Shams: Spurs Signing Charles Bassey to 4-yr/$10.2M Extension

[BatManu20]

Noice.


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[RC_Drunkford]

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great deal to lock him up long term for cheap

[Robz4000]

:tu

[Excessive Egotist]

Is the remainder of this season Year 1 of the contract? If so, I wonder if the value declines each year, with this year and next year being the only fully guaranteed seasons? If that is the case, Bassey would make 5.6 between now and the conclusion of next season.

[timvp]

Nice! Gotta see the details but four years of control for $10.2 million would be a major W. If he turns out to be a long-term backup center, that's a good deal. Any more than that and it's a great deal.

[Leetonidas]

4/10? Awesome value . I know scott is thrilled about this :lol

:cry Brian keeps getting it Wright :cry

[TD 21]

I remember a highly intelligent and humble poster who claimed a while back that he'd eventually receive a contract somewhat similar to Eubanks, just can't think of exactly who it was . . .

[timvp]

Is the remainder of this season Year 1 of the contract? If so, I wonder if the value declines each year, with this year and next year being the only fully guaranteed seasons? If that is the case, Bassey would make 5.6 between now and the conclusion of next season.

Yeah, that's a good question. Start it big and guaranteed and then decline the dollar amounts and include team options -- that'd be best case scenario for the Spurs.

[heyheymymy]

that decline will favor trade value if SA wants to flip this house down the line

all brilliant strategic positioning from Spurs FO

[heyheymymy]

well shit, the deal is cheap in general. If Bassey does anything remotely right he will be a hot trade commodity if the team wants that.

[Mr. Body]

I'm really bullish on Bassey and am glad they brought him in. Aside from being a great rebounder and athletic shotblocker, he has skills the team hasn't even tapped into yet. He has a legit outside shot. I feel like they've kept him under wraps until they moved players (Poeltl) at the deadline and are ready to work with him.

[RC_Drunkford]

Am I the only one who wants him to be the starting Center? This is exactly what the Spurs should do, lock these type of players up on cheap deals, favorably declining to use more of the cap space now. I don't see him as a trade asset, I think he's a legit part of the future, even if it just means backing up Wembenyama

[KobesAchilles]

We upgraded at center for less money. B-Wright making more Wright moves

[SPURt]

If only they can get a young Tim Duncan to go with young Malik Rose

[K...]

[Also important to note: A deal of this length will give the Spurs Bassey’s full Bird Rights if they guarantee the contract all the way through. So if he really pans out (obviously a big IF at this point) they’ll have no real complications toward signing him beyond this dealing Mathew tynan

[spurraider21]

surprised he wanted to sign a contract that long. great deal tbh

[Goob]

Great deal for us to be honest. Not going to blow you away as far as his stat line goes, but a serviceable enough guy and a solid backup.

[tonight...you]

Might be a phantom 4 years with like two of the last years being player options.

[Excessive Egotist]

Your earlier point is taken, TimVP. It's a good deal regardless. My curiosity on the structure is just wondering where it falls on the spectrum of good to great.

[scott]

4/10? Awesome value . I know scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) is thrilled about this :lol

:cry Brian keeps getting it Wright :cry

Extremely thrilled! My alma mater putting a big man in the pros with a mutli-year deal! A big feat considering most of our team was made up of 5'4" Chicanos when I went there!

I'm obviously bullish on my man, but I think he can definitely be our starting center!

[John B]

B-but Poeltl was cheap

[Seventyniner]

This news plus the Poeltl trade means lots and lots of minutes for Bassey the rest of the season imo. Might as well give him a handful of starts too.

[KingKev]

Am I the only one who wants him to be the starting Center? This is exactly what the Spurs should do, lock these type of players up on cheap deals, favorably declining to use more of the cap space now. I don't see him as a trade asset, I think he's a legit part of the future, even if it just means backing up Wembenyama

There is development and than there is just throwing dudes into the fire. I subscribe to the so called “DJ/Stack” mind games of making them earn that shit. Works well in the early days for young talent.

