Joker just passed the Admiral on all-time Centers List

[LkrFan]

Cry about it farmers :toast

[lefty]

I'm ok with that, I like Jokic

[MultiTroll]

:lol He never was behind Anthony Davis.

[Chucho]

Every time Pascual makes an anti-Spurs comment, another floating buoy barrier pops up in the Rio Grande.

[Leetonidas]

Jokic is a beast. I doubt any Spurs fans have anything negative to say about him :lol

[LkrFan]

Every time Pascual makes an anti-Spurs comment, another floating buoy barrier pops up in the Rio Grande.

:lol

[LkrFan]

I'm ok with that, I like Jokic

Your avatar is sending me :lol

[LkrFan]

:lol He never was behind Anthony Davis.

Don't lie son. You ain't gotta lie to kick it :lol

[LkrFan]

AD literally bust a 3ptr in his eye to send him home fishing in the bubble. Joker just got his lick back this year. :lol

AD: 1
Joker: 1


Let us proceed sons :tu

[LkrFan]

I'm also taking the Admiral off the top 75 list and replacing him with the Joker. :smokin

[LkrFan]

Kareem
Dream
Bill Russell
Shaq
Joker
Moses Malone
Connie Hawkins
Bill Walton
Ewing
Vlade Divac
Javelle McGee
Admiral

:lol

[Chucho]

Jaime is deep in the bottle. It's fucking 9:22 here on the coast, vato. It's wayyyyyy to early.

[Chucho]

too*

[FrostKing]

He just passed Dirk

Coasting over Barkley/Malone

I think Joker overtakes Hakeem. After that it's the likes of Shaq and I don't see 3 rings for Mr.Jokic

[LkrFan]

Jaime is deep in the bottle. It's fucking 9:22 here on the coast, vato. It's wayyyyyy to early.

las tonterías! :lol

[LkrFan]

He just passed Dirk

Coasting over Barkley/Malone

I think Joker overtakes Hakeem. After that it's the likes of Shaq and I don't see 3 rings for Mr.Jokic

:wow

[lefty]

Kareem got punked by every tier 1 center in the playoffs :lol

Walton, Moses (twice :lol), Dream and I'm sure I'm forgetting others

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Joker's individual numbers will put him over just about every other center ever to play the game were he to add a couple more titles to his resume. What center in the history of the game can run the triple doubles like Joker can? He rebounds better than anyone not named Wilt or Russell. He's the best shooter from deep and the best assist guy on the list already. His longevity probably won't let him pass Kareem's point total, but his per game numbers should be close.

If he can sustain his health, and if he ends up with 3 or 4 rings he'll be in the conversation for the best ever, topping the list of Laker centers that they grabbed from other franchises over the years.

[MultiTroll]

Don't lie son. You ain't gotta lie to kick it :lol


AD literally bust a 3ptr in his eye to send him home fishing in the bubble. Joker just got his lick back this year. :lol

AD: 1
Joker: 1


Let us proceed sons :tu
You're right, i don't have to lie.

It's all recorded.
1-1
Jokic 1 legit Championship
AD 1 marketing production farce.
1307175634154606592
proceed.

[LkrFan]

You're right, i don't have to lie.

It's all recorded.
1-1
Jokic 1 legit Championship
AD 1 marketing production farce.
1307175634154606592
proceed.

:lol

[LkrFan]

Kareem got punked by every tier 1 center in the playoffs :lol

Walton, Moses (twice :lol), Dream and I'm sure I'm forgetting others

:lol

[TD 21]

Agreed. I'd rank only Abdul-Jabbar, Duncan (doubles as the GOAT PF because he primarily nominally played it throughout his 20s), O'Neal and Olajuwon ahead of him, with longevity being the primary differentiator.

Chamberlain is debatable, but the hardest player to contextualize. Then Robinson.

[ambchang]

Kareem got punked by every tier 1 center in the playoffs :lol

Walton, Moses (twice :lol), Dream and I'm sure I'm forgetting others

Got played by Ralph Sampson.

[ambchang]

I’d say there’s a good argument for it, with the advantage going to jokic 70/30 as of now. Some decency bias but jokic has been the best player in the league four years running. B2b MVPs l, now has a title with a finals mvp. It’s a pretty stacked resume already and he’s still young.

I’d say he overtook kobe all time already. One more title with this level of dominance and he’d be over shaq and magic. Two more he’d have a good argument against duncan.

