Final Intel as NBA Trade Deadline Approaches

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-insider-info-nba-trade-deadline/

[Kirbyk21]

Great Intel! Thanks TimVP.

[CGD]

Thanks. My go to team for salary dumping was PHX, but now that they've traded all their picks I'm less interested. Who else might need out space?

[Mal]

I think sticking with 1st or bust is good way to go. Are 2nd round picks at this amount even reasonable ? You have to select a player, and then find him roster spot.

[Mal]

Thanks. My go to team for salary dumping was PHX, but now that they've traded all their picks I'm less interested. Who else might need out space?

Cap space or avoiding/lowering luxury tax

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Not that often we can say something like this, but Woj is wrong :lol Spurs currently have 12 future firsts, not 13. Unless he knows something we don't lol

All 7 of their own firsts.
Cha '23
Tor '24
Chi '25
Atl '25
Atl '27

+2 swaps.

[rjv]

looking forward to the spurs liquidation sale today.

[Mr. Body]

Seems like the biggest clumps:

1. Josh Richardson. Want to get a FRP. Who do they combine him with? Him with McDermott is a lot of salary. Don't see much else on the roster people would want. I see a Thad Young-style SRP swap for a late FRP. This might be highly attractive to many teams.

2. Cap space. As things fall out closer to the deadline, teams may really be desperate to get out of the tax, esp. repeaters. Could be a lot of value there.

3. I would be very surprised to see Zach Collins traded. What would it take for the SAS to budge? Right now his value seems higher on the team than what anyone is willing to offer.

And...

4. Great intel on Bassey. I assumed he was really hurt, but if they were keeping him out due to playing time restrictions, kudos to them. I just want somebody inside for the rest of the season. Losing games is one thing, losing games without any structure is another. It doesn't help anyone.

[The Truth #6]

They definitely cannot give in and trade Josh for a second round pick, otherwise teams will know we are always bluffing, and do we really need that many more second round picks anyway?

[heyheymymy]

Really feels like Spurs have a gameplan

Everything has felt methodical and deliberate

Also feels like it's mounting up to more moves - deadline is today at 2pm CST

[Ariel]

Thanks. Richardson isn't worth a first rounder, we all know that. But instead of stockpiling more 2nds, our best case scenario would be packaging him with other assets for a 1st in something like this:
Richardson + filler for contract running 1 more year + 1st
Richardson + good second (ours or Toronto's '23) for expiring garbage + 1st
With all the sudden movement, if a large enough, last minute deal requires our assistance, that may be our best chance at striking gold.
Also, great tidbits about Bassey and Dieng.

[The Truth #6]

There were rumors for yak to go to Boston also, so I suppose it’s possible they could make a smaller offer for Zach Collins.

[couchman]

If we end up starting Bassey we are in super-tank mode to finish this season.
I think it's clear to everyone that we MUST finish bottom 3.
The best way to do that is to gut the roster of people who are not long term prospects and might accidentally get us some wins.

[JADG79]

Some teams with bad contracts
- New York: Fournier
- Dallas: Tim Hardaway and Bertans
- Heat: Duncan Robinson
- BKN: Harris
- Kings: Richaun Holmes

let see if Spurs are willing to take long term bad contracts for FRP.

[heyheymymy]

However, if no additional moves, it still feels like SA is working towards a specific vision for the future

Doesn't feel like casual wheeling and dealing with loose trades

I can see a chosen direction taking shape

[MultiTroll]

Like Richardson, the Spurs insider says the Spurs won’t simply trade McDermott for a single second round pick.

:lol

You're sure showing em PATFO.

[DesignatedT]

Not that often we can say something like this, but Woj is wrong :lol Spurs currently have 12 future firsts, not 13. Unless he knows something we don't lol

All 7 of their own firsts.
Cha '23
Tor '24
Chi '25
Atl '25
Atl '27

+2 swaps.

I don't think the Charlotte pick is conveying.

[Mal]

Some teams with bad contracts
- New York: Fournier
- Dallas: Tim Hardaway and Bertans
- Heat: Duncan Robinson
- BKN: Harris
- Kings: Richaun Holmes

let see if Spurs are willing to take long term bad contracts for FRP.

