2023 NBA Draft Lottery: W-day

[Ariel]

The Lottery will be held May 16, 2023 at 8:00 PM ET
To be broadcasted by ESPN

https://www.nba.com/news/nba-draft-lottery-explainer

Countdown: 48 hours to W-day!

https://i.ibb.co/TPXLy48/wemby.jpg

[heyheymymy]

praying dog.jpg

[Degoat]

Any ritual, superstition, tradition y’all may have do it on Tuesday!

[baseline bum]

Just went to tankathon and got the sixth pick. So that would get us Amen Thompson's sister right?

[MultiTroll]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2013/06/timduncandraft.jpg?resize=621,1024

If someone can block out Stern please do.

[dbestpro]

The Spurs will only get the first pick when liberal and conservative Spur fans do a group hug.

[Ninja Roach]

Just went to tankathon and got the sixth pick. So that would get us Amen Thompson's sister right?

:madrun


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbCJK1-yhnk

This should be a positive vibes safe space thread.....until it's not, then unleash hell.

[slick'81]

This is going to be fun

[Russ]

This is going to be fun

Or not.

[scott]

Looking forward to the celebration/meltdown/I told you so/you're an idiot posts

Does San Antonio go honking if we land #1?

[barakz21]

Any ritual, superstition, tradition y’all may have do it on Tuesday!

never had any superstition, but being that I recently got a classic edition jersey custom (Duncan, 21), I’m gonna wear that on Tuesday and hopefully we get #1!

[Russ]

Does San Antonio go honking if we land #1?

Nah. Just party like it's 1999!

[Das Texan]

Nah. Just party like it's 1999!

so yes?

[bluebellmaniac]

So it is wear your Duncan or Robinson jersey Tuesday. It is decided. Fail to do so at your own risk.

[Ariel]

https://i.ibb.co/m0YywRF/a2.png

[TrainOfThought5]

This is the way!

[offset formation]

GOAT or goat status incoming. Takes a big set to start *this* thread. Good luck man, but also, prepare thy anus if we're 7th....

[Uriel]

Just went to tankathon and got the sixth pick. So that would get us Amen Thompson's sister right?
That is the modal outcome. And this is a one-shot game.

[Uriel]

Another number to keep in mind is that the expected value of the Spurs' draft pick is 4.1.

[exstatic]

Another number to keep in mind is that the expected value of the Spurs' draft pick is 4.1.

Tankathon has stopped referring to it that way. It’s the mean, or average over a large sample. It’s also the second lowest odds of being our actual pick. Only 7th has lower odds. You really shouldn’t “expect” pick #4.

[Ariel]

Tankathon has stopped referring to it that way. It’s the mean, or average over a large sample. It’s also the second lowest odds of being our actual pick. Only 7th has lower odds. You really shouldn’t “expect” pick #4.
Yup. Expected value might mean something if you wanted to trade the pick before the lottery, so as to condense all possibilities into an actual number (and even then I'd argue against it, since nominal order doesn't actually capture the value of each pick, which can vary greatly from class to class, so you should use a custom value per pick each draft instead).
Still, if you take a reductionist approach and want to come up with more intuitive descriptions, it'd be something like "he have 1 chance in about 7 of landing Wemby" and "we have about even odds of picking 4 or higher, and 5 or lower".
All in all, I think the more useful approach is to simply... get on our knees and start praying. I don't have God's number, but if we spam him badly enough he might get our message :lol
https://i.ibb.co/HtW3sqQ/a1.jpg

[Dejounte]

Expect the worst, hope for the best. I know my heart is going to stop multiple times tomorrow night. Drinks on timvp if we win the #1 pick!

[JuneJive]

Come on. Just this one time.

If this fails then Boozer.

[tapiefan]

Just went to tankathon and got the sixth pick. So that would get us Amen Thompson's sister right?

Pick 7 for me.

[Dejounte]

Here are my rolls this morning:

6th, 7th, 3rd, 4th

bruh

[exstatic]

I usually roll it once a day, and out of my last 7-8, five #1s.

[Ariel]

Shhh.... we're saving our luck for tomorrow... ;)

[Ariel]

I usually roll it once a day, and out of my last 7-8, five #1s.
:madrun Great, now you set us back... hope you didn't run our luck out entirely :lol

[barakz21]

Here are my rolls this morning:

6th, 7th, 3rd, 4th

bruh

6,5,5 for me. Oof.

[MultiTroll]

You Negative Nancys take your downerness to another thread.

This one is all in on Wemby!

[Seventyniner]

One roll today, got #1. Not gonna do any more.

[EricB]

Just went to tankathon and got the sixth pick. So that would get us Amen Thompson's sister right?

cousin

[Dejounte]

One roll today, got #1. Not gonna do any more.

Do one more to seal the deal.

[Dex]

I'm scared to watch. We are gonna get stuck with the fucking 5th pick

[jjspur]

Lots of people have gut feelings. Mine tells me 2nd or 4th. Anything else lower would be indigestion.

[Degoat]

As long as we don’t drop to 5 or lower. Give me 1-4

[dbestpro]

They should draft a guy named Primo regardless of the position.

[Brazil]

This is the way!

This is the way !

[J_Paco]

Come on. Just this one time.

If this fails then Boozer.

Isn't he just a junior in HS? I don't think the team should intentionally suck for three years waiting on him, although he apparently is gonna be a stud.

The Spurs have a lot of needs, so I won't go crazy if we don't get Wemby. I definitely want him since he has the highest ceiling & he's likely the prospect that can lead the team out of the gutter.

With all that said, I'm still gonna watch and hope for the #1 pick.

[tonight...you]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/IzemcZRcwzXJ6/giphy.gif

[CGD]

Just hoping this doesn't happen again: https://twitter.com/ScottAgness/status/1527405421924851713

[exstatic]

Isn't he just a junior in HS? I don't think the team should intentionally suck for three years waiting on him, although he apparently is gonna be a stud.

The Spurs have a lot of needs, so I won't go crazy if we don't get Wemby. I definitely want him since he has the highest ceiling & he's likely the prospect that can lead the team out of the gutter.

With all that said, I'm still gonna watch and hope for the #1 pick.

Cam B is the next man up. I don't propose sucking the whole time, but another tank could be in order, but we do have that ATL swap, so...

Yes, he's 15, and absolutely CRUSHING the same competition that the 20 YO Thompson Twins are sleep walking through.

[heyheymymy]

Just hoping this doesn't happen again: https://twitter.com/ScottAgness/status/1527405421924851713

that was foreshadowing

help on the way

[J_Paco]

Cam B is the next man up. I don't propose sucking the whole time, but another tank could be in order, but we do have that ATL swap, so...

Yes, he's 15, and absolutely CRUSHING the same competition that the 20 YO Thompson Twins are sleep walking through.

