2023 NBA Finals: Heat vs Nuggets

[baseline bum]

FUUUCK what a game. Hope this series goes 7, so glad the faggot Celtics aren't here getting swept

[FkLA]

Zoom into Jimmy at the end as if role players didn't carry him :lol

[lefty20]

Gonna have to do something about them early 4th quarter blues. Happened b2b games now.

[FrostKing]

Very entertaining game. Nuggets didn't play well enough. Heat shot around 50% from 3

Is it 2-3-2?

[Barfunk]

Heat get 2 or 3 KEY phantom calls for points and a blatantly ignored goaltend. That's somewhere around 6-8 points for the Skeet. Nuggets lose by 3. You're seeing it for yourself right there.

[TIMMYtoZO]

They did the same shit for him in the bubble playoffs. Tried to pass off that pic of him leaning over "exhausted" as some sort of iconic moment...then he averaged like 10 ppg in the Finals :lol


Who just won? Your Spurs are drafting a bust. Meanwhile Miami will be a dynasty.

[FkLA]

Who just won? Your Spurs are drafting a bust. Meanwhile Miami will be a dynasty.

Denver in 6, imo.

[spurs10]

Joker can't win by himself.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Zoom into Jimmy at the end as if role players didn't carry him :lol

:lol You are so jealous of Miami.

[Tyronn Lue]

As long as the Lakers don't ring.

[Cry Havoc]

Very entertaining game. Nuggets didn't play well enough. Heat shot around 50% from 3

Is it 2-3-2?

2-2-1-1-1

[Barfunk]

Of course Stephen A. Smithe happier than a pig in shit and ignoring that the Skeet got bullshit calls for points and momentum to get the fraudulent win.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Denver in 6, imo.
Miami just ended the series tonight. Denver isn’t winning a single game in Miami. It’s over.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Heat get 2 or 3 KEY phantom calls for points and a blatantly ignored goaltend. That's somewhere around 6-8 points for the Skeet. Nuggets lose by 3. You're seeing it for yourself right there.

Denver had a 15 point lead. Led by 8 after 3. No excuses. Bam got called for a “foul” on a Jokic 3 too.

[Barfunk]

Denver had a 15 point lead. Led by 8 after 3. No excuses. Bam got called for a “foul” on a Jokic 3 too.

It's when they got these fouls. They were absolutely HUGE for Miami. They can try to cover it up but people who have a knack for noticing these things will notice.

[TIMMYtoZO]

As long as the Lakers don't ring.


:lol trying to make yourself feel better after Miami proved you wrong. A week from this Thursday Miami will be champs! Fuck I’m pumped!!!

[Barfunk]

Oh well. Thuggets got to nut up and win on the road at ESPN stadium.

[FkLA]

:lol You are so jealous of Miami.

5 rings, faggot

[D-Wade]

At some point Jimbo is going to have to have several good games. He's out there looking like Wade in '14. But for now we survive.

[Tyronn Lue]

:lol trying to make yourself feel better after Miami proved you wrong. A week from this Thursday Miami will be champs! Fuck I’m pumped!!!
I don't care which team wins :lol

Funny how much effort you put into this troll.

[FrostKing]

2-2-1-1-1
I think that benefits Denver. 3 straight at Miami can turn on its head. Historically for Heat in the Finals.

[Barfunk]

Sux cause Lowry is cool, and Spoelstra's a good coach, but eh, lol.

[TIMMYtoZO]

5 rings, faggot
:lol Heat will have 6 in a few years. This is the start to their dynasty. They are winning 2 more after this season with this core. Enjoy that while you can.

[TIMMYtoZO]

I think that benefits Denver. 3 straight at Miami can turn on its head. Historically for Heat in the Finals.

:lol Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Oh shit, Tyler Herro returns in game 3. Denver can’t guard Miami already. God they are so fucked.

[Arcadian]

Remember, the 2014 Spurs lost a close game 2 at home before winning three straight blowouts. Just saying.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Remember, the 2014 Spurs lost a close game 2 at home before winning three straight blowouts. Just saying.

:lol That Heat team was done after 3 previous Finals runs. Plus Bosh was near death at the time. This Denver team is mentally weak. Once shit gets tough, they implode. This Heat team doesn’t have the same wear and tear as that 14 squad.

[FrostKing]

My recap after 2


Miami played poorly in Game1 but outta their minds in Game2

Nuggets put up 2 alright performances

I see more avenues to victory and adjustments to be made moving forward for Denver

Many of us on here said Heat need to shoot on fire from 3 to extend the series and they did just that

Surprisingly both teams have shot 38% from 3 in the Playoffs

[MultiTroll]

Philly Beaner >>>>> Malone.

Malones Nuggets team does seem to choke off a lot of leads.

But HeatRef with some solid work on huge momentum plays.

[Robz4000]

Fun series so far tbh.

[FrostKing]

Fun series so far tbh.
Ya classic old style ball vs new. If this were a 5-game series I'd be worried for Denver but I don't see some rabbit outta the hat move avaliable by Miami. Too many bodies wearing Butler down.

Heat were :hat in Game 2 and it should carry over at Home. I would not be shocked by Miami win in Game 3 but.... I still don't see much of a road to victory for them. Can a team 3point to the title? Not named Curry/Thompson & Durant.

[Robz4000]

Ya classic old style ball vs new. If this were a 5-game series I'd be worried for Denver but I don't see some rabbit outta the hat move avaliable by Miami. Too many bodies wearing Butler down.

Heat were :hat in Game 2 and it should carry over at Home. I would not be shocked by Miami win in Game 3 but.... I still don't see much of a road to victory for them. Can a team 3point to the title? Not named Curry/Thompson & Durant.

I got the Heat winning game 3 with Herro returning and then the Nuggets taking the next three tbh.

[gilmor2002]

u guys aint see nothing of the baller Butler is.. he prep the whole team mindset for the win,..

[lefty]

I got the Heat winning game 3 with Herro returning and then the Nuggets taking the next three tbh.
Depends on how rusty Herro will be tbh

[Spurs Homer]

Good win by the heat…great coaching…
denver players other than joker all relaxed and partook in some media knobslobbing of the nuggets greatness and tuned out malone…

malone DOES seem annoying as fuck tho’
dont blame nuggets for tuning him out

now- he will get them to play with a little fear and take the heat seriously

good series

looks like a 6-7 game series with teams taking turns scaring each other

[sammy]

I agree! That was the turning point in the game! Heatrefs to the rescue!

[Kawhitstorm]

u guys aint see nothing of the baller Butler is.. he prep the whole team mindset for the win,..

Yeah, he prepped Duncan Robinson to score 10 straight points while chillin on the bench:dramaquee

[Kawhitstorm]

At some point Jimbo is going to have to have several good games. He's out there looking like Wade in '14. But for now we survive.

Dude is a foul grifter who bullies midgets.

He has trouble against bigger/stronger forwards like Gordon which is why Bud got run out of town for not deploying Giannis who had locked him up in ‘21.

It’s funny how he’s supposedly elite but people look the other way when he consistently shits the bed :lol

[MultiTroll]

Real momentum downer play was Pope and his stoopid phuck jumping under the feet on Lowrys shot clock desperate trey chuck.

[The Gemini Method]

Miami made game 2 their type of game and inserting Love to prevent AG from getting easy point of attack at the rims. Masterclass by Spo. How will game 3 go? I don't know. It's now a series.

[Tyronn Lue]

Real momentum downer play was Pope and his stoopid phuck jumping under the feet on Lowrys shot clock desperate trey chuck.
I didn't get that either. The worst that could happen there was a magic three but the odds were a long rebound.

The back to back to back poor out of bounds calls that should have gone the other way, coupled with the goaltend created a bit of a lull for Denver and a boost for Miami. With some help from MPJ and KCP, the Heat were able to capitalize on it with stellar shooting and a more aggressive mindset on both ends.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Sucks we have to wait until Wednesday for game 3. Herro coming back is simply
going to be unfair for Denver. :lol

[lefty20]

Heat win game 3.

Nuggets win 4, 5 & 6 to finish it off, proving my og prediction to be correct.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Heat win game 3.

Nuggets win 4, 5 & 6 to finish it off, proving my og prediction to be correct.

:lol No. Heat win games 3/4. Nuggets win game 5 and Miami ends it at home in 6. Denver literally has no chance in hell of winning in South Beach. They lost the series last night.

