How long will our Tank last?

[illusioNtEk]

In the world of basketball, we've seen several teams choose to tank for years, waiting patiently to make their grand comeback. Honestly, as a passionate fan, I've reached my breaking point! I implore our team's management to abandon this tanking approach after this season, regardless of the players we might bring on board. It's time for a change, and it's time for us to rise once more.

[slick'81]

Rise mf'ers!! Ill go 1 season of intentional tanking if we land a top 2 pick

[210]

Rise mf'ers!! Ill go 1 season of intentional tanking if we land a top 2 pick
I honestly think we have a team now to compete but they are being held back to secure a top spot. I don’t think these guys are this injured if it were a regular year. I think we are out of this tank mode next year. And in reference to Top 2 picks, I feel the safest pick is number 3. Assuming Miller is cleared, Miller seems like a sure thing verses Vic and Scoot. I’ve seen Scoot play and not impressed. Vic is impressive but i question his longevity. Then there is Amen. But his competition is questionable. Number 3 seems like the Elliot type pick where that year the number three pick was the better pick.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The next couple of drafts project to be bad, so I doubt the tanking plan would last for more than 1 year. How good the team would be even if they try to win is another question.

[BatManu20]

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[NickiRasgo]

Hoping the Spurs will land 1st or 2nd then I would say this is the only season when they will intentionally tank then they will try hard to win next season and next next but will still fall to around 22nd to 26th bottom due to lacking of experience and veterans. Honestly the NBA is quite loaded now and even if the Spurs able to land Wenby or Henderson, they're still far but that's what the future picks they've gathered are for so hopefully they'll be able to build the team nicely throughout the draft.

[John B]

Even if Spurs were to land Wemby, they need to bring him slowly and avoid any injuries till he’s NBA strong. So I think one or a couple more years will still be “stealth tanking” for the Spurs, depends on Wemby’s development. I’m not against it, getting a couple more lottery picks while Wemby getting stronger.

It’s a different situation in 1997 with Timmy coming into a DRob playoff team, after 4 years of college and NBA body. We have a 19 yrs old kid coming in a very young team. There’s too much risk to push in the 1st year, Chet’s injury comes in mind. So yeah I think Spurs would be cautious

[exstatic]

Even if Spurs were to land Wemby, they need to bring him slowly and avoid any injuries till he’s NBA strong. So I think one or a couple more years will still be “stealth tanking” for the Spurs, depends on Wemby’s development. I’m not against it, getting a couple more lottery picks while Wemby getting stronger.

The problem is, the next couple of drafts are ass. You’re tanking for a 1/7 chance at…what? They may be in the lottery, but it’ll be the back half.

[mo7888]

A couple months..

[mo7888]

The problem is, the next couple of drafts are ass. You’re tanking for a 1/7 chance at…what? They may be in the lottery, but it’ll be the back half.

2025 is the Boozer and younger Wembanyama class I believe... but next year is considered to be a down year. I think it makes a good case to use assets in next years draft + our two 2nd's this draft to either move up for an additional 1st this year or buy another bite at the apple in 2025.

[John B]

The problem is, the next couple of drafts are ass. You’re tanking for a 1/7 chance at…what? They may be in the lottery, but it’ll be the back half.

Definitely not swinging for the top pick. The Spurs need to be a little more competitive next year though or run the risk of a losing culture, but not good enough for the playoffs to still get a chance at a lottery pick. I don’t think they go all in next year. Too risky and could be catastrophic for Wemby getting injured.

[exstatic]

2025 is the Boozer and younger Wembanyama class I believe... but next year is considered to be a down year. I think it makes a good case to use assets in next years draft + our two 2nd's this draft to either move up for an additional 1st this year or buy another bite at the apple in 2025.

Boozer under the current CBA is 2026. He’s 15 r/n. We have the unprotected ATL swap. :smokin

[baseline bum]

In the world of basketball, we've seen several teams choose to tank for years, waiting patiently to make their grand comeback. Honestly, as a passionate fan, I've reached my breaking point! I implore our team's management to abandon this tanking approach after this season, regardless of the players we might bring on board. It's time for a change, and it's time for us to rise once more.

