Game Thread: Spurs (21-60) @ Mavericks (38-43) Sunday 4/9/2023 2:30 PM CST 10:30 PM RIGA

[TXstbobcat]

Spurs +4

Rockets -3 @ Wizards

[cd98]

Dallas has to tank but can they really put tank the Spurs in Dallas?

[Seventyniner]

Seriously just switch baskets and play to "win".

I can't believe the players union and owners agreed to a CBA extension without directly addressing tanking.

[John B]

Dallas has to tank but can they really put tank the Spurs in Dallas?

Mavs would look so bad finishing the season tanking in front of their home crowd. I think Mavs are alreaded locked at 10? OKC have the tie-breaker over them. How about vs Bulls?

[DPG21920]

Spurs +4 is a joke. I would smash that line

[Mr. Body]

Both Keita Bates-Diop and Julian Champagnie are on a .50/.40/.80 watch.

Champagnie is slightly short on threes and a bit short on overall fg%. He is 46/98 overall and is at .397 for 3p%. Of course a very limited number of games.

KBD is sitting at .393 for 3p%, right now is 53 for 135.

[Thomas82]

This should be interesting.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Mavs would look so bad finishing the season tanking in front of their home crowd. I think Mavs are alreaded locked at 10? OKC have the tie-breaker over them. How about vs Bulls?

They’re locked in terms of the standings but the tie breakers aren’t taken into account for the lottery odds, which is what they need to ensure. If Bulls lose and OKC look they would as well, I could see them putting the ball in their own basket over and over. It’ll be entertaining.

[JPB]

They’re locked in terms of the standings but the tie breakers aren’t taken into account for the lottery odds, which is what they need to ensure. If Bulls lose and OKC look they would as well, I could see them putting the ball in their own basket over and over. It’ll be entertaining.

Happened once in older european cups that were played on 2 game series (home and away) where the tie-breaker was total points scored in the 2 games. A team who lost the first game, but on the verge of winning the second by too small of a margin compared to their first loss, scored in their own basket to tie the game and go in OT to try and complete the point difference.

[JPB]

Btw, don't know if it's been mentioned already but the NBA is investigating the Mavs for sitting key players during their home loss vs. Chicago, and Kidd comments basically akwnoledging it was an organisation decision to tank the rest of the season rather than trying to make the play in. Luka played the 1st quarter then made an intentional foul at the start of the 2nd to try to get an ovation for what would be his last appeance of the game and the season, which failed...

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtR_kOLX0AA5dBk?format=jpg&name=large

[TXstbobcat]

Rockets line changed a little. Now Rockets -4

Spurs line still +4

[itzsoweezee]

Who is going to out-tank this game. I want the mavs to lose their first round pick, so obviously pulling for Dallas here

[spurs1990]

Pay these guys back 2006 and 2009. Or I mean Dallas should pay SA back for 2001, 2003, 2010, and 2014

[slick'81]

Spurs in full tank mode for #2 spot tonight:lobt:

[DPG21920]

Houston playing first is nice. Hopefully they win and it takes some “pressure” off the decision. Still want Dallas to win and lose tie breaker to Bulls & OKC for the comedy though.

[LeBowen]

Almost there. Not going to lie, this season was tiring to watch due to all the DNPs, but it was done for a higher cause.

Mavs are probably scared of being too blatant about tonight's game, so it should be another L if needed. Second or third, doesn't really matter as much, the goal was achieved and this will be the first successful season in 6 years if we don't get unlucky in the lottery.

[Ozzy]

Btw, don't know if it's been mentioned already but the NBA is investigating the Mavs for sitting key players during their home loss vs. Chicago, and Kidd comments basically akwnoledging it was an organisation decision to tank the rest of the season rather than trying to make the play in. Luka played the 1st quarter then made an intentional foul at the start of the 2nd to try to get an ovation for what would be his last appeance of the game and the season, which failed...

Just to not make Luka look like a complete primadona: The games was set up as 'Slovenia night' since beginning of the season when Dragic was still on the Bulls. There was a big delegation from Slovenian basketball association as well as number of fans from Slovenia. I doubt that he would have played at all if that wasn't the case.

[Mr. Body]

Rox getting wrecked straight out of the gate.

Dallas needs to lose wwaaaaayyy more than the Spurs do. Everyone swore the Spurs would outtank the Blazers and they didn't.

