Which team do you most want bounced from the 23 Playoffs?

[MultiTroll]

Earlyl start, can access as the seedings are set.

I can already say
1. Golden Phaggots.
2. Phoenix collusion
3. Celtics

Warriors remain my top pick, having essentially ruined the Finals 3 of the last 6 years.
Phoenix self-explanatory with Durbetta. Also don't like CP0 and BookerDashian has become very unlikeable too for me.

Celtics after last years 3-2 lead becoming complete puss out I'm done with them. See nothing to think they have changed a bit from the games I've seen this season. Tatum yet another Kobme idolist with no concept of team ball.

Dallas while i do not want to see selfish Flat Earther get rewarded, I like watching Doncic too much to hate on the Mavs. Also don't hate Cuban since he is one of the few high profile to speak out against the Securtity Exchange Commissions corruptness and their 100 scam lawsuit vs Ripple / XRP.

[Rummpd]

Suns
Lakers
Mavs

[LkrFan]

Sp:downspin:rs

[horseshue]

Sp:downspin:rs

Spurs ain't making play-off, just like lakers. :lol

[baseline bum]

Between Leonard, Morris, Westbrook, Gordon, and George it's easily the Clippers.

[KingKev]

Lakers missing the playoffs at full health would be pleasureful. Also, a CP3 choke job would be nice.

[Goob]

Suns due to how cocky they are now that they got tarantula with the Grizzlies right behind them tbh due to their obnoxious fans.

[Dirks_Finale]

Durbeta's Sons.

[MultiTroll]

:loser:loser

"It's pressure because I'm one of the best players to ever play the game," Durant said in his introductory press conference. "So, everytime I step on the floor people are going to expect me to do great things, for the team I'm on to do great things.

:vomit::vomit:

[Rummpd]

Between Leonard, Morris, Westbrook, Gordon, and George it's easily the Clippers.

I hope they first knock off the Lakers with Westbrook having a big series then lose the next one.

[KobesAchilles]

1. Suns. I can't stand anybody on the team now
2. Grizz. They talk way too much for a crap second round team. They're like the Patrick Beverly of the NBA
3. GS. They have my respect but I don't want them tying the Spurs
4. Nuggets. A 3 time NBA loser MVP is a stain on Today's NBA and I want it in the record books that only losers are rewarded for MVPS going forward. It's like what they did for Nash only worse bc instead of doubling down on their mistake they tripled down. Hell he might win it again next year too and be the first 4 straight time MVP. I changed my mind lol it's the Nuggets for me if Jokic wins the MVP as the team I want out

[Bill_Brasky]

The Nuggets. I am so fucking tired of these nerd fucks insisting that this defensive liability motherfucker is the best player in the NBA. No he's not.

[baseline bum]

I hope they first knock off the Lakers with Westbrook having a big series then lose the next one.

Knock the Lakers off from what? They'll be lucky to make the play in.

[Rummpd]

My new favorite NBA thug

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35712262/bulls-patrick-beverley-wants-knock-lakers-playoffs

[MultiTroll]

My new favorite NBA thug

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35712262/bulls-patrick-beverley-wants-knock-lakers-playoffs
Pat Bev gets a permanent beer buy from me over his standing up to the Golden Phaggots, particularly Stephie Curry and Durbeta.

https://youtu.be/3ogewFUap2c

[MultiTroll]

Check who pushes who and yet both get ejected. Pat Bev for what?!!

Pathetic phaggot Ed Malloy the Warriors personal ref rigger.
Mark Jackson the Warrior Sniffer joining in on the farce.

https://youtu.be/DfggRtdOiTE

[FrostKing]

Easily the Suns

Paul & Durant getting their 1st Rings under these circumstances is worst scenario

[lefty]

The Nuggets. I am so fucking tired of these nerd fucks insisting that this defensive liability motherfucker is the best player in the NBA. No he's not.

Magic didn’t deserve any of his MVPs either because he was also a defensive liability

[JamStone]

Probably Warriors, Sixers, Clippers the most. But really, most NBA teams aren’t really likable these days.

The only team I do kind of like, aside from my own team which continues to suck, is probably Denver because I’m a Joker fan and they haven’t won shit yet, like ever. Joker doesn’t really talk shit, aside from the Morris thing. In general, keeps to himself, doesn’t really care about individual stats, still balls out, and tries to win with good team basketball. So it’d be cool to see him and the Nuggz win.

Other teams... I don’t necessarily dislike this version of the Celtics and if the same players played for a different organization I’d maybe even like them. But I was born hating Celtics green. I’m cool with Miami but I rarely even think about them because they aren’t too memorable. Playoff Jimmy Buckets I mess with tho. I’m ok with teams like Dallas and Memphis because I like their star players, but I don’t really care one way or another about the success of their teams.

Everyone else, kick rocks for all I care.

[JamStone]

The Nuggets. I am so fucking tired of these nerd fucks insisting that this defensive liability motherfucker is the best player in the NBA. No he's not.


I think he is the best player in the NBA.

First, the impact of individual man defense has been all but wiped out in the league. Not just by rules but with style of play, with improved perimeter skills by big men in general, and the fact most teams switch everything now. The best lockdown defenders today could play perfect defense on guys like Steph, Durant, Luka, etc. and still get lit up for 40 on 70% shooting. The game constantly evolves and individual man defense matters less and less in today’s game, even in the playoffs. It’s not unimportant, just less important. Team defense, communicating, rotating, and recovery to the three point line are all more important than individual man defense.

Also, it’s already been proven by several basketball “nerds” in research and articles that Jokic’s defense is not the liability some basketball critics like to pretend and claim it is. And it hasn’t been for a couple seasons now. He’ll never be an elite defender, certainly not an elite shot blocking and shot altering defender that great big man defenders traditionally are. But he’s nowhere near as bad as some continue to suggest.

His impact shows up at both ends. His team +/- when he’s on and off the court is mind blowing, especially when you compare to other superstars and MVP candidates. It really is.

[lefty]

Joker is awesome, my favorite player

I like Kyrie too ; yes he s a weirdo and a cancer, but man he is a baller and he is clutch AF

[Robz4000]

Dubs and Clippers are really the only teams I don't wanna see win. Might need to add the Grizz to that list since their players and fans talk a lot of shit for a team thats never done anything. Suns have some unlikable players but their fanbase has suffered long enough imo. Hate Flat-Earther but I'm otherwise cool with the Mavs these days. Rest of the teams I'm indifferent too for the most part; prolly gonna root for the Nuggets and Celtics to make the Finals.

:lol Lakers making the play-in, let alone the playoffs

[baseline bum]

Dubs and Clippers are really the only teams I don't wanna see win. Might need to add the Grizz to that list since their players and fans talk a lot of shit for a team thats never done anything. Suns have some unlikable players but their fanbase has suffered long enough imo. Hate Flat-Earther but I'm otherwise cool with the Mavs these days. Rest of the teams I'm indifferent too for the most part; prolly gonna root for the Nuggets and Celtics to make the Finals.

:lol Lakers making the play-in, let alone the playoffs

I think I'm rooting for a 2021 Finals rematch. Yeah after all the kicks to the nuts Suns fan has had I wouldn't mind seeing them win one. Even though it has been nearly 25 years I still remember when being a Spurs fan felt like that. And how can anyone not like Giannis? Still blown away by the closeout game he had to clinch the 2021 title. I like Tatum and Brown and most of the rest of the Celtics players but Boston fan can go die in a fire for the way they treated Bill Russell.

[Chris Fall]

And how can anyone not like Giannis?

I'm not a fan of Giannis. Don't dislike the person. He's fine. I just don't like his game. His dominance is hugely based on his unique combination of size, length, and athleticism and how he uses those things to his advantage. I don't knock it. I just don't like it. I'm more of a fan of using skill and IQ to beat your opponent.

That doesn't mean Giannis isn't skilled at all or doesn't have good IQ. It's just that the physical gifts are the things that put him over the top to help make him one of the better and more productive players in the league. The comparison is Shaq with his body and use of physicality. And you understand why some people didn't like Shaq's game.

Giannis is all sorts of elbows and knees, galloping 20 feet in two strides, dunking without having to leave the floor, and still clearing defenders with a shoulder to create space. I don't like it.

It's like the difference between young Russell Westbrook and Steph Curry. Between those two styles, I prefer Curry 10 times out of 10 over Westbrook. And I prefer, for example, Joker over Giannis 10 times out of 10 as well.

[TD 21]

Tier 1: Warriors, Clippers, Craptors (I realize they're fringe and have no chance of doing damage).

Tier 2: Grizzlies, Mavericks.



4. Nuggets. A 3 time NBA loser MVP is a stain on Today's NBA and I want it in the record books that only losers are rewarded for MVPS going forward. It's like what they did for Nash only worse bc instead of doubling down on their mistake they tripled down. Hell he might win it again next year too and be the first 4 straight time MVP. I changed my mind lol it's the Nuggets for me if Jokic wins the MVP as the team I want out

:lmao At the classic casual, results without context take.

Jokic has maintained his historically great play in the playoffs and his team has won two series as clear underdogs, both of which came in his pre-early prime.

Unfortunately for them, they haven't had a chance the past two post seasons without Murray and the past one without Porter Jr.

[MultiTroll]

Jokic has maintained his historically great play in the playoffs and his team has won two series as clear underdogs, both of which came in his pre-early prime.

Unfortunately for them, they haven't had a chance the past two post seasons without Murray and the past one without Porter Jr.
To this day i thought Plumlee threw the game winner in the Bubble Bowl.
Game 2.

Instead of being 1-1 the Flamers got the pivital 2-0 lead.