Zollins, Tre, Vassell, Keldon need to get their shine while dudes are sitting back in the cut patiently waiting. Those potential trade chips will be worth more as other guys potentially take their slot as we proceed.

[LeBowen]

Great deal, win-win situation. Well worth the money even at his current level, but as already said, I think he has a lot more to offer.

[rjv]

looking forward to seeing what he can do for the rest of the season

[Chinook]

Hopefully Deeps is okay with another long-term deal...

I'm kidding. I'm assuming he is fine with it because it's cheap and Bass is young.

Anyway, I like the Hinkie special, though I think his upside is way more capped than it originally seemed. I don't think he'll be one of those Dort/Cov/Grant contracts that people think are gold even though they never get traded. Feel more like he'll play out his deal as a third-stringer and then move on.

Pretty curious about who the second two-way player will be at this point. Any good d-leaguers out there?

[John B]

Spurs got 22 and 19 yrs old in the pipeline with a lot of upsides. I think Wright got this one right!

[RC_Drunkford]

it gets even better: only 2 years guaranteed, Spurs have an option to guarantee his 3rd and 4th year of the contract. They are completely non-guaranteed

[slick'81]

Bassey!!! LFG

[heyheymymy]

wow fantastic terms of the deal in the Spurs favor.

Love the look and direction and decision making of the San Antonio Spurs ball club lately wow

[stephen jackson]

Happy we are keeping him I love him

[Robz4000]

it gets even better: only 2 years guaranteed, Spurs have an option to guarantee his 3rd and 4th year of the contract. They are completely non-guaranteed

Does this season count as the first year?

[benefactor]

I remember a highly intelligent and humble poster who claimed a while back that he'd eventually receive a contract somewhat similar to Eubanks, just can't think of exactly who it was . . .
Great to see you can still suck your own dick in such a skillful way after all these years.

[DPG21920]

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[KingKev]

Great to see you can still suck your own dick in such a skillful way after all these years.

hahah he would also highly recommend his talent here. Best he’s ever had :lmao :lmao

Relative to Eubanks deal it’s a better deal (for both sides) for a better prospect at the end of the day. Everyone wins here.

[DPG21920]

Hopefully Deeps is okay with another long-term deal...

I'm kidding. I'm assuming he is fine with it because it's cheap and Bass is young.

Anyway, I like the Hinkie special, though I think his upside is way more capped than it originally seemed. I don't think he'll be one of those Dort/Cov/Grant contracts that people think are gold even though they never get traded. Feel more like he'll play out his deal as a third-stringer and then move on.

Pretty curious about who the second two-way player will be at this point. Any good d-leaguers out there?

Lol - Bingo. Young guy, cheap deal and already proven he can at least be a 3rd center and whether he becomes more or not it’s a solid value (especially learning how his deal is structured)

[JPB]

First piece of the puzzle tbh.

[scott]

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For those asking if there are any wings we are looking at for the last 2-way, apparently we are planning on playing Bassey at Guard, so no worries :lol

Edit: if you click the photo, it expands and lists him as a Guard.

[KingKev]

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For those asking if there are any wings we are looking at for the last 2-way, apparently we are planning on playing Bassey at Guard, so no worries :lol

Edit: if you click the photo, it expands and lists him as a Guard.

I clicked and it it was a sneaky link to Primo’s tapes

[heyheymymy]

His frame and #28 still gives me Ian Mahinmi flashes but this time no hands and feet in cinderblocks lol

[KingKev]

His frame and #28 still gives me Ian Mahinmi flashes but this time no hands and feet in cinderblocks lol

Two inches shorter though lol. Ian never did anything very well from
my recollection. Bassey has a crazy knack as a rebounder to start.

[XDT76]

I am glad we at least have a big who can do D Rebound.