[Russ]

This pretty much sums up the season -- last game of the year and I can't even get the Spurs' broadcast on League Pass.

[Mr. Body]

Isaiah Roby has signed with the NYK for one single game, in which he is not playing. Made $400,000. For a full season that would be like $32 million. But this allows him to work with them over the summer, it appears.

[spurs10]

Mavs would look so bad finishing the season tanking in front of their home crowd. I think Mavs are alreaded locked at 10? OKC have the tie-breaker over them. How about vs Bulls? Ariel explained they are out of the play-in, but could still be in a coin toss and could lose their 10 protected pick. They have great incentive to lose. Maybe more than us. It's something I don't fully understand, but they now have an 80% chance of keeping their pick, that drops in half with a win....but again I don't quite know the specifics.

[JPB]

This pretty much sums up the season -- last game of the year and I can't even get the Spurs' broadcast on League Pass.

Well, there's alternatives.

[JPB]

Just to not make Luka look like a complete primadona: The games was set up as 'Slovenia night' since beginning of the season when Dragic was still on the Bulls. There was a big delegation from Slovenian basketball association as well as number of fans from Slovenia. I doubt that he would have played at all if that wasn't the case.

Yeah, that's entirely on Mavs organisation and Cuban.. They'll probably pay another huge one for that.

[Mal]

If Pistons get Wembayama, there is no god

[JPB]

so, just lose now and you're guaranteed to be 2nd worst.

[Spurs Homer]

Rockets win!

[Spurs Homer]

Cmon pop
do not fuck this up!

[DPG21920]

Well, worst case is we get a shot at a coin toss with HOU. So that’s good. Still hope no matter what that SA can slightly improve the fringe stuff that matters. I think SA beats DAL but you never know.

[Mr. Body]

Are people going to jump out of buildings when the Spurs win today?

[Spurs Homer]

Well, worst case is we get a shot at a coin toss with HOU. So that’s good. Still hope no matter what that SA can slightly improve the fringe stuff that matters. I think SA beats DAL but you never know.

not sure id want a coin toss
followed by a lotto ball spin

id hope we dont have to tempt fate twice to get the top pick

[DPG21920]

You would think after all the crap Dallas just got for tanking that it would be silly to not ensure the loss. Might see some wild stuff from Dallas/Kidd here.

Why take the heat just to bail in the last game? Hope Pop really pulls out all the stops for the tank. Losing would hurt Dallas and help Spurs future so losing should be the goal here no matter how you slice it.

[LeBowen]

Well, not getting a top3 pick would be a disaster either way, so I'm not too concerned about getting second or third worst record.

On the other hand, Dallas simply must lose and we could accelerate their meltdown. If they win tonight, they could fall to 11th and lose their pick.

[Ariel]

not sure id want a coin toss
followed by a lotto ball spin

id hope we dont have to tempt fate twice to get the top pick
:lol luck doesn't wear out

[Mr. Body]

Lol these lineups

[Spurs Homer]

:lol luck doesn't wear out

it does in my world…

it absolutely wears the fuck off


:cry:cry

[Ariel]

Mavs would look so bad finishing the season tanking in front of their home crowd. I think Mavs are alreaded locked at 10? OKC have the tie-breaker over them. How about vs Bulls?

Their regular season position gives them certain odds at the final drafting position, which isn't known until the draft lottery takes place. However, the difference in chances is huge:
If Dallas loses they have a 79.8% (if Utah loses) or 88.35% (if Utah wins) chance of keeping their pick
If Dallas wins and both OKC and Chicago win (unlikely) they have a 79.8% chance of keeping their pick
If Dallas wins and one of OKC/Chicago wins and the other loses, they have a 44.15% chance of keeping their pick
If Dallas wins and both OKC/Chicago lose, they have a 32.13% chance of keeping their pick
So by winning tomorrow Dallas goes from very likely keeping the pick (80% to 88%) to unlikely to keep their pick (32% to 44%). That's a jump from 1-4 or 9/10 to not having a pick at all. In contrast, a win tomorrow means there's a 13% chance we get pushed back one spot. Much less significant to us.

[MultiTroll]

How obvious is the Mav tanking?

