Article: Initial Thoughts on Jakob Poeltl Trade

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/thoughts-intel-spurs-trade-jakob-poeltl-raptors/

[Ariel]

Was this a good trade for the Spurs? Before we can answer that, more details of this trade need to be made public. What kind of protections are on the 2024 first round pick? Did the Spurs receive the Raptors 2023 second round pick that would currently be the 39th pick of the draft?
Basically this. So far it's impossible to say anything. May be a good trade if the pick's protection are moderately light (say 8-8-4), or disastrous if it's lottery protected and quickly turns into 2nds.
The 2nd rounder can't be '24 (belongs to Memphis), ideally it'd be '23 and '25. Nonetheless, 2nd rounders (except very good ones, say in the 31-35 range) are almost worthless, so unless it's the '23 2nd it seems more like a throw in where they pretend to cave in without really doing so, so that the Spurs can save face.
If there was a deal on the table with Boston for Pritchard, Gallo and Boston's upgrade to '28 unprotected, depending on the protections of Toronto's '24 it may have been preferable. Sure, it's the worse of the 2 '28 picks we'd be getting, but it'd be unprotected, meaning if both teams such by then (no guarantees ever) you'd still be getting a good pick, whereas a highly protected '24 pick puts a definite cap on its ceiling. Let's wait and see, but I really hope they learned the lesson from the Charlotte pick. Also, Pritchard is actually a young (25) backup PG who shoots well from 3, we could have made room for and flipped later, unlike Birch who's trash.
I'll hold judgement until we know the details, could fall either way.

[Rummpd]

Just a bad FO doing a bad trade or move (or often non-move) is more likely than not. On the other hand at least this year they did something.

[JPB]

Just a bad FO doing a bad trade or move (or often non-move) is more likely than not. On the other hand at least this year they did something.

If that's the only real offer you could get and Poeltl wans't renewing, then at least you get something... Fans or Spurstalk don't dictate the market, the demand for Jak wasn't very high and Spurs were never getting 2 FRPs for Poeltl.

(some) people are disappointed because their expectations were unrealistic. Only stars eventually get you good return, not role players.

[Mr. Body]

I like that they combined getting return with delivering him to the place he wanted. That means something.

[KingKev]

I hope the protections will be something along the lines of 10, 8, 8, 2SRPs but that may be wishful thinking. The Raps and Spurs have alot of goodwill and respect for each-other but realistically nobody was giving much for the opportunity to pay Jak 70-80m over 4 years.

Also, Khem Birch is fking trash and required two SRPs to take on that deal. He won’t be a buyout candidate but could be a useful contract in subsequent deals.

[John B]

The Spurs always do good for their players, and that’s always their weakness tbh.

[John B]

So now we have as back C’s, Dieng, Dedmon and Birch. Good grief :lol:lol

[KingKev]

So now we have as back C’s, Dieng, Dedmon and Birch. Good grief :lol:lol

Dieng isn’t on the team.

[Mr. Body]

And Dedmon isn't coming back.

[Ariel]

So now we have as back C’s, Dieng, Dedmon and Birch. Good grief :lol:lol
Dieng was waived when the Vonleh trade happened, and was then brought back on a 10 day contract. Dedmon will either be flipped today, or waived. I don't know about Birch, but since he's guaranteed next season, they may keep him and flip him as an expiring afterwards.

[JeffDuncan]

So now we have as back C’s, Dieng, Dedmon and Birch. Good grief :lol:lol


For this season, Tre Jones is fine as the backup center. :lol

There’s the summer to sort it out, after we know the draft results.

[poopbox]

We were never getting 2 1st for Poeltl, he isn't good enough for that.

All we were every getting for him was a protected 1st. Anything more than that is gravy.

Him not being here is also great, because he sucks, was going to command a high salary, and we are tanking. We don't need to be in the business of resigning a center for above market value for his skillset why we actively try to lose games.