How are they going to abandon the tank? Have you seen how shit this roster is? How many games do you expect to win when Devin Vassell is the best player on your roster?

[exstatic]

How are they going to abandon the tank? Have you seen how shit this roster is? How many games do you expect to win when Devin Vassell is the best player on your roster?

Sochan is the best player. When they play the full roster, he scores close to 30 most times. He’s got the whole tool set.

[baseline bum]

The problem is, the next couple of drafts are ass. You’re tanking for a 1/7 chance at…what? They may be in the lottery, but it’ll be the back half.

Hard to imagine this team being in the play in even with Wembanyama.

[rascal]

2025 is the Boozer and younger Wembanyama class I believe... but next year is considered to be a down year. I think it makes a good case to use assets in next years draft + our two 2nd's this draft to either move up for an additional 1st this year or buy another bite at the apple in 2025.

A trade with Utah makes sense.

Utah has three first round picks this year and no first round picks next year.
Trade next year's Toronto pick to Utah for a mid first this year.

Utah may do this to get a first round pick next year as they still will have two other first round picks this year.

[Atl Spur]

I honestly think we have a team now to compete but they are being held back to secure a top spot. I don’t think these guys are this injured if it were a regular year. I think we are out of this tank mode next year. And in reference to Top 2 picks, I feel the safest pick is number 3. Assuming Miller is cleared, Miller seems like a sure thing verses Vic and Scoot. I’ve seen Scoot play and not impressed. Vic is impressive but i question his longevity. Then there is Amen. But his competition is questionable. Number 3 seems like the Elliot type pick where that year the number three pick was the better pick.

I agree with this ^

[spursparker9]

76ers tank for their process and get multiple good picks...

Spurs tank and didn't even get a top 5 pick in recent years

[Mr. Body]

The tank will end only when you stop masturbating.

[exstatic]

A trade with Utah makes sense.

Utah has three first round picks this year and no first round picks next year.
Trade next year's Toronto pick to Utah for a mid first this year.

Utah may do this to get a first round pick next year as they still will have two other first round picks this year.

F that. That Toronto pick could be as high as #7 overall and still convey. We have enough prospects without wasting assets. If you have 5 FRPs in two years, you have 5 extensions that come up in two years.

[exstatic]

76ers tank for their process and get multiple good picks...

Spurs tank and didn't even get a top 5 pick in recent years

The 76ers got Joel Embiid. Nerlens Noel sucked. Jahlil Okafor sucked. Simmons turned into a headcase, and now sucks. Fultz sucked. That was also when the worst team had 25% odds on pick one, not 14%.

[Mr. Body]

The next couple of drafts project to be bad, so I doubt the tanking plan would last for more than 1 year. How good the team would be even if they try to win is another question.

Projecting drafts this far out is completely senseless. You're setting your expectations on the unobserved, not-happened-yet physical and skill development of kids who aren't even seniors or juniors in high school? You're depending on ranking agencies who are lazy, depend on AAU circuits and word of mouth from people with ulterior motives, and which jacked Bronny James to like #10 because of pressure? Rating agencies never see players like Victor Oladipo or Stephen Curry or Ja Morant or Jeremy Sochan. They completely miss them.

Last year was supposed to be a terrible draft and it pumped out like a dozen of promising players already. This draft was supposed to be a generational draft and it's looking overall pretty iffy.

[exstatic]

Projecting drafts this far out is completely senseless. You're setting your expectations on the unobserved, not-happened-yet physical and skill development of kids who aren't even seniors or juniors in high school? You're depending on ranking agencies who are lazy, depend on AAU circuits and word of mouth from people with ulterior motives, and which jacked Bronny James to like #10 because of pressure? Rating agencies never see players like Victor Oladipo or Stephen Curry or Ja Morant or Jeremy Sochan. They completely miss them.

Last year was supposed to be a terrible draft and it pumped out like a dozen of promising players already. This draft was supposed to be a generational draft and it's looking overall pretty iffy.

I think the point may be that with generational type players, you see them a year out. It was so with Zion and with Wemby, and next year, there's no one to really tank for. The draft may be OK or even good, but it's probably not worth tanking for, since that's the thread subject. You could get a good player in the back half of the lottery, winning 35 games.

