The Sidekick is Bilal Coulibaly !!!! [Archive]

rascal

06-01-2023, 10:32 AM

He’s a wing. Vassell, Branham, Johnson, and to some extent Sochan gobble up the minutes there. If the Spurs trade up for Coulibaly, who do they discard to make room?

Anyone, Spurs aren't stuck with the current roster.

All players are replaceable if better players/fits around Wemby are found.

MultiTroll

06-01-2023, 10:36 AM

He’s a wing. Vassell, Branham, Johnson, and to some extent Sochan gobble up the minutes there. If the Spurs trade up for Coulibaly, who do they discard to make room?KJ

A team that drinks the koolaid of Coached by Pop / Team USA gold in the World Commercial Games.

Ed Helicopter Jones

06-01-2023, 10:36 AM

I mean, if Wemby blesses it you make it happen. Spurs certainly have enough draft capital to go get him. The Bucks have paid Giannis's sh!tty brother(s) to be on the roster for how long now? This guy at least would contribute at some point.

Extra Stout

06-01-2023, 10:41 AM

I mean, if Wemby blesses it you make it happen. Spurs certainly have enough draft capital to go get him. The Bucks have paid Giannis's sh!tty brothers to be on the roster for how long now? This guy at least would contribute at some point.
How high do you think they’d have to trade up to get him? Dallas at 10? Orlando at 11? I’ve seen mock drafts with him as high as 13. Is that credible? Or do you think Utah at 16 would do it? Or even lower?

And how many FRP’s would you be willing to trade to get him? Which ones?

Ed Helicopter Jones

06-01-2023, 10:48 AM

How high do you think they’d have to trade up to get him? Dallas at 10? Orlando at 11? I’ve seen mock drafts with him as high as 13. Is that credible? Or do you think Utah at 16 would do it? Or even lower?

And how many FRP’s would you be willing to trade to get him? Which ones?

The CBS mock draft has him 27. NBAdraftnet has him 14. Utah's pick might get him depending on how the draft goes. A couple of our own future firsts might be worth it if we really think we'll be relevant again in a couple of seasons. Two lower half of the first round picks might be worth a player of his caliber. Heck, throw in an asset or two, or some of the bucket of seconds we own. It depends on if the Spurs see him as that valuable to Wemby's future and the team's success I suppose. If he's a piece that would cement Wemby in San Antonio it probably justifies the move.

MultiTroll

06-01-2023, 11:27 AM

I think you're automatically eligible once the boxes are checked.
Which boxes?

USA doesn't allow 18 anymore.

RC_Drunkford

06-01-2023, 11:37 AM

I'm really high on this kid. 18 and already a starter on a french playoff team. 2-way potential.

He’s a wing. Vassell, Branham, Johnson, and to some extent Sochan gobble up the minutes there. If the Spurs trade up for Coulibaly, who do they discard to make room?

That doesn't matter. You can play 4 wings in the rotation and Bilal will need some time until he breaks out.

BatManu20

06-01-2023, 12:33 PM

BKN has both the 21st & 22nd picks in the First Round. He’s projected in that range, and they might be willing to trade one of em. Would prob cost the Spurs 2 Firsts though and I’m not sure this kid warrants that. He hasn’t stood out much in the Mets92 games I’ve watched recently, granted I just started watching after the lottery.

Stump

06-01-2023, 01:03 PM

I'd rather Wemby bond with his new teammates rather than potentially catch littermate syndrome.

JPB

06-01-2023, 01:20 PM

I'm really high on this kid. 18 and already a starter on a french playoff team. 2-way potential.

That doesn't matter. You can play 4 wings in the rotation and Bilal will need some time until he breaks out.

Yup, and the three of Devin, Keldon and Bilal can play 2/3. It's perfectly possible to pair them. Bilal difference and real NBA potential being in defense for now. The rest can come up progressively if it has to. He's really athletic, fast with a nice BBIQ. I can see his first years as a defensive specialist getting the bulk of his points in fast break, put back dunks or ally oops + the occasional corner 3.