Hopefully next year we do the same thing with Keldon. No point in paying a streaky 3 point shooter 20 mil a year when you trying to lose.

[The Truth #6]

Probably lucky we got anything for him considering he’s going to be a free agent in about 25 games.

[RC_Drunkford]

if we got the Raptors 2023 2nd round pick, is there a chance we might be able to flip that one and/or our 2nd rounder into a late first rounder by moving J-Rich?

[Dex]

I'll reserve judgement until we get full details, but at a glance the return seems a bit underwhelming.

On one hand, Jak was going to become a free-agent this summer and I don't know if it made a lot of sense to pour more money into him. I like him as a player, but don't really see him as a centerpiece for the Spurs returning to a contending status. In that sense, it's better to get something than nothing.

On the other, it's still hard for me to take off my "Kawhi trade" glasses...where we have now basically traded Kawhi for a stack of picks which became what...Johnson, Branham, Wesley, and whatever we get in this trade?

Obviously a lot still has to shake out and it's good to see the Spurs stockpiling picks while also shooting for a top draft pick.

[Ariel]

Probably lucky we got anything for him considering he’s going to be a free agent in about 25 games.
Nah, he'd still land us a first via a S&T. But it's the bird in hand kind of thing... why risk it?

[SpurSpike]

Seems you are semi ok with this trade simply because of the horrid trades that almost happened, lol.

[Mr. Body]

I'll reserve judgement until we get full details, but at a glance the return seems a bit underwhelming.

On one hand, Jak was going to become a free-agent this summer and I don't know if it made a lot of sense to pour more money into him. I like him as a player, but don't really see him as a centerpiece for the Spurs returning to a contending status. In that sense, it's better to get something than nothing.

On the other, it's still hard for me to take off my "Kawhi trade" glasses...where we have now basically traded Kawhi for a stack of picks which became what...Johnson, Branham, Wesley, and whatever we get in this trade?

Obviously a lot still has to shake out and it's good to see the Spurs stockpiling picks while also shooting for a top draft pick.

I mean, Kawhi totally fucked the franchise by killing his own trade value. We should probably let that be in the rearview.

The Spurs did get some years of DeRozan, which shouldn't be discounted (cue the usual wags about not tanking), and Keldon will probably be moved fairly soon.

There's also intangible value in moving Poeltl to a preferred destination. And maintaining good relations with a franchise. Those things actually do matter, even if the keyboard kommandos here don't want to believe it.

[Ariel]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-kevin-durant-mikal-bridges-jae-crowder-og-anunoby-knicks-raptors-grizzlies/
Toronto’s 2024 first-round pick is protected No. 1-6 in 2024, 2025, and 2026, and the Raptors sent unprotected 2023 and 2025 second-round picks as part of the trade to acquire Poeltl from the Spurs, HoopsHype has learned

[KingKev]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-kevin-durant-mikal-bridges-jae-crowder-og-anunoby-knicks-raptors-grizzlies/
Toronto’s 2024 first-round pick is protected No. 1-6 in 2024, 2025, and 2026, and the Raptors sent unprotected 2023 and 2025 second-round picks as part of the trade to acquire Poeltl from the Spurs, HoopsHype has learned

Pretty solid!!!

Raps have chosen a direction. GTJ, FVV and OG are probably the best assets left on the market.

[Mr. Body]

That's better than I expected.

[Texas_Ranger]

fair deal, Spurs got shit for a shit player... Thank god we finally got rid of all these losers (Murray, White, Walker, Primo, Poeltl). Future should be bright, if the Spurs FO decides not being one of the worst in the nba.

[timvp]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-kevin-durant-mikal-bridges-jae-crowder-og-anunoby-knicks-raptors-grizzlies/
Toronto’s 2024 first-round pick is protected No. 1-6 in 2024, 2025, and 2026, and the Raptors sent unprotected 2023 and 2025 second-round picks as part of the trade to acquire Poeltl from the Spurs, HoopsHype has learned

Nice :tu

[Ariel]

May be a good trade if the pick's protection are moderately light (say 8-8-4)

The 2nd rounder can't be '24 (belongs to Memphis), ideally it'd be '23 and '25.
This was pretty close to the best possible scenario I envisioned.

