vanilla

[DAF86]

No one had to mention that shit because everyone already gets it. Do you get pissed off when someone doesn't mention orgasms are great?

Dude, do you really still not get it? :lol

Not everybody believes Mahomes played for the lesser team in the 3 SB he was a part of, and not everybody belives this season he had was the best ever for a QB. And I definitely haven't heard anyone else on the media bring these two topics. Not even Nick Wright, who is the biggest KC homer on TV.

[SpursforSix]

Dude, do you really still not get it? :lol

I guess I don't. If you want to spell it out, please do. Maybe I'm missing something.

[DAF86]

I guess I don't. If you want to spell it out, please do. Maybe I'm missing something.

Read the edit above.

[Blake]

Is Mahomes better than Nowitzki tho. If you substituted both players and the teams were equal

[DAF86]

My problem is thinking I'm engaging with people that are all at a reasonable cognitive level, tbh. :lol

[Monostradamus]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30771561/super-bowl-predictions-picks-odds-preview-big-questions-chiefs-buccaneers?platform=amp
“Our experts lean with the Chiefs in early picks 10-2.”

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-super-bowl-odds-line-spread-chiefs-vs-buccaneers-picks-best-predictions-from-expert-whos-16-3/amp/
“Kansas City is a three-point favorite in the latest Chiefs vs. Buccaneers odds from William Hill Sportsbook”

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2928973-super-bowl-odds-2021-point-spread-money-line-and-chiefs-vs-bucs-prop-bets.amp.html
“The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going into Super Bowl LV to face the Kansas City Chiefs as a -3 underdog.That suggests that the Bucs have little chance of winning it all on their own home field against the reigning Super Bowl champs Feb. 7.”

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/30857722/kansas-city-chiefs-+550-installed-super-bowl-lvi-favorite-tampa-bay-buccaneers-11-1?platform=amp
“Kansas City Chiefs (+550) installed as Super Bowl LVI favorite, with Tampa Bay Buccaneers at 11-1”

https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/fox-sports-super-bowl-2021-predictions-talent
Shannon Sharpe: Chiefs 38, Buccaneers 34
Nick Wright: Chiefs blowout
Colin Cowherd: Chiefs 31, Buccaneers 24
Emmanuel Acho: Chiefs 32, Buccaneers 24
Clay Travis: Chiefs 28, Buccaneers 27
Skip Bayless: Buccaneers 23, Chiefs 20
Marcellus Wiley: Buccaneers 29, Chiefs 27
Chiefs 5 to 2

[Monostradamus]

hE’s aLwAyS hAd tHe LeSsEr tEaM!

[DAF86]

hE’s aLwAyS hAd tHe LeSsEr tEaM!

See, SpursforSix? Those two points are far from a foregone conclusion.

[Monostradamus]

Losing a close one is fine, but getting your cheeks clapped in the Super Bowl is an automatic disqualification from GOAT status. Burrow still in the running tbh.
Cheeks clapped as the prohibitive favorite, no less :lmao

[Monostradamus]

See, SpursforSix (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49684)? Those two points are far from a foregone conclusion.
It’s clearly a retarded take, and it’s also been passed around everywhere in the sports hot take cycle. You and kindred spirit in retardedness Chris Simms aren’t alone in being stupid enough to believe it.

[DAF86]

It’s clearly a retarded take, and it’s also been passed around everywhere in the sports hot take cycle. You and kindred spirit in retardedness Chris Simms aren’t alone in being stupid enough to believe it.

It really isn't. You are omitting the very important fact that the only reason the Chiefs were favoured both vs the Niners and Bucs, is Patrick Mahomes.

P/S: Can you link to some of these other folks that said that Mahomes played for the lesser team in the 3 SBs he was a part of?

[Monostradamus]

The ESL goat-herding pedophile from Argentina thinking it’s everyone else that has the comprehension issues :lmao

[Monostradamus]

It really isn't. You are omitting the very important fact that the only reason the Chiefs were favoured both vs the Niners and Bucs, is Patrick Mahomes.

P/S: Can you link to some of these other folks that said that Mahomes played for the lesser team in the 3 SBs he was a part of?

They were the clear favorite and it wasn’t even close. It’s revisionist history to claim they were the weaker team because Mahomes got his cheeks clapped.

[Monostradamus]

Monday morning I heard Orlovsky/Ryan Clark/Screamin A all proclaiming the exact same “wEaKeR tEaM!” take. It’s a purposely obtuse take that everyone passed around for engagement and clickbait. I’m sorry you were stupid enough to fall for it.

