Shams: Spurs Releasing Isaiah Roby; Claiming Sandro Mamukelashvili Off Waivers

[BatManu20]

So much for that signing. Later bud.

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[KingKev]

He was absolute trash. If you can’t have any impact on the least talented team in the NBA you probably aren’t an NBA player.
Mr. Body nailed it

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs are doing the right thing. Taking a swing at guys. If they don't work out, take another one until someone sticks

[heyheymymy]

The Roby experiment had ran its course

Sandro is an interesting piece.

[RC_Drunkford]

from what I've seen he looks worse than Roby, but whatever. Ain't nothing wrong with trying him out

[Dex]

Mamukelashvili? You can't even make these names up

[BatManu20]

Yea Roby had potential due to his size and athleticism, but his bball IQ and feel for the game were pretty terrible. That’s experiment wasn’t going anywhere. Doubt the new guy will either. No loss here tbh.

[spurraider21]

glad we took a flier on Roby, but i just dont think theres anything there

[Mr. Body]

Kind of weird with Roby. He's clearly (to me) not a bad player. Not great, but not terrible. Sort of Lyles territory. He was sort of buffer while Sochan got ready to play, but Jere was ready almost right away.

Far as Mamu... definitely a fringe guy statswise. Why not take a swing? Worth mentioning is that he has at least one skill that can be unlocked in the Spurs' system -- he's a terrific passer especially from the perimeter and high post, picking out cutters and so on.

Dunno what this means for the big man corps. Let that shake out over the summer.

[jjspur]

Pop may have gotten inside info on him from his pal coach Bud. Not a whole lot at stake here, just an end of the bench guy for another end of the bench guy. At this point of the season, its worth a shot.

[KingKev]

Kind of weird with Roby. He's clearly (to me) not a bad player. Not great, but not terrible. Sort of Lyles territory. He was sort of buffer while Sochan got ready to play, but Jere was ready almost right away.

Far as Mamu... definitely a fringe guy statswise. Why not take a swing? Worth mentioning is that he has at least one skill that can be unlocked in the Spurs' system -- he's a terrific passer especially from the perimeter and high post, picking out cutters and so on.

Dunno what this means for the big man corps. Let that shake out over the summer.

Lyles comparison is a flattering compliment. Let that sink in.

[The Truth #6]

He dunked with his off hand well. Good shooting form. Moving on.

[Mr. Body]

Lyles comparison is a flattering compliment. Let that sink in.

He's stuck in the league and can sop up minutes. That's not a terrible thing.

[KingKev]

He's stuck in the league and can sop up minutes. That's not a terrible thing.

Lyles and KBD are substitutes in my mind. Roby isn’t an NBA player unless Coach Pop calls one of his buddies and gives him raving reviews because he’s a supposed good person.

[Leetonidas]

Meh

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqVZi11XwAAQi-U?format=jpg&name=large

[ace3g]

4:35pm: San Antonio has officially waived Roby and claimed Mamukelashvili, the team announced. The Spurs immediately converted Mamukelashvili to a standard contract, and their 17-man roster is full.
https://cdn.hoopsrumors.com/files/2023/03/Isaiah-Roby-vertical-1-200x300.jpg4:15pm: The Spurs plan to waive F/C Isaiah Roby (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robyis01.html?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.hoopsrumors.com&utm_campaign=2023-03-03_bbr) and will claim F/C Sandro Mamukelashvili (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mamuksa01.html?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.hoopsrumors.com&utm_campaign=2023-03-03_bbr) off the waiver wire, sources tell Shams Charania of The Athletic (Twitter link (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1631777128021630977?cxt=HHwWgoCxxeCpnqUtAAAA)).
There is a corresponding move that is missing from Charania’s report, however, as Roby is on San Antonio’s 15-man roster, while Mamukelashvili was on a two-way contract with Milwaukee.

The Spurs’ two-way are currently occupied by forwards Dominick Barlow (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barlodo01.html?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.hoopsrumors.com&utm_campaign=2023-03-03_bbr) and Julian Champagnie (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/champju02.html?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.hoopsrumors.com&utm_campaign=2023-03-03_bbr), so they will either need to promote or waive one of those players, or perhaps immediately promote Mamukelashvili — we’re not sure yet if that’s permitted.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/Stoltzy3/status/1631142889752240133

Maybe one of the reason why he's coming.

[heyheymymy]

Love how the Spurs aren't just sitting on their hands like welp

Move em in, move em out. See what you got.

[ceperez]

A lefty with Mamu as his nickname?????!

Wasn't sure if he was a lefty, but look at his freethrows.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR7sOYu0kMk

[Ocotillo]

Welcome Marmaduke! Wikipedia says he grew up idolizing Zaza because he is also Georgian.