[timvp]

That's like best case scenario. I was thinking Top 8 would be good. Top 6 for three years? And the 2023 second? Really good. Better than what Utah got in their trade somehow.

[The Truth #6]

That first should convey.

[Mr. Body]

This gives the Spurs (right now) the 33 and 39 in the SR this year.

I think they have 3 SRPs in 2025, including Chicago.

I think they also have 3 FRPs in 2025?? (If CHI confers.)

[The Truth #6]

Any word if Bolano is going to be included and if this trade passes muster, etc.?

[BacktoBasics]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-kevin-durant-mikal-bridges-jae-crowder-og-anunoby-knicks-raptors-grizzlies/
Toronto’s 2024 first-round pick is protected No. 1-6 in 2024, 2025, and 2026, and the Raptors sent unprotected 2023 and 2025 second-round picks as part of the trade to acquire Poeltl from the Spurs, HoopsHype has learned

This is a good deal. Shooting for 2frp and getting a lightly protected 1st is great.

Highly likely to convey.

Raps have a solid team. But they’re not going to contend with that roster.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

This is a good deal. Shooting for 2frp and getting a lightly protected 1st is great.

Highly likely to convey.

Raps have a solid team. But they’re not going to contend with that roster.

Yeah Raptors have a lot of work and decisions to make with that roster, because Poeltl, Trent and FVV are going to be free agents and expecting to get paid. They'd go way above the tax if they keep everyone, so they'll have to make a lot of moves.

Also, OG Anunoby seems to be on the block for a picks package. Their roster might be very different in the next couple of years.

[Leetonidas]

That's like best case scenario. I was thinking Top 8 would be good. Top 6 for three years? And the 2023 second? Really good. Better than what Utah got in their trade somehow.

Any idea since last night whether or not this trade is being expanded to include anyone else from TOR or is this pretty much it?

[timvp]

Any idea since last night whether or not this trade is being expanded to include anyone else from TOR or is this pretty much it?

Last I heard, it depends on what else the Raptors do today.

[timvp]

Highly likely to convey.


There's like a 99.999% chance the pick conveys.

[duncan2150]

Last I heard, it depends on what else the Raptors do today.

In this Poeltl trade they need to add more salary to match Poeltl 9.3 Millins no ?

[Leetonidas]

In this Poeltl trade they need to add more salary to match Poeltl 9.3 Millins no ?

iirc Spurs being so far under the cap means they don't necessarily need to match incoming salary to make it work

[timvp]

In this Poeltl trade they need to add more salary to match Poeltl 9.3 Millins no ?

If I heard correctly, it depend on if the Raptors are in the lux tax. I haven't looked at their cap situation though.

[BacktoBasics]

There's like a 99.999% chance the pick conveys.

Even in a situation that isn’t ideal. Like the pick falling in the 14-19 range.

Extremely tradable pick that could be packaged up into all sorts of interesting combinations.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If I heard correctly, it depend on if the Raptors are in the lux tax. I haven't looked at their cap situation though.

Poeltl for Khem straight up pushes them over the tax, which violates the 125%+100k rule, so they'll need to make more moves, which they probably will - Trent, OG, etc. Or send Banton/Flynn/Koloko/Juancho to the Spurs.

[Kirbyk21]

Read all the time but post infrequently…

so if I have this right in the end we got the following for Kawhi:

Not including some good memories of Demar / Poeltl


Keldon Johnson
Branham
Raptors 24 1st
Bulls 25 1st
Future second from the Griz (I think we got a second round pick in 22 from one of the dang trades we made)
Two unprotected second round picks from Raptors

Am I missing anything?