[SpursforSix]

Dude, do you really still not get it? :lol

Not everybody believes Mahomes played for the lesser team in the 3 SB he was a part of, and not everybody belives this season he had was the best ever for a QB. And I definitely haven't heard anyone else on the media bring these two topics. Not even Nick Wright, who is the biggest KC homer on TV.

Dude...anyone that knows football has said the shit you did above. Maybe not exactly but to some degree. Do you need everyone to confirm your two points which everyone already knows? Congrats on the shittiest internet win ever if that's the case.

[DAF86]

They were the clear favorite and it wasn’t even close. It’s revisionist history to claim they were the weaker team because Mahomes got his cheeks clapped.

How is being a 3 pts favourite, a "clear" favourite? :lol And 3 pts that only existed because of Mahomes. Switch him and Niners and Bucs become, at least, a TD favourites.

[SpursforSix]

Damn. I just rewatched the game and I'm wondering if the Cheifs might be better off with like Fields or Lance. Or maybe even Dak. Mahomes just makes too many bonheaded plays.

[Monostradamus]

How is being a 3 pts favourite, a "clear" favourite? :lol And 3 pts that only existed because of Mahomes. Switch him and Niners and Bucs become, at least, a TD favourites.
Holy crap, you’re telling me good quarterbacks are important to a team’s success?

Swap Brady with Blaine Gabbert and the Chiefs are 14+ pt favorites. It goes both ways, retard.

[SpursforSix]

How is being a 3 pts favourite, a "clear" favourite? :lol And 3 pts that only existed because of Mahomes. Switch him and Niners and Bucs become, at least, a TD favourites.

Is your fucking point that Mahomes is great?

[DAF86]

Dude...anyone that knows football has said the shit you did above. Maybe not exactly but to some degree.

Ok, can you post links to some of the folks saying these things? I honestly haven't heard a single one other than Simms.


Do you need everyone to confirm your two points which everyone already knows?

No, I brought it up to argue like I'm doing with Monostradamus

[DAF86]

Is your fucking point that Mahomes is great?

Dude, stop it. You are boring everyone and you are making yourself look stupid.

[SpursforSix]

Ok, can you post links to some of the folks saying these things? I honestly haven't heard a single one other than Simms.



No, I brought it up to argue like I'm doing with Monostradamus (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=26617)

I'm out on this. It's just stupid.

[DAF86]

Holy crap, you’re telling me good quarterbacks are important to a team’s success?

Swap Brady with Blaine Gabbert and the Chiefs are 14+ pt favorites. It goes both ways, retard.

No, it doesn't go both ways. It actually goes opposite ways because for Mahomes to become an even bigger favorite when swaping to the Bucs, it means the Chiefs would have gone from 3pts favourite to underdogs with Brady.

[DAF86]

I'm out on this. It's just stupid.

Yes, I already knew you couldn't provide any example.

[Monostradamus]

Mahomes got his cheeks clapped as the favorite. That’s it and that’s all.

[Monostradamus]

“If you just put Mahomes on the team that won, then he would have won!”

:lmao

[Monostradamus]

Swap Brady with Nick Foles and the Eagles would have been the clear favorites! Therefore don’t pay attention to who actually won!

This is fun, now I can rewrite every Brady loss and turn it into further proof that he’s the GOAT. Genius!

[Monostradamus]

Swap Brady with Jared Goff and the Patriots don’t win in 2018! See, now it’s proof that Brady did it all by himself!

[DAF86]

“If you just put Mahomes on the team that won, then he would have won!”

:lmao

If you put Mahomes on the team that lost in SB LIV, they would have won the game, tbh.

[Judy Booty]

If you put Mahomes on the team that lost in SB LIV, they would have won the game, tbh.

I smacked my gobber's pooper on this. You want to hang out for a few minutes?

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/dBCPkbV/Screenshot-20230215-151941-Chrome.jpg

:nerd

[lefty20]

1625623689348755458

Brady evolved from a system bro to GOAT lvl.

Mahomes started there, tbh.

[FrostKing]

Wow Montana

Perenial loser
Defensive Era
Absolutely loaded NFC

[Arcadian]

He pulled a Duncan :toast

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/329785520_3404456323214667_4759748669656420388_n.j pg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=xtaxilf6A7EAX_ytDZB&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=00_AfDs_5yg0sQllY8h-R4MK7npfajglQiTPG-OpveNhowg2Q&oe=63F1E766

[FrostKing]

Still shocking Williams didn't get the Super Bowl MVP in 2020

[MultiTroll]

https://i.ibb.co/dBCPkbV/Screenshot-20230215-151941-Chrome.jpg

:nerd
Ya defensive backs running away from the receiver and leaving them 15-20 yards open.