[MultiTroll]

2 seconds left AND a foul to give. Denver with the lead by 1.
Watch Plumlees super fake defense.


https://youtu.be/eJOkrA3VB7c

[lefty]

I'm not a fan of Giannis. Don't dislike the person. He's fine. I just don't like his game. His dominance is hugely based on his unique combination of size, length, and athleticism and how he uses those things to his advantage. I don't knock it. I just don't like it. I'm more of a fan of using skill and IQ to beat your opponent.

That doesn't mean Giannis isn't skilled at all or doesn't have good IQ. It's just that the physical gifts are the things that put him over the top to help make him one of the better and more productive players in the league. The comparison is Shaq with his body and use of physicality. And you understand why some people didn't like Shaq's game.

Giannis is all sorts of elbows and knees, galloping 20 feet in two strides, dunking without having to leave the floor, and still clearing defenders with a shoulder to create space. I don't like it.

It's like the difference between young Russell Westbrook and Steph Curry. Between those two styles, I prefer Curry 10 times out of 10 over Westbrook. And I prefer, for example, Joker over Giannis 10 times out of 10 as well.

He’s not the 1st superstar to benefit from his athletic gifts and he won’t be thr last

And to his credit he has - albeit slowly- improving his outside shooting and made clutch free throws during the Bucks title run.

Also made timely defensive plays

[Goob]

Plumlee played for the Duke pricks. What do you expect?

[KobesAchilles]

Tier 1: Warriors, Clippers, Craptors (I realize they're fringe and have no chance of doing damage).

Tier 2: Grizzlies, Mavericks.




:lmao At the classic casual, results without context take.

Jokic has maintained his historically great play in the playoffs and his team has won two series as clear underdogs, both of which came in his pre-early prime.

Unfortunately for them, they haven't had a chance the past two post seasons without Murray and the past one without Porter Jr.
I’m a classic casual bc I don’t want a loser to be a 3 time MVP? The dude shouldn’t have won it last year. At all. You can’t be the 6th seed get bounced in 5 games in the first round and be the MVP. Bc you weren’t that valuable. And that goes for Westbrook too.

This guy is better than Duncan? Than Shaq? Than Hakeem? You don’t know how much 3 MVPs means to a legacy. It’s all time fucking great. It’s not that same as winning one MVP. If you win 3 then you are an all time all time. There aren’t any loser 3 time MVPs. The worst one is Moses and he led his team to the Finals before running roughshod through the whole NBA.
Causal my ass. Only a causal can put Jokic in that air without winning a ring, getting bounced in the first round and losing in the second round the other time he won MVP. If Michael fucking Porter is the reason why you don’t win a ring then maybe you aren’t an all time great player.

[TD 21]

I’m a classic casual bc I don’t want a loser to be a 3 time MVP? The dude shouldn’t have won it last year. At all. You can’t be the 6th seed get bounced in 5 games in the first round and be the MVP. Bc you weren’t that valuable. And that goes for Westbrook too.

This guy is better than Duncan? Than Shaq? Than Hakeem? You don’t know how much 3 MVPs means to a legacy. It’s all time fucking great. It’s not that same as winning one MVP. If you win 3 then you are an all time all time. There aren’t any loser 3 time MVPs. The worst one is Moses and he led his team to the Finals before running roughshod through the whole NBA.
Causal my ass. Only a causal can put Jokic in that air without winning a ring, getting bounced in the first round and losing in the second round the other time he won MVP. If Michael fucking Porter is the reason why you don’t win a ring then maybe you aren’t an all time great player.

:lmao At still failing to factor in context to results. He's been by far the highest impact player in the regular season in recent years, propping up a team bereft a second star.

Foolish results of the past shouldn't factor into now and Porter Jr. is their third option and fourth best player.

[FrostKing]

I’m a classic casual bc I don’t want a loser to be a 3 time MVP? The dude shouldn’t have won it last year. At all. You can’t be the 6th seed get bounced in 5 games in the first round and be the MVP. Bc you weren’t that valuable. And that goes for Westbrook too.

This guy is better than Duncan? Than Shaq? Than Hakeem? You don’t know how much 3 MVPs means to a legacy. It’s all time fucking great. It’s not that same as winning one MVP. If you win 3 then you are an all time all time. There aren’t any loser 3 time MVPs. The worst one is Moses and he led his team to the Finals before running roughshod through the whole NBA.
Causal my ass. Only a causal can put Jokic in that air without winning a ring, getting bounced in the first round and losing in the second round the other time he won MVP. If Michael fucking Porter is the reason why you don’t win a ring then maybe you aren’t an all time great player.
Guys like Durant are cheapening Championship Rings and your focus is a regular season Award?

Almost everyone agrees it's an inferior NBA today. These guys sitting out large amounts of games is a significant reason why it's a lesser product and why Jokic is stockpiling the award.

[Chris Fall]

At different times in NBA past, there have been worthy, deserving MVPs that didn't win it. There have been guys like Kobe who probably shouldn't have won it the year he did but got it because the league wanted to gift him a lifetime award. And then guys like Karl Malone and Derrick Rose who won at least in part because the voters weren't going to give it to Michael or LeBron again.

I think Jokic has won each previous year on the merits of what he did each year, individually in the regular season. And each was deserving. If Jokic didn't win last year, it would have gone to Embiid, another guy who hadn't done shit in the playoffs and hasn't even gotten out of the second round. Plus, Embiid had missed 45 games in the previous two seasons he'd been up for the MVP. And I don't believe Giannis deserves to be a three time MVP, compared to guys like Shaq or Duncan either.

Jokic has been the most valuable player in the regular season in the league the last three seasons. And imo pretty clearly so. His impact on his team when he's on the court versus when he's sitting is greater than any other player in the league. In fact, imo only Luka pre-Kyrie was more essential to his team success. Judging based on what happens in the post season is an irrelevant argument. If that's the case, just get rid of the regular season MVP altogether.

[Bill_Brasky]

I think he is the best player in the NBA.

First, the impact of individual man defense has been all but wiped out in the league. Not just by rules but with style of play, with improved perimeter skills by big men in general, and the fact most teams switch everything now. The best lockdown defenders today could play perfect defense on guys like Steph, Durant, Luka, etc. and still get lit up for 40 on 70% shooting. The game constantly evolves and individual man defense matters less and less in today’s game, even in the playoffs. It’s not unimportant, just less important. Team defense, communicating, rotating, and recovery to the three point line are all more important than individual man defense.

Also, it’s already been proven by several basketball “nerds” in research and articles that Jokic’s defense is not the liability some basketball critics like to pretend and claim it is. And it hasn’t been for a couple seasons now. He’ll never be an elite defender, certainly not an elite shot blocking and shot altering defender that great big man defenders traditionally are. But he’s nowhere near as bad as some continue to suggest.

His impact shows up at both ends. His team +/- when he’s on and off the court is mind blowing, especially when you compare to other superstars and MVP candidates. It really is.

He is not a good defensive player. And it still matters, especially at his position. Good rim protecting bigs alter layups and make guys have to think about it when they drive into the lane. And when they know the layins aren't as easy it puts more pressure on them to make outside shots. It is amplified in playoff basketball.

[KobesAchilles]

:lmao At still failing to factor in context to results. He's been by far the highest impact player in the regular season in recent years, propping up a team bereft a second star.

Foolish results of the past shouldn't factor into now and Porter Jr. is their third option and fourth best player.
I think you have zero context. Your idea of propping up a team is the 6th seed and a first round bounce. I have higher standards. He hasn't been more impactful than Giannis as his team has won more than Jokic and Giannis actually plays defense. You have the same tired argument that people had for Westbrick when he won it. Well look at his team, they would be nothing without him. Yeah but they aren't much with him either.

And to Frost, yeah I do care about MVPs. Who doesn't? Not everything is rings. If that were the case everybody would have Pippen ranked as the best SF of all time. But he isn't. or Draymond would be better than Barkley. But he isn't. And when you factor in it would be his 3rd MVP in a row then you have to start caring. But if you want to bring up Durant cheapening ring, that's ok. But to me, Lebron did that already years ago. Durant is a beta. Everybody knows it. But even beta Durant is a better player than Jokic and the fact this guy is gonna win his 3rd straight award is garbage.

[JamStone]

He is not a good defensive player. And it still matters, especially at his position. Good rim protecting bigs alter layups and make guys have to think about it when they drive into the lane. And when they know the layins aren't as easy it puts more pressure on them to make outside shots. It is amplified in playoff basketball.

It’s just a bad opinion. And yes, that opinion is only an opinion. Not factual at all. Facts and stats say otherwise. I could link articles but you’d likely not read them. I could site advanced stats but you’d likely dismiss them as flawed. But factually and actually, Nikola Jokic is not only not a defensive liability, he’s solid and sometimes even good defensively. That goes beyond just Defensive Rating, which hoops fans discredit as teammate reliant. It’s beyond Defensive +/- or Defensive Win Shares, which oh by the way he is statistically better at than guys like Jaren Jackson, Nic Claxton, Deandre Ayton. But again, you wouldn’t believe stats like that. Even opponent FG%, he compares favorably with all those bigs who are considered good defenders. Not the best, but nowhere near the worse, not even bad.

Once people get it in their head that a player is one thing, they’re often reluctant to admit or acknowledge that the player could have improved. Joker just three seasons ago was a bad defender. Things really changed starting last season. If you want links to articles and you’ll actually read them, I can provide them. From basketball heads more informed and more geeked out than me.

