Game Thread: Spurs (16-49) vs. Nuggets (46-20) Friday 3/10/2023 7PM CST 3AM RIGA

[TXstbobcat]

Spurs +13

[Chinook]

I'm supporting this thread for the Riga time.

[ace3g]

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Spurs starters: Branham, Vassell, Johnson, Sochan, Collins

[MultiTroll]

Go with this one. ;)

I must have begun just moments after yours went up.

[Leetonidas]

This one's gonna get ugly quickly

[MultiTroll]

Excellent start.

I laid large on this Nuggets 1st half.

[Barfunk]

3rd place it is I suppose, since Detroit and Houston want to be little tank blockers. Let's try and keep that distance from Sharlotte.

[slick'81]

Another day another L. Hopefully hou and det can get lucky screw up and win sometime

[MultiTroll]

3rd place it is I suppose, since Detroit and Houston want to be little tank blockers. Let's try and keep that distance from Sharlotte.


Another day another L. Hopefully hou and det can get lucky screw up and win sometime
Did Jabbri Smith Jr. get censured? :madrun :spin:lol

5 seconds left in Reg: drills a trey for the tie.
1 second left in Reg: blocks Haliburtons layup.

[Leetonidas]

Nice, spurs making it interesting so far

[SPURt]

Jokic looks crazy good, he’s also playing good basketball, teehee. This Nuggets team is weird, basically a 500 team on the road but lead the West.

[SPURt]

Keldon is a totally different player when he’s hitting 3s. I wish he could keep it going for an entire season.

[DPG21920]

Spurs healthy = spurs competitive. Denver is a damn good team and it’s fun seeing this team compete. Shows how solid they can be if healthy. Sure wheels may fall off, but hope they stay healthy to end the season

[Thomas82]

The Nuggets are playing with their food!! The No. 1 seed in the West is about to mess around and lose to the No. 14 seed.

[heyheymymy]

Zollins Vass and Bran a combined 5-15 FG for the half.

[rankingtear]

Pop is serious, 9 man rotation.

[MultiTroll]

TF happened the last 2 minutes of the half?

McForbesbot and KJ drill 4 straight treys.

[heyheymymy]

Wow Zollins went bananas lol

Will it be a technical foul?

[Mr. Body]

Lol, how does Collins get two technicals? The refs in this league. :lol

[Leetonidas]

Collins got ejected?? Wtf??? That's fuckin ridiculous

[Mr. Body]

Porter gets one for taunting and one for putting hands around Collins throat.

Collins gets one for bumping him.

Where's the second tech, Adam Silver? :lol

[Cardinal]

Two technicals for Collins is ridiculous

[Chinook]

Collins just can't control himself. That's not "edgy". That's stupid. You don't have to be an asshole to be a good defender. That's how you look like you're good but can't seem to stop anybody.

[heyheymymy]

shit man double ejection

[heyheymymy]

Seriously like countless dustups with Zollins, dude is a hot head and needs to lay off the roids.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq5_DK0XgAAPJzt?format=jpg&name=large

[Mr. Body]

Seriously like countless dustups with Zollins, dude is a hot head and needs to lay off the roids.

He's been fine this year. Settle down.

[Mr. Body]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq5_DK0XgAAPJzt?format=jpg&name=large

Nice shot of Collins receiving his second tech. :lol

[Chinook]

I do think either Porter will get some additional punishment or Collins will get a tech rescinded. But I am not against the idea of the league cutting out that running after guys shit. You can eject a player with one tech, and it feels like the refs should've at least done that to give the Spurs a free throw.

[heyheymymy]

Maybe I'm overstating but kinda feels like a pattern for Zach. Could've sworn that's happened a few times before.

[Mr. Body]

I do think either Porter will get some additional punishment or Collins will get a tech rescinded. But I am not against the idea of the league cutting out that running after guys shit. You can eject a player with one tech, and it feels like the refs should've at least done that to give the Spurs a free throw.

Well, they blew it giving Collins two techs for one action. Man, the officiating in this league is as bad as I remember it ever being.

[heyheymymy]

Spurs are about to make this a Wemby win.

[Thomas82]

It looks like the Spurs will win this one. Oh well.

[Mr. Body]

Is Keldon Johnson the worst defender in the league?

[ace3g]

It's Mamu time!!!