[spurs1990]

Spurs have to be the stupidest franchise ever winning this game. You can deprive Dallas of getting better by letting them win.

[Mr. Body]

Markieff Morris with the utter humiliation of being forced to play in this game. :lol

[Degoat]

Gonna be impossible to lose this game

[Thomas82]

The Mavericks are trying like hell to throw is game away.

[Mr. Body]

Dallas's lineup has to be the worst of all time.

[LeBowen]

Not a good start, we absolutely must make Mavs win and lose their pick.

[Thomas82]

It's getting ugly fast.

[Mr. Body]

I wanna know ow may of you are going to kill yourselves when the Spurs win this easily.

[Ariel]

I'm not going to say I'd rather Dallas miss their pick than us get Wemby... but close.

[spurs1990]

You have to take away Dallas 1st as punishment for obvious manipulation here.

[Ariel]

If we can't lose... I say beat them by 80+ and expose them further.

[Thomas82]

You have to take away Dallas 1st as punishment for obvious manipulation here.

Yeah, it's blatantly obvious.

[spurs1990]

They could’ve rested Jones. Branham didn’t have to play. Just maddening decision by this coach

[Thomas82]

If we can't lose... I say beat them by 80+ and expose them further.

Not a bad fallback option, especially since we clinched the #2 spot with Houston winning.

[Barfunk]

God dammit lol

[Mr. Body]

Again, it's too bad Bassey couldn't get all this run.

[Mal]

This is tankjob of century

[Mr. Body]

Wesley really has a nice outside shot.

[LeBowen]

I'm not too fussed about Spurs having second or third best record, same odds for top3 and anything outside of it is a disaster, anyway.

Mavs having MVP level superstar and blatantly tanking is a different story. This is just embarrassing. The league has become a joke, just a handful of decent games whole week long.

[Barfunk]

So now that Houston won and we might win here, does that mean we have the tie-breaker against Houston for the tank (2nd place)? Or how does this work?

[Degoat]

Not a bad fallback option, especially since we clinched the #2 spot with Houston winning.

Unless I’m wrong here we haven’t clinched the 2nd spot right? If we win will be tied with Houston resulting in a coin flip

[LeBowen]

So now that Houston won and we might win here, does that mean we have the tie-breaker against Houston for the tank (2nd place)? Or how does this work?

I might be wrong, but h2h doesn't matter for lottery, should be a coin toss.

[spurs1990]

No Johnson, Vassell, Sochan, McDermott, Collins and Dallas is down 33-9 to a team with a double digit pt differential and most ppg allowed in 40 years and who’s won 20 games

[szkorhetz]

Unless I’m wrong here we haven’t clinched the 2nd spot right? If we win will be tied with Houston resulting in a coin flip
I think that's right.

[Mal]

Cuban can release players families from custody

[Spurs Homer]

NOW wesley can shoot

pop fucked this up already

[Mr. Body]

NOW wesley can shoot

pop fucked this up already

He was always a good shooter.

[spurs1990]

Jail blazers also were down 28 after 1 vs GS - 55-27. At least Dallas didn’t give up 55 pts in a quarter

[SPURt]

Best quarter of the season lol

[Barfunk]

I might be wrong, but h2h doesn't matter for lottery, should be a coin toss.

Ah ok thanks, that shines a light.

[DPG21920]

What we’ve seen with Spurs vs Kings, POR and now Dallas etc..and the difference in what you see in HOU and DAL is night and day. Spurs play professional basketball regardless of who is suiting up and there is a purpose and development.

These other teams are full of losers.

[horseshue]

Da fuk???

[djohn2oo8]

What we’ve seen with Spurs vs Kings, POR and now Dallas etc..and the difference in what you see in HOU and DAL is night and day. Spurs play professional basketball regardless of who is suiting up and there is a purpose and development.

These other teams are full of losers.
If the Spurs played professional basketball they wouldn’t have 60 losses either.

[horseshue]

Jail blazers also were down 28 after 1 vs GS - 55-27. At least Dallas didn’t give up 55 pts in a quarter

Dallas gave it. Spurs couldn't score 55.

[LeBowen]

Tbh, just beat them by 70.

[DPG21920]

If the Spurs played professional basketball they wouldn’t have 60 losses either.

