Latest Intel

[Mr. Body]

I know we have a thousand threads already, but The Ringer and ESPN posted their mocks with interesting intel. Take with grains of salt.


Latest Intel from Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer:

Mavs Moving Down or Out: "Sources say they're trying to move down for multiple picks or players, or out of the draft entirely"

No one really knows what the Raptors are doing, but maybe targeting Perimeter Scoring: "The Raptors haven’t released any of their works in this predraft season. Could we have another Bruno Caboclo situation on our hands? There have also been rumblings about their interest in perimeter scorers."

Noah Clowney Moving Up: "Clowney is the first big surprise of this mock draft. In recent days my sources have connected him with mid-first-round teams such as the Pelican"

Hawks talking to Celtics, Mavs, and Raptors. Wants Siakam. Only Trae Young is Safe: "League sources have connected the Hawks to a whole bunch of teams in trade talks—the Celtics, Mavericks, and Raptors. One of the players Atlanta has interest in is Toronto’s Pascal Siakam, who would give the team some much-needed size around Trae Young. The Hawks front office is willing to trade anyone but Trae, so that means Dejounte Murray could be a valuable piece in negotiations. And perhaps we’ll finally see a John Collins move."

Jaime Jaquez Jr's Draft Rang is Wide with Highest Team connected to is Heat at 18: "Jaquez’s draft range is all over the place. This spot with the Heat is the highest sources have connected him to, so for the purposes of this mock he lands here"

Nets Likely to Retain Cam Johnson. Teams Calling about Royce O'Neale & Dorain Finney Smith: "Multiple reports have already said Cam Johnson is expected to return, but league sources say Brooklyn has received a number of calls for two veteran wings in Royce O'Neale and Dorian Finney-Smith."


Latest Intel from Givony and Woo of ESPN:


Hornets at 2: "Prevailing thought amongst teams we've spoken with remains that the Hornets will wind up going with Miller. That said, the news that Henderson put in an excellent first workout in Charlotte has led some around the league to, at the very least, poke holes in that assumption."

Portland keeping the 3rd Pick and will try 'Threading the Needle' (or the Two Timelines Special): "Barring a team unexpectedly emerging on draft night with an offer they simply can't refuse, sources told ESPN the Trail Blazers are planning on keeping the pick and adding the type of talent to the roster they would be hard pressed to bring to Portland if not through the draft. The team will attempt to thread the needle between being competitive with Damian Lillard at the helm and continuing to build for the future with Shaedon Sharpe, Anfernee Simons and this draft pick"

Amen Thompson the Favorite at 4: "Thompson looks increasingly like the frontrunner at this spot, with the Rockets weighing a big upside swing on the hope that he can become the type of connective guard their roster needs"

Cam Whitmore Trending Down: The intel shifted in recent days following Whitmore's workout in Detroit, indicating that the Pistons may look in a different direction, be it trading down or selecting another player such as Walker."

Anthony Black Returned to DC for a 2nd Workout: "Washington brass has kept its draft plans close to the vest over the past few weeks, but sources told ESPN Black traveled back to D.C. for a second workout over the weekend, and is strongly in the mix as they eye long-term backcourt options to build around"

Utah looking to Move Up. Plans to use their Cap Space to take Bad Contracts like Davis Bertans: "Sources told ESPN the Jazz are exploring many different options on draft night, including packaging their first two picks to move up into the lottery (possibly to Nos. 5, 6 or. 7), or using their two latter first-rounders and taking on a contract from a team such as Dallas for Davis Bertans, for example, a move that could only be consummated July 1. Utah has been linked to [Jarace] Walker for much of the pre-draft process"

No One really knows what the Raptors are Doing: "Picking a shooter such as Dick or Jordan Hawkins, or pairing franchise stalwart Scottie Barnes with a versatile combo guard such as Bufkin, Nick Smith Jr. or Hood-Schifino is believed to be some of their most likely options according to rival teams. However, the amount of activity coming out of the Toronto front office makes it difficult to project what they will do. It's also not clear whether they will be able to meet the financial demands of center Jakob Poeltl in free agency, who prefers not to be in a rebuilding situation next season, sources told ESPN"

Guards Prospects (Outside the Lottery) Avoided Rockets due to Crowded Backcout: "The glut of guards in this range -- many of whom avoided working out for the Rockets due to their crowded backcourt situation"