Your own personal eye test really means nothing. It’s an opinion. A wrong opinion at that. I’ll give just one example why. Bigs like Embiid and Gobert play the pick-and-roll with drop coverage something like over 90% of the time. The PNR ballhandler uses the screen and takes a pretty much uncontested three and makes it, and most people aren’t blaming Embiid or Gobert for the three pointer, unless it’s someone like Curry and he made like 5 threes in a row in PNR. The last two seasons, Jokic, who used to play a lot of drop coverage in PNR, now hedges and then switches out on the perimeter on guards and wings. And the PNR ballhandler now has him in isolation and can drive by him for a lay-up. He WILL get blamed for getting beat off the dribble. But in reality, he just saved his team 1 point compared to Embiid and Gobert. Today’s game when teams are shooting threes one out of three field goal attempts or more and making them at a clip greater than ever before, blocked shots and altered shots in the paint matter less and less. Only a stubborn old head would put so much weight on big men blocking and altering shots as the primary factor in determining whether a big is a good defender or not. That’s not today’s game.

[lefty]

It’s just a bad opinion. And yes, that opinion is only an opinion. Not factual at all. Facts and stats say otherwise. I could link articles but you’d likely not read them. I could site advanced stats but you’d likely dismiss them as flawed. But factually and actually, Nikola Jokic is not only not a defensive liability, he’s solid and sometimes even good defensively. That goes beyond just Defensive Rating, which hoops fans discredit as teammate reliant. It’s beyond Defensive +/- or Defensive Win Shares, which oh by the way he is statistically better at than guys like Jaren Jackson, Nic Claxton, Deandre Ayton. But again, you wouldn’t believe stats like that. Even opponent FG%, he compares favorably with all those bigs who are considered good defenders. Not the best, but nowhere near the worse, not even bad.

Once people get it in their head that a player is one thing, they’re often reluctant to admit or acknowledge that the player could have improved. Joker just three seasons ago was a bad defender. Things really changed starting last season. If you want links to articles and you’ll actually read them, I can provide them. From basketball heads more informed and more geeked out than me.

Your own personal eye test really means nothing. It’s an opinion. A wrong opinion at that. I’ll give just one example why. Bigs like Embiid and Gobert play the pick-and-roll with drop coverage something like over 90% of the time. The PNR ballhandler uses the screen and takes a pretty much uncontested three and makes it, and most people aren’t blaming Embiid or Gobert for the three pointer, unless it’s someone like Curry and he made like 5 threes in a row in PNR. The last two seasons, Jokic, who used to play a lot of drop coverage in PNR, now hedges and then switches out on the perimeter on guards and wings. And the PNR ballhandler now has him in isolation and can drive by him for a lay-up. He WILL get blamed for getting beat off the dribble. But in reality, he just saved his team 1 point compared to Embiid and Gobert. Today’s game when teams are shooting threes one out of three field goal attempts or more and making them at a clip greater than ever before, blocked shots and altered shots in the paint matter less and less. Only a stubborn old head would put so much weight on big men blocking and altering shots as the primary factor in determining whether a big is a good defender or not. That’s not today’s game.

this tbh

[140]

It’s just a bad opinion. And yes, that opinion is only an opinion. Not factual at all. Facts and stats say otherwise. I could link articles but you’d likely not read them. I could site advanced stats but you’d likely dismiss them as flawed. But factually and actually, Nikola Jokic is not only not a defensive liability, he’s solid and sometimes even good defensively. That goes beyond just Defensive Rating, which hoops fans discredit as teammate reliant. It’s beyond Defensive +/- or Defensive Win Shares, which oh by the way he is statistically better at than guys like Jaren Jackson, Nic Claxton, Deandre Ayton. But again, you wouldn’t believe stats like that. Even opponent FG%, he compares favorably with all those bigs who are considered good defenders. Not the best, but nowhere near the worse, not even bad.

Once people get it in their head that a player is one thing, they’re often reluctant to admit or acknowledge that the player could have improved. Joker just three seasons ago was a bad defender. Things really changed starting last season. If you want links to articles and you’ll actually read them, I can provide them. From basketball heads more informed and more geeked out than me.

Your own personal eye test really means nothing. It’s an opinion. A wrong opinion at that. I’ll give just one example why. Bigs like Embiid and Gobert play the pick-and-roll with drop coverage something like over 90% of the time. The PNR ballhandler uses the screen and takes a pretty much uncontested three and makes it, and most people aren’t blaming Embiid or Gobert for the three pointer, unless it’s someone like Curry and he made like 5 threes in a row in PNR. The last two seasons, Jokic, who used to play a lot of drop coverage in PNR, now hedges and then switches out on the perimeter on guards and wings. And the PNR ballhandler now has him in isolation and can drive by him for a lay-up. He WILL get blamed for getting beat off the dribble. But in reality, he just saved his team 1 point compared to Embiid and Gobert. Today’s game when teams are shooting threes one out of three field goal attempts or more and making them at a clip greater than ever before, blocked shots and altered shots in the paint matter less and less. Only a stubborn old head would put so much weight on big men blocking and altering shots as the primary factor in determining whether a big is a good defender or not. That’s not today’s game.
so youre giving credit to jokic for switching and then getting burned on the switch? if thats the case then its just a matter of scheme and any big can be a good defender :lol im sure embiid and gobert can do that as well tbh

[JamStone]

so youre giving credit to jokic for switching and then getting burned on the switch? if thats the case then its just a matter of scheme and any big can be a good defender :lol im sure embiid and gobert can do that as well tbh

No I’m saying he’s playing a style of defense more appropriate to the style of play of today’s game. If he gets beat off the dribble for a lay-up, then he’s running them off the three point line. If bigs who drop into the paint in PNR end up giving up wide open three after wide open three, the way players shoot today, it’s worse imo. On the flip, any big defender can play drop coverage in pick and roll too, and give up wide open threes. And the same Jokic critics would say how bad his defense is for doing that.

Jokic switching out on the perimeter is actually good team defense in today’s game because of all the three point shooting. More and more teams are switching pretty much everything these days. It’s the right strategy against really good three point shooting teams or teams that all of a sudden get really hot from deep. Camping a 7 foot center in the paint is terrible defense in today’s league.

And for the criticism earlier someone posted about Jokic being taken out of a playoff game late for defense, well that’s also a product of today’s game with smallball line-ups. Same exact thing happened to three time DPOY Rudy Gobert couple playoffs ago. Same would happen to guys like Embiid or even in their primes Shaq or Tim Duncan if the opposing team trotted out five perimeter players who all shoot the three well for an important late possession.

[Seventyniner]

And for the criticism earlier someone posted about Jokic being taken out of a playoff game late for defense, well that’s also a product of today’s game with smallball line-ups. Same exact thing happened to three time DPOY Rudy Gobert couple playoffs ago. Same would happen to guys like Embiid or even in their primes Shaq or Tim Duncan if the opposing team trotted out five perimeter players who all shoot the three well for an important late possession.

It still hurts :cry

[Bill_Brasky]

It’s just a bad opinion. And yes, that opinion is only an opinion. Not factual at all. Facts and stats say otherwise. I could link articles but you’d likely not read them. I could site advanced stats but you’d likely dismiss them as flawed. But factually and actually, Nikola Jokic is not only not a defensive liability, he’s solid and sometimes even good defensively. That goes beyond just Defensive Rating, which hoops fans discredit as teammate reliant. It’s beyond Defensive +/- or Defensive Win Shares, which oh by the way he is statistically better at than guys like Jaren Jackson, Nic Claxton, Deandre Ayton. But again, you wouldn’t believe stats like that. Even opponent FG%, he compares favorably with all those bigs who are considered good defenders. Not the best, but nowhere near the worse, not even bad.

Once people get it in their head that a player is one thing, they’re often reluctant to admit or acknowledge that the player could have improved. Joker just three seasons ago was a bad defender. Things really changed starting last season. If you want links to articles and you’ll actually read them, I can provide them. From basketball heads more informed and more geeked out than me.

Your own personal eye test really means nothing. It’s an opinion. A wrong opinion at that. I’ll give just one example why. Bigs like Embiid and Gobert play the pick-and-roll with drop coverage something like over 90% of the time. The PNR ballhandler uses the screen and takes a pretty much uncontested three and makes it, and most people aren’t blaming Embiid or Gobert for the three pointer, unless it’s someone like Curry and he made like 5 threes in a row in PNR. The last two seasons, Jokic, who used to play a lot of drop coverage in PNR, now hedges and then switches out on the perimeter on guards and wings. And the PNR ballhandler now has him in isolation and can drive by him for a lay-up. He WILL get blamed for getting beat off the dribble. But in reality, he just saved his team 1 point compared to Embiid and Gobert. Today’s game when teams are shooting threes one out of three field goal attempts or more and making them at a clip greater than ever before, blocked shots and altered shots in the paint matter less and less. Only a stubborn old head would put so much weight on big men blocking and altering shots as the primary factor in determining whether a big is a good defender or not. That’s not today’s game.

I watch the guy. On the defensive end, he watches on as people get easy layin buckets. He never offers a good contest. He gets burned in pick n rolls. He's not a good defensive player. Go watch his highlight reel. There isn't a defensive play on there. I don't need to look at stats and metrics to know that. Good defensive players are just noticeably good on that end. If you have to go do a bunch of cherry picking and look at all these saber metrics to prove to me that a player is good at defense, he's probably not that good at defense.

You seem to think rim protection isn't important but it always will be. When you have a player making people think twice about layups, that has a huge mental effect on the other team and puts way more pressure on them to make outside shots. Especially in a playoff series.

You're telling me that the numbers suggest Jokic to be a better defender than the guy who is probably going to win DPOY. That means those numbers probably aren't the best way to measure it.

[TD 21]

I think you have zero context. Your idea of propping up a team is the 6th seed and a first round bounce. I have higher standards. He hasn't been more impactful than Giannis as his team has won more than Jokic and Giannis actually plays defense. You have the same tired argument that people had for Westbrick when he won it. Well look at his team, they would be nothing without him. Yeah but they aren't much with him either.