[Barfunk]

I definitely agree. If the games are reffed like last night's, where the Skeet get all those rigged, last minute momentum calls that lead to free points to barely escape with a win, then the Nuggets indeed have zero chance at ESPN arena in Sly-ami Florida.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Ain't nobody thought we would get no win but us!

[ambchang]

:lol at the “coaching don’t matter” crowd.

[TD 21]

:lol At the "coaching matters" crowd.

[GAustex]

Ref does matter

[Tyronn Lue]

:lol At the "coaching matters" crowd.
Tell that to all the NBA teams who cycled the coaching wheel again this year.

[Obstructed_View]

:lol At the "coaching matters" crowd.

Adding Spoelstra = matters
Subtracting Mark Jackson = matters

[lefty]

Well

It depends on the situation tbh

Riley was a great coach, but he didn't do anything special in L.A tbh; his team was mega stacked and the West was shit

He just kept his job by doing what his boss wanted, run run run and let Magic run the show.

One could argue he got them to ply defense and share the rock, but those are basic team basketball concepts so it's not like he did anything special tbh.

At least he he was competitve with less talented teams later

[TD 21]

Tell that to all the NBA teams who cycled the coaching wheel again this year.

Easier to replace them than make the type of personnel changes teams want to.



Adding Spoelstra = matters
Subtracting Mark Jackson = matters

Based on what, media narrative? Adding Butler mattered and lucking into Adebayo in the draft did. They got the former for the same reason O'Neal preferred to be traded to them and James and Bosh signed with them: location.

Kerr lucked into getting Curry and Thompson as they were entering their prime and has admitted that he had Green penciled in as a 10-15 mpg combo forward, before Lee got injured and the rest is history. Not to mention Durant for a while.

[Robz4000]

With Herro out again tonight, I change my prediction. Nuggets win game 3 by 15-20.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/Wt14H0h/Screenshot-20230607-180502-Chrome.png

Nuggets have a new guard?

[Barfunk]

I think this is the game to win for Denver so they sleep easy, though I fully expect an inspired night of calls from SalamiRef.

[MultiTroll]

Both of those foul calls on Vincent were absolutely correct.
Replays show 100 clear.
He hacks down 1st on Murray. Not even close. Even at that, the ref lets it go. Next Murray arm shoves Vincent, ref lets it go.
Now watch the feet. Vincent clearly tries to trip Murrray. Extends his leg wayy out into Murrays space and makes contact. Easy call.

Next the leg hold on Joker. Clearly a foul. Schrimps wrapping up a bigs leg is hardly Let em Play stuff.

[Kawhitstorm]

Buttler’s eyes lighting up against Murray but a deer in a headlight against Gordon:lol

Let's not forget that Hardenesque flop trying to draw a 3 shot foul:rollin

[MultiTroll]

Horrible call on Vincent.
Gordon with his head up his ass.

The ball was not in possession by Gordon. If anything he bumped into Vincent preventing Vincent from going for the loose ball.

[Barfunk]

Horrible call on Vincent.
Gordon with his head up his ass.

The ball was not in possession by Gordon. If anything he bumped into Vincent preventing Vincent from going for the loose ball.

I'm all for objectivity :toast

[lefty20]

Miami down double digits.

Denver in trouble, tbh

[GAustex]

This is fun

[benefactor]

Timmyt:lolZ:lol

[Tyronn Lue]

I never complain about officiating but Denver is getting molested with no calls.

[Tyronn Lue]

I do think Miami will come back, not sure they can make that much up but the 3's will start flying.

[lefty]

Braun is better than MOJ

[timtonymanu]

Can’t wait till the fickle media talks about the powerhouse Nuggets again :lol

[Barfunk]

Denver's got a Duncan Robinson of their own in Braun....

[GAustex]

Butler got used

[Kawhitstorm]

Buttler getting defecated on by a whitle bol :lmao #talkshitnow

[Tyronn Lue]

Can’t wait till the fickle media talks about the powerhouse Nuggets again :lol
They knew it all along.

[lefty]

:lol YouTubeTV thinks people will have 4 screens of WNBA games playing at the same time , who the fuck watches WNBA?

[Kawhitstorm]

Braun is better than MOJ

Not sure why NBA coaches don’t get the Heat zone/traps gets shredded by cutters rather than camping at the 3 point line, ‘14 Spurs literally killed them by a thousand cuts

[lefty]

Get a fucking rebound :lol

[Tyronn Lue]

Denver playing "time to take me out of the game now, we won already" ball.

[Kawhitstorm]

Get a fucking rebound :lol

Jokic is tired, they need Gordon to clean the boards (Uncle Jeff ain’t it)

[Tyronn Lue]

Easier to replace them than make the type of personnel changes teams want to.


If teams want to, what's to stop them?



Based on what, media narrative? Adding Butler mattered and lucking into Adebayo in the draft did. They got the former for the same reason O'Neal preferred to be traded to them and James and Bosh signed with them: location.

Kerr lucked into getting Curry and Thompson as they were entering their prime and has admitted that he had Green penciled in as a 10-15 mpg combo forward, before Lee got injured and the rest is history. Not to mention Durant for a while.
Without Spo they probably don't get to the playoffs.

[lefty]

Heat fans leaving early

a familiar sight


:cry it still hurts

[GAustex]

This is fun

[lefty]

Haslem is there for some reasons

[FkLA]

Chris Bosh is in the hall of fame? WTF?

[Tyronn Lue]

What's wrong with Haslem's hair?

[timtonymanu]

Championship response by Denver. I definitely see Herro coming back for Game 4.

[Barfunk]

Joker putting up 03' Duncan playoff numbers

[TIMMYtoZO]

Nice job Miami for not showing up in that 2nd half. They’ll still win it in 6 but Jesus Christ they gotta stop making shit difficult for themselves.

[Tyronn Lue]

Nice job Miami for not showing up in that 2nd half. They’ll still win it in 6 but Jesus Christ stop making shit difficult for yourselves.
Oh there you are. :lol

I thought Miami fought hard, they just didn't hit the shots.

[Spurs Homer]

Miami sucks lol

[timtonymanu]

Crazy how easy it is for Jokic to get triple doubles and they don't feel statpaddy like how Westbrick would get them.

[MultiTroll]

Courtside girl with the glittery boots and cape a ho?

[TIMMYtoZO]

Oh there you are. :lol

I thought Miami fought hard, they just didn't hit the shots.

:lol I was just annoyed at Miami’s effort. If these bastards just play their game, Denver will implode. Then again, this is a typical 6 game series. Miami gives 2 away and wins 4 outright. I’m sorry but I’m not impressed by Denver at all. Miami is simply beating themselves. It’s annoying to watch but it’ll be worth it when they win this series.

[Barfunk]

Crazy how easy it is for Jokic to get triple doubles and they don't feel statpaddy like how Westbrick would get them.

Can only imagine a 26 yr old Duncan in this era. He'd be a monster. Duncan has every bit of the BBall IQ of Jokic so that would be an interesting watch.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Crazy how easy it is for Jokic to get triple doubles and they don't feel statpaddy like how Westbrick would get them.

If Miami gets more physical with that overrated turd, he’ll get flustered and be contained.

[benefactor]

Joker has gone for 30/20/10 three times in the playoffs now...and the first in NBA history to do it in the finals. Only Wilt and Kareem have done it in the playoffs and only once each.

Bananas.

[GAustex]

Ol Bam getting tired of that big Sweaty shoulder and elbow in his face

[MultiTroll]

If Miami gets more physical with that overrated turd, he’ll get flustered and be contained.
Cool story.

https://youtu.be/L06009FEQRs

[timtonymanu]

Joker has gone for 30/20/10 three times in the playoffs now...and the first in NBA history to do it in the finals. Only Wilt and Kareem have done it in the playoffs and only once each.

Bananas.

Miami’s had a cute little run but they don’t have Nikola Jokic.

[TD 21]

:lmao At the national media blowing their load pretending the Heat and their precious "culture" eking out one law of averages game (against a Nuggets team that had won 7 straight at home and 9 straight overall) counted for 3.


If teams want to, what's to stop them?

Without Spo they probably don't get to the playoffs.

I specifically said "the type". Sure, anyone can make moves for the sake of them.

:lmao Based on what? Say it with me now: agenda driven media narrative.