[Barfunk]

Spurs taking off the mask for a game...

[MultiTroll]

Spurs D good or Nugs D dieded?

[BatManu20]

The tank taking another big hit tonight. Against the 1-seed no less smh.

[lefty20]

Mamu making his presence felt.

[heyheymymy]

huge triple for Mamu

[lefty20]

Sean is right. Sochan and Bran both should've passed it back to Mamu

[heyheymymy]

Mamu is like half Bonner half Baynes

[MultiTroll]

NoSpursNo!

Go Nuggets

[Thomas82]

The tank taking another big hit tonight. Against the 1-seed no less smh.

It definitely looks like it. Who would have thought we would waste those Rockets games tonight?

[John B]

Lose Spurs Lose :lol But hard to not root though

[Barfunk]

Enjoy this for a night, but just don't let Sharlitte pass you Spurs!

[Leetonidas]

Fuck the tank, hand Jokic his only loss this season with a triple double :lol

[Thomas82]

The Nuggets can't buy a stop tonight when they need it.

[scott]

MAAAMUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[John B]

Manu!!!! I mean.. Mamu!!! :lol:lol

[Thomas82]

Well, this one hurts because the Hornets, Pistons, and Rockets all will almost certainly lose tomorrow.

[Barfunk]

Egg Yokic with the loss

[BillMc]

Victory!!!:lobt:

[heyheymymy]

Exciting finish CLE MIA right now

[Spurs Homer]

Wtf?

[lefty20]

Healthy Spurs are kinda decent huh. Not necessarily world beaters or anything, but def not a sub 20 win team either.

DPG, get in here and tell em how it is bro.

[BillMc]

Spurs +13

OP with the Riga Time made it happen!:clap

[heyheymymy]

Damn Nuggets are at the top of the standings

[John B]

Well, this one hurts because the Hornets, Pistons, and Rockets all will almost certainly lose tomorrow.

Nah I don’t think Spurs catch CHA. Just don’t get the habit of winning :lol

[Seventyniner]

I didn't get to start watching until about 6 minutes left in the game, but that was fun even if it hurts the tank. Good for those fans that got to see a W over a very good team.

Please tell me Bill Land said "Oh Mamu!" at least once.

[heyheymymy]

cheers Bill good to see you :bobo:

[BillMc]

cheers Bill good to see you :bobo:

You too my friend!:toast:flag:

[Mr. Body]

This is our... INDEPENDENCE DAYYYYYYYYY

[Dex]

Dafuq?!

[Barfunk]

I don't blame the team tonight. The arena looked to be at like 85% capacity, against one of the top teams in the league. Couldn't help themselves, can't blame em'.

Enjoy the W! :flag:

[Jordan Jackson]

Not surprised. The Nuggets lost to the Bulls at home too a few days ago. Malone might want to refocus his team.
That Spurs game against OKC might be a win as well. OKC is quietly tanking down the stretch.

[Mr. Body]

Not surprised. The Nuggets lost to the Bulls at home too a few days ago. Malone might want to refocus his team.
That Spurs game against OKC might be a win as well. OKC is quietly tanking down the stretch.

Yeah, Presti locked Gilgeous-Alexander in the closet again.

[MultiTroll]

Wtf?
Mostly in 2nd half.

FG / treys

4-5 / 2-3 Mamu the new EuroTard
7-8 / 4-4 McForbesbot Asshat
5-7 / 0-1 Trey Jones
16-20 / 6-8

Ballgame.

[spurs10]

Victory!!!:lobt: Like old times!

[slick'81]

https://youtu.be/qUqx8mR8q_8

[DPG21920]

:lol Imagine not knowing your own team well enough to doubt that when healthy they are more talented than the sh*tty rockets. Who on earth could have seen this coming??!! No one. Truly unbelievable they are winning games and marching towards 5+ wins since Vassell and others started coming back.

[slick'81]

Told yall vassell would screw this up:lol

[BillMc]

Like old times!
:bobo Good Times Comin' In!

[DPG21920]

Told yall vassell would screw this up:lol

The amount of hate I got for evidently making a super contrarian call is hilarious. Now healthy, Spurs are going to win some more games and at worst be a lot more competitive vs getting blown out 6 games in a row.

I dont and never thought they’d win 10 more, but 5-7 seemed doable from when I posted about it and they are already at 3 and that’s with the massive tank against HOU 2x.