Fournier - 2 more years
THJ and Bertans - 2 more years
Duncan Robinson - 3 more years
Nest - they shouldn't bother with cap dumping anybody
Kings - are just fine salary cap wise.

[DPG21920]

Send out Doug with Josh or Collins with Josh

I would even use the CHA pick with Josh if it netted SA a more firm 1st probably.
timvp - thoughts on SA taking on Simmons. I’m probably a no no matter what, but is there anything that would make you say yes? 2 of the PHX unprotected 1sts + a young player while sending out Khem/Doug at least?

[heyheymymy]

Would be awesome to tack on some of these 2RPs with additional deals to shed them up into better value.

Don't really want to be left actually picking most of those second rounders imo

[RC_Drunkford]

great news. They are doing what they should be doing

[DPG21920]

Fournier - 2 more years
THJ and Bertans - 2 more years
Duncan Robinson - 3 more years
Nest - they shouldn't bother with cap dumping anybody
Kings - are just fine salary cap wise.

Fournier has no money guaranteed that 2nd year so its only one…

[The Truth #6]

The Bassey disappearance makes perfect sense now.

[exstatic]

I don't think the Charlotte pick is conveying.

Not this year, certainly, but do you really think LaMelo sticks around if they’re in the lottery the following two years? All they have to do is make the playoffs once in the subsequent two seasons, and it conveys. I’d say they have motivation to do so.

[Seventyniner]

There were rumors for yak to go to Boston also, so I suppose it’s possible they could make a smaller offer for Zach Collins.

Zollins could be a sneaky good asset for some teams because he's still under team control next season ($7M team option).

[Spursfanfromafar]

Fournier - 2 more years
THJ and Bertans - 2 more years
Duncan Robinson - 3 more years
Nest - they shouldn't bother with cap dumping anybody
Kings - are just fine salary cap wise.

Nets were the only major loss making team last season and they are still in line to pay $35.5 million in luxury tax this year after all these trades (per Hoopshype). Giving away Joe Harris should be one of the options that they will consider, I think.

[DPG21920]

Nets were the only major loss making team last season and they are still in line to pay $35.5 million in luxury tax this year after all these trades (per Hoopshype). Giving away Joe Harris should be one of the options that they will consider, I think.

Agree - BKY has no reason to pay tax and should be willing to cough up a first to save 50M lol

[objective]

Repeating myself from the long trade thread, but I could see a Richaun Holmes and 2nds for McDermott swap. Sabonis and
McDermott had great chemistry in Indiana, being the #1 or #2 assister to assistee combination their last year together

[BacktoBasics]

Some teams with bad contracts
- New York: Fournier
- Dallas: Tim Hardaway and Bertans
- Heat: Duncan Robinson
- BKN: Harris
- Kings: Richaun Holmes

let see if Spurs are willing to take long term bad contracts for FRP.

Are those long term deals that Dallas has? If so they'd be smart to free up money. They'll need a good offseason to compete.

[scott]

I still want to see how badly GS wants to save $156MM by trading Wiseman. He can be our 3rd C for two years while we collect some far out GS picks.

[pookenstein]

Would you do Zach for Wiseman and a future first? Like 2028? Warriors get a player the can actually play behind Looney and save a good amount of money on taxes, while the Spurs get an additional first, which could be a very juicy one in 2028, for essentially 2.3M mor tha they'd have to pay if they chose to keep Zach.

[Ariel]

I still want to see how badly GS wants to save $156MM by trading Wiseman. He can be our 3rd C for two years while we collect some far out GS picks.
It's really mind boggling they're not desperate to dump Wiseman at the cost of $131 million. They must be using $100 bills to wipe their a$$es.

[spurs10]

It's really mind boggling they're not desperate to dump Wiseman at the cost of $131 million. They must be using $100 bills to wipe their a$$es. Lotta cash floating in the bay!

[Mr. Body]

It's really mind boggling they're not desperate to dump Wiseman at the cost of $131 million. They must be using $100 bills to wipe their a$$es.

It's Baby Lakob spending his own inheritance.

[The Truth #6]

Zollins could be a sneaky good asset for some teams because he's still under team control next season ($7M team option).

I don’t know how much more Boston has to offer, but with Brown out with an injury, combined with constant injury issues with their centers, a trade including Josh and Zach to Boston would fit their needs, I just don’t know if we would get enough back to make it worth our while.

