What will next year look like?

[ivanfromwestwood]

I'm guessing Birch and Langford are out along with Dieng. Maybe even McDermott. And how does the emergence of Branham affect Vessel? Does Graham get traded and what does our big man rotation look like next year? I'm guessing Jeremy moves to the small forward position if we get Webby

[exstatic]

Way too early to know. Draft, trades, free agency can change a lot.

[MultiTroll]

Wemby
Jerami Grant
Donte DiVincenzo

[Mr. Body]

I think Birch, Langford and Dieng are likely gone. Dieng may stay in a front office capacity. The rest, who knows? Honestly think nearly everyone else will still be here, even KBD and Dougie, at least to start the season.

[slick'81]

We going to suck

[The Truth #6]

I’m curious to see how they approach our point guard issues. Depends who we draft of course, but if we don’t draft a point guard type, they might surprise us with some small moves. I don’t see much more to that than what happens at the next trade deadline, but even that is likely to be underwhelming with so many teams being mediocre and overextended. So yeah, probably not a lot of changes initially imo.

[JuneJive]

In continuity they trust, even during the tanking times.

[exstatic]

I think Birch, Langford and Dieng are likely gone. Dieng may stay in a front office capacity. The rest, who knows? Honestly think nearly everyone else will still be here, even KBD and Dougie, at least to start the season.

Birch is a strange case. They obtained him, knowing he was out for the season, but supposedly, they want to try to claim his insurance. He may stay on the roster for a while next year while they try to iron that out.

Doug and Graham become ending contracts, and with the new CBA, that could be valuable as apron and double apron teams struggle to fill their rosters. They may be traded this summer, and I can't see either on the roster after the trade deadline in Feb.

[Seventyniner]

Birch is a strange case. They obtained him, knowing he was out for the season, but supposedly, they want to try to claim his insurance. He may stay on the roster for a while next year while they try to iron that out.

Doug and Graham become ending contracts, and with the new CBA, that could be valuable as apron and double apron teams struggle to fill their rosters. They may be traded this summer, and I can't see either on the roster after the trade deadline in Feb.

The real question is how many seconds the Spurs can get for McBuckets and Graham. Seven?

[Mr. Body]

Birch is a strange case. They obtained him, knowing he was out for the season, but supposedly, they want to try to claim his insurance. He may stay on the roster for a while next year while they try to iron that out.

Doug and Graham become ending contracts, and with the new CBA, that could be valuable as apron and double apron teams struggle to fill their rosters. They may be traded this summer, and I can't see either on the roster after the trade deadline in Feb.

When does the CBA come into effect?

[Mr. Body]

I’m curious to see how they approach our point guard issues. Depends who we draft of course, but if we don’t draft a point guard type, they might surprise us with some small moves. I don’t see much more to that than what happens at the next trade deadline, but even that is likely to be underwhelming with so many teams being mediocre and overextended. So yeah, probably not a lot of changes initially imo.

Point seems a position of less importance to the SAS than other teams. Not saying they'd go without, but if they have Branham, Sochan, Mamu, and others able to bring the ball up and initiate the motion offense, that may be all they need for now. Graham plays that role too, and then of course Jones.

[poopbox]

same tank with whatever rookies we draft

[The Truth #6]

Point seems a position of less importance to the SAS than other teams. Not saying they'd go without, but if they have Branham, Sochan, Mamu, and others able to bring the ball up and initiate the motion offense, that may be all they need for now. Graham plays that role too, and then of course Jones.

It’s an interesting situation in that we have about five different people that could sort of fill-in, but it doesn’t feel like anyone’s really taking the job. Of course Jones is our best point guard but I would be surprised if they didn’t want to somehow eventually improve the talent at that position. But if we get a star at a different position to build around then it’s less of a need. So yeah, lots of options to where this goes with giving more time to our current players most likely, along with reality that Graham likely isn’t going anywhere.

[exstatic]

same tank with whatever rookies we draft

Nope. The tank is over. It was only on for Wemby. When there's a generational prospect, you know it a year out. There is no generational talent for 2024, so you're tanking for a 1/7 chance at what, exactly?

[exstatic]

When does the CBA come into effect?

I think this summer.