[Mr. Body]

A lefty with Mamu as his nickname?????!

Wasn't sure if he was a lefty, but look at his freethrows.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR7sOYu0kMk

The athletic way he attacks the rim from up high reminds me of... Jeremy Sochan.

[ace3g]

Welcome Marmaduke! Wikipedia says he grew up idolizing Zaza because he is also Georgian.

And not Viktor Sanikidze...

[GAustex]

I thought I remembered Roby giving Spurs trouble last season in a game V OKC.
I hoped for better.
Oh well.

[CGD]

Basically his draft profile sounds like Sochan:

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/sandro-mamukelashvili/

[jjspur]

Reminds me of a more active more mobile Jock Landale. Seems like a slight upgrade from Roby. We'll see.

[wildbill2u]

Roby kept moving down the bench until he reached the end and fell off. Must be a little scary to realize you can't stay on one of the worst teams in the league. Maybe he'll connect with another team here or in Europe or China.

[exstatic]

Basically his draft profile sounds like Sochan:

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/sandro-mamukelashvili/

Yeah, big white slow Sochan. Slochan.

Seems like a nothing burger.

[exstatic]

Reminds me of a more active more mobile Jock Landale. Seems like a slight upgrade from Roby. We'll see.

Jock was a very Good shooter. Marmaduke seems a bit sus in that department. His college numbers didn’t foretell a great NBA shooting career. 34% for four years. One year was 43%, but that was only 53 attempts. His best FT shooting year was 71%, but he had two seasons right around 60-61%.

[JPB]

Two pages and counting for Sandro Mamukelashvili... This is a long season tbh.

[Atl Spur]

The NBA is a tough business……really hard to navigate! Good luck to ol’ Roby

[jjspur]

Jock was a very Good shooter. Marmaduke seems a bit sus in that department. His college numbers didn’t foretell a great NBA shooting career. 34% for four years. One year was 43%, but that was only 53 attempts. His best FT shooting year was 71%, but he had two seasons right around 60-61%.

Lets remember that Mamu is a 14th - 15th guy on a team with lots of young developing players. Although shooting is important, don't think they brought him in for his brilliant shooting skills, but probably to set a few hard picks, or just plain rebound a bit. Maybe give a few hard fouls. If he can score a bit, that's a plus. Its probably just a look see type of signing.

For what ever reason, the spurs front office wasn't that overly wowed by Roby and decided to go with Mamu to finish the season and possibly for next year. If he shows something great, if he doesn't, no harm no foul. Maybe the spurs are trying to get a head start for next season.

The NBA is a tough job especially for end of the bench guys, so good luck to both Mamu and Roby.

[venitian navigator]

i'm really sorry and disappointed about Roby now as much as i was excited and glad when we signed him. imho he has just everything necessary for becoming a good to very good nba basketball player in this nba...the body and the athleticism are more than good and he also have offensive movements and a good outside shot...what's lacking are basketball instincts and, probably, a real will to succeed. I hope he finds out a way but franckly I dont understand how he couldn't figure out till now the right path to become really valuable in this league...

[sananspursfan21]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqVZi11XwAAQi-U?format=jpg&name=large

For Pete’s sakes, we picked up this guy??? I thought we were tanking, what gives??? Well this is just great, 1st round exit here we come. Bye bye Wemby.

[John B]

Holy crap. The guy can play. Goodpass, ballhandling coast to coast, seems like good motor and can shoot.

https://youtu.be/GtQXWFntbyQ

[John B]

He brings down the ball coast to coast, can set up half-court offense, has passing skills, post moves, shoot outside or take it to the rim, big body to defend post, seems like a high motor guy. With the tank, this guy can definitely show what he can do and possibly earn himself a contract. Good pick-up.


https://youtu.be/Jm7vXLRgzds

[John B]

Love how the Spurs aren't just sitting on their hands like welp

Move em in, move em out. See what you got.

This has a Coach Bud hook-up written all-over it

[Ocotillo]

And not Viktor Sanikidze...

He may not have idolized Viktor but I always held out hope Viktor would eventually show up in training camp one year. :lol

[ace3g]

He may not have idolized Viktor but I always held out hope Viktor would eventually show up in training camp one year. :lol


Same here.

He is now the President of Georgian Basketball Federation

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1337466907792961536/juXZibAt_400x400.jpg

[CGD]

Yeah, big white slow Sochan. Slochan.

Seems like a nothing burger.

Doesnt look that slow man

[Atl Spur]

Dude ain’t slow!

[Mr. Body]

It's like they signed Roby to play PF until Sochan came around, then Sochan was already ready, then they went and got a guy with Sochan's skill set to support Sochan.