[Tyronn Lue]

Can only imagine a 26 yr old Duncan in this era. He'd be a monster. Duncan has every bit of the BBall IQ of Jokic so that would be an interesting watch.
Tim wasn't a 3pt threat though, so teams could let him roam around out there. Not so much with Jokic. Tim was a much better defender.

[Tyronn Lue]

:lmao At the national media blowing their load pretending the Heat and their precious "culture" eking out one law of averages game (against a Nuggets team that had won 7 straight at home and 9 straight overall) counted for 3.



I specifically said "the type". Sure, anyone can make moves for the sake of them.

:lmao Based on what? Say it with me now: agenda driven media narrative.
You're saying contractual obligations prevent teams from moving problem players, so they instead move coaches to give the appearance to season ticket holders that they are serious about winning? I don't see any of that as media narrative. I see it as business.

[Robz4000]

Joker has gone for 30/20/10 three times in the playoffs now...and the first in NBA history to do it in the finals. Only Wilt and Kareem have done it in the playoffs and only once each.

Bananas.

Only current young player I wouldn't hate surpassing Timmy all-time tbh (Wemby excluded).

[horseshue]

Wednesday night is gonna be fire! Miami won’t lose at home. Denver fans seeing their season slipping away. :lol

:lol

[daslicer]

:lol I was just annoyed at Miami’s effort. If these bastards just play their game, Denver will implode. Then again, this is a typical 6 game series. Miami gives 2 away and wins 4 outright. I’m sorry but I’m not impressed by Denver at all. Miami is simply beating themselves. It’s annoying to watch but it’ll be worth it when they win this series.

Harlem it's ok to use your regular screen name we know it's you.

[timtonymanu]

I thought TtoZ was timvp, tbh.

[GAustex]

Heat most important player did not show up.
Heatref gotta be influential or they got no chance.

[FrostKing]

Boom

Champion type of Win

We expectidited and Nuggies delivievered. Whooooo.

[horseshue]

:lol No. Heat win games 3/4. Nuggets win game 5 and Miami ends it at home in 6. Denver literally has no chance in hell of winning in South Beach. They lost the series last night.

:lol You should back this up by betting your house on this.

[ambchang]

Easier to replace them than make the type of personnel changes teams want to.




Based on what, media narrative? Adding Butler mattered and lucking into Adebayo in the draft did. They got the former for the same reason O'Neal preferred to be traded to them and James and Bosh signed with them: location.

Kerr lucked into getting Curry and Thompson as they were entering their prime and has admitted that he had Green penciled in as a 10-15 mpg combo forward, before Lee got injured and the rest is history. Not to mention Durant for a while.

Because coaching matters means players don’t. :lol unable to see simple exclusivities in concepts.

[RC_Drunkford]

:lol No. Heat win games 3/4. Nuggets win game 5 and Miami ends it at home in 6. Denver literally has no chance in hell of winning in South Beach. They lost the series last night.

:lmao :lmao
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[Seventyniner]

Crazy how easy it is for Jokic to get triple doubles and they don't feel statpaddy like how Westbrick would get them.

That's cause Jokic is actually efficient on offense. His TS% is miles ahead of Westbrook's.

Surprisingly, their turnover rates are similar. Westbrook at his peak (late 2010s with the Thunder) had a TOV% of around 16, in line with his career mark of 16.1. Jokic this season had a TOV% of 17 and a career mark of 15.2.

[TD 21]

You're saying contractual obligations prevent teams from moving problem players, so they instead move coaches to give the appearance to season ticket holders that they are serious about winning? I don't see any of that as media narrative. I see it as business.

Or lack of assets/scarcity of archetype prevent teams from getting the caliber/types of players they want, but you can always fire a coach.

The media narrative part is them cherry picking who they want to pretend is a genius, which are the ones who have formed relationships with them and feed them information.



Because coaching matters means players don’t. :lol unable to see simple exclusivities in concepts.

If it matters so much, then why can you seemingly not articulate why it supposedly does? Don't spout results without context that were earned on the backs of players.

[ambchang]

Or lack of assets/scarcity of archetype prevent teams from getting the caliber/types of players they want, but you can always fire a coach.

The media narrative part is them cherry picking who they want to pretend is a genius, which are the ones who have formed relationships with them and feed them information.




If it matters so much, then why can you seemingly not articulate why it supposedly does? Don't spout results without context that were earned on the backs of players.

A). I didn’t say it matters “so much”. What does “so much” even means. However, coaching does not matter means coaching has no impact, which is demonstratively untrue.

Teams like Houston underperforms due to lack of adequate coaching, a team like the warriors went from 1st round fodder to a dynasty from going from an incompetent coach to a great one. The vast majority of playoff series features at least some level of lineup and strategy changes to counter the other team, which is the most visible aspect of coaching, and they have shown clear differences game to game.

Can a great coach lead a bunch of g leaguers to an nba title, or even the playoffs? I would say no. Would a bunch of Allstars with a terrible coach win a title? It would be tough but I don’t think it’s impossible. That said, a bunch of all stars with a great coach would be a dynasty. So it makes a difference. I’m not even sure what is there to argue.

[TD 21]

A). I didn’t say it matters “so much”. What does “so much” even means. However, coaching does not matter means coaching has no impact, which is demonstratively untrue.

Teams like Houston underperforms due to lack of adequate coaching, a team like the warriors went from 1st round fodder to a dynasty from going from an incompetent coach to a great one. The vast majority of playoff series features at least some level of lineup and strategy changes to counter the other team, which is the most visible aspect of coaching, and they have shown clear differences game to game.

Can a great coach lead a bunch of g leaguers to an nba title, or even the playoffs? I would say no. Would a bunch of Allstars with a terrible coach win a title? It would be tough but I don’t think it’s impossible. That said, a bunch of all stars with a great coach would be a dynasty. So it makes a difference. I’m not even sure what is there to argue.

Again, you can't quantify these theories that have been perpetuated by the agenda driven media to brainwash the masses.

Maybe the Rockets are just a toxic combination of young, immature, poor fitting and not as talented as believed.

Maybe the Warriors, young and perennially a 50 win team under supposedly incompetent Jackson (I never hear about Collins being incompetent for not winning a championship with the Bulls; funny how virtually every black coach/executive/commentator apparently sucks at their job, but it's never about race), just hit their prime and fell ass backwards into the rest I mentioned.

Virtually any coach can make the adjustments (Jokic himself scoffed at the notion of them recently) you claim. They wouldn't sniff this level if they didn't know the game and personnel inside and out. The notion that certain ones are outsmarting other ones is absurd, especially in a largely homogenized league.

It mostly derives from race. Coaching is associated with ingenuity. Being black isn't. Therefore, if a group of mostly black athletes achieve at the highest level, it must be in large part because of the mostly white voices "leading" them.

[MultiTroll]

Maybe the Warriors, young and perennially a 50 win team under supposedly incompetent Jackson
They won 51 games once, that being in Jackson final year. They were under 50 the other 2 years.

Jackson got beat 4-3 to Doc Rivers in Game 7.
Do you know how hard it is to lose to Doc Rivers in a playoff Game 7?

True, the ABC/Disney Warriors won with Potatoe Head and Luke Walton just as much as Fluffy Kerr for a couple long stints.
Still, very sure Kerr offense >>>>>> Jacksons.

[TD 21]

They won 51 games once, that being in Jackson final year. They were under 50 the other 2 years.

Jackson got beat 4-3 to Doc Rivers in Game 7.
Do you know how hard it is to lose to Doc Rivers in a playoff Game 7?

True, the ABC/Disney Warriors won with Potatoe Head and Luke Walton just as much as Fluffy Kerr for a couple long stints.
Still, very sure Kerr offense >>>>>> Jacksons.

I didn't mean it literally, I meant they had coalesced into that.

Jackson and Rivers didn't play and the latter had a better, more experienced team. Funny how that won out.

Very sure Lue took over for Blatt and the Cavaliers pulled the greatest comeback in Finals history against the Warriors, yet he received little to no credit for it. Wonder why.

[MultiTroll]

You might want to check Docs record when he had the "better, more experienced team."

Race aside have you heard the ignoramus comments Jackson regularly makes for ESPN - Disney? If he was anywhere near that stupid as a coach it's a miracle that team drug him to 51 wins.

Not sure how his self righteous hypocritical bullshit flew with the players either.