Damn, the kid is only 15! I agree he's the next possible high-end prospect, but fucking waiting four years for his ass. LOL

I was hoping they would ratify the CBA and remove the one-year of college/must be 19-years old requirements. These kids are raw and unpolished with or without a year in college/out of HS, gotta go back to preps-to-pros (never should've changed) and teams investing even more in development programs/the G-League.

[timvp]

https://i.imgur.com/uyklmAn.jpg

[exstatic]

Damn, the kid is only 15! I agree he's the next possible high-end prospect, but fucking waiting four years for his ass. LOL

I was hoping they would ratify the CBA and remove the one-year of college/must be 19-years old requirements. These kids are raw and unpolished with or without a year in college/out of HS, gotta go back to preps-to-pros (never should've changed) and teams investing even more in development programs/the G-League.

Neither side seems to be interested in that. The owners want more data before the draft, and the players don't seem to be interested in losing their jobs to a 17 YO. When the first discussions were held on rolling it back, the double draft was supposed to be in 2021. It's 2023, a new CBA was just signed, and there is no sign of it even on the horizon.

[spurraider21]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2013/06/timduncandraft.jpg?resize=621,1024

If someone can block out Stern please do.
block out the commissioner under whom we won the lottery twice? if anything i'd want him back from the dead to run this year's lottery too

[spurraider21]

ran one simulation and top 5 was:

Orlando
Detroit
San Antonio
Houston
Charlotte

we miss out on wemby and scoot, and charlotte gets minimal help to get that FRP to convey

[spurraider21]

https://i.imgur.com/uyklmAn.jpg
Believe

1.

[timvp]

Believe

1.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3o7TPSPNFuTLAq6kz6/giphy.gif

[heyheymymy]

Lol timvp did you put praying dog.jpg through AI upscaling lol

[Ariel]

I had missed the detail in the picture :lol nice

[heyheymymy]

Lol just noticed the wemby picture frame in the background this pic has def been updated lol

[Jordan Jackson]

Don’t kid yourself, Wemby somewhere praying the Spurs land that 1st pick too.

However it shakes out - at least the Spurs gave themselves a chance.

[jsandiego]

3 pages in and no one's posted the Spurs-themed religious candles??

[DPG21920]

Bro im going to die if Dallas and HOU are top 2

[exstatic]

Bro im going to die if Dallas and HOU are top 2

Dallas has less chance than we did last year. I would die laughing if one of the teams behind them jumped into the top 4, and bumped them back a spot, costing them their pick after some pretty blatant tanking in the last few games.

[JPB]

Wemby or bust tbh.

[Gibbz]

Dallas, Charlotte, Washington, San Antonio on my tankathon roll. :fight

[scott]

Tankathon has stopped referring to it that way. It’s the mean, or average over a large sample. It’s also the second lowest odds of being our actual pick. Only 7th has lower odds. You really shouldn’t “expect” pick #4.

It's weird to stop referring to it as expected value because it's the mean over a large sample... because that's always been the definition of expected value :lol

[scott]

10 spins on Tankathon

2
6
3
1
5
5
3
6
6
4

Plenty of luck left in the tank for tomorrow.

[CGD]

that was foreshadowing

help on the way

I like it

[MannyIsGod]

As you watch, keep in mind that as each pick is revealed the scenarios possible decrease. I wonder if its possible to draw up a cheat sheet detailing what the odds are given the number of non chalk picks and the number of picks remaining. Should be an easy chart to make right?

[exstatic]

It's weird to stop referring to it as expected value because it's the mean over a large sample... because that's always been the definition of expected value :lol

Right, but people who don’t understand stats think that we’re “expected” to get pick #4, when in fact, pick #4 is our second lowest odds. Stats casuals.

[scott]

Right, but people who don’t understand stats think that we’re “expected” to get pick #4, when in fact, pick #4 is our second lowest odds. Stats casuals.

Yeah for sure. The biggest shortcoming of statistics is the reliance on the average human to understand them.

[scott]

As you watch, keep in mind that as each pick is revealed the scenarios possible decrease. I wonder if its possible to draw up a cheat sheet detailing what the odds are given the number of non chalk picks and the number of picks remaining. Should be an easy chart to make right?

Yes, although it's somewhat misleading since the result are displayed in the reverse order of which they actually previously occurred... so it's a false dynamic odds set.

I think the Lottery would be WAY more interesting if they drew in reverse and did it live. So they'd start with #14 and the Spurs, Rockets and Pistons would have the least number of balls in the hopper, then we'd move to #13, #12, etc. Then the dynamic odds charts would be meaningful and fun (at least for us nerds).

[scott]

I'm also on the record of thinking that this weird serpentine curve outcome set for the worst teams is fucking stupid. Just wanted to make that clear.

[Ariel]

As you watch, keep in mind that as each pick is revealed the scenarios possible decrease. I wonder if its possible to draw up a cheat sheet detailing what the odds are given the number of non chalk picks and the number of picks remaining. Should be an easy chart to make right?
I actually made a program in Matlab to calculate just that, the conditional probability given that a certain combinations have been revealed, from 14 downwards (think same Tankathon table but with better precision and dynamic). I'd have made a web interface and posted the updated chart if there was more time between each pick is revealed, but the interval between picks revealed is so short that it defeats the purpose, it would make it a challenge to manually enter the partial results and update the odds. I suppose I could do a cheat sheet, but there are 14*13*12*11 = 24024 possible lottery outcomes (non top 4 are deterministic), and that's disregarding partial reveals, so it's not very practical and most people would not understand it. But I'll post the program in matlab plus maybe a spreadsheet or something like that if I can.

[Ariel]

Yes, although it's somewhat misleading since the result are displayed in the reverse order of which they actually previously occurred... so it's a false dynamic odds set.
It isn't the natural order, but it doesn't mean that odds don't change as more information is revealed (updated odds conditioned on revealed info). It's actually perfectly possible to do what Manny suggests, and I actually did it with but its interface isn't user friendly as it's just code to be called with the revealed picks as parameters (array). If anyone knows Matlab / Octave I can share it... but it isn't mainstream.

[drpill]

First three tries: 6, 6, 6. Clearly Satan is going to make Wemby happen for us.

[scott]

I actually made a program in Matlab to calculate just that, the conditional probability given that a certain combinations have been revealed, from 14 downwards. I'd have made an interface and posted the updated chart if there was more time between each pick is revealed, but it's usually so short that it defeats the purpose. I suppose I could do a cheat sheet, but there are 14*13*12*11 = 24024 possible lottery outcomes (non top 4 are deterministic), and that's disregarding partial reveals, so it's not very practical and most people would not understand it. But I'll post the program in matlab plus maybe a spreadsheet or something like that if I can.

Just to limit the number of iterations, maybe you could post the updated odds table assuming that the first 5 picks (10-14) stay where they are, since those 5 each have less than a 1:5 shot of moving into the Top 4 That would show a good illustration of how the odds dynamics shift, even though it is reverse of the way it actually happens.