[The Truth #6]

If the mediocrity and or parity of this season continues into next season, then we could sort of luck into the play in potentially, if just enough teams decide go for the tank at the tail end of the season, that’s a possible outcome for next season, but overall I still see us in the lottery.

[R. DeMurre]

It'll be interesting to see if any team views Tre as having similar value to his brother Tyus as a quality back up PG. I could definitely see some team offering him the MLE. Tyus will make $14 mil next year.

[JPB]

I don't see another tanking year. Pop was OK to take a chance at Wemby or another nice prospect but I don't see him, at that stage of career, going for another year of 4th quarter funky lineups to throw the game... You can also break younger guys' motivation and progression with consecutive tanking years, while you better take care of them considering the difficulty to sign marquee FAs, either to keep them or trade them for good return (see Murray and White)...

The pieces are potentially there to build a somehow competitive team next year specially with the state of the WC... Sochan, Vassell, Keldon (maybe traded), Tre, Zollins, Doug (maybe traded) a top 3 pick (hopefully) + cap + whoever will survive the bargain bin... I could watch this. Now you still need a star, wich you could get with Wemby basically year 1 (probably not with Scoot).

[Mr. Body]

It'll be interesting to see if any team views Tre as having similar value to his brother Tyus as a quality back up PG. I could definitely see some team offering him the MLE. Tyus will make $14 mil next year.

This board hates Tre Jones for some reason, but he's shaping up to be a nice player. When he's feeling good, he peppers the basket with floaters and attacks, he moves the ball around, can play pretty pesky defense, and his long range shot is starting to look better.

[Mr. Body]

I don't see another tanking year. Pop was OK to take a chance at Wemby or another nice prospect but I don't see him, at that stage of career, going for another year of 4th quarter funky lineups to throw the game... You can also break younger guys' motivation and progression with consecutive tanking years, while you better take care of them considering the difficulty to sign marquee FAs, either to keep them or trade them for good return (see Murray and White)...

The pieces are potentially there to build a somehow competitive team next year specially with the state of the WC... Sochan, Vassell, Keldon (maybe traded), Tre, Zollins, Doug (maybe traded) a top 3 pick (hopefully) + cap + whoever will survive the bargain bin... I could watch this. Now you still need a star, wich you could get with Wemby basically year 1 (probably not with Scoot).

To me it depends on defense. No one's really mentioned - as far as I know - that Pop is throwing full court and three-quarters court presses on teams to try them out. A nice thing about having so many young players is he can throw them at teams in waves. The team might have a pretty strong bench next year. At least an active one.

One thing is that not only is the league not particularly great nowadays, but the superteam era has ended, in part because its players are aging. Phoenix might be the last of the breed (Durant/Paul/Booker) but they're no sure thing and won't be together for long.

We in in a sub-era where star-lead teams aren't totally dominant. Partly this is because the stars themselves aren't really that great. You have your Jason Tatums and SGAs and Doncics, but they're so iso-heavy that they cannot dominate. Memphis is often better without Morant. Philadelphia, Denver, Clippers, aren't that great, whether because they are unbalanced teams or don't have enough talent. We're seeing teams do well without stars, like Utah and the current Nets. Not great, necessarily but pretty good.

I'm personally not obsessed with landing a star. One or two might already be on the team, or will be coming up. Just concentrate on picking up good pieces, teach them how to play basketball. Actually play defense.

[The Truth #6]

Yeah, part of me is excited about a very democratic team without a heliocentric ballhog/potential dickweed. We are already that team, just not good yet. Malaki and Jeremy should have long NBA careers. I agree about defense so Jarace and Black are solid if we don’t land high. Pop would need to atay the coach I think, but Becky would likely command respect as well.

So as bad as things seem for the spurs right now, yeah, with the overall league being so mediocre while also being super extended with no draft picks, it really puts us in a pretty good spot relatively speaking

[buttsR4rebounding]

The real question is how many seconds the Spurs can get for McBuckets and Graham. Seven?

I believe 2nd round picks actually become more valuable with the new CBA. Double apron teams don't have an MLE to spend on players, but 2nd round picks now receive there own exemption if I understand it correctly. I know someone will point it out if I a wrong.

[TD 21]

It'll be interesting to see if any team views Tre as having similar value to his brother Tyus as a quality back up PG. I could definitely see some team offering him the MLE. Tyus will make $14 mil next year.