And to Frost, yeah I do care about MVPs. Who doesn't? Not everything is rings. If that were the case everybody would have Pippen ranked as the best SF of all time. But he isn't. or Draymond would be better than Barkley. But he isn't. And when you factor in it would be his 3rd MVP in a row then you have to start caring. But if you want to bring up Durant cheapening ring, that's ok. But to me, Lebron did that already years ago. Durant is a beta. Everybody knows it. But even beta Durant is a better player than Jokic and the fact this guy is gonna win his 3rd straight award is garbage.

:lmao I provided it, your just spouted results without context. Jokic made the Nuggets about as good as they could possibly be, is a better defender than given credit for (terrible rim protector though) and comparing him to Westbrook is absurd.

Jokic definitely been more impactful than Antetokounmpo in the regular season, you're just a typical casual reliant on counting stats and record instead of catch all advanced metrics, on-off, etc.

James didn't cheapen the value of rings, Durant/Warriors and Scumbag did.

[JamStone]

I watch the guy. On the defensive end, he watches on as people get easy layin buckets. He never offers a good contest. He gets burned in pick n rolls. He's not a good defensive player. Go watch his highlight reel. There isn't a defensive play on there. I don't need to look at stats and metrics to know that. Good defensive players are just noticeably good on that end. If you have to go do a bunch of cherry picking and look at all these saber metrics to prove to me that a player is good at defense, he's probably not that good at defense.

You seem to think rim protection isn't important but it always will be. When you have a player making people think twice about layups, that has a huge mental effect on the other team and puts way more pressure on them to make outside shots. Especially in a playoff series.

You're telling me that the numbers suggest Jokic to be a better defender than the guy who is probably going to win DPOY. That means those numbers probably aren't the best way to measure it.

Your “I watched the guy” argument is compelling... Sounds like, “trust me, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.”

Let’s get right into it. Jokic is 1st in the entire league in Defensive box plus minus. Entire league, regardless of position. He is 15th in the entire league in Defensive Rating. 10th in Defensive Win shares. Now in and of themselves, you can try to argue each stat is flawed or incomplete. But when you take them in totality, your argument starts to look silly. And then you look at the players ranked ahead and around him in each stat, and all of them are regarded as good, even great defenders. You start realizing that it’s not that those stats are flawed. It’s more likely your opinion is just wrong. Maybe one stat is a fluke that Jokic is ranked so high. But all three of those advanced defensive stats where all the other highly ranked players are perceived as good defenders? You really going to believe that? Like really, really? It’s not cherry picking stats. Cherry picking stats is using one stat (blocked shots) and using only that stat to argue a player is not good defensively.

Jokic is not an elite run and jump athlete. Because of that, he’s not a shot blocker or a shot alterer at the rim. So how does he make up for it? By being a good team defender, one who actively switches, communicates with his teammates, and takes advantage of his anticipation skills and quick hands. Not quick physically, but quick in anticipation. Jokic is 20th in the league in steals per game, leads all centers in steals. Moreover, he’s 12th in the entire league in deflections (advanced stat on nba.com), again the top center in the category in which no other center is in the top 30. Gets in the passing lane, deflects passes, collects steals better than any other center in the league. To make up for his lack of rim protection. Plus, he’s 1st in Defensive rebounding percentage, 2nd to Giannis in Defensive rebounds per game. So when the other team misses, he closes out the defensive possession by securing the rebound better than anyone in the league. So there is that.

We can get into opponent FG% too (also on nba.com), but that’s an entire other huge, long ass post itself...

I’ll just also respond to the rim protection argument. It’s not that blocks or altered shots don’t matter at all. They’re just not nearly as important to good team defense now. If your team is really good offensively and you play good team defense, you don’t need great shot blocking, particularly helpside shot blocking. Golden State in their last three titles has proven that. Boston this season has proven that. Do they have some shot blocking? Yeah, some. But their team defense doesn’t rely on it. They rely more on staying in front of their man as much as possible, switching all the way out to the three point line, and not helping or doubling.

I feel like I’m trying to explain the Earth’s rotation to Kyrie Irving. The NBA, hell basketball in general, has changed. It’s not whether you like how the game is played today or not, whether you find it aesthetically pleasing, or despise all the open court three point chucking. You can hate it. But it’s not only reality that it’s how the game is played now, but it’s how winning basketball is played now. The top four teams in three point attempts per game are Golden State, Boston, Dallas, and Milwaukee. All of them take at least 45% of their field goal attempts from behind three. Three of them are legit title contenders, and the other, Dallas, has one of the best rated offenses in the league despite being one of the slowest in pace. That’s the game today. So contesting the three point line at all five positions, getting back in transition to the three point line are more important defensive factors than blocking and altering shots in the paint. Players today don’t give a shit at getting their shot blocked. There’s no mental edge to blocking shots. Teams now shoot so many threes that they’d rather a 7-footer camp in the lane, because that means with good ball movement, someone will get a wide open look from three. Pressure to hit outside shots? Players today will go 0-for-8 and they’re still going to chuck the next open three. Yeah, sure... a lot of pressure.

You know why Jokic generally doesn’t attempt to contest at the rim? It’s because if you’re not a shot blocker and you try to contest some of these world class athletes trying to dunk at the rim, you’ll often just give up and-ones. It’d be the same as criticizing Tre Jones as a defender for him not blocking more shots. If you’re not a shotblocker, don’t try to be. But it’s hard for people who can’t look big picture to see that. Jokic trying to contest and block shots at the rim only gives the other team more opportunities to for extra points at the free throw line and piles up fouls on Denver’s most important player.

[Bill_Brasky]

Your “I watched the guy” argument is compelling... Sounds like, “trust me, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.”

Let’s get right into it. Jokic is 1st in the entire league in Defensive box plus minus. Entire league, regardless of position. He is 15th in the entire league in Defensive Rating. 10th in Defensive Win shares. Now in and of themselves, you can try to argue each stat is flawed or incomplete. But when you take them in totality, your argument starts to look silly. And then you look at the players ranked ahead and around him in each stat, and all of them are regarded as good, even great defenders. You start realizing that it’s not that those stats are flawed. It’s more likely your opinion is just wrong. Maybe one stat is a fluke that Jokic is ranked so high. But all three of those advanced defensive stats where all the other highly ranked players are perceived as good defenders? You really going to believe that? Like really, really? It’s not cherry picking stats. Cherry picking stats is using one stat (blocked shots) and using only that stat to argue a player is not good defensively.

Jokic is not an elite run and jump athlete. Because of that, he’s not a shot blocker or a shot alterer at the rim. So how does he make up for it? By being a good team defender, one who actively switches, communicates with his teammates, and takes advantage of his anticipation skills and quick hands. Not quick physically, but quick in anticipation. Jokic is 20th in the league in steals per game, leads all centers in steals. Moreover, he’s 12th in the entire league in deflections (advanced stat on nba.com), again the top center in the category in which no other center is in the top 30. Gets in the passing lane, deflects passes, collects steals better than any other center in the league. To make up for his lack of rim protection. Plus, he’s 1st in Defensive rebounding percentage, 2nd to Giannis in Defensive rebounds per game. So when the other team misses, he closes out the defensive possession by securing the rebound better than anyone in the league. So there is that.

We can get into opponent FG% too (also on nba.com), but that’s an entire other huge, long ass post itself...

I’ll just also respond to the rim protection argument. It’s not that blocks or altered shots don’t matter at all. They’re just not nearly as important to good team defense now. If your team is really good offensively and you play good team defense, you don’t need great shot blocking, particularly helpside shot blocking. Golden State in their last three titles has proven that. Boston this season has proven that. Do they have some shot blocking? Yeah, some. But their team defense doesn’t rely on it. They rely more on staying in front of their man as much as possible, switching all the way out to the three point line, and not helping or doubling.

I feel like I’m trying to explain the Earth’s rotation to Kyrie Irving. The NBA, hell basketball in general, has changed. It’s not whether you like how the game is played today or not, whether you find it aesthetically pleasing, or despise all the open court three point chucking. You can hate it. But it’s not only reality that it’s how the game is played now, but it’s how winning basketball is played now. The top four teams in three point attempts per game are Golden State, Boston, Dallas, and Milwaukee. All of them take at least 45% of their field goal attempts from behind three. Three of them are legit title contenders, and the other, Dallas, has one of the best rated offenses in the league despite being one of the slowest in pace. That’s the game today. So contesting the three point line at all five positions, getting back in transition to the three point line are more important defensive factors than blocking and altering shots in the paint. Players today don’t give a shit at getting their shot blocked. There’s no mental edge to blocking shots. Teams now shoot so many threes that they’d rather a 7-footer camp in the lane, because that means with good ball movement, someone will get a wide open look from three. Pressure to hit outside shots? Players today will go 0-for-8 and they’re still going to chuck the next open three. Yeah, sure... a lot of pressure.

You know why Jokic generally doesn’t attempt to contest at the rim? It’s because if you’re not a shot blocker and you try to contest some of these world class athletes trying to dunk at the rim, you’ll often just give up and-ones. It’d be the same as criticizing Tre Jones as a defender for him not blocking more shots. If you’re not a shotblocker, don’t try to be. But it’s hard for people who can’t look big picture to see that. Jokic trying to contest and block shots at the rim only gives the other team more opportunities to for extra points at the free throw line and piles up fouls on Denver’s most important player.

Jesus christ. He's a good defender because he deflects a lot of passes? Wow. All these PER and BPM stats way overrate efficiency. According to those stats Jokic is also the GOAT. He is better than Michael Jordan and LeBron James according to those stats. I know not one soul that would argue that to be the case. Come on man, you're a Pistons fan. You know what a good defender is.

