Victor Wembanyama - load management and physical development

[drpill]

One of the most intriguing aspects of Wembanyama joining the Spurs next season is trying to get a handle on how much playing time he will or should receive, and speculating about what his physical potential might be. It's easy to see where his unique body and skillset could take him, but what about that lanky frame? Does he need to add a lot of bulk to handle the rigors of the NBA? Is he going to be injury prone? Does he need his minutes capped as part of an overall strategy to protect his health?

This Brian Windhorst article offers some insight into Wembanyama's regimen and his team's approach to keeping him healthy. https://www.espn.in/nba/story/_/id/35690491/preparing-nba-victor-wembanyama-revolution


In the meantime, though, Wembanyama is supposed to be getting plenty of sleep. The athletic trainer hired this season specifically to care for him, Guillaume Alquier, waits for text messages every morning to get a report on how long the player slept. They don't rely on technology to track it; Alquier records it manually.

Alquier wants Wembanyama to get 10 hours a day but will live with eight or nine. Jeremy Medjana, Wembanyama's veteran Paris-based agent, also wants sleep updates and, frankly, would prefer at least 11 hours. Medjana manages his schedule diligently to clear time in the afternoons for naps.


THE SHOW ON game nights starts early.

Wembanyama is often one of the first players on the floor, where he goes through an extensive body activation routine. It's not quite Stephen Curry-esque, but it's intriguing nonetheless. Alquier puts him through the paces, which includes juggling tennis balls and going through other fast-twitch muscle and hand-eye coordination warmups.


If there's one thing Alquier cares more about than Wembanyama's sleep, it's his feet. Protecting the feet is vital for big men in the NBA, and there's perhaps few others on the planet with the type of long, arched and narrow Size 21 feet that Wembanyama has.

"We have unbelievable experience working on how to avoid stress [injuries], how to avoid them with those long feet," said Ndiaye, who has represented numerous French 7-footers during his career. "This is something that you have to work on. And we have been setting up a special program on Victor, on his feet these past three years. ... We have been working very specifically on his body to make him safer, and with a different approach."

Since he was 15, Wembanyama has been working to align his knees and learn how to land to soften the load. But his out-of-the-box techniques these days draw a crowd.

With shoes and socks off sitting on the floor, Alquier has him crawl on his fingertips and toes in an effort to strengthen his core. Then there is the big toe: Alquier spends a lot of time working on the big toes.

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What does Victor Wembanyama's pregame stretching routine look like? Take a look at him prior to the Metropolitans 92 game against the G League Ignite on Oct. 6, 2022. Jim Poorten/NBAE via Getty Images

He will put bands around each of Wembanyama's big toes and stretch them to create resistance. Wembanyama grimaces as he goes through the drill, pushing back to create tension.

"We do it to improve the stability of the body and to help warm up the legs," Alquier said. "You have a big pressure with the big toe, to push during the spring."

On off days, following his team practices and after he naps, Wembanyama spends two hours every evening with Alquier. Wembanyama uses weights but not for the direct purpose of slapping on pounds. Adding weight is a sensitive topic with Wembanyama and his advisers.

Wembanyama has a slight build, officially listed at 230 pounds, and it's already a discussion point for scouts who have watched him closely. For some, it will be an automatic reaction to insist he needs more bulk once he arrives in the NBA. But it will not be a priority, and it is a nonnegotiable item for the Wembanyama camp.

It was backed up strongly after Wembanyama spent 10 days training in Germany last year with Holger Geschwindner, known for his decades of work with future Hall of Famer Dirk Nowitzki. Geschwindner begged the French teen to ignore the coming calls for him to add too much weight because it might risk his career.

"The weight will come over time, you know, but the focus on weight is -- it's a mistake," Ndiaye said. "I'm 100 percent sure on that. If you put too much weight too quickly on Victor's body -- it's not going to last. For sure. He will be injury-prone."

Wembanyama has been eating five times a day for five years to help his muscles keep up with his bones. The plan is for him to gain strength but not necessarily gain a great deal of weight immediately.

"I don't see myself becoming, like, a really, really big guy," Wembanyama said.

That said, in this short documentary (at 18:40), Wemby explicitly states that his goal is "to acquire the strength of Giannis," which if it's possible, will be something to see:


https://youtu.be/bTHSIAOk5dk?t=1122

This video goes into extensive detail about his training and warm-up routines, and includes the claim that he has "never lifted weights in his life."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fh9IgfuJ4s

In terms of playing time, Victor says here (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/36255353/projected-top-pick-victor-wembanyama-submits-paperwork-nba-draft):


"I've been working more than ever on my body with my personal trainer Guillaume [Alquier]," Wembanyama said. "I'm ready to go over all sorts of obstacles. So far it's worked pretty well. I haven't missed a game yet. I've been there for my guys every game.

"There's so many games in a NBA season. It's hard to play all 82 games, some players are built a certain way. Others got to rest. My goal is to play the most games I can, and help my team as much as I can."

All this is to demonstrate that Victor and his group already have a serious and long term plan in place for how to maintain and build his body. The Spurs have conditioning and fitness experts of their own, but my hunch is that Wembanyama will not want to alter his current plan much since it has worked well for him to this point. He recognizes it's a process and that he is not a finished product, and isn't interested in skipping steps to get to where he wants to be.

I'm intrigued to see how the Spurs organization will adapt to this plan, how much they might demand from Victor or try to protect him. I feel they will err on the side of caution with this once in a lifetime opportunity, in order to keep him physically and developmentally on track and to keep their new superstar happy. I hope there is no sort of behind the scenes conflict between Spurs medical staff and the experts that Victor has already been working with, and that they are all on the same page in their approach to his health. If anything might sour Victor on playing with a particular team, it would probably be this kind of disagreement over what's best for him in this area in the long and short term.

[exstatic]

One of the most intriguing aspects of Wembanyama joining the Spurs next season is trying to get a handle on how much playing time he will or should receive, and speculating about what his physical potential might be. It's easy to see where his unique body and skillset could take him, but what about that lanky frame? Does he need to add a lot of bulk to handle the rigors of the NBA? Is he going to be injury prone? Does he need his minutes capped as part of an overall strategy to protect his health?

This Brian Windhorst article offers some insight into Wembanyama's regimen and his team's approach to keeping him healthy. https://www.espn.in/nba/story/_/id/35690491/preparing-nba-victor-wembanyama-revolution







That said, in this short documentary (at 18:40), Wemby explicitly states that his goal is "to acquire the strength of Giannis," which if it's possible, will be something to see:


https://youtu.be/bTHSIAOk5dk?t=1122

This video goes into extensive detail about his training and warm-up routines, and includes the claim that he has "never lifted weights in his life."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fh9IgfuJ4s

In terms of playing time, Victor says here (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/36255353/projected-top-pick-victor-wembanyama-submits-paperwork-nba-draft):



All this is to demonstrate that Victor and his group already have a serious and long term plan in place for how to maintain and build his body. The Spurs have conditioning and fitness experts of their own, but my hunch is that Wembanyama will not want to alter his current plan much since it has worked well for him to this point. He recognizes it's a process and that he is not a finished product, and isn't interested in skipping steps to get to where he wants to be.

I'm intrigued to see how the Spurs organization will adapt to this plan, how much they might demand from Victor or try to protect him. I feel they will err on the side of caution with this once in a lifetime opportunity, in order to keep him physically and developmentally on track and to keep their new superstar happy. I hope there is no sort of behind the scenes conflict between Spurs medical staff and the experts that Victor has already been working with, and that they are all on the same page in their approach to his health. If anything might sour Victor on playing with a particular team, it would probably be this kind of disagreement over what's best for him in this area in the long and short term.

The Spurs will do whatever Victor wants. There will be no conflict.

[barakz21]

If anything, they might actually be able to come up with a symbiotic relationship where both parties get to implement what they want without obstructing the goals of the other group. Something along the lines of the spurs staff incorporating something from Wemby’s into their own and his group vice versa.

[NickiRasgo]

Gotta admire the dedication and effort of Wemby in taking care of his body as early as his age.
Hope the Spurs and his camp will work together professionally and be open to achieve what both parties wants.

He's 7'3" without shoes right? Hope he's something like 7'2" or 7'3" and not 7'5" which is more scary.

[BatManu20]

Gotta admire the dedication and effort of Wemby in taking care of his body as early as his age.
Hope the Spurs and his camp will work together professionally and be open to achieve what both parties wants.

He's 7'3" without shoes right? Hope he's something like 7'2" or 7'3" and not 7'5" which is more scary.

Rudy Gobert is 7’1 without shoes and Victor has at least 3-4 inches on him… I think Wemby’s a legit 7’5 tbh. Hope I’m wrong but that looks to be the case.


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[Mr. Body]

Good stuff. It's impressive how much he's doing already to care for his body. He's really serious about this. I don't want to mention a certain chunky boi in New Orleans, but I will.

The Spurs seem to have a really good medical staff and take these things seriously, too. I doubt there's going to be much disagreement at all. I can see SAS recognizing Victor has done a lot of work in this area already and are prepared to supplement and advance where he already is.

[RC_Drunkford]

a Giannis type of frame would be perfect. I like that they are not rushing things and want him to bulk up gradually.

[itzsoweezee]

Amazing dedication rom a teenager. This guy is married beyond his years.

And I’m glad his people aren’t focused on weight. It would be a huge mistake to try to put on a ton of pounds. This is 2023, he doesn’t need bulk.

[Spurs Homer]

lol sleepy vic!

[Fireball]

Really interesting stuff! Very dedicated for such a young man (or kid as Pop will call him). I also hoped he is not taller than 7'2'' but seeing him besides Gobert ... that is crazy.

[NickiRasgo]

Rudy Gobert is 7’1 without shoes and Victor has at least 3-4 inches on him… I think Wemby’s a legit 7’5 tbh. Hope I’m wrong but that looks to be the case.


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Damn.

Gobert can actually be a future Spur. lol He's currently 30 and going 31 this June and his contract will end in 2026 (he'll likely pickup his Player Option) and he'll be cheap by then but still serviceable to take the defensive load away from Wemby and be a mentor - assuming Wemby will be fine (production and health) by that time.

[BatManu20]

Damn.

Gobert can actually be a future Spur. lol He's currently 30 and going 31 this June and his contract will end in 2026 (he'll likely pickup his Player Option) and he'll be cheap by then but still serviceable to take the defensive load away from Wemby and be a mentor - assuming Wemby will be fine (production and health) by that time.

Would be fitting. He was one pick away from being a Spur in the 2013 NBA Draft. Denver scooped him up with the 27th Pick and we ended up picking Livio Jean-Charles with the 28th Pick. We later learned he would’ve been the pick had been been available.

[cd98]

I'm glad to see they are taking a proactive approach. Sports medicine and training keeps advancing. When I was a kid, if you tore an ACL, your career was over. Now days they are out for a year and two years later it's like it never happened.

[spurraider21]

i mean, that daily routine/regimen is impressive, but i hope he doesnt burn out like todd marinovich or tiger woods tbh

[timvp]

Great post, drpill. Thanks.

I like the idea of him avoiding bulking up too quickly. Wembanyama needs to get stronger but that should come naturally as he ages. Staying skinny is fine -- and probably preferrable to minimize the stress on his feet.

The worst thing he can do is just gain 20 to 30 pounds of muscle just to "get ready" for the NBA. Especially because the NBA really isn't about bulk strength like it used to be years ago. Not sure Durant can bench the bar but that doesn't slow him down at all, tbh.

Stay slim. Work on flexibility and core strength. And do whatever can be done to keep the feet, ankles and knees healthy.

[polandprzem]

Great post, drpill (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1347). Thanks.

I like the idea of him avoiding bulking up too quickly. Wembanyama needs to get stronger but that should come naturally as he ages. Staying skinny is fine -- and probably preferrable to minimize the stress on his feet.

The worst thing he can do is just gain 20 to 30 pounds of muscle just to "get ready" for the NBA. Especially because the NBA really isn't about bulk strength like it used to be years ago. Not sure Durant can bench the bar but that doesn't slow him down at all, tbh.

Stay slim. Work on flexibility and core strength. And do whatever can be done to keep the feet, ankles and knees healthy.

Yea well 30 pds of muscle .... okay


Tbh he should gain more strength in the gym. Those excercises they showed are okay but that abs was weak. bear crawl needs to be done better as the pushups. I think him gaining 20pds first year would be nice

[TekXX]

Obviously it's ok now being 19 but the issue will be getting older and the wear and tear of a long ass NBA season but i guess it never hurts to stay as prepared as possible.

[polandprzem]

For a 19yro dude not lifting weights as a sporstman is a crime. He can do flexability work as much as he wants but the body will not take much if not strong.

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTnDkOAuwYs&ab_channel=IrascibleMonk

[TD 21]

Great post, drpill (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1347). Thanks.

I like the idea of him avoiding bulking up too quickly. Wembanyama needs to get stronger but that should come naturally as he ages. Staying skinny is fine -- and probably preferrable to minimize the stress on his feet.

The worst thing he can do is just gain 20 to 30 pounds of muscle just to "get ready" for the NBA. Especially because the NBA really isn't about bulk strength like it used to be years ago. Not sure Durant can bench the bar but that doesn't slow him down at all, tbh.

Stay slim. Work on flexibility and core strength. And do whatever can be done to keep the feet, ankles and knees healthy.

I don't disagree with the premise, but the difference with Durant specifically is, he was primarily a SF and now PF, whereas Wembanyama will likely be more of a PF who eventually becomes more of a C, where obviously more strength is needed.

People have this notion that "it's only Jokic and Embiid who are serious post-up threats", which is not only incorrect, but myopic. It's not just about that. There's drives and block outs where strength matters too.

[BackHome]

Good article pretty clear his people want a slow process which I agree with and the Spurs will do what his team wants.

[scott]

Very cool stuff, this kid has obviously been preparing for this for years, which pours cold water on the stupid idea that we'll play him 40 games for 20 minutes/per.

I imagine he'll come with his own team. This is pretty common for more European-centric sports, like F1, where a driver will have his own personal performance coach (Lewis Hamilton had his own personal physiotherapist who he only recently parted was with). I imagine Guillaume Alquier will be coming with him and start being a staple on the sidelines. Does the CBA allow for the Spurs to pay these kinds of people as part of the staff, or does Wemby has to pay out of his own pocket?