[MultiTroll]

Lues punking of the Most Overated Bunch of Inssufferables Ever was an is superbly prop worthy.

On my all time most enjoyable Finals list.

[TD 21]

You might want to check Docs record when he had the "better, more experienced team."

Race aside have you heard the ignoramus comments Jackson regularly makes for ESPN - Disney? If he was anywhere near that stupid as a coach it's a miracle that team drug him to 51 wins.

Not sure how his self righteous hypocritical bullshit flew with the players either.

I never said it guaranteed anything, but it doesn't hurt.

No more ignorant than the ones Van Gundy regularly makes, yet he's lauded as an elite analyst and Jackson as some buffoon. Again, wonder why.

Agreed on the last point.

[MultiTroll]

No more ignorant than the ones Van Gundy regularly makes, yet he's lauded as an elite analyst and Jackson as some buffoon. Again, wonder why.
Van Gundy seems to have toned down the idiocy this season. At least the times I've had the volume on.
Particularly on the foul call replays.

Yes they both overall are complete morons.
In a world where Steven A Smith and Skip Bayless have risen to the top of the pay scale, it's surreal.
Been known for years ABC Disney is a run by super pervs so there's that.

[ambchang]

Again, you can't quantify these theories that have been perpetuated by the agenda driven media to brainwash the masses.

Maybe the Rockets are just a toxic combination of young, immature, poor fitting and not as talented as believed.

Maybe the Warriors, young and perennially a 50 win team under supposedly incompetent Jackson (I never hear about Collins being incompetent for not winning a championship with the Bulls; funny how virtually every black coach/executive/commentator apparently sucks at their job, but it's never about race), just hit their prime and fell ass backwards into the rest I mentioned.

Virtually any coach can make the adjustments (Jokic himself scoffed at the notion of them recently) you claim. They wouldn't sniff this level if they didn't know the game and personnel inside and out. The notion that certain ones are outsmarting other ones is absurd, especially in a largely homogenized league.

It mostly derives from race. Coaching is associated with ingenuity. Being black isn't. Therefore, if a group of mostly black athletes achieve at the highest level, it must be in large part because of the mostly white voices "leading" them.


Again, you can't quantify these theories that have been perpetuated by the agenda driven media to brainwash the masses.

Maybe the Rockets are just a toxic combination of young, immature, poor fitting and not as talented as believed.

Maybe the Warriors, young and perennially a 50 win team under supposedly incompetent Jackson (I never hear about Collins being incompetent for not winning a championship with the Bulls; funny how virtually every black coach/executive/commentator apparently sucks at their job, but it's never about race), just hit their prime and fell ass backwards into the rest I mentioned.

Virtually any coach can make the adjustments (Jokic himself scoffed at the notion of them recently) you claim. They wouldn't sniff this level if they didn't know the game and personnel inside and out. The notion that certain ones are outsmarting other ones is absurd, especially in a largely homogenized league.

It mostly derives from race. Coaching is associated with ingenuity. Being black isn't. Therefore, if a group of mostly black athletes achieve at the highest level, it must be in large part because of the mostly white voices "leading" them.

What kind of bullshit drivel is this? Maybe? So you’re not even sure if it’s true? So these billionaires would spend $10 m a year on coaches plus an entire coaching staff because of media driven fallacies? Why would they do so? If coaching doesn’t matter, then pay some random hobo the minimum wage to do the job. Because anybody can do it. Better yet, don’t even have one, the players should be able to just figure it out.

The common perception is that coaching does matter. It is actually your burden of proof to prove otherwise. You have offered none other than rants.

[Barfunk]

Tim wasn't a 3pt threat though, so teams could let him roam around out there. Not so much with Jokic. Tim was a much better defender.

Jokic is indeed a better shooter than Duncan from distance. I have no doubt though that Duncan would adapt and become respectable from 3 in this era.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Super excited to see what gameplan Spoelstra has in game 4. Sucks Herro won’t be playing, but it is what it is.

[Tyronn Lue]

Jokic is indeed a better shooter than Duncan from distance. I have no doubt though that Duncan would adapt and become respectable from 3 in this era.
Great players played to their strengths. They weren't jacks of all trades who could just shift focus and be great elsewhere. Tim wasn't a great free throw shooter either. He used the glass for a reason.

[Barfunk]

Great players played to their strengths. They weren't jacks of all trades who could just shift focus and be great elsewhere. Tim wasn't a great free throw shooter either. He used the glass for a reason.

Just saying that I'm pretty sure he could adapt to the new era. He was just that good of a basketball player. Tim Duncan probably had the weirdest free-throw stats in history by a superstar. One season he'd be 60%, and then 80% in another. Just looking at his free-throw stats right now, yeah, he's all over the place.

[TD 21]

What kind of bullshit drivel is this? Maybe? So you’re not even sure if it’s true? So these billionaires would spend $10 m a year on coaches plus an entire coaching staff because of media driven fallacies? Why would they do so? If coaching doesn’t matter, then pay some random hobo the minimum wage to do the job. Because anybody can do it. Better yet, don’t even have one, the players should be able to just figure it out.

The common perception is that coaching does matter. It is actually your burden of proof to prove otherwise. You have offered none other than rants.

Are you that dense? I was speaking rhetorically. Many of the billionaires have been brainwashed too and salaries are a product of the business continuing to grow. If you don't keep up with that, your organization will be seen as lacking credibility.

I don't give a damn about the common perception. I can't "prove" it doesn't just like you can't prove it does (still haven't made a single point on this front, just the usual results without context and the narrative that surrounds them), but I can use common sense.

[ambchang]

Are you that dense? I was speaking rhetorically. Many of the billionaires have been brainwashed too and salaries are a product of the business continuing to grow. If you don't keep up with that, your organization will be seen as lacking credibility.

I don't give a damn about the common perception. I can't "prove" it doesn't just like you can't prove it does (still haven't made a single point on this front, just the usual results without context and the narrative that surrounds them), but I can use common sense.

So you’re making shit up like some maga trump tards or flat earthers and say it is because I think it is.

Coaches have made a difference year after year, putting in hours of work to hone the skills of marginal talent and make them useful in a team setting for years. Larry brown coaching teams to over achieve year over year, pop making use of players like Danny green and Bruce Bowen. Then there are those who made strategic moves to upset other teams consistently. Your sole argument is that we don’t know what would happen if we removed coaches from the equation but you are sure it won’t make a difference, yet we have observed differences being made due to coaching decisions time and again.

Bad coaches make teams under achieve. Good ones help them achieve potential and great ones help them over archive.

And no, businesses lose reinvestment capital if they just choose to poor millions of dollars year over year in a function that serves no purpose.

I have offered plenty of examples just in the previous post. You just chose to ignore it.

[Tyronn Lue]

Just saying that I'm pretty sure he could adapt to the new era. He was just that good of a basketball player. Tim Duncan probably had the weirdest free-throw stats in history by a superstar. One season he'd be 60%, and then 80% in another. Just looking at his free-throw stats right now, yeah, he's all over the place.
Not because he didn't work on them though. I'm saying GOAT players found their strengths early and capitalized on them, and those strengths made them unstoppable. That doesn't mean someone like Tim or KG could become knock down 3pt shooters if they worked at it or that Shaq could get his FT% into the 80s if the game demanded it more. Jokic has the qualities of being able to move and shoot like a smaller player. He has great hands, he's a fantastic rebounder, he can shoot the 3, he shoots FTs good, he's a serviceable defender, he's got fantastic court vision and good handles for a big, he's got the right body size and knows how to use it and his spatial awareness and timing slider is almost fully to the right. Coupled with confidence and level headedness, he's almost the perfect player. We shouldn't dismiss that by using "era" as a caveat.

[TD 21]

So you’re making shit up like some maga trump tards or flat earthers and say it is because I think it is.

Coaches have made a difference year after year, putting in hours of work to hone the skills of marginal talent and make them useful in a team setting for years. Larry brown coaching teams to over achieve year over year, pop making use of players like Danny green and Bruce Bowen. Then there are those who made strategic moves to upset other teams consistently. Your sole argument is that we don’t know what would happen if we removed coaches from the equation but you are sure it won’t make a difference, yet we have observed differences being made due to coaching decisions time and again.

Bad coaches make teams under achieve. Good ones help them achieve potential and great ones help them over archive.