And yeah your last paragraph sums it up. He doesn't have the athleticism to be a good defender. He can try really hard and be in good position all he wants but in a playoff series he is exposed. He is not an elite 2-way player that can carry a team to a championship and that's why he hasn't. Even in their deepest playoff run Jamal Murray outplayed him. Of course when he gets eliminated from the playoffs, again, i'm sure it will be "but he had the highest PER of any eliminated player ever! He's so disrespected!"

I know the NBA has changed. The top 20 offenses in NBA history are all from the last 2 years. Another reason i do not take any of these stats seriously.

[KobesAchilles]

:lmao I provided it, your just spouted results without context. Jokic made the Nuggets about as good as they could possibly be, is a better defender than given credit for (terrible rim protector though) and comparing him to Westbrook is absurd.

Jokic definitely been more impactful than Antetokounmpo in the regular season, you're just a typical casual reliant on counting stats and record instead of catch all advanced metrics, on-off, etc.

James didn't cheapen the value of rings, Durant/Warriors and Scumbag did.
So the best they could be was the 6th seed. And we are handing out MVPs for that now? I did provide context. He shouldn’t have won last year. Your argument is the exact same one people used in defense of Westbrook. So laughing at the comparison is laughing at yourself. Even you admit he didn’t deserve mvp last year. Westbrook carried his team as far as they could go also buddy.

Idgaf about advanced metrics if they don’t result in wins. By your own admittance DRob is the like 4th greatest player ever using advanced stats and advanced stats in the 90s say he should’ve won mvp 4 straight years. Winning has to count. You don’t play for advanced stats you play to win.

And saying he’s better on defense than people give him credit for is stupid. He still sucks on defense and pic n roll defense which is the entire damn offense he is guarding. So you can defend Jokic all you want, praise him all you want.

Bow down TD21 to the only ringless 3x MVP. Bow down to another second round exit. Bow down to a player taken out late in games bc they can’t defend. Bow down to advanced stats but not advanced winning. Bow down to the nerds handing out trophies by FedEx since the guy isn’t even in the postseason the receive it.

On a side note Steve Nash will be very happy bc finally the media will have a new whipping boy on the worst MVPs.

[TD 21]

So the best they could be was the 6th seed. And we are handing out MVPs for that now? I did provide context. He shouldn’t have won last year. Your argument is the exact same one people used in defense of Westbrook. So laughing at the comparison is laughing at yourself. Even you admit he didn’t deserve mvp last year. Westbrook carried his team as far as they could go also buddy.

Idgaf about advanced metrics if they don’t result in wins. By your own admittance DRob is the like 4th greatest player ever using advanced stats and advanced stats in the 90s say he should’ve won mvp 4 straight years. Winning has to count. You don’t play for advanced stats you play to win.

And saying he’s better on defense than people give him credit for is stupid. He still sucks on defense and pic n roll defense which is the entire damn offense he is guarding. So you can defend Jokic all you want, praise him all you want.

Bow down TD21 to the only ringless 3x MVP. Bow down to another second round exit. Bow down to a player taken out late in games bc they can’t defend. Bow down to advanced stats but not advanced winning. Bow down to the nerds handing out trophies by FedEx since the guy isn’t even in the postseason the receive it.

On a side note Steve Nash will be very happy bc finally the media will have a new whipping boy on the worst MVPs.

Again leaving out context: Without their 2nd and 3rd/4th best player, in a deep conference.

Westbrook is a disgraceful player who had narrative (sympathy/irrelevant triple doubles that he would blatantly seek out to the point where the team was complicit in his pursuit) surrounding him. Jokic is a historically great player.

:lmao Typical old school fool mentality: If if didn't exist when you were young and/or you don't understand something, then naturally it must be stupid.

If the highest impact player in the league could "only" lead them to 6th, what does that tell you? And why should an individual award be heavily dependent on record without context in a team sport?

Except the numbers say the only area of defense he sucks at it protecting the rim. Of course, occasionally the elite pull up shooters will do damage or dance on him in space, but that happens against virtually everyone.

[lefty]

Jokic definitely has a huge positive impact on his team

[Chris Fall]

There are some people who just can't wrap their head around the fact that a slow, pudgy Euro who can't jump can be so good. Truth is the last two seasons in particular, Joker is legitimately putting up historically ridiculous NBA seasons. Like shit we've never seen before historic. And yes, greatest of all time type of seasons. It's the regular season. Criticism that he hasn't won shit in the playoffs is fair. But it doesn't take away from the greatness of what he's been doing in the regular season. That's what the league MVP is. A regular season award.

Criticism about his defense is horseshit. No one plays great defense in the league anymore, certainly not most superstar players. Ask Giannis where his defense was last post season in the Boston series when Jayson Tatum was lighting the Bucks up. You can't play great defense anymore so why is it such a sticking point with Joker?

[Bill_Brasky]

There are some people who just can't wrap their head around the fact that a slow, pudgy Euro who can't jump can be so good. Truth is the last two seasons in particular, Joker is legitimately putting up historically ridiculous NBA seasons. Like shit we've never seen before historic. And yes, greatest of all time type of seasons. It's the regular season. Criticism that he hasn't won shit in the playoffs is fair. But it doesn't take away from the greatness of what he's been doing in the regular season. That's what the league MVP is. A regular season award.

Criticism about his defense is horseshit. No one plays great defense in the league anymore, certainly not most superstar players. Ask Giannis where his defense was last post season in the Boston series when Jayson Tatum was lighting the Bucks up. You can't play great defense anymore so why is it such a sticking point with Joker?



The best 20 offenses in NBA history have been from the last 2 seasons. So historic!

Is Jokic making the chasedown block on Iguodala? Is he making the game saving block against Deandre Ayton? Fuck no.

Yall clowns tryna put this dude in the same category as Wilt, Russell, Bird, is fucking comical.

[Chris Fall]

The best 20 offenses in NBA history have been from the last 2 seasons. So historic!

Is Jokic making the chasedown block on Iguodala? Is he making the game saving block against Deandre Ayton? Fuck no.

Yall clowns tryna put this dude in the same category as Wilt, Russell, Bird, is fucking comical.


What exactly are you trying to argue with the blocked shots? Most centers aren't getting chasedown blocks in transition. Embiid isn't. Gobert isn't. Are you going to criticize their defense because they wouldn't get a transition chasedown on Iguodala either? The Giannis block on Ayton was spectacular. There are only a handful of guys in the league that could have done that. Anthony Davis, Allen and Mobley, maybe Myles Turner. LeBron in his MVP prime isn't making that block on Ayton. So what's your point? Tayshaun Prince had one of the best chasedown blocks in playoff history. One of the best chasedown blocks of the last couple seasons was Maxi Kleber on Deaaron Fox. Do those blocks mean those players are great? MVP caliber guys? What's your point again?

Btw, Joker has multiple game saving blocks under his belt, including one on a dunk attempt by Zion. And Iast season, old ass Al Horford gave Giannis an armpit face wash so hard, Giannis couldn't get up off the floor. I've seen bumass Kyle Kuzna rub his junk all over Joel Embiid's chin and chest.

Wth is your point about blocked shots anyway?

[Bill_Brasky]

What exactly are you trying to argue with the blocked shots? Most centers aren't getting chasedown blocks in transition. Embiid isn't. Gobert isn't. Are you going to criticize their defense because they wouldn't get a transition chasedown on Iguodala either? The Giannis block on Ayton was spectacular. There are only a handful of guys in the league that could have done that. Anthony Davis, Allen and Mobley, maybe Myles Turner. LeBron in his MVP prime isn't making that block on Ayton. So what's your point? Tayshaun Prince had one of the best chasedown blocks in playoff history. One of the best chasedown blocks of the last couple seasons was Maxi Kleber on Deaaron Fox. Do those blocks mean those players are great? MVP caliber guys? What's your point again?

Btw, Joker has multiple game saving blocks under his belt, including one on a dunk attempt by Zion. And Iast season, old ass Al Horford gave Giannis an armpit face wash so hard, Giannis couldn't get up off the floor. I've seen bumass Kyle Kuzna rub his junk all over Joel Embiid's chin and chest.

Wth is your point about blocked shots anyway?

I'm just pointing out instances where all-time great players made all-time great defensive plays, because that's what they do. When you award someone 3 MVPs in a row, you are putting them in that category.

LeBron, Giannis, Jokic....one of these things is not like the others....

[baseline bum]

I hope they first knock off the Lakers with Westbrook having a big series then lose the next one.

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[FrostKing]

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[Biggems]

The Nuggets are the only ABA team to never make the NBA Finals. The Spurs are the only ABA team to win the NBA Finals

[daslicer]

I'm cool with anybody but the Warriors winning it all. They are an insufferable bunch and I hate their style of play. They have ruined the league in the sense because they spawned a bunch of copycats. The sooner they lose the sooner the league slowly transitions away from trying to mimic their style of play.

[lefty]

I'm cool with anybody but the Warriors winning it all. They are an insufferable bunch and I hate their style of play. They have ruined the league in the sense because they spawned a bunch of copycats. The sooner they lose the sooner the league slowly transitions away from trying to mimic their style of play.
There is nothing wrong with their style of play, lot of passing, off the ball movement, cutting (ok some illegal screens tho)
And they didn’t force other teams to copy them

Bur I agree on the insufferable part lol

[Chris Fall]

There is nothing wrong with their style of play, lot of passing, off the ball movement, passing
Amd they didn’t for e other teams to copy them

Bur I agree on the insufferable part lol

Exactly. Golden State still has a really great style of play offensively. But it requires the historic shooting talents of Steph and Klay and maybe even Poole, and the unique talent of Draymond as a ballhandler, decisionmaker, passer, and illegal screener. Teams can't really copy it without having that kind of dynamic. But there's nothing unappealing about their style of play.

It's the personalities of their players that is off-putting and annoying. And it's no longer just Draymond. Steph has become a giant shimmying assclown. Klay with his constant "disrespect" shtick has a punchable face. Poole is their younger bitch brother.