I don't know whether anything comes of it, but it does sniff of Bud and the Spurs and Sandro's agent having a dialogue about funneling him to a better playing situation. It sounds like they're trying to get Dragic for their playoff run.

Mamu feels like more of a PF/C where Sochan feels more like a SF/PF.

[John B]

It's like they signed Roby to play PF until Sochan came around, then Sochan was already ready, then they went and got a guy with Sochan's skill set to support Sochan.

I don't know whether anything comes of it, but it does sniff of Bud and the Spurs and Sandro's agent having a dialogue about funneling him to a better playing situation. It sounds like they're trying to get Dragic for their playoff run.

Mamu feels like more of a PF/C where Sochan feels more like a SF/PF.

Nice take. Definitely the reason why Spurs waived Roby to get Mamu. Mamu seems a very good target, mobile big who can pass, ball handling, facilitate, defend, motor and his name is Mamu? Pop will like this guy.

[Dejounte]

They’re cycling through these guys to:

1) if and when the Spurs have foundation pieces from either their current or future players, this guy and the reclamation projects before him (KBD, Bassey, etc) will be extended for cheap and serve as role players for a winning team
2) scrap whatever value they can get from little to no investment they put in to get them
3) build reputation as a team that develops players to go on to have successful careers

[RC_Drunkford]

He brings down the ball coast to coast, can set up half-court offense, has passing skills, post moves, shoot outside or take it to the rim, big body to defend post, seems like a high motor guy. With the tank, this guy can definitely show what he can do and possibly earn himself a contract. Good pick-up.


https://youtu.be/Jm7vXLRgzds

we have our 15th All-Star. Championship incoming :lobt2:

[KingKev]

we have our 15th All-Star. Championship incoming :lobt2:

If he just trusts Coach Pop plus watched Kobe tapes and beliefs and championships he will be an all star ! alongside Bassey and Barlow.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Matthew_Tynan/status/1632063005172039680

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1632063242376736768

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1632079360038432770

[Spurs Homer]

Roby barely got any playing time - so it is baffling why the spurs are moving guys in and out who dont even get a real chance to play?

I would have given ALL of Keita bates minutes to roby and then gotten rid of keita -

[Leetonidas]

Roby barely got any playing time - so it is baffling why the spurs are moving guys in and out who dont even get a real chance to play?

I would have given ALL of Keita bates minutes to roby and then gotten rid of keita -

He got plenty of time earlier in the season. He just isn't good. There's a reason OKC waived him and no one else claimed him. Keita sucks too but he is marginally better than Roby overall

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihWxpwCyxs

[Mr. Body]

Dude has a really long neck he's trying to hide with that beard.

[K...]

Dude has a really long neck he's trying to hide with that beard.

it's also a thick neck and slopey shoulders. with a thinner neck , or strasighter shoulders, it might look ok, but it just makes his head lock small. looks like a classic wrestler tbh

[KingKev]

Roby barely got any playing time - so it is baffling why the spurs are moving guys in and out who dont even get a real chance to play?

I would have given ALL of Keita bates minutes to roby and then gotten rid of keita -

Playing time is earned in practice. Roby probably isn’t an NBA player when he is getting dropped for other guys who also aren’t really NBA players.

[Spurs Homer]

Playing time is earned in practice. Roby probably isn’t an NBA player when he is getting dropped for other guys who also aren’t really NBA players.

it just seems like a pattern with no real goal

stanley deserved more minutes- didnt get them - then spurs got rid of him

so what will you say when this new dude sits on the bench - gets no chance to really get enough minutes to get comfortable
then-

move HIM for another unknown scrub

just bizarre

[SPURt]

The Bucks signed a washed Dragic with Mamu’s spot… ew

[TD 21]

^ Leonard more so replaced him. Like the '08 (Stoudamire) and '16 Spurs (Miller), who the Bucks remind me of, they needed PG depth, even if Dragic is washed.

Mamukelashvili is skilled enough offensively, but a tweener defensively in the worst way (not mobile enough to guard the four, can't protect the rim/defensive rebound well enough as a five).

He only makes sense next to the Barlow archetype (skillset of a five in the body of a four) and that only becomes relevant if his 3 goes from serviceable to one opposing defenses deem worthy of respect.

[Seventyniner]

He only makes sense next to the Barlow archetype (skillset of a five in the body of a four) and that only becomes relevant if his 3 goes from serviceable to one opposing defenses deem worthy of respect.

He went 22/52 on threes last season (42.3%) and 7/32 this season (21.9%). About half the shots he takes are threes. Small sample size, but he might have the potential to be a 38-40% three point shooter. Unlikely but worth a flier, I guess.