Bilal Coulibally in NYC but No Team Workouts Planned: "Sources told ESPN Coulibaly flew to New York City on Monday and will not end up conducting any team workouts due to travel constraints"

Lakers have Narrowed Down to 3 Prospects: "Jett Howard is said to be part of a group of options that include Lively, Smith and Noah Clowney, only two of whom are available in this scenario"

Warriors looking to Draft Older: "Warriors are said to be looking at a different strategy on draft night this year, after previously picking young, developmental-type prospects which have been difficult to fully integrate into their style of play. Rival teams have pointed to the likes of Podziemski, Jaime Jaquez Jr. and Kris Murray"

Nets 'Extremely Active' in Trade Discussions: "Nets are said to be extremely active in trade conversations, having the option of using one or both of their first-round picks (Nos. 21 and 22) with players such as Dorian Finney-Smith and Royce O'Neale to get to different spots in the draft if they desire"

[Bruno]

You missed that:

Latest Intel from Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer:

There are rumblings that the Spurs are exploring trades for a second lottery pick. I’m not sure how high they are trying to get, but rival executives speculate that they’re targeting one of the Thompson twins or Wembanyama’s own teammate, Bilal Coulibaly.

[Mr. Body]

Word is that Utah is trying to use 9 + 16 to get above Washington, probably targeting Detroit's pick, in order to take Anthony Black.

[buttsR4rebounding]

You missed that:

Latest Intel from Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer:

There are rumblings that the Spurs are exploring trades for a second lottery pick. I’m not sure how high they are trying to get, but rival executives speculate that they’re targeting one of the Thompson twins or Wembanyama’s own teammate, Bilal Coulibaly.

I don't see how they can get high enough for one of the Thompsons without trading a player like Keldon. Unless it's for a boatload of picks. If Wright can get to 5 or 6 trading a couple of FRPs and a handful of SRPs he gets a big time gold star. Bilal may be available at 8, but if Utah thinks the Spurs are hot for him they will surely snag him at 9.

[Excessive Egotist]

I don't see how they can get high enough for one of the Thompsons without trading a player like Keldon. Unless it's for a boatload of picks. If Wright can get to 5 or 6 trading a couple of FRPs and a handful of SRPs he gets a big time gold star. Bilal may be available at 8, but if Utah thinks the Spurs are hot for him they will surely snag him at 9.

What if we traded Houston our ATL '25, owed CHA FRP, owed Chicago FRP, and took back Kevin Porter Jr? Between the loss of the rookie cap hold and Porter Jr, the Rockets could sign Harden to the number he wants and still add a player like Porzingus.

Spurs would give up a lot of draft equity, but none of their core. Likely gets them Amen Thompson in return.

[Mr. Body]

Guys, top picks can't be had just for future picks.

[R. DeMurre]

I'm really interested to see what the Warriors do. They're the ones who've been burned most in recent years by taking "high ceiling" high risk/high reward athletes (Kuminga, Wiseman) while passing on "high floor" versatility & skill (F Wagner, Haliburton), and now Curry's window is narrower than ever.

Atlanta's just sad to me. Betting the future on an undersized no defense high usage rate PG who's career 3pt% is closer to Russell Westbrook than it is to Steph Curry just feels like sunk cost fallacy to me.

[LeBowen]

I don't see how they can get high enough for one of the Thompsons without trading a player like Keldon. Unless it's for a boatload of picks. If Wright can get to 5 or 6 trading a couple of FRPs and a handful of SRPs he gets a big time gold star. Bilal may be available at 8, but if Utah thinks the Spurs are hot for him they will surely snag him at 9.

Well, Wright said we won't be trading Keldon or Devin. I don't think he'd straight up lie like that. He was ambiguous with every other question.

I think Spurs could move up to late teens or early 20s if there's a player they really like, but I can't see a boatload of picks traded for top10. Unless they're absolutely certain someone is a real deal.

[mo7888]

Well, Wright said we won't be trading Keldon or Devin. I don't think he'd straight up lie like that. He was ambiguous with every other question.

I think Spurs could move up to late teens or early 20s if there's a player they really like, but I can't see a boatload of picks traded for top10. Unless they're absolutely certain someone is a real deal.

He didn't say that.... he said we don't have plans to do that....he left himself room to pivot without being untruthful.

[R. DeMurre]

Wright's not going to say to the general public "yeah, we plan on trading so-and-so." I saw a great post on twitter yesterday where one guy said something along the lines of "nothing a GM says publicly can be trusted at this point, because they're all trying to deceive one another," and I think that's accurate.