[BackHome]

For a 19yro dude not lifting weights as a sporstman is a crime. He can do flexability work as much as he wants but the body will not take much if not strong.

I think they will focus on his core strength which you really don’t need weights to achieve results

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs will hire him as they should. They did the same with Nephew‘s friend Castleberry or whatever his name was.

[kht]

If I'm the Spurs, he ain't playing any more than 20 minutes a game. I don't care about any in-game situation or time.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

1 game a week 1 minute for 1 quarter every 1 half

[kobyz]

Rudy Gobert is 7’1 without shoes and Victor has at least 3-4 inches on him… I think Wemby’s a legit 7’5 tbh. Hope I’m wrong but that looks to be the case.


https://cdn.nba.com/manage/2022/10/GettyImages-1243779555-scaled-e1665095527612.jpg

Would you trade Keldon for Gobert?

[lefty20]

Spurs will hire him as they should. They did the same with Nephew‘s friend Castleberry or whatever his name was.

Dingleberry, iirc.

[DAF86]

If I'm the Spurs, he ain't playing any more than 20 minutes a game. I don't care about any in-game situation or time.

That would be the most effective way to get him disgruntled.

Yall crazy "we need to keep Wemby on a bubble" folks need to chill and stop overreacting., tbh.

[NickiRasgo]

For a 19yro dude not lifting weights as a sporstman is a crime. He can do flexability work as much as he wants but the body will not take much if not strong.

PG recently said that Adams, Westbrook and David West doesn't do weightlifting. Sure different body but there are ways to strengthen the body other than weightlifting.

[polandprzem]

PG recently said that Adams, Westbrook and David West doesn't do weightlifting. Sure different body but there are ways to strengthen the body other than weightlifting.
Sure :rolleyes

[polandprzem]

I think they will focus on his core strength which you really don’t need weights to achieve results

core stength is not enough

[Mr. Body]

Wasn't Kevin Durant not able to bench press a single time during the draft combine?

[polandprzem]

He can stay weak no big deal tbh :)

If we talk about development there is no better way to gain strength but to lift weights. Nothing around it.

As a big guy it would be nice if he could hold the ball inside or stood the ground fighting for a rebound.

[taps]

I thought the Kawhi reporting brought up medical staff disagreements between the two parties. We know Green also complained. Is there reason to keep an eye on this? all of the Spurs wellness personnel getting along with Wembys 20 trainers and doctors to both Victor and Pop’s satisfaction?
What I can come up with is they have been planning for him for five years.

[EricB]

Wasn't Kevin Durant not able to bench press a single time during the draft combine?


yeah and it became a thing with Cowherd saying he’d be a bust etc.

94.1 had a doctor on Wednesday morning who had a good perspective, who said in no uncertain terms,

that his body wouldn’t support putting on weight quickly, to just slowly add it naturally, and he feels his feet etc will be fine. When Yao Ming was brought up, and said Ming’s problem was he had naturally freakish large body in relation to his feet.

[polandprzem]

yeah and it became a thing with Cowherd saying he’d be a bust etc.

94.1 had a doctor on Wednesday morning who had a good perspective, who said in no uncertain terms,

that his body wouldn’t support putting on weight quickly, to just slowly add it naturally, and he feels his feet etc will be fine. When Yao Ming was brought up, and said Ming’s problem was he had naturally freakish large body in relation to his feet.

What does it mean naturally? In sports world.

[Extra Stout]

I think I’ll trust Wemby’s people and the Spurs’ staff to know what Wemby’s training regimen will be. My suspicion is that the regimen starts to work in more weights once the growth plates close.

[BackHome]

Is it true that your feet can keep growing all the way up to 21 years old? Was reading that most people height stop at 18 but that your feet can continue to grow until 21 years old? Yeah, I know you feet can get smaller or bigger if you loose weight or get fat but was a little surprised to learn that his feet could get longer which is why they put so much importance on his feet stretching, working the tendons, etc..and also surprised me that they wanting 8 to 10 hours of sleep

[Sugus]

What does it mean naturally? In sports world.

It means to add weight through "natural" training programs like bodyweight exercises, high cardio + slight caloric excess, and to avoid focusing on muscle buildup as a goal in itself.

As opposed to the usual "bulk him up" program of steroid injection, 6 protein-ladden meals a day, gym-rat muscle-isolation weightlifting.

You said earlier "If we talk about development there is no better way to gain strength but to lift weights", and I question the notion entirely: since when is "development" akin to muscle-building, and since when is strength-gaining the apex of player development? There might not be a "better way" to get strong than weightlifting, but the whole point of the discussion is that it might not be in Wemby's best long-term interest to bulk up and gain strength in significant measure.

As lanky as his body may seem, make no mistake, he's quite strong. And I love the exercise routine his entourage has got him on, it's great for his body - and you don't see him lifting weights at all, despite spending literal hours each day working on his body. Just excellent, medicinally advanced programs.

[polandprzem]

It means to add weight through "natural" training programs like bodyweight exercises, high cardio + slight caloric excess, and to avoid focusing on muscle buildup as a goal in itself.

As opposed to the usual "bulk him up" program of steroid injection, 6 protein-ladden meals a day, gym-rat muscle-isolation weightlifting.

You said earlier "If we talk about development there is no better way to gain strength but to lift weights", and I question the notion entirely: since when is "development" akin to muscle-building, and since when is strength-gaining the apex of player development? There might not be a "better way" to get strong than weightlifting, but the whole point of the discussion is that it might not be in Wemby's best long-term interest to bulk up and gain strength in significant measure.

As lanky as his body may seem, make no mistake, he's quite strong. And I love the exercise routine his entourage has got him on, it's great for his body - and you don't see him lifting weights at all, despite spending literal hours each day working on his body. Just excellent, medicinally advanced programs.
That is so wrong on many levels tbh. You jyst like timvp has no idea how ut works with body development.

Tbqh he is weak inside as I took a look. So it us critical fir him to get stronger. If those exercises they showed are the only one he trains. With all flexability stretch work. They need to find anither coach.
I think in NBA they do know better.

Anyway you di nit separate prigrans to natural and unnatural. They are designed.
In NBA you do have good enhancements but then if your image is pumpin iron kinda sessions... Nope.

To develop strength you do not need juge muscles but they come in handy. And to build muscles it is hard to do when you are basketball player. He would have to go 2 years without basketball to gain muscles and then strength to be satisfying for the nba level as I can see.

Its a shame that at 19 he was not introduced to weights.

Things he needs most are mobility work hypertrophy work then strength going to power abd then speed.

Not also he lacks strength but his knees are bad. Foot butt and legs a must.

20pds by his second season is a must imo. And not much more.

[JPB]

That is so wrong on many levels tbh. You jyst like timvp has no idea how ut works with body development.

Tbqh he is weak inside as I took a look. So it us critical fir him to get stronger. If those exercises they showed are the only one he trains. With all flexability stretch work. They need to find anither coach.
I think in NBA they do know better.

Anyway you di nit separate prigrans to natural and unnatural. They are designed.
In NBA you do have good enhancements but then if your image is pumpin iron kinda sessions... Nope.

To develop strength you do not need juge muscles but they come in handy. And to build muscles it is hard to do when you are basketball player. He would have to go 2 years without basketball to gain muscles and then strength to be satisfying for the nba level as I can see.

Its a shame that at 19 he was not introduced to weights.

Things he needs most are mobility work hypertrophy work then strength going to power abd then speed.

Not also he lacks strength but his knees are bad. Foot butt and legs a must.

20pds by next season is a must imo. And not much more.

I'm sure they know Victor and what they're doing better than anyone here. They even consulted Dirk's former famous trainer and guru, Holger Geschwindner (they guy who made Dirk basically and Victor trained with) and he also adviced not focus on bulking up to fast but very progressivily. Basically saying that's not the priority for now in his development and he shouldn't focus on lifting.

[Mr. Body]

That is so wrong on many levels tbh. You jyst like timvp has no idea how ut works with body development.

Tbqh he is weak inside as I took a look. So it us critical fir him to get stronger. If those exercises they showed are the only one he trains. With all flexability stretch work. They need to find anither coach.
I think in NBA they do know better.

Anyway you di nit separate prigrans to natural and unnatural. They are designed.
In NBA you do have good enhancements but then if your image is pumpin iron kinda sessions... Nope.

To develop strength you do not need juge muscles but they come in handy. And to build muscles it is hard to do when you are basketball player. He would have to go 2 years without basketball to gain muscles and then strength to be satisfying for the nba level as I can see.

Its a shame that at 19 he was not introduced to weights.

Things he needs most are mobility work hypertrophy work then strength going to power abd then speed.

Not also he lacks strength but his knees are bad. Foot butt and legs a must.

20pds by next season is a must imo. And not much more.

The obsession modern culture has with weight lifting and 'putting on gains' is absurd.

Wembanyama knows infinitely more about what his body needs than you do. It's already been made explictly clear that he doesn't want to put on body mass at this point. He has a personal trainer who has worked with top athletes who are very, very tall. His prep regimin before games and practices is extensive, and based on flexibility and preparing the different parts of his body, from joints down to his big toes, for taking the constant pressure of taking off and landing. He's valuing long-term use of those joints, cartilege, tendons, muscle, bones, over simply 'putting on weight' and muscle like some roided out meathead freak.

[Dejounte]

Staying upright on the floor is important for his back, which is why I emphasize that he has less duties defending players on the perimeter and more in the mid - paint area. He should be surrounded by players who guard “low”, so he can focus on blocks and being an interior presence. Team defense metrics goes up that way. And then an physical big inside to help with the physicality will help his long term durability. Collins is not that. He’s like a traffic cone inside when it comes to stronger players.

[polandprzem]

I'm sure they know Victor and what they're doing better than anyone here. They even consulted Dirk's former famous trainer and guru, Holger Geschwindner (they guy who made Dirk basically and Victor trained with) and he also adviced not focus on bulking up to fast but very progressivily. Basically saying that's not the priority for now in his development and he shouldn't focus on lifting.

What is too fast then?

Lifting is not bulking - again

Also as a player he is unable to bulk up as you probably think he can

[polandprzem]

The obsession modern culture has with weight lifting and 'putting on gains' is absurd.

Wembanyama knows infinitely more about what his body needs than you do. It's already been made explictly clear that he doesn't want to put on body mass at this point. He has a personal trainer who has worked with top athletes who are very, very tall. His prep regimin before games and practices is extensive, and based on flexibility and preparing the different parts of his body, from joints down to his big toes, for taking the constant pressure of taking off and landing. He's valuing long-term use of those joints, cartilege, tendons, muscle, bones, over simply 'putting on weight' and muscle like some roided out meathead freak.

Clearly you are not responding to my post.
And assures me you have no idea about training and human body.

[slick'81]

250'ish should be a solid weight overall

[Vince Carter's ankle]

That is so wrong on many levels tbh. You jyst like timvp has no idea how ut works with body development.

Tbqh he is weak inside as I took a look. So it us critical fir him to get stronger. If those exercises they showed are the only one he trains. With all flexability stretch work. They need to find anither coach.
I think in NBA they do know better.

Anyway you di nit separate prigrans to natural and unnatural. They are designed.
In NBA you do have good enhancements but then if your image is pumpin iron kinda sessions... Nope.

To develop strength you do not need juge muscles but they come in handy. And to build muscles it is hard to do when you are basketball player. He would have to go 2 years without basketball to gain muscles and then strength to be satisfying for the nba level as I can see.

Its a shame that at 19 he was not introduced to weights.

Things he needs most are mobility work hypertrophy work then strength going to power abd then speed.

Not also he lacks strength but his knees are bad. Foot butt and legs a must.

20pds by his second season is a must imo. And not much more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
here's an article for you

[Russ]

yeah and it became a thing with Cowherd saying he’d be a bust etc.

Yeah, conventional wisdom is a bitch. Colin Cowherd didn't just opine that Greg Oden would be a superstar and Kevin Durant would be a bust -- he went on and on about it.

53QOZZE01jA


94.1 had a doctor on Wednesday morning who had a good perspective, who said in no uncertain terms,

that his [Wemby's] body wouldn’t support putting on weight quickly, to just slowly add it naturally, and he feels his feet etc will be fine. When Yao Ming was brought up, and said Ming’s problem was he had naturally freakish large body in relation to his feet.

Why not just let Wemby play as much as he feels comfortable with. The natural movements of basketball will strengthen the joints and muscles that are most involved in playing basketball, likely more so than weightlifting. If Wemby bulks up his torso, the added weight may just put unnatural pressure on his feet that nature did not intend for a guy like him (like the Yao Ming statement above). Nature has a say in all of this and probably knows best. And, after all, Wemby didn't miss any games last season in France.

Let him play (within reason). People seem to forget (after the Kawhi nonsense) that the Spurs "load management" wasn't really so much about injury prevention as rest -- the Spurs wanted their players rested when the games mattered.

[polandprzem]

Yeah, conventional wisdom is a bitch. Colin Cowherd didn't just opine that Greg Oden would be a superstar and Kevin Durant would be a bust -- he went on and on about it.

53QOZZE01jA





Why not just let Wemby play as much as he feels comfortable with. The natural movements of basketball will strengthen the joints and muscles that are most involved in playing basketball, likely more so than weightlifting. If Wemby bulks up his torso, the added weight may just put unnatural pressure on his feet that nature did not intend for a guy like him (like the Yao Ming statement above). Nature has a say in all of this and probably knows best. And, after all, Wemby didn't miss any games last season in France.

Let him play (within reason). People seem to forget (after the Kawhi nonsense) that the Spurs "load management" wasn't really so much about injury prevention as rest -- the Spurs wanted their players rested when the games mattered.

Nope

[rankingtear]

It already states in the article that he is already using weights to gain strength. Nobody reads anymore.

[Extra Stout]

I don’t think strength training necessarily means putting on weight quickly. I’m no expert, but what I remember from the 20th century back when I dabbled in such things is that the way to avoid bulking up was low-weight, high-repetition sets.

[Russ]

Isn't Wembanyama playing a playoff game today.

Is there any way to watch?

[Alain]

Great! We should be thankfull over the insistance of Polandprzem into thinking that Victor shoulf gain weight and lift iron as it is a sure sign that :

- it is definitely the wrong thing to do
- it's not gonna happen

Thank you man, such a relief... Now maybe you should go back watching Strongest man contests with Mariusz Pudzianowski :jack

[polandprzem]

I don’t think strength training necessarily means putting on weight quickly. I’m no expert, but what I remember from the 20th century back when I dabbled in such things is that the way to avoid bulking up was low-weight, high-repetition sets.