[TD 21]

He went 22/52 on threes last season (42.3%) and 7/32 this season (21.9%). About half the shots he takes are threes. Small sample size, but he might have the potential to be a 38-40% three point shooter. Unlikely but worth a flier, I guess.

Yeah. Think Olynyk (who grew up playing PG and had a late growth spurt turn him into a combo big). He also has no true defensive position, but is so skilled offensively that he's long been an elite third big type to where it's worth finding the Barlow type to pair with.

[heyheymymy]

Nothing bizarre about this. Systematic if anything. We already know Roby wasn't fitting, we don't know that Mamu will and likelihood is small, but we def know what Roby brings and we don't want it obvs hence moving on. Besides, Mamu is intriguing in his own right regardless of a Roby replacement.

Stan deserved mins so we gave them to him; on another team that was a better situation for Stan. That was a favor to Stan and his preference in terms of opportunity.

[Dejounte]

Funny I was just watching tape of Jarace Walker the other day and was thinking he was pretty much the same archetype as Barlow. Whether or not he’s THAT much more talented (he better be if he’s expected to be picked in the top 10) remains to be seen.

[Mr. Body]

Funny I was just watching tape of Jarace Walker the other day and was thinking he was pretty much the same archetype as Barlow. Whether or not he’s THAT much more talented (he better be if he’s expected to be picked in the top 10) remains to be seen.

You're hitting on my doubts about a Jarace Walker type. To me that PF type is like Julius Randall. There's a limit to what they can do on the court. That may be a bit reductive, but I see lots of midrange, short drives, little shot blocking, and if there's good 3-point shooting then you're not really drawing out the center unless your non-shot blocker (this guy) is playing center.

It feels like an expired archetype. Barlowe is more than great because he costs almost literally nothing.

[exstatic]

it just seems like a pattern with no real goal

stanley deserved more minutes- didnt get them - then spurs got rid of him

so what will you say when this new dude sits on the bench - gets no chance to really get enough minutes to get comfortable
then-

move HIM for another unknown scrub

just bizarre

Stanley got rotation minutes right up until he asked for his release.

[exstatic]

He went 22/52 on threes last season (42.3%) and 7/32 this season (21.9%). About half the shots he takes are threes. Small sample size, but he might have the potential to be a 38-40% three point shooter. Unlikely but worth a flier, I guess.

His FTs say otherwise. Never trust small sample 3 point shooting, coupled with below average FT shooting.

[Dejounte]

You're hitting on my doubts about a Jarace Walker type. To me that PF type is like Julius Randall. There's a limit to what they can do on the court. That may be a bit reductive, but I see lots of midrange, short drives, little shot blocking, and if there's good 3-point shooting then you're not really drawing out the center unless your non-shot blocker (this guy) is playing center.

It feels like an expired archetype. Barlowe is more than great because he costs almost literally nothing.

Not a fan of that type of archetype either but the optimistic view about Jarace is that he already has a reputation for being a lockdown defender whereas anyone coming in with mostly physical tools (like Barlow) has a lot more to prove. You’re right, if his upside is Randle on defense then I wouldn’t touch him with a 10 ft pole. I’m just not sure that’s the case (yet).

[duncan2150]

Imo Walker is the opposite of Randle, more capable on defense, can defend 3 to 5 and work in progress on offense. Randle was a good offensive prospect, can rebound but not a good defender.

[Mr. Body]

Imo Walker is the opposite of Randle, more capable on defense, can defend 3 to 5 and work in progress on offense. Randle was a good offensive prospect, can rebound but not a good defender.

That's fair. The question right here is more the 'type' -- a player not as mobile as a SF who is not a shot blocker and may not shoot well enough from range. It's sort of a tweener position nowadays.

[Seventyniner]

His FTs say otherwise. Never trust small sample 3 point shooting, coupled with below average FT shooting.

He's 30/40 on FTs in his NBA career, good for 75%. That's not bad for a big thought also a small sample size.

Yet another small sample size is Mamu going 2/2 on threes tonight. I'll grant that him being a consistent high 30s% three point shooter is unlikely, but I can't say it's out of the question.

[exstatic]

That behind the head no look pass was sweet.

[The Truth #6]

Mamu seems like a player who Pop could maximize his potential, however limited.

[John B]

That behind the head no look pass was sweet.

Yup, and Pop like those bigs who can pass and facilitate, on top of their defensive skills. They help create mismatches. I got a feeling he’s going to really like Mamu.

[Mr. Body]

Mamu seems like a player who Pop could maximize his potential, however limited.

Agree. It's what he turned Poeltl into. Facilitating from the high post.