Extra Stout

06-01-2023, 01:23 PM

Yup, and the three of Devin, Keldon and Bilal can play 2/3. It's perfectly possible to pair them. Bilal difference and real NBA potential being in defense for now. The rest can come up progressively if it has to. He's really athletic, fast with a nice BBIQ. I can see his first years as a defensive specialist getting the bulk of points in fast break, put back dunks or ally oops + the occasional corner 3.
In that case, don’t you need to discard Malaki? You can only develop so many players at once. Or do you make him play out of position at PG?

MultiTroll

06-01-2023, 01:43 PM

Pair this baby Jordan-like with The Tower and you can smell them trophies................
Is Bilal eligible or not?

All drafted players must be at least 19 years old during the calendar year of the draft.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eligibility_for_the_NBA_draft#cite_note-CBA_Age-14) To determine whether a player is eligible for a given year's draft, subtract 19 from the year of the draft. If the player was born during or before that year, he is eligible. If a player is less than 19, add 19 to the year he was born.

-granted this is Wiki, i have not checked NBA.com

wildbill2u

06-01-2023, 01:47 PM

I'd rather Wemby bond with his new teammates rather than potentially catch littermate syndrome.

Wasn't Sean Marks a "sidekick" of some famous player and went with him as a package deal?? I know someone will know without me trying to find it.

Seventyniner

06-01-2023, 01:57 PM

If the Spurs like a prospect enough and they're right in their assessment, like with Number Two, what we consider an overpay wouldn't actually be one. If the Spurs had sent a future first with George Hill and only gotten Number Two (without Bertans), it still would have ended up being a steal.

I get that you don't want to overpay in general because not every player you trade up for will be a hit, let alone a home run. But I trust the Spurs FO enough that if they appear to pay too much for a pick, that they had a good reason to do so and could end up turning it into a great trade.

Obstructed_View

06-01-2023, 01:58 PM

I know Antonio Daniels and Tim Duncan were tight. Tim wasn't happy to see AD traded, but they won the title in 03 thanks to help from Steve Kerr, so Timmy probably felt better after that.

Mr. Body

06-01-2023, 02:18 PM

Wasn't Sean Marks a "sidekick" of some famous player and went with him as a package deal?? I know someone will know without me trying to find it.

Jack Haley and Dennis Rodman?

JPB

06-01-2023, 03:03 PM

In that case, don’t you need to discard Malaki? You can only develop so many players at once. Or do you make him play out of position at PG?

Devin, Keldon, Malaki and Bilal can pair or rotate for the 2-3 spots.

The Truth #6

06-01-2023, 03:36 PM

KJ could get traded. DV could have injuries. 6’7” players are good to have in the pipeline. I’m intrigued by Bilal but don’t want to throw away too many assets to get him, either.

TD 21

06-01-2023, 05:05 PM

That doesn't matter. You can play 4 wings in the rotation and Bilal will need some time until he breaks out.

That, Branham is more guard than wing and Sochan is more half big/wing, so it's more like 2.5 wings.

Langford and Bates-Diop (half big/wing) will almost certainly not be retained, leaving only McDermott and presumably Champagnie as other options.

Given that and the projected top options available, if they retain the 33rd pick, there's probably a good chance it'll be a wing.

SpursFan86

06-01-2023, 05:51 PM

https://twitter.com/noceilingsnba/status/1664371788527316992?s=46&t=7J7PSnY8RJS8_UemWCmgcA

If this is true could be a pretty costly sidekick…

CGD

06-01-2023, 05:57 PM

https://twitter.com/noceilingsnba/status/1664371788527316992?s=46&t=7J7PSnY8RJS8_UemWCmgcA

If this is true could be a pretty costly sidekick…

Not surprising in the least. Someone was going to fall in love with him

JPB

06-01-2023, 06:02 PM

https://twitter.com/noceilingsnba/status/1664371788527316992?s=46&t=7J7PSnY8RJS8_UemWCmgcA

If this is true could be a pretty costly sidekick…

"I've heard there are rumors" from some no name guy with 5K followers on Twitter... Expect a lot of that stuff in the coming weeks, sometimes from agents.

paperboy77

06-01-2023, 06:03 PM

Heard this on one of the Spurs podcasts as a possibility. Shit we need to do whatever will make Wemby stay in SA.