[sananspursfan21]

See? Should have never signed Mamakaravioli. Was he worth Wemby?!

[Mr. Body]

The amount of hate I got for evidently making a super contrarian call is hilarious. Now healthy, Spurs are going to win some more games and at worst be a lot more competitive vs getting blown out 6 games in a row.

I dont and never thought they’d win 10 more, but 5-7 seemed doable from when I posted about it and they are already at 3 and that’s with the massive tank against HOU 2x.

They're going to look a lot closer to what they were at the beginning of the year than they did most of the rest.

[MultiTroll]

Now show Collins with the unprovoked facial on Porter on what should have absolutely been a 2+1 for Porter.

[sananspursfan21]

Now because of our incompetent front office’s tanking abilities, we’re looking at a freaking :lobt2:

Mamakaravioli is costing us Wemby. We’re gonna mess around and win a couple rings instead of getting our guy.

[DPG21920]

They're going to look a lot closer to what they were at the beginning of the year than they did most of the rest.

Exactly. I dont know why that was met with such “what an idiot loll this team is awful and so bad and blah blah blah” It was literally the easiest call in history

[Mr. Body]

Now because of our incompetent front office’s tanking abilities, we’re looking at a freaking :lobt2:

Mamakaravioli is costing us Wemby. We’re gonna mess around and win a couple rings instead of getting our guy.

Lol, man. The Spurs had at best a 14% chance for the top draft spot. That's not changing with this win.

[DPG21920]

Spurs are in bottom 3 and unless CHA goes winless I think SA stays there. CHA also winning twice while SA won 3 times was great and should be enough. So I dont care much about finishing last - would be fine but doesnt matter. Rather see the guys stay healthy to end the season and end on a higher note.

[slick'81]

Spurs are in bottom 3 and unless CHA goes winless I think SA stays there. CHA also winning twice while SA won 3 times was great and should be enough. So I dont care much about finishing last - would be fine but doesnt matter. Rather see the guys stay healthy to end the season and end on a higher note.

cha seems to be running away with 4th i guess. If theres no difference in odds where the spurs pick 1-3 then this win is kool

[Degoat]

While I agree we should be losing, have a bottom 3 odds doesn’t guarantee anything

[DPG21920]

cha seems to be running away with 4th i guess. If theres no difference in odds where the spurs pick 1-3 then this win is kool

Ya, there’s zero difference in odds at the best picks. The only reason it matters within bottom 3 is how far back you can fall (pick 5 for worst team, pick 6 for 2nd and pick 7 for third). But if you arent landing in the top 3 anyways, doesnt matter all that much being pick 5-7 IMO. I mean, it matters, but not so much to get too worked up about IMO

[DPG21920]

The part that makes me chuckle the most is Spurs even though they were without Vassell and Tre forever and lost like 16 in a row - they still had a better record than HOU


And people had the audacity to try & argue HOU was more talented & better than when SA got healthy? How!


“But but but, HOU just beat SA twice DPG!”

Oh, you mean the games where one had Keldon/Vassell out and the other where Pop sat the other 3 starters ��?

When SA was healthy at beginning of season they smacked HOU twice.

[John B]

At sone point players will play competitive, it’s their career. Mamu auditioning for a contract, not just with the Spurs, but to any scout watching, Collins’ stock is definitely higher, McD scoring 20pts in 23 mins. And Pop knows how to stroke feed those hunger, showcase even. CHA is wayyy ahead

[DPG21920]

cha seems to be running away with 4th i guess. If theres no difference in odds where the spurs pick 1-3 then this win is kool

https://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

This is a great site that shows you in real time the pick odds by position

[spurs1990]

I don’t remember San Antonio in their heyday losing to a bottom 3 team. Denver has a lot to work on if they’re going to make it past May. No excuse to lose to even a full roster Spurs team tonight.

[SpurPadre]

Ugh...we've hit bottom now.

[SpurPadre]

Would prime Spurs lose to this Spurs team this late in the season without DNP'ing The Big 3?

[lefty20]

I don’t remember San Antonio in their heyday losing to a bottom 3 team. Denver has a lot to work on if they’re going to make it past May. No excuse to lose to even a full roster Spurs team tonight.

Bucks swept us in 06-07 season and finished with the 3rd worst record, tbh.