It's not.
But additional muscles helps to develop strength. And it not have to be done quickly. Should not if you a pro athlete unless you have good amount of time and ease out on the sports you are playing. Different weight different forces the body has to deal with.
But also bigger body is helpful when you want not to be pushed around under the basket.

[polandprzem]

I don’t think strength training necessarily means putting on weight quickly. I’m no expert, but what I remember from the 20th century back when I dabbled in such things is that the way to avoid bulking up was low-weight, high-repetition sets.
Nope it helps to bulk up. With so called 'non functional' muscles.

[Joseph Kony]

obviously you want to try to bring him along slowly but you dont want to baby the kid. the best way to acclimate to the physicality and style of the NBA is by getting reps in imho.

Wemby should be playing at least 30mpg and 65 games as a rookie

[ChumpDumper]

Isn't Wembanyama playing a playoff game today.

Is there any way to watch?Think it's tomorrow. Had to register but I'm getting a free live stream of Pro B here:

https://www.lnb.tv

Pro A full-game replays are available and upcoming games are listed. We'll see if it shows up.

[Extra Stout]

[QUOTE=polandprzem;10897041]It's not.
But additional muscles helps to develop strength. And it not have to be done quickly. Should not if you a pro athlete unless you have good amount of time and ease out on the sports you are playing. Different weight different forces the body has to deal with.
But also bigger body is helpful when you want not to be pushed around under the basket./QUOTE]

But Wembanyama is not going to live in the low post under the basket. His game is that of a more agile 7’4” Kevin Durant, and his defense is based upon his quickness, lateral movement, and 8-foot wingspan.

So while I think we all agree he needs to get stronger, and I think he’s at the age where that needs to be more of a focus, the end result we’re looking for is not Tim Duncan, much less David Robinson.

[Mr. Body]

Clearly you are not responding to my post.
And assures me you have no idea about training and human body.

Pretty sure Wembanyama knows more about his body than you do, but please call him up and share with him your wisdom.

[Russ]

Think it's tomorrow. Had to register but I'm getting a free live stream of Pro B here:

https://www.lnb.tv

Pro A games are listed. We'll see if it shows up.

Thanks. :toast

[polandprzem]

[QUOTE=polandprzem;10897041]It's not.
But additional muscles helps to develop strength. And it not have to be done quickly. Should not if you a pro athlete unless you have good amount of time and ease out on the sports you are playing. Different weight different forces the body has to deal with.
But also bigger body is helpful when you want not to be pushed around under the basket./QUOTE]

But Wembanyama is not going to live in the low post under the basket. His game is that of a more agile 7’4” Kevin Durant, and his defense is based upon his quickness, lateral movement, and 8-foot wingspan.

So while I think we all agree he needs to get stronger, and I think he’s at the age where that needs to be more of a focus, the end result we’re looking for is not Tim Duncan, much less David Robinson.
Of course but as of right now he is being pushed around in the French league...
Also he is not great shooter tbh.

Defense demands being strong inside when you are 7'5". He is pretty weak now and getting stronger is a long process alone. Being basketall player you not gonna gain much strength or became bigger in the season. So every bball player have summer to do it.
I shoot for 20pds more on this frame b4 his 2nd year and IMO it is beneficial. There are tons of way to do it. But you can't do that lifting basketball.

And that additional weight will not disturb him being agile. It just must be done right.

[polandprzem]

Pretty sure Wembanyama knows more about his body than you do, but please call him up and share with him your wisdom.
You was posting on his behalf ?

[polandprzem]

And pretty sure I know more about training then Wembanyma

[thiste]

And pretty sure I know more about training then Wembanyma

He's had a full team of professionals surrounding him since he was 15.

[ace3g]

Isn't Wembanyama playing a playoff game today.

Is there any way to watch?


Think it's tomorrow. Had to register but I'm getting a free live stream of Pro B here:

https://www.lnb.tv

Pro A full-game replays are available and upcoming games are listed. We'll see if it shows up.


Thanks. :toast

Looks like we will be able to watch the games through the NBA app.

This season, all Boulogne-Levallois Metropolitans 92 games – featuring French star and top 2023 NBA Draft prospect Victor Wembanyama – will be available for free on the new NBA App throughout the 2022-23 LNB Betclic ELITE regular season and playoffs. The live streams will debut on Saturday, Oct. 29, when the Metropolitans 92 play JL Bourg Basket at 2 p.m. ET.

[BackHome]

obviously you want to try to bring him along slowly but you dont want to baby the kid. the best way to acclimate to the physicality and style of the NBA is by getting reps in imho.

Wemby should be playing at least 30mpg and 65 games as a rookie

No way in Hell Pop does that I can assure you that every bruise, muscle tweak, he will be pulled out and probably miss a few games. And for once I 100% will agree with Pop - there is no reason to rush the kid and YES he is different then any draft pick we have had as most if not all the experts have said he is a generational talent and every one knows Unicorns are treated very different

[polandprzem]

He's had a full team of professionals surrounding him since he was 15.

That means he has their knowledge?

[polandprzem]

No way in Hell Pop does that I can assure you that every bruise, muscle tweak, he will be pulled out and probably miss a few games. And for once I 100% will agree with Pop - there is no reason to rush the kid and YES he is different then any draft pick we have had as most if not all the experts have said he is a generational talent and every one knows Unicorns are treated very different
Yea they did it with all players this past season. Sochan could play but they rather him to sit the games and work on his body.

[tonight...you]

That means he has their knowledge?
Well, yeah. They've been there giving it his nearly every waking moment.
Whether he knows, or not doesn't matter.
They know and they're there.

[JPB]

I believe Poland is shadow auditioning for Wemby's training coach job... They know what they're doing, consulting the best specialists... Wemby knows his body and is certainly learning too since he's the one putting into practice that training.

[polandprzem]

Well, yeah. They've been there giving it his nearly every waking moment.
Whether he knows, or not doesn't matter.
They know and they're there.
So? Why you upset?

[polandprzem]

I believe Poland is shadow auditioning for Wemby's training coach job... They know what they're doing, consulting the best specialists... Wemby knows his body and is certainly learning too since he's the one putting into practice that training.
Yea well
Fact is every athlete wants more strength, power, agility, mobility, speed and adequate weight for their frame.
If what they showed he is doing then he is in troubles. I would like to see real regiment and what he is doing other then that I just said what needs to be done by facts and development o a pro athlete.

[Mr. Body]

Yea well
Fact is every athlete wants more strength, power, agility, mobility, speed and adequate weight for their frame.
If what they showed he is doing then he is in troubles. I would like to see real regiment and what he is doing other then that I just said what needs to be done by facts and development o a pro athlete.

The thing is, you're doing the meathead MMA-fan thing of thinking 'gains' is the goal. That's not the type of body Wembanyama has. There's an excellent article floating around about what Victor does before every practice and game, the personal trainer he has and who will probably come over with him, and the other top coaches he's met with who have worked with high-level seven footers. What's clear is that weight gain is not a goal of his whatsoever. They see it as a detriment to his long-term viability.

[scott]

Hopefully all this amazing internet wisdom is being collected so that timvp can deliver it to the Spurs and they don't fuck it up...

But in the meantime, serious question: is this dude done growing? Is there a chance he grows into some weird 8-foot tall spider human that can't function (I'm exaggerating, but you get my point). Just curious.

[exstatic]

Hopefully all this amazing internet wisdom is being collected so that timvp can deliver it to the Spurs and they don't fuck it up...

But in the meantime, serious question: is this dude done growing? Is there a chance he grows into some weird 8-foot tall spider human that can't function (I'm exaggerating, but you get my point). Just curious.

Manute Bol was 7’7”. I think that’s the outside limits of being able to play pro basketball.

[scott]

Manute Bol was 7’7”. I think that’s the outside limits of being able to play pro basketball.

Yeah, that's my concern (a very remote concern, not one that impacts any strategy at all, more just a curiousity), that he has another growth spurt and is 7'11" and can't play basketball but can pose for all the Guinness Book of World Records photos he wants. He's only 19.

I found one article that claims he was 7'1" at age 14, but then another one that claims he was only 6'5" at 14, and then a third article states he was 6'10" when he was 13. It's so weird that the information is so all over the place with this kid, it's not like he's hiding - he's out there in the French league - so it's just bizarre that there isn't clear info.

[polandprzem]

The thing is, you're doing the meathead MMA-fan thing of thinking 'gains' is the goal.

Am I? Interesting.

[polandprzem]

Hopefully all this amazing internet wisdom is being collected so that timvp can deliver it to the Spurs and they don't fuck it up...
that same timvp that said 30pds of muscle gains? :lol

[polandprzem]

Yeah, that's my concern (a very remote concern, not one that impacts any strategy at all, more just a curiousity), that he has another growth spurt and is 7'11" and can't play basketball but can pose for all the Guinness Book of World Records photos he wants. He's only 19.

I found one article that claims he was 7'1" at age 14, but then another one that claims he was only 6'5" at 14, and then a third article states he was 6'10" when he was 13. It's so weird that the information is so all over the place with this kid, it's not like he's hiding - he's out there in the French league - so it's just bizarre that there isn't clear info.

So.many specialists around him. Yet he was not measured properly?

[ChumpDumper]

So.many specialists around him. Yet he was not measured properly?I'm sure he was. Media is media.

[polandprzem]

Looks like he is 220pds. Lets see if he gonna be 240 before 24/25 season

[tonight...you]

So? Why you upset?
I'm upset? All I said was they know him and their knowledge is with him.

[K...]

tbh at 7/4 you don't do weights because the leverage on your joints is too much. longer arms mean more torque. He should do rubber bands and plyometrics and some machine based weights, but yeah keep the free weights away.

[polandprzem]

tbh at 7/4 you don't do weights because the leverage on your joints is too much. longer arms mean more torque. He should do rubber bands and plyometrics and some machine based weights, but yeah keep the free weights away.
You do plyometrics with him and he is done. In order to do playos he needs proper strength.
Season is demanding or joints ligaments and muscles and ppl here do not want him to work to be able get through long NBA season. Nice.

[polandprzem]

I'm upset? All I said was they know him and their knowledge is with him.
Of course

But not that weak ass shit they showed in the article. Cause that's a warm up and granny stuff. Not pro athlete in terms of getting stronger which he needs.
What they showed is important but just a tip o an iceberg.

[Sugus]

You do plyometrics with him and he is done. In order to do playos he needs proper strength.
Season is demanding or joints ligaments and muscles and ppl here do not want him to work to be able get through long NBA season. Nice.

Absolutely nobody here said they "do not want him to work", are you this obtuse on reading comprehension? What was said and upheld, is that working out your body =/= heavy weightlifting, and that Wemby's bodytype is much better suited for a different type of workout program than a Scoot type of player.

But of course, when your only tool is a hammer, all you'll see is nails...

[RC_Drunkford]

Wemby works a lot with bands which are better for your joints than lifting heavy weights. There are videos of it out there. Just learn how to use the internet properly

[Russ]

Looks like Wembanyama played more minutes than anyone else on his team in today's(?) playoff win.

https://www.google.com/search?q=metropolitans+92&source=hp&ei=RXJqZP6NFdbBkPIPna-s-Ao&iflsig=AOEireoAAAAAZGqAVS1Pc7YLpOQwYvfLR3FSWySEsPn-&oq=metropolitans+92&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADILCC4QgwEQsQMQgAQyCwgAEIA EELEDEIMBMgQIABADMgQIABADMgsIABCABBCxAxCDATIECAAQA zILCAAQgAQQsQMQgwEyBQgAEIAEMgQIABADMgUIABCABDoOCC4 QgAQQsQMQxwEQ0QM6DggAEIAEELEDEIMBEMkDOggIABCKBRCSA zoICC4QgAQQsQM6CAgAEIAEELEDOgsILhCABBDHARCvAToLCAA QigUQsQMQgwE6BQguEIAEUABYqSRg5k1oAHAAeAGAAe4JiAGGK ZIBBzUtMS40LjGYAQCgAQE&sclient=gws-wiz#sie=m;/g/11v022x37g;3;/m/05ys_0;tb1;fp;1;;;

[Mnky]

You do plyometrics with him and he is done. In order to do playos he needs proper strength.
Season is demanding or joints ligaments and muscles and ppl here do not want him to work to be able get through long NBA season. Nice.

Literally the opposite of every professional opinion. You train movement for what you do in the game. Weights is not something you do in the games. Wembenyama has one of the best training programs who have worked with players with long careers such as Dirk and swear against heavy weight regiments.

[kace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zs-f-DsLxQ

hey, here's a french media video, with english dubbing available in the audio track settings , explaining easily the basics of biomechanics for big basketball players, like Victor.

nothing new probably for some people but still an interesting popularization video on this topic...

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

I was all about scoffing poland's take but he sniped some misinformation here pretty quickly tbh

[benefactor]

And pretty sure I know more about training then Wembanyma
https://media.tenor.com/FUItMRhUz3sAAAAd/chapelle-charlie-murphy.gif

[benefactor]

The side advantage we get from this is it will bring out the best in ST. A side we haven't seen since the glory days. Thank you Wemby for bringing the shine back to our "well informed" community.

[couchman]

I think a lot of Spurs fans will be looking at Wemby with fresh eyes now and coming to three obvious conclusions:
- He is outrageously talented
- He is so raw, omgosh so raw, even more raw than they thought
- He is so talented that he will probably still help the team a lot, despite being raw

As you watch those factors, just think about how amazing he will be when the raw elements get cooked, he stays healthy, and he gains some strength on that frame.

Bonus observation that may be new to many posters here who haven't really watched Wemby closely: He is not a traditional big at all. He's not even a low block player. He plays offense like a SF right now. I keep reading a lot of takes about him playing in the block and that's just not going to happen for a while.

[tonight...you]

I think a lot of Spurs fans will be looking at Wemby with fresh eyes now and coming to three obvious conclusions:
- He is outrageously talented
- He is so raw, omgosh so raw, even more raw than they thought
- He is so talented that he will probably still help the team a lot, despite being raw

As you watch those factors, just think about how amazing he will be when the raw elements get cooked, he stays healthy, and he gains some strength on that frame.

