Shams: Dedmon and a 2nd Rounder to Spurs

[Manuismyhomeboy]

Heat traded Dedmon and a 2nd….but for whom?

[szkorhetz]

I guess just a top 55 protected future SRP.

Salary move by the heat

[spurraider21]

I’m seeing… dedmon and a 2 for… cash considerations? Wow

[Mugen]

Maybe we're getting Kawhi back :lol

[baseline bum]

LOL didn't Dedmond hate Pop's pro-black lessons and shit? :lol

[AFBlue]

If nothing else, this helps us get to the cap floor, correct?

[spurraider21]

He’s gonna get waived tbh. No guaranteed money beyond this season. Waive or buyout

[spurraider21]

If nothing else, this helps us get to the cap floor, correct?
there’s no specific reason to hit the cap floor. You are paying dedmon instead of that money being shared among our roster

but we are starting to make use of cap space in exchange for assets. Tho a second rounder from Miami is a pretty poor one. It’s something

[cd98]

Incoming center means trade of another big?

[cd98]

Or maybe a timely “injury” for Jakob so Spurs can have a center that helps us tank.

[MultiTroll]

LOL didn't Dedmond hate Pop's pro-black lessons and shit? :lol
Culminated with Dewayne D responding to Patrick Beverly violating the free throw circle and coming right up to DD while he was shooting the FT.

Pop went into one of his full on fake outrage moralist rants
:cry:cry that's not classy :cry:cry
and Dedmon basically never saw the floor again and was traded.

Another reason why Kwa left imo, albeit perhaps a small one. DD said to be one of Kwas best buddies on team.

No need to preach, the way Scumbag leaving the Spurs no trade options was atrocious. But per site owner the whole split was maybe 50/50 as to whom was to blame.

I can't see DD wanting to play for Pop unless he is cash strapped.

[Ocotillo]

Competitive nature of PATFO coming out. After witnessing the beat down that Andre Drummond put on our two centers they had to get someone... :lol

[Leetonidas]

Didn't he have some kinda tantrum on the sidelines recently? almost assuredly a waive/buyout coming

[spurraider21]

Incoming center means trade of another big?
I’d say there’s less than a 10% shot of him suiting up for the spurs

[spurs10]

Didn't he have some kinda tantrum on the sidelines recently? almost assuredly a waive/buyout coming Yes I read about that as well. Perhaps they were all too glad to say goodbye.

[KingKev]

DD was quietly a decent contributor that year till he ended up in Pop’s dog house. He actually had instances subsequent to his tenure in San Antonio where he showed a 3pt stroke but that would have been strictly forbidden by Pop in those days.

I’m not certain he gets waived unless he doesn’t want to be there. Regardless, nothing to see here.

[Mr. Body]

First time the Spurs and Heat have ever traded with each other, apparently.

[NickiRasgo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPcZUeMn5Zw

[duncan2150]

I guess just a top 55 protected future SRP.

Salary move by the heat

Why top 55 protected ? you don't eat a 2 year contract for nothing.

[duncan2150]

Dedmon has a 2 year contract, will be strange to only have cash considerations.

[KobesAchilles]

Haslem wasn't available? Such a shitty trade :lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Dedmon has a 2 year contract, will be strange to only have cash considerations.

Next season is fully non guaranteed. He probably has about $2 mil left to be paid for this season when/if waived.

It'll be interesting to find out more about that 2nd round pick coming our way. They don't have one this year and have some funky protections on 2nds in some years.

[heyheymymy]

well at least it shows the wheels are turning

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

According to Sportac:

FEB 7 2023Traded to San Antonio (SAS) from Miami (MIA) with 2028 2nd round pick for $110k

[Chinook]

there’s no specific reason to hit the cap floor. You are paying dedmon instead of that money being shared among our roster

but we are starting to make use of cap space in exchange for assets. Tho a second rounder from Miami is a pretty poor one. It’s something

The Spurs can use Dedmon's contract in subsequent trades immediately, so I wouldn't assume this is all they're going to do with him. Like if the Lakers were willing to trade Russ to the Spurs for pieces, I could see them wanting to take Dedmon as part of that. They need center help too. Miami should be giving the Spurs two seconds, since most of the ones they can trade are twisted tangles of conditions. But all things considered, this isn't that bad.

[Chinook]

According to Sportac:

FEB 7 2023Traded to San Antonio (SAS) from Miami (MIA) with 2028 2nd round pick for $110k

I'm actually pretty happy to hear the Spurs are willing to send cash rather than encumber more picks like they did in the Boston trade. Now from a pure money standpoint, it feels a bit weird. But it's good that they're at least not at the absolutely bottom of the barrel in terms of how cheap they are now.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'm actually pretty happy to hear the Spurs are willing to send cash rather than encumber more picks like they did in the Boston trade. Now from a pure money standpoint, it feels a bit weird. But it's good that they're at least not at the absolutely bottom of the barrel in terms of how cheap they are now.