[exstatic]

He didn't say that.... he said we don't have plans to do that....he left himself room to pivot without being untruthful.

He cut off the question before it was finished being asked.

[Spursfanfromafar]

He didn't say that.... he said we don't have plans to do that....he left himself room to pivot without being untruthful.

I thought it was unambiguous no .. to a Mike Finger question on trading Keldon/ Devin.

[BatManu20]

You missed that:

Latest Intel from Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer:

There are rumblings that the Spurs are exploring trades for a second lottery pick. I’m not sure how high they are trying to get, but rival executives speculate that they’re targeting one of the Thompson twins or Wembanyama’s own teammate, Bilal Coulibaly.


Kevin O’Connor’s been reading ST tbh.

[R. DeMurre]

Rival execs speculating on what the notoriously close-lipped Spurs are going to do is akin to Zelensky reading Russian newspapers to determine how the war is going.

[mo7888]

He cut off the question before it was finished being asked.
Here's the question and quote:

Mike Finger] Just for the sake of due diligence, asked Brian Wright if there’s any realistic deal out there that would make the Spurs open to dealing Devin Vassell or Keldon Johnso… “No,” he said, before I could finish. Stressed how much the Spurs want to find out what this group can do.

There are no realistic deals right now...he didn't address any deals that might present themselves Thursday. He handled it perfectly and left himself room to do any deal that wasn't on the table at the time of the interview.

[Ditty]

Charlotte, Chicago's and Toronto's picks couldn't get us back around 10-11?

[Mr. Body]

I want to focus a little on what the other teams are doing. This impacts what the Spurs can do.

Dallas - provocative that they may be willing to trade out of the round. I don't really believe this, as they need players badly right now. That said, hey, the Spurs can absorb salary and give them picks. This might assure one of Wallace or Bufkin.

Utah - seems like they're horning in on Black, if they think Washington wants him. Not sure what Washington does if they are leapfrogged. Probably take Hendricks/Walker if available. They've been linked with Cason for a while.

Brooklyn - trying to move up and may be after the same sorts of players we are.

I think going for Clowney in the late lotto or just after is a mistake. Pelicans picking him just slides a guard later.

GSW going for older, more established players is a smart idea.

It's weird how the two big shooters aren't mentioned in intel much - Dick and Hawkins. I wouldn't be surprised if Dick goes much earlier than expected, like Orlando at 6.

The customary teams are very quiet, Thunder, Raptors, etc. Hawks sound desperate.

[rjv]

What if we traded Houston our ATL '25, owed CHA FRP, owed Chicago FRP, and took back Kevin Porter Jr? Between the loss of the rookie cap hold and Porter Jr, the Rockets could sign Harden to the number he wants and still add a player like Porzingus.

Spurs would give up a lot of draft equity, but none of their core. Likely gets them Amen Thompson in return.

it's starting to look like the beard will likely wind up back in philly.

[baseline bum]

You missed that:

Latest Intel from Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer:

There are rumblings that the Spurs are exploring trades for a second lottery pick. I’m not sure how high they are trying to get, but rival executives speculate that they’re targeting one of the Thompson twins or Wembanyama’s own teammate, Bilal Coulibaly.

Gonna be expensive as hell to trade up to grab Ausar much less Amen.

[Mr. Body]

Gonna be expensive as hell to trade up to grab Ausar much less Amen.

And then you have a shitty player on your hands. Andre Jackson is literally a better version of Amen Thompson.

[spurraider21]

:lmao

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[rjv]

if bilal falls just outside of the lottery then he may become available but i don't know what it would be worth to pick up a project just because he could make Wemby happy.

[EricB]

Offering Dallas draft capital that they can turn into a player, in return for the 10 and taking Bertans COULD maybe work.

Simmons’s podcast mentioned that Bertans’s deal turns into a one year deal if he plays 75% of the season?

feel like they could thread the needle and get that done.

[Mr. Body]

Notes from Bleacher Report's last mock draft...

Scoot Henderson returns to No. 2, where he was slotted on lottery night

Kobe Bufkin rises into the lottery at No. 12

Gradey Dick leapfrogs a Thompson to No. 7

Olivier-Maxence Prosper surges up to No. 18 after workouts

[Mr. Body]

Dick moving into the top 10, which I suspected could happen, is great for us. Bufkin available at 12 is also great. Although I don't want OKC to get him, it suggests he would be available before then.