Bonus observation that may be new to many posters here who haven't really watched Wemby closely: He is not a traditional big at all. He's not even a low block player. He plays offense like a SF right now. I keep reading a lot of takes about him playing in the block and that's just not going to happen for a while.
Good stuff.
When you say "raw", could you give some details on said rawness? Just trying to get a better feel from some of you guys and what you're seeing and not seeing.

[Pauleta14]

The side advantage we get from this is it will bring out the best in ST. A side we haven't seen since the glory days. Thank you Wemby for bringing the shine back to our "well informed" community.

:lol

Man, I missed ST

[couchman]

Good stuff.
When you say "raw", could you give some details on said rawness? Just trying to get a better feel from some of you guys and what you're seeing and not seeing.

It's mostly around decision making but also he is still learning what his go-to moves will be. His shot looks great but his 3 point percentage is not great yet.
He averages more turnovers than assists and he always has.
We see glimpses of him becoming a nice passer eventually but it's not there yet.
The shooting stroke looks really good but he is streaky from 3, partly because he tries some tough ones.
The FT shooting numbers and the way the shooting stroke look indicate he should be doing better than 28% from 3.
I'm honestly thrilled that he decided to work on this part of his game and start putting up five 3s a game but remains a work-in-progress.

[tonight...you]

It's mostly around decision making but also he is still learning what his go-to moves will be. His shot looks great but his 3 point percentage is not great yet.
He averages more turnovers than assists and he always has.
We see glimpses of him becoming a nice passer eventually but it's not there yet.
The shooting stroke looks really good but he is streaky from 3, partly because he tries some tough ones.
The FT shooting numbers and the way the shooting stroke look indicate he should be doing better than 28% from 3.
I'm honestly thrilled that he decided to work on this part of his game and start putting up five 3s a game but remains a work-in-progress.
Thank you. Very much appreciated.

[polandprzem]

Literally the opposite of every professional opinion. You train movement for what you do in the game. Weights is not something you do in the games. Wembenyama has one of the best training programs who have worked with players with long careers such as Dirk and swear against heavy weight regiments.
Nope

Development of human body or an athlete body is not like that. Movement in a game you do while practicing basketball.
What you want is to develop motor skills of a player to recruit muscle type fibers you want.
Of season is the time to get stronger and you are not gonna do it through bands.

All in all I see nobody here actually knows anything about training but that's fine. I am not gonna educate ppl here much.
To me it makes no sense as I do not see here even a base knowledge...

[Mnky]

Nope

Development of human body or an athlete body is not like that. Movement in a game you do while practicing basketball.
What you want is to develop motor skills of a player to recruit muscle type fibers you want.
Of season is the time to get stronger and you are not gonna do it through bands.

All in all I see nobody here actually knows anything about training but that's fine. I am not gonna educate ppl here much.
To me it makes no sense as I do not see here even a base knowledge...

Motor skills are movement used in a game.

You literally said, "Nope, what you want to do is what you said to do."

Resistance band training absolutely increases strength and it is the safer strength building for active athletes over constant weights to bulk up as you suggest.

Your comments sound like an anytime fitness trainer with the 60 hour online cert or something.

[intlspurshk]

He should be in load management program so that Spurs can still be in lottery for one more year

[polandprzem]

Motor skills are movement used in a game.

You literally said, "Nope, what you want to do is what you said to do."

Resistance band training absolutely increases strength and it is the safer strength building for active athletes over constant weights to bulk up as you suggest.

Your comments sound like an anytime fitness trainer with the 60 hour online cert or something.
Get some knowledge dude, then speak

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The team that started load management is not going to make him guard the Embiids and Davises any more than they are going to try to force feed him to 260 lbs. He's a professional athlete who will continue strength training nonetheless.

This whole convo is stupid and the place just seems full of Polish people taking idiotically contrarian positions.

[Pauleta14]

The team that started load management is not going to make him guard the Embiids and Davises any more than they are going to try to force feed him to 260 lbs. He's a professional athlete who will continue strength training nonetheless.

This whole convo is stupid and the place just seems full of Polish people taking idiotically contrarian positions.

I agree.
Especially considering his entourage has already been clear about it. It's not negociable, he won't bulk.

[Davidicus]

Watching Vic, he's like bamboo. Yes he's currently limited in strength, but he just reaches over people like a giant tree to make up for it :D

Grow his strength slowly, the right way, and dont piss off his people. His length overcompensates in the meantime.

[spurraider21]

i know the french league is different, but at least in the playoffs, he's been playing basically every other day and comfortably 30+ minutes each game (5/21, 5/23, 5/25, 5/28, 5/30). he's played over 34 minutes each of the last 4 games even in that condensed schedule.

he wont be averaging 40mpg like duncan did early in his career or anything like that, but i dont think he's going to be bubble wrapped unless he actually gets banged up. they probably will be cautious when it comes to recovery timelines, but as long as he's healthy, i dont expect random benchings or specific minute restrictions

even when the spurs were riding dejounte like a workhorse in his last season here while nearly averaging a triple double, he averaged less than 35mpg

[SpursFan86]

i know the french league is different, but at least in the playoffs, he's been playing basically every other day and comfortably 30+ minutes each game (5/21, 5/23, 5/25, 5/28, 5/30). he's played over 34 minutes each of the last 4 games even in that condensed schedule.

he wont be averaging 40mpg like duncan did early in his career or anything like that, but i dont think he's going to be bubble wrapped unless he actually gets banged up. they probably will be cautious when it comes to recovery timelines, but as long as he's healthy, i dont expect random benchings or specific minute restrictions

even when the spurs were riding dejounte like a workhorse in his last season here while nearly averaging a triple double, he averaged less than 35mpg

Re: the Duncan comment…honestly that’s more a sign of the current times more than anything else. Pascal Siakam led the league in mpg at 37.4 this season. There were only 10 guys in the league who averaged 36 mpg. Guys just don’t really play 40 mpg (or close to it) in the regular season these days.

Regardless I agree with the expectations. I think something in the 28-32 mpg range is pretty reasonable assuming he doesn’t start to get banged up or anything. Will be a little disappointed if they’re ultra-conservative and play him something like 20 mpg but ultimately trust their judgment.

[Sugus]

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He clearly needs a few lessons from polandprzem's master training course, tbh :lmao

[drpill]

Looks like we are getting a clearer picture of the plan for Wembanyama, and it does not include an abnormal amount of rest. I'm sure player and staff will evaluate as the season goes on but hearing that he plans to play as many games as possible is exciting. The new elite performance centre is going to be the perfect element to bring the best out of Victor and his body. I'm increasingly confident that all the pieces are in place for this guy to be everything we are hoping he will be.

[John B]

Well we can throw liad management away. This kid wants to hit the ground running. I’m not sure if he has talked with Pop, because I doubt that’s what Pop had in mind. He wants to slowly build this kid to NBA strong. The future of the franchise is on this kid’s shoulders to risk any injuries.

[polandprzem]

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He clearly needs a few lessons from polandprzem (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=216)'s master training course, tbh :lmao

I guess so.
Lets's put him on scales a yea from now and we will see who's gonna laugh then.

[polandprzem]

That is so wrong on many levels tbh. You jyst like timvp has no idea how ut works with body development.

Tbqh he is weak inside as I took a look. So it us critical fir him to get stronger. If those exercises they showed are the only one he trains. With all flexability stretch work. They need to find anither coach.
I think in NBA they do know better.

Anyway you di nit separate prigrans to natural and unnatural. They are designed.
In NBA you do have good enhancements but then if your image is pumpin iron kinda sessions... Nope.

To develop strength you do not need juge muscles but they come in handy. And to build muscles it is hard to do when you are basketball player. He would have to go 2 years without basketball to gain muscles and then strength to be satisfying for the nba level as I can see.

Its a shame that at 19 he was not introduced to weights.

Things he needs most are mobility work hypertrophy work then strength going to power abd then speed.

Not also he lacks strength but his knees are bad. Foot butt and legs a must.

20pds by his second season is a must imo. And not much more.


Damn I was so right.

All those duchebags in this thread can kiss their ass :)

[Sugus]

Damn I was so right.

All those duchebags in this thread can kiss their ass :)

So right about what? The lanky as fuck, 7feet, 19-20yo athlete putting on some weight throughout his first NBA season and off-season? :lol

You do remember coming into the thread bashing Wemby's strength/training regime and saying it wouldn't be enough, and he needed to be Liftin' Weights like a gymrat, or else..... And now Wemby has put on the same amount of muscle that you wanted him to, without any noted changes to his training regime.... right??


For a 19yro dude not lifting weights as a sporstman is a crime. He can do flexability work as much as he wants but the body will not take much if not strong.

Wemby also managed a full season + Olympics without major injuries, something he supposedly shouldn't have been able to overcome without significant Liftin'.

What's with Spurstalk and "I-was-right" posters completely forgetting the points they were trying to make in the first place? It's beyond pathetic goalpost-moving, this is some goalpost rewriting shit :lol

[polandprzem]

Can U be more pathetic then that?


Gymrat hahahaha- how many more lies you can put in your lousy post?



Of course I was right and I said I will be back with it to throw it on dummies :)

[polandprzem]

I guess so.
Lets's put him on scales a yea from now and we will see who's gonna laugh then.

[polandprzem]

Wembanyama tallied those before toiling for months this summer refining his body, packing 25 pounds of muscle onto his physique.


That's Wembanyama's own personal conundrum, too, finding ways to coax the most from his body and skill set. The second-year man gained strength over the summer to prevent opponents from easily pushing him off his spots.
As a by-product, Wembanyama added an additional 25 pounds from his listed rookie weight of 210 pounds.
That has helped Wembanyama to improve accuracy through contact.


I do like those quotesfrom ESPN. Esp. when it is exactly what I was saying a year ago about him making that progress this year :D

[polandprzem]

After not many minutes Wemby played this preseason you still could see his progress in strength development. He is not pushed around by point guards like he was a year ago.

This is 100% what I posted last year in response what Wemby should do and how they gonna achieve it. That is a nice progression considering he had Olympics. If not for that he would be even better. But no hurry tbh.

Let's see how much they will up his minutes cause last year he was too weak placing 79 in the league - this year he might play additional 5 minutes which would be huge.


He looked good but still IMO he will be going slowly into season as he probably needs to shake that pounding off him.

[Pauleta14]

Vic hasn't gained as much weight as we thought and as was repported. He laught at the official numbers the journalist told him

It's the french questions at the end of the video, I'm not good at converting the kg/Lbs but he said that there was a 1%-5% max evolution per season.

He probably gained 10 pounds max

Sorry polandprzem ;)


https://youtu.be/WWNwrREoXSs?si=-EFjCi0qUxhNLViQ

[R. DeMurre]

Wembanyama tallied those before toiling for months this summer refining his body, packing 25 pounds of muscle onto his physique.


That's Wembanyama's own personal conundrum, too, finding ways to coax the most from his body and skill set. The second-year man gained strength over the summer to prevent opponents from easily pushing him off his spots.
As a by-product, Wembanyama added an additional 25 pounds from his listed rookie weight of 210 pounds.
That has helped Wembanyama to improve accuracy through contact.


I do like those quotesfrom ESPN. Esp. when it is exactly what I was saying a year ago about him making that progress this year :D

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1g94dgf/wembanyama_denies_rumors_about_him_gaining_25lbs/

Victor himself has said the stories of him adding 25lbs are fake news.

[Limguogolo]

Victor does not need to become Mr. Universe, the universe speaks to him. That's enough to rule the planet.

[Sugus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1g94dgf/wembanyama_denies_rumors_about_him_gaining_25lbs/

Victor himself has said the stories of him adding 25lbs are fake news.

Beat me to it! And thanks for the source :)


Q: Just on the subject of your weight/muscle gains, you spoke I think of 10-11kg (22-25lbs) in 12 months...

Wemby: No, no, no. Not at all. That's a fake news. 10 kg (22lbs) in 12 months, that's impossible without getting injured. What was my weight when arriving in the NBA exactly?

Q: Your precise weight is 106kg (~235lbs) [now], and -11kg (i.e. 95kg or ~210lbs) [when arriving in the NBA].

Wemby: When I arrived in the NBA? Impossible. The 95kgs (210lbs), I weighted that at ASVEL (2021-22). The highest weight I had at ASVEL must have been 94kg (207lbs). [We try to aim] between 1 and 5% per 12 months.

:lmao Wemby personally dunking all over Poland's wet dreams.


Q: How do you work [on your weight training] in a way that doesn't negatively impact your mobility, playstyle, or shooting?

Wemby: So you kinda already have the answer, but I don't struggle to gain weight. During the summer with time to work, it's possible that I gain too much weight. So it's a lot of physical training, but here, it's not at all our style to work with exercises that simply put weight on the body without also working on mobility. It's rather simply developing in an organic/natural way.

It's actually noteworthy just how much he stressed his disdain for traditional "bulking ups". And quite aligned with modern medicine and sports science understanding. They clearly have every idea of where they want to be, and how to get Wemby there safely.


After not many minutes Wemby played this preseason you still could see his progress in strength development. He is not pushed around by point guards like he was a year ago.

It's actually beautiful that you said this, tbh, because I do agree with you on it. He's gotten noticeably stronger. The fact that you can clearly see that he got there, by going the exact opposite way that you suggested, is honestly poetic.

[BackHome]

Sports Science has come a long way I would be curious to see how Robinson training back in the day was instructed as he did gain muscle but it was mainly on shoulders and arms. He did have some insane core strength able to walk on his hands the length of the court I always wonder if he messed up his back lifting heavy weights when he was younger.

[exstatic]

Sports Science has come a long way I would be curious to see how Robinson training back in the day was instructed as he did gain muscle but it was mainly on shoulders and arms. He did have some insane core strength able to walk on his hands the length of the court I always wonder if he messed up his back lifting heavy weights when he was younger.

He had NO core strength. That was the genesis of his back problems. They asked him to tilt on one leg, lean down, and pick a paper cup off the floor, and he couldn’t do it. That damn wasp waist did him in.

The walking on his hands thing was all upper body strength and balance.

[polandprzem]

I love how Wemby do not know how much he weighted last year :lmao

He says it's impossible to gain 25lbs but he just do not know how much was it last year when they listed him 210lbs.



Also again some here lack elementary physiology of a human being but fine with me. :D

[polandprzem]

So right about what? The lanky as fuck, 7feet, 19-20yo athlete putting on some weight throughout his first NBA season and off-season? :lol

Two personalities ? Some psycho illness?