[Mr. Body]

Rating agencies gave us Marvin Bagley. They miss Antetokuonpo, they miss Jokic. They miss practically every star in the NBA. All they do is give a sense of who is good going into college and, now, G-League. Michigan had the #3 ranked class last year due to such exceptional players as Caleb Houstan and Moussa Diabate (and Kobe Bufkin, still in school). The #1 ranked class was Memphis, with Jalen Duren (good) and Emoni Bates, whose stock tumbled and Josh Minott, who was drafted in the middle of the second round.

[rascal]

F that. That Toronto pick could be as high as #7 overall and still convey. We have enough prospects without wasting assets. If you have 5 FRPs in two years, you have 5 extensions that come up in two years.

That pick is going to be no where near 7. It's going to be a pick in the 20s.

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I just hope the Spurs aren't left with a #2 pick and are forced to choose between Scoot and Miller. I hope we aren't forced to take Miller at all. Dude is Uber talented but he's a morality nightmare.

[Mr. Body]

I think the point may be that with generational type players, you see them a year out. It was so with Zion and with Wemby, and next year, there's no one to really tank for. The draft may be OK or even good, but it's probably not worth tanking for, since that's the thread subject. You could get a good player in the back half of the lottery, winning 35 games.

Joel Embiid -- rated 78th
James Harden -- rated 21st
Jason Tatum -- rated 3rd (behind Harry Giles and Josh Jackson)
Kawhi Leonard -- rated 56th
Paul George -- rated 292nd
Chris Paul -- rated 12th
Damian Lillard -- rated 214th
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander -- rated 31st
Russell Westbrook -- rated 137th
Brandon Beal -- rated 4th
Anthony Davis -- rated 1st (right behind him: Austin Rivers, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist)
Klay Thompson -- rated 45th
Stephen Curry -- rated 256th

High school rating agencies are as believable as Moody's when it comes to certifying banks. :lol

[exstatic]

That pick is going to be no where near 7. It's going to be a pick in the 20s.

They have a cash crunch this summer, with Poeltl, FVV, and Trent, and they won't keep all of them. They're a barely hanging on bottom half play in team, and you think they'll be significantly better next year?

[exstatic]

Joel Embiid -- rated 78th
James Harden -- rated 21st
Jason Tatum -- rated 3rd (behind Harry Giles and Josh Jackson)
Kawhi Leonard -- rated 56th
Paul George -- rated 292nd
Chris Paul -- rated 12th
Damian Lillard -- rated 214th
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander -- rated 31st
Russell Westbrook -- rated 137th
Brandon Beal -- rated 4th
Anthony Davis -- rated 1st (right behind him: Austin Rivers, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist)
Klay Thompson -- rated 45th
Stephen Curry -- rated 256th

High school rating agencies are as believable as Moody's when it comes to certifying banks. :lol

I hate HS ratings, so you're preaching to the choir. What you posted has nothing to do with generational players, the subject of the post you quoted.

[Mr. Body]

I hate HS ratings, so you're preaching to the choir. What you posted has nothing to do with generational players, the subject of the post you quoted.

I mean, what the fuck is a generational player.

Point is, deciding a draft is great or not before anyone has played a level above high school is completely fucking stupid.

[exstatic]

I mean, what the fuck is a generational player.

Point is, deciding a draft is great or not before anyone has played a level above high school is completely fucking stupid.

Kobe, KG, Duncan, LeBron, AD, Zion in the last 30 years. Two of them injury flamed, but it's a guy you can build a championship contender around for a decade, minimum.

You can get good guys in any draft, without tanking, which is the subject of this thread. My position is that you don't intentionally set a season on fire unless there is a franchise guy at the top of the next draft.

[MultiTroll]

Shaq, KG, Duncan, LeBron, AD, Zion in the last 30 years. Two of them injury flamed, but it's a guy you can build a championship contender around for a decade, minimum..
fixed

Don't mention Kobme and Timmy Duncs in the same basketball ability sentence again. Ever.

[Mr. Body]

Kobe, KG, Duncan, LeBron, AD, Zion in the last 30 years. Two of them injury flamed, but it's a guy you can build a championship contender around for a decade, minimum.