[rjv]

Dick moving into the top 10, which I suspected could happen, is great for us. Bufkin available at 12 is also great. Although I don't want OKC to get him, it suggests he would be available before then.

OKC could go with Bilal at that point. Supposedly, Presti went up to France to scout him.

[Leetonidas]

OP is usually very negative towards anyone claiming to have Spurs Intel but thinks Intel on other teams is legit? Interesting

[Mr. Body]

OP is usually very negative towards anyone claiming to have Spurs Intel but thinks Intel on other teams is legit? Interesting

I'm not sure what you think this means:

Take with grains of salt.

[Leetonidas]

If you think it's not legit then why even make a thread :lol like you said there are plenty of others already. Just find it funny how any time someone posted a Spurs rumor attributed to someone else (like Marc Stein, for example) you'd crap all over them yet you're over here doing the same thing basically

[Mr. Body]

If you think it's not legit then why even make a thread :lol like you said there are plenty of others already. Just find it funny how any time someone posted a Spurs rumor attributed to someone else (like Marc Stein, for example) you'd crap all over them yet you're over here doing the same thing basically

Not sure what your point is. Is this your big 'gotcha' moment? The one you've been waiting your entire life for?

[Leetonidas]

:lol That was my point. No need to get your panties in a bunch. I know how seriously you take the whole pretending to be timvp jr role here

[Mr. Body]

:lol That was my point. No need to get your panties in a bunch. I know how seriously you take the whole pretending to be timvp jr role here

Well... I'm glad your life finally has meaning.

[jesterbobman]

1671254360037228544 (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1671251886681346056)

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1671254360037228544 (In case I screwed up the link above)

25 Green room invites, who are the top 25 on ESPNs mock draft.

After those 25, there's still a lot of value, though I have no idea who will actually own those picks on draft night. I could see (for instance) Contenders moving in to acquire some of the Pacers picks for a future assets. I really doubt the Pacers use 26, 29 and 32.

[T Park]

:lol That was my point. No need to get your panties in a bunch. I know how seriously you take the whole pretending to be timvp jr role here

why do you care? sheesh people

[Leetonidas]

why do you care? sheesh people
why do you care that i care?

[offset formation]

You missed that:

Latest Intel from Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer:

There are rumblings that the Spurs are exploring trades for a second lottery pick. I’m not sure how high they are trying to get, but rival executives speculate that they’re targeting one of the Thompson twins or Wembanyama’s own teammate, Bilal Coulibaly.

100% it's Coulibaly. I've said for weeks there's no way Pop passes up the opportunity to draft someone that's got the same ceiling as nephew after the way that ended. It's why we drafted Primo way earlier than we should because he thought we had another one there. Just a cherry on top that he's Wemby's teammate who vouches for him at every chance he gets.

[JPB]

these guys have not more intel" than we do.. Nothing I've read I haven't read here many times and on others forums or reddit for weeks...

They are going full circle, just guessing, assuming and repeating what others say who reapeat what other say, convincing they know anything... And funny as it's always "rival executives think"... as if GMs were talking to them or something. And anything about the spurs, you swear they just read the forum.

[CGD]

these guys have not more intel" than we do.. Nothing I've read I haven't read here many times and on others forums or reddit for weeks...

They are going full circle, just guessing, assuming and repeating what others say who reapeat what other say, convincing they know anything... And funny as it's always "rival executives think"... as if GMs were talking to them or something. And anything about the spurs, you swear they just read the forum.

^ not to mention that we don’t know what’s old intel recycled

[TD 21]

The biggest impediment to trading up, is teams are rarely willing to go from lottery pick to no 1st round pick period (especially with the next two drafts projected to be weak at the moment). So if they're to pull it off, they probably have to bring in a third team picking around 20ish.

[Dex]

You guys realize that this is an internet forum and the whole point is to share information we find from various sources (internet, TV, radio, my cousin Vinny)?

This isn't a pissing contest about whose "sources" are more legitimate, just be glad we have something to talk about after the last few years

[exstatic]

The biggest impediment to trading up, is teams are rarely willing to go from lottery pick to no 1st round pick period (especially with the next two drafts projected to be weak at the moment). So if they're to pull it off, they probably have to bring in a third team picking around 20ish.