[lefty]

I’d say there’s a good argument for it, with the advantage going to jokic 70/30 as of now. Some decency bias but jokic has been the best player in the league four years running. B2b MVPs l, now has a title with a finals mvp. It’s a pretty stacked resume already and he’s still young.

I’d say he overtook kobe all time already. One more title with this level of dominance and he’d be over shaq and magic. Two more he’d have a good argument against duncan.

I disagree with the rings argument tbh

[LkrFan]

Got played by Ralph Sampson.
I'm still salty about that lucky shot in 1986 :cry

Then the Celtics made them grab their ankles and bite their bottom lips in the Finals :lol

[napadaj]

Did yall catch when he said that he modeled his game to how Duncan, Aldridge and Diaw played? His favorite player is Timmy and Timmy said on some RJ's podcast that his favorite to watch right now is Jokic.

[lefty]

I'm still salty about that lucky shot in 1986 :cry

Then the Celtics made them grab their ankles and bite their bottom lips in the Finals :lol

Good things the league suspended Rockets players because they were a matchup nightmare for the Lakers

[ambchang]

I'm still salty about that lucky shot in 1986 :cry

Then the Celtics made them grab their ankles and bite their bottom lips in the Finals :lol

Lakers losing on purpose to avoid getting swept by the Celtics.

[MultiTroll]

Max Staus had a very Kirby like performance.

Or do you think he didn't shoot enough? And miss.

Perhaps Jimmy Butler had a Kirby like perfomance. But he passed up Kirby a long time ago.

[lefty]

Max Staus had a very Kirby like performance.

Or do you think he didn't shoot enough? And miss.

Perhaps Jimmy Butler had a Kirby like perfomance. But he passed up Kirby a long time ago.
Kirby wouldn't even make the playoffs with that roster

[Tyronn Lue]

Did yall catch when he said that he modeled his game to how Duncan, Aldridge and Diaw played? His favorite player is Timmy and Timmy said on some RJ's podcast that his favorite to watch right now is Jokic.
There are a lot of NBA players who say their fav to watch is Jokic. He's a fun guy to watch, how he handles the game and the things he can do successfully that makes you just shake your head.

[Silver&Black]

Kirby wouldn't even make the playoffs with that roster

Kirby is the only player in NBA history to leave his wife and take the kid with him.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Never understood why Spurs fans get so defensive about Davey when there’s so many better and more recent great players in their history. It would be like Laker fans going out of their way to defend Elden Campbell:lol

[baseline bum]

I'm still salty about that lucky shot in 1986 :cry

Then the Celtics made them grab their ankles and bite their bottom lips in the Finals :lol

You lost 4-1. ROFL blaming a luck shot.

[Millennial_Messiah]

No... Jokic has 1 title to Robinson's 2, but most importantly Robinson was MUCH better on defense than Jokic could ever dream of. Jokic is only good on one side of the ball. He will never be the intimidating big man in the paint that Robinson or Duncan were.

In order to be legendary you have to be great on both sides and thus today's "superstars" like Stef Carry and Jokic just don't do it for me. Even though I like Jokic as a person and despise Stef Carry.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Never understood why Spurs fans get so defensive about Davey when there’s so many better and more recent great players in their history. It would be like Laker fans going out of their way to defend Elden Campbell:lol

He was an uber-dominant force on defense against literally everyone not named Hakeem.

On offense he was the lefty Kevin Durant of his time until the old big man problems (feet, back) started to set in and nerf his offensive game. Still, he remained one of the NBA's best defensive big men all the way until and including his very last game in the NBA, which was a championship victory.

[DeadlyDynasty]

He was an uber-dominant force on defense against literally everyone not named Hakeem.

On offense he was the lefty Kevin Durant of his time until the old big man problems (feet, back) started to set in and nerf his offensive game. Still, he remained one of the NBA's best defensive big men all the way until and including his very last game in the NBA, which was a championship victory.
He was a choker who lost about 5 or 6 times with HCA in a playoff series before Timmy came along

[Millennial_Messiah]

He was a choker who lost about 5 or 6 times with HCA in a playoff series before Timmy came along

So basically he was Durant, but with worse talent around him than OKC had. But instead of bandwagoning another team he stayed the course and took Pop's advice to sit with the injury (and Sean Elliott with the kidney issue) in '96-97, and we landed Timmy.