That takes some real skill to pass the ball to them.

[MultiTroll]

Mahomes got his cheeks clapped as the favorite. That’s it and that’s all.
:lmao your cheeks getting slapped with your paying for Bradys used undies after the game.
1358584681671909378

But wait, there's more!
Super Bowl 2021: The Bucs got every call against the Chiefs - SBNation.com (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2021/2/7/22271703/bucs-chiefs-super-bowl-55-penalties-tom-brady-mike-evans-tyran-matheiu)

[Monostradamus]

:lmao your cheeks getting slapped with your paying for Bradys used undies after the game.
1358584681671909378

But wait, there's more!
Super Bowl 2021: The Bucs got every call against the Chiefs - SBNation.com (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2021/2/7/22271703/bucs-chiefs-super-bowl-55-penalties-tom-brady-mike-evans-tyran-matheiu)
:lmao cry about it some more, MultiFabbs

[MultiTroll]

:lmao cry about it some more, MultiFabbs
You cry about being exposed for your weak bullshit takes.

Lover of bullshit calls monoslob tryna spin.

[Monostradamus]

You cry about being exposed for your weak bullshit takes.

Lover of bullshit calls monoslob tryna spin.
Point on the TomDoll where the bad man Brady hurt you, MultiFabbsGetsRegulated

[Blake]

:lmao your cheeks getting slapped with your paying for Bradys used undies after the game.
1358584681671909378

But wait, there's more!
Super Bowl 2021: The Bucs got every call against the Chiefs - SBNation.com (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2021/2/7/22271703/bucs-chiefs-super-bowl-55-penalties-tom-brady-mike-evans-tyran-matheiu)

Yeah that was a shit call as pass interference. At worst defensive holding

[Blake]

But the chiefs weren't gonna win. That Bucs D was brutal

[Bill_Brasky]

I'd take Mahome over Brady. Mahomes can do everything Brady can do, Brady can't do what Mahomes does. Brady played with a top 5 defense every year, Mahomes has never had a top 10 defense.

[Blake]

I'd take Mahome over Brady. Mahomes can do everything Brady can do, Brady can't do what Mahomes does. Brady played with a top 5 defense every year, Mahomes has never had a top 10 defense.

Gawd if he'd only had an average defense at Tech he'd have two Heismans

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/XkiQVvXZeyI

How times change

[FrostKing]

I'd take Mahome over Brady. Mahomes can do everything Brady can do, Brady can't do what Mahomes does. Brady played with a top 5 defense every year, Mahomes has never had a top 10 defense.
Mahomes is approaching John Elway. Arguably he jumped Farve.

Still a long way to go for guys like Montana or Brady.

[Bill_Brasky]

Mahomes is approaching John Elway. Arguably he jumped Farve.

Still a long way to go for guys like Montana or Brady.

As far as accomplishments, sure. As far as i've seen them play and i know who is at a higher level by just watching them, no. Mahomes is something we haven't seen.

[FrostKing]

As far as accomplishments, sure. As far as i've seen them play and i know who is at a higher level by just watching them, no. Mahomes is something we haven't seen.
I understand what you are saying but for reference Mahomes is not even the most gifted Quarterback today.

Off the top of my head Steve Young was more athletic and accurate. Mahomes is taller and has stronger arm.

[SpursforSix]

I understand what you are saying but for reference Mahomes isn't even the most gifted Quarterback today.

So you're going to say that without telling us who the most gifted QB is?

[FrostKing]

So you're going to say that without telling us who the most gifted QB is?
Josh Allen is the most physically gifted QB. He has no offensive coaching/direction, or running game and sketchy offensive line.

[SpursforSix]

Josh Allen is the most physically gifted QB. He has no offensive coaching/direction, or running game and sketchy offensive line.

Oh...OK. You went from "gifted" to "physically gifted".

[FrostKing]

Oh...OK. You went from "gifted" to "physically gifted".
Mahomes is more patient, that is an underrated skill. I think knowing your coach will draw up wide open WRs at the goal line can have something to do with that.

[SpursforSix]

Mahomes is more patient, that is an underrated skill. I think knowing your coach will draw up wide open WRs at the goal line can have something to do with that.