[Mr. Body]

Poeltl for Khem straight up pushes them over the tax, which violates the 125%+100k rule, so they'll need to make more moves, which they probably will - Trent, OG, etc. Or send Banton/Flynn/Koloko/Juancho to the Spurs.

Henangomez to the Spurs for a second time.

[JPB]

if we got the Raptors 2023 2nd round pick, is there a chance we might be able to flip that one and/or our 2nd rounder into a late first rounder by moving J-Rich?

That doesn't sound unrealistic. Remains to be seen if there's an opportunity for that.

[MultiTroll]

https://www.spurstalk.com/thoughts-intel-spurs-trade-jakob-poeltl-raptors/
Do you think with the Spurs FO savvy they could land another Dougie McDermott or Bryn Forbes?

[duncan2150]

iirc Spurs being so far under the cap means they don't necessarily need to match incoming salary to make it work

In case if it's the Spurs who add the biggest part of the salaries but i think in this situation you need like 15% difference between team A and team B salaries.

Maybe i'm wrong

[duncan2150]

Poeltl for Khem straight up pushes them over the tax, which violates the 125%+100k rule, so they'll need to make more moves, which they probably will - Trent, OG, etc. Or send Banton/Flynn/Koloko/Juancho to the Spurs.

thanks that's what i'm talking about

[Leetonidas]

In case if it's the Spurs who add the biggest part of the salaries but i think in this situation you need like 15% difference between team A and team B salaries.

Maybe i'm wrong

Ah, gotcha. Thanks :tu

[rjv]

https://www.spurstalk.com/thoughts-intel-spurs-trade-jakob-poeltl-raptors/

why wait for any details? it's always more fun to let our own ST versions of woj and shams fill in the blanks.

[timvp]

Poeltl for Khem straight up pushes them over the tax, which violates the 125%+100k rule, so they'll need to make more moves, which they probably will - Trent, OG, etc. Or send Banton/Flynn/Koloko/Juancho to the Spurs.
Yeah, this tracks with what I heard. I'm on the phone currently so haven't been able to dig in further.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Not a bad trade.

[JPB]

One (99.99% conveyed) FRP and 3 SRPs (MIA trade + TOR trade) while losing a role player who was probably gone in 3 months is pretty good business so far.

[heyheymymy]

Read all the time but post infrequently…

so if I have this right in the end we got the following for Kawhi:

Not including some good memories of Demar / Poeltl


Keldon Johnson
Branham
Raptors 24 1st
Bulls 25 1st
Future second from the Griz (I think we got a second round pick in 22 from one of the dang trades we made)
Two unprotected second round picks from Raptors

Am I missing anything?

Good idea - was saying earlier moving Poeltl means we have to update the trade cascade for Kawhi

I think Bran came from Thad's trade however

[Mr. Body]

Good idea - was saying earlier moving Poeltl means we have to update the trade cascade for Kawhi

I think Bran came from Thad's trade however

The Thad trade came from the DDR trade.

[heyheymymy]

TOR:

Kawhi Leonard
Danny Green

SA:

2019 FRP (Keldon Johnson) + Demar Derozan > 2025 CHI FRP (1-10 protect) + 2022 CHI 2RP (K. Chandler > 2024 LAL 2RP via MEM) + 2025 CHI 2RP + Aminu (waived) + Thad Young > Dragic (waived) + 2022 TOR FRP (Branham)

Jacob Poeltl > Khem Birch + 2024 FRP (1-6 protect) + 2023 2RP + 2025 2RP

pretty sweet hustle from Leonard. Please fact check for me.

[heyheymymy]

Good call mr body

just researched the cascade and forgot about Bran via Thad being part of all these twists and turns originating out of Leonards trade

[heyheymymy]

added the 2024 2RP deal for K. Chandler to the cascade record

[Russ]

Read all the time but post infrequently…

so if I have this right in the end we got the following for Kawhi:

Not including some good memories of Demar / Poeltl


Keldon Johnson
Branham
Raptors 24 1st
Bulls 25 1st
Future second from the Griz (I think we got a second round pick in 22 from one of the dang trades we made)
Two unprotected second round picks from Raptors

Am I missing anything?