[Ice009]

I don't know who is right or wrong in this situation. I am guessing Victor and his team think that adding too much weight might affect his flexibility and maybe slow him down. I can't say that I disagree. Maybe it is the right approach, I'm not sure. I honestly don't know what is right on wrong in this situation. Guys like Kareem seem to have had a long career by not adding too much bulk. Not sure how much Kareem weighed as a rookie and then later on in his career.
I'm more of a guy that believes in lifting for strength and not too worried about adding mass and bulk. Having said that, I've never played against anyone of the calibre of NBA athletes to know how much of a difference added weight would make.

[Pauleta14]

I don't know who is right or wrong in this situation. I am guessing Victor and his team think that adding too much weight might affect his flexibility and maybe slow him down. I can't say that I disagree. Maybe it is the right approach, I'm not sure. I honestly don't know what is right on wrong in this situation. Guys like Kareem seem to have had a long career by not adding too much bulk. Not sure how much Kareem weighed as a rookie and then later on in his career.
I'm more of a guy that believes in lifting for strength and not too worried about adding mass and bulk. Having said that, I've never played against anyone of the calibre of NBA athletes to know how much of a difference added weight would make.

He's more concerned about the potential injuries that often come with a sudden gain of weight than the impact on his game per say

[Ice009]

He's more concerned about the potential injuries that often come with a sudden gain of weight than the impact on his game per say

Yeah right, well, that makes sense. Again, I don't know if that will help or not. I just don't know. I don't disagree what he and his team are saying, and or thinking. It's a very legitimate take on it.

Gaining too much weight too quickly could leave him susceptible to injuries, and also not gaining extra weight bulk might too. Freaking tough to answer, but due to his height, fluidity, and all that, I think I lean towards their approach could be the right way to go.
If it was up to me, I think I'd just prefer he work on getting stronger without adding much weight.

As an example, I haven't followed Giannis closely these past few years, but he seems to be getting more injuries and playing less games per season than he used to. Not sure if his added bulk has anything to do with it or not, but without really following what his injuries are, he seems to be less durable these days.

[polandprzem]

Yeah right, well, that makes sense. Again, I don't know if that will help or not. I just don't know. I don't disagree what he and his team are saying, and or thinking. It's a very legitimate take on it.

Gaining too much weight too quickly could leave him susceptible to injuries, and also not gaining extra weight bulk might too. Freaking tough to answer, but due to his height, fluidity, and all that, I think I lean towards their approach could be the right way to go.
If it was up to me, I think I'd just prefer he work on getting stronger without adding much weight.

As an example, I haven't followed Giannis closely these past few years, but he seems to be getting more injuries and playing less games per season than he used to. Not sure if his added bulk has anything to do with it or not, but without really following what his injuries are, he seems to be less durable these days.

Gaining 20pds in a year for a anatomy and age like Wemby has is not something that you can say 'too much' .
He was way too weak last year and if you want to add serious strength you will add that additional weight which also helps move into positions on court you want.

But I wrote it before and there is no way around it.

[Sugus]

Two personalities ? Some psycho illness?

:lol what the fuck are you saying? Wemby literally did gain weight through the season. It's not the outlandish number initially reported, and that you loved, but it's of course still gaining weight. Again, as a lanky as fuck, 7feet, 19-20yo athlete usually does.

Do you seriously conclude other people are deranged before taking a look at your reading comprehension?

[polandprzem]

:lol what the fuck are you saying? Wemby literally did gain weight through the season. It's not the outlandish number initially reported, and that you loved, but it's of course still gaining weight. Again, as a lanky as fuck, 7feet, 19-20yo athlete usually does.

Do you seriously conclude other people are deranged before taking a look at your reading comprehension?

Make up your mind. One of you I mean. He had to gain weight or get slimmer?

You seem to not know which one of you posts.

[polandprzem]

:lol what the fuck are you saying? Wemby literally did gain weight through the season. It's not the outlandish number initially reported, and that you loved, but it's of course still gaining weight. Again, as a lanky as fuck, 7feet, 19-20yo athlete usually does.

Do you seriously conclude other people are deranged before taking a look at your reading comprehension?
How much?
Where is it set official?

[polandprzem]

:lol what the fuck are you saying? Wemby literally did gain weight through the season. It's not the outlandish number initially reported, and that you loved, but it's of course still gaining weight. Again, as a lanky as fuck, 7feet, 19-20yo athlete usually does.

Do you seriously conclude other people are deranged before taking a look at your reading comprehension?
Ohh really?

[polandprzem]

:lol what the fuck are you saying? Wemby literally did gain weight through the season. It's not the outlandish number initially reported, and that you loved, but it's of course still gaining weight. Again, as a lanky as fuck, 7feet, 19-20yo athlete usually does.

Do you seriously conclude other people are deranged before taking a look at your reading comprehension?

At least on that post you do admit I was right.

[Thomas82]

How much?
Where is it set official?

He's listed at 235.

[polandprzem]

He's listed at 235.

Thank you :)

[Sugus]

Make up your mind. One of you I mean. He had to gain weight or get slimmer?

You seem to not know which one of you posts.

Jesus, Pol, you really are the stereotype of a meathead. Just unable to get through to. He didn't "have" to gain weight, he was gonna gain weight, because he's a twig of a 20yo big man coming into the NBA. If you can quote me saying he would lose weight , I'll readily admit to a personality disorder. Until then, the fact that you're fucking dense is the much simpler explanation.


How much?
Where is it set official?

Since you'll never believe it from my mouth, here it is from the Alien himself; (https://www.essentiallysports.com/nba-active-basketball-news-alleged-ten-kgs-heavier-victor-wembanyama-ends-concerns-over-his-fitness-regime-thats-wrong/)


However, Wemby revealed in a recent interview that he has already added more pounds since he entered the league which could solve the issue, “10 kilos? No. Maybe about four to five kilos.” And once he gains enough muscle, Wemby might have no holes left in his game.


Ohh really?

Yes, really. Not 20 pounds like you believed, more like 10 or less. And again -- without any emphasis on heavy lifting training, which you clamored for; he instead went the opposite way and found great success. Do you remember saying that, arguing in favor of that? Or has the meat taken over the brain completely in that head of yours?


At least on that post you do admit I was right.

You don't even know what the fuck you're arguing for :lmao

I don't know why I bother. Oh wait, I do, bullshit must be challenged, even in today's Internet. If you need me to break it down even more, lemme know :tu

[Sugus]

Yea well 30 pds of muscle .... okay


Tbh he should gain more strength in the gym. Those excercises they showed are okay but that abs was weak. bear crawl needs to be done better as the pushups. I think him gaining 20pds first year would be nice

You remember this, Pol, right? Or are you the one with a fuckin' disorder here? Let me know also, beating up the disabled is terrible taste.


For a 19yro dude not lifting weights as a sporstman is a crime. He can do flexability work as much as he wants but the body will not take much if not strong.

Or this one right here, eh? Remember it? Turns out the body can "take" a whole lot without going the meathead route! Who'd have guessed.....

[Sugus]

You said earlier "If we talk about development there is no better way to gain strength but to lift weights", and I question the notion entirely: since when is "development" akin to muscle-building, and since when is strength-gaining the apex of player development? There might not be a "better way" to get strong than weightlifting, but the whole point of the discussion is that it might not be in Wemby's best long-term interest to bulk up and gain weight* in significant measure.

As lanky as his body may seem, make no mistake, he's quite strong. And I love the exercise routine his entourage has got him on, it's great for his body - and you don't see him lifting weights at all, despite spending literal hours each day working on his body. Just excellent, medicinally advanced programs.

Here's my "other personality" being right as fuck, no hindsight required, applauding Wemby's training regime which has already shown excellent results and turned him into a top-15 NBA player.

Here was your Meathed Optics on the topic, in case you forgot it as well;


If those exercises they showed are the only one he trains. With all flexability stretch work. They need to find anither coach.
I think in NBA they do know better.

He would have to go 2 years without basketball to gain muscles and then strength to be satisfying for the nba level as I can see.

Not also he lacks strength but his knees are bad. Foot butt and legs a must.

20pds by his second season is a must imo. And not much more.

You thought he should've sacked his trainer, and would have to :lmao go 2 years without basketball to gain NBA level strength :lmao

Newsflash: he gained half the weight you suggested... And was going toe-to-toe with Team USA for an Olympic gold medal. NBA strength :lmao

[KenziE]

When is Wemby going to play more than 28mins ? This shii is getting old load management BS !!!

i remember L Aldridge saying the reason they lost to the Thunders in the 2016 playoffs is because they ran out of gas they was not used to playing heavy minutes let along intense ball games . Fickin stupid load manangement !!!

[onechance87]

When is Wemby going to play more than 28mins ? This shii is getting old load management BS !!!

i remember L Aldridge saying the reason they lost to the Thunders in the 2016 playoffs is because they ran out of gas they was not used to playing heavy minutes let along intense ball games . Fickin stupid load manangement !!!

He probably would of played more if we didnt get blown out.It also seemed wemby was not ready to start

[Ice009]

When is Wemby going to play more than 28mins ? This shii is getting old load management BS !!!

i remember L Aldridge saying the reason they lost to the Thunders in the 2016 playoffs is because they ran out of gas they was not used to playing heavy minutes let along intense ball games . Fickin stupid load manangement !!!

Well, this is my philosophy. I don't remember LaMarcus saying that, but if so, I think he was right. Pop's been caught up in this load management bullshit for too long. I'm from the Tim Grover school (maybe not as full on as TG) where he said something similar - How can you expect to be able to perform at a high level in the playoffs when you never learned to play with fatigue and learn to play through it.

Also, Victor is looking weak out there. Everyone is ripping the ball from him. I don't know if he's even strong enough physically to throw lobs to. A few times down low, he should have finished strong, but got the ball taken away from him. He's gotta at least add more strength and go for the 5% number if it's between 1-5% max increase in weight he wants between seasons, he needs to aim for the 5% every time. 1% ain't going to do much (it's not like he's starting of physically superior to everyone else out there where adding 1% muscle weight is going to put him above anyone).

[Raven]

didn't look like cp3 was an improvement for him over sochan

[Ice009]

He probably would of played more if we didnt get blown out.It also seemed wemby was not ready to start

Yeah, well, the coach not playing players in the preseason doesn't help get them ready. I really think Pop might need someone to talk to him and ask him what he is doing managing minutes of young players. He's acting like these guys are the older versions of Tim Duncan and Manu out there, that they need rest. Problem is, these guys don't have the skill or experience to do that yet, and their game isn't anywhere near those levels to be resting them where they can just come in a rely on their experience they've gained over the years after sitting out games/playing less minutes. It's like he's trying to turn them into never has beens before they even get started (I'm just talking in general, not about tonight's game specifically).

[KenziE]

Well, this is my philosophy. I don't remember LaMarcus saying that, but if so, I think he was right. Pop's been caught up in this load management bullshit for too long. I'm from the Tim Grover school (maybe not as full on as TG) where he said something similar - How can you expect to be able to perform at a high level in the playoffs when you never learned to play with fatigue and learn to play through it.

Also, Victor is looking weak out there. Everyone is ripping the ball from him. I don't know if he's even strong enough physically to throw lobs to. A few times down low, he should have finished strong, but got the ball taken away from him. He's gotta at least add more strength and go for the 5% number if it's between 1-5% max increase in weight he wants between seasons, he needs to aim for the 5% every time. 1% ain't going to do much (it's not like he's starting of physically superior to everyone else out there where adding 1% muscle weight is going to put him above anyone).


Check out all the smoke interview i dont have the exact time stamp but he said that basically they had the manpower and talent but they were not ready when it mattered they was not prepared for the intense playoff minutes because during the regular season they got used with 20-35mins tops a game .

[KenziE]

Yeah, well, the coach not playing players in the preseason doesn't help get them ready. I really think Pop might need someone to talk to him and ask him what he is doing managing minutes of young players. He's acting like these guys are the older versions of Tim Duncan and Manu out there, that they need rest. Problem is, these guys don't have the skill or experience to do that yet, and their game isn't anywhere near those levels to be resting them where they can just come in a rely on their experience they've gained over the years after sitting out games/playing less minutes. It's like he's trying to turn them into never has beens before they even get started (I'm just talking in general, not about tonight's game specifically).
100 percent soembody need to tell Pop the players he have is not as old as him . Fuckin the way its beeing played out gonna be hearing trade demands fron Wemby sooner than later absolute shame not playing him atleast 35mins !!!!

[Ice009]

It's not even great for older players as LaMarcus said as it doesn't help them from fatiguing in the higher intensity playoff games. Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili are super skilled players that could do that. Play less minutes, sit out, and still perform. 95% of players IMO can't do that.

[KenziE]

Yeah, well, the coach not playing players in the preseason doesn't help get them ready. I really think Pop might need someone to talk to him and ask him what he is doing managing minutes of young players. He's acting like these guys are the older versions of Tim Duncan and Manu out there, that they need rest. Problem is, these guys don't have the skill or experience to do that yet, and their game isn't anywhere near those levels to be resting them where they can just come in a rely on their experience they've gained over the years after sitting out games/playing less minutes. It's like he's trying to turn them into never has beens before they even get started (I'm just talking in general, not about tonight's game specifically).


It's not even great for older players as LaMarcus said as it doesn't help them from fatiguing in the higher intensity playoff games. Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili are super skilled players that could do that. Play less minutes, sit out, and still perform. 95% of players IMO can't do that.
You are right not everybody can just turn it ON whenever they need to . Some people need practice and muscle memory . Its getting old POP change your ways !!!

[Ice009]

The thing is, Pop's never played at this level before, so I hate to question him or say this, but how would he know about it if he wasn't a high level athlete himself.

[polandprzem]

You thought he should've sacked his trainer, and would have to :lmao go 2 years without basketball to gain NBA level strength :lmao


Not what I wrote but you can live in your imagine world.


And lol - he did not gained that much of a strength. He did as much as he could but that's not a level you want him to have at the end. Not even close to what I have posted.

[polandprzem]

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He clearly needs a few lessons from polandprzem (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=216)'s master training course, tbh :lmao

Skinny up and gain some weight dude !!!

[polandprzem]

Or this one right here, eh? Remember it? Turns out the body can "take" a whole lot without going the meathead route! Who'd have guessed.....
wtf RU talking about?