[The Truth #6]

That one pass Mamu had was eye popping. Maybe the most slick pass I’ve seen a Spur make all year. Not saying he’s going to be great but I think he’s on a perfect team that appreciates his skills. We’ll see how it goes.

[rogcl1]

Playing time is earned in practice. Roby probably isn’t an NBA player when he is getting dropped for other guys who also aren’t really NBA players.

Exactly this. Allen Bristow came and talked to us once back in the day and he made a living being I'd say a marginal NBA player. He explained that players earn minutes in practice and nothing was given and one must always be mentally prepared if and when any opportunity comes because if not someone else will be as there are many would be players out there. Spurs doing exactly what they should be doing by using end of the roster spots to have tryouts and hoping to find a hidden gem or catch that light turning on in a prospect's head. I am a bit surprised Diop has survived but apparently he provides some stability to the revolving door of waived players.

[ace3g]

That one pass Mamu had was eye popping. Maybe the most slick pass I’ve seen a Spur make all year. Not saying he’s going to be great but I think he’s on a perfect team that appreciates his skills. We’ll see how it goes.

The pass included in this video.

https://twitter.com/csy1911/status/1632301024265519105

[jjspur]

Yup, and Pop like those bigs who can pass and facilitate, on top of their defensive skills. They help create mismatches. I got a feeling he’s going to really like Mamu.

It didn't take Mamu long to show something. Hopefully Pop gives him some decent playing time so he can show what he can do for our team maybe into next season. I can see pop patting himself on the back after acquiring him. :spin

[scott]

Somewhere some super Spurs fan is waking up from the coma he fell into after the 2007 season wondering what bizarre planet this is with “Mamu” in place of “Manu”

[DPG21920]

I was thrilled with SA getting Roby and loved the thought process. But Mamu has already shown more.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I was thrilled with SA getting Roby and loved the thought process. But Mamu has already shown more.

Agreed. He looks like he's more of an NBA player.

[Mr. Body]

I'd say Mamu is a very good bet to be retained after this season. He's shown enough already to be intriguing. Has a sense of the game, what to do, has two strong skills in passing and shooting.

[heyheymymy]

Let's get some Manu y Mamu H-E-B commercials going.

Khachapuri Asado Ready-Fresh-Go Meal Deals or something.

[Mr. Body]

Let's get some Manu y Mamu H-E-B commercials going.


Maybe they could do some "I'm from Georgia" jokes. "Oh, did you grow up liking the Atlanta Hawks?" "No... Georgia. The country..."

[Rocalcio]

Maybe they could do some "I'm from Georgia" jokes. "Oh, did you grow up liking the Atlanta Hawks?" "No... Georgia. The country..."

That’s a good thing we didn’t get Sengun, I can imagine the jokes about Turkey in a HEB commercial…

[John B]

That’s a good thing we didn’t get Sengun, I can imagine the jokes about Turkey in a HEB commercial…

Sengun seems taller and bigger now. There was a concern that he’s too short for a C and too slow for a PF. But he was dominating and outrebounding our bigs, including Poeltl in previous meetings, and Sengun seems to have gotten bigger.

[slick'81]

Will the spirs bring mamu back in free agency?!

[exstatic]

Sengun seems taller and bigger now. There was a concern that he’s too short for a C and too slow for a PF. But he was dominating and outrebounding our bigs, including Poeltl in previous meetings, and Sengun seems to have gotten bigger.

He's physical, that's for sure, but he's not taller than Sochan, and an absolute turnstile defending the rim.

[rascal]

I'd say Mamu is a very good bet to be retained after this season. He's shown enough already to be intriguing. Has a sense of the game, what to do, has two strong skills in passing and shooting.

Then who won't be retained? The Spurs will add one player and maybe two from this draft.

[CGD]

Then who won't be retained? The Spurs will add one player and maybe two from this draft.

I’m not worried out it. Deng, KBD, Romeo all goners. I think Tre could get poached (though I hope not). Can see them buying out Berch if needed too.

[rascal]

I’m not worried out it. Deng, KBD, Romeo all goners. I think Tre could get poached (though I hope not). Can see them buying out Berch if needed too.

There will be five or more new players on next year's team.

[exstatic]

Then who won't be retained? The Spurs will add one player and maybe two from this draft.

It would depend on who they draft. Also, if they get an insurance settlement for Khem Birch, that would automatically open a roster spot, since they could then waive him.

If I were anyone below roster spot 10, I wouldn't be buying a house in SA.

[TD 21]

:lmao At the notion of Jones being "poached". Somehow, I don't see a team breaking the bank for a small guard who can't shoot and isn't adept in any area of half court offense and even in the highly unlikely event someone offered sheeted him and it was for more than the MLE, if the Spurs wanted to they could easily match.