Dude looks like he can definitely play. Stock will definitely rise if he can show he has a pretty good left hand as well.

tonight...you

06-01-2023, 06:06 PM

Jack Haley and Dennis Rodman?
Worst handler ever.
Haley also looked like a pink Shrek.

mystargtr34

06-01-2023, 06:06 PM

It’s probably the Raptors or Thunder imo. Seems like a Masai type of pick.

SpursFan86

06-01-2023, 06:07 PM

"I've heard there are rumors" from some no name guy with 5K followers on Twitter... Expect a lot of that stuff in the coming weeks, sometimes from agents.

It was a quote from Jonathan Wasserman who’s one of the main draft guys for BleacherReport. Not saying his word is gospel but he has a decent amount of credibility in NBA draft circles.

scott

06-01-2023, 09:30 PM

This is getting Jalen Williams vibes to me. Started out as a "we should get him at 25" then went to "he's a target at 20" to "maybe we can move up to get him at 13" to pick picked #12. Sadly, I don't think it's gonna happen for us.

BackHome

06-01-2023, 11:20 PM

thiste

06-01-2023, 11:30 PM

Bilal's stock is definitely on the up, just like Anthony Black. It's going to be difficult to target them.

SpursIndonesia

06-02-2023, 01:44 AM

also such a cool name !

Is he a muslim ? ;)

John B

06-02-2023, 02:40 AM

Tankathon just came out with new mock has him going 25 to the Grizzlies- I don’t see the Jalen Williams comparison as he was balling in college and he killed it the NBA combine scrimmages. To me to many unknowns on him so high 25 sounds right to me.

If he’s in the 25 range, I think it’s wise to target him and make Victor happy. There’s an interview where Victor really built-up this kid calling him a very important player of their team. I like him but how much would you give l for him? Is he more priority than getting a defensive true PG?

BG_Spurs_Fan

06-02-2023, 03:26 AM

He's probably got a promise in the late lottery, I'd expect Orlando at 11 or Toronto.

Bruno

06-02-2023, 03:53 AM

Is Bilal eligible or not?

International players born in 2001 are automatically eligible (like college seniors). International players born in 2002, 2003 and 2004 must apply to be in the draft.

Bilal Coulibaly (born in 2004) has applied to enter in this draft and has until June 12th to withdraw his name.

You can find the whole list of early entrants here:
https://www.nba.com/news/nba-draft-2023-early-entry-candidates

JPB

06-02-2023, 11:21 AM

It’s probably the Raptors or Thunder imo. Seems like a Masai type of pick.

Or Presti indeed, and if true, makes it tricky to trade up there. Now I'm sure spurs have a perfect appreciation of Bilal and would know if that's worth doing it.

Brazil

06-02-2023, 02:41 PM

Is he a muslim ? ;)

I'm not sure :lol but it's possible

BatManu20

06-02-2023, 02:44 PM

Mr. Body

06-02-2023, 02:52 PM

If this kid goes in the lottery, it will be a massive reach. Yes he’s a good athlete and is only 18, but nothing he has shown yet warrants being a lottery pick. There are better significantly players to be had in the top-20 imo.

Totally agree, but pure athleticism and potential rule the day in the NBA draft. I'm not sure why the Thompsons are as high as they are.

Tyronn Lue

06-02-2023, 03:19 PM

Which teams might draft him in hopes of attracting Wemby in a few years?

The Truth #6

06-02-2023, 03:25 PM

I think the draft has lots of potential busts and then lots of role players in the lottery as well. I see him rising because to me there is a general lack of certainty with lots of these players. I mean, even with "sleepers" like Jaime Jaquez Jr. who is the "steal of the second round", he'll probably get drafted in the low 20s. Thank god we have Wemby. I can't get too worried about the draft now. I'm excited to see who falls to 33, but trading up in this draft, more and more to me, seems like a bad idea and would take a massive overpay. For example, trading Keldon and another FRP to draft Anthony Black? I really like Anthony Black, but not at that price. No way. I would have loved to get Bilal Coulibaly at 33, but there's no way that happens now. Now that we have Wemby, we don't need to make big gambles; we need to make smart choices, to be honest. I'm not opposed to trading Keldon and even two FRPs, but it needs to be for a second star, not a question mark. Just my thoughts.

Mr. Body

06-02-2023, 03:28 PM

Which teams might draft him in hopes of attracting Wemby in a few years?