[TD 21]

Great to see you can still suck your own dick in such a skillful way after all these years.

Yeah, I thought I'd give your wife a break . . .

[Sugus]

Remember the times when folks would go off on how there was no way this same Spurs FO would trade DeRozan instead of resigning him, much less Dejounte, absolutely no way they were gonna commit to a rebuild and stick through it? Good times.

Great signing.

[KingKev]

Remember the times when folks would go off on how there was no way this same Spurs FO would trade DeRozan instead of resigning him, much less Dejounte, absolutely no way they were gonna commit to a rebuild and stick through it? Good times.

Great signing.

Nice to see you present a view, opinion or brain fart that wasn’t a 1000 word paragraph.

[Mr. Body]

I'm personally surprised they got him for four years with two as team choice. I thought he'd go for shorter to get a better deal once he shows himself. And I think he's going to blow up. Not an all-star, but he's good.

[DPG21920]

I love where the spurs head is at overall right now with taking some gambles on scrap heap guys.

Yeah, Roby has been a disappointment but didn’t cost anything and it was a worthwhile swing. But Collins has been reclaimed and seems like a value (even if he’s not a starter), Stanley Johnson even did well here although ultimately released and Bassey has done well too.

Spurs churning that lower end, taking some risks on guys that have some upside but making sure they protected themselves with the contracts. Keep it up

[KingKev]

I'm personally surprised they got him for four years with two as team choice. I thought he'd go for shorter to get a better deal once he shows himself. And I think he's going to blow up. Not an all-star, but he's good.

Agents have been pretty damn good at telling their clients to come here and build your future. He probably doesn’t blow up here or anywhere else but unless he has a job at a contender lacking his skillset he might as well develop here…

It was reported today Grant Williams seeks 20/yr on his next contract.

[Chinook]

People think Bassey's stock was way higher than it was. $5 Million guaranteed is a lot of money for a guy who was at risk of being out of the league. He has a lot to prove before he's going to be able to negotiate at that level. Plus this is basically $5 Million for a season and a third. In case it wasn't clear this isn't an extension. It's a conversion.

[DPG21920]

Still waiting to see if this year counts because if so as much money that can go to him this rest of season the better since SA is paying to get to floor either way. So makes it “free” money for SA this season.

[DPG21920]

People think Bassey's stock was way higher than it was. $5 Million guaranteed is a lot of money for a guy who was at risk of being out of the league. He has a lot to prove before he's going to be able to negotiate at that level. Plus this is basically $5 Million for a season and a third. In case it wasn't clear this isn't an extension. It's a conversion.

Side question: Do tie breakers come into play for determination of “seed” in lottery? I know if say for example DET/SA have the same record their odds will just be split, but seeding still matters for determining how far a team can fall. So is it a coin toss in the event of a tie or is their H2H tiebreakers?

[Mr. Body]

People think Bassey's stock was way higher than it was. $5 Million guaranteed is a lot of money for a guy who was at risk of being out of the league. He has a lot to prove before he's going to be able to negotiate at that level. Plus this is basically $5 Million for a season and a third. In case it wasn't clear this isn't an extension. It's a conversion.

Your read on this seems pretty mistaken. There was a lot of interest in him after Philly cut him for Montrezl, going for an older player. Bassey picked the Spurs in good part because of his ties here, but also to develop. You're making it sound like the Spurs picked him up at an orphanage. The Spurs have given him a contract because they like what they see. This isn't a charity case. He's shown legitimate promise.

[JPB]

People think Bassey's stock was way higher than it was. $5 Million guaranteed is a lot of money for a guy who was at risk of being out of the league. He has a lot to prove before he's going to be able to negotiate at that level. Plus this is basically $5 Million for a season and a third. In case it wasn't clear this isn't an extension. It's a conversion.