[Tyronn Lue]

What David lacked was the ability to attract star players to a small market. Today a DR level talent would be in LA, Miami, NY or Chicago.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Kareem
Dream
Bill Russell
Shaq
Joker
Moses Malone
Connie Hawkins
Bill Walton
Ewing
Vlade Divac
Javelle McGee
Admiral

:lol

Kareem is the most overrated superstar. Couldn't make it out of the second round without Robertson or Magic to carry him. Needed 8 extra seasons to beat Wilt's record.

[Tyronn Lue]

Kareem is the most overrated superstar. Couldn't make it out of the second round without Robertson or Magic to carry him. Needed 8 extra seasons to beat Wilt's record.
:lol He has 6 league MVPs. I wouldn't call that overrated.

[Millennial_Messiah]

What David lacked was the ability to attract star players to a small market. Today a DR level talent would be in LA, Miami, NY or Chicago.

He was fiercely loyal to the Spurs FO though. He still lives in SA. He had multiple chances to sign with the Lakers, including after he left the Navy. He did not.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol He has 6 league MVPs. I wouldn't call that overrated.

Look at how he performed between when Robertson left Milwaukee and going to the Lakers before Magic shows up.

Best performance was a second round exit and he had multiple years missing the playoffs completely.

He was so great he couldn't carry a team to the playoffs in his absolute prime.

[Tyronn Lue]

Look at how he performed between when Robertson left Milwaukee and going to the Lakers before Magic shows up.

Best performance was a second round exit and he had multiple years missing the playoffs completely.

He was so great he couldn't carry a team to the playoffs in his absolute prime.
You take the 21 year career of a man who won 6 championships and 6 league MPVs, 2 NBA Finals MVPs, 3peat NCAA champion, condense it down to a cherry picked 2 years and call that his absolute prime? Doesn't seem objective. If you look at the entire body of work including college, only a hater would say Kareem was overrated.

[Tyronn Lue]

He was fiercely loyal to the Spurs FO though. He still lives in SA. He had multiple chances to sign with the Lakers, including after he left the Navy. He did not.
Side notes

[baseline bum]

:lol He has 6 league MVPs. I wouldn't call that overrated.

I think he's wildly overrated. As soon as Oscar retired he led the Bucks to a sub .500 record despite having Bobby Dandridge still on his team. And then another sub .500 year the next year in LA while having Gail Goodrich as a teammate. And this was also in an extremely weak NBA where a lot of the top talent was in the ABA. E.g., Dr J, Iceman, David Thompson, Moses Malone, Artis Gilmore, Dan Issel, James Silas, and so on. Kareem was a nice player but he's not that get on my back and I'm carrying you up the mountain kind of guy who you knew was taking your team to 50 wins if he was remotely healthy. That was Magic on that team. Which is why they were still a very good team when Kareem retired while being a pretty mediocre team with Kareem before Magic got there despite having HOF talent around Abdul-Jabbar (namely Gail Goodrich, Jamaal Wilkes, and Adrian Dantley).

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You take the 21 year career of a man who won 6 championships and 6 league MPVs, 2 NBA Finals MVPs, 3peat NCAA champion, condense it down to a cherry picked 2 years and call that his absolute prime? Doesn't seem objective. If you look at the entire body of work including college, only a hater would say Kareem was overrated.

2 years? Try again. That is not the timeframe I described. He was stat padding from Robertson retiring in 74 to Magic being drafted in 1980.

All time greats don't need to be carried like he did.

[baseline bum]

You take the 21 year career of a man who won 6 championships and 6 league MPVs, 2 NBA Finals MVPs, 3peat NCAA champion, condense it down to a cherry picked 2 years and call that his absolute prime? Doesn't seem objective. If you look at the entire body of work including college, only a hater would say Kareem was overrated.

He was a huge underachiever from 74-75 to 78-79 when he didn't have Oscar or Magic on his team. No one is saying he needed to win titles but he wasn't even leading his team to 50 wins in that era. Only time he did was 77 when he led the Lakers to 53 wins (but then got swept by Walton in the WCF).

[ambchang]

Kareem would still be too 10 regardless but he has always been ranked in the top 3 (jordan, Lebron and jabbar were really the consensus GOAT candidates) but when you really look at the overall accomplishments jabbar has the most holes in his resume.