No one. Victor is not a child.

rascal

06-02-2023, 05:45 PM

Which teams might draft him in hopes of attracting Wemby in a few years?

Lakers

tonight...you

06-02-2023, 05:57 PM

Which teams might draft him in hopes of attracting Wemby in a few years?
Lol, are they even like close friends, or anything?
Why are weird assumptions happening?

rascal

06-02-2023, 06:04 PM

Lol, are they even like close friends, or anything?
Why are weird assumptions happening?

It isn't going to matter who drafts him.

tonight...you

06-02-2023, 06:06 PM

It isn't going to matter who drafts him.
No. It won't. Unless the Spurs really fumble the ball over the next 4-5 years, Wemb isn't going anywhere.

rascal

06-02-2023, 06:10 PM

exstatic

06-02-2023, 06:29 PM

What I don't like about this article is the Spurs are no longer targeting upside high risk/high reward anymore.

Why not?

Should always look to get the highest potential players.

This roster is overall weak outside of Wemby.

We pulled the golden ticket, and we’re getting to tour the chocolate factory. Unfortunately, because you’re Veruca Salt, you won’t enjoy it at all.

Extra Stout

06-02-2023, 06:35 PM

What I don't like about this article is the Spurs are no longer targeting upside high risk/high reward anymore.

Why not?

Should always look to get the highest potential players.

This roster is overall weak outside of Wemby.
Not clear whether that was just for the 2023 draft or for future years too. It makes a difference.

Mr. Body

06-02-2023, 06:53 PM

Not clear whether that was just for the 2023 draft or for future years too. It makes a difference.

What rascal means by "highest potential players" is Shaeden Sharpe. He wants players who don't know how to play basketball but who are athletes and can jump around. That's what he means.

Extra Stout

06-02-2023, 07:01 PM

tonight...you

06-02-2023, 07:01 PM

What rascal means by "highest potential players" is Shaeden Sharpe. He wants players who don't know how to play basketball but who are athletes and can jump around. That's what he means.
rascal is rascal.
Everything he posts should be taken within rascal context.
From his constant misery, to his dour outlook, to his terrible evaluations on players.

I still love him though.
He's like a caricature, or a Muppet, like the Swedish chef.

Just so overblown that he's adorable, if taken with a not-so-serious eye.

Although he's probably dead serious.

CGD

06-02-2023, 07:04 PM

OKC is taking this guy at 12. If I’m Orlando at 11 I’m extorting the crap out of them.

Extra Stout

06-02-2023, 07:04 PM

Have you people not interacted with Northeasterners? Blunt criticism means they care.

tonight...you

06-02-2023, 07:24 PM

Have you people not interacted with Northeasterners? Blunt criticism means they care.
My entire family is from the Northeast.
I once was a sales manager for the northeast coast all the way up to Canada and I know how short-tempered and straight to the point they get.
I know that Canadians consider you not knowing French is an insult on that side, although they are coloquially bound to the "Queen" (lol).

I get it.
I know them.
My sis still lives in NYC.

You are too apologetic.

tonight...you

06-02-2023, 07:25 PM

And, IMO, Connecticut is the worst.

Tyronn Lue

06-03-2023, 01:50 AM

No one. Victor is not a child.
Neither is Lebron but he left Cleveland to join Wade in Miami, and has played with many of his friends and even wants to be on the same team as his son. I think these days players make friends for life, and they value that more than team loyalty. Just my opinion. We don't know anything about Victor, not really.

D-Robinson 50 fan

06-03-2023, 07:50 AM

We pulled the golden ticket, and we’re getting to tour the chocolate factory. Unfortunately, because you’re Veruca Salt, you won’t enjoy it at all.

AWESOME Analogy. LMAO.

One of my childhood favorites movies and books.

SpursFan86

06-03-2023, 12:43 PM

https://twitter.com/globalscouting_/status/1664742897332232194?s=46&t=7J7PSnY8RJS8_UemWCmgcA

Seems like his stock continues to rise…sorry but if we’re going to trade up to get into that 12-16 range, I’d rather get someone like Bufkin or Cason Wallace. If Coulibaly is there in the low-mid 20s then that’s a different story.