[scott]

First three tries: 6, 6, 6. Clearly Satan is going to make Wemby happen for us.

Hail Satan!

[scott]

It isn't the natural order, but it doesn't mean that odds don't change as more information is revealed (updated odds conditioned on revealed info). It's actually perfectly possible to do what Manny suggests, and I actually did it with but its interface isn't user friendly as it's just code to be called with the revealed picks as parameters (array). If anyone knows Matlab / Octave I can share it... but it isn't mainstream.

It's fun and all, but to me it still looses it's shine to me because it's a predictive model based on the advance probability of something that has already been determined. I get the fun math experiment, but I'd rather they do it live. Now that's real fun.

[Dejounte]

Luckily I have stronger odds to be pleased with the results of this draft since I have two players I highly favor over the others… 1st, 2nd, maaaaaybe 3rd pick if my guy gets passed up by the team with the 2nd pick.

[offset formation]

Luckily I have stronger odds to be pleased with the results of this draft since I have two players I highly favor over the others… 1st, 2nd, maaaaaybe 3rd pick if my guy gets passed up by the team with the 2nd pick.

4 for me that I wouldn't HAAAATE....

1. Wembanyama, of course
2. Bilal.
3. Cam
4. Miller

Beyond that, I'd feel like the tank, though absolutamente necessary, didn't work.

[skin27]

Most online sites porjected us at number 3 with brandon miller.lol

[Dejounte]

4 for me that I wouldn't HAAAATE....

1. Wembanyama, of course
2. Bilal.
3. Cam
4. Miller

Beyond that, I'd feel like the tank, though absolutamente necessary, didn't work.
Bruh with how much you love Bilal, the bar is pretty low for what the Spurs need to get. The dude could fall to our 2nd rd pick. Now I understand why you’ve been hyping him up LOL. That’s a brilliant idea… you’re basically mentally prepared for any outcome in this draft. Fuck. I should have done the same and hyped up Gradey Dick or some shit.

[ginobilized]

My Talkathon Numbers:
6th, 3rd, 5th, 1st, 1st

I think we got this!

[mo7888]

Cam B is the next man up. I don't propose sucking the whole time, but another tank could be in order, but we do have that ATL swap, so...

Yes, he's 15, and absolutely CRUSHING the same competition that the 20 YO Thompson Twins are sleep walking through.

It's one of the reasons I don't mind exploring trading back if we land at 3 or 4.... if a team is sold enough on someone (Miller or Amen) and offers an unprotected 25 with a lottery pick in this draft (Phoenix, ORL maybe?) I'd have to seriously consider that..

[offset formation]

Bruh with how much you love Bilal, the bar is pretty low for what the Spurs need to get. The dude could fall to our 2nd rd pick. Now I understand why you’ve been hyping him up LOL. That’s a brilliant idea… you’re basically mentally prepared for any outcome in this draft. Fuck. I should have done the same and hyped up Gradey Dick or some shit.

Tell me a better man defender. PATFO loves them some nephew style players and thought they found one with Primo a couple years ago. This dude is the closest thing to neph since neph. 2 5 SPG per 36. 6'8", with a 7'3" reach. 3 level scorer. High 30s 3 pt shooter over his last 25 games. Thats neph's game WITH some crazy good hops. Etc. etc. You're missing the boat man. Hop on before draft day and all is forgiven.

[ace3g]

https://www.supergraphictees.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/volkswagen-gray.jpg

[exstatic]

It's one of the reasons I don't mind exploring trading back if we land at 3 or 4.... if a team is sold enough on someone (Miller or Amen) and offers an unprotected 25 with a lottery pick in this draft (Phoenix, ORL maybe?) I'd have to seriously consider that..

I think he reclassified to graduate HS early, but he still has to wait, since the new CBA didn’t address the direct from HS draft route. I believe his draft class is 2026, and we have an unprotected swap option from ATL.

[exstatic]

https://www.supergraphictees.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/volkswagen-gray.jpg

:tu

[Joseph Kony]

just simmed the lottery 10 times. SA won the #1 pick 3 of them and picked no worse than 3 in all others besides one.

Wembanyama confirmed

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah I was thinking it would be as simple as knowing how many non chalk picks there were - but the odds are not equal so its variable depending on WHO is moved up. Much more complicated to calculate the correct odds

[Uriel]

Tankathon has stopped referring to it that way. It’s the mean, or average over a large sample. It’s also the second lowest odds of being our actual pick. Only 7th has lower odds. You really shouldn’t “expect” pick #4.
Yes, that is the definition of expected value, which you can find in any textbook on basic probability and statistics.

[Kevin]

The 6th pick is the biggest hurdle they have to clear. 26% chance they pick 6th which would represent a disaster. I am not a statistician but once they clear the 6th pick the odds of landing a top two pick would have to go way up.

[tbdog]

When is outrage day?

[Ariel]

Yeah I was thinking it would be as simple as knowing how many non chalk picks there were - but the odds are not equal so its variable depending on WHO is moved up. Much more complicated to calculate the correct odds
Yup. Say the first revealed place comes the team with record #14, then it doesn't say much. But if the first reveal is the team with the record #13, it tells a hell of a lot, because that means the #14 team jumped into top 4, and that diminishes everybody else's chances at a top 4 pick.
If you take this to the extreme, say the first reveal is the team with record #10. Then it means that teams #11, #12, #13 and #14 jumped into top 4, which in turn means teams #1 through #9 have ZERO chance at a top 4 pick, and all of that by revealing just the last lottery spot. So the table is HUGELY dependent on the order of the teams revealed, with each path requiring its own calculation, making matters more complicated (hence a computer program to do the heavy lifting for us). It's not difficult in terms of logic, but it definitely is overwhelming for a human to do it by hand.

[scott]

Ariel I'd be curious at the updated odds chart assuming picks 10-14 go as expected.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DailyNBAFantasy/status/1658248550462132225

[Ariel]

Ariel (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3526) I'd be curious at the updated odds chart assuming picks 10-14 go as expected.
Will do when I get to my laptop, but that case isn't very interesting, it's equivalent of drawing top 4 from a pool of 9 teams with their predetermined odds, so the order doesn't change and the odds at 1 are proportional to the balls in play, simply divide by (1 - sum teams #10 to #14)

[scott]

https://twitter.com/DailyNBAFantasy/status/1658248550462132225

This set isn't generally very valuable, but if Victor pans out this will be a holy grail card. Since it's a non-patch, non-pro team card... I'd guess $500-750k after grading and authentication.

As far as I know, the only non-patch auto to get go for over $1MM was a reprint of Jordan's 86 Fleer "rookie" that was on-card signed and hand number 21/23.

[exstatic]

Yes, that is the definition of expected value, which you can find in any textbook on basic probability and statistics.

Did you read the rest of the conversation?