And no, businesses lose reinvestment capital if they just choose to poor millions of dollars year over year in a function that serves no purpose.

I have offered plenty of examples just in the previous post. You just chose to ignore it.

How is what you're doing any different? Overachieved according to what or whom? All media driven narrative to take the the majority of the credit that should go to young, mostly black players and instead hand it to old, mostly white coaches.

Bowen and Green were always 3 and D wings. Credit Pop for seeing the value of them before it became common place, but credit Duncan, Parker and Ginobili far more for being able to help perimeter players with limited ball skills thrive in significant roles and of course themselves for their rise from relative obscurity to prominence.

Again, dense. If the other 29 teams spend X amount on whatever area of the business, if you're not at least in the same neighborhood, you look like a joke.

[Spurs Homer]

Cool story.

https://youtu.be/L06009FEQRs

love that video- i think joker probably should be mvp for that play alone!

[Chris Fall]

I think coaching can matter sometimes. But talent supercedes coaching the vast majority of the time, good or bad.

In a vacuum of a playoff series, coaching can be the deciding factor if the two teams are relatively even. If not, the more talented team will or should win like 95% of the time.

[MultiTroll]

Herro out Game 4.

[Robz4000]

Series ends Monday night.

[Barfunk]

Not because he didn't work on them though. I'm saying GOAT players found their strengths early and capitalized on them, and those strengths made them unstoppable. That doesn't mean someone like Tim or KG could become knock down 3pt shooters if they worked at it or that Shaq could get his FT% into the 80s if the game demanded it more. Jokic has the qualities of being able to move and shoot like a smaller player. He has great hands, he's a fantastic rebounder, he can shoot the 3, he shoots FTs good, he's a serviceable defender, he's got fantastic court vision and good handles for a big, he's got the right body size and knows how to use it and his spatial awareness and timing slider is almost fully to the right. Coupled with confidence and level headedness, he's almost the perfect player. We shouldn't dismiss that by using "era" as a caveat.

Well I mentioned the era because mainstream bandwagon fans try to dismiss Tim any way they can and say that he wouldn't flourish in this era. Believe you me man, I've heard it. I'm just saying that Tim would be a beast in the modern NBA, because just like Jokic today, he was a smart basketball player. Tim was in MVP discussions year in and year out and that's because he basically couldn't really jump anymore by the age of like 27. Obviously no way to prove it, but I think Tim could be a servicable shooter from distance in this era.

[Barfunk]

That's one of the few thing's that you can knock about Pop's system, in that not even a SMIDGEN of stat padding was allowed. The stars were yanked at the first reasonable opportunity and as a result the big three's stats were actually much lower than they were capable of. I guarantee you not even Kobe's or LeBron's stats would've survived Pop's system. Pop simply DID NOT allow players to get their numbers, and now we gotta deal with people who don't realize this fact and say that Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili weren't as good as Spurs fans think they are and or not as good as their contemporaries such as Kobe, Wade, CP3, KG etc.

[Barfunk]

Lez go Nuggets. Get this win against the Salami Skeet.

[Tyronn Lue]

Well I mentioned the era because mainstream bandwagon fans try to dismiss Tim any way they can and say that he wouldn't flourish in this era. Believe you me man, I've heard it. I'm just saying that Tim would be a beast in the modern NBA, because just like Jokic today, he was a smart basketball player. Tim was in MVP discussions year in and year out and that's because he basically couldn't really jump anymore by the age of like 27. Obviously no way to prove it, but I think Tim could be a servicable shooter from distance in this era.
If you could drop a prime TD into today's game he's unstoppable even more than he was. With that presence in the NBA today, other teams would need to build to defend against it. That would mean more big PFs and centers in the game. I think we're seeing a rebound of the big man, only this time that big is going to have attributes outside of the conventional size and one major strength.

[Barfunk]

Rubberneck and neck game thus far......

[Tyronn Lue]

Michael Porter Jr = Jeff Ayres

[benefactor]

Joker out there coaching. The Heat may have the advantage in the HC department, but they don't have a coach out there on the floor lining everyone out moment to moment

[ambchang]

How is what you're doing any different? Overachieved according to what or whom? All media driven narrative to take the the majority of the credit that should go to young, mostly black players and instead hand it to old, mostly white coaches.

Next time a coach got a larger pay cheque than the MLE you let me know, OK? This is just getting beyond stupid as your "argument" doesn't even have to do with the topic at hand. I have shown multiple examples where coaching did make a difference, you have offered nothing but hyperbole.


Bowen and Green were always 3 and D wings. Credit Pop for seeing the value of them before it became common place, but credit Duncan, Parker and Ginobili far more for being able to help perimeter players with limited ball skills thrive in significant roles and of course themselves for their rise from relative obscurity to prominence.

So did Pop see the value and integrate them in the system or not? Funny you mentioned Duncan, Parker and Ginobili because they had countless quotes crediting the importance of Popovich. BTW, the big three gets plenty of credit for the 4/5 titles.


Again, dense. If the other 29 teams spend X amount on whatever area of the business, if you're not at least in the same neighborhood, you look like a joke.

We are not talking about 29 teams, we are talking about close to 80 years of league history, where teams went from barely having a coach, to player coaches, to full time coaches, to larger and larger coaching staffs.

And since when did looking like a joke stop teams from going outside of the norm? Mike Fratello slowing the game to a crawl with the Cavs were largely laughed at and criticized, he kept at it because they didn't have much talent. Mike D'antoni pulled in a SSoL game when the league was all dump it low type game, teams hiring trainers, taking on ,then going away from dancers, jumbotrons, different executive roles. Some of them stick, some of them don't, you know which ones stuck? The ones that make the team more money. I do not see any teams even trying to reduce the coaching staff size, the only teams that cheap out (like the Sterling Clippers) ended up playing like ass, and no teams followed it.

[MultiTroll]

HeatRef with a couple laughable calls on Jokic.

See where this ones headed.

[FrostKing]

Just got home

What's the story of the 1st Half

[GAustex]

just no answer for the Big Sweaty!

[MultiTroll]

Just got home

What's the story of the 1st Half
Denver
Jokic and Gordon carrying the O, particularly Gordons shooting. Joker nailed a couple super long treys and is somewhat doing the primary assist thing like Game 1.

Miami
some good ball movement strategry. Also Jimmy Buckets with his foul grifting per par.

Undisputable: 2 foul calls on Joker were so obviously bogus. We're talking Kirby Bryant / Golden Phaggots level riggin. Not sure why Malone did not challenge both of them, particularly the 1st. Lowry beats his man on a drive for the layup and Joker concedes. Don't think he literally even touched him. How obvious? Jeff Van Grunt stated "this could be challenged."

Next Bam does the age old wrap your man up and pull him down by his elbow(s). Replays clear as day. Malone again no challege.
Mission accomplshed, 2 fouls on Joker. Look for more to make it close or even give Miami the win.

[benefactor]

Just got home

What's the story of the 1st Half
More of the same. The better team is winning

[FrostKing]

Denver
Jokic and Gordon carrying the O, particularly Gordons shooting. Joker nailed a couple super long treys and is somewhat doing the primary assist thing like Game 1.

Miami
some good ball movement strategry. Also Jimmy Buckets with his foul grifting per par.

Undisputable: 2 foul calls on Joker were so obviously bogus. We're talking Kirby Bryant / Golden Phaggots level riggin. Not sure why Malone did not challenge both of them, particularly the 1st. Lowry beats his man on a drive for the layup and Joker concedes. Don't think he literally even touched him. How obvious? Jeff Van Grunt stated "this could be challenged."

Next Bam does the age old wrap your man up and pull him down by his elbow(s). Replays clear as day. Malone again no challege.
Mission accomplshed, 2 fouls on Joker. Look for more to make it close or even give Miami the win.
Excellent. Appreciate the recap amigo.

[MultiTroll]

Stop forcing the O thru Murray.

Malone is sad.

[benefactor]

The Heat are swinging hard but they are just outgunned tbh. They won't win another game.

[timtonymanu]

That Miami dynasty for next 2-3 years looks good.

[MultiTroll]

Murrays off night shooting now returns to being ball distributor.

Thank you.

Denver shooting hot.
Miami answering, but Denver just aint missing.

[MultiTroll]

There ya go.

Completely bogus foul call to give Joker his 5th.