Which route? hahahha

[polandprzem]

They did what I said they would- he gained weight and strength.

[polandprzem]

Yes, really. Not 20 pounds like you believed, more like 10 or less. And again -- without any emphasis on heavy lifting training, which you clamored for; he instead went the opposite way and found great success. Do you remember saying that, arguing in favor of that? Or has the meat taken over the brain completely in that head of yours?


You are sayin NBA brough broken scales. So Wemby do not know how much he weighs SO HE ASSUMES the ranges he might be in.

hahaha


I go for facts not rumors.


There is a chance Wilt had 10 000 women. right on.

[polandprzem]

Well, this is my philosophy. I don't remember LaMarcus saying that, but if so, I think he was right. Pop's been caught up in this load management bullshit for too long. I'm from the Tim Grover school (maybe not as full on as TG) where he said something similar - How can you expect to be able to perform at a high level in the playoffs when you never learned to play with fatigue and learn to play through it.

Also, Victor is looking weak out there. Everyone is ripping the ball from him. I don't know if he's even strong enough physically to throw lobs to. A few times down low, he should have finished strong, but got the ball taken away from him. He's gotta at least add more strength and go for the 5% number if it's between 1-5% max increase in weight he wants between seasons, he needs to aim for the 5% every time. 1% ain't going to do much (it's not like he's starting of physically superior to everyone else out there where adding 1% muscle weight is going to put him above anyone).
:)
I am not fan of Tim Grover but he knew his stuff.

Mike Malone said something similar saying this league got soft and nobody wants to run....


In a case of Wemby I still think they threw him into regiment which he must get out off. He is in taper mode so IMO he will get his freshness along this next month. we will see.


I really liked your intake.

[polandprzem]

And Wemby needs to up his minutes if he wants to be considered the best

[exstatic]

When is Wemby going to play more than 28mins ? This shii is getting old load management BS !!!

i remember L Aldridge saying the reason they lost to the Thunders in the 2016 playoffs is because they ran out of gas they was not used to playing heavy minutes let along intense ball games . Fickin stupid load manangement !!!

LMA quit on a workout with Tim, who told him ‘This is what you need to do to play effectively after 35’. Walked off the floor. He’s no expert on load management or endurance. LMA’s last three seasons, he played a total of 126 games, and he was done at 36. If he didn’t have the wind to compete in that OKC series, it was likely his own damn fault.

[polandprzem]

LMA quit on a workout with Tim, who told him ‘This is what you need to do to play effectively after 35’. Walked off the floor. He’s no expert on load management or endurance. LMA’s last three seasons, he played a total of 126 games, and he was done at 36. If he didn’t have the wind to compete in that OKC series, it was likely his own damn fault.

With an injury it is tough to get stamina. So I do not think that's LMA fault 100%.

[Chinook]

I think the Spurs did a massive disservice to Wemby when they failed to bring in a top big-man coach to mentor Wemby. I love Tim, but he doesn't want to be a coach, and the "when I feel like it" schedule doesn't work year. My first choice would have been Tyson Chandler, but he's apparently in Dallas mentoring Lively (and it shows). I don't know if there's any big man who excelled more at the aspects of the game Victor needs to improve the most. Given his chemistry with Paul, I think the two of them could really help break down film with Wemby and show him where he needs to be.

I think Ex brings up an interesting point that Aldridge could make sense. He knows all about the transition from perimeter player (combo-forward) through the positions to become a center. You can hate on LMA all you want, but he learned how to be a complete big on offense by the time he retired, and he could certainly talk about how to get to spots, hold them and use moves to score. It's not a perfect fit, but Aldridge has expressed interest in coaching with the Spurs before.

I'm very curious as to what the Spurs' coaching staff intends to do differently about Victor's development this year. They said last year was going to be for them to sit back and observe. Fine, I don't think that was the worst idea. But this year they should be looking to make some changes to address what they saw. MAYBE the Olympics were just bad timing, but I think a team so dedicated to a single guy should be more proactive than they have been so far. In general for a team that banked on development, I haven't seen much evidence that they've invested in maximizing that area of their staff.

[Ice009]

:)
I am not fan of Tim Grover but he knew his stuff.

Mike Malone said something similar saying this league got soft and nobody wants to run....


In a case of Wemby I still think they threw him into regiment which he must get out off. He is in taper mode so IMO he will get his freshness along this next month. we will see.


I really liked your intake.

Yeah, it's only one game, but from what I saw, I don't agree with Victor's trainer/philosophy. Aiming for a minimum of 1% body weight/muscle increase per offseason isn't going to help him at all. He needs to look at closer to 5% as a minimum while also increasing his strength. He looked like Matt Bonner did that one time getting the ball ripped away from him by Matt Barnes all game.

[Pauleta14]

I think the Spurs did a massive disservice to Wemby when they failed to bring in a top big-man coach to mentor Wemby. I love Tim, but he doesn't want to be a coach, and the "when I feel like it" schedule doesn't work year. My first choice would have been Tyson Chandler, but he's apparently in Dallas mentoring Lively (and it shows). I don't know if there's any big man who excelled more at the aspects of the game Victor needs to improve the most. Given his chemistry with Paul, I think the two of them could really help break down film with Wemby and show him where he needs to be.

I think Ex brings up an interesting point that Aldridge could make sense. He knows all about the transition from perimeter player (combo-forward) through the positions to become a center. You can hate on LMA all you want, but he learned how to be a complete big on offense by the time he retired, and he could certainly talk about how to get to spots, hold them and use moves to score. It's not a perfect fit, but Aldridge has expressed interest in coaching with the Spurs before.

I'm very curious as to what the Spurs' coaching staff intends to do differently about Victor's development this year. They said last year was going to be for them to sit back and observe. Fine, I don't think that was the worst idea. But this year they should be looking to make some changes to address what they saw. MAYBE the Olympics were just bad timing, but I think a team so dedicated to a single guy should be more proactive than they have been so far. In general for a team that banked on development, I haven't seen much evidence that they've invested in maximizing that area of their staff.


I agree, I was thinking about it during the game, Paul will still bring him a lot compared to what he had last season but he needs a big man vet badly.

I think Vic also still needs to be convinced his future is conditioned by his post up game, he doesn't seem to be in a hury to get better in that area and a vet could get to his ear maybe more than Pop.

[Frenchfred]

I don't think that his frame is meant for him to play like a traditional center with post up moves. I don't think that he will gain the weight necessary to be able to do that. He is essentially a taller version of Kevin Durant so he should be able to shoot over everybody and right now his FG% is too low.

[KingKev]

I don't think that his frame is meant for him to play like a traditional center with post up moves. I don't think that he will gain the weight necessary to be able to do that. He is essentially a taller version of Kevin Durant so he should be able to shoot over everybody and right now his FG% is too low.

Yes a KD who can’t shoot. Right now he is Bol Bol with a very long leash. PATFO needs to stop coddling him now that the hype is over.

[Frenchfred]

Yes a KD who can’t shoot. Right now he is Bol Bol with a very long leash. PATFO needs to stop coddling him now that the hype is over.

I agree. He should be working on his jumpshot.

[polandprzem]

Yeah, it's only one game, but from what I saw, I don't agree with Victor's trainer/philosophy. Aiming for a minimum of 1% body weight/muscle increase per offseason isn't going to help him at all. He needs to look at closer to 5% as a minimum while also increasing his strength. He looked like Matt Bonner did that one time getting the ball ripped away from him by Matt Barnes all game.

That was my initial post last year. About his weight and strength. We will see later, after that one game there is not much to say. In preseason I could see him bit stronger, so with Olympics he had to go to - the time to develop was limited.

[polandprzem]

Holmgren on the other side had more time and he is looking much better then last year when it comes to his body, agile wise, strength wise and his gate looks better and seems to be more of a presents inside.

I hope him and Wemby gonna progress cause it might be great competition between them in next few years.

[KenziE]

LMA quit on a workout with Tim, who told him ‘This is what you need to do to play effectively after 35’. Walked off the floor. He’s no expert on load management or endurance. LMA’s last three seasons, he played a total of 126 games, and he was done at 36. If he didn’t have the wind to compete in that OKC series, it was likely his own damn fault.

ok so when will Wemby get to play more than 28 mins ? Dont worry about what happend to LA thats old news . Now when
is Wemby ever gonna play more than 28 mins . Dont tell me you dont want to know what would happen if he does . Load manegement BS

[KenziE]

Holmgren on the other side had more time and he is looking much better then last year when it comes to his body, agile wise, strength wise and his gate looks better and seems to be more of a presents inside.

I hope him and Wemby gonna progress cause it might be great competition between them in next few years.


Oh yeah CH see how many mins he playedi bet you its more than 28 mins which makes him get to a better ryhthm and feel for the NBA game . Wemby gets to play 7mins in the 1st qtr then goes back to the bench . Than play another 7 mins in the 2nd qtr in and out of the lineup what the hell kind of usage is that Fucking idiotic . By the time the 2nd half begins he hast even had a complete sweat at all with all that fucking rest !!!!!

[exstatic]

ok so when will Wemby get to play more than 28 mins ? Dont worry about what happend to LA thats old news . Now when
is Wemby ever gonna play more than 28 mins . Dont tell me you dont want to know what would happen of he does . Load manegement BS

Go look at Kristaps Porzingas early career, and what happened when his minutes were increased. They played an almost identical number of games and minutes as rookies. Just increasing KPs minutes to 32 caused him to spiral into a health crisis where he never played 70 games again.

He’s the closest analog to Wemby that has existed.

[KingKev]

Trae Young and Melo Ball are playing Wemby type ball tonight; two skilled competitors going at it in a meaningless game. Bad three point shot attempts and turnover city. Difference is Wemby is a 7’4 generational talent coached by the legendary Coach Pop.

Sniffers pls Sniff.

[KenziE]

Go look at Kristaps Porzingas early career, and what happened when his minutes were increased. They played an almost identical number of games and minutes as rookies. Just increasing KPs minutes to 32 caused him to spiral into a health crisis where he never played 70 games again.

He’s the closest analog to Wemby that has existed.

what does Wemby playing more mins have to do woth KP ? Dude stop making excuses for Pop . KP is nowhere near Wembys potential . Was KP ever in the
convo of being DPOTY in his rookie season ? Wemby was with limited mins . Why you worrying about what happend to other players dude . We need to see Wemby play more than 28 mins and so he can help the spurs win games . Not saving him for a KP type career . INJURIES is PART of SPORTS !!!! Its like saying im
not going to the store i might get into a car accident DUMB thinking

[KenziE]

Trae Young and Melo Ball are playing Wemby type ball tonight; two skilled competitors going at it in a meaningless game. Bad three point shot attempts and turnover city. Difference is Wemby is a 7’4 generational talent coached by the legendary Coach Pop.

Sniffers pls Sniff.

Generational MAYBE If he gets to play more than 28mins . I love Pop but Wemby needs more playing time

[exstatic]

what does Wemby playing more mins have to do woth KP ? Dude stop making excuses for Pop . KP is nowhere near Wembys potential . Was KP ever in the
convo of being DPOTY in his rookie season ? Wemby was with limited mins . Why you worrying about what happend to other players dude . We need to see Wemby play more than 28 mins and so he can help the spurs win games . Not saving him for a KP type career . INJURIES is PART of SPORTS !!!! Its like saying im
not going to the store i might get into a car accident DUMB thinking

Are you really this stupid? They’re near perfect physical matches. What happened to KP could easily happen to Wemby. And yes, KP had plenty of potential, and was selected as an AS in year 3. There’s a reason his nickname was PorzinGod.

[KenziE]

Are you really this stupid? They’re near perfect physical matches. What happened to KP could easily happen to Wemby. And yes, KP had plenty of potential, and was selected as an AS in year 3. There’s a reason his nickname was PorzinGod.

ok you called me stupid because i want to see Wemby play more minutes ok .

i hope you have fun waiting for Wemby to develop in 10 yrs . Maybe Chet Holmgrem have 2 rings by then . Good Luck with that mr Genius

[KenziE]

Are you really this stupid? They’re near perfect physical matches. What happened to KP could easily happen to Wemby. And yes, KP had plenty of potential, and was selected as an AS in year 3. There’s a reason his nickname was PorzinGod.

in other news Paolo Banchero played 37mins in a win over the nets the former #1 pick helping his team win games what a luxury for magic fans

[Strategic]

Looking forward to when Vic develops a step back shot.

[exstatic]

ok you called me stupid because i want to see Wemby play more minutes ok .

i hope you have fun waiting for Wemby to develop in 10 yrs . Maybe Chet Holmgrem have 2 rings by then . Good Luck with that mr Genius

No, I called you stupid because you didn’t see the near identical physical type of Wemby and KP.

No one is going to want to hear this,but maybe you get Wemby for 70-72 games, 28-30 minutes, and that’s all. If you exceed that, he goes down the KP injury black hole.

[exstatic]

in other news Paolo Banchero played 37mins in a win over the nets the former #1 pick helping his team win games what a luxury for magic fans

Paulo Banchero isn’t 7’3”-7’4” with a slight build. Pull your head out of your ass.

[KenziE]

No, I called you stupid because you didn’t see the near identical physical type of Wemby and KP.

No one is going to want to hear this,but maybe you get Wemby for 70-72 games, 28-30 minutes, and that’s all. If you exceed that, he goes down the KP injury black hole.

why would you assume he gets injured if play more mins ? Aside from your opinion that he's built the same way as KP . I mean you can't just be assuming that all 7 footers with the same built are gonna get injured the same way . They have diffrent trainers and mindset . When Wemby said in an interview that he noticed that some NBA stars doesnt have the discipline and drive to be great is his way of saying that " so of the dudes i look up to are lazy with their game prep " to me thats why he is above and way better than other 7footers with the same body structure because he put the work in and its not lazy about it .

i ask you this would you like to see Wemby get 28-30 playing for the spurs and never reach his full
potential or he requests for a trade then gets to playing more than 28mins and absolutey dominate and own thw league .

[KenziE]

Paulo Banchero isn’t 7’3”-7’4” with a slight build. Pull your head out of your ass.
Hahaha ok i get you think Wemby is made of glass �� yeah all 7 footers are made of glass ����

all 7 footers are not allowed to play more than 28mins because they gonna break ok . Wilt Chamberlain is rolling over his grave

[skin27]

Wemby should play atleast 35 minutes a game! He’s young! Even a 40 year old lebron is playing 34 minutes a game.lmao

[skin27]

No, I called you stupid because you didn’t see the near identical physical type of Wemby and KP.