[scott]

Will do when I get to my laptop, but that case isn't very interesting, it's equivalent of drawing top 4 from a pool of 9 teams with their predetermined odds, so the order doesn't change and the odds at 1 are proportional to the balls in play, simply divide by (1 - sum teams #10 to #14)

I'm mostly interested to show the impact of each increment as a simple illustration, but I agree it isn't very interesting.

With that said, by the time you get to the last 3 (and let's say the Spurs are in the last 3), the odds don't significantly deviate from a 33% chance at a top pick regardless of who is left.

In the case where SA, HOU and DET are left, then each team would truly have a 33% perceived chance at #1. In the case where SA, TOR and NO are the last 3 left, the Spurs odds increase a little bit for #1 (I won't take the time to calculate it out), but not significantly (guess off the top of my head would be somewhere between 34-36%?). If you wouldn't mind running these two scenarios, that could be illustrative for everyone. You could run every possible combination of 2 teams left with the Spurs, and the Spurs odds wouldn't deviate dramatically from 33% @ #1 in any of them.

[J_Paco]

Neither side seems to be interested in that. The owners want more data before the draft, and the players don't seem to be interested in losing their jobs to a 17 YO. When the first discussions were held on rolling it back, the double draft was supposed to be in 2021. It's 2023, a new CBA was just signed, and there is no sign of it even on the horizon.

Yeah, I know. The current system just sucks for college basketball (for those that enjoy it, I don't) and doesn't change anything with how raw the prospects are.

The should really institute a 2-year college minimum and 20 years old age limit, but that will never happen either. Instead, we have this "half-way" situation that frankly sucks.

[scott]

Went ahead and built myself a quick little model in excel... if you want to get depressed ahead of tomorrow night, here is one scenario for you: in the example where SA, POR, WAS, ORL and CHA are left... the Spurs actually have the worst odds of those 5 at getting the #1 pick.

If you were drawing from 5, then 4, then 3, then 2, then 1 this would be the probability of each outcome.




1
2
3
4
5


SA
20.9%
20.0%
19.0%
17.9%
22.1%


POR
23.7%
23.7%
23.9%
23.7%
5.0%


WAS
22.9%
24.0%
25.6%
27.5%
0.0%


ORL
24.2%
24.7%
25.3%
25.8%
0.0%


CHA
22.6%
22.1%
21.5%
20.8%
13.0%



This is the same reason I don't like calculating odds in reverse of the natural order, however, because in reality the drawing for #1 occurs first and the Spurs would have the highest odds of these 5 teams at the #1 pick.

The below odds table are the odds of each team picking at each position if you reset all the balls after each turn.




1
2
3
4
5


SA
26.9%
26.0%
24.8%
23.6%
61.2%


POR
20.2%
20.3%
20.7%
20.7%
9.1%


WAS
11.5%
12.2%
13.1%
14.2%
0.0%


ORL
17.3%
17.8%
18.3%
18.9%
0.0%


CHA
24.0%
23.6%
23.2%
22.6%
29.8%



This first table shows the Spurs having the lowest odds at @ #1, because they have the highest odds of being eliminated in each round prior to #1. But the actual draft doesn't happen in this order and no such elimination occurs.

We end up with a fun game of Schrodinger's Wembycat, in which the Spurs simultaneously have the best and the worst odds at landing him. :lol

[scott]

Not gonna edit because I'll own my errors, but I realized I screwed up the top table (the odds of each individual pick do not sum to 100%). This would be a fun scenario to run, Ariel.

[Ariel]

Not gonna edit because I'll own my errors, but I realized I screwed up the top table (the odds of each individual pick do not sum to 100%). This would be a fun scenario to run, Ariel (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3526).
Promise I'll do that when I get home to my computer, give me a couple hours.

[scott]

Promise I'll do that when I get home to my computer, give me a couple hours.

Sorry not trying to rush you :lol

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwOAmfwWYAA6Wwl?format=jpg&name=large

[SPURt]

I read on ESPN that the reps for the teams will know the draft order before the draft lottery show starts. I’m gonna be reading into body language way too much tomorrow.

[pookenstein]

In which order will the picks be revealed? First pick first will they go backwards?

[timvp]

I read on ESPN that the reps for the teams will know the draft order before the draft lottery show starts. I’m gonna be reading into body language way too much tomorrow.The reps who will know will be behind the scenes and they can't contact anyone until the television segment is over.


In which order will the picks be revealed? First pick first will they go backwards?14 to 1.

[Dejounte]

Having a really bad feeling about today

[playblair]

Having a really bad feeling about today
why.......wemby is injury prone......even if spurs get 1 pick he will miss more time than kawhi....he is greg oden.......picks 2-6 have a better chance at a durant like outcome.....

[Silverheart80]

Breaking out the Ginobili jersey tonight. Only times I've worn it were at Game 7 of the '05 Finals, both home games of the '07 Finals, and the AC game of the '14 Finals. Plus Ginobili's HoF Day last year.

Never been washed. Never been dry cleaned. And that's saying something considering it was worn to the AC game.

Whatever happens -- grateful the Spurs made the commitment to at least be in this position right now, while still developing young guys the right way. Lighting aaaaaaaaall the candles.

[Dex]

Lol timvp did you put praying dog.jpg through AI upscaling lol

He asked AI to produce one and that's what it spit out :lol

[Dex]

Breaking out the Ginobili jersey tonight. Only times I've worn it were at Game 7 of the '05 Finals, both home games of the '07 Finals, and the AC game of the '14 Finals. Plus Ginobili's HoF Day last year.

Never been washed. Never been dry cleaned. And that's saying something considering it was worn to the AC game.

Whatever happens -- grateful the Spurs made the commitment to at least be in this position right now, while still developing young guys the right way. Lighting aaaaaaaaall the candles.

I imagine that has quite the...perfume

[JPB]

I litterally dreamed spurs were getting #7.

[DPG21920]

So nervous. So much riding on this.

[Dejounte]

Future self just told me we’re getting number 4

[heyheymymy]

We did everything we could control

We have the best possible odds at #1 we could get

Even the non Wemby players could be pretty good too

Spurs have tons of assets and a brave new approach

Lots of ways for today to be a huge success even without the #1 overall

[Silverheart80]

I imagine that has quite the...perfume

:lol You'd think it would reek to high heaven, but I guess wear anything that seldom and then let it hang for years, and somehow it's all good. :) Who knows. Couldn't bear to wash out the undefeated karma. Going with it tonight. Whatever it takes. :flag:

[Ariel]

Sorry not trying to rush you :lol
This is a reveal sequence, assuming every team draws the same place they were allotted pre-lottery (14, 13, 12, 11, ...). There you can see how the probability table evolves. There's not many bells and whistles format wise because it's automatically generated and I don't have the time right now to embellish it too much, but it's the same format as the tankathon table, it should be fairly easy to understand it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Kuiqi67ZR3PHHKwNoO1U8vfHRRXk6Xcr/edit#gid=349121955
If you have a specific sequence that you'd like to follow, post it here and I'll upload it within 10 minutes. It can be partial or complete (all teams), but please do so by specifying numbers.
Say the first reveal is team #14, then #12 (meaning 13 jumped into top 4), then #11, simply ask for sequence 14, 12, 11.