Nah - give the Spurs multiple top 3 picks and multiple years in top half of lottery and Spurs wouldn’t be like this. Spurs also dealt with plenty of injuries this year. Look at these games and regardless of who is playing, Spurs competing and playing and executing.

Records look the same but it’s a WORLD of difference.

[Barfunk]

In a way I don't blame the Mavs for blatantly throwing the game. They are probably getting word that Luka Donbitch wants to go to one of the big markets as ESPN and the like don't promote the Mavericks in the least like they do Boston, Brooklyn, Chicago, Golden State, the LA Lakers and LA Clippers, Miami, and New York. And because of ESPN and the like, the Mavericks simply aren't a desirable destination and Luka knows this. He wants to be in one of the cool markets that's accepted by the mainstream fans and media.

[Spurs Homer]

Branham needs to play every minute of this game…

then the mavs might have a shot

[ace3g]

Let's go Bertans!!!

[djohn2oo8]

Nah - give the Spurs multiple top 3 picks and multiple years in top half of lottery and Spurs wouldn’t be like this. Spurs also dealt with plenty of injuries this year. Look at these games and regardless of who is playing, Spurs competing and playing and executing.

Records look the same but it’s a WORLD of difference.
Hate to break it to you. But losing on purpose is not professional ball no matter what the plan is. There is no difference. There is no categorizing it. Everybody likes the potential end result of the Viktor. Still doesn’t mean it’s professional. Intentionally putting the worst product on the floor to lose games is not professional. No matter which team. It’s a business decision, but openly admitting to it will get you investigated like Dallas.

[TD 21]

They could’ve rested Jones. Branham didn’t have to play. Just maddening decision by this coach

Imagine the beating Silas, Rivers, etc. would be taking for this . . . but "it's not about race".

Yes, the Spurs probably would have won anyway, but the point is they could and should have been doing more to lose.



In a way I don't blame the Mavs for blatantly throwing the game. They are probably getting word that Luka Donbitch wants to go to one of the big markets as ESPN and the like don't promote the Mavericks in the least like they do Boston, Brooklyn, Chicago, Golden State, the LA Lakers and LA Clippers, Miami, and New York. And because of ESPN and the like, the Mavericks simply aren't a desirable destination and Luka knows this. He wants to be in one of the cool markets that's accepted by the mainstream fans and media.

The hipster nerd stat geeks are about five minutes away from trying to speak Doncic to their pet Craptors into existence.

[Barfunk]

Dieng sighting!

[Spurs Homer]

Mavs about to get a beat down in the locker room..lol

[Barfunk]

Imagine the beating Silas, Rivers, etc. would be taking for this . . . but "it's not about race".

Yes, the Spurs probably would have won anyway, but the point is they could and should have been doing more to lose.




The hipster nerd stat geeks are about five minutes away from trying to speak Doncic to their pet Craptors into existence.

Lmao

[Thomas82]

Unless I’m wrong here we haven’t clinched the 2nd spot right? If we win will be tied with Houston resulting in a coin flip

Yeah, we did because of the 3rd tiebreaker, which is your record against the other teams in your division. The Rockets have us beat there.

[Thomas82]

I can't put into words how hilarious it would be if the Mavericks come all the way back and win. If they do, I'll be LMAO for the rest of the day.

[scott]

LOL people with their panties in a bunch about the Spurs up in a tankathon.

Would love to see the Mavs win the coin flip, get the protected #10 pick, then the NBA make them forfeit it for making a mockery of Slovenia Night. :lol Then Dallas still owes a top 10 protected pick next year too.

[Atl Spur]

Wesley has a lot of work to do……..no feel for the game! A couple of years away I’m thinking…..

[Mal]

This shit is literally unwatchable. All-stars game wibes with no all-stars

[Mal]

LOL people with their panties in a bunch about the Spurs up in a tankathon.

Would love to see the Mavs win the coin flip, get the protected #10 pick, then the NBA make them forfeit it for making a mockery of Slovenia Night. :lol Then Dallas still owes a top 10 protected pick next year too.

Can they penalize them by putting them lower in draft ?

[Jordan Jackson]

Hate to break it to you. But losing on purpose is not professional ball no matter what the plan is. There is no difference. There is no categorizing it. Everybody likes the potential end result of the Viktor. Still doesn’t mean it’s professional. Intentionally putting the worst product on the floor to lose games is not professional. No matter which team. It’s a business decision, but openly admitting to it will get you investigated like Dallas.