Sure but last two non-guaranteed years remain a bit surprising. No matter his stock you'd think Bassey (and his agents) would let a door open and give themselves a chance in case he shows good things on the floor... But maybe that's all spurs were ready to offer or there's a gentleman's agreement in case if he indeed performs well, spurs might offer him a better contract (or let him go for a better one) when the team option starts, I don't know.

[timtonymanu]

Great news!

[CGD]

Why are we complaining about what will
amount to the new vet minimum salary after the next TV deal?

It’s a great get, and proof of concept to other g-leaguer that there is, indeed, a path to the pros of you come to SA.

[Ariel]

Side question: Do tie breakers come into play for determination of “seed” in lottery? I know if say for example DET/SA have the same record their odds will just be split, but seeding still matters for determining how far a team can fall. So is it a coin toss in the event of a tie or is their H2H tiebreakers?
Coin toss, and 2nd round in reverse order.

[exstatic]

Sneaky conversion. He’ll get salary floor money on top of his partial year salary.

[Dejounte]

Easy alley oop for Scoot

[DPG21920]

Coin toss, and 2nd round in reverse order.

I guess that makes sense - feels like it may come to that with DET/SA

[Excessive Egotist]

This is the first full year of a multi year rebuild. The Bassey signing is one of the good outcomes from a good Year 1.

The Spurs are doing well on multiple levels. Positive cap situation. Converted some out-of-timeline vets for draft equity, including an FRP in a market that was very stingy about trading FRPs. Keldon Johnson will be a good trade piece in the near future. Vassell and Sochan are very likely key contributors to the next Spurs playoff team. Branham and Wesley each show a different kind of promise--good draft selections, both. And both two-way guys from this season could become inexpensive but impactful bottom rotation players.

The Spurs are building "corporate knowledge" with key bench positions. I'm looking at you, Tre Jones.

And barring an injury, the rest of the season, including the end of June when Spurs might still lease their cap space for additional assets, should produce more reason for optimism, especially if the team has good lottery luck.

Put differently, the Spurs are already putting together a better rebuild than the Rockets and Hornets. The Thunder, Magic, and Pistons are doing fine too, although they've been at it longer. As a fan, I'm pleased.

[benefactor]

Yeah, I thought I'd give your wife a break . . .
Yeah she told me you keep messaging when your husband isn't around. Perhaps he should step his game up in that area tbh:tu. He know your into chicks now?

[barakz21]

What does that mean? That he’s no longer on a 2way contract?

[scott]

I guess that makes sense - feels like it may come to that with DET/SA

I guess the good news, at least is that a tie for 2nd would not impact the odds (Whereas a tie for third would). So a tie for second still gets you the same odds at 1-4, but obviously open up the pathway to drop lower.

[DPG21920]

I guess the good news, at least is that a tie for 2nd would not impact the odds (Whereas a tie for third would). So a tie for second still gets you the same odds at 1-4, but obviously open up the pathway to drop lower.

Ya - all that ultimately matters is being in bottom 3 here as far as optimal odds. But definitely finishing 2nd to last or 3rd to last has its perks too

[Mr. Body]

Why are we complaining about what will
amount to the new vet minimum salary after the next TV deal?

It’s a great get, and proof of concept to other g-leaguer that there is, indeed, a path to the pros of you come to SA.

This board was complaining when Poeltl was signed for $9 mil a year, which instantly showed itself to be a bargain.

[jjspur]

With Bassey moving up to the big team, are the spurs interested in signing anyone to the vacated 2 way spot or is it too late in the season for that ?

[wildbill2u]

This could be the steal of the year for the Spurs in terms of locking in a young player who has a lot more to give as he gains experience with playing time in the big show. I hope they lock in Barlow as well.

[Dex]

Considering we paid DeMarre Carroll like $15M to play 15 games and raid Madonna's wardrobe....getting a young, talented big for $10M over 4 years seems like a no-brainer at this point.