[Ariel]

I litterally dreamed spurs were getting #7.


Having a really bad feeling about today


Future self just told me we’re getting number 4
O ye of little faith...

[Ariel]

Remain positive people... let's not lose faith!

[SPURt]

The reps who will know will be behind the scenes and they can't contact anyone until the television segment is over.

Ah, so the people on stage won’t know. Who is repping the Spurs tonight? I’m hoping for Bobo!

[Ariel]

Went ahead and built myself a quick little model in excel... if you want to get depressed ahead of tomorrow night, here is one scenario for you: in the example where SA, POR, WAS, ORL and CHA are left... the Spurs actually have the worst odds of those 5 at getting the #1 pick.
That's not a valid combination for the last 5, because it would mean 1 (Detroit) and 2 (Houston) are out of the top 4, and they'd get 5 over any of those teams. That's something you have to be aware of when proposing a given combination because, in spite of the reveal order, only top 4 is allotted by the lottery, the rest is assigned in reverse order to their record, which means not every possible shuffle of 14 teams is valid. I suggest you simply pick a given top 4 order, then the rest I can put together so that it's consistent.

This is close to your scenario, I took the first four you listed (SA, POR, WAS and ORL) and left out Charlotte for consistency, and filled the rest in reverse form. It's corresponding sequence is: 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 7, 4, 2, 1, 6, 8, 5, 3
There you can see how the table (conditioned on known events) evolves:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J7eMTShv0LypFl-h0ovFS-vS7S_F5J7N/edit#gid=857857078

[DPG21920]

If Spurs don’t land top 2, would be great if they got pick 3 and the team in front of them really had a reason to trade back or not take Scoot. I truly don’t see a scenario where any team, regardless of who they currently have, passes on Scoot there. Best case would be SA gets to trade up to pick 2 and even then I don’t see a team with 2 ultimately doing that.

[slick'81]

Not nervous. Never really thought we get wemby so im not setting myself up for disappointment. I just remember watching the '97 lottery with my father and getting timmy. Hopefully we find a great player somewhere in this draft

[mo7888]

If Spurs don’t land top 2, would be great if they got pick 3 and the team in front of them really had a reason to trade back or not take Scoot. I truly don’t see a scenario where any team, regardless of who they currently have, passes on Scoot there. Best case would be SA gets to trade up to pick 2 and even then I don’t see a team with 2 ultimately doing that.

I don't think Dallas or Portland take Scoot. Detroit or Charlotte, probably does but I bet they'd consider trading back for another asset.

[spursparker9]

The Spurs will send who to take the seat for tv broadcast?

[Degoat]

The Spurs will send who to take the seat for tv broadcast?

I think I Read it was Peter J Holt (the son)

[Degoat]

I’ve got a feeling will be #3, just a weird hunch

[Racspur1]

https://www.earnestassoc.com/ea-2015/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/do-or-do-not.jpg

[CGD]

Really curious what picks the Magic get. The two for one trade potential is super interesting.

[spurraider21]

ran my 1 simulator today

Rockets
Blazers
Magic
Spurs
Pistons

[spursparker9]

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/newspress-collage-22788447-1656036459995.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&1656022431


https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/Screen-Shot-2022-06-23-at-10.09.13-PM.png?w=808

[baseline bum]

ran my 1 simulator today

Rockets
Blazers
Magic
Spurs
Pistons

Just ran it for my roll today and got this, which would be a dream scenario since we get Kareem Abdul-Wembanyama and LOL Pistons LOL Rockets getting their worst possible picks. Plus Portland gets the #2 but obviously can't draft Scoot with Lollard there. Then Hornets #3 but they're going to draft him to play with Ball?

1. Spurs
2. Blazers
3. Hornets
4. Mavs
5. Pistons
6. Rockets
7. Magic

[Ariel]

Really curious what picks the Magic get. The two for one trade potential is super interesting.
It'd take 3 things IMO:
1) Our own pick landing 2/3
2) The Chicago pick (currently 11) not landing top 4, otherwise they lose it.
3) Their pick landing after ours and them being super insterested in one player only (Scoot/Miller?)
Under those conditions, it's workable. With that said, the appeal of such trade to me is contingent on getting 2 out of Cam Whitmore Anthony Black and Taylor Hendricks, and they seem to be raising on boards. If they're all gone I wouldn't do 2 for 6+11 straight up, I'd ask for an extra first or they can F themselves (they should do that if they really like their guy, as they've got their core together and should consolidate picks rather than accumulate them).

[Ariel]

Plus Portland gets the #2 but obviously can't draft Scoot with Lollard there.
I can totally see Portland drafting Scoot and trading Dame. In fact that would make a lot of sense, they're going nowhere with him and his value will plummet with each year. They should cash him in before his contract becomes untradeable.

[baseline bum]

I can totally see Portland drafting Scoot and trading Dame. In fact that would make a lot of sense, they're going nowhere with him and his value will plummet with each year. They should cash him in before his contract becomes untradeable.

Tough to trade a star who really wants to stay and make it work there on his small market team but yeah at 33 looks like their hand is pretty much forced. Thought he was a couple of years younger when I posted that.

[Dex]

Sincere question that has probably already been asked and answered...but how exactly do they "perform" the picks these days?

Obviously it's not like the old days where they just reach in and pick an envelope. (NY sends its regards to Stern)

Do they still use ping-pong balls? Do they put it through a computer simulation? Do they race puppies?

I assume it's all done by computer now, but that's basically like going on Tankathon or NBA2K and running a single simulation....seems like it would be awfully easy for a tech to manipulate but hard to prove.

[BatManu20]

I’ve got a feeling will be #3, just a weird hunch

Amen Thompson you are a Spur.

[k830713]

1. Spurs
2. Hornets
3. Trail Blazers
4. Pistons
5. Rockets

[vander]

be nice if some intern would just leak the draft order, or at least #1

[Ariel]

Sincere question that has probably already been asked and answered...but how exactly do they "perform" the picks these days?

Obviously it's not like the old days where they just reach in and pick an envelope. (NY sends its regards to Stern)

Do they still use ping-pong balls? Do they put it through a computer simulation? Do they race puppies?

I assume it's all done by computer now, but that's basically like going on Tankathon or NBA2K and running a single simulation....seems like it would be awfully easy for a tech to manipulate but hard to prove.
They take a bunch of roaches and glue a paper with a team's name on each. Whichever takes a dump faster wins. If it dies before you're back to the end of the line.