Yup. A bad team is a bad team. Plain and simple. Spurs are on pace to be one of the historically worst defensive teams ever. There is no spinning this shit. Mind you - it’s a tank job and most people seem to accept it now. No choice.

The true test is who gets themselves out of this shit the fastest and with the best results = back to contention for championships.

[scott]

Can they penalize them by putting them lower in draft ?

The league has taken away picks before, but I don't think they've ever just dropped a team. If they did that in this case, it would effectively reward the pick to New York - my guess is the league wouldn't want to be seen as benefiting one specific team by punishing another.

[scott]

Bertans looking solid at least.

[stephen jackson]

Why does kbd play so much so annoying

[BackHome]

Wesley has a lot of work to do……..no feel for the game! A couple of years away I’m thinking…..

Yeah he was drafted knowing that it would take a few years for him to reach his potential - Rough Diamonds need time to be cleaned up and shined

[Mal]

The league has taken away picks before, but I don't think they've ever just dropped a team. If they did that in this case, it would effectively reward the pick to New York - my guess is the league wouldn't want to be seen as benefiting one specific team by punishing another.

But that would be strong message, with all those protected picks and swap coming next years

[scott]

But that would be strong message, with all those protected picks and swap coming next years

The Mavs don't have any picks incoming, at least per this: https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

IMO, simply stripping them of pick 10 would be the harshest punishment (as opposed to letting it go to NYK this year). It would mean they tanked out of the playoffs for nothing, they'd still owe that pick to NYK for the next two seasons worth of lotto protection, and they'd be unable to trade away their 25 or 26 pick due to those protections. They already can't trade away their 28 pick because they traded their 29 pick, meaning the only have one tradeable FRP left to try and improve the roster. They might end up forced into a position where they have to move Luka for a haul in order to rebuild their team.

You hate to see it.

[Atl Spur]

Yeah he was drafted knowing that it would take a few years for him to reach his potential - Rough Diamonds need time to be cleaned up and shined

Yep

[Seventyniner]

I think stripping Dallas of their first this year would be a terrible precedent. Sure they blatantly tanked but it was only a couple of games. The Spurs/Rockets/Pistons have been less obvious but all season long.

[DPG21920]

Hate to break it to you. But losing on purpose is not professional ball no matter what the plan is. There is no difference. There is no categorizing it. Everybody likes the potential end result of the Viktor. Still doesn’t mean it’s professional. Intentionally putting the worst product on the floor to lose games is not professional. No matter which team. It’s a business decision, but openly admitting to it will get you investigated like Dallas.

NO- Im talking about regardless of the types of talent you have on the floor HOW they play. Do they play hard? Do they compete? Do they try and run and cut and move and give effort?

Do they care about getting embarrassed? Do you see real development and progress. Teams with same records (HOU and SA) but very different processes

[DPG21920]

Branham has been better than advertised. I was excited about him in draft but not because I thought he would be this good in his first season. He’s’ really shown a lot more than I personally expected.

[scott]

Branham has been better than advertised. I was excited about him in draft but not because I thought he would be this good in his first season. He’s’ really shown a lot more than I personally expected.

100%. And a good reminder to not put too much stock in the summer league, where Blake looked great and Bran looked terrible. At this point, I really like Bran in that 6th man microwave role we hoped Lonnie could grow into, whereas I'm not sure Blake is an NBA player.

[Mal]

The Mavs don't have any picks incoming, at least per this: https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

IMO, simply stripping them of pick 10 would be the harshest punishment (as opposed to letting it go to NYK this year). It would mean they tanked out of the playoffs for nothing, they'd still owe that pick to NYK for the next two seasons worth of lotto protection, and they'd be unable to trade away their 25 or 26 pick due to those protections. They already can't trade away their 28 pick because they traded their 29 pick, meaning the only have one tradeable FRP left to try and improve the roster. They might end up forced into a position where they have to move Luka for a haul in order to rebuild their team.

You hate to see it.

Not about Mavs themselves, but league wide message. All those picks and protections, swaps are just impossible to follow.

[DPG21920]

100%. And a good reminder to not put too much stock in the summer league, where Blake looked great and Bran looked terrible. At this point, I really like Bran in that 6th man microwave role we hoped Lonnie could grow into, whereas I'm not sure Blake is an NBA player.