[benefactor]

:lol that bullshit ass call

[lefty]

What a fucking flop

and fuck Foster, the series extender

[timtonymanu]

This bias officiating for Miami :lol

[timtonymanu]

Aids Silver needs more games, more money.

[MultiTroll]

:lol WWE

[Tyronn Lue]

Wow, something to be said that the Heat struggle for 3 quarters then get all these foul calls in the 4th.

[lefty]

:lol Jewba

[FkLA]

FT merchant throwing his body into the smaller defender and getting the call per par tbh

[Kawhitstorm]

MiamiRefs have already booked a date with their escorts in south beach :sleep

[Tyronn Lue]

Dynasty in Miami for the next 4 or 5 years

[Tyronn Lue]

When Miami wins game 1 tonight, you will change your tune quickly. The series will be over after that as Miami isn’t giving away anymore home losses.
:lol

[lefty20]

Dynasty in Miami for the next 4 or 5 years

All they gotta do is figure out how to not beat themselves, tbh.

[Tyronn Lue]

All they gotta do is figure out how to not beat themselves, tbh.
Did you see that dunk by Bam? You know they are going into Denver fired up after that. Jimmy B will bring it back to Miami never looking back. Miami in 7. Stoked!!

[timtonymanu]

Lol ST going offline the same time T2Z probably killed himself watching Miami get their shit pushed in by Bruce Brown

[horseshue]

Haven't anything heard from TtoZO for some time. Hope he is ok. :lol Miami in 7 right?

[GAustex]

Bruce Brown got shot out of a cannon

[Arcadian]

Remember, the 2014 Spurs lost a close game 2 at home before winning three straight blowouts. Just saying.

Let's see if they can bring it home in game 5 like the '14 Spurs did.

[TIMMYtoZO]

That was a frustrating loss last night. Got Jokic in foul trouble and shut Murray down and let scrubs like Gordon and Brown dominate. It’s really concerning how Miami continues to fuck this up. The series is slipping away from them but it’s far from over. Miami is a great road team though. Looks like they gotta be the champs in Denver.

[MultiTroll]

Got Jokic in foul trouble
Ya we all witnessed that.
Do tell how you think Miami "got" Jokic in foul trouble.
:corn:

[horseshue]

That was a frustrating loss last night. Got Jokic in foul trouble and shut Murray down and let scrubs like Gordon and Brown dominate. It’s really concerning how Miami continues to fuck this up. The series is slipping away from them but it’s far from over. Miami is a great road team though. Looks like they gotta be the champs in Denver.

Your guys have lost 6 of last 8 games. Denver has won 9 of last 10. Fun fact - this was second best scoring game for you in this series. Everyone knows where this is going. But i get you, you have to belive in your team, even if it's delusional.

[Spurs Homer]

miami sucks balls...why beat boston who probably would have made this a better series - although fuck boston too...

just no one to root for anymore...

[RC_Drunkford]

:lol No. Heat win games 3/4. Nuggets win game 5 and Miami ends it at home in 6. Denver literally has no chance in hell of winning in South Beach. They lost the series last night.

:lmao :lmao

[FrostKing]

That was a frustrating loss last night. Got Jokic in foul trouble and shut Murray down and let scrubs like Gordon and Brown dominate. It’s really concerning how Miami continues to fuck this up. The series is slipping away from them but it’s far from over. Miami is a great road team though. Looks like they gotta be the champs in Denver.
Gordon is solid and a disaster matchup for Miami (as well as most NBA teams today) but yah Brown/Braun have played too well @ Miami. On the flip side Heat role players haven't improved and arguably shrunk at Home. That's been very surprising.

Maybe Heat have just run outta gas. Same happened to the Phillies in the '22 World Series. At this point we are nearly 2 months into the Postseason. That's alot of close games, road games etc for a team that likely is inferior in overall talent.

[Tyronn Lue]

Props to TtZ for at least making the game thread interesting.

[lebomb]

Denver!!! I said in 6, but it looks like 5.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Gordon is solid and a disaster matchup for Miami (as well as most NBA teams today) but yah Brown/Braun have played too well @ Miami. On the flip side Heat role players haven't improved and arguably shrunk at Home. That's been very surprising.

Maybe Heat have just run outta gas. Same happened to the Phillies in the '22 World Series. At this point we are nearly 2 months into the Postseason. That's alot of close games, road games etc for a team that likely is inferior in overall talent.

Those 2 extra play in games certainly didn’t help matters. Then up 3-0 vs Boston and allowing that series to go 7 was even worse. Add in the injuries to Oladipo/Herro as well. If Miami somehow doesn’t win this series, they will retool this roster a little. They have tradeable assets and a good fucking core.

[Chris Fall]

Heat have won by being tougher and some guys playing way over their heads, not because of talent. It's not the ideal situation, but they certainly deserve credit for having gotten this far. Winning by sheer will at this level is impressive, usually not sustainable

Miami needs to add another primary scorer capable of consistently scoring 20-25 a game in the playoffs. Maybe Herro could have possibly been that idk. And they need an additional big who has legitimate center size and can get up and down the court. Needing to rely on a 6'8, 50 year old Kevin Love to match up against Denver's size was always going to be just a loose band-aid.

[Spurs Homer]

miami fucking sucks -

this was as close as they will ever sniff another finals -and now -

it will be maybe after riley is dead and maybe 50 years from now

[daslicer]

miami fucking sucks -

this was as close as they will ever sniff another finals -and now -

it will be maybe after riley is dead and maybe 50 years from now

I agree with you that their run was fluky but Miami will always have a chance every decade to be a contender simply because of their location. This allows them to attract players through free agency or trades. As long as they have good management it will be easy for them to build a team.

[TD 21]

Next time a coach got a larger pay cheque than the MLE you let me know, OK? I have shown multiple examples where coaching did make a difference, you have offered nothing but hyperbole.

Again conflating credit with contract, when that's clearly not what I was talking about.

No, you haven't. You've decided because either in your opinion or the one the national media foisted upon you at the time, that those were examples of coaching "making a difference" (while mostly speaking in generalities), but you can't prove anything.



So did Pop see the value and integrate them in the system or not? Funny you mentioned Duncan, Parker and Ginobili because they had countless quotes crediting the importance of Popovich. BTW, the big three gets plenty of credit for the 4/5 titles.

In general, not "in the system". Role players with positional size who can shoot and defend were always valuable, it was just rare to see perimeter players with such limited ball skills in relatively significant roles.

Of course they did. Man, you're dense and naive. You really don't seem to understand how this song and dance works. The big three receive little credit relative to comparable situations, because it's all about the "culture" and "system" here.


We are not talking about 29 teams, we are talking about close to 80 years of league history, where teams went from barely having a coach, to player coaches, to full time coaches, to larger and larger coaching staffs.

We are. We're talking about keeping up with modern practice's. Everyone is looking for every little edge they can find, real or perceived.

But again, the notion that certain ones know something others don't x's and o's wise, is absurd, as is that veteran or high IQ players require them.

[MultiTroll]

Refs, particularly Foster.

In rigging those calls to get Joker out, and not merely the 5th but the 1st two foul calls......
Were they hoping to land the win to Miami but Denver was simply too good, particularly Gorden and Browns shooting

or

Were they just attempting to affect the line?

[FkLA]

Heat have won by being tougher and some guys playing way over their heads, not because of talent. It's not the ideal situation, but they certainly deserve credit for having gotten this far. Winning by sheer will at this level is impressive, usually not sustainable

Miami needs to add another primary scorer capable of consistently scoring 20-25 a game in the playoffs. Maybe Herro could have possibly been that idk. And they need an additional big who has legitimate center size and can get up and down the court. Needing to rely on a 6'8, 50 year old Kevin Love to match up against Denver's size was always going to be just a loose band-aid.

They lack a true elite #1. Butler just hunts the mismatch on a smaller defender. If he can't get that favorable matchup he just defers. Most guys with good size/mobility (like Gordon) force him to defer. Shit even some elite smaller defenders can give him trouble (DWhite).

True #1s it doesn't really matter who you put on them. They will get theirs.

[TIMMYtoZO]

They lack a true elite #1. Butler just hunts the mismatch on a smaller defender. If he can't get that favorable matchup he just defers. Most guys with good size/mobility (like Gordon) force him to defer. Shit even some elite smaller defenders can give him trouble (DWhite).