[Seventyniner]

It'd take 3 things IMO:
1) Our own pick landing 2/3
2) The Chicago pick (currently 11) not landing top 4, otherwise they lose it.
3) Their pick landing after ours and them being super insterested in one player only (Scoot/Miller?)
Under those conditions, it's workable. With that said, the appeal of such trade to me is contingent on getting 2 out of Cam Whitmore Anthony Black and Taylor Hendricks, and they seem to be raising on boards. If they're all gone I wouldn't do 2 for 6+11 straight up, I'd ask for an extra first or they can F themselves (they should do that if they really like their guy, as they've got their core together and should consolidate picks rather than accumulate them).

The trade would have to be agreed to while the Spurs are on the clock for #2, right? Unless the Magic and Spurs both want the same player at #2?

[scott]

Sincere question that has probably already been asked and answered...but how exactly do they "perform" the picks these days?

Obviously it's not like the old days where they just reach in and pick an envelope. (NY sends its regards to Stern)

Do they still use ping-pong balls? Do they put it through a computer simulation? Do they race puppies?

I assume it's all done by computer now, but that's basically like going on Tankathon or NBA2K and running a single simulation....seems like it would be awfully easy for a tech to manipulate but hard to prove.

I thought I read that they draw ping pong balls, but not just simply a ping pong ball that says "Spurs". They draw four (IIRC) balls to form a 4-digit code, with each code corresponding to a team. The Spurs, Rockets and Pistons having more combinations that belong to them than the Raptors, for example.

This may be outdated, but that was the last I read of how it works.

[baseline bum]

Sincere question that has probably already been asked and answered...but how exactly do they "perform" the picks these days?

Obviously it's not like the old days where they just reach in and pick an envelope. (NY sends its regards to Stern)

Do they still use ping-pong balls? Do they put it through a computer simulation? Do they race puppies?

I assume it's all done by computer now, but that's basically like going on Tankathon or NBA2K and running a single simulation....seems like it would be awfully easy for a tech to manipulate but hard to prove.

https://www.nba.com/news/nba-draft-lottery-explainer

[scott]

That's not a valid combination for the last 5, because it would mean 1 (Detroit) and 2 (Houston) are out of the top 4, and they'd get 5 over any of those teams. That's something you have to be aware of when proposing a given combination because, in spite of the reveal order, only top 4 is allotted by the lottery, the rest is assigned in reverse order to their record, which means not every possible shuffle of 14 teams is valid. I suggest you simply pick a given top 4 order, then the rest I can put together so that it's consistent.

This is close to your scenario, I took the first four you listed (SA, POR, WAS and ORL) and left out Charlotte for consistency, and filled the rest in reverse form. It's corresponding sequence is: 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 7, 4, 2, 1, 6, 8, 5, 3
There you can see how the table (conditioned on known events) evolves:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J7eMTShv0LypFl-h0ovFS-vS7S_F5J7N/edit#gid=857857078

Thanks dude. Yeah, I realized I picked an invalid combo of teams there and forgot they are only drawing top 4.

I think at the end of the day, despite any statistics, there are two important things to remember:

1) As the count down from 14, the more teams that jump the worse that is for the Spurs. If 4 teams jump, you can start drafting your angry posts - we're drawing 7th.
2) If we get through 14-5 and the Spurs haven't been called, the odds from there on out are relatively flat for each subsequent pick, regardless of which teams are left.

Enjoy the ride!

[scott]

https://www.nba.com/news/nba-draft-lottery-explainer

Brian Wright will know our fate first.

Just a note - Peter J Holt is the only owner representing a team on stage and I don't love it. No one gives a shit about owners. Lose the hubris and stay home where you belong.

[Ariel]

1) As the count down from 14, the more teams that jump the worse that is for the Spurs. If 4 teams jump, you can start drafting your angry posts - we're drawing 7th.
2) If we get through 14-5 and the Spurs haven't been called, the odds from there on out are relatively flat for each subsequent pick, regardless of which teams are left.
Yeah. It's actually a bit paradoxical, because:
1) whenever a team below you is skipped (as in they're reading 10th spot and they go straight to 9) that means it jumped into top 4 and lessens your chances.
2) if you SURVIVE your slot, it's retrospectively better to have teams below you having jumped into top 4, because it improves your chances.
So past bad news turn into great present news Isn't math fun :lol

[John B]

Rolled twice. #2 on 1st try, and #1 pick on 2nd try. I’ll leave it there.

[timvp]

Just a note - Peter J Holt is the only owner representing a team on stage and I don't love it. No one gives a shit about owners. Lose the hubris and stay home where you belong.

Eh, daddy was on hand for Tim Duncan. Might as well let the son serve as a human good luck charm.

[DPG21920]

I don't think Dallas or Portland take Scoot. Detroit or Charlotte, probably does but I bet they'd consider trading back for another asset.

I think Dallas and POR 100% take Scoot. They both badly need more playmaking next to their main guards. Same with CHA. DET is the one team that maybe would be open to moving him, but like I said, I would love to trade pick 3 for Ivey if DET would do that in this scenario

[mo7888]

I think Dallas and POR 100% take Scoot. They both badly need more playmaking next to their main guards. Same with CHA. DET is the one team that maybe would be open to moving him, but like I said, I would love to trade pick 3 for Ivey if DET would do that in this scenario

My fingers are crossed that neither of us find out who's correct...

[DPG21920]

My fingers are crossed that neither of us find out who's correct...

I will be literally sick if Dallas lands Wemby.

[Ariel]

I think Dallas and POR 100% take Scoot. They both badly need more playmaking next to their main guards. Same with CHA. DET is the one team that maybe would be open to moving him, but like I said, I would love to trade pick 3 for Ivey if DET would do that in this scenario
I seriously doubt Charlotte or Dallas take Scoot... I mean, 1 ball for both Lamelo AND Scoot? As for Dallas, they may try to trade the pick. Otherwise Brandon Miller is a better fit, they already have a lead guard in Luka, plus they've got Kyrie. A big, shooting wing is a much more pressing need. I could also see them trading back and getting a lower pick while picking up a couple interesting players, say the land 3 and Miller is gone, then maybe Orlando calls and they'd do a Wendell Carter + 6 (Hendricks) for 3 (Scoot) + future first.

[DPG21920]

I seriously doubt Charlotte or Dallas take Scoot... I mean, 1 ball for both Lamelo AND Scoot? As for Dallas, they may try to trade the pick. Otherwise Brandon Miller is a better fit, they already have a lead guard in Luka, plus they've got Kyrie. A big, shooting wing is a much more pressing need. I could also see them trading back and getting a lower pick while picking up a couple interesting players, say the land 3 and Miller is gone, then maybe Orlando calls and they'd do a Wendell Carter + 6 (Hendricks) for 2 + future first.

I’d love to be wrong but I think teams will take best player available and that’s Scoot. They are lottery teams, they need talent.

[Budkin]

https://media1.sacurrent.com/sacurrent/imager/we-need-to-talk-about-those-spurs-veladora/u/original/2258610/2213724481jpg

[JPB]

I can only see Dallas taking Scoot if they know Irving walks.