You can get good guys in any draft, without tanking, which is the subject of this thread. My position is that you don't intentionally set a season on fire unless there is a franchise guy at the top of the next draft.

Anthony Davis is a clown who never deserved his reputation, absolutely not a generational player. Generational talent? Sure. Kobe was drafted late. Garnett at only 5. The rest I'll give.

But you don't need that top draft pick to get those players. Giannis, Curry, Jokic, etc., but then we've all said this stuff before. Getting supremely talented players does not require those top draft picks and usually teams just squander those picks on players who don't deserve those picks. The point of the thread isn't to debate who can actually win championships or be a franchise guy. The thread is about tanking and how to tell whether a draft is going to be good. My point here is that it's not possible to tell how good a draft will be without that draft year actually happening. Or else Shaeden Sharpe would be Michael Jordan right now.

[exstatic]

Anthony Davis is a clown who never deserved his reputation, absolutely not a generational player. Generational talent? Sure. Kobe was drafted late. Garnett at only 5. The rest I'll give.

But you don't need that top draft pick to get those players. Giannis, Curry, Jokic, etc., but then we've all said this stuff before. Getting supremely talented players does not require those top draft picks and usually teams just squander those picks on players who don't deserve those picks. The point of the thread isn't to debate who can actually win championships or be a franchise guy. The thread is about tanking and how to tell whether a draft is going to be good. My point here is that it's not possible to tell how good a draft will be without that draft year actually happening. Or else Shaeden Sharpe would be Michael Jordan right now.
Maybe that's what I should have called it. I would only tank with a generational talent sitting at or near the top. As you said, you can get really good to great players outside the top 4.

[RC_Drunkford]

If we get Wembanyama or Scoot it‘s over. Team will still suck, but in OKC territory

[MultiTroll]

You both have valid points.

The "Generational" list needs to drastically paired down.

In our era it's been Shaq, Timmy Duncs and Lebron. That's it.
All were #1 overalls.

Wama has the franchise altering potential of those 3.

[baseline bum]

If we get Wembanyama or Scoot it‘s over. Team will still suck, but in OKC territory

Not sure that Scoot is going to be as good as SGA tbh

[exstatic]

Not sure that Scoot is going to be as good as SGA tbh

Not sure Scoot is going to be as good as Blake Wesley.

[Thomas82]

2025 is the Boozer and younger Wembanyama class I believe... but next year is considered to be a down year. I think it makes a good case to use assets in next years draft + our two 2nd's this draft to either move up for an additional 1st this year or buy another bite at the apple in 2025.

Their class is actually 2026.

[Thomas82]

If we get the No. 1 pick, I think this might be the only year.

[John B]

Maybe that's what I should have called it. I would only tank with a generational talent sitting at or near the top. As you said, you can get really good to great players outside the top 4.

Were Wade, Dirk generational talent? Those guys were the heads of the snake in their championship run, and I meant the 2006 Wade when he was Batman and Shaq was Robin. Would you tank for Dirk?

[exstatic]

Were Wade, Dirk generational talent? Those guys were the heads of the snake in their championship run, and I meant the 2006 Wade when he was Batman and Shaq was Robin. Would you tank for Dirk?

Euros weren't that well though of when Dirk was in the draft. Not a lot of big success stories, so back then, I probably wouldn't have. The 2003 draft was ridiculously good. I would have tanked, knowing I was getting one of Bron, Bosh or Wade. Bosh and Wade weren't generational, but they were better than a lot of #1 overalls in years surrounding, and a hell of a consolation prize.

[Russ]

Joel Embiid -- rated 78th
James Harden -- rated 21st
Jason Tatum -- rated 3rd (behind Harry Giles and Josh Jackson)
Kawhi Leonard -- rated 56th
Paul George -- rated 292nd
Chris Paul -- rated 12th
Damian Lillard -- rated 214th
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander -- rated 31st
Russell Westbrook -- rated 137th
Brandon Beal -- rated 4th
Anthony Davis -- rated 1st (right behind him: Austin Rivers, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist)
Klay Thompson -- rated 45th
Stephen Curry -- rated 256th

High school rating agencies are as believable as Moody's when it comes to certifying banks. :lol

This may be more like:

1969:
#1 -- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Lew Alcindor)
#2 -- Neal Walk

1979:
#1 -- Magic Johnson
#2 -- David Greenwood (former Spur!)