[daslicer]

I don’t remember San Antonio in their heyday losing to a bottom 3 team. Denver has a lot to work on if they’re going to make it past May. No excuse to lose to even a full roster Spurs team tonight.

During the '03 title run I remember they lost a game to the Nuggets on the road during the regular season. The nuggets were the worst team in the league that season. The Spurs responded by beating them by 30 the next time they played them.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200211260DEN.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200211270SAS.html

[boutons_deux]

Spurs are in bottom 3 and unless CHA goes winless I think SA stays there. CHA also winning twice while SA won 3 times was great and should be enough. So I dont care much about finishing last - would be fine but doesnt matter. Rather see the guys stay healthy to end the season and end on a higher note.

this morning, SA remains 3 L below Charlotte

[dbestpro]

The top three teams each have a 14% chance for the first pick. The Spurs have that locked in and this win does nothing to change their ability to select first.

[Dex]

Pop could've screwed that game up if he wanted to but you could tell the players were vibing. At a certain point, you gotta let them have some fun or you risk losing morale for the sake of a couple percentage points.

[Thomas82]

Nah I don’t think Spurs catch CHA. Just don’t get the habit of winning :lol

I read last night that our magic number is 12 to secure our spot....any combination of Hornets wins and Spurs losses.

[Mr. Body]

I read last night that our magic number is 12 to secure our spot....any combination of Hornets wins and Spurs losses.

Tankathon lists the Spurs as having the 5th worst remaining schedule, the Hornets the 15th. Basically, the Spurs face many more teams jockeying for playoffs or positioning.

The Spurs have three games in hand, though.

https://www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength

[Thomas82]

Tankathon lists the Spurs as having the 5th worst remaining schedule, the Hornets the 15th. Basically, the Spurs face many more teams jockeying for playoffs or positioning.

The Spurs have three games in hand, though.

https://www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength

The sooner we can stack some of these losses, the better.

[exstatic]

this morning, SA remains 3 L below Charlotte

Don’t count or look at the losses. We both want losses, but if we both lose all of our games, we breeze into the bottom 3. Charlotte needs us to win 6 more games than they do. They have won 5 more games, and that can never be undone. None of those wins can be taken off the board. The win gap is everything. Charlotte can’t do a damn thing about closing that gap.

[baseline bum]

Ya, there’s zero difference in odds at the best picks. The only reason it matters within bottom 3 is how far back you can fall (pick 5 for worst team, pick 6 for 2nd and pick 7 for third). But if you arent landing in the top 3 anyways, doesnt matter all that much being pick 5-7 IMO. I mean, it matters, but not so much to get too worked up about IMO

Wow didn't realize the odds were exactly the same for picks 1-4 among the bottom 3 teams.

[Mr. Body]

Don’t count or look at the losses. We both want losses, but if we both lose all of our games, we breeze into the bottom 3. Charlotte needs us to win 6 more games than they do. They have won 5 more games, and that can never be undone. None of those wins can be taken off the board. The win gap is everything. Charlotte can’t do a damn thing about closing that gap.

Yeah the losses don't matter. With teams that suck, the wins column are what count because they are rarer and unusual events. Losses are expected. We have to make up five wins to catch up with CHA. A tough task but not impossible.

[Mr. Body]

Tankathon breaks down exact pick odds.

The Spurs are most likely to pick at #6, at a 26% chance. Best just prepare for that eventuality.

What's crazy is that worst team has a full 47.9% chance of picking at #5.

[slick'81]

Tankathon breaks down exact pick odds.

The Spurs are most likely to pick at #6, at a 26% chance. Best just prepare for that eventuality.

What's crazy is that worst team has a full 47.9% chance of picking at #5.

fck tankathon. Spurs aint picking outta the top 5

[SpurPadre]

fck tankathon. Spurs aint picking outta the top 5

It's possible but can't ignore that Charlotte currently has a 25.7% shot at 6th pick so still plenty of reason for optimism to stay no worse than 5th.

[Degoat]

The Ringer did a mock draft with tankathon and both the pistons and rockets fell outside the top 5…. Spurs were #1 though lol

[Mr. Body]

fck tankathon. Spurs aint picking outta the top 5

Lol, literally more than a quarter of the time the Spurs will pick sixth.