[Mr. Body]

I don’t know how much more Boston has to offer, but with Brown out with an injury, combined with constant injury issues with their centers, a trade including Josh and Zach to Boston would fit their needs, I just don’t know if we would get enough back to make it worth our while.

Considering all they offered for Poeltl were second round picks, I wouldn't say so.

[Seventyniner]

I do wonder if there is any rumbling in the league office and amongst the owners to strengthen the Stepien Rule. The whole point of that Rule was for a team to not be able to screw itself way into the future, but if a team can trade away control of their draft for 7 years in the future (every other year's worth of picks and give away swaps in the years they do have picks), is the net effect any better?

[buttsR4rebounding]

Fournier - 2 more years
THJ and Bertans - 2 more years
Duncan Robinson - 3 more years
Nest - they shouldn't bother with cap dumping anybody
Kings - are just fine salary cap wise.

Heat are under the luxury tax threshold by $4.9 million right now.

[exstatic]

Would you do Zach for Wiseman and a future first? Like 2028? Warriors get a player the can actually play behind Looney and save a good amount of money on taxes, while the Spurs get an additional first, which could be a very juicy one in 2028, for essentially 2.3M mor tha they'd have to pay if they chose to keep Zach.

That doesn’t save them the tax money. To get that $130M in savings, they need to straight dump him into cap room.

[Atl Spur]

That doesn’t save them the tax money. To get that $130M in savings, they need to straight dump him into cap room.

Preach!

[John B]

Thanks Timvp. Nothing sexy, just pushing papers, absorbing bad contracts, swapping players for SRP’s, hopefully FRP’s. Spurs FO reminds me of It’s A Wonderful Life, Bailey’s Savings and Loans, scraping pennies… geez

[rjv]

Thanks Timvp. Nothing sexy, just pushing papers, absorbing bad contracts, swapping players for SRP’s, hopefully FRP’s. Spurs FO reminds me of It’s A Wonderful Life, Bailey’s Savings and Loans, scraping pennies… geez

the real john b:

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[NickiRasgo]

Any info. regarding Wiseman and/or Moody to Spurs? For the Warriors to save money.

[DPG21920]

Any info. regarding Wiseman and/or Moody to Spurs? For the Warriors to save money.

Most recent thing is GS using them to trade with DET for Bey

[rjv]

Any info. regarding Wiseman and/or Moody to Spurs? For the Warriors to save money.

wiseman to detroit for bey is what i've been hearing.

[John B]

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You tell me :lol. I’m not saying we have the best players, but Wright needs to sell them high. I was high last off-season with moving Thad, DJ, White for multiple FRP’s, young prospect Langford, etc. This time, meh

[NickiRasgo]

Most recent thing is GS using them to trade with DET for Bey


wiseman to detroit for bey is what i've been hearing.

Thanks! Seems the Warriors still doesn't mind going over to their limit (salary cap and tax). It's not that I like Wiseman and/or Moody but worth a look if they can be flipped into another asset/s tho I think the chance is slim.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

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[timvp]

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:lol

[Mr. Body]

wiseman to detroit for bey is what i've been hearing.

I don't get that for Detroit.

[Thomas82]

Any info. regarding Wiseman and/or Moody to Spurs? For the Warriors to save money.

I got an alert from Bleacher Report that the Warriors were talking to us and the Blazers about a possible deal.

[Ariel]

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Genius :lol

[rjv]

wiseman to the pistons makes me wonder if they are trying to create their own version of a twin towers. triple, if they land wemba.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

wiseman to the pistons makes me wonder if they are trying to create their own version of a twin towers. triple, if they land wemba.

Seems like they want to assemble the all-bust frontcourt of Bagley-Wiseman.

[RC_Drunkford]

Denver sending Hyland for 2 seconds to the Clippers was another dumb move. He's probably a locker room cancer, but sending him to your competition ain't smart at all

[Mr. Body]

Denver sending Hyland for 2 seconds to the Clippers was another dumb move. He's probably a locker room cancer, but sending him to your competition ain't smart at all

Yeah. Denver is really close to a big run, but their salary structure is awful and they don't have a bench. Thomas Bryant is a good offensive center, but losing Hyland for nothing doesn't help.