1989:
#1 -- David Robinson
#2 -- Armon Gilliam

1997:
#1 -- Tim Duncan
#2 -- Keith Van Horn

2023:
#1 -- Victor Wembanyama
#2 -- Steak Knives

It's Wemby or bust this year, no 2nd place.

[Mr. Body]

This may be more like:

1969:
#1 -- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Lew Alcindor)
#2 -- Neal Walk

1979:
#1 -- Magic Johnson
#2 -- David Greenwood (former Spur!)

1989:
#1 -- David Robinson
#2 -- Armon Gilliam

1997:
#1 -- Tim Duncan
#2 -- Keith Van Horn

2023:
#1 -- Victor Wembanyama
#2 -- Steak Knives

It's Wemby or bust this year, no 2nd place.

Will you stop watching when we don't get #1?

[baseline bum]

Not sure Scoot is going to be as good as Blake Wesley.

Ugh it looks like Miller is the obvious pick at #2. :vomit:

[exstatic]

Ugh it looks like Miller is the obvious pick at #2. :vomit:

He's biting the pillow in his first tournament game.

[Russ]

Will you stop watching when we don't get #1?

Nope. But until then, I'll stop thinking about Plan B (please spare the gratuitous references).

[baseline bum]

He's biting the pillow in his first tournament game.

It's a game they're up 20 against a crap team though.

[baseline bum]

This may be more like:

1969:
#1 -- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Lew Alcindor)
#2 -- Neal Walk

1979:
#1 -- Magic Johnson
#2 -- David Greenwood (former Spur!)

1989:
#1 -- David Robinson
#2 -- Armon Gilliam

1997:
#1 -- Tim Duncan
#2 -- Keith Van Horn

2023:
#1 -- Victor Wembanyama
#2 -- Steak Knives

It's Wemby or bust this year, no 2nd place.

Haha I remember James Brown asking Bob Bass at the draft lottery if they were going to draft Armen Gilliam instead of David because of the two year wait and he said he'd been waiting 25 years for a bigman like David so what's two more. :lol

[slick'81]

Imagine if they spurs got stuck with vanhorn :cry next to david

[Russ]

Imagine if they spurs got stuck with vanhorn :cry next to david

Believe it or not, there were some national commentators (a tiny minority) who thought Van Horn should be the 1st pick.

[slick'81]

Believe it or not, there were some national commentators (a tiny minority) who thought Van Horn should be the 1st pick.


Vanhorn was nice in college but he or ron mercer would of sunk this franchise

[Leetonidas]

Spurs are probably at least 3 years away from the postseason. Maybe 2 if they get Wemby and he's as good as advertised.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

bottom line spurs need to suck as much as long as possible without getting the team shipped to vegas

[mo7888]

Boozer under the current CBA is 2026. He’s 15 r/n. We have the unprotected ATL swap. :smokin

Good deal...When I looked it up nba draft room had him in the 2025 class...this is much better..

[mo7888]

A trade with Utah makes sense.

Utah has three first round picks this year and no first round picks next year.
Trade next year's Toronto pick to Utah for a mid first this year.

Utah may do this to get a first round pick next year as they still will have two other first round picks this year.

It makes sense, but more lime the Charlotte pick + our two 2nd's this draft..

[poopbox]

I mean what classifies as "exiting" the tank?

A winning season ?

Making the playoffs ?

This team is going to be really bad for at least 2 more years.

I mean the rockets started the tank two years before us and are still arguably worse than we are right now.

[illusioNtEk]

I'm concerned that consistently tanking could ultimately push the team out of San Antonio and create a losing culture that the city simply cannot afford.

Jeremy Sochan's recent comments about his desire to be part of a winning culture. The talented young player seems to be hinting that he won't put up with a tanking strategy for long. This kind of sentiment could make it difficult for the Spurs to attract and retain top talent in the future.

In my opinion, we should focus on winning games and maintaining a competitive spirit. The Spurs have already managed to secure a solid number of first-round picks through trades, which should allow for a strong rebuild without resorting to tanking for multiple seasons.