I consider it a pretty good deal. The 2028 Miami 2nd has no conditions on it unlike most of their other 2nds, so it seems it's coming to the Spurs straight up. Also, as you said, they could still use Dedmon's contract in trades in a similar way they used Juancho's last year. It's not a bombastic trade but it's a shrewd one.

[RC_Drunkford]

maybe Brian Wright is trying to turn 2nds into 1sts like he did with the Thad Young trade

[John B]

I remember the guy plays specially hard against the Spurs, almost always getting career highs. The passion is real :lol:lol

[spurraider21]

2028 :lol

looking here though, that does appear to be the earliest SRP the heat had to offer

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

[scott]

RACE FOR SEIS!

[daslicer]

Maybe we're getting Kawhi back :lol

We'll get him back when he's washed up and is averaging 5 points a game.

[Degoat]

Weird ass trade lol

[The Truth #6]

RACE FOR SEIS!

I’m on OpenTable right now getting reservations on the Riverwalk for the championship parade!

[Seventyniner]

I don't get it from the Heat's perspective. They were already around $5M under the tax. Do they want to be buyers and take on some extra salary without risking going over the tax line?

From the Spurs' perspective, sure why not. Dedmon is a decent player to take Zach's minutes, if either Zach is traded or Poeltl is and Zach moves into the starting lineup.

[FutureMan]

God I love trades.

If I’m understanding this correctly, the Spurs paid the Heat $110,000 and took on the rest of Dedmons salary of $1.67 millions for the year for a 2nd in 2028.

Does $1,780,000 equate to what 2nds are worth?

[The Truth #6]

I’m wondering if making this small trade is to prepare for larger trades in the next few days for Miami. Feels like we’re doing the NBA equivalent of money laundering or something.

[JeffDuncan]

Looks like an okay deal by the Spurs. They paid $110k in cash for Dedmon’s contract and a 2028 2nd round pick. Dedmon’s contract has $1.67 M left to be paid to him. So it’s basically the purchase of that 2RP for $1.78 M. The cash purchase of 2RPs seems to run about $2 M from what I’ve seen elsewhere.

[heyheymymy]

Basically bought a clean MIA 2028 2RP for $110k cash + 1.78mm left of Deadmon's deal outright nice deal

stacking draft capital

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't get it from the Heat's perspective. They were already around $5M under the tax. Do they want to be buyers and take on some extra salary without risking going over the tax line?

No they were just a little bit under the tax before the trade. This opens space for them to sign some of their two-way players - Orlando Robinson has been good and has completely taken Dedmon's role. They'd also have room to add one more player for their 15th spot without going over the tax. Of course there's also the possibility of creating breathing room for a larger deal.

In any case Dedmon was frozen out after the massage gun throw. He wasn't going to play a single minute for the Heat anyway.


From the Spurs' perspective, sure why not. Dedmon is a decent player to take Zach's minutes, if either Zach is traded or Poeltl is and Zach moves into the starting lineup.

Doubt he suits up for the Spurs. Dude has been unhappy everywhere he's been - Orlando, Spurs, Sacramento, Miami. He has some serious anger issues.

The best way the Spurs could use him would be by using his contract in another trade before thursday.

[JeffDuncan]

God I love trades.

If I’m understanding this correctly, the Spurs paid the Heat $110,000 and took on the rest of Dedmons salary of $1.67 millions for the year for a 2nd in 2028.

Does $1,780,000 equate to what 2nds are worth?


That’s how I’m reading it too. I think it’s fair value for the pick, maybe even a bit of a discount.

[jjspur]

A meh trade at best, but it gets the spurs slightly closer to the salary floor. Possibly another smallish - medium trade is in the works. Would the next trade have to involve players since we are now at 15 ?

[Degoat]

Using our Salary for a 2nd rounder isn’t that great…

[JPB]

Cool, so we can trade Jak for 2FRPs now... And get another 2 picks for Doug and Josh... It's happening, people.

[JeffDuncan]

Using our Salary for a 2nd rounder isn’t that great…


Oh, sure it is. Keep in mind, the Spurs are under the salary floor. They have to pay out more salary, it isn’t optional. This is a way to get a pick for what they have to do anyway.

If they stood pat, and paid more to the current players, they wouldn’t get a pick.