True #1s it doesn't really matter who you put on them. They will get theirs.


That’s absolute bullshit. Butler is a top 5 player in the league. I fucking can’t wait for Miami to win this shit in 7 with Butler winning Finals MVP. This is gonna be poetic. Your Spurs haven’t been worth a shit for over a decade now. Enjoy your #1 bust.

[lefty20]

That’s absolute bullshit. Butler is a top 5 player in the league. I fucking can’t wait for Miami to win this shit in 7 with Butler winning Finals MVP. This is gonna be poetic. Your Spurs haven’t been worth a shit for over a decade now. Enjoy your #1 bust.

Why doesn't Spo just tell his team to stop beating themselves? Is he stupid?

[GAustex]

Big Serb is best player and makes his teammates better
Heat not this year.

[baseline bum]

I agree with you that their run was fluky but Miami will always have a chance every decade to be a contender simply because of their location. This allows them to attract players through free agency or trades. As long as they have good management it will be easy for them to build a team.

That good management dies when Riley is done. Look at how dipshit Mickey Arison blew up that team nine years ago by amnestying Mike Miller and pissing LeBron off.

[FkLA]

Holy shit Joker :worthy:


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[FrostKing]

Florida Panthers down 1-3 in the Stanley Cup Finals

[LakerHater]

Denver in 5, Shits over, Miami flukey run is finally over!!!

[timtonymanu]

That’s absolute bullshit. Butler is a top 5 player in the league. I fucking can’t wait for Miami to win this shit in 7 with Butler winning Finals MVP. This is gonna be poetic. Your Spurs haven’t been worth a shit for over a decade now. Enjoy your #1 bust.

The spurs last title wasn’t even 10 years ago. Miami’s last title was even earlier than theirs. I hope you’re here for game 5 though. Miami can still win in 7.

[Tyronn Lue]

Refs, particularly Foster.

In rigging those calls to get Joker out, and not merely the 5th but the 1st two foul calls......
Were they hoping to land the win to Miami but Denver was simply too good, particularly Gorden and Browns shooting

or

Were they just attempting to affect the line?
This is less corrosive to the NBA. One thing is for sure, the eyeball test says the officiating crew moves as a team, so you hear "letting them play" and "calling it close" a lot. If it wasn't a directive, different refs would call differently. It seems they have a game plan but in almost every instance you can find another explanation.

[TIMMYtoZO]

The spurs last title wasn’t even 10 years ago. Miami’s last title was even earlier than theirs. I hope you’re here for game 5 though. Miami can still win in 7.

The Heat will absolutely win in 7. Like I said, I hate they are in this position but they do play their best in elimination games. I know this will happen starting tomorrow night. Butler will have dominant games the rest of this series and the players will play inspired by it.

[Tyronn Lue]

The Heat will absolutely win in 7. Like I said, I hate they are in this position but they do play their best in elimination games. I know this will happen starting tomorrow night. Butler will have dominant games the rest of this series and the players will play inspired by it.
Butler isn't even as good as Murray and Bam is nowhere close to Jokic. They both have some highlight style plays and haven't seemed to buy in to the fact that the scoreboard doesn't care how cool your dunk was. You can tell by how they both are now trying to fool the refs that they realize they cannot beat Denver in a 7 game series. When a team's best players start to resort to fuckery, you know desperation has set in and they've mentally surrendered from the actual competition.

[lebomb]

The Heat will absolutely win in 7. Like I said, I hate they are in this position but they do play their best in elimination games. I know this will happen starting tomorrow night. Butler will have dominant games the rest of this series and the players will play inspired by it.

I love you heart and support for Miami, bur its over.

[TIMMYtoZO]

I agree with you that their run was fluky but Miami will always have a chance every decade to be a contender simply because of their location. This allows them to attract players through free agency or trades. As long as they have good management it will be easy for them to build a team.

Nikola Jovic is going to be a great future piece for Miami. Kid has tons of upside.

[ambchang]

Again conflating credit with contract, when that's clearly not what I was talking about.

No, you haven't. You've decided because either in your opinion or the one the national media foisted upon you at the time, that those were examples of coaching "making a difference" (while mostly speaking in generalities), but you can't prove anything.




In general, not "in the system". Role players with positional size who can shoot and defend were always valuable, it was just rare to see perimeter players with such limited ball skills in relatively significant roles.

Of course they did. Man, you're dense and naive. You really don't seem to understand how this song and dance works. The big three receive little credit relative to comparable situations, because it's all about the "culture" and "system" here.



We are. We're talking about keeping up with modern practice's. Everyone is looking for every little edge they can find, real or perceived.

But again, the notion that certain ones know something others don't x's and o's wise, is absurd, as is that veteran or high IQ players require them.

Still zero examples on your end. All the examples on my end is some conspiracy theory going on for 80 years.

[TD 21]

Still zero examples on your end. All the examples on my end is some conspiracy theory going on for 80 years.

There are no "examples". As I said, I can't "prove" it doesn't any more than you can prove it does. Given that they all know the game like the back of their hand and the style of play is mostly homogenized, it's common sense.

I never said anything about a "conspiracy theory", you're apparently too naive to know that there's a game within' a game (national media) that goes on.

[TIMMYtoZO]

That good management dies when Riley is done. Look at how dipshit Mickey Arison blew up that team nine years ago by amnestying Mike Miller and pissing LeBron off.

Fuck Arison. Lebron took a fucking paycut to go to Miami so they could sign someone like Miller. Miller was vital to Miami’s title runs. I was truly livid when that dumbass made that move.

[baseline bum]

Fuck Arison. Lebron took a fucking paycut to go to Miami so they could sign someone like Miller. Miller was vital to Miami’s title runs. I was truly livid when that dumbass made that move.

Wade and Bosh did too. I can't imagine how angry LeBron was seeing Chalmers and Cole go ice cold from three and not having Miller there to take their completely non productive minutes in the 2014 Finals.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Heat will absolutely lose in 5. Like I said, I'm a delusional bum. I know this will happen starting tomorrow night. Jokic will have another dominant game and it's over.

FIFY

[ambchang]

There are no "examples". As I said, I can't "prove" it doesn't any more than you can prove it does. Given that they all know the game like the back of their hand and the style of play is mostly homogenized, it's common sense.

I never said anything about a "conspiracy theory", you're apparently too naive to know that there's a game within' a game (national media) that goes on.

And of course, they do not know the game as much as you perceive, and the game has seen drastic changes in playing styles due to rule changes. Former players, top notch ones too, have shown to be inept in the front office and as coaches.

Yes, because blaming the national media isn't conspiracy theory, because I am sure the national media is getting kick backs and all kinds of advantages by pressuring front offices around the league to dish out millions upon millions, every single year on coaching staffs/. Makes perfect sense.

[ambchang]

TIMMYtoZO, no worries, Miami only need some shots to fall and beat a team they were supposed to beat, and there would be nothing to see, no need for some crazy celebration because the Heat will just shoot some shots and make some shots, then make some shots like they are supposed to.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Miami getting Dame this offseason will be a pretty nice move tbh.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Wade and Bosh did too. I can't imagine how angry LeBron was seeing Chalmers and Cole go ice cold from three and not having Miller there to take their completely non productive minutes in the 2014 Finals.

They also replaced Miller with fucking Rashard Lewis. :lol

[TD 21]

And of course, they do not know the game as much as you perceive, and the game has seen drastic changes in playing styles due to rule changes. Former players, top notch ones too, have shown to be inept in the front office and as coaches.

Yes, because blaming the national media isn't conspiracy theory, because I am sure the national media is getting kick backs and all kinds of advantages by pressuring front offices around the league to dish out millions upon millions, every single year on coaching staffs/. Makes perfect sense.

I didn't say "former players", I said coaches. Anyone coaching in the league in any capacity is well versed in the x's and o's, terminology, strength, weaknesses and tendencies of personal, etc.

Your lack of basic reading comprehension is appalling. Again, not how I meant it. As I've alluded to, the national media's job is to acquire information and they do that by establishing relationships with people in various capacities throughout the league.

The ones who play along, they do things for, like continually pushing a narrative that paints certain coaches as geniuses and oftentimes group think sets in and perception becomes reality.