Ya - I mean Im not down on Wesley - he had some spurts that really stood out, but he was more in line with expectations of being raw. Branham just leaped so damn much as year went on that it’s wild.

He looks like a legit player already - this off season is so huge for Spurs on every level (continued work for Vassell/Keldon/Sochan/Branham/Wesley, draft, etc..)

[Dex]

Spurs had ONE fucking job!

That said, tank well done fellas

[Spurs Homer]

Well, this season fucking blew

idiots could not even tank properly

[LeBowen]

It's done. Finally.

Enjoyed most of the season, I don't mind losing, but all the DNPs made it difficult to watch because we're watching a lot of players that have no future in Spurs uniform or even in the league. Still, it had to be done.

I don't expect Spurs to make the playoffs next season, even with Wemby, but I really hope this was the only blatant tank season. Develop the young guys and let them play their best. Another season of this would have a negative impact on the entire franchise.

[DPG21920]

Nah - Spurs could tank again with how they do it and be fine. This isn’t HOU with terrible losing culture and no accountability.

[DPG21920]

Spurs are better than lots of teams, just missing their star.

If you swapped Luka onto this years Spurs, they are so much better than Dallas it’s laughable. Just need their guy.

[LeBowen]

Spurs are better than lots of teams, just missing their star.

If you swapped Luka onto this years Spurs, they are so much better than Dallas it’s laughable. Just need their guy.


That's why Spurs can't tank the next season. It took a lot of effort to get top3 and everyone relevant in the roster should get better.
Add a top3 pick (hopefully) and we'll have a season similar to what Thunder, Pacers and Jazz had this season.

Play the next season out, see what's the actual ceiling of this roster with another lottery pick and then make a big move in 2024 with all that cap space.

[scott]

Spurs are better than lots of teams, just missing their star.

If you swapped Luka onto this years Spurs, they are so much better than Dallas it’s laughable. Just need their guy.

San Antonio Receives: Luka Doncic

Dallas Receives: Keldon Johnson, Devin Vassell, 2024 SAS Unprotected FRP, 2025 FRP From CHI, 2025 FRP from ATL, 2027 FRP from ATL

[scott]

San Antonio Receives: Luka Doncic

Dallas Receives: Keldon Johnson, Devin Vassell, 2024 SAS Unprotected FRP, 2025 FRP From CHI, 2025 FRP from ATL, 2027 FRP from ATL

NBA Trade Machine says this decreases Spurs expected wins by 27. Jokes on you, motherfuckers.

[exstatic]

Rox getting wrecked straight out of the gate.

Dallas needs to lose wwaaaaayyy more than the Spurs do. Everyone swore the Spurs would outtank the Blazers and they didn't.

Portland basically laid down, and put their heels up in the air today. They lost by 56 points.

[Mr. Body]

Ya - I mean Im not down on Wesley - he had some spurts that really stood out, but he was more in line with expectations of being raw. Branham just leaped so damn much as year went on that it’s wild.

He looks like a legit player already - this off season is so huge for Spurs on every level (continued work for Vassell/Keldon/Sochan/Branham/Wesley, draft, etc..)

I've watched a good number of Spurs games in opposing broadcasts and they always comment on Branham.

[Ariel]

San Antonio Receives: Luka Doncic

Dallas Receives: Keldon Johnson, Devin Vassell, 2024 SAS Unprotected FRP, 2025 FRP From CHI, 2025 FRP from ATL, 2027 FRP from ATL
Call me crazy, but I wouldn't do it. It forces the Spurs to go into win now mode, will likely burn our assets and push the rookies timeline, and probably won't be enough to retain Luka in a couple of years when his contract expires. Those blockbusters need a very tight alignment of circumstances and we're not ready yet.

[JPB]

If Dallas gets Victor, I stop watching the NBA tbh.

[Arcadian]

We did it, boys! Last place in the west. :toast

:lol Rockets ending on a 3 game win streak

:lol Gobert trying to punch Kyle Anderson

[TD 21]

Spurs are better than lots of teams, just missing their star.

If you swapped Luka onto this years Spurs, they are so much better than Dallas it’s laughable. Just need their guy.

:lmao At the homer ism, delusion and exceptionalism all in one.