[Seventyniner]

No they were just a little bit under the tax before the trade. This opens space for them to sign some of their two-way players - Orlando Robinson has been good and has completely taken Dedmon's role. They'd also have room to add one more player for their 15th spot without going over the tax. Of course there's also the possibility of creating breathing room for a larger deal.

In any case Dedmon was frozen out after the massage gun throw. He wasn't going to play a single minute for the Heat anyway.



Doubt he suits up for the Spurs. Dude has been unhappy everywhere he's been - Orlando, Spurs, Sacramento, Miami. He has some serious anger issues.

The best way the Spurs could use him would be by using his contract in another trade before thursday.

I hadn't seen the massage gun thing. I agree, the Heat wanted him out and the Spurs were willing to chew up a bit of their cap room and cash for a cheap second rounder with no regard for actually keeping Dedmon. I had only looked at his stats, which seem okay.

Do we know if it's unprotected? The Spurs have done so well at the bottom of the first, I would think they might be able to find a gem or two at the top of the second. Teams are understandably reluctant to trade far-out unprotected firsts; I wonder if the next evolution is to target far-out unprotected seconds?

[Mr. Body]

Pretty sharp move, tbh. Buying a 2nd round pick for pretty cheap and have a lot of cap room still.

[jjspur]

Having a 3rd big who can shoot 3's a little can't hurt. It's his personality/attitude thats the issue. Like other people have said, he may just be waived anyway. At least we get a second out of it.

[spurraider21]

A meh trade at best, but it gets the spurs slightly closer to the salary floor. Possibly another smallish - medium trade is in the works. Would the next trade have to involve players since we are now at 15 ?
getting to the salary floor isnt really an objective. rather than paying dedmon 4 mil to fuck off, the 4 mil would have been spread as a bonus among our players. now, leveraging cap space for assets/picks... thats good stuff

[JPB]

I hadn't seen the massage gun thing. I agree, the Heat wanted him out and the Spurs were willing to chew up a bit of their cap room and cash for a cheap second rounder with no regard for actually keeping Dedmon. I had only looked at his stats, which seem okay.

Do we know if it's unprotected? The Spurs have done so well at the bottom of the first, I would think they might be able to find a gem or two at the top of the second. Teams are understandably reluctant to trade far-out unprotected firsts; I wonder if the next evolution is to target far-out unprotected seconds?

Not sure many GMs will trade for protected seconds, I don't know.

[RC_Drunkford]

can't wait for the video tribute

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoYNEK8WcAIZgTP?format=png&name=small

[jjspur]

getting to the salary floor isnt really an objective. rather than paying dedmon 4 mil to fuck off, the 4 mil would have been spread as a bonus among our players. now, leveraging cap space for assets/picks... thats good stuff

I agree, any asset is a good asset. Hopefully Miami is a crappy team by then.

[heyheymymy]

wiping player assets for the pick asset bundled into them

I think it's savvy

could see the Spurs clean up some 2RPs into a FRP possibly with another move

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

can't wait for the video tribute

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoYNEK8WcAIZgTP?format=png&name=small

:lol


The $110K just seems obscure in the high dollar world of the NBA. Were the Heat out of facial tissue in the locker room? The Spurs sending that over in $1 bills?

[JeffDuncan]

Spotrac shows the Spurs still $9.8 M below the salary cap floor, so they could still do more in a “no-cost” kind of way. That’s if they can find another team that needs cap space.

[DPG21920]

:lol


The $110K just seems obscure in the high dollar world of the NBA. Were the Heat out of facial tissue in the locker room? The Spurs sending that over in $1 bills?

It’s the minimum you can send out in a deal where you have to send something tangible. Normally you see teams send top 55 protected 2nd rounder back but in this case, SA gets a totally unprotected 2nd and sends out the bare min cash you legally can send as their “tangible” asset.

[heyheymymy]

The 110k was the exact cost for taking the FTX sign down off Miami-Dade Arena, I think

[DPG21920]

Spotrac shows the Spurs still $9.8 M below the salary cap floor, so they could still do more in a “no-cost” kind of way. That’s if they can find another team that needs cap space.

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He’s gonna get waived tbh. No guaranteed money beyond this season. Waive or buyout

Only ~30 games left. Probably not much difference between the two. Just waive his ass. Not a big fan.

Only reason to keep him is if 2 or more of the following are true:
1. Bassey is done for the season
2. Collins is moved
3. Poeltl is moved
4. Both are moved.

[JeffDuncan]

The 110k was the exact cost for taking the FTX sign down off Miami-Dade Arena, I think

:lol

[KingKev]

Okay but hear me out…. could DD and Wemby have the ability to become the new twin towers if Tim Duncan, David Robinson and Coach Pop provide the tutelage?!?