[barakz21]

Eh, daddy was on hand for Tim Duncan. Might as well let the son serve as a human good luck charm.

If we’re doing good luck charms, we might as well swing for the fences and have TD be there, he’s literally the charm that brought good fortune to the franchise. I’d have him backstopped by DRob as well.

[exstatic]

I can only see Dallas taking Scoot if they know Irving walks.

And they won't know that on draft night.

[DPG21920]

And they won't know that on draft night.

Only thing I can see is a team like Dallas may be interested in trading back to pick 3 (if SA has pick 3 and Dallas pick 2) if we offer up Keldon + pick 3. I can see them wanting a win now young guy + still getting a top 3 pick too.

But if not, they take Scoot. They had Brunson and Luka and regret not having Brunson, so they can get someone with more upside and hedge Kylie leaving etc..

[mo7888]

I’d love to be wrong but I think teams will take best player available and that’s Scoot. They are lottery teams, they need talent.

Dallas nor Portland see themselves as lottery teams in the traditional sense. Charlotte and Detroit are...

[Dex]

https://www.nba.com/news/nba-draft-lottery-explainer

Thank you sir!

For anyone else who is too lazy to Google like I am:


How specifically does the Lottery work?

The 2023 NBA Draft Lottery will be held Tuesday, May 16. ESPN will air the results live at 8 p.m. ET. The 38th annual NBA Draft Lottery will determine the order of selection for the first 14 picks of the 2023 NBA Draft. Drawings will be conducted to determine the first four picks in the NBA Draft. The remainder of the “lottery teams” will select in positions five through 14 in inverse order of their 2022-23 regular-season records.

The actual lottery procedure will take place in a separate room just before ESPN’s national broadcast. Select media, NBA officials and representatives of the participating teams and the accounting firm Ernst & Young will be in attendance for the drawings.

Fourteen ping-pong balls numbered 1 through 14 will be placed in a lottery machine. There are 1,001 possible combinations when four balls are drawn out of 14, without regard to their order of selection. Before the lottery, 1,000 of those 1,001 combinations will be assigned to the 14 participating lottery teams. The lottery machine is manufactured by the Smart Play Company, a leading manufacturer of state lottery machines throughout the United States. Smart Play also weighs, measures and certifies the ping-pong balls before the drawing.

The drawing process occurs in the following manner: All 14 balls are placed in the lottery machine and they are mixed for 20 seconds, and then the first ball is removed. The remaining balls are mixed in the lottery machine for another 10 seconds, and then the second ball is drawn. There is a 10-second mix, and then the third ball is drawn. There is a 10-second mix, and then the fourth ball is drawn. The team that has been assigned that combination will receive the No. 1 pick. The same process is repeated with the same ping-pong balls and lottery machine for the second through fourth picks.

If the same team comes up more than once, the result is discarded and another four-ball combination is selected. Also, if the one unassigned combination is drawn, the result is discarded and the balls are drawn again. The length of time the balls are mixed is monitored by a timekeeper who faces away from the machine and signals the machine operator after the appropriate amount of time has elapsed.

A representative from Ernst & Young oversees the entire lottery process and stuffs and seals the envelopes before bringing them to the studio for the broadcast. The announcement of the lottery results will be made by NBA Deputy Commissioner and Chief Operating Officer Mark Tatum. A second representative from each participating team will be seated on stage. Neither the Deputy Commissioner nor the team representatives on stage will be informed of the lottery results before the envelopes are opened. The team whose logo is in the last envelope opened will have the No. 1 pick in the 2023 NBA Draft, which will be held on Thursday, June 22.

[JPB]

And they won't know that on draft night.

They sure can know if Irving doesn't want to renew before draft night.

[exstatic]

They sure can know if Irving doesn't want to renew before draft night.

They won't know for sure. He's said he was staying on every team he's ever played for, and then forced his way out. You can't really believe his words, and the draft is before free agency, so you won't know his actions until he does them in early July.

[BatManu20]

You heard it here first. Pop doesn’t think we deserve the #1 overall pick.

1658589504175833088

[Big Empty]

One tiiiiiime! #Wemby

[LeBowen]

Tall like Timmy, French like Tony, skilled like Manu!

I'm off the internet untill the lottery is done, would be happy with a top3 pick. 5th or lower would be really disappointing after everything that's been done this season to secure a good pick.

[RC_Drunkford]

Pop should stfu

[slick'81]

#1 pick here we fucking come

[rascal]

If we’re doing good luck charms, we might as well swing for the fences and have TD be there, he’s literally the charm that brought good fortune to the franchise. I’d have him backstopped by DRob as well.

DRob was there last year, no luck.

[vander]

I hope this senile old fool donates half his salary to TD every year

[Leetonidas]

You heard it here first. Pop doesn’t think we deserve the #1 overall pick.

1658589504175833088

#1 pick confirmed

[Dejounte]

#7 here we come

[scott]

90 minutes to glory.

How you guys gonna chop your own dicks off when 86% hits? Kitchen shears or rusty old hacksaw?

[TD 21]

Pop continues to conflate his not deserving the #1 pick with the Spurs not.

I won't rehash all I've said about this ad nauseam, but they absolutely deserve it and the second the league gives them reparations, i'll be the first to say they're the last team that deserves lottery luck going forward.

[NASpurs]

I'm just here for the celebra...glorious meltdown.

[timvp]

My Wemby lottery winner preference:

1. Spurs - tbh
2. Hornets - that'd help that first round pick to the Spurs convey
3. Wizards - how much damage could he do as a Wizard?
4. Pistons - Pistons fans have always been pretty cool
5. Magic - Go east, young man.
6. Pacers - Kinda scary destination but at least it's in the East
7. Raptors - Still salty about that Kawhi trade or else they'd be higher
8. Jazz - Maybe Stockton could distract Wemby with QAnon
9. Blazers - Messy ownership group so not a super scary landing spot
10. Bulls - It's in the East but, ugh, those picks they owe the Spurs would be less valuable
11. Pelicans - Also owe Spurs picks but Vic and Zion would be pretty entertaining, tbh (for the 5 games a year they play together)
12. Thunder - Yikes, too much talent being stacked over there.
13. Rockets - Gross.
14. Mavericks - Disgusting.

[cd98]

Pop reverse jinxing. No issue with it.

[SpurPadre]

I beg to differ with Pop. After what that piece of shit Kawhi put us through, who set us back 30 years with his bullshit, we definitely deserve #1 overall pick. Please, Basketball Gods, do us this solid.

[BatManu20]

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[NASpurs]

I beg to differ with Pop. After what that piece of shit Kawhi put us through, who set us back 30 years with his bullshit, we definitely deserve #1 overall pick. Please, Basketball Gods, do us this solid.