You can go back even father and say all of that came from George Hill (a late 1st Round pick 15 years ago).

[Seventyniner]

For the record, I think the whole "Number Two cascade list" is just post hoc rationalization for taking a mediocre deal a few years ago. Every deal since then should be evaluated on its own.

[heyheymymy]

Leonard trade cascade is more about subtle admiration of the front office for best rolling out of a poor leveraged lose-lose situation so it's inherently going to be some rose-tinted glasses for sure lol

[slick'81]

Not a bad haul. Definitely better then nothing

[exstatic]

Good idea - was saying earlier moving Poeltl means we have to update the trade cascade for Kawhi

I think Bran came from Thad's trade however

Thad came from the Derozan trade, which makes it from the Kawhi trade.

[heyheymymy]

Thanks ex - updated on my trade cascade list a few posts above

Leonard brought a river for better or worse. Was tough to remember all the tributaries lol

[Ariel]

Poeltl for Khem straight up pushes them over the tax, which violates the 125%+100k rule, so they'll need to make more moves, which they probably will - Trent, OG, etc. Or send Banton/Flynn/Koloko/Juancho to the Spurs.
Koloko has positive value, likely late first kind. So he's not going to be a throw in for salary purposes. Flynn / Hernangomez sounds more like it.

[exstatic]

You can go back even father and say all of that came from George Hill (a late 1st Round pick 15 years ago).

Yup. That one pick yielded almost as many WSs as Manu’s career, and we still have rookie Malaki, 2 remaining FRPs, plus whatever Keldon could bring in a potential trade.

[JPB]

You can go back even father and say all of that came from George Hill (a late 1st Round pick 15 years ago).

Always knew Kirby was your son.

[CGD]

TOR:

Kawhi Leonard
Danny Green

SA:

2019 FRP (Keldon Johnson) + Demar Derozan > 2025 CHI FRP (1-10 protect) + 2022 CHI 2RP (K. Chandler > 2024 LAL 2RP via MEM) + 2025 CHI 2RP + Aminu (waived) + Thad Young > Dragic (waived) + 2022 TOR FRP (Branham)

Jacob Poeltl > Khem Birch + 2024 FRP (1-6 protect) + 2023 2RP + 2025 2RP

pretty sweet hustle from Leonard. Please fact check for me.

Thank you GEORGE HILL

[rjv]

that raptors pick is only top 6 protected from 2024-2026

[rascal]

TOR:

Kawhi Leonard
Danny Green

SA:

2019 FRP (Keldon Johnson) + Demar Derozan > 2025 CHI FRP (1-10 protect) + 2022 CHI 2RP (K. Chandler > 2024 LAL 2RP via MEM) + 2025 CHI 2RP + Aminu (waived) + Thad Young > Dragic (waived) + 2022 TOR FRP (Branham)

Jacob Poeltl > Khem Birch + 2024 FRP (1-6 protect) + 2023 2RP + 2025 2RP

pretty sweet hustle from Leonard. Please fact check for me.

Not until they land a player close in value to Leonard. Quantity does not equal Quality.
Leonard brought a title to Toronto so that was a great trade for them.

[heyheymymy]

Thank you GEORGE HILL
oooey pooey

[heyheymymy]

Not until they land a player close in value to Leonard. Quantity does not equal Quality.
Leonard brought a title to Toronto so that was a great trade for them.

Agreed actually. All that trade cascade is just a silver lining to the black cloud of the Leonard situation

[couchman]

The Spurs could potentially have 7 First Round Picks in the next three drafts and 2025 could be insane if things go our way.

2023 - Spurs
2024 - Spurs and Raptors
2025 - Spurs, Hawks, Bulls, Hornets

I know the Hornets' pick might never convey, but I think they have to start winning by 2024-25 if they want to keep Ball.