There's basically 11 spots spoken for next season at this writing: Sochan, Johnson, Collins, Vassell, Jones (RFA), 1st round pick, Branham, McDermott, Graham, Bassey, Wesley.

They should target Reid in free agency. The Timberwolves likely can't afford to re-sign him. Turns 24 this off season, floor spacing/rim protecting potential, with solid ball skills and mobility. Could make Collins expendable.

[heyheymymy]

What's a fair price/deal for Tre Jones' return?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

[Em-City]

:lmao At the notion of Jones being "poached". Somehow, I don't see a team breaking the bank for a small guard who can't shoot and isn't adept in any area of half court offense and even in the highly unlikely event someone offered sheeted him and it was for more than the MLE, if the Spurs wanted to they could easily match.

There's basically 11 spots spoken for next season at this writing: Sochan, Johnson, Collins, Vassell, Jones (RFA), 1st round pick, Branham, McDermott, Graham, Bassey, Wesley.

They should target Reid in free agency. The Timberwolves likely can't afford to re-sign him. Turns 24 this off season, floor spacing/rim protecting potential, with solid ball skills and mobility. Could make Collins expendable.

I think Reid is going to be a hot commodity this off- season.. definitely won't be a bargain signing.

[TD 21]

I think Reid is going to be a hot commodity this off- season.. definitely won't be a bargain signing.

Agreed, but the Spurs are well positioned to secure free agents of his ilk.

[KingKev]

Agreed, but the Spurs are well positioned to secure free agents of his ilk.

I agree. We are paying 2-5mm per second rounder. Our dead cap has been running at 10-20mm a year for 5yrs. Need ti start using some of this cap space on decent projects.

[jjspur]

What's a fair price/deal for Tre Jones' return?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

No more than 6-8 mil. per year for about 3 years. Some will say he's worth 10 mil. No he's not . If he wants more than that, we can look in free agency and possibly get someone with somewhat similar skills for less. Coby White and Ayo Dosunmu from Chicago come to mind. They aren't the best, but neither is Trey. One is a free agent, one is restricted, but both could probably do what Tre does. Better than Tre will cost a bit more though and I do believe the spurs would spend more on a position that is quite lacking, so Tre needs to evaluate how much he is really worth. The draft and free agency are a few months away, but it's never too early to start planning and looking. Our team will look considerably different next year, especially in the second and third units.

[duncan2150]

:lmao At the notion of Jones being "poached". Somehow, I don't see a team breaking the bank for a small guard who can't shoot and isn't adept in any area of half court offense and even in the highly unlikely event someone offered sheeted him and it was for more than the MLE, if the Spurs wanted to they could easily match.

There's basically 11 spots spoken for next season at this writing: Sochan, Johnson, Collins, Vassell, Jones (RFA), 1st round pick, Branham, McDermott, Graham, Bassey, Wesley.

They should target Reid in free agency. The Timberwolves likely can't afford to re-sign him. Turns 24 this off season, floor spacing/rim protecting potential, with solid ball skills and mobility. Could make Collins expendable.

He'll be one of my top target too, Bogdan Bogdanovic also but depends on the logjam.

[CGD]

:lmao At the notion of Jones being "poached". Somehow, I don't see a team breaking the bank for a small guard who can't shoot and isn't adept in any area of half court offense and even in the highly unlikely event someone offered sheeted him and it was for more than the MLE, if the Spurs wanted to they could easily match.

There's basically 11 spots spoken for next season at this writing: Sochan, Johnson, Collins, Vassell, Jones (RFA), 1st round pick, Branham, McDermott, Graham, Bassey, Wesley.

They should target Reid in free agency. The Timberwolves likely can't afford to re-sign him. Turns 24 this off season, floor spacing/rim protecting potential, with solid ball skills and mobility. Could make Collins expendable.

He can easily get poached more bc I don’t think the Spurs want to commit big money to him. All another team that wants a solid backup PG has to do is offer like 24m/3y to force Spurs hand.

[couchman]

Mamu looks competent and creative on offense while his defense looks bad
He will have to shoot 3s at a high percentage to stick anywhere in the league

[The Truth #6]

Mamu isn't going to move the needle at all, so to speak, but if (begin magical thinking) he were surrounded by a competent other 4 players, with at least 1 or 2 of them being dynamic scorers, then his deficiencies could be minimized and he could help move the ball around with his passing IQ.