[jjspur]

I think the "goal" this year was to get a bottom 3 record and they've pretty much done it. We can't control how many times Detroit or Houston win (which isn't much), however we can try to stay below Charlotte in the standings. Twenty wins or below should do the trick. Don't think Detroit of Houston get to twenty and Charlotte has already passed that mark. If the spurs reach the twenty win mark, at least it won't be viewed as the worst season ever. It will be tied with the season before Duncan joined the team, and just like then it was done to secure a better future.

One more time, it boils down to luck. We have the same odds as Houston and Detroit to get picks 1 - 3. Hopefully Houston or Detroit moves down a spot and we move up. but of course that can happen to any lottery team. Damn ping pong balls.

[slick'81]

Lol, literally more than a quarter of the time the Spurs will pick sixth.


lol, fck that quarter

[DPG21920]

With current record, if Spurs can survive not getting pick 7 and 6, then things start to look way up that they land top 4. Would be horrible luck to miss pick 7 and 6, but land 5 lol. Once you clear pick 6 & 7, odds shoot wayyyy up you are in top 4.

But have to clear those two hurdles first obviously. Will be very nervous time come pick 7 and 6 announcements

[SpurPadre]

Lol, literally more than a quarter of the time the Spurs will pick sixth.

You can say the same about Charlotte.

[Degoat]

I know we want a top 2 pick, that goes without saying but I think the spurs talent assessment team can find the right guy with a pick between 4-6 too.

[exstatic]

Lol, literally more than a quarter of the time the Spurs will pick sixth.

47.9% of the time, Detroit picks 5th.

[TD 21]

Ya, there’s zero difference in odds at the best picks. The only reason it matters within bottom 3 is how far back you can fall (pick 5 for worst team, pick 6 for 2nd and pick 7 for third). But if you arent landing in the top 3 anyways, doesnt matter all that much being pick 5-7 IMO. I mean, it matters, but not so much to get too worked up about IMO

You don't know that. Every draft has tiers. It's possible we look back at this one in a few years and the drop from impact player to JAG came at 5 and they ended up at 7 because they eked out a few late season wins.

[slick'81]

You don't know that. Every draft has tiers. It's possible we look back at this one in a few years and the drop from impact player to JAG came at 5 and they ended up at 7 because they eked out a few late season wins.


exactly, in situations like this its that 1 win or less% points that can make all the difference

[exstatic]

You don't know that. Every draft has tiers. It's possible we look back at this one in a few years and the drop from impact player to JAG came at 5 and they ended up at 7 because they eked out a few late season wins.

There are rarely tiers in the actual draft. Look at 2020. Vassell and Hali at 10 and 11, with some real crap up higher. If we are at 6 or 7, we’ll get someone good, because the Thompson Twins will likely go higher, and will be wasted picks. We wouldn’t be interested in Scoot, either.

[DPG21920]

You don't know that. Every draft has tiers. It's possible we look back at this one in a few years and the drop from impact player to JAG came at 5 and they ended up at 7 because they eked out a few late season wins.

Correct. I dont “know” that. Could be wrong looking back. But as things stand today, there doesnt seem to be “much” difference in that tier. But things change with the benefits of time. Unless you have some serious ranking gaps and tiers of your own that you think picks 6 & 7 are a major drop off from pick 5? What’s your rankings/tiers there?

[DPG21920]

There are rarely tiers in the actual draft. Look at 2020. Vassell and Hali at 10 and 11, with some real crap up higher. If we are at 6 or 7, we’ll get someone good, because the Thompson Twins will likely go higher, and will be wasted picks. We wouldn’t be interested in Scoot, either.

Wait, you think SA would not be interested in Scoot? Or Miller? I mean….Im not so sure my man

[exstatic]

Wait, you think SA would not be interested in Scoot? Or Miller? I mean….Im not so sure my man

Scoot seems like a bust waiting to happen. Spur are also rarely interested in heliocentric guards. When they’re not the focus of the play, it’s like going 4 on 5 on offense.

[TD 21]

There are rarely tiers in the actual draft. Look at 2020. Vassell and Hali at 10 and 11, with some real crap up higher. If we are at 6 or 7, we’ll get someone good, because the Thompson Twins will likely go higher, and will be wasted picks. We wouldn’t be interested in Scoot, either.

Despite Henderson clearly not being their type, even the Spurs couldn't be ignorant and close-minded enough to pass on him.