This dude could go into a non-Kawhi thread and always find a way to bring him up. Yeah ok man, we get it. That shit was like 5 years ago. :lol

[SpurPadre]

This dude could go into a non-Kawhi thread and always find a way to bring him up. Yeah ok man, we get it. That shit was like 5 years ago. :lol

I get you but what he did set us back long term no matter how long ago it happened.

[td4mvp2k]

just hoping for a top 3 BB gods.

[NASpurs]

I get you but what he did set us back long term no matter how long ago it happened.

Could've maybe had one more 'ship with him but look at the state he's currently in and all the drama that follows him. Good riddance. Spurs may get a generational player tonight. If Kawhi was on the team, we would be getting bounced out of the first round constantly. The dude plays like 50% of games. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Sorry ass Detroit will get the number one pick. Watch.

[Silverheart80]

Ginobili jersey on. Hitting the streets to go watch with my dad, just like when we drafted David and Tim.

Talk to you later tonight, gente. I love Pop but he's wrong about us not deserving any luck. We're due.

May the Karma be with us for #1. :flag:

[SpurPadre]

Could've maybe had one more 'ship with him but look at the state he's currently in and all the drama that follows him. Good riddance. Spurs may get a generational player tonight. If Kawhi was on the team, we would be getting bounced out of the first round constantly. The dude plays like 50% of games. :lol

Agreed. Thanks for being the voice of reason. I am just looking for whatever angle to get that #1 pick! :lol

[scott]

1 hour.... snuck in another tankathon spin. Got 6th.

[JPB]

Wemby or Cam and I'm good. Or if we can get cam and Bilal trading down if we miss on Wemby and get #2, I'm even better.

[SpurPadre]

Sorry ass Detroit will get the number one pick. Watch.

Just saw your profile pic, forgetting Forbes got busted and found this: https://www.marca.com/en/basketball/nba/minnesota-timberwolves/2023/03/16/641327b622601dce288b4583.html

Fuck, what is it with former Spurs getting caught up in all this shit?! Makes TP fucking a teammate's wife seem like such an innocent thing :lol

[NASpurs]

I spun it 10 times and got the 1st pick one time.

Shit is rigged.

[Uriel]

I spun it 10 times and got the 1st pick one time.

Shit is rigged.
Actually, with a 14% chance, that's exactly what you'd expect. 1 or 2 times.

[Uriel]

FWIW, they've probably already drawn the lottery by now and a select few people already know who got Wemby. The rest of us will just find out when it airs on TV.

[NASpurs]

Actually, with a 14% chance, that's exactly what you'd expect. 1 or 2 times.

As a Spurs fan, I expect it 10 out of 10 times :lol

[SpurPadre]

I spun it 10 times and got the 1st pick one time.

Shit is rigged.

Same and got 6th 4 times.

[Seventyniner]

When do we find out who won the rehearsal?

[InRareForm]

Longest hour ever.

[Ariel]

https://i.ibb.co/MC82K9v/nailbiting.gif

[MVPCues]

This is a done deal, my lucky Spurs socks are going on...

[scott]

Another Spin with 34 minutes to go in honor of Terry Cummings: Got 4th.

[offset formation]

I get you but what he did set us back long term no matter how long ago it happened.

Never feel obligated to apologize for speaking truth about neph

[barakz21]

Is it on BSPN?

[slick'81]

Come to daddy wemby

[Dverde]

Feel like the entire city has jinxed this pick being #1. Just hoping for a top 3 pick.

[Rocalcio]

1:50 am here in France, but I wouldn’t miss that !

[SpurPadre]

Has anybody put up the praying kid gif yet?

[NASpurs]

People will cry or laugh tonight for different reasons :lol

[Budkin]

14% are shit odds. We need luck.

[SpurPadre]

14% are shit odds. We need luck.

That's what 2 other teams' fans are saying right now.

[SpurPadre]

The moment of truth is almost here...

[John B]

Almost there bitches :lol

[Uriel]

Just hoping for a top 4 pick.

[Uriel]

Wembanyama, Henderson, Miller, Thompson. All have star potential.

[Rosewood]

14% seems so much lower now than it did a month ago.

Top 3 would be nice. Lottery Gods bless us!!

[scott]

Last warm up spin. #2.

[spurraider21]

14%?

wow, thats like a 2/90 chance

[Spurs Homer]

In other news…

nikola joker just got two fouls…right before the nuggets/lakers game!

[Spurs Homer]

I hate these bspn announcers

[John B]

Why is Scoot's belt on his chest?? :lol

[DAF86]

Inside souces telling me the number 1 pick will be going to the Charlotte Hornets.

[Uriel]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwMFcBOWwAwBTmS?format=jpg&name=large

[scott]

I will say, the Thompsons do carry themselves well - they seem like good kids, coachable.

[slick'81]

Have faith fuckers

[scott]

ESPN and the NBA sure have capitalized in making an event out of this. Didn't this used to just be something at halftime of a playoff game?

[Budkin]

ESPN and the NBA sure have capitalized in making an event out of this. Didn't this used to just be something at halftime of a playoff game?

Yep.

[spurraider21]

Woj says teams dont seem concerned about Brandon Miller's off court stuff at all

[itzsoweezee]

Rooting for the spurs and at the same time rooting against a bunch of the trash franchises. Worst outcome is spurs get a low pick and someone like the rockets get the #1 pick

[Thomas82]

ESPN and the NBA sure have capitalized in making an event out of this. Didn't this used to just be something at halftime of a playoff game?

Yes it did. The Tim Duncan lottery was at halftime of the Knicks/Heat Game 7 that year.

[NASpurs]

I've been on team tank for like five years now so it better pay off tonight :pctoss

[SpursWoman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwMFcBOWwAwBTmS?format=jpg&name=large

From their lips to God's ears ��

[TE]

Ahh yes these next 3 minutes or so will determine our relevancy the next 3-5 years

[Robz4000]

My body isn't ready.

[BillMc]

Here we go!!!

[slick'81]

Come on top 3 lfg!!!

[Budkin]

LFG TBH

[heyheymymy]

2 mins till destiny

[slick'81]

Feel like wemby is going to det

[Marcus Bryant]

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/peter-holt-of-the-san-antonio-spurs-looks-on-during-the-1997-nba-on-picture-id661612456?s=612x612

[ducks]

My body isn't ready.
For sex ?

[Robz4000]

Spurs gonna drop to 7. Calling it now.

[Thomas82]

Feel like wemby is going to det

That would be a train wreck.

[slick'81]

Here we go

[spurraider21]

i dont feel good about this

[NASpurs]

Holy shit, Ben Wallace looks old as shit.

[NASpurs]

We getting that 12th pick.

[slick'81]

Prayers in the thread

[slick'81]

14 pels

[slick'81]

10 dallas

[slick'81]

7 indiana

[MVPCues]

top 4!

[slick'81]

Omg

[NASpurs]

Top 4 pick bitches

[slick'81]

5 det

[scott]

TOP 4