No one is going to want to hear this,but maybe you get Wemby for 70-72 games, 28-30 minutes, and that’s all. If you exceed that, he goes down the KP injury black hole.

thats BS! Wemby will not win a single MVP playing 28-30 minutes a game lmao

[KenziE]

Wemby should play atleast 35 minutes a game! He’s young! Even a 40 year old lebron is playing 34 minutes a game.lmao


AMEN !!!!!! Thank you finally somebody who watches the games .

[KenziE]

thats BS! Wemby will not win a single MVP playing 28-30 minutes a game lmao


Thats whats up !!!!! He thinks Wemby is KP talent and content watching him 20 mins 28 mins tops a game lol .

[itzsoweezee]

Yes a KD who can’t shoot. Right now he is Bol Bol with a very long leash. PATFO needs to stop coddling him now that the hype is over.

The sheer idiocy. Well done!

[spursparker9]

Wemby is fast but that is only for his size. Comparing him to KD, Wemby is slow and his handling is not tight as KD.

Wemby need to stop being a perimeter player tbh

[tim_duncan_fan]

Wemby is fast but that is only for his size. Comparing him to KD, Wemby is slow and his handling is not tight as KD.

Wemby need to stop being a perimeter player tbh

Yep, the sooner he gets over this, the better. He's not efficient or smooth trying to do the KD thing.

He obviously isn't a bump-them-out-of-the-way like Shaq type of body, but that doesn't mean ge should run away from the post constantly.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Once his shots start falling you will all sing a different tune.
You cannot pigeonhole a talent of his calibre into preconceived notions of what a big man should be.
I do agree he needs to develop a post game, but he actually showed some of that last night, particularly with that field goal vs. Lively.
Imagine him with a competent post game AND with dependable perimeter scoring.
Boy would that be a handful.
But first, you have to be patient.

[KenziE]

What he needs is playing time thats the bottomline

[Pauleta14]

Go look at Kristaps Porzingas early career, and what happened when his minutes were increased. They played an almost identical number of games and minutes as rookies. Just increasing KPs minutes to 32 caused him to spiral into a health crisis where he never played 70 games again.

He’s the closest analog to Wemby that has existed.

Look I'm not advocating for Wemby to play 48'/game but this KP comp needs to stop

We don't know for sure the real causes, that were probably multiples, increased minutes could just be a over interpreted correlation.

Coaching, rotations, teammates, systems, own body type and style of play, bad luck orr others could be the real causes. Not sure KP had years of mobility exercices and worked on his body like Wemby has etc

It's just the 1st game so let's wait a bit to judge, but Pop needs to let him play +35' at least this season

[KenziE]

Look I'm not advocating for Wemby to play 48'/game but this KP comp needs to stop

We don't know for sure the real causes, that were probably multiples, increased minutes could just be a over interpreted correlation.

Coaching, rotations, teammates, systems, own body type and style of play, bad luck orr others could be the real causes. Not sure KP had years of mobility exercices and worked on his body like Wemby has etc

It's just the 1st game so let's wait a bit to judge, but Pop needs to let him play +35' at least this season

watch out now he might call you Stupid . He thinks all 7 footers are injury prone lol . But yeah 35++ is not asking toomuch at all . 28mins is diabolical for a generational talent its just a damn shame .

[exstatic]

Hahaha ok i get you think Wemby is made of glass �� yeah all 7 footers are made of glass ����

all 7 footers are not allowed to play more than 28mins because they gonna break ok . Wilt Chamberlain is rolling over his grave

It’s not 7 footers. There are plenty of those that do just fine. The cutoff seems to be 7’3”+, and this can’t be the first time you’ve heard this. It was brought up around the 2023 draft. Guys over 7’3” don’t have NBA longevity. Doesn’t seem to matter if they’re behemoths like Yao, or twigs like Manute Bol or KP.

[polandprzem]

Body type does not make you more or less vulnerable to injuries.

TBH being #79 in minutes when we talk about being the best player is pretty low. He needs to play closer to 35 minutes in #30 range in the league.

[Ice009]

Where do I see the league averages for minutes on who plays what amount? Is there a list somewhere, or do you have to use a site like Basketball reference?

[BackHome]

Hahaha ok i get you think Wemby is made of glass �� yeah all 7 footers are made of glass ����

all 7 footers are not allowed to play more than 28mins because they gonna break ok . Wilt Chamberlain is rolling over his grave

I don’t know if you have ever watched Wilt play but I can guarantee Wilt could break Wemby in half like a tooth pick. So I have to agree with Exstatic and say I think this year will see around 65 games averaging 25 to 27 minutes

[KobesAchilles]

I mean I told yall already that Wemby will be playing a low number of minutes. There is no proof that 28 minutes a game vs 35 minutes a game will guarantee injury or not guarantee an injury. Kawhi played under 35 a game and missed every single back to back and still got injured. I do know however if your body isn’t used to playing big minutes then that’s when injuries can occur. It’s why I believe Embiid gets hurt so much in the playoffs. His body isn’t used to playing 40 minutes a game and he gets freak injuries bc of it. When you are young you heal quicker and are in the process of developing resistance to the toll the nba takes on you. But if you always play him 30 minutes a game, that will do him no good for the future of his career.

[Pauleta14]

Where do I see the league averages for minutes on who plays what amount? Is there a list somewhere, or do you have to use a site like Basketball reference?

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Totals

[polandprzem]

I mean I told yall already that Wemby will be playing a low number of minutes. There is no proof that 28 minutes a game vs 35 minutes a game will guarantee injury or not guarantee an injury. Kawhi played under 35 a game and missed every single back to back and still got injured. I do know however if your body isn’t used to playing big minutes then that’s when injuries can occur. It’s why I believe Embiid gets hurt so much in the playoffs. His body isn’t used to playing 40 minutes a game and he gets freak injuries bc of it. When you are young you heal quicker and are in the process of developing resistance to the toll the nba takes on you. But if you always play him 30 minutes a game, that will do him no good for the future of his career.

Yea but ppl get too much into minutes played. Nash Suns were playing big minutes and were fine just because they had lighter training sessions.



btw. yea Wilt was strong !

[RC_Drunkford]

Wemby will play more minutes once grandpa calls it quits. And that's when the Spurs will start winning again.

[KenziE]

It’s not 7 footers. There are plenty of those that do just fine. The cutoff seems to be 7’3”+, and this can’t be the first time you’ve heard this. It was brought up around the 2023 draft. Guys over 7’3” don’t have NBA longevity. Doesn’t seem to matter if they’re behemoths like Yao, or twigs like Manute Bol or KP.

yeah keep harping on the body type narrative . Bottom line is Wemby not playing more than 28 is STUPID !!!! U thinking he gonna have a KP type blackhole tragectory if he plays more mins is IDIOTIC !!! So yeah keep on thinking Pop is maximizing his talent this way is perfect so he doesnt get injured lol

[KenziE]

I mean I told yall already that Wemby will be playing a low number of minutes. There is no proof that 28 minutes a game vs 35 minutes a game will guarantee injury or not guarantee an injury. Kawhi played under 35 a game and missed every single back to back and still got injured. I do know however if your body isn’t used to playing big minutes then that’s when injuries can occur. It’s why I believe Embiid gets hurt so much in the playoffs. His body isn’t used to playing 40 minutes a game and he gets freak injuries bc of it. When you are young you heal quicker and are in the process of developing resistance to the toll the nba takes on you. But if you always play him 30 minutes a game, that will do him no good for the future of his career.

EXACTLY !!!! Agree a hundred percent .

[KenziE]

I don’t know if you have ever watched Wilt play but I can guarantee Wilt could break Wemby in half like a tooth pick. So I have to agree with Exstatic and say I think this year will see around 65 games averaging 25 to 27 minutes


25 to 27 mins Lol and then see Zach Collins on the court half the time ok Lol

[KenziE]

Wemby will play more minutes once grandpa calls it quits. And that's when the Spurs will start winning again.

sad reality

[dn0774]

I hope to see Wemby in the 32 mpg range this season but I am expecting PATFO to come up with any excuse to keep them lower for tank purposes. I will say to those calling for 35+ mpg this season, have you seen how Wemby looks after a 5+ min stretch of mostly uninterrupted basketball? His pace drops off quick and he is noticeably winded/lagging. Pushing through that takes years of work.

[KenziE]

I hope to see Wemby in the 32 mpg range this season but I am expecting PATFO to come up with any excuse to keep them lower for tank purposes. I will say to those calling for 35+ mpg this season, have you seen how Wemby looks after a 5+ min stretch of mostly uninterrupted basketball? His pace drops off quick and he is noticeably winded/lagging. Pushing through that takes years of work.


yeah ill take 32mins. But i mean how is he gonna build the resistance to play longer mins ? 28 a game aint gonna take him there . Pop is so soft man its a fuckin shame !

[Chomag]

Playing a 20 year old 30+ minutes won't kill him. IF it does then we got bigger problems

[BackHome]

He is not just any 20 year old and playing that many minutes when your 7’4 and at that age is just asking for injuries

[polandprzem]

I think we mostly agree here mate. I've seen him trying, more than he used, to set himself up much earlier for offensive rebounds in the last game for ex, he of course will get better and stronger inside.

My point was just that I don't imagine him having go to moves on the post, his tiny butt will always be easier to move than most bigs

We'll see :)



Derick Lively is 7'1" and 234lbs
Embid has started his career at around 250lbs went to about 300pds

Wilt was starting at about 260lbs pretty skinny - went to over 300pds playing fine.

Kareem was playing most of his career at 240-250 starting at 225lbs - then gained strength and mass to 270pds



SO I think IMO would be nice if in 2 to 3 years Wemby can go up to ~250lbs and establish that as his peak weight. And if he is 235 now I think next year he can easily flirt with 245ish depends on few factors.


Side note - looks like his endurance got better last few games. So as I said those early bad outings might be still leftovers after trainings just b4 season.

[Pauleta14]

Derick Lively is 7'1" and 234lbs
Embid has started his career at around 250lbs went to about 300pds

Wilt was starting at about 260lbs pretty skinny - went to over 300pds playing fine.

Kareem was playing most of his career at 240-250 starting at 225lbs - then gained strength and mass to 270pds



SO I think IMO would be nice if in 2 to 3 years Wemby can go up to ~250lbs and establish that as his peak weight. And if he is 235 now I think next year he can easily flirt with 245ish depends on few factors.


Side note - looks like his endurance got better last few games. So as I said those early bad outings might be still leftovers after trainings just b4 season.

We'll see bro, I'm not pretending to hold the truth, however Embiid... not sure it's a great ex/model to follow ^^, Kareem remained skinny, Wilt was a track athlete and Wemby has über long limbs to "fill up", not an easy task.
(I'll take a closer look on Lively, I can't speak on him really now)

What Vic's capable of doing is already mind bloggling, litteraly never seen before, not sure there's a comp except maybe Manute Bol in term of body type

[polandprzem]

We'll see bro, I'm not pretending to hold the truth, however Embiid... not sure it's a great ex/model to follow ^^, Kareem remained skinny, Wilt was a track athlete and Wemby has über long limbs to "fill up", not an easy task.
(I'll take a closer look on Lively, I can't speak on him really now)

What Vic's capable of doing is already mind bloggling, litteraly never seen before, not sure there's a comp except maybe Manute Bol in term of body type

Kareem went through some serious pounding from 240-250 at one point he went to 270pds.

[ambchang]

Kareem went through some serious pounding from 240-250 at one point he went to 270pds.

When TF did Kareem ever play at 270? He’s not even 270 after retirement. He was never even 250.

[Sugus]

Holmgren on the other side had more time and he is looking much better then last year when it comes to his body, agile wise, strength wise and his gate looks better and seems to be more of a presents inside.

I hope him and Wemby gonna progress cause it might be great competition between them in next few years.

Man, I was AFK from the forums for a bit and wanted to get back to your comments, but.... :lmao

The lauded Chet is now out for who-knows-how-long with a complicated injury, after a redshirted rookie season. Whilst Wemby has enjoyed an injury-free career (I'm touching wood, and my left ball, as I'm typing this!) thus far, and continues a slow-but-steady development approach, breaking the league in the process.

Surely the difference between Chet's and Wemby's approaches to body care and training had nothing to do with it? Just two terribly bad luck injuries (ok, this might be true, it's a difficult sport) and a tremendously lucky "weakling"? Nah, it can't be. Wemby needs them meat head gains... :dizzy

[Sugus]

And by the way, polandprzem, I don't hate you or anything. I'm continually singling you out because you have been the most vocal proponent of a very outdated, but very persistent, approach to athlete body training and training philosophy.

I only hope that the continuous pointing towards Wemby's excellence following an innovative (relative to his peers, I know about Kareem back in the day) training and development style, can help move the conversation forward, and grow the collective understanding of how the big men of the future should train and build their bodies.

Long gone are the days of bigs "bulking up" to take a beating in the post, and Wemby's just the perfect poster child for this movement. Towards a new era we go.

[Pauleta14]

Man, I was AFK from the forums for a bit and wanted to get back to your comments, but.... :lmao

The lauded Chet is now out for who-knows-how-long with a complicated injury, after a redshirted rookie season. Whilst Wemby has enjoyed an injury-free career (I'm touching wood, and my left ball, as I'm typing this!) thus far, and continues a slow-but-steady development approach, breaking the league in the process.

Surely the difference between Chet's and Wemby's approaches to body care and training had nothing to do with it? Just two terribly bad luck injuries (ok, this might be true, it's a difficult sport) and a tremendously lucky "weakling"? Nah, it can't be. Wemby needs them meat head gains... :dizzy

Wemby doesn't throw his body against the attacker, he positions himself and uses his length, he avoids contacts a lot more than Chet

He reminds me TP is that way, who had this ability to avoid contact, to the point of being bad a creating fouls when he needed bc the moves were not natural.

He's been well coached young

[polandprzem]

When TF did Kareem ever play at 270? He’s not even 270 after retirement. He was never even 250.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-11-25-sp-13125-story.html

[polandprzem]

Wemby gained mass as I said he would. And I will be back in 2 years to back up what I posted previously about him being 250lbs. Probably again to be right.