I'm not an Allen hater by any means. But give Mahomes a technician like Diggs??? I get that he has Kelce. But Mahomes does more with less than anyone in the league. Davis would be the WR1 on the Chiefs.

[FrostKing]

I'm not an Allen hater by any means. But give Mahomes a technician like Diggs??? I get that he has Kelce. But Mahomes does more with less than anyone in the league. Davis would be the WR1 on the Chiefs.
Why would he need Diggs though? Open WRs isn't an issue on the Chiefs. I don't see them dropping many balls, that can surely be attitubuted to Mahomes throwing a good ball.

I personally haven't been hugely Wow'd by Mahomes. But his regular season & playoff (except Super Bowl) numbers speak for themselves. He's incredibly durable and consistent in the best offensive system - compare Alex Smith's production going from Harbaugh to Reid.

[DAF86]

Mahomes is approaching John Elway. Arguably he jumped Farve.

Still a long way to go for guys like Montana or Brady.

In terms of accomplishments Mahomes is already 3rd behind Brady and Montana. In terms of peak, Mahomes is the best by a distance.

[DAF86]

Josh Allen is the most physically gifted QB. He has no offensive coaching/direction, or running game and sketchy offensive line.

Allen might have a stronger arm, be faster and stronger, but he doesn't have Mahomes arm talent. The accuracy, the touch, the crazy throwing angles.

[lefty20]

1626242933794959360

Brady would've burned a timeout and Rodgers would've thrown a hissy fit over it.

But MahGOAT made it work.

[spurraider21]

the game was only as close as it was because the refs literally took a TD away from the Chiefs with by far the worst call of the game (Miles Sanders fumble 6)

[spurraider21]

In terms of accomplishments Mahomes is already 3rd behind Brady and Montana. In terms of peak, Mahomes is the best by a distance.
only person who even resembles peak mahomes is peak rodgers

[SpursforSix]

Why would he need Diggs though? Open WRs isn't an issue on the Chiefs. I don't see them dropping many balls, that can surely be attitubuted to Mahomes throwing a good ball.

I personally haven't been hugely Wow'd by Mahomes. But his regular season & playoff (except Super Bowl) numbers speak for themselves. He's incredibly durable and consistent in the best offensive system - compare Alex Smith's production going from Harbaugh to Reid.

You don't think having a top 3 WR would make a difference? With Kelce? My point was Allen probably needs those weapons. I can't imagine him being successful with the cast Mahomes has. Hard to say for sure because Kelce is a game changer.

[FrostKing]

You don't think having a top 3 WR would make a difference? With Kelce? My point was Allen probably needs those weapons. I can't imagine him being successful with the cast Mahomes has. Hard to say for sure because Kelce is a game changer.
You are debating as if they have equal play design and caller.

What good are weapons when they are poorly utilized? Not to mention the vast advantage KC has at the Offensive Line.

[FrostKing]

In terms of accomplishments Mahomes is already 3rd behind Brady and Montana. In terms of peak, Mahomes is the best by a distance.
I need to see Playoff road wins. I need to see a great performance in the Super Bowl.

Best team Mahomes has defeated in his career is the Jimmy led 49ers? Or Burrow's Bengals whom fell to the Rams anyway. I don't think Mahomes has eliminated a team with a Ring.

I agree he is on his way and trajectory looks great but we still have a long way to go.

[DAF86]

These are better than most movies:

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[DAF86]

I need to see Playoff road wins. I need to see a great performance in the Super Bowl.

Best team Mahomes has defeated in his career is the Jimmy led 49ers? Or Burrow's Bengals whom fell to the Rams anyway. I don't think Mahomes has eliminated a team with a Ring.

I agree he is on his way and trajectory looks great but we still have a long way to go.

Best team Mahomes has defeated are these star-studed Eagles, tbh.

[lefty20]

1620408229342892033

This was before the SB.

Pass Rtg, Comp %, Pass TD/G and TD/INT Ratio all improved against a top end D.

People gotta stop hating and start appreciating the greatness on display.



PS: Big shoutout to Pace for not drafting him. We would've ruined him and he wouldn't be half the player he is rn, tbh.

[FrostKing]

1620408229342892033

This was before the SB.

Pass Rtg, Comp %, Pass TD/G and TD/INT Ratio all improved against a top end D.

People gotta stop hating and start appreciating the greatness on display.