[Sugus]

I've said it elsewhere on the forum, but re-upping on my prediction: Spurs will not move forward with another "blatant tank" season like this year's. In the almost certain scenario where they get a top lottery prospect - wether that be Wemby, Scoot, Miller, whomever -, they will come into next season with a "let them play and see what happens" mindset.

This is not only the logical step, given how much the team values a winning culture and striving for greatness (much to some posters' chagrin), but also consistent with their historical moves, something they've done in the past: they did it with the LMA-DDR teams, and then again with DJM at the helm, playing out the entire season to see what they had in hand (which didn't amount to be worth enough to keep, to nobody's surprise).

Sochan's exploding rise is only further boost to this model. They won't want to keep holding him down, and he's been too damn good to be a tank commander. Place a healthy Vassell, a top lottery pick, Keldon if they keep him, and some vet FAs to fill out the roster...

I'm thinking they'll be much closer to the play-in next season than people are expecting, if not outright playoff-bound (an easy first-round bump, yes, but POs nonetheless).

[rascal]

It makes sense, but more lime the Charlotte pick + our two 2nd's this draft..

The Charlotte pick may never convey into a first round pick.

Other teams are not stupid and know these things so it doesn't have as much value.

But yeah that would be better if you can find a taker.

[exstatic]

The Charlotte pick may never convey into a first round pick.

Other teams are not stupid and know these things so it doesn't have as much value.

But yeah that would be better if you can find a taker.

Almost every FRP that is traded is exactly like that. You get a set of protections, and a period of time, and then it turns into one or more SRPs. It has as much value as most picks with similar protections, and probably more than when we got it last year, in this age of FRP scarcity.

[The Truth #6]

I've said it elsewhere on the forum, but re-upping on my prediction: Spurs will not move forward with another "blatant tank" season like this year's. In the almost certain scenario where they get a top lottery prospect - wether that be Wemby, Scoot, Miller, whomever -, they will come into next season with a "let them play and see what happens" mindset.

This is not only the logical step, given how much the team values a winning culture and striving for greatness (much to some posters' chagrin), but also consistent with their historical moves, something they've done in the past: they did it with the LMA-DDR teams, and then again with DJM at the helm, playing out the entire season to see what they had in hand (which didn't amount to be worth enough to keep, to nobody's surprise).

Sochan's exploding rise is only further boost to this model. They won't want to keep holding him down, and he's been too damn good to be a tank commander. Place a healthy Vassell, a top lottery pick, Keldon if they keep him, and some vet FAs to fill out the roster...

I'm thinking they'll be much closer to the play-in next season than people are expecting, if not outright playoff-bound (an easy first-round bump, yes, but POs nonetheless).

I agree with a lot of this. My only caveat is how high we draft and based on who we draft does Pop return? If we end up picking 6th, does Pop still come back? Probably but who knows. And if we get a new coach, then that’s a whole other set of variables.

[Sugus]

I agree with a lot of this. My only caveat is how high we draft and based on who we draft does Pop return? If we end up picking 6th, does Pop still come back? Probably but who knows. And if we get a new coach, then that’s a whole other set of variables.

I'm manifesting us drafting #1 until proven otherwise. Too much smoke there, it's just meant to be. But in any case, even if worst-case we fall to #6, I'd still trust the drafting department to make something good out of it. Pop, from the games I've watched, seems to be having a great time with this young group - he doesn't look like he's retiring this off-season, does he? Anything can happen, but especially if we draft top-3, I see him giving it another go next season.

Now that Quinn Snyder is off the board, tbh, I'm also hoping Pop re-ups so the "coach FA rotation" has a bit of time to recover and give some new prospect coaches. I think a year removed from the Celtics drama, Ime Udoka becomes a very real possibility. He was doing some good work in Boston before shit went south.

[baseline bum]

I'm concerned that consistently tanking could ultimately push the team out of San Antonio and create a losing culture that the city simply cannot afford.


Team is probably going to move unless it's a title contender by 2028 or so once the push for a new arena really heats up. If they're not one of the better teams in the league by then I can't see another arena vote passing.

[exstatic]

Team is probably going to move unless it's a title contender by 2028 or so once the push for a new arena really heats up. If they're not one of the better teams in the league by then I can't see another arena vote passing.