I hope they're completely healthy and get bounced in the playoff or first round. That would be entertaining.

[MultiTroll]

Is this a delicious Karma sandwich?

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[lefty]

Exactly. Golden State still has a really great style of play offensively. But it requires the historic shooting talents of Steph and Klay and maybe even Poole, and the unique talent of Draymond as a ballhandler, decisionmaker, passer, and illegal screener. Teams can't really copy it without having that kind of dynamic. But there's nothing unappealing about their style of play.

It's the personalities of their players that is off-putting and annoying. And it's no longer just Draymond. Steph has become a giant shimmying assclown. Klay with his constant "disrespect" shtick has a punchable face. Poole is their younger bitch brother.

I hope they're completely healthy and get bounced in the playoff or first round. That would be entertaining.

I hope so too

[daslicer]

There is nothing wrong with their style of play, lot of passing, off the ball movement, cutting (ok some illegal screens tho)
Amd they didn’t for e other teams to copy them

Bur I agree on the insufferable part lol

You can say I'm biased, but I don't enjoy how they brought the 3-point chuck ball fest into the league that's what I was referring to as a copycat league with the rest of the league trying to copy their style. Yes, you are right they have great passing when it comes to getting open, but I hate the 3-point shot. Don't enjoy seeing how they are able to win a ton of games over the year playing like shit and are suddenly able to comeback within 5 minutes from a 20–25-point deficit due to Curry and Klay jacking up a bunch of 3's.

I'm realistic though to know that it's never going away but I do think we have reached an extreme peak with 3-point attempts and that when the Warriors are no longer contenders it will go down to a happy medium.

[lefty]

You can say I'm biased, but I don't enjoy how they brought the 3-point chuck ball fest into the league that's what I was referring to as a copycat league with the rest of the league trying to copy their style. Yes, you are right they have great passing when it comes to getting open, but I hate the 3-point shot. Don't enjoy seeing how they are able to win a ton of games over the year playing like shit and are suddenly able to comeback within 5 minutes from a 20–25-point deficit due to Curry and Klay jacking up a bunch of 3's.

I'm realistic though to know that it's never going away but I do think we have reached an extreme peak with 3-point attempts and that when the Warriors are no longer contenders it will go down to a happy medium.

They don’t chck 3s like let’s say the D’Antoni Rockets
They shoot in rythm and have all time great 3 pt shooters
And people act they only shoot 3s, which is weird , it’s like they have never watched a Warriors game

And copycats? not their problem i f other teams can’t identify their own strengths

I can’t stand the Warriors, but they play one of the most beautiful team basketball of all time.
I would rather watch than shitty 90s iso ball

[daslicer]

Thry don’t chck 3s like let’s say the D’Antoni Rockets
They shoot in rythm and have all time great 3 pt shooters
And people act they only shoot 3s, which is weird , it’s like they have never watched a Warriors game

And copycats? not their problem i f other teams can’t identify their own strengths

I can’t stand the Warriors, but they play one of the most beautiful team basketball of all time.
I would rather watch than shitty 90s iso ball

Do you lack reading comprehension? I said "Yes, you are right they have great passing when it comes to getting open". The problem is other teams attempt to copy their style and it turns into an ugly 3 point chuckfest. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Nothing is beautiful in watching Draymond and their other bigs set illegal screens to get their shooters a bunch of easy 3's that are not contested. Nothing is beautiful in watching Draymond be allowed to hack and grab along with fouling guys and not getting called for it.

Also, the Warriors do go through stretches I have seen in the past during games where they are down by huge margins and just start chucking up 3's. That's one of the reasons like I said I hate watching them get rewarded winning games when they are down 20 and can just turn to jacking up as many 3's as possible. They are better at it than other teams because they have all-time great shooters. Before you jump the gun, I did not say they play the whole entire game like this, but they have stretches where they do.

Did I ever say copycat teams are their problem? That is a stupid statement you made. I said they have influenced a bunch of poor copycats and it makes the league unwatchable. These teams won't stop being poor copycat versions of the Warriors until the Warriors are officially done. Teams across the league always try to emulate the champions' style of play which in the past wasn't doable because the previous teams that had won titles their systems were not easy to replicate. I'm not saying the Warriors is but it's much easier for teams to attempt to be a copycat of them vs running the Bulls Triangle, Lakers Triangle, or the '00 Spurs motion offense and defense. This in return has made the league boring because there is no longer diversity of different playing styles among teams.

You have to be one of the lamest posters with your "90's" troll shtick. I actually like the '00s more than the '90s when it came to basketball. The happy medium I felt for fans who hated Iso ball and defense but wanted more offense and passing was the early 2010's. I think both sides were satisfied during that time and after 2015 it went to the extremes of what I call the 3-point chuck fest and no defense era.

[MultiTroll]

I can’t stand the Warriors, but they play one of the most beautiful team basketball of all time.
Moderators please pink.

86 Celts
2014 Spurs

WarriorRef might be in the top 30.

[lefty]

Moderators please pink.

86 Celts
2014 Spurs

WarriorRef might be in the top 30.
I said one of the, not the , lol

[MultiTroll]

I said one of the, not the , lol
Their ball movement is indeed excellent, and better then most
:lol Todays NBA Kobmes

Celtics 3-2 choke just pathetc. Could have nullified some of the false worship.

[Bill_Brasky]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1634568492660948993?s=20

"Good defender"

[FrostKing]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1634568492660948993?s=20

"Good defender"
Atleast he suits up :lol

The WCF standings are flipped. Does Jokic have better roster around him than Grizzlies?

There is truth that in the big picture Jokic has more accolades than Giannis and yet the later carried a team deep multiple times. This season with the supposed weak Western Conference is make or break for Nikola.

[Bill_Brasky]

You have a soon to be 3 times in a row MVP winner as the first seed in the west. But "the west is wide open". This shit does not add up.

[MultiTroll]

Just to finalize a bet outcome i watched a bit of the Warriors - Pelicans game last night.

Golden Phaggots are still my #1 team to wish to see ousted. ASAP.

[lefty]

Atleast he suits up :lol

:lol at The Processed Meat ducking the matchup

[MultiTroll]

Atleast he suits up :lol

The WCF standings are flipped. Does Jokic have better roster around him than Grizzlies?

There is truth that in the big picture Jokic has more accolades than Giannis and yet the later carried a team deep multiple times. This season with the supposed weak Western Conference is make or break for Nikola.
When Holiday and Middleton bring their A game, and both are super inconsistent......
Freak most definitely has a chance.

When they don't, picture Timmy Dunks with Matty Bonner and washed Pet Michael Finley locking down the front court.

So, in what playoffs has Jokic had support the equivalent of A Game J Holiday and Middleton? For that matter when Brook Lopez is on he is very good.
To this day i think Plumlee threw the end of the game in the ABC / Disney Bubble Bowl. Would have been 1-1.

[MultiTroll]

I'm cool with anybody but the Warriors winning it all. They are an insufferable bunch and I hate their style of play. They have ruined the league in the sense because they spawned a bunch of copycats. The sooner they lose the sooner the league slowly transitions away from trying to mimic their style of play.
Golden Phags still my #1 choice to get exterminated.

2. Durbetta bandwaggon Sons

[Arcadian]

Literally the only teams I hate are Lakers and Warriors. Every other team I'm cool with. Bonus points for franchises that never won a ring before.

[daslicer]

Golden Phags still my #1 choice to get exterminated.

2. Durbetta bandwaggon Sons

Hopefully the Warriors go down with not having HCA for the whole entire playoffs.

[Rummpd]

Lakers most entitled. LBJ is LBJ NON GOAT and Davis is all time NBA quitter for what he did in sitting out for Pelicans and demanding a trade. Plus they have a coach named HAM that acts like is accomplished like Pop or Jackson. Go Memphis

[The Gemini Method]

1. Boston
2. Clippers

Though Boston for sure. Anyone else it wouldn't matter.

[lefty]

1. Boston
2. Clippers

Though Boston for sure. Anyone else it wouldn't matter.

:lol no surprise here

[MultiTroll]

Suns


Suns due to how cocky they are now that they got tarantula with the Grizzlies right behind them tbh due to their obnoxious fans.


Durbeta's Sons.


1. Suns. I can't stand anybody on the team now

3. GS. They have my respect but I don't want them tying the Spurs


Easily the Suns

Paul & Durant getting their 1st Rings under these circumstances is worst scenario


Dubs


Tier 1: Warriors,


I'm cool with anybody but the Warriors winning it all. They are an insufferable bunch and I hate their style of play. They have ruined the league in the sense because they spawned a bunch of copycats. The sooner they lose the sooner the league slowly transitions away from trying to mimic their style of play.

We're off to a good start.
Good to see the healthy amount of Warrior hate on board.

Another not subtle cheap play by Donkey with the game on the line vs Sac Game 1. Thankfully it did not impact outcome.

Sons appear to be running #2 on boards Most Wanted Ousted. Russel Westbrook in the clutch on O and D. Who knew.

[MultiTroll]

https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/36201338

You guys check out what Donkey Coward does at the begining of the clip, when the Dubs shoot for the attempt to win. Watch the rebound how Donkey
1. Locks his arm around Sabonis leg and pushes backwards with his feet forcing Sabonis down. A wrestling move.
2. Now watch what he does to keep Sabonis on the floor.

No call of course.