[JeffDuncan]

Okay but hear me out…. could DD and Wemby have the ability to become the new twin towers if Tim Duncan, David Robinson and Coach Pop provide the tutelage?!?


Dedmon could be the tower that an airplane hit.

Horrible joke, sorry.

[RC_Drunkford]

:lol


The $110K just seems obscure in the high dollar world of the NBA. Were the Heat out of facial tissue in the locker room? The Spurs sending that over in $1 bills?

strip club money :hat

[Chinook]

getting to the salary floor isnt really an objective. rather than paying dedmon 4 mil to fuck off, the 4 mil would have been spread as a bonus among our players. now, leveraging cap space for assets/picks... thats good stuff

The rule about the floor was changed after Hinkie fucked everything up. It's based on cash now. I fully expect the team to use the rest of the floor money if they can, but it's also possible that they end up with almost as much floor space as cap space when all is said and done.

[rogcl1]

We'll get him back when he's washed up and is averaging 5 points a game.

[KingKev]

Dedmon could be the tower that an airplane hit.

Horrible joke, sorry.

I actually liked him in his original stint. That bench mob of Simmons, Bertans, DJ, DD were low key fun to watch.

He has nothing to offer us now but religion lol

[scott]

God I love trades.

If I’m understanding this correctly, the Spurs paid the Heat $110,000 and took on the rest of Dedmons salary of $1.67 millions for the year for a 2nd in 2028.

Does $1,780,000 equate to what 2nds are worth?

Because of the circumstances with the Spurs being under the floor, I wouldn't say this puts the value of a SRP at $1.78, since this really only costs the Spurs $110k from a cash perspective.

[heyheymymy]

Yes I was gonna say that era where SA had Dedmon was pretty entertaining

[slick'81]

Guess itll help if poodle or zollins are moved

[spurraider21]

Yes I was gonna say that era where SA had Dedmon was pretty entertaining
was that around same time as simmons too

[buttsR4rebounding]

McDonald is reporting that the Spurs or expected to buy out or waived Dedmon. So no encore performances....

[Leetonidas]

so what is the point of trading $110k for someone only to spend 1.5M or whatever to buy him out? Doing Miami a solid? Unless they use him in another deal I'm not seeing the point of this trade unless the Spurs really wanted a 2nd rounder in the 28 draft

[Mr. Body]

so what is the point of trading $110k for someone only to spend 1.5M or whatever to buy him out? Doing Miami a solid? Unless they use him in another deal I'm not seeing the point of this trade unless the Spurs really wanted a 2nd rounder in the 28 draft

They didn't want a 2nd rounder?

[Leetonidas]

They didn't want a 2nd rounder?

They didn't?

[Degoat]

It’s nice to get the pick and all but being 6 drafts away it’s kinda like mehhh

[Mr. Body]

It’s nice to get the pick and all but being 6 drafts away it’s kinda like mehhh

They got a 2nd round pick for almost literally nothing. I'm not sure it matters when exactly it is.

But... the Spurs have a slew of picks and young players. They don't need another 2nd round right now anyway.

[Leetonidas]

It’s nice to get the pick and all but being 6 drafts away it’s kinda like mehhh

exactly, like cool we got a 2nd rounder, nice. But we also are likely going to end up paying 1.6M for it :lol

But hey, extra pick down the road. assets are assets i guess :tu

[Atl Spur]

Assets are always good to have…… leverage & flexibility bode well!

[JeffDuncan]

was that around same time as simmons too


Yes, indeed. Simmons and Dedmon were on that 2016-17 team that went 61-21, and that ultimately got screwed in the playoffs when Zaza stepped on Kawhi’s foot when the Spurs were up by 20 points. Dammit.

[heyheymymy]

It's the little 2RPs thrown in that end up sweetening sick deals down the line to get the trade done

I am not against stockpiling a draft capital chest

[exstatic]

LOL didn't Dedmond hate Pop's pro-black lessons and shit? :lol

He’ll be released. No player who cussed at Pop will wear the uniform again.

[exstatic]

Weird ass trade lol

It’s a salary dump.

[exstatic]

He’ll be released. No player who cussed at Pop will wear the uniform again.

(Or re-traded, per Chinook’s post)

[Atl Spur]

He’ll be released. No player who cussed at Pop will wear the uniform again.

Nor should they! Respect is the foundation for any meaningful relationship.

[mo7888]

exactly, like cool we got a 2nd rounder, nice. But we also are likely going to end up paying 1.6M for it :lol

But hey, extra pick down the road. assets are assets i guess :tu

We were going to pay that anyway being under the floor..