I think people are grown up enough to understand that the vote is Spurs: stay or go. If they use the same funding mechanism, hotel/motel/rental car tax, it would probably pass. That doesn’t directly hit San Antonians wallets.

[rascal]

I don't expect a tank next season.

The Spurs are tanking because they want Wemby this year.

[baseline bum]

I don't expect a tank next season.

The Spurs are tanking because they want Wemby this year.

I wouldn't expect too much out of them next season whether they get him or not given how stripped down this roster is on talent.

[rascal]

Team is probably going to move unless it's a title contender by 2028 or so once the push for a new arena really heats up. If they're not one of the better teams in the league by then I can't see another arena vote passing.


Agree, San Antonio won't support a losing team for long.

Las Vegas Spurs, silver and black to go along with the Raider's silver and black already there.

[rascal]

I wouldn't expect too much out of them next season whether they get him or not given how stripped down this roster is on talent.

Not saying they will be a playoff team next year but Pop won't be tanking so obviously as he's doing this year.

[rascal]

Almost every FRP that is traded is exactly like that. You get a set of protections, and a period of time, and then it turns into one or more SRPs. It has as much value as most picks with similar protections, and probably more than when we got it last year, in this age of FRP scarcity.

But Utah is not likely to want that Charlotte pick for one of their guaranteed first round picks this year.

It will take next year's Toronto's pick for Utah to have interest in moving one of their three picks this year.

[MultiTroll]

Ya I'm sure Pop timed it so a 29 point lead came down to the last shot in regulation by Memphis.

[stnick2261]

The question isn't "how long will we be bad?" it's "how long will we be tanking?". I agree with most here that regardless of outcome this summer, I don't think we tank past this season. We may be bad, but I think we at least try for every win.

[dbreiden83080]

The next couple of drafts project to be bad, so I doubt the tanking plan would last for more than 1 year. How good the team would be even if they try to win is another question.

Gotta land someone who turns into a star unexpectedly. Of course the last time that happened he was a snake in the grass that faked injuries to get out of town..

[mo7888]

But Utah is not likely to want that Charlotte pick for one of their guaranteed first round picks this year.

It will take next year's Toronto's pick for Utah to have interest in moving one of their three picks this year.

I doubt Utah will have a pick high enough this year to get Toronto's pick from us .. only top 6 protected is pretty valuable..

[buttsR4rebounding]

I doubt Utah will have a pick high enough this year to get Toronto's pick from us .. only top 6 protected is pretty valuable..

It's not how high the pick is, it's who is available with that pick.

[JPB]

Spurs are probably at least 3 years away from the postseason. Maybe 2 if they get Wemby and he's as good as advertised.

I strongly disagree with that. With the young core + this year's draft pick + cap + trades, they can be competitive as soon as next year.

[LeBowen]

It all depends on this year's draft and the development of youngsters.

Imo, without all the blatant tanking and sitting players almost every single winnable game, this is a ~30 wins roster already. And almost everyone is improving. So even if we disregard the draft and all the cap space and just assume we start the next season with the same same roster and a couple of rotation veterans added, 30 to 35 wins isn't that unrealistic if noone gets injured.

Then there's the draft. Hopefully we land a top3 pick and don't pick the wrong player. Regardless of who we get, I think there won't be any other major roster moves in 2023. No more tank, just let the kids play their best and see how far they get. Something like Utah this season, borderline play-in team.

If we get Victor/Scoot/Miller/whoever and they turn out to be the real deal, we'll see a big move in summer of 2024. Free agent, a disgruntled star or whatever. Keldon could get packaged if our new star is a wing, as already mentioned a lot of times in here.

Looking at the rest of the conference, most teams are close to their expiry date.
Suns, Clippers, Warriors, Lakers, Blazers are all old and they'll either need major revamp or they'll blow it up after 2024 playoffs.

Kings and Memphis should be the best teams in the conference for years to come, unless Ja completely destroys Memphis.
Mavs have their one-two punch, but their supporting cast is horrible and they've got no assets left. I can see Luka requesting a trade in a couple of years.
Kings are good, but need to show they're the for real. They play literally no defense.