His brother became a credible 3-point threat, which changed everything.

I've said it ad nauseam, but small guards who can't shoot and aren't dynamic in any area of half court offense don't have much value, which is why he went 41st in the first place.

[Seventyniner]

I believe 2nd round picks actually become more valuable with the new CBA. Double apron teams don't have an MLE to spend on players, but 2nd round picks now receive there own exemption if I understand it correctly. I know someone will point it out if I a wrong.

iirc Chinook had a post about second round picks potentially being worth a lot more down the road if the CBA was changed in certain ways. I don't know if he envisioned this particular one, though.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

73 wins

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I'm guessing Birch and Langford are out along with Dieng. Maybe even McDermott. And how does the emergence of Branham affect Vessel? Does Graham get traded and what does our big man rotation look like next year? I'm guessing Jeremy moves to the small forward position if we get Webby

Think Pop likes Langford's game. Game comes to him easily. Doesnt force anything. He likes players like that. And when he's been healthy, he's been one of Pop’s first off the bench. I'd actually expect Langford sticks.

I'm thinking these last few games are for Mamu, Champ, and maaaybe Barlow and Graham to show they belong next year. Think of those 4, maybe 2 are on the roster come next season.

[duncan2150]

The draft will be a big factor, if they get a PG or even a guard one of Jones/Graham will probably be out.

Birch, Dieng are gone for sure imo and maybe Langford as he's rarely healthy.

That's 4 spots : 2 rookies and 2 fa's.

[CGD]

Predictions by start of next season regardless of draft:

- They extend Devon in the 100M/4yrs range
- They extend Jones in the 30M/3yrs range
- They extend Zach in the 30M/3yrs range (not sure if his current contract allows tho)
- They keep KBD or Champainge but not both
- Mamu & Barlow are on the roster
- Deing & Birch are gone
- Doug & Graham are on the roster to start season

Predictions dependent on draft outcomes:
- Keldon is shopped but not moved (unless there is a mega offer out there)
- Spurs trade 43rd pick
- 2 vets are brought in

[The Truth #6]

I think we’re stuck with Graham.

Langford is way too injured and inconsistent to rely on imo, but great as a defensive specialist for spot minutes on a good team who very occasionally gets hot. I’m not saying cut him but don’t overpay him.

Mamu seems like a keeper. Probably take him over KBD.

Probably too soon to say for Champagnie but keeping him over Langford isn’t outrageous to me.

I need to look at the roster, though. Lots of mouths to feed. Keeping role players with good bbiq makes sense to me in general.

[John B]

Tre is 9th in assist to turnover ratio. He’s been a steady starting PG for the Spurs, a soldier who does what he’s told and works hard to improve his game. I think he gets similar contract like his brother Tyus. But I think he loses the starting job to Malaki by mid-season or depending who Spurs draft. If Wemby or Miller, then Sochan plays PG. If Scoot, Sochan PF, still Tre slides to bench.

KBD will walk with a better offer. I think Barlow/Mamu gets his minutes off the bench.

Devonte, McD will get traded by trade deadline for picks. Champagnie seems to be the best replacement for McD. While Blake gets more of Devonte’s minutes

Dieng is gone. I think they’ll try what Birch can show as 3rd string Center, if not they waive him and try a project from waived or undrafted players

Spurs have 3 draft picks, plus undrafted/reclamation. Spurs will lose McD, Devonte, Dieng, KBD and possibly Birch.

Whoever they pick, even Wemby, Spurs would still be lottery team next season, and maybe the season after. But not for tanking purposely, but for allowing the rookies to develop while getting lottery pick(s) in the process.

I think Pop stays for his last coaching season. I’m hoping Manu gets the job, but that’s wishful thinking. That’s my take.

[cd021]

I believe 2nd round picks actually become more valuable with the new CBA. Double apron teams don't have an MLE to spend on players, but 2nd round picks now receive there own exemption if I understand it correctly. I know someone will point it out if I a wrong.

I think that is the case. I wouldn't be surprised if you see teams with a pick in the mid to late 20's trade back for two second rounders in the top 45. They do that now, but not having to use exception-money means they can sign young players they like to 3-or four-year deals to fill out the back end of their rosters.