[Ocotillo]

Second rounders are better to have than not have. Somewhere earlier on the board someone posited the point that some teams have been drafting older kids (juniors/seniors) in the second round who are likely more ready to play but have lower ceilings. With the latest thing being drafting 19 year olds in the lottery, there are some high floor/low ceiling guys to be had later in the draft.

As others have said, they can also be used as trade sweetner.

[Ariel]

so what is the point of trading $110k for someone only to spend 1.5M or whatever to buy him out? Doing Miami a solid? Unless they use him in another deal I'm not seeing the point of this trade unless the Spurs really wanted a 2nd rounder in the 28 draft

exactly, like cool we got a 2nd rounder, nice. But we also are likely going to end up paying 1.6M for it :lol

But hey, extra pick down the road. assets are assets i guess :tu
Being below the salary floor means the Spurs would have had to spend that much salary (and then some 14M extra) anyways (paying him or the rest of the roster). So basically no extra money is spent by taking him in (1.5M would be gone either way). Those extra $110k were necessary because the Spurs had to send something back (players, picks, or money), and that was the minimum amount of cash they could send for the trade to go through.
Basically the Spurs bought a '28 second rounder from Miami, for $110k plus the opportunity cost of using that cap space (meaning that we forfeited the chance of using it on something else that may land us better assets, which I wouldn't count on).

[heyheymymy]

Good point mo7888. Being under the floor, that money was always going out just a matter of getting a 2RP out of it if you throw in an extra 110k?

deal! when you look at it that way.

[RC_Drunkford]

besides that 2 million is about what a 2nd round pick is worth

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[Russ]

besides that 2 million is about what a 2nd round pick is worth

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Perhaps a bit of an overstatement. :)

[Mr. Body]

besides that 2 million is about what a 2nd round pick is worth

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It looks like they actually paid a future 2nd round pick as well as the cash.

[Mr. Body]

besides that 2 million is about what a 2nd round pick is worth

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For shits 'n giggles, these are the players selected with all those picks:

Atlanta got 8, 10, 17, 35: Jaxson Hayes, traded to NOP (multi, De’Andre Hunter), Cam Reddish, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Didi Louzada (both traded in the De'Andre Hunter trade.

Golden State got 28, 41, 58: Jordan Peele, Eric Paschall, Miye Oni

Miami got 44: Bol Bol

[RC_Drunkford]

I think there was another 2nd aquired for 2 million plus a few years back, but I can't find it. Dubs paid 1.3 plus a future 2nd that time.

[Leetonidas]

Being below the salary floor means the Spurs would have had to spend that much salary (and then some 14M extra) anyways (paying him or the rest of the roster). So basically no extra money is spent by taking him in (1.5M would be gone either way). Those extra $110k were necessary because the Spurs had to send something back (players, picks, or money), and that was the minimum amount of cash they could send for the trade to go through.
Basically the Spurs bought a '28 second rounder from Miami, for $110k plus the opportunity cost of using that cap space (meaning that we forfeited the chance of using it on something else that may land us better assets, which I wouldn't count on).

:tu makes sense when you put it that way, thanks for the explanation

[Dex]

It's the little 2RPs thrown in that end up sweetening sick deals down the line to get the trade done

I am not against stockpiling a draft capital chest

Especially if it's just basically a cash deal. Not coming out of my wallet, so if they want to spent 100K or whateve for a 2RP, add it to the war chest.

[TD 21]

I realize some are more casual fans than others, but the fact that trades like this still need to be explained to some is mind boggling.

[Dex]

Anyone remember why he fell out of favor? I remember him having a strong, but then eventually got put in the doghouse, got upset about it, and left

[XDT76]

I realize some are more casual fans than others, but the fact that trades like this still need to be explained to some is mind boggling.

Well quite a lot of NBA fans do not pay attention to the business side of the game. They are only interested in dunks and highlights.

[K...]

Anyone remember why he fell out of favor? I remember him having a strong, but then eventually got put in the doghouse, got upset about it, and left

you have to specify if you mean falling out of miami or SA?

[K...]

i never cared about dedmon. He owes his career to playing with late prime ginobili. Half his salary should go to Argentina

[JPB]

Anyone remember why he fell out of favor? I remember him having a strong, but then eventually got put in the doghouse, got upset about it, and left

Being an angry man or an A-hole as you wish .He put some kind of mini-tantrum or "disrespected" Pop, I believe... Kind of same stuff he did in Miami, I guess.

[Dex]

you have to specify if you mean falling out of miami or SA?

Sorry, talking about falling out in SA.