People kept talking about him as a laker but fact is his most dominant years were with the bucks. 1/3 of the time in LA he wasn’t even the best player on his team. And 1/3 of the time the lakers weren’t that good. The final 1/3 his team was stacked and he got two titles out of it. Not bad but when you compare to Lebron and jordan who has pretty much been the best player on their teams their entire career and got about the same number of titles out of it. It sort of out it in perspective. Bird and Duncan arguably had better careers.

[Tyronn Lue]

I don't consider Kareem in the GOAT talks but he's top 5 - 8 if you look at his entire career. Boring as hell to watch and not much of a personality. I'd say MJ, Lebron and Magic in the top 3 with Bird a close 4th. I almost feel the need to have 3 sets of rankings based on eras.

[LkrFan]

You lost 4-1. ROFL blaming a luck shot.
¡Íbamos a ganar y luego ganar la serie en 7 juegos! :cry

[LkrFan]

Kareem is the most overrated superstar. Couldn't make it out of the second round without Robertson or Magic to carry him. Needed 8 extra seasons to beat Wilt's record.

This is a comically bad take. What did the Big O or Magic ever win without Kareem? -150 points son. :lol

Jim wouldn't last in the 70s. Too soft. Jim would be Brad Daughterty if he played in the 80s. :lol

OTOH, Kareem would easily dominate in today's NBA. Put some respeck on his name son. :tu

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is a comically bad take. What did the Big O or Magic ever win without Kareem? -150 points son. :lol

Jim wouldn't last in the 70s. Too soft. Jim would be Brad Daughterty if he played in the 80s. :lol

OTOH, Kareem would easily dominate in today's NBA. Put some respeck on his name son. :tu

Saying they are not very good does not bode well given how poorly he did without them. He lost O and couldn't even break .500 :lol

Then there is that he was such a fucking softie they had to get Prime Jabbar enforcers like Kermit Washington to protect him from the other 5s and 4s in a diluted league.

He couldn't shoot outside of 15 feet and needs a Washington type to protect him from the Zach Collins of the world. He would be a Gobert with better touch near the rim on offense.

Fuck Kareem and his statpadding ass.

[baseline bum]

I don't consider Kareem in the GOAT talks but he's top 5 - 8 if you look at his entire career. Boring as hell to watch and not much of a personality. I'd say MJ, Lebron and Magic in the top 3 with Bird a close 4th. I almost feel the need to have 3 sets of rankings based on eras.

He has to take a huge hit for leading teams with other good talent to mediocre records in his physical prime when the league was at its weakest since the 50s. I think I'd have him top 10 but at the later end of it, maybe with Kobe. I know it's sacrilege to say to most NBA fans but I'd take Duncan over Kareem in a second since you knew Duncan was taking your team to 50 wins even if Danny Ferry and decrepit Terry Porter are starting next to him. I know people will say he had Robinson those years but Kareem had teammates like Bob Dandridge, Gail Goodrich, Adrian Dantley, Jamaal Wilkes, Norm Nixon, etc in these years where he couldn't take the Lakers/Bucks anywhere while in his physical prime. Magic really saved his legacy. I can at least agree that Magic and Bird were in a clear tier ahead of Kareem.

[baseline bum]

This is a comically bad take. What did the Big O or Magic ever win without Kareem? -150 points son. :lol

Jim wouldn't last in the 70s. Too soft. Jim would be Brad Daughterty if he played in the 80s. :lol

OTOH, Kareem would easily dominate in today's NBA. Put some respeck on his name son. :tu

Magic took the Lakers to the Finals without Kareem. Won 63 games another year without Kareem. They would have probably rang at least once more if he didn't like sitting and spinning on the boys in West Hollywood which cut his career short at 32. Jesus man, how can you know so little about your team? Kareem would have hated this fast paced era. If you read Pearlman's book all the Lakers wanted him off the team by 86 because he slowed their offense too much, especially after they got Mychal Thompson. Kareem played in the perfect era for his skillset, and especially playing his prime years in the weakest years the NBA has had since it was white boys in crew cuts shooting set shots in 1951.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwHP04TWOps&ab_channel=DJJBstuffandGAMING

The unblockable skyhook being blocked twice in one possession by the corpse of Wilt Chamberlain.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There's footage of Kareem punking west with a cheap shot. When Chamberlain steps to him he runs into the stands.