[SpurPadre]

Hey guys, when will the tie-breaker be determined with the Rockets?

[DPG21920]

:lmao At the homer ism, delusion and exceptionalism all in one.

It’s not homerism. Spurs with Luka > Dallas with Luka.

[Ariel]

Hey guys, when will the tie-breaker be determined with the Rockets?
usually some time after regular season ends, say a week or so. Haven't read specifics this year though. Still, tie-breaker only tells us which will get the upper hand if both fall outside top 4, but whoever wins the tiebreaker could end up with a worse pick than the other once the lottery is done.

[Stump]

Call me crazy, but I wouldn't do it. It forces the Spurs to go into win now mode, will likely burn our assets and push the rookies timeline, and probably won't be enough to retain Luka in a couple of years when his contract expires. Those blockbusters need a very tight alignment of circumstances and we're not ready yet.
I think you would like the idea more if the pieces were shifted a bit. If I was negotiating a deal with Dallas, I think I would try to include bad contracts based on the idea that it doesn't hurt them if they tank next year but it hurts us if we're trying to add free agents. If I could get away with it, I would also emphasize adding second round picks in lieu of another first round pick on the rationalization that we have a glut (we have our own + 11 extra second round picks) while Dallas has a shortage (1 total second round pick in the next 7 drafts).

San Antonio receives: Luka Doncic

Dallas receives: Keldon Johnson, Khem Birch, Devonte Graham, 3 first round picks including this year's (assuming not top 2), 4 second round picks

[slick'81]

Took to the last game of the season but san antonio secured their destiny!

[Mr. Body]

Took to the last game of the season but san antonio secured their destiny!

#5 pick here we come!

[exstatic]

Well, this season fucking blew

idiots could not even tank properly

No one has higher odds at Wemby than us. Mission accomplished.

[slick'81]

#5 pick here we come!

better then 6th :lobt:

[Mr. Body]

better then 6th :lobt:

Can't wait to see that mural of... Jarace Walker in downtown SA.

[scott]

I think you would like the idea more if the pieces were shifted a bit. If I was negotiating a deal with Dallas, I think I would try to include bad contracts based on the idea that it doesn't hurt them if they tank next year but it hurts us if we're trying to add free agents. If I could get away with it, I would also emphasize adding second round picks in lieu of another first round pick on the rationalization that we have a glut (we have our own + 11 extra second round picks) while Dallas has a shortage (1 total second round pick in the next 7 drafts).

San Antonio receives: Luka Doncic

Dallas receives: Keldon Johnson, Khem Birch, Devonte Graham, 3 first round picks including this year's (assuming not top 2), 4 second round picks

I think Dallas probably needs at least one more FRP here, even if the 3 you add are unprotected, maybe the CHI pick is the extra needed.

In this hypothetical dream scenario that won’t happen anyway, I’d like to keep this year’s pick and give them next years, even if it is a pick that eventually becomes Cam Whitmore or Anthony Black. Would certainly be nice to keep Devin, but I think Dallas is going to want him in this fantasy land deal of mine.

In any event, there is about a 0% chance that is even an opportunity to have this conversation with Dallas, just fun to play with.

[TD 21]

It’s not homerism. Spurs with Luka > Dallas with Luka.

You claimed "the Spurs are better than a lot of teams", after they just recorded a historically awful defense (by rating, it's the worst ever but the best way to truly determine that is relative to league average during that season) and point differential.

They're also the only team without a current or projected future offensive centerpiece.

[scott]

Call me crazy, but I wouldn't do it. It forces the Spurs to go into win now mode, will likely burn our assets and push the rookies timeline, and probably won't be enough to retain Luka in a couple of years when his contract expires. Those blockbusters need a very tight alignment of circumstances and we're not ready yet.

I hear ya, but in this scenario, we still have whoever we draft this year, TOR’s FRP next year (Assuming it conveys), the CHA pick which may or may not convey, and our pick picks from 2025 on.

Starting line up, depending on how the lotto goes:

Luka
Bran
Cam Whitmore
Sochan
Zack

Hmmm… maybe you’re right this isn’t that great lol.

[Stump]

I think Dallas probably needs at least one more FRP here, even if the 3 you add are unprotected, maybe the CHI pick is the extra needed.