[exstatic]

The Spurs could potentially have 7 First Round Picks in the next three drafts and 2025 could be insane if things go our way.

2023 - Spurs
2024 - Spurs and Raptors
2025 - Spurs, Hawks, Bulls, Hornets

I know the Hornets' pick might never convey, but I think they have to start winning by 2024-25 if they want to keep Ball.

Yup. CHA can’t tank three years in a row if they hope to keep LaMelo.

[Mr. Body]

Charlotte needs to actually take a player who can contribute this draft. Watch them take a Thompson twin.

[Russ]

Charlotte needs to actually take a player who can contribute this draft. Watch them take a Thompson twin.

Amen.

[NickiRasgo]

Deal quite underwhelming at first but it does make sense now esp. if only the Raptors is the only team willing to give more than one (1) pick - I know the FRP is protected and the remaining picks are only SRP but can't force any team to give more what the Spurs wanted so they took what they think is the best package esp. Jakob and his camp are vocal that they will test the market and there's a chance he won't re-sign with the Spurs so better than nothing.
Props to the Spurs as well asking and granting Jakob's preferred destination tho to be fair, it's not like Jakob has been a hardcase for the Spurs when he's with the team so all good from both ends.

P.S. - I believe Jakob is very close to Pascal so maybe there's a big chance that he'll sign with the Raptors come off-season.

[timvp]

Amen.

Ausar what you did there.

[DPG21920]

Hmmmmm……

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[timvp]

Hmmmmm……

1623739083297005573

Yeah, looks like there was a discrepancy regarding whether or not this trade made the Raptors a tax playing team. I don't know if Toronto did some sort of salary cap gymnastics behind the scenes but it now sounds like they are below the tax -- even without adding anyone to the trade. I wasn't following their cap space closely enough prior to the trade to know what has changed, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, looks like there was a discrepancy regarding whether or not this trade made the Raptors a tax playing team. I don't know if Toronto did some sort of salary cap gymnastics behind the scenes but it now sounds like they are below the tax -- even without adding anyone to the trade. I wasn't following their cap space closely enough prior to the trade to know what has changed, tbh.

IDGAF about any other player to SA lol- just want that pick protection confirmed by more than one person. Have not seen a single other source on it - kind of scary

[timvp]

And, yeah, I can also confirm that the trade is officially official. It's actually the first official trade in the NBA since the Kyrie trade.

[NickiRasgo]

TOR:

Kawhi Leonard
Danny Green

SA:

2019 FRP (Keldon Johnson) + Demar Derozan > 2025 CHI FRP (1-10 protect) + 2022 CHI 2RP (K. Chandler > 2024 LAL 2RP via MEM) + 2025 CHI 2RP + Aminu (waived) + Thad Young > Dragic (waived) + 2022 TOR FRP (Branham)

Jacob Poeltl > Khem Birch + 2024 FRP (1-6 protect) + 2023 2RP + 2025 2RP

pretty sweet hustle from Leonard. Please fact check for me.

I know OT but Jazz literally robbed Nuggets by getting Mitchell and Gobert for a bag of chips. Just curious what does it looks like to something like this.

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[JeffDuncan]

TOR:

Kawhi Leonard
Danny Green

SA:

2019 FRP (Keldon Johnson) + Demar Derozan > 2025 CHI FRP (1-10 protect) + 2022 CHI 2RP (K. Chandler > 2024 LAL 2RP via MEM) + 2025 CHI 2RP + Aminu (waived) + Thad Young > Dragic (waived) + 2022 TOR FRP (Branham)

Jacob Poeltl > Khem Birch + 2024 FRP (1-6 protect) + 2023 2RP + 2025 2RP

pretty sweet hustle from Leonard. Please fact check for me.


If you want to be mean, you could include what the Raps got when Leonard left them. Nobody.