That's a trope. No generational talent does not equal weak draft. Good players are revealed every year, literally out of nowhere. Anthony Black and Taylor Hendricks weren't even seen as one and dones, and now they're both top 10 on TaT and may other mocks.

[Mr. Body]

You guys realize that this is an internet forum and the whole point is to share information we find from various sources (internet, TV, radio, my cousin Vinny)?

This isn't a pissing contest about whose "sources" are more legitimate, just be glad we have something to talk about after the last few years

A guy like Leotardas has nothing to say. There's a few of them around. Literally not a thing to offer, just comes in and whines. He can be ignored.

[TD 21]

That's a trope. No generational talent does not equal weak draft. Good players are revealed every year, literally out of nowhere. Anthony Black and Taylor Hendricks weren't even seen as one and dones, and now they're both top 10 on TaT and may other mocks.

Duh. I'm just stating the consensus from draftniks. Of course it could play out differently, but either way the point stands.

Even the Magic, despite having 6, are unlikely to pass on Dick at 11 and trade it without getting a pick back in the 20ish range, in the event either Hawkins falls or they're high on Howard, because of the opportunity to get a wing/guard shooter on a 4 year rookie scale contract.

[scott]

Yeah, a lot of this is not that different than some of what this board has been speculating (shout out myself for saying the Spurs would only move into the lottery for a player like Amen/Ausar - which KOC seems to suggest)… but NBA GMs and the FOs are human beings, just like almost everyone on this forum (some of you are questionable).

The advantage that NBA front offices have over those of us on this here message board is that they are better evaluators of talent, have access to more information, and have the tools to dive deeper on players. The strategy and tactics deployed in team building, however, are some magical secret locked behind the FO’s closed doors, it’s shit that all of us can hypothesize simply by following the clues. Some ideas are better than others (and some ideas are really bad) and some GMs are better than others (and some of them are really bad as well).

This is fun.

[Uriel]

Brian Wright was quoted saying Johnson and Vassell were off limits in trade talks.

[tonight...you]

Brian Wright was quoted saying Johnson and Vassell were off limits in trade talks.
He also has never committed to saying they're going Wemby as The Pick in any way, shape, or form.
Never trust a GM to tell the truth this time of the year.
If they are... they're incompetent.

[Leetonidas]

A guy like Leotardas has nothing to say. There's a few of them around. Literally not a thing to offer, just comes in and whines. He can be ignored.

And you're just a giant fucking twat. Congratulations

Sorry I don't post long winded elementary level analysis and try to pass it off as intellectual discourse like you. You're so far up your own ass it's pathetic

[Leetonidas]

You guys realize that this is an internet forum and the whole point is to share information we find from various sources (internet, TV, radio, my cousin Vinny)?

This isn't a pissing contest about whose "sources" are more legitimate, just be glad we have something to talk about after the last few years
Yeah that was my point. Anytime we have a thread discussing rumors or moves and someone posts a tweet of someone talking about the Spurs, Mr. Dickhead is the first person to call bullshit and try to police discussion. Just pointing out the hypocrisy is all. Carry on.

[exstatic]

He also has never committed to saying they're going Wemby as The Pick in any way, shape, or form.
Never trust a GM to tell the truth this time of the year.
If they are... they're incompetent.

The NBA has prohibited them from saying it. Building up some fake ass suspense.

[tonight...you]

The NBA has prohibited them from saying it. Building up some fake ass suspense.
I know, but you can easily skirt that with generic quotes like:

"We're not going to overthink this" or,
"We're going to take who we perceive to be the best player on the Board and we think that player is obvious. We're not going to screw this up.",
"Not saying who we will be taking, but this is a Tim Duncan-like opportunity",
etc, etc...

[Dex]

Yeah that was my point. Anytime we have a thread discussing rumors or moves and someone posts a tweet of someone talking about the Spurs, Mr. Dickhead is the first person to call bullshit and try to police discussion. Just pointing out the hypocrisy is all. Carry on.

Imagine you're a deer. You're prancing along, you get curious, you spot a little intel, you put your little deer lips down to the mainstream media..

BAM! A fuckin' bullet rips off part of your head! Your brains are laying on the ground in little bloody pieces!

Now I ask ya. Would you give a fuck what kind of source the son of a bitch who shot you was using?


....sorry, I just really wanted someone to notice My Cousin Vinny reference. Move along :lol Draft in two days!!

[ismael-robert]

So no spurs intel...nba forum?