[spurs10]

That’s absolute bullshit. Butler is a top 5 player in the league. I fucking can’t wait for Miami to win this shit in 7 with Butler winning Finals MVP. This is gonna be poetic. Your Spurs haven’t been worth a shit for over a decade now. Enjoy your #1 bust. Yeah 10 years is a long time not to win a 'ship.

[ambchang]

I didn't say "former players", I said coaches. Anyone coaching in the league in any capacity is well versed in the x's and o's, terminology, strength, weaknesses and tendencies of personal, etc.

Your lack of basic reading comprehension is appalling. Again, not how I meant it. As I've alluded to, the national media's job is to acquire information and they do that by establishing relationships with people in various capacities throughout the league.

The ones who play along, they do things for, like continually pushing a narrative that paints certain coaches as geniuses and oftentimes group think sets in and perception becomes reality.

So coaches matter.


And it’s shocking how you’d think coaching is all about X’s and O’s and basic technicalities. It’s a people manager role.

[Tyronn Lue]

Miami getting Dame this offseason will be a pretty nice move tbh.
Sure, he's done so much in the league other than shooting the ball.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Sure, he's done so much in the league other than shooting the ball.

Dame with Miami recreates the Heatles. Riley is planning on adding a star this offseason. A week from tonight, the Heat will be champs then get even stronger in the offseason. Fun times ahead.

[GAustex]

What is gonna happen is Bam gonna get a big ol sweaty Serbian armpit in his face as Joker hangs a triple double on Heat

[MultiTroll]

What is gonna happen is Bam gonna get a big ol sweaty Serbian armpit in his face as Joker hangs a triple double on Heat
:rollin

[TD 21]

So coaches matter.


And it’s shocking how you’d think coaching is all about X’s and O’s and basic technicalities. It’s a people manager role.

In your opinion.

That was clearly the portion I've been alluding to. As far the portion you now are, that one is more debatable, but I'm still skeptical because it also can't be quantified, we're not privy to it and I strongly suspect the best player(s)/leader(s) of the team generally plays the biggest role in it.

[Donald Sterling.]

TimmytoZo dusting off his account after a decade, only to fade back into obscurity shortly after.

Shortest bandwagon in ST history :lol

[Tyronn Lue]

Dame with Miami recreates the Heatles. Riley is planning on adding a star this offseason. A week from tonight, the Heat will be champs then get even stronger in the offseason. Fun times ahead.
You should quell the hyperbole. No one here, not even you, believes Lillard/Butler/Bam in Miami mimics Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Allen. Lillard's allure is that he stayed with Portland after others abandoned it. If he leaves Portland he's just another journeyman like Harden who is chasing something. He's not the answer. There are very few players in the league who change a team's trajectory that much. Durant in Miami might make a difference, but not Lillard.

[timtonymanu]

TimmytoZo dusting off his account after a decade, only to fade back into obscurity shortly after.

Shortest bandwagon in ST history :lol

TtoZo’s peak was 2013. When all Spurs fans had to go through “It still hurts.” :cry and he swore on his life Miami would win in 2013 and it happened in the most “lol Spurs” way possible. I hated him so much back then with his trolling but it’s just hilarious now since the Spurs have no reason to hate Miami now.

[MultiTroll]

Durant in Miami might make a difference, but not Lillard.
Durbetta is going to try to force his way to Denver. :lmao

[Tyronn Lue]

Durbetta is going to try to force his way to Denver. :lmao
He's probably looking at both. He went to GS after they lost to us.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Oh shit! Tyler Herro is returning tonight. That’s a huge boost to this team and will motivate these guys. Miami’s got this. Herro is Miami’s X-Factor. This is a big fucking deal.

[TIMMYtoZO]

This team has been playing with their heads up their asses. Miami finally got the spark they need to win this shit! It’s gonna fucking happen! Fuck this is euphoric news! Fuck yes!

[lefty20]

This team has been playing with their heads up their asses. Miami finally got the spark they need to win this shit! It’s gonna fucking happen! Fuck this is euphoric news! Fuck yes!

Took Miami @ +340 for tonight.

You gonna cover if they lose, right?

[TIMMYtoZO]

Took Miami @ +340 for tonight.

You gonna cover if they lose, right?

Miami isn’t losing another game the rest of this season. I swear on my life.

[ambchang]

In your opinion.

That was clearly the portion I've been alluding to. As far the portion you now are, that one is more debatable, but I'm still skeptical because it also can't be quantified, we're not privy to it and I strongly suspect the best player(s)/leader(s) of the team generally plays the biggest role in it.
Suspect. Ok.

[lefty20]

That Miami offense... they've gone full regular season mode.

[Tyronn Lue]

Miami isn’t losing another game the rest of this season. I swear on my life.
You going to ELE this alt if they do?

[GAustex]

What is gonna happen is Bam gonna get a big ol sweaty Serbian armpit in his face as Joker hangs a triple double on Heat

[Barfunk]

Jokic with 2 fouls in the 1$t quarter

[LakerHater]

Joker in foul trouble early.

Heat wins this 1!

[TIMMYtoZO]

Jokic with 2 fouls in the 1$t quarter

Yep. Back to South Beach we go!

[TIMMYtoZO]

Joker in foul trouble early.

Heat wins this 1!

This nigga knows Miami in 7.

[timtonymanu]

They couldn't make this more blatantly obvious lol. Jokic, Gordon and Jeff Green with 2 fouls.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Bam is so fucking good. He is a rich man’s Ben Wallace. He is OWNING Jokic tonight and proving he is a top 5 elite bigman. So happy he is on my team.

[Tyronn Lue]

Joker was in foul trouble in game 4. Heat still won in basically a blowout. You never know which team will show up, but you know their records of showing up.

[Kawhitstorm]

Bam can’t win with “playoff” Buttler:music

[Dex]

They couldn't make this more blatantly obvious lol. Jokic, Gordon and Jeff Green with 2 fouls.

NBA doing some early fouls to make this look respectable.

Nuggets will pull away in the 4th quarter.

Denver in 5.

[Tyronn Lue]

This group on the floor for Denver has no idea how to penetrate the zone.

[LakerHater]

All these fouls & FTs for Miami are comical.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Joker was in foul trouble in game 4. Heat still won in basically a blowout. You never know which team will show up, but you know their records of showing up.

It’s over man. Back to South Beach. Just accept it and embrace it.

[GAustex]

Best Miami player Heatref has shown up big time tonight

[Tyronn Lue]

All these fouls & FTs for Miami are comical.
The fouls will be somewhat even by the end of the game and only folks who deep dive into the situational fouls and their implications will see the disparity.

[Barfunk]

Nuggets can't throw it in the ocean from 3 and the Skeet's free throw offense has been on point. 10 point game.

[Barfunk]

The Nuggets are without question the better team, but if the Skeet can keep Jokic in foul trouble, they might have a chance this game. The Salami Sheet also have had one of the greatest free throw offenses in NBA Finals history, so if they can channel that, they'll definitely have a chance.

[LakerHater]

Lowery flopping all over the place :rollin

[Tyronn Lue]

Nuggets with spotlight jitters. If they settle down the 2nd half could be bad for Miami.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Game over. Miami in complete control. I know my team so fucking well. Denver choking under real adversity.

[Dex]

Lowery flopping all over the place :rollin

The flops are bad enough...but I get it, it could potentially draw the whistle.

But the embellishing afterwards...laying on the ground like you got shot, then suddenly you are back on your feet and playing defense two plays later is what drives me crazy

[TIMMYtoZO]

The Nuggets are without question the better team, but if the Skeet can keep Jokic in foul trouble, they might have a chance this game. The Salami Sheet also have had one of the greatest free throw offenses in NBA Finals history, so if they can channel that, they'll definitely have a chance.

Admit it man. Deep down you fucking know Miami is winning this in 7. Your passive posts are truly evident of that.

[lefty20]

Game over. Miami in complete control. I know my team so fucking well. Denver choking under real adversity.

So, you're saying that I shouldn't cash out my bet for some gtd profit then?

[MultiTroll]

Does Malone not believe in using challenges?

FFS ball out of bounds clearly off Butler and Malone stays silent.

[MultiTroll]

The flops are bad enough...but I get it, it could potentially draw the whistle.

But the embellishing afterwards...laying on the ground like you got shot, then suddenly you are back on your feet and playing defense two plays later is what drives me crazy
Ditto his :cry*I waz shooting*:cry charade on an attempt to get 3 more bogus FTs.

[LakerHater]

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