I found some older articles from like 2016-2017 where Spurs were getting praise for "finding another gem" and he started 37 games...then he went from like 25MPG to like 13MPG and he got replaced in the playoffs and ultimately walked in FA.

In one article he says, "“I don’t know what it was, But, it is what it is.”"

[exstatic]

Sorry, talking about falling out in SA.

I found some older articles from like 2016-2017 where Spurs were getting praise for "finding another gem" and he started 37 games...then he went from like 25MPG to like 13MPG and he got replaced in the playoffs and ultimately walked in FA.

In one article he says, "“I don’t know what it was, But, it is what it is.”"

He cursed at Pop for taking him out of a game, and recently threw a piece of the trainer’s equipment on the court in Miami. Bad ju ju. Anger issues.

[Dex]

He cursed at Pop for taking him out of a game, and recently threw a piece of the trainer’s equipment on the court in Miami. Bad ju ju. Anger issues.

Not just any piece of equipment...a massage gun. Those things aren't cheap OR light, and he cleared like 5 rows of fans/reporters.

Massage guns are awesome though...probably one of my favorite Amazon impulse buys

[BackHome]

I realize some are more casual fans than others, but the fact that trades like this still need to be explained to some is mind boggling.

Lol...If you post here you know which posters know how trades work inside and out always fascinated with the deep knowledge I find when it comes to trades and cap room in this forum.

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He cursed at Pop for taking him out of a game, and recently threw a piece of the trainer’s equipment on the court in Miami. Bad ju ju. Anger issues.

Wonder if there were any special fuck yous to Dedmon by shipping him back to SA. I'm sure lots of teams could have pulled this off this late in the season when he's only owed ~$1.6M in cap hit. Spurs only sending minimum back at $110K. Seems like these two front offices collectively gave Dedmon the BIRD by how they're so business-likw showing him the road, perhaps out of the NBA altogether. Good. Didn't like him anyway. Enjoy China Dewayne.

[cjw]

The Spurs can use Dedmon's contract in subsequent trades immediately, so I wouldn't assume this is all they're going to do with him. Like if the Lakers were willing to trade Russ to the Spurs for pieces, I could see them wanting to take Dedmon as part of that. They need center help too. Miami should be giving the Spurs two seconds, since most of the ones they can trade are twisted tangles of conditions. But all things considered, this isn't that bad.

Given next year is completely unguaranteed, can they trade him BEFORE the new league year (around the draft) to help teams clear salary then too? I know they changed rules on making trade after league year starts for non-guaranteed contracts.

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Lol...If you post here you know which posters know how trades work inside and out always fascinated with the deep knowledge I find when it comes to trades and cap room in this forum.

Not sure why a deep knowledge of trades should matter to fandom to anyone here. Personally speaking, I understand the game quite well from an X and O, scheme, talent, etc. perspective but didn't have a fuckung clue beyond the topical salary cap stuff on the business end. Why? Cause I didn't give a shit to.learn that end then. I've since become way more informed about it but even then, treating the business end of NBA financial transactions as kids play is conceited AF. There are disputes about the specifics on trades or correction tweets from folks that know their shit inside and out amongst NBA insiders. So someone not knowing the league minimum a team had to send back or something specific to this trade just strikes me as normal. Only a few posters here know stuff without getting it wrong occasionally.

[KingKev]

Not just any piece of equipment...a massage gun. Those things aren't cheap OR light, and he cleared like 5 rows of fans/reporters.

Massage guns are awesome though...probably one of my favorite Amazon impulse buys

Ohhh man. Setting yourself up here Dex #impulsebuy #massage #NicePieceOfEquipment #BDE

[Dex]

Ohhh man. Setting yourself up here Dex #impulsebuy #massage #NicePieceOfEquipment #BDE

The wife loves it too :lol

[Chinook]

Given next year is completely unguaranteed, can they trade him BEFORE the new league year (around the draft) to help teams clear salary then too? I know they changed rules on making trade after league year starts for non-guaranteed contracts.

It's very likely the Spurs will have the cap space to trade Dedmon to a team without guaranteeing his contract. They wouldn't be able to use him as a TE unless he was guaranteed, though. You're correct that they changed that rule. I do think Dedmon could be good for a contender at his price. I think LAL would love him with that option value built into his contract.

[Mr. Body]

It's very likely the Spurs will have the cap space to trade Dedmon to a team without guaranteeing his contract. They wouldn't be able to use him as a TE unless he was guaranteed, though. You're correct that they changed that rule. I do think Dedmon could be good for a contender at his price. I think LAL would love him with that option value built into his contract.