[buttsR4rebounding]

Imagine you're a deer. You're prancing along, you get curious, you spot a little intel, you put your little deer lips down to the mainstream media..

BAM! A fuckin' bullet rips off part of your head! Your brains are laying on the ground in little bloody pieces!

Now I ask ya. Would you give a fuck what kind of source the son of a bitch who shot you was using?


....sorry, I just really wanted someone to notice My Cousin Vinny reference. Move along :lol Draft in two days!!

…but maybe the laws of physics don’t exist in this forum…

[Dex]

…but maybe the laws of physics don’t exist in this forum…

No self-respecting southerner uses instant news.

[DAF86]

Offering Dallas draft capital that they can turn into a player, in return for the 10 and taking Bertans COULD maybe work.

Simmons’s podcast mentioned that Bertans’s deal turns into a one year deal if he plays 75% of the season?

feel like they could thread the needle and get that done.

Bertans and #10 for Keldon Jonhson and #33? Do yall think Mavs go for that?

If not, Waht about Bertans and #10 for Keldon, #33 and the Pelicans pick for next year? That's the absolute most I would give if I'm the Spurs.

[rascal]

Brian Wright was quoted saying Johnson and Vassell were off limits in trade talks.

That's dumb to say. Better to say nothing about the current players.

If someone came to them with a great trade package they really like then they are not going to make that trade?

[PhantomDashCam]

Bertanas and #10 for Keldon Jonhson and #33? Do yall think Mavs go for that?

If not, Waht about Bertans and #10 for Keldon, #33 and the Pelicans pick for next year? That's the absolute most I would give if I'm the Spurs.

I don't think the Spurs will ever trade a key player, fan favorite (arguable though based on ST posts) to a Western Conference rival, much less an interstate one.

[DAF86]

I don't think the Spurs will ever trade a key player, fan favorite (arguable though based on ST posts) to a Western Conference rival, much less an interstate one.

What do we consider "key"? I like Keldon but he just doesn't seem to be a winning player. Many key flaws in his game. Shaky 3 pt shooting, bad defense and overall just doesn't seem to have a feel for the game.

[PhantomDashCam]

What do we consider "key"? I like Keldon but he just doesn't seem to be a winning player. Many key flaws in his game. Shaky 3 pt shooting, bad defense and overall just doesn't seem to have a feel for the game.

Broadly speaking, I think a key cog would be anybody on a team who averages over 24 MPG for one or several seasons. KJ's career average is right at 30.
That's not even tying into the cultural and hierarchical roots Keldon took on this prior season.

Not claiming that Wembenyama will be a magical panacea for all of the Spurs and KJs ills. However, expect there to be a fair few of these flaws to be somewhat mitigated
and KJs strengths to really shine next season as a result of the #1 pick.

[rascal]

And you're just a giant fucking twat. Congratulations

Sorry I don't post long winded elementary level analysis and try to pass it off as intellectual discourse like you. You're so far up your own ass it's pathetic


Mr Body has some in here falling for his analysis(Like Ex) and has many sold on Black. Not I

No shot, no burst Black is going to be a bust. He and Miller are the busts in the top ten. Not Scoot or Amen.

[Dverde]

Hearing Dallas and Utah are working out a deal for #10. Bert to Utah, not sure the return for Dallas maybe #29. I wonder how high Utah could get packaging picks #9 and #10…

[offset formation]

Imagine you're a deer. You're prancing along, you get curious, you spot a little intel, you put your little deer lips down to the mainstream media..

BAM! A fuckin' bullet rips off part of your head! Your brains are laying on the ground in little bloody pieces!

Now I ask ya. Would you give a fuck what kind of source the son of a bitch who shot you was using?


....sorry, I just really wanted someone to notice My Cousin Vinny reference. Move along :lol Draft in two days!!

I just became sexually attracted to you Dex.

[ducks]

So no spurs intel...nba forum?

Spurs want to trade up
Trying to figure what others are doing is spurs related

[Mr. Body]

Hearing Dallas and Utah are working out a deal for #10. Bert to Utah, not sure the return for Dallas maybe #29. I wonder how high Utah could get packaging picks #9 and #10…

Probably the 16 from Utah.