Mr. Body

06-03-2023, 12:55 PM

Iirc the Thunder were smoke screening last year. They're as tight about interest as we are and either someone is guessing about Coulibaly or they're going after someone else. Their first priority seems to be moving up.

ace3g

06-03-2023, 08:21 PM

https://youtu.be/uxnun8SVDSw

JPB

06-03-2023, 08:37 PM

Glad hearing his teammate describing Bilal exactly as I see him :elephant.
- Great potential on defense, disruptive with his long arms, great instincts, High BBIQ.
- Athletic, long, fast, long strides on fast break. Can eurostep too.
- Can play the 2/3.
- Can hit the open 3.
- Potential 2 way player if he can develop a reliable shoot and become agrressive.

No doubt spurs have had an eye on him for a few months now. The Kawhi comparison (that's the game) speaks to spurs fans.

TekXX

06-03-2023, 08:57 PM

Coulibaly should thank his stars that he's playing games with Wemby right now, not sure he's rising if people aren't watching Wembys games.

JPB

06-03-2023, 09:34 PM

Coulibaly should thank his stars that he's playing games with Wemby right now, not sure he's rising if people aren't watching Wembys games.

Put Bilal in the NCAA and he's in everyone top 10 for 6 months.

Obstructed_View

06-04-2023, 10:45 AM

Coulibaly fucking sucks.

RC_Drunkford

06-04-2023, 11:51 AM

Coulibaly fucking sucks.

:lmao literally the best player on the floor for Mets 92 today

The Truth #6

06-04-2023, 12:18 PM

Offset should be in here doing victory laps.

ace3g

06-04-2023, 12:24 PM

https://twitter.com/stgwadateam/status/1665405058215735298

SpursFan86

06-04-2023, 12:44 PM

In addition to some really nice finishes he had, his defense today was outstanding. I can definitely see the intrigue with him and someone “reaching” to grab him in the 10-15 range. Afraid the price tag is a little too expensive at this point for us to end up with him.

heyheymymy

06-04-2023, 01:08 PM

As others have said

He is a lot like Keldon but if you took a portion of his offensive punch and put it towards defensive skill instead

ace3g

06-04-2023, 01:12 PM

CtE-4s6MiXb

BatManu20

06-04-2023, 02:19 PM

Wemby promoting his boy. Top-5 def ain’t happening though :lol

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RC_Drunkford

06-04-2023, 02:40 PM

Whats really intriguing is his playmaking. You can tell he used to play PG. They used him as the ballhandler quite a lot today and he almost always got to the rim out of a pick & roll

RC_Drunkford

06-04-2023, 05:32 PM

I honestly like him better than any of the PGs that have been suggested here

Mr. Body

06-04-2023, 06:35 PM

Massive buzz among other fanbases for Coulibaly in the top 10. Victor has made his friend a ton of money.

thiste

06-04-2023, 06:40 PM

Surely Wemby put eyes in front of the game, but he also made it himself by playing well when it counts.

kobyz

06-04-2023, 06:40 PM

Safe to say he's not gonna slip past #10 to Dallas

kobyz

06-04-2023, 06:51 PM

Give glimpses of a young Kawhi

ace3g

06-04-2023, 07:11 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDqNmZFd8Lg&pp=ygUPYmlsYWwgY291bGliYWx5

CGD

06-04-2023, 07:17 PM

Hope he’s paying Wemby commission. He easily made millions more. But good on him: he saw the opening and smashed open the door.

ace3g

06-04-2023, 07:34 PM

Mets 92 losing most of their PGs benefited Bilal by allowing him to showcase his ballhandling.

rascal

06-04-2023, 07:45 PM

As others have said

He is a lot like Keldon but if you took a portion of his offensive punch and put it towards defensive skill instead

Higher upside than Keldon. Just needs to get stronger with age.

objective

06-04-2023, 08:00 PM

Keldon for Bertans & #10? If they're feeling crazy :lol

Degoat

06-04-2023, 08:28 PM

Solid prospect, don’t buy the high ceiling that people are throwing around.

Mr. Body

06-04-2023, 08:33 PM

Yeah, he's getting wildly overesteemed right now. Good for him, though.

lefty20

06-04-2023, 08:38 PM

Fuck wrong thread...

rankingtear

06-04-2023, 10:11 PM

Garuba got a lot of hype in 2021 because he was the only one playing at this time of year.

playbonner15

06-04-2023, 10:47 PM

Presti's gonna draft him

kobyz

06-05-2023, 05:09 AM

Garuba got a lot of hype in 2021 because he was the only one playing at this time of year.