[Drom John]

What's a fair price/deal for Tre Jones' return?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

FiveThirtyEight Raptor WAR

78-83) Jose Alvarado, O.G. Anunoby, Al Horford, Tre Jones, Jaden McDaniels, De'Anthony Melton

2022-2023 Salaries
78) Harrison Barnes $18,352,273
83) Jonathan Isaac $17,400,000

[KingKev]

FiveThirtyEight Raptor WAR

78-83) Jose Alvarado, O.G. Anunoby, Al Horford, Tre Jones, Jaden McDaniels, De'Anthony Melton

2022-2023 Salaries
78) Harrison Barnes $18,352,273
83) Jonathan Isaac $17,400,000

Drom John with the goods. It’s always about who has money to spend and who has the need. I don’t aee the teams with salary cap room overpaying for Tre this offseason. I can someone who needs a young traditional point paying full MLE though.

[jjspur]

The full MLE for next year is about 10 mil. Is Tre worth that much even to a team with need or cap space ? I like the guy just not that much. He's good just not that good. Free agency will tell.

[John B]

The full MLE for next year is about 10 mil. Is Tre worth that much even to a team with need or cap space ? I like the guy just not that much. He's good just not that good. Free agency will tell.

I’m starting to like Devonte at backup PG where he could pick and pop, long range, streaky scorer who’s ideal for that 6th/7th man in a rebuilding team. Then there’s still Branham (who’s playing real good at PG vs SG) and Blake. If Spurs landed Scoot or Amen, I don’t know what’s going to happen with Tre. I like the kid and a very steady PG but I think he’s the odd man in a logjam guard position.

[Mr. Body]

I’m starting to like Devonte at backup PG where he could pick and pop, long range, streaky scorer who’s ideal for that 6th/7th man in a rebuilding team. Then there’s still Branham (who’s playing real good at PG vs SG) and Blake. If Spurs landed Scoot or Amen, I don’t know what’s going to happen with Tre. I like the kid and a very steady PG but I think he’s the odd man in a logjam guard position.

I... agree with this take. I'm finding it surprisingly harder to see him on the team next year than I thought. He's in a strange spot where he did very well this year IMO being thrown into the starter spot but he hasn't quite distinguished himself in ways the league probably wants (shooting threes, etc.). But then the team has enough ballhandling options. He doesn't fulfill any needs.

I can see the team trying to sign him for a shorter or lesser contract. I can maybe see other teams giving him a shot. I don't see S&Ts though.

[John B]

I... agree with this take. I'm finding it surprisingly harder to see him on the team next year than I thought. He's in a strange spot where he did very well this year IMO being thrown into the starter spot but he hasn't quite distinguished himself in ways the league probably wants (shooting threes, etc.). But then the team has enough ballhandling options. He doesn't fulfill any needs.

I can see the team trying to sign him for a shorter or lesser contract. I can maybe see other teams giving him a shot. I don't see S&Ts though.

Branham wasn’t expected to play PG but distinguished himself with sudden injuries, who knows he might still end up as a combo guard. And then there’s Sochan who could slide to PG, or not, if Spurs are lucky to land Wemby. It’s Tre’s iffy long range, while he’s been working on it, still remains suspect.

[CGD]

The full MLE for next year is about 10 mil. Is Tre worth that much even to a team with need or cap space ? I like the guy just not that much. He's good just not that good. Free agency will tell.

He would be amazing as backup to CP3 in Phoenix, or even with the Nuggets. I think he’ll fetch a full MLE sized offer, and the spurs will have to think long and hard

[jjspur]

He would be amazing as backup to CP3 in Phoenix, or even with the Nuggets. I think he’ll fetch a full MLE sized offer, and the spurs will have to think long and hard

So I guess you're saying Phoenix & Nuggets yes if they want to spend their cash, and spurs possibly no ?

I can see him as being more useful and worth more money to a playoff type team as well. The spurs however, aren't quite there yet. The FO will have to do some serious thinking on him.

[Mr. Body]

He would be amazing as backup to CP3 in Phoenix, or even with the Nuggets. I think he’ll fetch a full MLE sized offer, and the spurs will have to think long and hard

Something along those lines, yeah. I don't know how the cap or timing works, but they could engineer a S&T with a contender over the cap line, even take on some extra salary, and get an asset.

[The Truth #6]

Devonte has his own deficiencies but already seems like a better fit than Tre Jones. Now, yes, the advanced stats suggest Jones is (more) effective but without he actually improving his outside shot (something I hoped and thought he would do this year but hasn't which makes me way less optimistic about him now) then I'm ready to move on from him as a starter at least. The second unit might even motivate him. But between Devonte, Malaki, and Jeremy, I don't see a great need for Tre at this point.

[TD 21]

He can easily get poached more bc I don’t think the Spurs want to commit big money to him. All another team that wants a solid backup PG has to do is offer like 24m/3y to force Spurs hand.