[cd021]

Predictions by start of next season regardless of draft:

- They extend Devon in the 100M/4yrs range
- They extend Jones in the 30M/3yrs range
- They extend Zach in the 30M/3yrs range (not sure if his current contract allows tho)
- They keep KBD or Champainge but not both
- Mamu & Barlow are on the roster
- Deing & Birch are gone
- Doug & Graham are on the roster to start season

Predictions dependent on draft outcomes:
- Keldon is shopped but not moved (unless there is a mega offer out there)
- Spurs trade 43rd pick
- 2 vets are brought in

Pretty sure under the new CBA they can sign Vassell to a 5-year deal, maybe around $110 million.

[dbestpro]

20-62 if they miss out on the first pick this year.

[poopbox]

Nope. The tank is over. It was only on for Wemby. When there's a generational prospect, you know it a year out. There is no generational talent for 2024, so you're tanking for a 1/7 chance at what, exactly?

This team isn't very good. They won't be tanking trying to loose games like they were this year. They'll be tanking because they just aren't very good.

Who was the last team to tank once and get the number 1 pick once and then be instantly great? The spurs when they got Timmy?

There are only 3 players on this team that I would say definitely have a spot going forward. Sochan, who was great this year. Devin, who showed glimpses of being a high level scorer, though his defense took a concerning step back. Tre is the perfect backup point guard but you going nowhere with him as your starter. Everything else is up in the air. Keldon has plateaued and his extension hasn't kicked in yet. Collins puts up numbers but i'm not sure it translates to wins. Doug just needs to be out of here he doesn't fit the timeline. Even if we get Victor, he is not fixing all of that. I also don't expect the spurs to make many off season moves, since I think they know they suck and would rather season their own players than to pay for free agents to come in and help them have the 5th worst record in the nba next year.

[CGD]

Pretty sure under the new CBA they can sign Vassell to a 5-year deal, maybe around $110 million.

That sounds right, though I doubt it’s less than an average of 25M a year. RJ Barrett’s contract which is about that is basically the floor.

[CGD]

This team isn't very good. They won't be tanking trying to loose games like they were this year. They'll be tanking because they just aren't very good.

Who was the last team to tank once and get the number 1 pick once and then be instantly great? The spurs when they got Timmy?

There are only 3 players on this team that I would say definitely have a spot going forward. Sochan, who was great this year. Devin, who showed glimpses of being a high level scorer, though his defense took a concerning step back. Tre is the perfect backup point guard but you going nowhere with him as your starter. Everything else is up in the air. Keldon has plateaued and his extension hasn't kicked in yet. Collins puts up numbers but i'm not sure it translates to wins. Doug just needs to be out of here he doesn't fit the timeline. Even if we get Victor, he is not fixing all of that. I also don't expect the spurs to make many off season moves, since I think they know they suck and would rather season their own players than to pay for free agents to come in and help them have the 5th worst record in the nba next year.

I think it’s smart to carry a few movable contracts in the 8-12M range at any given point. Helps facilitate trades. That’s Doug and Graham next year, and I can def see the spurs signing another vet in that range for 2 years with third partially guaranteed. Maybe a Robin Lopez type that also helps with center depth issues.

[CGD]

20-62 if they miss out on the first pick this year.

I don’t know, maybe a fully healthy SL of Tre, Devon, Keldon, Sochan, Collins can knock on the door of the play in. And why not? Sounds like next years draft is projecting to be poor.

[Mr. Body]

I don’t know, maybe a fully healthy SL of Tre, Devon, Keldon, Sochan, Collins can knock on the door of the play in. And why not? Sounds like next years draft is projecting to be poor.

Last year's draft was supposed to be poor and it wasn't. This year's draft was supposed to be legendary and it's not.

[TD 21]

I don’t know, maybe a fully healthy SL of Tre, Devon, Keldon, Sochan, Collins can knock on the door of the play in. And why not? Sounds like next years draft is projecting to be poor.

:lmao

[cjw]

Nope. The tank is over. It was only on for Wemby. When there's a generational prospect, you know it a year out. There is no generational talent for 2024, so you're tanking for a 1/7 chance at what, exactly?

Had the Spurs tried this year, not traded away real rotation players and not had injuries, they wouldn’t have been a bottom three team and probably not bottom four. They’ll be better next year, this was a one year bottom out. PATFO knew what they were doing and did it masterfully without being too obvious, and while still developing guys.