I'm trying to find it because to me that is quintessential Kareem.

[lefty]

Kream is overrated AF :lol

:lol Got punked by every 1st tier center he faced in the playoffs

:lol He was also a certified whiner, every time he was cleanly blocked or when the ball was cleanyly stripped off his hands he would stand there and look at the refs

[lefty]

The unblockable skyhook being blocked twice in one possession by the corpse of Wilt Chamberlain.

Olajuwon also blocked his sky hook

“uNbLocKaBlE sHoT”
“MoSt uNsToPpaBlE sHoT EvEr”

[lefty]

He also got his ass handed to him by a chinese midget

[LkrFan]

Farmers on here tryna disrespect Kareem is funny. Jim would get beat down literally if he played in the 70s or 80s. I stand on that fact, 10 toes down. Those eras were tough. No way Jim has a hall of fame career playing against real centers and cockstrong power forwards. He's not built for that life, and that's okay. :tu

He would have made the 1972 Olympic swimming team though. Probably get another Bronze Medal th:lol

And Fuzzy never saw Kareem shooting skyhooks out to 20 feet? Figures. :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Farmers on here tryna disrespect Kareem is funny. Jim would get beat down literally if he played in the 70s or 80s. I stand on that fact, 10 toes down. Those eras were tough. No way Jim has a hall of fame career playing against real centers and cockstrong power forwards. He's not built for that life, and that's okay. :tu

He would have made the 1972 Olympic swimming team though. Probably get another Bronze Medal th:lol

And Fuzzy never saw Kareem shooting skyhooks out to 20 feet? Figures. :lol

Kareem did get beat down until he got Washington. You can make up stories all you like. And he took shots form there but not at a high percentage.

[ambchang]

Farmers on here tryna disrespect Kareem is funny. Jim would get beat down literally if he played in the 70s or 80s. I stand on that fact, 10 toes down. Those eras were tough. No way Jim has a hall of fame career playing against real centers and cockstrong power forwards. He's not built for that life, and that's okay. :tu

He would have made the 1972 Olympic swimming team though. Probably get another Bronze Medal th:lol

And Fuzzy never saw Kareem shooting skyhooks out to 20 feet? Figures. :lol

This take is about as retarded as it takes. The nba in the 70s were a bunch of out of shape coke heads and the 80s had insane pace. The pistons were some unbearably dirty team when the entire league was playing like that in the 90s and 00s. The 90s were logarithmically more physical than the 80s.

Besides, Kareem got his shit pushed in by any physicality. Moses treated him like his personal blowup doll every time they met. Hakeem and Ralph Samps:loln took turns on Kareem. Even mchale and parish were giving him problems. Kareem was playing in an era or generally bad centers. The only decent centers during the 70s was Artis Gilmore, Dan issel and Dave Cowen, two of the three are like 6’8”.

I don’t want to shit on Kareem but come on man.

[baseline bum]

There's footage of Kareem punking west with a cheap shot. When Chamberlain steps to him he runs into the stands.

I'm trying to find it because to me that is quintessential Kareem.

Not the clip you were looking for but had this cheapshot he put on Happy Hairston show up in my recommendations on youtube :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqrt0Nn_AYQ

[baseline bum]

There's footage of Kareem punking west with a cheap shot. When Chamberlain steps to him he runs into the stands.

I'm trying to find it because to me that is quintessential Kareem.

Same hit from before but showing the aftermath and yeah Kareem wanted no part of Wilt and went off to the corner to hide behind Richie Powers :lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkJqIQNLpCU

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

grats joker :toast

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Same hit from before but showing the aftermath and yeah Kareem wanted no part of Wilt and went off to the corner to hide behind Richie Powers :lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkJqIQNLpCU

Nice find and illustrates what I am talking about. thanks.

[Wilt Chamberlain]

Kareem is the third best Laker C behind Shaq and myself.

[lefty]

Nice find and illustrates what I am talking about. thanks.

I told you, he got his ass handed to him by a Chinese midget

[FrostKing]

Joker's individual numbers will put him over just about every other center ever to play the game were he to add a couple more titles to his resume. What center in the history of the game can run the triple doubles like Joker can? He rebounds better than anyone not named Wilt or Russell. He's the best shooter from deep and the best assist guy on the list already. His longevity probably won't let him pass Kareem's point total, but his per game numbers should be close.