[Chinook]

Side question: Do tie breakers come into play for determination of “seed” in lottery? I know if say for example DET/SA have the same record their odds will just be split, but seeding still matters for determining how far a team can fall. So is it a coin toss in the event of a tie or is their H2H tiebreakers?

It's just record as far as I can remember.


Your read on this seems pretty mistaken. There was a lot of interest in him after Philly cut him for Montrezl, going for an older player. Bassey picked the Spurs in good part because of his ties here, but also to develop. You're making it sound like the Spurs picked him up at an orphanage. The Spurs have given him a contract because they like what they see. This isn't a charity case. He's shown legitimate promise.

My read seems to be accurate, given that I'm not surprised by his contract and other are. Teams being "interested" in him doesn't mean anything given he had to settle for a two-way contract rather than guaranteed money. I'm not saying he's a bad prospect, especially in his lane as detritus/meh flier. He got two guaranteed years, which is more than players on Hinkie specials usually get. But folks thinking he had the cachet to ask for a deal where he'd go to free agency immediately are off-base. I mean, obviously he could've taken a one-year deal for the rest of the season at the min or stayed on the two-way. He's a guy who didn't have NBA money and wasn't a shoe-in to get it. Of course he was going to jump at the chance.


Sure but last two non-guaranteed years remain a bit surprising. No matter his stock you'd think Bassey (and his agents) would let a door open and give themselves a chance in case he shows good things on the floor... But maybe that's all spurs were ready to offer or there's a gentleman's agreement in case if he indeed performs well, spurs might offer him a better contract (or let him go for a better one) when the team option starts, I don't know.

Bassey doesn't have team options. He has non-guaranteed years. The Spurs might renegotiate and extend Bass in a few years if the circumstances line up, but they can't decline his option and offer a new contract ala Jokic. They'd have to cut him, and if he's that good, he'd be claimed. But seriously, his market value is getting quite inflated. To put it into perspective, he had about the same value as say Samanic did when cut and has about cachet now than KBD did when he got his current deal from the Spurs. He has way less than Bryn Forbes did coming out of summer league (and obviously less on Bryn's second contract).

It's okay to be hopeful. I'm hopeful, even if I don't see the special player some might assume from his stats. But the move should be thought of for what is it: a relatively inconsequential transaction that was just a team with the means doing due diligence and taking advantage of their leverage and cap space to take a smart gamble. It's neither surprising nor a coup. Sure, guys like Covington and Dort end up being bargain contracts, but Hinkie offered such deals to numerous players, most of whom did not survive the length of their contracts. The Spurs should absolutely look to do more of them, because the risk:reward is great. But center is no more of a settled position at this point than it was before. They should be looking to upgrade over Bassey just as Philly did.

[GAustex]

Considering we paid DeMarre Carroll like $15M to play 15 games and raid Madonna's wardrobe....getting a young, talented big for $10M over 4 years seems like a no-brainer at this point.
Are Spurs still paying DeMarre?

[Chinook]

Why are we complaining about what will
amount to the new vet minimum salary after the next TV deal?

It’s a great get, and proof of concept to other g-leaguer that there is, indeed, a path to the pros of you come to SA.

I don't think a single person complained. Managing expectations is a completely different thing. In retrospect, that Wieskamp and especially Cacock didn't get this treatment last year should've been a huge red flag for their future with the team. You can see with literally no leverage gets you by looking as Wieskamp's deal with Toronto. Next year is completely non-guaranteed with RFA rights at the end of it. Bassey got 10 times as much guaranteed money, and folks are thinking there was a chance he was going to turn that down?

[Chinook]

Are Spurs still paying DeMarre?

Yep. Should be getting twice-monthly checks until 2025. He's not hitting SA's cap anymore at least.

[Sugus]

Nice to see you present a view, opinion or brain fart that wasn’t a 1000 word paragraph.

My pleasure! I'm trying to keep it simple for our less educated posters, glad you're enjoying it ;)

[TD 21]

Yeah she told me you keep messaging when your husband isn't around. Perhaps he should step his game up in that area tbh:tu. He know your into chicks now?