PS: Big shoutout to Pace for not drafting him. We would've ruined him and he wouldn't be half the player he is rn, tbh.
Patrick was drafted to a Playoff team with a HOF Offensive Coach in an Offensive Era. Of the Top 25 QBs of all time, I don't think any started with a more favorable deck of cards.

If you want to crown him early on, it's entirely understandable. I'll wait and see what occurs as he is forced to shoulder more responsibility. IMO if he was as great as many are already painting him, he wouldn't have mediocre Super Bowl numbers 3 games in.

[DAF86]

Patrick was drafted to a Playoff team with a HOF Offensive Coach in an Offensive Era. Of the Top 25 QBs of all time, I don't think any started with a more favorable deck of cards.

If you want to crown him early on, it's entirely understandable. I'll wait and see what occurs as he is forced to shoulder more responsibility. IMO if he was as great as many are already painting him, he wouldn't have mediocre Super Bowl numbers 3 games in.

Give me Brady's start to a career, tbh. Where you have to be little more than a game manager to collect 3 rings in your first 4 years.

[leemajors]

If you win your division and top conf seed, wgaf about road wins :lol you're really reaching if that is some sort of standard

[Robz4000]

So you're going to say that without telling us who the most gifted QB is?

Rodgers is the most gifted QB I've ever seen tbh.

[Bill_Brasky]

Patrick was drafted to a Playoff team with a HOF Offensive Coach in an Offensive Era. Of the Top 25 QBs of all time, I don't think any started with a more favorable deck of cards.

If you want to crown him early on, it's entirely understandable. I'll wait and see what occurs as he is forced to shoulder more responsibility. IMO if he was as great as many are already painting him, he wouldn't have mediocre Super Bowl numbers 3 games in.

Lmaooooo way to rewrite history. Before he had Mahomes, Andy Reid was regarded as a playoff choker who couldn't manage a clock.

[Bill_Brasky]

Rodgers is the most gifted QB I've ever seen tbh.

No he isn't. Mahomes is a better Rodgers, who does it in the playoffs when it matter most. Rodgers is a shitbag and a bad leader who never takes accountability.

[FrostKing]

Lmaooooo way to rewrite history. Before he had Mahomes, Andy Reid was regarded as a playoff choker who couldn't manage a clock.
The Eagles were the whipping boy of the NFC East before he showed up. McNabb wasn't Mahomes. I agree.

[FrostKing]

Eagles had 0 Division Titles between 1989-1998

Reid won 4 in his first 6 seasons

[leemajors]

Eagles had 0 Division Titles between 1989-1998

Reid won 4 in his first 6 seasons

And Reid was regarded exactly as Bill_Brasky says he was.

[FrostKing]

And Reid was regarded exactly as Bill_Brasky says he was.
NFCCG appearances

Post 1990
Cowboys - 4
Eagles - 0

Post Reid
Cowboys- 0
Eagles - 4



Philadelphia Eagles
30-Years Before Reid
0 SB appearances

30-Years Since Reid
3 SB Appearances

[leemajors]

NFCCG appearances

Post 1990
Cowboys - 4
Eagles - 0

Post Reid
Cowboys- 0
Eagles - 4



Philadelphia Eagles
30-Years Before Reid
0 SB appearances

30-Years Since Reid
3 SB Appearances

I guess you are not old enough to remember. He got fired for not winning a Super Bowl in 14 seasons, this is not difficult to understand.

[JohnnyMax]

https://twitter.com/nick_field90/status/1625247176686202899
https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1593316688128196608
https://twitter.com/Chiefskingdoms/status/1468302460418760713

Andy Reid playoffs record

22-16 overall. 11-3 with Mahomes. 1-4 before Mahomes in KC. 10-9 in Philly. 11-13 playoff record before Mahomes.

[SpursforSix]

https://twitter.com/nick_field90/status/1625247176686202899
https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1593316688128196608
https://twitter.com/Chiefskingdoms/status/1468302460418760713

Andy Reid playoffs record

22-16 overall. 11-3 with Mahomes. 1-4 before Mahomes in KC. 10-9 in Philly. 11-13 playoff record before Mahomes.

Awesome, now do Belichik.
A good coach should be able to build and scheme with a great QB. And I guess I agree a lot of it is luck in who you end up with as your QB. But 3 Super Bowls, 5 straight conference championships?

[leemajors]

Awesome, now do Belichik.
A good coach should be able to build and scheme with a great QB. And I guess I agree a lot of it is luck in who you end up with as your QB. But 3 Super Bowls, 5 straight conference championships?