If he can sustain his health, and if he ends up with 3 or 4 rings he'll be in the conversation for the best ever, topping the list of Laker centers that they grabbed from other franchises over the years.
Very ahead of ourselves. I'd put the line at 3 rings. Settle for 2. He's destined to reach the finals and lose at some point. That's already 3 something appearances. Denver would need to continue an influx of talent either thru the draft or free agency. I'm skeptical.

I see 2 rings in Jokic's career which still puts him in very high regard and IMO right along Hakeem & above in many eyes.

[FrostKing]

I don't consider Kareem in the GOAT talks but he's top 5 - 8 if you look at his entire career. Boring as hell to watch and not much of a personality. I'd say MJ, Lebron and Magic in the top 3 with Bird a close 4th. I almost feel the need to have 3 sets of rankings based on eras.
I'm not saying you're wrong but seems Size bias. Is Kareem not the most accomplished Big ever? I do think he lost interest in the 70's. But his career from UCLA to Lakers is consistent. Credit the sky hook but he didn't nose dive like Shaq late in his career.

And Bird is above Magic. Johnson enjoyed the largest collection of talented teammates since Lebron.

If you are asking which players revolutionized the game - then your list.

[lefty]

Bird was objectively better than Magic tbh

[lefty]

And no Lebron didn't havethe same level of help Magic had, it's not even remotely close

Wade started declining in 2012/2013m Bosh instantly turned into a role player and he also had health issues

[ambchang]

Not sure if this has been posted in the past, but I would say it is a relatively good list:

https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nba/news/nikola-jokic-best-players-nba-history-top-25-all-time/k1n80x3w6iakd4rrcl1z22ei



Rank Player Titles MVP All-NBA
1. Michael Jordan 6 5 11
2. LeBron James 4 4 19
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6 6 15
4. Bill Russell 11 5 11
5. Magic Johnson 5 3 10
6. Wilt Chamberlain 2 4 10
7. Larry Bird 3 3 10
8. Tim Duncan 5 2 15
9. Shaquille O'Neal 4 1 14
10. Kobe Bryant 5 1 15
11. Hakeem Olajuwon 2 1 12
12. Stephen Curry 4 2 9
13. Kevin Durant 2 1 10
14. Julius Erving 1 4 7
15. Giannis Antetokounmpo 1 2 7
16. Kevin Garnett 1 1 9
17. Moses Malone 1 3 8
18. Oscar Robertson 1 1 11
19. Nikola Jokic 1 2 5
20. Jerry West 1 0 12
21. Dirk Nowitzki 1 1 12
22. Karl Malone 0 2 14
23. David Robinson 2 1 10
24. Charles Barkley 0 1 11
25. Elgin Baylor 0 0 10

I can see arguments in the top 9, where Duncan could be higher than Bird, Magic, Wilt and Russell, where those 4 were there due to historical and nostalgic reasons. The more I look at Kareem's actual accomplishments, the more I found it overrated. That said, he did win 6 titles, and 6 MVPs, but he really can't do much without an all time PG like Magic or Big O. So I guess he will always stay in the top 3.

As you'd expect, I have huge issues with Kobe being where he is. Hakeem was better, Moses was better, I would argue Curry was better, and I would say Jokic has a good case now.

Speaking of Moses, getting criminally underrated again. Below Garnett? Come on. And Garnett is way too high, where Dirk should be higher, Robinson should be higher. Durant is too high as well. He did absolutely nothing without joining a 73 win team. It's not even a Lebron taking his talents to the Heat thing, but Durant didn't lead his team anywhere other than OKC in 12, where they got absolutely trounced by the Heat. He shouldn't be higher than Barkley.

As much as I think Robinson was ranked below where he should be, I am still pleasantly surprised he made it in the top 25. He is just underrated.

[lefty]

Moses was great during his prime, dude regularly bullied Kareem

But didn’t he have a short prime?

[lefty]

Kareem is overrated but Big O and Kagic would didn’t win without him either

That said he should have done better in the shitty 70s

[spurraider21]

wilt ate russell's lunch but the celtics just had better teams for the most part

https://i.gyazo.com/1faf99162ce5ce4e9583817c1d61a513.png
https://i.gyazo.com/cc26b8341dd5092a164b813c8ef33335.png

[DAF86]

He also passed Kobe all-time, tbh.