Maybe they can pretend to trade Poeltl but put Dedmon in the box instead.

[JPB]

Not sure why a deep knowledge of trades should matter to fandom to anyone here. Personally speaking, I understand the game quite well from an X and O, scheme, talent, etc. perspective but didn't have a fuckung clue beyond the topical salary cap stuff on the business end. Why? Cause I didn't give a shit to.learn that end then. I've since become way more informed about it but even then, treating the business end of NBA financial transactions as kids play is conceited AF. There are disputes about the specifics on trades or correction tweets from folks that know their shit inside and out amongst NBA insiders. So someone not knowing the league minimum a team had to send back or something specific to this trade just strikes me as normal. Only a few posters here know stuff without getting it wrong occasionally.

I get your point, to each their own and no need to be a cap guru to be considered a fan, but there's another part to the game, the managment, some fans like digging in to dissert and elaborate about cap and trades, playing virtual GMs and strategy games for the "intellectual" par of it and probably a bit to play your smart ass... That's just two different experiences. I wouldn't call me an expert, far from it, but that strategy part can be "stimulating" when you try to imagine or guess the next moves within the confines of the NBA rules. And when you guess right... Yeah, I'm validated!

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I get your point, to each their own and no need to be a cap guru to be considered a fan, but there's another part to the game, the managment, some fans like digging in to dissert and elaborate about cap and trades, playing virtual GMs and strategy games for the "intellectual" par of it and probably a bit to play your smart ass... That's just two different experiences. I wouldn't call me an expert, far from it, but that strategy part can be "stimulating" when you try to imagine or guess the next moves within the confines of the NBA rules. And you guess right... Yeah, Im' validated!

Don't get me wrong, I beat my chest routinely when I turn out to be right about someone's skills translated to the court. And were I deeply informed on the business end and nailed the finances of a trade or whatever I'd beat my chest for that too.

I just think of those of you that do know the ins and outs of it, even you guys routinely have to check each other because of some clause here or there. It's like fucking differential equations and rocket science had a baby when they developed the NBA business end. I see correction tweets from Shams and Woj. And you guys check each other.

It's a rabbit hole and kudos to those on this board that keep the rest of us fairly informed. It's much appreciated from my perspective.

Just don't necessarily get the shade being thrown about having to explain this trade TD 21 to the anyone on the board not knowing the very complex rules that guided it.

[Chinook]

Maybe they can pretend to trade Poeltl but put Dedmon in the box instead.

If you're putting Dedmon in anything, I'd think it'd be a Jamaican casket.

[JPB]

If you're putting Dedmon in anything, I'd think it'd be a Jamaican casket.

Or a straitjacket.

[tonight...you]

Not just any piece of equipment...a massage gun. Those things aren't cheap OR light, and he cleared like 5 rows of fans/reporters.

Massage guns are awesome though...probably one of my favorite Amazon impulse buys
Really?
My wife dances pro and semi-pro Salsa and Tango and she gets ridiculous knots in her shoulders.
She just won't go to a massage therapist so I've bought her all sorts of massage machines and they're OK, but nothing that fixes her.

Would you recommend this for her issues?

I've always thought of them as some sort of gimmick.

[KingKev]

Really?
My wife dances pro and semi-pro Salsa and Tango and she gets ridiculous knots in her shoulders.
She just won't go to a massage therapist so I've bought her all sorts of massage machines and they're OK, but nothing that fixes her.

Would you recommend this for her issues?

I've always thought of them as some sort of gimmick.

Some things are best left for the DM!!!!

[tonight...you]

Some things are best left for the DM!!!!
Lol. You perv!
Ha ha ha!

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Spoelstra: Hey Pop, I need help getting Dedmon out of the Association.

Pop:
https://media.tenor.com/b2VkoMV4hrYAAAAC/tombstone-im-your-huckleberry.gif

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Spoelstra: Hey Pop, I need help getting Dedmon out of the Association.

Pop:
https://media.tenor.com/b2VkoMV4hrYAAAAC/tombstone-im-your-huckleberry.gif

This is precisely how it went down in my head.

[Uriel]

Surprised no one in this thread has brought up the old Deadman nickname yet.

[JeffDuncan]

The reason the Heat dealt Dedmon to the Spurs was to get an open roster spot and cap space quickly - QUICKLY - giving the Heat a little more time to try to arrange other deals, like a trade to move Lowry, for example, before the deadline.

A quick deal, leaving more time for other possible deals. It’s that simple.

The Spurs were the only game in town for a quick, easy deal using floor space. The Pacers might have done it, I think, but they gave Turner a new deal a week ago, which took them out of the picture.

Nobody else has floor space.