[PhantomDashCam]

Revisiting timvps Draft Time articles from last year also leads to some interesting speculation and possibly trends:
https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-draft-day-intel-rumors-discussions/


Following the NBA combine, I heard a lot about how impressed the Spurs were about Branham after talking to him. In the post-combine Big Board (https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-big-board-2022-nba-draft-combine/), I had Branham 11th and wrote the following:“Last year, Scottie Barnes and Joshua Primo were the two players who reportedly interviewed the best at the combine. This year, Branham was one of the two players who got rave reviews for his interviews.”



“Wesley had a workout in San Antonio and his representatives are saying that the Spurs expressed a lot of interest in their client. It’s impossible to know how much truth there is in that but he’s definitely someone I could imagine the Spurs picking at 20 or 25.”
That group workout is already legendary. It consisted of Wesley, Branham, Dyson Daniels, Wendell Moore, Ryan Rollins and Bryce McGowens. The prospects played three-on-three and the matches were shockingly intense, I was told. In fact, I was told a couple of the players had to be separated a few times.

Of the six players, Wesley was supposedly the best of the bunch. No one could stay in front of him, not even the defense-first prospects in Daniels (who was picked eighth in the draft) and Moore (who went 26th). Following that group workout, Wesley’s agency was very confident that the Spurs were supremely interested in their client — and told me as much.

Brian Wright said that Wesley was within the top 20 on the Spurs front office’s board. He was 18th on our Big Board — so, again, that fits.



One discussion I had stands out because the scout made the great point that the Spurs managed to get three first round prospects that are on three separate development tracks. Sochan is on the fast track and should be ready to help right away. Branham is on the intermediate track. He’ll need some seasoning but he won’t require more than a half-season in the G League. That leaves Wesley, who legitimately needs a lot of seasoning and a lot of developmental work. A season or a season and a half in the G League is likely on the menu for him.

The Spurs will have three first round draft picks on the roster next season but there shouldn’t be much overlap if you look at each player and his developmental track. Yes, Branham and Wesley are essentially the same size but they’ll be able to develop concurrently due to where they are on their learning curves.

[Uriel]

Revisiting timvps Draft Time articles from last year also leads to some interesting speculation and possibly trends:
https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-draft-day-intel-rumors-discussions/
Great finds, thanks :tu

[Mr. Body]

Mr Body has some in here falling for his analysis(Like Ex) and has many sold on Black. Not I

No shot, no burst Black is going to be a bust. He and Miller are the busts in the top ten. Not Scoot or Amen.

:lol Why are you idiots so obsessed with me?

[objective]

Reports on Twitter that Micic is in OKC attempting to resolve his situation, either with a deal for next year or a trade involving his rights

[Ariel]

Reports on Twitter that Micic is in OKC attempting to resolve his situation, either with a deal for next year or a trade involving his rights
Probably teams like Phoenix, Miami, Lakers, could use a guy like that.

[mo7888]

Probably teams like Phoenix, Miami, Lakers, could use a guy like that.

He could absolutely be a target for us.

[Mr. Body]

You think they'd go get a 29 year old rookie who hasn't played a lick of NBA ball who will probably cost a 1st round pick?

[objective]

You think they'd go get a 29 year old rookie who hasn't played a lick of NBA ball who will probably cost a 1st round pick?

Probably not, but it would depend on the protection of the pick wouldn't it?

If it's top 25 protected that converts to 2 seconds then it seems a reasonable exchange. If he contributes to a historic turnaround it would be worth it

[mo7888]

You think they'd go get a 29 year old rookie who hasn't played a lick of NBA ball who will probably cost a 1st round pick?

Not if the cost is a 1st rd pick...but, if it were a couple of future 2nd's... absolutely...

[Mr. Body]

Not if the cost is a 1st rd pick...but, if it were a couple of future 2nd's... absolutely...

If we want a backup who will get obliterated on defense, sure.

[mo7888]

If we want a backup who will get obliterated on defense, sure.

His offensive skill set more than makes up for it especially considering that we would have defenders behind him.

[Dverde]

I asked my Mavs source about Keldon and Spurs have him off limits. They don’t want to trade anyone including McNuggets. Devonte Graham is who they are willing to move to make salaries work.

[Chinook]

That would be sad, because I think Graham has a good role in front of him this year. Hell, he might even start.

[Mr. Body]

The salaries don't have to work. The Spurs can just absorb salary.

[Dverde]

That would be sad, because I think Graham has a good role in front of him this year. Hell, he might even start.

They don’t even want to trade him, it’s more for salary filler for Bert. Sounds to me like Dallas has moved on to Utah and others to offload Bert.