[FrostKing]

Lebron is in the conversation for #2 all time but so are atleast 4 other players

Durant and KG too high

Giannis not yet. Curry probably ends up in that spot

Malone & Barkley single handily hamstrung by MJ



Dr.J & Moses only winning 1 ring? Watched the Bill Walton Doc recently. They lost 4 straight in the Finals...

[lefty]

He also passed Kobe all-time, tbh.
Who hasn’t?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Who hasn’t?

Lebeta

[ambchang]

Who hasn’t?

The mountain?

[MultiTroll]

Dave Cowens.

Worked Kream Jabbar for the 1974 Championship.
Came back again in 1976 to take 2 in 3 years.

[lefty]

Lebeta
I'm not Lebron's biggest fan but lol

[spurraider21]

Dave Cowens.

Worked Kream Jabbar for the 1974 Championship.
Came back again in 1976 to take 2 in 3 years.
74 finals

cowens - 23/10/4.6 assists/0.3 blocks on 44% shooting
kareem - 33/12/5.4 assists/2.1 blocks on 55% shooting

[MultiTroll]

74 finals

cowens - 23/10/4.6 assists/0.3 blocks on 44% shooting
kareem - 33/12/5.4 assists/2.1 blocks on 55% shooting
Another Billy Russell - Wilt type take down.
Altho Kream is no Wilt, same idea.
Boston team >>>>> Bucks team, esp in clutch Game 7.

[Arcadian]

Jokic has been my favorite player for several years now, so there's nothing to cry about!

Now that he's been an FMVP + 2-time MVP, I'm fine with him being ranked higher.

It's still really close in terms of skill, though. Robinson was the superior defensive player and an offensive freak in his prime. He'd dunk all over Jokic, no doubt.

[MultiTroll]

Dave Cow puttting up the left handed hook over Kream on the way to the 1974 Chip.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/91/51/f1915145be15ab547416e806eddfb56d.jpg

[callo1]

Joker is one heck of a player, but comparing players from different eras is always hard. Jokic needs to play better defense.

The question is how well Jokic would fair at his position if he played in the era of the big men.

[TD 21]

Joker is one heck of a player, but comparing players from different eras is always hard. Jokic needs to play better defense.

The question is how well Jokic would fair at his position if he played in the era of the big men.

:lmao At the stereotypical/archaic take. Jokic is a fine defender in the post and in the p-n-r (good hands, positioning), he's just a terrible rim protector. Can't have it all.

This isn't a decade ago, this is the era of big men . . . again. Jokic, Embiid, Davis, Antetokounmpo (more PF, but still), Towns, Gobert, Adebayo, Sabonis, etc.

[LkrFan]

:lol He never was behind Anthony Davis.
He was until 2021

[james evans]

There are 3 multiple mvp winners that have never made ONE all defensive team since it started. Jokic, Curry, and Nash.

[james evans]

:lmao At the stereotypical/archaic take. Jokic is a fine defender in the post and in the p-n-r (good hands, positioning), he's just a terrible rim protector. Can't have it all.

This isn't a decade ago, this is the era of big men . . . again. Jokic, Embiid, Davis, Antetokounmpo (more PF, but still), Towns, Gobert, Adebayo, Sabonis, etc.
Jokic is a terrible defender. The one guy no one expected to do anything in the finals was the Heat's best player(Bam). Why was that?

[TD 21]

Jokic is a terrible defender. The one guy no one expected to do anything in the finals was the Heat's best player(Bam). Why was that?

:lmao At thinking "no one expected" Adebayo, the Heat's second best player, "to do anything in the finals" and relying on counting stats without context.

Mpg (41.8) and usage rate (26.7%) = counting stats (21.8 ppg), but they came on 50.4% TS and 45.5 EFG, both well below league average.

[FrostKing]

Jokic has Hakeem in sight

He would need 3+ titles to enter Bill/Wilt talks

Shaq? Possible but not likely

[FrostKing]

Dave Cow puttting up the left handed hook over Kream on the way to the 1974 Chip.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/91/51/f1915145be15ab547416e806eddfb56d.jpg
Yah the hippie Era is troubling for Kareem's legacy. If I'm comparing him to Lebron.

But Kareem revolutionized the game from HS to UCLA to NBA as no one else. I still have him as my #2 overall. To his credit he adapted with the game and off script did it while being socially involved during an Era that it was truly groundbreaking. He always held a high standard.