[Mr. Body]

The reason the Heat dealt Dedmon to the Spurs was to get an open roster spot and cap space quickly - QUICKLY - giving the Heat a little more time to try to arrange other deals, like a trade to move Lowry, for example, before the deadline.

A quick deal, leaving more time for other possible deals. It’s that simple.

The Spurs were the only game in town for a quick, easy deal using floor space. The Pacers might have done it, I think, but they gave Turner a new deal a week ago, which took them out of the picture.

Nobody else has floor space.

It helps the Spurs, too, getting it done this quickly -- they can still flip Dedmon in some way.

[Dex]

Really?
My wife dances pro and semi-pro Salsa and Tango and she gets ridiculous knots in her shoulders.
She just won't go to a massage therapist so I've bought her all sorts of massage machines and they're OK, but nothing that fixes her.

Would you recommend this for her issues?

I've always thought of them as some sort of gimmick.

I got a mid-priced one (like $100), but they can run into the hundreds. Can't imagine how much a professional one runs.

Great for sore muscles, working out kinks, etc. We've found it especially helpful for legs, back, and shoulder pain and/or soreness and just general relief. Also, relatively easy to figure out and use

10/10, would recommend

[JeffDuncan]

It helps the Spurs, too, getting it done this quickly -- they can still flip Dedmon in some way.


True, there’s still a full working day, tomorrow, before the deadline at 2pm (our time) Thursday. Enough time for something to happen.

Dedmon still has some go power, it appears, altho maybe not a lot. He’s 33 now, and the most he’s played this season is 16 minutes. Miami didn’t find much use for him, but his stats aren’t terrible, and his PER is actually a little better than the average player at 15.7, surprisingly. He’s too old for the Spurs (if the Spurs want an old center they’ve got Dieng on speed dial,) but he could be useful to some teams as a backup.

The Spurs will probably just pay Dedmon the rest of his contract money, and let him go. But with all the teams in the league scrambling to make deals, ya never know.

[timtonymanu]

At one point I thought Dedmon was the next starting C for the Spurs. Pop even gave him that opportunity. The guy is just too much of a headcase though, and looks like it didn't change in Miami.

[jermaine]

I'm surprised we took him after everything that has happened with him. Especially after throwing the thing onto the court.

[Maddog]

I'm surprised we took him after everything that has happened with him. Especially after throwing the thing onto the court.

I suspect he'll never suit up- either part of another package or bought out
Dead man walking

[tonight...you]

I got a mid-priced one (like $100), but they can run into the hundreds. Can't imagine how much a professional one runs.

Great for sore muscles, working out kinks, etc. We've found it especially helpful for legs, back, and shoulder pain and/or soreness and just general relief. Also, relatively easy to figure out and use

10/10, would recommend
Looks like I now know what I'm getting her for Valentine's Day.
Mucho appreciatado!

[JPB]

Looks like I now know what I'm getting her for Valentine's Day.
Mucho appreciatado!

There, I have the search results for ya:

https://www.amazon.com/vibrator/s?k=vibrator

[tonight...you]

There, I have the search results for ya:

https://www.amazon.com/vibrator/s?k=vibrator
Ha ha ha! What tha...

[tmtcsc]

LOL didn't Dedmond hate Pop's pro-black lessons and shit? :lol

No, I believe that was me

[JeffDuncan]

I'm surprised we took him after everything that has happened with him. Especially after throwing the thing onto the court.


Take him? What we took was the draft pick.

[wildbill2u]

Dedmon walking!

[cd98]

It'll be sad that we all had dreams of trade deadline gifts of first round picks and this will be the only thing that happens.

[TD 21]

Just don't necessarily get the shade being thrown about having to explain this trade TD 21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17781) to the anyone on the board not knowing the very complex rules that guided it.

I didn't mean it in that way, just in the sense of people wondering why they did this or thinking this has any bearing on Poeltl or that Dedmon will be retained period.

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I didn't mean it in that way, just in the sense of people wondering why they did this or thinking this has any bearing on Poeltl or that Dedmon will be retained period.

Fair enough. Appreciate the clarification.

[poopbox]

I'm surprised we took him after everything that has happened with him. Especially after throwing the thing onto the court.

Never pulled his dick out though and got the team sued...

[CGD]

Never pulled his dick out though and got the team sued...

Waived. Time to close this short chapter.

[poopbox]

Waived. Time to close this short chapter.
:cry and he didn't even get us in a lawsuit before he left
:cry did the dedmon the dead man never care about us at all
:cry i'm surprised we didn't ask him what team he wanted to play for and send him on a 1st class flight to the city like we do for every other player we have