Correct. I dont “know” that. Could be wrong looking back. But as things stand today, there doesnt seem to be “much” difference in that tier. But things change with the benefits of time. Unless you have some serious ranking gaps and tiers of your own that you think picks 6 & 7 are a major drop off from pick 5? What’s your rankings/tiers there?

It was a hypothetical. The point was, I realize there's not much more they can be doing to lose, but to act like winning doesn't really matter at this point is foolish. It could easily come back to haunt them.

[exstatic]

Despite Henderson clearly not being their type, even the Spurs couldn't be ignorant and close-minded enough to pass on him.

You don’t pass. That’s a gift to someone. You do trade down if he’s not their guy, and yes, they do so if he’s not their type. There’s heliocentric, and then there’s heliocentric with meh shooting and poor rim finishing in a league with virtually no shot blockers.

It was a hypothetical. The point was, I realize there's not much more they can be doing to lose, but to act like winning doesn't really matter at this point is foolish. It could easily come back to haunt them.

[John B]

Haliburton, JDubs both picked at 12th. Haliburton is already an AS, and JDubs seems destined to be one. Damn I can see Harden in JDubs minus the craziness, big guard who just knows how to play. My point, outside of top 2, I think the Spurs can find that player in 3-7.

[TD 21]

You don’t pass. That’s a gift to someone. You do trade down if he’s not their guy, and yes, they do so if he’s not their type. There’s heliocentric, and then there’s heliocentric with meh shooting and poor rim finishing in a league with virtually no shot blockers.

I meant it in that way, so the point stands. There's no team more in need of an offensive centerpiece and marketable player and he's both. There's also a long history of his archetype (Francis, Davis, Rose, Westbrook, Wall, Fox, Morant) more or less panning out too.

You'll never be faulted as a front office for taking the consensus option high in a draft, but you will be if you try to get cute by trading down to select your type and pick up an additional asset which combined are unlikely to have the same value long term.

[exstatic]

I meant it in that way, so the point stands. There's no team more in need of an offensive centerpiece and marketable player and he's both. There's also a long history of his archetype (Francis, Davis, Rose, Westbrook, Wall, Fox, Morant) more or less panning out too.

You'll never be faulted as a front office for taking the consensus option high in a draft, but you will be if you try to get cute by trading down to select your type and pick up an additional asset which combined are unlikely to have the same value long term.
No to these guys. That archtype also has a huge injury flameout, early wash/career cliff history. Rose was great, injured out, and is now barely competent. Wall is washed at 32, and has been for a couple of years. Morant seems to be trending that way, missing 25 games last year. Francis career was over after 9 seasons. The last two of those totaled 54 games.

Scoot also isn't the athlete that some of these guys are, B+ at best, maybe just a solid B. If you're small, there are really only three paths to stardom: ungodly court vision, jump out of the gym hops, or knockdown 3 point shooting. He has none of them.

Spurs also don't care about picking the high mock guys so they won't be faulted. I also think that's not a true statement. GS is getting roasted over Wiseman. Philly with Fultz. Cleveland with Anthony Bennett. The list goes on.

[TD 21]

No to these guys. That archtype also has a huge injury flameout, early wash/career cliff history. Rose was great, injured out, and is now barely competent. Wall is washed at 32, and has been for a couple of years. Morant seems to be trending that way, missing 25 games last year. Francis career was over after 9 seasons. The last two of those totaled 54 games.

Scoot also isn't the athlete that some of these guys are, B+ at best, maybe just a solid B. If you're small, there are really only three paths to stardom: ungodly court vision, jump out of the gym hops, or knockdown 3 point shooting. He has none of them.

Spurs also don't care about picking the high mock guys so they won't be faulted. I also think that's not a true statement. GS is getting roasted over Wiseman. Philly with Fultz. Cleveland with Anthony Bennett. The list goes on.

Always got to be intentionally obtuse. They're not "Spurs material" (good luck getting a superstar/star who is), I'm not a fan of most and if I had my druthers, that would be the last archetype I'd pick to build around, but despite how poorly they age, all reached at least All-Star caliber, while some went all the way up to MVP caliber.

I meant with high picks, that absolutely factors in. The majority at least understand or it's easier to sell when you go consensus and it blows up in your face vs reaching for someone considered in a lower tier because of "culture".