Yeah he got there in the end

[FrostKing]

https://twitter.com/nick_field90/status/1625247176686202899
https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1593316688128196608
https://twitter.com/Chiefskingdoms/status/1468302460418760713

Andy Reid playoffs record

22-16 overall. 11-3 with Mahomes. 1-4 before Mahomes in KC. 10-9 in Philly. 11-13 playoff record before Mahomes.
Chiefs Pre Reid - 2 Playoff appearances in 9 years

Andy's first season: flipping a 2-win Chiefs team into 11 wins

I'm not saying Mahomes is a passenger. But he has started his career with the best deck of cards. Pat deserves to be in the GOAT conversation but I'm pumping breaks. Seen this movie before...

[SpursforSix]

Yeah he got there in the end

I don’t go to a lot of football websites. I’m sure there are shitty takes everywhere. But damn, there’s some weird shit that gets said in here.

[leemajors]

I don’t go to a lot of football websites. I’m sure there are shitty takes everywhere. But damn, there’s some weird shit that gets said in here.

Oh I just meant Reid

[SpursforSix]

Oh I just meant Reid

Are you saying he's a good coach or bad coach? Or somewhere in between that just ended up with Mahomes?

[Goob]

Reid is a good coach but it does help the kind of players he has had. Be interesting to see how he would do with a subpar team like the Texans or Bears.

[leemajors]

Are you saying he's a good coach or bad coach? Or somewhere in between that just ended up with Mahomes?

He's a good coach that got the right player, and developed him very well. There are a lot of talented qbs out there that don't get to the right team/coaching staff

[SpursforSix]

He's a good coach that got the right player, and developed him very well. There are a lot of talented qbs out there that don't get to the right team/coaching staff

Got it. Almost all coaches successes are based on who they end up with. Phil Jackson, Pop, Jimmy Johnson, etc. I suppose you have to be a good enough coach to make it work.
Then on the other hand, you have guys like Belichick or maybe Rick Carlisle. Who did things pretty great with less material. I guess. Not trying to blow it off but it's an extensive conversation.

[spursreport]

Chiefs Pre Reid - 2 Playoff appearances in 9 years

Andy's first season: flipping a 2-win Chiefs team into 11 wins

I'm not saying Mahomes is a passenger. But he has started his career with the best deck of cards. Pat deserves to be in the GOAT conversation but I'm pumping breaks. Seen this movie before...

You also said the Eagles D was elite.

[FrostKing]

You also said the Eagles D was elite.
The main strength of their defense is the Defensive Line that was neutralized by the sloppy field. I don't think they are as bad as they performed that night.

[spursreport]

The main strength of their defense is the Defensive Line that was neutralized by the sloppy field. I don't think they are as bad as they performed that night.

Nah. That D line played shitty QB’s most of the year. Can’t use the field as an excuse. KC’s D got 2 sacks in those “conditions.”

[Arcadian]

In terms of accomplishments Mahomes is already 3rd behind Brady and Montana. In terms of peak, Mahomes is the best by a distance.

Don't forget about Bradshaw when you're thinking about accomplishments. 4 rings, 2x SB MVP, 1 league MVP, 2x passing TD leader.

[leemajors]

Don't forget about Bradshaw when you're thinking about accomplishments. 4 rings, 2x SB MVP, 1 league MVP, 2x passing TD leader.

And way more interceptions than all of them

[Blake]

Put Terry on the New Orleans Saints instead of the Steelers and he's not gonna be in the hof

His accuracy was pretty mediocre

[FrostKing]

Drew Brees
If he stays on the Chargers?

QBs that make glory after original home? That's why Steve Young
USFL & Bucs to the Hall of Fame

[Blake]

Drew Brees
If he stays on the Chargers?

QBs that make glory after original home? That's why Steve Young
USFL & Bucs to the Hall of Fame

Brees made the pro bowl in SD

[FrostKing]

Brees made the pro bowl in SD
Brees was left

Does he reduced Philip Rivers

[Blake]

Brees was left

Does he reduced Philip Rivers

Huh

[Arcadian]

I'll also throw some respect to Otto Graham and Bart Starr. Don't forget about the pre-SB era. Different game, but equally impressive how those guys dominated.

[MultiTroll]

Super Bowl thrower Darius Slay cut by Eagles.

[MultiTroll]

^ Only to have the Eagles take Slay back a half a day later.

Bad move imo. He sold them out.