To put it all into perspective, the Spurs only had one three man lineup exceed 600 minutes together and it was barely 600 minutes AND included Poeltl. There were 256 lineups in the league that surpassed this level. That’s the definition of not trying.

[BackHome]

Tre is 9th in assist to turnover ratio. He’s been a steady starting PG for the Spurs, a soldier who does what he’s told and works hard to improve his game. I think he gets similar contract like his brother Tyus. But I think he loses the starting job to Malaki by mid-season or depending who Spurs draft. If Wemby or Miller, then Sochan plays PG. If Scoot, Sochan PF, still Tre slides to bench.

KBD will walk with a better offer. I think Barlow/Mamu gets his minutes off the bench.

Devonte, McD will get traded by trade deadline for picks. Champagnie seems to be the best replacement for McD. While Blake gets more of Devonte’s minutes

Dieng is gone. I think they’ll try what Birch can show as 3rd string Center, if not they waive him and try a project from waived or undrafted players

Spurs have 3 draft picks, plus undrafted/reclamation. Spurs will lose McD, Devonte, Dieng, KBD and possibly Birch.

Whoever they pick, even Wemby, Spurs would still be lottery team next season, and maybe the season after. But not for tanking purposely, but for allowing the rookies to develop while getting lottery pick(s) in the process.

I think Pop stays for his last coaching season. I’m hoping Manu gets the job, but that’s wishful thinking. That’s my take.

Pretty Spot On

[JPB]

Whoever they pick, even Wemby, Spurs would still be lottery team next season, and maybe the season after. But not for tanking purposely, but for allowing the rookies to develop while getting lottery pick(s) in the process.



I totally disagree with that. I'm not sure everyone correctly measures the impact from day one Wemby would have on that spurs team, not only in himself but for the whole organisation and for his teammates. That's entire different dynamics then, with Wembry dragging everyone behind him, not to mention potential nice FAs...

He'll be ready from day one, with 2 year as a pro, including one as the main cog for an MVP caliber season in France. Remember TP only had one season as a pro, as a 10 mn/game backup. And Victor will only ger better by the season, like all the youngsters, with one more season under their belt, upping their game in Victor's wake... Sochan will be better, Tre, Devin, Keldon (if not traded) too. Same for an healthy Collins now.

Add a couple of quality vets via trade or with your cap space to a core of Wemby, Sochan, Zollins, Tre, Devin, Keldon (if not traded) then fill your bench with all the Mamus and Champagnies of the world + Wesley (hopefully getting it), Branham and whatever reclamation project, and you get a competitive team in the WC. Plus Douggie eventually if you can't or don't want to trade him.

Wemby would change everything from day 1.

[CGD]

Last year's draft was supposed to be poor and it wasn't. This year's draft was supposed to be legendary and it's not.

Fair enough, these talking heads basically repeat the same talking point on one or two draft watcher guys. And who knows what they really know.

[cd021]

That sounds right, though I doubt it’s less than an average of 25M a year. RJ Barrett’s contract which is about that is basically the floor.

You might be right on that. 5-years, $125 million is a lot but, with no options, the Spurs could have him under contract for six years while the salary cap is set to skyrocket. Players taken in the 2022 NBA draft might get extensions worth $30-35 million a year. I think I'd do that.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1645067936342720512

[jjspur]

We are a better team now than when the season started (if everyone is healthy and playing). Champagnie and Mamu were really good finds, certainly better than Roby and Stanley. Sure we need to replace a few players, but that's what the off season is for - to evaluate and re-evaluate in order to move forward. We could have won 8 - 10 games more this season if we weren't intentionally tanking (wink wink).

A good top 3 or better draft pick, a decent free agent signing or two and we'll be on our way out of tank town. Yes, we were bad this year, but a lot of it was by design. Who plays Gorgui Dieng in OT ?, Romeo Langford ... anyone ? That's real tanking strategy, you aren't fooling anyone Pop.

I'm sure the spurs will have a different strategy for next season. The draft lottery can't come soon enough.

[TD 21]

It's crazy how many are still delusional or in denial about just how bad or bleak it is here and the likelihood of them being far away from being a non bottom feeder, never mind anything beyond that.