I say this with an unblemished record of staunch heterosexuality: :lmao At making a gay joke in '23, as if there's anything wrong with that . . . and another :lmao for your instead of you're.

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Am I the only one who wants him to be the starting Center? This is exactly what the Spurs should do, lock these type of players up on cheap deals, favorably declining to use more of the cap space now. I don't see him as a trade asset, I think he's a legit part of the future, even if it just means backing up Wembenyama

His game is smooth man, when you see him in person. Got a really nice touch from mid and 3. Has skills to develop an inside game. I told the board he could have dropped 50 in that Austin Spurs game the other day. Big upside.

[scott]

His game is smooth man, when you see him in person. Got a really nice touch from mid and 3. Has skills to develop an inside game. I told the board he could have dropped 50 in that Austin Spurs game the other day. Big upside.

I think the offseason and camp are going to be huge for him. Right now his offensive game is pretty limited to pick and roll and put backs. I definitely would like to see some more aggressiveness under the basket on these offensive rebounds. Go up hard and draw the foul.

On PnR, he leaves the pick too early fairly consistently. Once he can improve on those screens I think he is going to free up a lot more on the offensive end for him and his teammates.

I think both issues are just a matter of training and development, and he is the right program for it. He isn’t behind where Jak was at this point in his career, and Bassey has significantly higher range and skill to his offensive game.

And, dude is a BEAST on the boards. I really believe he can develop into a 14 & 12 guy, maybe even be a top rebounder in the league one day.

[wildbill2u]

"On PnR, he leaves the pick too early fairly consistently. Once he can improve on those screens I think he is going to free up a lot more on the offensive end for him and his teammates."

This has been my observation on Bassey for a while now. Barlow has the same problem with leaving the pick too early for the roll opportunity. The man they are picking doesn't get picked and their defender can stay with them. They may just be trying to avoid the contact on the pick part of the play, but if they are going to play with the big boys, they have to take the contact.

[KingKev]

Looks like his new deal is quite rewarding for 2022-23:

- 2.5m 22-23
- 2.5m 23-24
- 2.6m 24-25
- 2.6m 25-26

last two years team option

[benefactor]

I say this with an unblemished record of staunch heterosexuality: :lmao At making a gay joke in '23, as if there's anything wrong with that . . . and another :lmao for your instead of you're.
:lol making an I fucked your wife joke and coming in on the tail end with grammar smack in 2023. Good to see you didn't lose your ability to be a hypocrite after all the years of walking around here fingering your own asshole in front of everyone.

[Chinook]

I'm probably the biggest Teeds defender on this site, but I do miss prime Benefactor. Makes me feel old though. Speaking of nostalgia, anyone heard from Mel recently?

[TD 21]

:lol making an I fucked your wife joke and coming in on the tail end with grammar smack in 2023. Good to see you didn't lose your ability to be a hypocrite after all the years of walking around here fingering your own asshole in front of everyone.

I knew you'd come with that, :lmao at thinking the former is equivalent and the latter I only pointed out because it wasn't typo related; it was your specialty: dumb, inbred hick.



I'm probably the biggest Teeds defender on this site, but I do miss prime Benefactor. Makes me feel old though. Speaking of nostalgia, anyone heard from Mel recently?

Ah, so you're the one . . . I knew such a thing existed. :toast

[XDT76]

Is Bassey not playing for G league next up becos he signed a NBA contract or he is injuried?

[exstatic]

Is Bassey not playing for G league next up becos he signed a NBA contract or he is injuried?

He’s played in SA since that Austin injury, so that’s not it. He’s not playing because his contract was converted to a full NBA contract. I believe you have to be on a gleague contract or a two way to play in next up.

[playbonner15]

Dude is stil confused by the system and plays too soft but hes young so hoping he figure stuff out