That's not "big money" by today's NBA standards, most teams don't have cap space, most that do don't have a need at PG and those that do are virtually guaranteed to aim higher.



FiveThirtyEight Raptor WAR

78-83) Jose Alvarado, O.G. Anunoby, Al Horford, Tre Jones, Jaden McDaniels, De'Anthony Melton

2022-2023 Salaries
78) Harrison Barnes $18,352,273
83) Jonathan Isaac $17,400,000

That's nice, but everything I said stands, in addition to him playing one of the two over saturated positions.

He's been as advertised in the NBA, yet went 41st in his draft because he's among, if not the single least valued archetype.

[John B]

Mamu with career high tonight 11pts, with 4 rebounds, 2 assists in 12 mins of play. Mamuuuuu!!

[Mr. Body]

This thread managed to be about two players:

1) Tre Jones was fantastic tonight. He's a good floor general who, when he's on, really peppers the basket with those runners.

2) Mamukelashvili is clearly a very smart player. Those tap outs on rebounds were key in winning possessions. He knew he couldn't always get the boards clean, so got them to teammates.

[Mr. Body]

Mamu with career high tonight 11pts, with 4 rebounds, 2 assists in 12 mins of play. Mamuuuuu!!

Didn't realize that was a career high. Tbh I don't see why he can't be a rotation player. I was really intrigued when he was coming out of Seton Hall. He's smart and skilled. Superb passer, already has a three-point shot.

[John B]

This thread managed to be about two players:

1) Tre Jones was fantastic tonight. He's a good floor general who, when he's on, really peppers the basket with those runners.

2) Mamukelashvili is clearly a very smart player. Those tap outs on rebounds were key in winning possessions. He knew he couldn't always get the boards clean, so got them to teammates.


Mamu needs his own thread. With his nickname, and gritty fun plays, I think we’ll see more of him

[Atl Spur]

Mamu with career high tonight 11pts, with 4 rebounds, 2 assists in 12 mins of play. Mamuuuuu!!

I don’t think this is his career high pimp…..

[John B]

I don’t think this is his career high pimp…..

I only heard from the Denver broadcasters, enlighten us

[Mr. Body]

That's his season high. He had games of 12, 17 and dropped 28 in the last game of the season last year presumably when the Bucks were resting players.

[timtonymanu]

I really hope Atl Spur doesn’t start hyping up this guy. He’s playing well so far and doesn’t need that kind of jinx.

[John B]

That's his season high. He had games of 12, 17 and dropped 28 in the last game of the season last year presumably when the Bucks were resting players.

Thanks :bobo. I don’t doubt it. He’s a baller and can impact the game in so many ways. Somehow I think Coach Bud did Spurs solid, dropping Roby so fast to scoop this guy.

[CGD]

That's not "big money" by today's NBA standards, most teams don't have cap space, most that do don't have a need at PG and those that do are virtually guaranteed to aim higher.




That's nice, but everything I said stands, in addition to him playing one of the two over saturated positions.

He's been as advertised in the NBA, yet went 41st in his draft because he's among, if not the single least valued archetype.

The teams that could use him are teams over the cap but obviously they still have tools at their disposal like the MLE. It’s why I suggested the Suns as a natural fit.

I thinks it’s around that figure (10M a year) where the spurs may start to get pause about extending him. We’ll see. He’s definitely earned a chunky pay raise.

[lennycooke]

Mamu reminds me of a Ben Simmons/D Sabonis type. Ben Simmons with his passing ability from the post, but probably can't lead a fast break like Ben does. But Mamu can shoot infinitely better than Simmons. Sabonis for his post game. I know its only been one game, but I like what I saw. And I also like the contrast in big men with Bassey.

[Dverde]

I like the Tre (pass first floor general) and Devonte coming as his backup sixth man (Jamal Crawford type). Still think it makes sense to move Devonte at the trade deadline. Only thing that impressed me with Mamu was the pass to Vassell. Obviously he’s still young and raw, definitely like him over Roby who wasn’t going to be brought back.

[Atl Spur]

I really hope Atl Spur doesn’t start hyping up this guy. He’s playing well so far and doesn’t need that kind of jinx.

Lol…. He’s skilled. No hype there just facts.

[TD 21]

The teams that could use him are teams over the cap but obviously they still have tools at their disposal like the MLE. It’s why I suggested the Suns as a natural fit.

I thinks it’s around that figure (10M a year) where the spurs may start to get pause about extending him. We’ll see. He’s definitely earned a chunky pay raise.

Not all do and the last thing the Suns need is a small guard who can't shoot next to Durant and Booker going forward. A 3 and D, secondary creator type would be ideal.