[Chinook]

They don’t even want to trade him, it’s more for salary filler for Bert. Sounds to me like Dallas has moved on to Utah and others to offload Bert.

As MB said, the Spurs don't need to trade anyone as outgoing salary. Now if the Spurs intend to use all their space on some other acquisition, that's another thing. But I doubt Dallas is desperate to not have a trade exception. No deal is likely to be consummated until after the moratorium anyway, which would give the Mavs plenty of time to find a third team to give them a player if they want it.

[Dverde]

I think the Mavs #10 to the Spurs is dead. It had some legs a weeks ago, but it seems buried now.

[Mr. Body]

The Mavericks always needed a player to contribute out of this draft. The Spurs never had that to offer.

[heyheymymy]

I know the Mavericks are tying to find a deal for the pick but it never seemed right for DAL to trade that pick after they tanked out of the playoffs to get under the top ten protection to keep it from the Knicks and took a $750,000 financial penalty from the league for doing so. Nothing for cash Cuban but still the optics.

Not saying they won't still move it but I bet there is a pretty high barrier on any deal due to the circumstances that led to getting the pick.

[Ariel]

You think they'd go get a 29 year old rookie who hasn't played a lick of NBA ball who will probably cost a 1st round pick?
He's not going to command a first round pick, maybe a couple future 2nds I suppose.

[Mr. Body]

I know the Mavericks are tying to find a deal for the pick but it never seemed right for DAL to trade that pick after they tanked out of the playoffs to get under the top ten protection to keep it from the Knicks and took a $750,000 financial penalty from the league for doing so. Nothing for cash Cuban but still the optics.

Not saying they won't still move it but I bet there is a pretty high barrier on any deal due to the circumstances that led to getting the pick.

How they got the pick has nothing to do with what they'll do with the pick. What players are available and deals are available will determine what they do with the pick.

[heyheymymy]

True, I guess I should look at the pick as a broader asset than that. Actually there's elevated scrutiny whether they trade the pick away or select the pick.

Just a lot a stake after you've crawled a mile over broken glass to get that pick and what you do with it goes under the magnifying glass.

[rankingtear]

- DAL now focused on HOU, trade down for Bertans and 20 per their forum.
- JHS and Bufkin rising
- ATL-DAL deal dead because ATL wants DAL to take Collins.

Bufkin has just too much similarities with Primo/Devin to not be the target. Creativity on finishes and sky high release, he can scale up. Probably a lead guard someday. The question is would they trade KJ to secure him and how much does Wright really value KJ, he is the only one left from the RC era. Big wings with that contract are gold, as someone stated he could be an all star for an up tempo team who prefers a small ball 4 like SAC or IND. If he makes a leap from playing with Victor maybe his value rises so that you can trade him for a better lead guard prospect next draft.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://youtu.be/sQqnySGptnc

- Not a great deal of new content tbh.

- Has Coulibaly going #9 but has heard he may go even higher.

- Has Hendricks going #12 (which he concedes is lower than consensus) but based on intel. he’s hearing,
someone is getting squeezed by the new risers. Hendricks may very well be that guy.

[objective]

Supposedly Micic wants 3 things:

1. Money between 6 and 7 million a year
2. Starting or starters minutes
3. Playing on a contender

Wemby makes the Spurs a contender imo

[Mr. Body]

Why do we want a slow-ass 30 year old who doesn't even try on defense and is shit on that end even against slow Euros?

[BackHome]

Not even sure if this is possible but say the Spurs are in love with Bufkin would Collins to Dallas for there 10th and cap hit Bertans and our 33rd work?

[objective]

Why do we want a slow-ass 30 year old who doesn't even try on defense and is shit on that end even against slow Euros?

I don't remember his full games enough to recall how his defense was

A thunder podcast did not describe him as a bad defender

The reason why to get him would be that he would be relatively cheap, half a McDermott or one Khem Birch, but would likely easily be the best pick and roll creator and passer on the team. Part of Wemby's development will be operating in the pick and roll and having a competent partner there could be of great use. As a cheap player he wouldn't hurt any long term plans

Regardless, the feeling from thunder media was that Micic is just leveraging an NBA threat to get a better contract overseas and more likely to go back to Europe

[JuneJive]

Starter minutes ... contender.

How does that work, lol.

[Seventyniner]

Starter minutes ... contender.

How does that work, lol.

No kidding. He could have one or the other but not both.