[polandprzem]

And by the way, polandprzem (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=216), I don't hate you or anything. I'm continually singling you out because you have been the most vocal proponent of a very outdated, but very persistent, approach to athlete body training and training philosophy.

I only hope that the continuous pointing towards Wemby's excellence following an innovative (relative to his peers, I know about Kareem back in the day) training and development style, can help move the conversation forward, and grow the collective understanding of how the big men of the future should train and build their bodies.
Long gone are the days of bigs "bulking up" to take a beating in the post, and Wemby's just the perfect poster child for this movement. Towards a new era we go.

:lmao

[The Truth #6]

To start the season Wemby was so out of gas it was obvious he couldn't play big minutes. His conditioning/health/esprit de corps(?) looks better now so he probably can play more. But I think it's a fluid process. Some games he seems totally healthy and full of energy, but he plays so damn hard and puts up such huge stats in these huge runs so quickly that yeah he does still get gassed and needs a break. I can recall some games from last year where we played in the high 30s in big games and that was okay too.

[exstatic]

To start the season Wemby was so out of gas it was obvious he couldn't play big minutes. His conditioning/health/esprit de corps(?) looks better now so he probably can play more. But I think it's a fluid process. Some games he seems totally healthy and full of energy, but he plays so damn hard and puts up such huge stats in these huge runs so quickly that yeah he does still get gassed and needs a break. I can recall some games from last year where we played in the high 30s in big games and that was okay too.

He was huffing and puffing that last rotation against the Wiz.

[ambchang]

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-11-25-sp-13125-story.html

I cast serious doubts on an LA times story that somehow claims Kareem gained 20-30 lbs in one single off season, when he had trouble gaining weight his entire life.

You see gervin ballooning up into an iceberg after retire yet Kareem still remained wiry up to this day.

The local media have a lot to gain to put the team message out and in the 86 playoffs Kareem got his head handed to him on a platter by the bigger, stronger faster twin towers. Give he can’t get faster at that age, the lakers would send out messages that he got bigger and stronger.

It’s the same as the spurs media saying wemby gained 25 lbs when he gained 10 at most.

[ginobilized]

Wemby might just be a slow starter/strong finisher over the course of a season.
I was that way as a player. I was more of a baller than anyone I knew and was in decent shape to start the season, but, it always took about 10 games for my body to adjust to game shape before I got in a real groove.
The great news is that he is catching up fast and the team is adjusting to his evolving game. If he's dropping 50 at this point of the season, I can only imagine what he will be doing in April when the games might really count.

[Pauleta14]

:lmao

I'm with you on that tbh

A lot of intellectual wanking about his supposedly "innovative" training :lol

It's no rocket science ffs

[polandprzem]

I cast serious doubts on an LA times story that somehow claims Kareem gained 20-30 lbs in one single off season, when he had trouble gaining weight his entire life.

You see gervin ballooning up into an iceberg after retire yet Kareem still remained wiry up to this day.

The local media have a lot to gain to put the team message out and in the 86 playoffs Kareem got his head handed to him on a platter by the bigger, stronger faster twin towers. Give he can’t get faster at that age, the lakers would send out messages that he got bigger and stronger.

It’s the same as the spurs media saying wemby gained 25 lbs when he gained 10 at most.

I did not know you are such an insider. Anything to back it up?

[polandprzem]

I'm with you on that tbh

A lot of intellectual wanking about his supposedly "innovative" training :lol

It's no rocket science ffs

It's not

They showed rehab exercises and told ppl that is magic :)

[SouthernFried]

It's all about Wemby.

Spurs need a "team." Right now it reminds me of Allen Iverson teams. Iverson was great...but, nobody else was.

I hated watching one dimensional teams like that. I still do.

"But, they'll build around him!" Will they tho? They said same thing about Iverson.

[polandprzem]

It's all about Wemby.

Spurs need a "team." Right now it reminds me of Allen Iverson teams. Iverson was great...but, nobody else was.

I hated watching one dimensional teams like that. I still do.

"But, they'll build around him!" Will they tho? They said same thing about Iverson.

We talkin bout practice man...

[Pauleta14]

It's all about Wemby.

Spurs need a "team." Right now it reminds me of Allen Iverson teams. Iverson was great...but, nobody else was.

I hated watching one dimensional teams like that. I still do.

"But, they'll build around him!" Will they tho? They said same thing about Iverson.

I love AI but it was as much on him tbh

A bit like Westbrook, admirable in their investment and competitiveness, but played as if it was an individual game when they should've sacrificed their own interest for the team's like MJ was able to do after a few years with the same type of indiv mindset.

[ambchang]

I did not know you are such an insider. Anything to back it up?

Every single site listing his playing weight at 225?

[baseline bum]

shit nm

[Ice009]

Victor did not gain 25 pounds or whatever that number was said this off-season. Someone mentioned that he said in a french interview, it was nowhere near that amount.

[SouthernFried]

I love AI but it was as much on him tbh

A bit like Westbrook, admirable in their investment and competitiveness, but played as if it was an individual game when they should've sacrificed their own interest for the team's like MJ was able to do after a few years with the same type of indiv mindset.

Yeah. But, like Iverson...Wemby is our best player. He can also be our worse player. All in the same game ;)

I hope doesn't end up in the Iverson/Westbrook camp...but, he seems to be headed that way. Which is as much on the F/O as it is on him. Again, similar to Westbrook and Iverson?

[Pauleta14]

Yeah. But, like Iverson...Wemby is our best player. He can also be our worse player. All in the same game ;)

I hope doesn't end up in the Iverson/Westbrook camp...but, he seems to be headed that way. Which is as much on the F/O as it is on him. Again, similar to Westbrook and Iverson?

Yep, but it'll be worrisome only if it says like that, but with already Castle + another gem maybe next draft and maybe Vassel stepping up Spurs won't be just dependant on Wemby's production.

Also contrary to AI and Westbrook, Wemby loves to pass, very dif type of personalty, less egotistic

[TheBallsbreakers]

Comparing Wemby to Westbrook and Iverson in terms of selfishness is asinine.
This site, man.

[Mnky]

Comparing Wemby to Westbrook and Iverson in terms of selfishness is asinine.
This site, man.

It's a very good comparison. Wemby wants to hero ball. Always has. He gets upset when he doesn't get a pass when he hasn't sealed off his guy or won position down low.

That's a good thing. He should feel that way. It's what made AI and Westbrook Dawgs. It's what makes him a dang.

Having an issue with very basic criticism is closer to being asinine than comparing hero ball type players.

Wemby chucked two horrible 3s tonight when the team had a chance to tie at the end. Were horrible shots. Wasn't set, didn't have his legs, no rhythm. They were the type of scratch your head shots Westbrook would make all the time.

I have no doubt he will grow out of it and want him learning that through experience so I'm good with it but to ignore the similarities is just odd.

[Pauleta14]

It's a very good comparison. Wemby wants to hero ball. Always has. He gets upset when he doesn't get a pass when he hasn't sealed off his guy or won position down low.

That's a good thing. He should feel that way. It's what made AI and Westbrook Dawgs. It's what makes him a dang.

Having an issue with very basic criticism is closer to being asinine than comparing hero ball type players.

Wemby chucked two horrible 3s tonight when the team had a chance to tie at the end. Were horrible shots. Wasn't set, didn't have his legs, no rhythm. They were the type of scratch your head shots Westbrook would make all the time.

I have no doubt he will grow out of it and want him learning that through experience so I'm good with it but to ignore the similarities is just odd.

I don't think he was comparing the players, Vic is quite the opposite and clearly a team player, I think he compared the situations IF things stayed as they are with Wemby being really the only threat of the team.

It has to chnage quick and Stephon clearly will be one of them + I hope at least one more next summer

[R. DeMurre]

It's all about Wemby.

Spurs need a "team." Right now it reminds me of Allen Iverson teams. Iverson was great...but, nobody else was.

I hated watching one dimensional teams like that. I still do.

"But, they'll build around him!" Will they tho? They said same thing about Iverson.


Iverson for his career shot 31% from three and 42.5% from the field, with a 51.8% TS%... in short, he was always a very inefficient shooter. The idea that that he could be the #1 guy on a title team was pretty ludicrous.

[polandprzem]

Victor did not gain 25 pounds or whatever that number was said this off-season. Someone mentioned that he said in a french interview, it was nowhere near that amount.

HE said what was the number? Nope.
He does not know but it must be... huh

[polandprzem]

Every single site listing his playing weight at 225?

Now you believe the sites? You can't have it both ways.
I see another article that says 250lbs


But the case is that he developed his body and that's the main point. That's why I showed more examples.


If Wemby stayed at 200lbs it would be a disservice. The visuals are obvious also. Ppl might cry it's not 25pds but still after the draft I said it's gonna be ~20pds. So you can measure what you want. I have him listed 210lbs then. I have him now at 235lbs.

[polandprzem]

Imagine Wemby gonna be at 250pds. Someone 30years from now will take a look at the sites that have him listed at 210pds... bball reference has him at 209lbs now

[TheBallsbreakers]

It's a very good comparison. Wemby wants to hero ball. Always has. He gets upset when he doesn't get a pass when he hasn't sealed off his guy or won position down low.

That's a good thing. He should feel that way. It's what made AI and Westbrook Dawgs. It's what makes him a dang.

Having an issue with very basic criticism is closer to being asinine than comparing hero ball type players.

Wemby chucked two horrible 3s tonight when the team had a chance to tie at the end. Were horrible shots. Wasn't set, didn't have his legs, no rhythm. They were the type of scratch your head shots Westbrook would make all the time.

I have no doubt he will grow out of it and want him learning that through experience so I'm good with it but to ignore the similarities is just odd.
There are no similarities. What's odd is you insisting that there is.

[james evans]

It's all about Wemby.

Spurs need a "team." Right now it reminds me of Allen Iverson teams. Iverson was great...but, nobody else was.

I hated watching one dimensional teams like that. I still do.

"But, they'll build around him!" Will they tho? They said same thing about Iverson.
yes, we are ready to win right now. People keep talking about tanking until 2027 to get set up for the future is bs. Cooper Flagg isn't the answer for a backup center. He's 6'9 200 lbs. We need a defending backup center now. Edey wasn't the answer. He's a foul machine. Collins, Branam, and Johnson are 3 players we need to find a way to get rid of somehow before the start of next season

[james evans]

It's all about Wemby.

Spurs need a "team." Right now it reminds me of Allen Iverson teams. Iverson was great...but, nobody else was.

I hated watching one dimensional teams like that. I still do.

"But, they'll build around him!" Will they tho? They said same thing about Iverson.
though the 01 sixers were not as good as the lakers, they were a decent team. The team was built with defenders and players that can hit the midrange so that all iverson had to do was score. You had the Six man of the year in Mckie, DPOY in Mutombo, and some very serviceable players like Lynch and snow. I'd rather have that version of Tyrone Hill right now than Collins

[Sugus]

Wemby gained mass as I said he would. And I will be back in 2 years to back up what I posted previously about him being 250lbs. Probably again to be right.

:lmao sure, keep moving that goalpost man. That's just what you said, eh? That the skinny tall guy would gain mass? Not how much and how quick, or on what training regime? Saying he had clearly gotten stronger this season when you heard he was 235, now saying he's weak once Wemby disproves it? :lol

We really live in a post-truth world. Words just don't matter anymore. :bang

[Sugus]

I'm with you on that tbh

A lot of intellectual wanking about his supposedly "innovative" training :lol

It's no rocket science ffs

Sure, if you're willing to ignore him consistently going against the traditional training regime for big men (something KD had a lot of influence in, before Wemby) and being very vocal about his training approach and goals, in spite of everyone saying he needed to "bulk up and get on the post" through his career, then it's not rocket science at all.

People always act like whatever turns out right was the obvious thing all along.

[Pauleta14]

Sure, if you're willing to ignore him consistently going against the traditional training regime for big men (something KD had a lot of influence in, before Wemby) and being very vocal about his training approach and goals, in spite of everyone saying he needed to "bulk up and get on the post" through his career, then it's not rocket science at all.

People always act like whatever turns out right was the obvious thing all along.

I've disagreed with him on some points too, it's ok to have a nuanced pov and you don't have to always choose a camp/team.

The reality is that none of us knows, we're just speculating based on past players knowing Wemby's different than them.

ST is such a weird place, entertaining as much as a live anthropological study :lol

[polandprzem]

:lmao sure, keep moving that goalpost man. That's just what you said, eh? That the skinny tall guy would gain mass? Not how much and how quick, or on what training regime? Saying he had clearly gotten stronger this season when you heard he was 235, now saying he's weak once Wemby disproves it? :lol

We really live in a post-truth world. Words just don't matter anymore. :bang
WTF is this?

Not only you are low in intelligence but also massively stupid.

[polandprzem]

Sure, if you're willing to ignore him consistently going against the traditional training regime for big men (something KD had a lot of influence in, before Wemby) and being very vocal about his training approach and goals, in spite of everyone saying he needed to "bulk up and get on the post" through his career, then it's not rocket science at all.

People always act like whatever turns out right was the obvious thing all along.

Name the exercises they do show on internet and provide the knowledge why is he doing those exercises. What are they for and if they make him stronger, bigger, etc.

Bring it or STFU!

[polandprzem]

:lmao sure, keep moving that goalpost man. That's just what you said, eh? That the skinny tall guy would gain mass? Not how much and how quick, or on what training regime? Saying he had clearly gotten stronger this season when you heard he was 235, now saying he's weak once Wemby disproves it? :lol

We really live in a post-truth world. Words just don't matter anymore. :bang

Follow it with your getting skinner gaining 25pds...

[ambchang]

Now you believe the sites? You can't have it both ways.
I see another article that says 250lbs


But the case is that he developed his body and that's the main point. That's why I showed more examples.


If Wemby stayed at 200lbs it would be a disservice. The visuals are obvious also. Ppl might cry it's not 25pds but still after the draft I said it's gonna be ~20pds. So you can measure what you want. I have him listed 210lbs then. I have him now at 235lbs.
If you think an LA times article, a single article, is correct and the official nba measurements aren’t, the. I’m not sure there is a point of discussion. Not a single official source had KAJ listed at 250, let alone 270. It was always 225. I’m sure he gained some weight through his 20 years in the league, but to have him gain 30 lbs in one of off season is unlikely, if not downright unbelievable, when he never had the ability to gain weight.