In this hypothetical dream scenario that won’t happen anyway, I’d like to keep this year’s pick and give them next years, even if it is a pick that eventually becomes Cam Whitmore or Anthony Black. Would certainly be nice to keep Devin, but I think Dallas is going to want him in this fantasy land deal of mine.

In any event, there is about a 0% chance that is even an opportunity to have this conversation with Dallas, just fun to play with.
It's certainly a fantasy of Luka coming here, but the Mavs are more likely than not to trade him in the next 15 months.

Regarding my hypothetical deal, I was working on the assumption that this year's pick would be valuable enough to avoid adding a fourth pick or other young guys, but if you have to add another asset, then so be it. The trade's framework is built around the strategy of pushing the payroll way down so you can add 2-3 solid free agents that fit in a 'win now' roster. Resign Tre Jones last so you can take advantage of his low cap hold to go above the salary cap. Give Devin his extension that kicks in for the 24-25 season, which benefits by not impeding free agent signing for this summer.

[Atl Spur]

We draft well……..

[K...]

We draft well……..

doesn't mean anything when you draft the top 5. develop well? yeah that's what will keep us from being OKC or Houston.

[DPG21920]

You claimed "the Spurs are better than a lot of teams", after they just recorded a historically awful defense (by rating, it's the worst ever but the best way to truly determine that is relative to league average during that season) and point differential.

They're also the only team without a current or projected future offensive centerpiece.

For clarification: what I meant was Sa is better than a lot of teams if they had their offensive engine (they don’t). Like in my example, Sa would be better than Dallas with Luka if you put Luka on this team.

But obviously Sa needs to land that guy.

[Arcadian]

Hey guys, when will the tie-breaker be determined with the Rockets?

Rockets have the better divisional record, so they own the tiebreaker. (They tied head-to-head.)

Or is it completely different for draft lottery purposes?

[SpurPadre]

Rockets have the better divisional record, so they own the tiebreaker. (They tied head-to-head.)

Or is it completely different for draft lottery purposes?

According to Tankathon, the tiebreaker will be determined at the end of the season (no date given) via random drawing.

[duncan2150]

According to Tankathon, the tiebreaker will be determined at the end of the season (no date given) via random drawing.

Last year the tiebreakers were made a week after the end of the regular season.

[Ariel]

I hear ya, but in this scenario, we still have whoever we draft this year, TOR’s FRP next year (Assuming it conveys), the CHA pick which may or may not convey, and our pick picks from 2025 on.

Starting line up, depending on how the lotto goes:

Luka
Bran
Cam Whitmore
Sochan
Zack

Hmmm… maybe you’re right this isn’t that great lol.
In terms of value it isn't unfair at all, but if we're going all in you can't let go of the only ready now viable backcourt partner to Luka. Also, Malaki and Luka might be the single worst defensive backcourt in NBA history, they'd have to score at least 30 a piece each game just to break even. Again, I think it's not an unfair trade, but it would take enough that it would cease to make sense for us IMO.

I think you would like the idea more if the pieces were shifted a bit. If I was negotiating a deal with Dallas, I think I would try to include bad contracts based on the idea that it doesn't hurt them if they tank next year but it hurts us if we're trying to add free agents. If I could get away with it, I would also emphasize adding second round picks in lieu of another first round pick on the rationalization that we have a glut (we have our own + 11 extra second round picks) while Dallas has a shortage (1 total second round pick in the next 7 drafts).

San Antonio receives: Luka Doncic

Dallas receives: Keldon Johnson, Khem Birch, Devonte Graham, 3 first round picks including this year's (assuming not top 2), 4 second round picks
This one you have to take, because you keep Vassell who's your immediate second option. I'd be willing to include #2 pick as well, because if you trade for Luka a known quantity like Vassell would be preferable to an unknown like Brandon Miller or a bad fit like Scoot. That should lower the price. And the 2nd rounders is a nice touch, they're starving and we're overflowing with them. I don't think Dallas bites, though. Probably you need one more pick like in scott's scenario (at least), and someone is surely going to offer more than reasonable for Luka. Nice tries from the both of you, though.

[Arcadian]

According to Tankathon, the tiebreaker will be determined at the end of the season (no date given) via random drawing.

That's weird. Why don't they just use the same tiebreak criteria they use for the standings?