Rockets are a dumpster fire, Pelicans should've been in the playoffs already but it seems that Zion is another Oden, with Ingram also unable to stay healthy.

Leaving OKC, Jazz and hopefully Spurs as the upcoming teams to take playoff spots.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Depends on who we draft and how NBA ready that person is.

Ideally next season sucks and we draft high. The following season we're on the cusp of being a contender, and then the following year is the breakthrough season and the Spurs are back to being relevant and in the conversation of the league's top 8 teams.

But who knows, we're a small market team on a limited budget. We could suck for the next decade.

[rascal]

I doubt Utah will have a pick high enough this year to get Toronto's pick from us .. only top 6 protected is pretty valuable..

Utah has three picks this year.
Don't count on that Toronto pick being a lottery pick next year.

I expect them to be a top ten team next year so a pick in the 20s next year.
If the Spurs like a player in the teens this year they should trade that pick.

[mo7888]

Utah has three picks this year.
Don't count on that Toronto pick being a lottery pick next year.

I expect them to be a top ten team next year so a pick in the 20s next year.
If the Spurs like a player in the teens this year they should trade that pick.

I expect Toronto to take a step back unless they can pull a trade that isn't on the horizon right now. Resigning their guys isn't going to help them improve.

[MultiTroll]

I expect Toronto to take a step back unless they can pull a trade that isn't on the horizon right now. Resigning their guys isn't going to help them improve.
Nephew and the whole team coming together might be a once every 25 years for Toronto.
Might be once ever.

Sad (to me) Nephew didn't stay one more year.
Still could have done Uncles LA plan.
I like Toronto people.

[rascal]

I expect Toronto to take a step back unless they can pull a trade that isn't on the horizon right now. Resigning their guys isn't going to help them improve.

I expect Toronto will be better next year.

Don't expect a top 15 draft pick next year from that Toronto pick.

[mo7888]

I expect Toronto will be better next year.

Don't expect a top 15 draft pick next year from that Toronto pick.

You've made your belief clear...as have I...

[baseline bum]

I strongly disagree with that. With the young core + this year's draft pick + cap + trades, they can be competitive as soon as next year.

21 wins to say 48 wins? Are we getting another prime David Robinson this summer or something?

[DPG21920]

Ya, even Lebron didnt make playoffs his first season. Now, we can say SA overall roster and situation is better than that, but 2 years would be an aggressive timeline even with Wemby for example.

[stnick2261]

It's not just Wemby... you have to include all of the missed games by our good players for whatever reason... and all of that cap space that can be used to get a FA (most likely in summer '24 so we know what we really need).

[RC_Drunkford]

It all depends on this year's draft and the development of youngsters.

Imo, without all the blatant tanking and sitting players almost every single winnable game, this is a ~30 wins roster already. And almost everyone is improving. So even if we disregard the draft and all the cap space and just assume we start the next season with the same same roster and a couple of rotation veterans added, 30 to 35 wins isn't that unrealistic if noone gets injured.

Then there's the draft. Hopefully we land a top3 pick and don't pick the wrong player. Regardless of who we get, I think there won't be any other major roster moves in 2023. No more tank, just let the kids play their best and see how far they get. Something like Utah this season, borderline play-in team.

If we get Victor/Scoot/Miller/whoever and they turn out to be the real deal, we'll see a big move in summer of 2024. Free agent, a disgruntled star or whatever. Keldon could get packaged if our new star is a wing, as already mentioned a lot of times in here.

Looking at the rest of the conference, most teams are close to their expiry date.
Suns, Clippers, Warriors, Lakers, Blazers are all old and they'll either need major revamp or they'll blow it up after 2024 playoffs.

Kings and Memphis should be the best teams in the conference for years to come, unless Ja completely destroys Memphis.
Mavs have their one-two punch, but their supporting cast is horrible and they've got no assets left. I can see Luka requesting a trade in a couple of years.
Kings are good, but need to show they're the for real. They play literally no defense.

Rockets are a dumpster fire, Pelicans should've been in the playoffs already but it seems that Zion is another Oden, with Ingram also unable to stay healthy.

Leaving OKC, Jazz and hopefully Spurs as the upcoming teams to take playoff spots.

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