But still as an undersized center

Uriel

06-05-2023, 05:44 PM

https://twitter.com/noceilingsnba/status/1664371788527316992?s=46&t=7J7PSnY8RJS8_UemWCmgcA

If this is true could be a pretty costly sidekick…
I'm curious though, how many of these reports of draft prospects getting "promises" actually turn out to be true in hindsight? Like, looking back at previous years' drafts?

baseline bum

06-05-2023, 07:24 PM

I'm curious though, how many of these reports of draft prospects getting "promises" actually turn out to be true in hindsight? Like, looking back at previous years' drafts?

I still remember the Houston Rockets having three firsts in 1998 and promising local HS star Rashard Lewis they would draft him with their first of the three so he stayed in the draft. So instead they draft Michael Dickerson, Mirsad Turkan, and fucking Bryce Drew with their three picks and Lewis falls to the second round is crying in the interview when Seattle finally takes him at 32. That shit was so hard to watch. The Houston news would show highlights of Lewis every time Alief Elsik played and everyone was expecting big things of him only for the Rockets to lie to the kid and not even take him with three chances. I'm so glad Lewis ended up having a great career. I think anyone who watched that draft and saw the devastation on the kid's face was rooting hard for him to succeed.

K...

06-05-2023, 07:48 PM

yeah the issue with not honoring a promise is the agents have long memories. more often a player gets picked sooner than the promise and no one cares, and i'm sure not more than zero promises are fake and designed to hide injuries and what not

BackHome

06-05-2023, 09:36 PM

BatManu20

06-06-2023, 12:07 AM

Watched one Youtuber who has legit connections talking about he has heard that Utah may take him at 9 and then pick up a PG with their 16th pick. Also, talked about Bobi Klintman thinks it's either OK or Indiana that has given him the wink wink deal...

Would make sense tbh. One of JHS or Cason Wallace will likely be available at 16. Or even Kobe Bufkin. I think Keyonte George will be off the board but he might be in play too. Or, if my guy Amari Bailey keeps his name in this draft, Utah would likely be all over him with the 28th Pick if he’s still on the board. They could wind up drafting 2 PG’s in this draft.

playblair

06-06-2023, 01:30 AM

Would make sense tbh. One of JHS or Cason Wallace will likely be available at 16. Or even Kobe Bufkin. I think Keyonte George will be off the board but he might be in play too. Or, if my guy Amari Bailey keeps his name in this draft, Utah would likely be all over him with the 28th Pick if he’s still on the board. They could wind up drafting 2 PG’s in this draft.
draft removal deadline has passed.......amari is in draft........

BatManu20

06-06-2023, 02:51 AM

draft removal deadline has passed.....amari is in draft.…..

Duh that’s right it’s June 1st. My b.

ace3g

06-17-2023, 02:45 PM

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1670062253272383488

JPB

06-17-2023, 04:15 PM

Workouts are always important but they should be determinant for Bilal. He has just 6 months of pro games as a bench guy and as a euro player, I'm sure many GMs barely even knew about him a few months ago. Don't know if he indeed got a promise from Utah, OKC or whoever but yeah, show 'em Bilal... He should be in rhythm..

Ariel

06-17-2023, 04:18 PM

I once thought Coulibaly was an interesting gamble; not anymore, given he's becoming overhyped and would cost more than reasonable. Rupert may last until the late 20s or even early 2nd round, though.

JPB

06-17-2023, 06:36 PM

Watched one Youtuber who has legit connections talking about he has heard that Utah may take him at 9 and then pick up a PG with their 16th pick. Also, talked about Bobi Klintman thinks it's either OK or Indiana that has given him the wink wink deal...

No offense but legit connections with who? Utah GM or owner? No offense again but none of these social media guys have any kind of connection with anything... Just rehashing what's circulating (Bilal at 9 by Utah is one week old already). Very, very few people on any NBA team know the real strategy for the draft (like 3 or sometimes 2 people) and these people don't talk to everybody at the coffee pause... That's the whole point... Secret.

All that is just guessing and assuming...