[MultiTroll]

Here it tis:
1647442358760525824

NBA Fan Calls Out Draymond Green For Dirty Move That Prevented Domantas Sabonis From Playing In Clutch Time (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-fan-calls-out-draymond-green-for-dirty-move-that-prevented-domantas-sabonis-from-playing-in-clutch-time/ar-AA19VPkB?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4b9b46ffbf334f3b892a0c971d9e6b93&ei=15)

[Millennial_Messiah]

You can say I'm biased, but I don't enjoy how they brought the 3-point chuck ball fest into the league that's what I was referring to as a copycat league with the rest of the league trying to copy their style. Yes, you are right they have great passing when it comes to getting open, but I hate the 3-point shot. Don't enjoy seeing how they are able to win a ton of games over the year playing like shit and are suddenly able to comeback within 5 minutes from a 20–25-point deficit due to Curry and Klay jacking up a bunch of 3's.

I'm realistic though to know that it's never going away but I do think we have reached an extreme peak with 3-point attempts and that when the Warriors are no longer contenders it will go down to a happy medium.

I agree with everything you said

I probably won't watch the NBA again until it goes back to the glory days of Stern (not my favorite guy, he rigged some games and all, but at least he kept a lid on the neo-progressive shit like ads on jerseys, 498637 different jerseys per team and home stadiums getting painted different colors every other home game crap like today... also the norm should always be home whites and away colors, don't know why the league under Silver has completely opened Pandora's box like that)...

I miss the 90s-Jordan era basketball, Nets-Spurs 2003 / Pistons-Spurs 2004-2005 style basketball. To me that's really what basketball is all about. Points at a premium, cheap ticky-tack stuff not usually called by refs, defense is king, everyone on both sides fighting for every loose ball, and the objective on offense is to get to the rim and only shoot threes as a last resort or if wiiiiiide open.

[Spurs Homer]

GS -

never have i hated a team more - well other than the kobe/shaq phaggots -

but i hate the warriors so much that earlier this season i forced myself to watch a clippers/warriors game and absolutely hated that either one of those teams was going to win that particular game -

i was dumbfounded as to who i should actually root for /who did i actually hate more -

welp - i ended up - deciding that if FORCED TO CHOOSE AT GUNPOINT -

i guess the traitor retard kawhitter was LESS hated than the gs phaggots -

i now also hate the NEW warrior players just as much as the asshole 3 pt chuckers and the asshole dirty donkey kunt -

just so much to hate on that piece of shit team

[daslicer]

I agree with everything you said

I probably won't watch the NBA again until it goes back to the glory days of Stern (not my favorite guy, he rigged some games and all, but at least he kept a lid on the neo-progressive shit like ads on jerseys, 498637 different jerseys per team and home stadiums getting painted different colors every other home game crap like today... also the norm should always be home whites and away colors, don't know why the league under Silver has completely opened Pandora's box like that)...

I miss the 90s-Jordan era basketball, Nets-Spurs 2003 / Pistons-Spurs 2004-2005 style basketball. To me that's really what basketball is all about. Points at a premium, cheap ticky-tack stuff not usually called by refs, defense is king, everyone on both sides fighting for every loose ball, and the objective on offense is to get to the rim and only shoot threes as a last resort or if wiiiiiide open.

Agreed I always enjoyed great defense over offense. You can't measure the true greatness of a player until he faces a great defense and then you get to see from a competitive standpoint of what he's made of. I also felt when defenses were allowed to be stronger it forced guys to be more competitive and work harder because if they didn't, they would get embarrassed by having a terrible offensive game.

[daslicer]

GS -

never have i hated a team more - well other than the kobe/shaq phaggots -

but i hate the warriors so much that earlier this season i forced myself to watch a clippers/warriors game and absolutely hated that either one of those teams was going to win that particular game -

i was dumbfounded as to who i should actually root for /who did i actually hate more -

welp - i ended up - deciding that if FORCED TO CHOOSE AT GUNPOINT -

i guess the traitor retard kawhitter was LESS hated than the gs phaggots -

i now also hate the NEW warrior players just as much as the asshole 3 pt chuckers and the asshole dirty donkey kunt -

just so much to hate on that piece of shit team


Agreed I feel the same way. I will never respect Kawhi as a person for what he did to the Spurs but my hatred of him is over. He's a great player but he's high maintenance and drives even Clipper fans nuts with his load management. Sure, he might get lucky and cough up 1 title with the clippers, but he will then be useless for the next 4 years just like he was after he left Toronto. As weird as it sounds, I'm glad he's not on the Spurs because his high maintenance act would drive me nuts granted, I do wish the Spurs got more in return for him than what they did due to him sabotaging his value.

Warriors on the other hand are just so much more hateable in the grand scheme of things when it comes to basketball. They are just a toxic entity with the 3-point chucking they have brought to basketball combined with their arrogance, showboating, dirty play from Draymond and Kerr's constant bitching at the refs.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Agreed I always enjoyed great defense over offense. You can't measure the true greatness of a player until he faces a great defense and then you get to see from a competitive standpoint of what he's made of. I also felt when defenses were allowed to be stronger it forced guys to be more competitive and work harder because if they didn't, they would get embarrassed by having a terrible offensive game.

Yeah. That's why I have zero respect for Stefanie Carry, Durdominoes and to an extent Lebeta as well

Back in the day you didn't bandwagon a superteam early in your career or "recruit" rival superstars across the league to come and form a super team. MJ won 6 titles with Pippen in the 90s but he didn't go telling Barkley and David Robinson to join the Bulls because ya, know, Chicago was a little weak up front. Toni Kukoc was more Matt Bonner than Luka Doncic.

If you're a HOFer that didn't win a ring in your day, after 15+ years on the same team, because ya know, other guys like MJ, the Auburn Hills Michigan Bad Boys, Lakers and Celtics and Hakeem were hogging all the titles... You didn't go join a super team in the prime of your career... You waited until the very tail end of it and then joined on as a role player. Guys like Barkley and Malone did that at the end of their career which is fine because their teams were ready to move on anyway. It didn't get them a ring anyway. Pippen sort of bandwagoned at the end too to try and get a 7th but no dice. The only one that had any luck at all was Gary Payton on his THIRD bandwagon team in three years and then he wisely called it a career. But he was coming off the bench for crying out loud in Miami.

[daslicer]

Yeah. That's why I have zero respect for Stefanie Carry, Durdominoes and to an extent Lebeta as well

Back in the day you didn't bandwagon a superteam early in your career or "recruit" rival superstars across the league to come and form a super team. MJ won 6 titles with Pippen in the 90s but he didn't go telling Barkley and David Robinson to join the Bulls because ya, know, Chicago was a little weak up front. Toni Kukoc was more Matt Bonner than Luka Doncic.

If you're a HOFer that didn't win a ring in your day, after 15+ years on the same team, because ya know, other guys like MJ, the Auburn Hills Michigan Bad Boys, Lakers and Celtics and Hakeem were hogging all the titles... You didn't go join a super team in the prime of your career... You waited until the very tail end of it and then joined on as a role player. Guys like Barkley and Malone did that at the end of their career which is fine because their teams were ready to move on anyway. It didn't get them a ring anyway. Pippen sort of bandwagoned at the end too to try and get a 7th but no dice. The only one that had any luck at all was Gary Payton on his THIRD bandwagon team in three years and then he wisely called it a career. But he was coming off the bench for crying out loud in Miami.

I grew up in NC during the 90's so I got to see a lot of Charlotte Hornet games. The reason why I bring this up is I got to watch Steph Curry's father Dell Curry a lot. Dell was a great 3-point shooter just like Steph, but he didn't have the ball handling skills Steph had. That to me is the biggest thing that separates Steph from his father is his ball handling. One thing about Dell I remember despite being a good sixth man he always choked under pressure in big games much like Matt Bonner would do up until 2014. Dell was soft and would play scared and disappear in the playoffs whenever playing the Knicks and the Bulls. Both of those team's physicality would take him out of his game and he would choke in the playoffs.

Steph, I believe is also a soft bitch like his father but lucked out to a large degree with the rule changes. I do believe Steph would still be a legit all-star player on the level of a Ray Allen under the old rules, but the new rules enhanced his game and made him an MVP level player. Under the old rules you would be seeing Steph have more embarrassing playoff moments like he did in 2016 against the Cavs.

The Super team stuff is disgraceful. Durant joining up with the Warriors would have been equivalent to Duncan deciding to join up with the Lakers after the summer of '02. I will never get Durant wanting to join a team he nearly beat in 7 games. With the right team he could beat the Warriors but took the easy way out because he's a bitch made player. To this day I still shake my head especially him joining the Warriors after Draymond said to his face, they didn't need him. I will always look at Durant as a profoundly stupid guy. Hopefully with new CBA we'll see an end to this Super Team era.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I grew up in NC during the 90's so I got to see a lot of Charlotte Hornet games. The reason why I bring this up is I got to watch Steph Curry's father Dell Curry a lot. Dell was a great 3-point shooter just like Steph, but he didn't have the ball handling skills Steph had. That to me is the biggest thing that separates Steph from his father is his ball handling. One thing about Dell I remember despite being a good sixth man he always choked under pressure in big games much like Matt Bonner would do up until 2014. Dell was soft and would play scared and disappear in the playoffs whenever playing the Knicks and the Bulls. Both of those team's physicality would take him out of his game and he would choke in the playoffs.

Steph, I believe is also a soft bitch like his father but lucked out to a large degree with the rule changes. I do believe Steph would still be a legit all-star player on the level of a Ray Allen under the old rules, but the new rules enhanced his game and made him an MVP level player. Under the old rules you would be seeing Steph have more embarrassing playoff moments like he did in 2016 against the Cavs.

The Super team stuff is disgraceful. Durant joining up with the Warriors would have been equivalent to Duncan deciding to join up with the Lakers after the summer of '02. I will never get Durant wanting to join a team he nearly beat in 7 games. With the right team he could beat the Warriors but took the easy way out because he's a bitch made player. To this day I still shake my head especially him joining the Warriors after Draymond said to his face, they didn't need him. I will always look at Durant as a profoundly stupid guy. Hopefully with new CBA we'll see an end to this Super Team era.