[KingKev]

If you want to be mean, you could include what the Raps got when Leonard left them. Nobody.

okay but hear me out imagine winning a championship?!?

[cjw]

Thank you GEORGE HILL

Trade should really read George Hill going out, and DeMarre Carroll coming in…

[CGD]

TOR:

Kawhi Leonard
Danny Green

SA:

2019 FRP (Keldon Johnson) + Demar Derozan > 2025 CHI FRP (1-10 protect) + 2022 CHI 2RP (K. Chandler > 2024 LAL 2RP via MEM) + 2025 CHI 2RP + Aminu (waived) + Thad Young > Dragic (waived) + 2022 TOR FRP (Branham)

Jacob Poeltl > Khem Birch + 2024 FRP (1-6 protect) + 2023 2RP + 2025 2RP

pretty sweet hustle from Leonard. Please fact check for me.

You can probably also expand the Derrick White trade now too after the Richardson deal

[spurraider21]

You can probably also expand the Derrick White trade now too after the Richardson deal
as an aside, white's probably having his best stretch as a celtic right now

[XDT76]

The Spurs could potentially have 7 First Round Picks in the next three drafts and 2025 could be insane if things go our way.

2023 - Spurs
2024 - Spurs and Raptors
2025 - Spurs, Hawks, Bulls, Hornets

I know the Hornets' pick might never convey, but I think they have to start winning by 2024-25 if they want to keep Ball.

With the SRPs add in we can have a full rosters of players all on rookie contract in 25-26

[Goob]

I loved Jakob to be honest. I thought he was a real force out there when he wanted to be and I wanted him here as part of the rebuild. I understand we are all about stockpiling draft picks right now, but wish someone else had been the bargaining chip of you will.

[tbdog]

What's interesting is that the spurs can actually resign him for next season. Just saying, if the Spurs say get Victor and need a center, you so would overpay him to compliment the fit.

[spurraider21]

What's interesting is that the spurs can actually resign him for next season. Just saying, if the Spurs say get Victor and need a center, you so would overpay him to compliment the fit.
raptors didnt trade for him if they werent planning on using his bird rights and paying enough to keep him

[KingKev]

raptors didnt trade for him if they werent planning on using his bird rights and paying enough to keep him

Agreed but I’m also thinking his value might be less than previously anticipated. Will be interesting to see how he plays in TO down the stretch.

I’m just happy the temptation to give him 4yrs/80mm has largely been removed.

[Atl Spur]

Maasai has given up just 4 first round picks up in 10yrs ( 3 to the spurs )…… good work Patfo

[John B]

Dieng isn’t on the team.

You were saying?? :lol

[tbdog]

raptors didnt trade for him if they werent planning on using his bird rights and paying enough to keep him

Yes. And but that doesn't stop any team with cap space to make an offer. But usually how business works, Poeltl agent has already agreed to a number.

[spurraider21]

Yes. And but that doesn't stop any team with cap space to make an offer. But usually how business works, Poeltl agent has already agreed to a number.
jak wanted to go to the raptors when the spurs asked him. and raps also have the ability to pay more or add more years than anyone else. he's staying.

[JeffDuncan]

Poeltl and Siakam are BFF. When Poeltl was there he and Siakam were roomies in the hotel on the road. By the way.

[spurraider21]

:lmao raptors got outscored by 19th in the 4th to allow a Utah comeback win

good for det 2nd rounder

[XDT76]

:lmao raptors got outscored by 19th in the 4th to allow a Utah comeback win

good for det 2nd rounder

I am also rooting against them for a better SRP for us. Poeltl is doing us favors, his FT% goes down south again.

[RC_Drunkford]

jak wanted to go to the raptors when the spurs asked him. and raps also have the ability to pay more or add more years than anyone else. he's staying.

Poeltl asked for a trade!!!! I'm glad this cancer is gone!!!

[tbdog]

Poeltl asked for a trade!!!! I'm glad this cancer is gone!!!

Creating losing teams and players will ask out.