Klay Thompson is more like Ray Allen than Steph though. Steph would be, idk, Chris Jackson ie Mahmoud Abdur-Rauf in last generation's NBA.

The new CBA.. yeah. I don't see the NBA getting better before it gets worse. They need to put all the devils back in Pandora's box first, which I don't see Silver doing because jews and $$$$$$. The ads on jerseys. The deregulated team jersey rules and rules on teams keeping essentially the same home court design throughout a season. The foul rules. The only thing that changed positive recently is that guys like Trae Young and James Harden can't just chuck their body into a guy and get 3 free throws every time. Other than that it's a shitty product... What's that, Golden State scored 157 fucking points in a 4 quarter, 48 minute basketball game? :lmao ....nope, fuck today's NBA, fuck it to hell

[Spurs Homer]

Agreed I feel the same way. I will never respect Kawhi as a person for what he did to the Spurs but my hatred of him is over. He's a great player but he's high maintenance and drives even Clipper fans nuts with his load management. Sure, he might get lucky and cough up 1 title with the clippers, but he will then be useless for the next 4 years just like he was after he left Toronto. As weird as it sounds, I'm glad he's not on the Spurs because his high maintenance act would drive me nuts granted, I do wish the Spurs got more in return for him than what they did due to him sabotaging his value.

Warriors on the other hand are just so much more hateable in the grand scheme of things when it comes to basketball. They are just a toxic entity with the 3-point chucking they have brought to basketball combined with their arrogance, showboating, dirty play from Draymond and Kerr's constant bitching at the refs.

dont get me wrong- i still hate kawhitter -

but there are no words that would justify how much more i hate GS

even poole- holee fuck- i am actually glad draymond bitch-slapped that flopping kunt

lol

fuck these kunts just watching curry get some phantom calls again tonite

[daslicer]

dont get me wrong- i still hate kawhitter -

but there are no words that would justify how much more i hate GS

even poole- holee fuck- i am actually glad draymond bitch-slapped that flopping kunt

lol

fuck these kunts just watching curry get some phantom calls again tonite

Watching them gets my blood pressure so high lol I don't even watch them live anymore. I have YouTube tv and it automatically tapes games for me. If the Warriors lose I rewatch the game later to enjoy it.

[Spurs Homer]

Watching them gets my blood pressure so high lol I don't even watch them live anymore. I have YouTube tv and it automatically tapes games for me. If the Warriors lose I rewatch the game later to enjoy it.


lol

yeah i do that during the reg season

but this series looks waaay fun to watch and the pace is awesome- hoping the young kings wear out these pussies

[timtonymanu]

All teams in the West except for the Nuggets and kings, tbh. Lakers are probably the next most likeable team after Denver and sacto for me. That says a lot. :lol

I probably still hate the Clippers the most. Fuck Nephew and the Morris bro.


Don’t care about the East but want Milwaukee/Boston to win it all. Boston just to troll Laker fans.

[Arcadian]

the norm should always be home whites and away colors

Isn't the NFL the opposite? Home color, white away? I prefer that because white is more boring and I like seeing my team wearing its signature colors at home.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Isn't the NFL the opposite? Home color, white away? I prefer that because white is more boring and I like seeing my team wearing its signature colors at home.
Yeah, that's kind of unique to the NFL.

The NBA up until Silver opened Pandora's box, was always about home whites and away colors, usually about 75 out of 82 games per year throughout the Stern era, and occasionally you'd have alternate jerseys about 7 games per team per year where they'd wear something retro or colorful at home (like the Silver Saturday Spurs era, and for a couple years in 2011/2013 they wore the Dallas Chaparrals red jerseys which I didn't like but it was only 3-4 games in the regular season) but only several games per year. The "Los Spurs-" Noche Latina March games for a week or two, etc. Those were all fine temporary additives to spice up the regular season, and they weren't abused.

But to make it the norm and not the exception (i.e. including the playoffs -- in the Stern era, no more than 1 alternate jersey was allowed in the playoffs, and they had to match the current team colors and logo and font scheme -- best example was the Lakers and their home whites on Sundays rather than home yellows, and the Suns orange jerseys which were wearable both at home and on the road), and Silver putting stupid ads on jerseys just ruined the aesthetics of the game beyond repair.

[The Gemini Method]

The NFL changed the uni/helmet options for the upcoming season, didn't they?

I don't mind it, I mean it's for $$ and marketing purposes solely. Though some of the City Connect jerseys are horrid and to add on some court re-designs are harsh. I am not a huge fan of the Sunday Whites the Lakers are using this season, I get the throwback honor and such, but I would have used the darker blues they wore earlier in the 00's.

[lefty]

I prefer home teams to wear home jerseys and roard teams their road ones

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Warriors, Lakers, Suns. In no particular order.

After that it's probably the Clips, the Hawks, Nuggets and Grizzlies. Probably pulling for a Kings-Celtics final.

[MultiTroll]

Kings Bucks would be my preferred Finals.

East anyone but Celtics.

Just cannot take another giveaway pussout should it come down to them and the Warriors.

[MultiTroll]

:lol

Will pay anyone who smuggles in cowbells to Games 3 and 4 at Golden Phaggot arena.
1648352060264292352

The Golden State Warriors Plan To Crack Down On Rowdy Sacramento Kings Fans And Are Enforcing A Hilarious Rule (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/the-golden-state-warriors-plan-to-crack-down-on-rowdy-sacramento-kings-fans-and-are-enforcing-a-hilarious-rule/ar-AA1a5fEH?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=4747e047f3d0447b8e3577dd9e9df7a3&ei=20)

[baseline bum]

Clippers bounced again so I'm good with whoever wins now. Probably rooting most for Denver, unless Milwaukee can find some way out of their 3-1 hole to Miami.

[Spurs Homer]

lol clipper china dolls

[lefty]

Ror Crippers dorrs

[MultiTroll]

Excellent developments.

Golden Phaggots down 3-1
Soft Celtics down 3-2

Denver playing the Sons starting right now....

[Millennial_Messiah]

Excellent developments.

Golden Phaggots down 3-1
Soft Celtics down 3-2

Denver playing the Sons starting right now....
Nah...

Excellent would have been the Grizzlies and Kings winning in the first round as opposed to the establishment NBA's two favorite teams.

[MultiTroll]

Nah...

Excellent would have been the Grizzlies and Kings winning in the first round as opposed to the establishment NBA's two favorite teams.
Nah.

Excellent would have been Timmy Duncan, GNob, David Robinson and others getting ahold of some reverse aging supplement and leading the Spurs to sweeps in the 1st 2 Rounds.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Nah.

Excellent would have been Timmy Duncan, GNob, David Robinson and others getting ahold of some reverse aging supplement and leading the Spurs to sweeps in the 1st 2 Rounds.

I meant excellent but realistic, doofus.

[MultiTroll]

#1 Mission Accomplished.
Warriors exterminated. Hopefully for good.

#2 Sons with bandwaggoners / douchebags Durbetta and Chrissy Paul. Also Bookerdashian.

[Spurs Homer]

#1 Mission Accomplished.
Warriors exterminated. Hopefully for good.

#2 Sons with bandwaggoners / douchebags Durbetta and Chrissy Paul. Also Bookerdashian.


yes!

a good night!

[Spurs Homer]

…and a special bonus;

kawhi the malingering treasonous phaggot also got eleiminated and injured…

[Millennial_Messiah]

Let's go Nuggets! Revenge for 2009. :ihit

[MultiTroll]

Glorious 2023 Playoffs.

Golden Phaggots out. Hopefully for the rest of their douche cores careers.
Phoenix colluding phaggots out. Durbeta going to try to force his way to the Spurs when Wemby blows up?
Scumbag out and injured. I know that satisfies many of you. I don't have a deep hatred of him like some of you but ya, he phucked the Spurs royally with his public ""LA only b.s.
Boston out. Pathetic phaggots and their losing / throwing the series to Golden State last year.

Would rather have seen Greek Freak get another Finals run. But i'm very good with Denver and Miami.

In recap was your list fulfilled?

[daslicer]

Glorious 2023 Playoffs.

Golden Phaggots out. Hopefully for the rest of their douche cores careers.
Phoenix colluding phaggots out. Durbeta going to try to force his way to the Spurs when Wemby blows up?
Scumbag out and injured. I know that satisfies many of you. I don't have a deep hatred of him like some of you but ya, he phucked the Spurs royally with his public ""LA only b.s.
Boston out. Pathetic phaggots and their losing / throwing the series to Golden State last year.

Would rather have seen Greek Freak get another Finals run. But i'm very good with Denver and Miami.

In recap was your list fulfilled?

Agreed I wanted to see Nuggets vs Sixers or Bucks but I'm good with how all of it has played out. Most importantly the Warriors and Lakers are not going to ring.

[Spurs Homer]

Glorious 2023 Playoffs.

Golden Phaggots out. Hopefully for the rest of their douche cores careers.
Phoenix colluding phaggots out. Durbeta going to try to force his way to the Spurs when Wemby blows up?
Scumbag out and injured. I know that satisfies many of you. I don't have a deep hatred of him like some of you but ya, he phucked the Spurs royally with his public ""LA only b.s.
Boston out. Pathetic phaggots and their losing / throwing the series to Golden State last year.

Would rather have seen Greek Freak get another Finals run. But i'm very good with Denver and Miami.

In recap was your list fulfilled?

all those things ^ were also on my wishlist but you left out the biggest one

the cherry on top of all those kunts ^ ?

spurs get wemby!

fucking fantastic karma doing what karma is supposed to do!

[baseline bum]

1. Clippers
2. Warriors
3. Celtics
4. Suns

All gone. Will be cool to watch a Finals where I like both teams.