OFFICIAL 2023 NBA DRAFT THREA: THURSDAY, JUNE 22, 2023 8PM ET / 5PM PT

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Shocked about Cam Whitmore, I was super high on him. On talent there's no way he's sliding this way, there's got to be something seriously wrong with him.
Not necessarily. Guys have slid due to rumors before. The Spurs got Dejuan Blair that way and he never had a knee problem in his career.

[Dex]

Far cry from the days when the Spurs pick would be scheduled for the commercial break and we would get a seven-second recap before they moved on.

Also a reminder that 2x MVP and now NBA champion Nikola Jokic was literally picked DURING A TACO BELL COMMERCIAL

It's actually sad they try to pack all of this production and bullshit into this. This could all be done in 2 hours, but they try to drag it out to 5 hours and somehow miss the important stuff

[BatManu20]

Houston gonna get Whitmore aren’t they

[lefty20]

Inigo Montoya looking mf

[heyheymymy]

Wow Jamie climbed a little bit

[Uriel]

Whitmore about to be the next DeJuan Blair :wow

[Mr. Body]

Miami Heat select Inigo Montoya

[Obstructed_View]

Houston gonna get Whitmore aren’t they

Or the Dubs.

[Russ]

Jaime gone thank god.

[BatManu20]

Warriors are taking Podziemski.

[ace3g]

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Sources: Golden State is selecting Brandin Podziemski at No. 19.

[PhantomDashCam]

JJ giving GSW both barrels…

”My eyes are on Golden State…they’ve whiffed on their last few first rounders”. :wow

[Rito3d30]

Too much cringe, this sofa session needs to be cut short

[MannyIsGod]

Always brutal when the green room dudes drop

[Degoat]

GD guys are falling!

[Obstructed_View]

His mom is a smokeshow.

[RC_Drunkford]

how many PGs do the Dubs need? :lol

[td4mvp2k]

whitmore and smith jr dropping...

[JPB]

Not necessarily. Guys have slid due to rumors before. The Spurs got Dejuan Blair that way and he never had a knee problem in his career.

Blair had no ACLs, that's why many teams passed. Spurs would probably also had with a higher pick. But they could take a flyer on him as a contender with a lower pick.

[BatManu20]

Houston just stopped whitmore’s slide

[Mr. Body]

Golden State drafts Donte DiVincencio, forgets they already have Donte DiVincencio.

[LeBowen]

So much for all the spurstalk hot takes about trading up for another lottery pick.
Some of you will never learn.

[mo7888]

Houston got Cam..

[Uriel]

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[Degoat]

Think all the PG talk was smoke, spurs will grab a wing that fits the team. Not mad about it lots of good options still.

[exstatic]

Houston just stopped whitmore’s slide

Is that Shams, or are you just spitball in’?

[heyheymymy]

Cam is a good match for HOU it feels

[Robz4000]

Golden State drafts Donte DiVincencio, forgets they already have Donte DiVincencio.

:lol my exact thoughts

[PhantomDashCam]

It would be refreshing with all these players thanking god for putting them in this position,
if Cam Whitmore comes out cursing him for putting him in this shi*show of a team in Houston.

[Obstructed_View]

So much for all the spurstalk hot takes about trading up for another lottery pick.
Some of you will never learn.

First GNSF weird flex of the night, folks. :clap

[Uriel]

All these kids striding on stage wearing loud, bright colored suits to try and stand out. If I were them, I'd wear a black suit and black tie. That would make me really stand out.

[td4mvp2k]

of course houston :lol

[BatManu20]

Houston just stopped whitmore’s slide

[Dex]

These parent interviews are getting so cringe. It's the same thing every time.

I want one just to say what they are thinking...

"Yeah we drug his ass to practice all the time, now he can help pay off our mortgage and buy us new cars!"

[JPB]

Amen and Cam is a pretty good first round for HOU, assuming Cam does'nt indeed have worrying medical issues.

[ismael-robert]

Good take LeBowen...all that wasted time they coulda spent with family or getting sun on their pastey skin

[heyheymymy]

There's been a few parents with that "what new car am I gonna get" look on their faces lol

[JPB]

We're never gonna see the second round.

[Obstructed_View]

These parent interviews are getting so cringe. It's the same thing every time.

I want one just to say what they are thinking...

"Yeah we drug his ass to practice all the time, now he can help pay off our mortgage and buy us new cars!"
You're right though. The parents deserve a bit of a moment to get some credit for this. It's not really for us as fans.

[Death In June]

So, no movement on draft day and no movement in FA. They’re just going see what they have for a season it seems.

[Degoat]

Nick Smith would make a lot of sense here with BKN next pick

[Rito3d30]

Jay just want to hear JJ to talk more

[ducks]

You're right though. The parents deserve a bit of a moment to get some credit for this. It's not really for us as fans.

Yeah I am sure they complained they had to fuck to create the baby and did not kill it

Taking them to practice was so tough to because normal parents do that for all the kids just not the ones that get drafted

[T Park]

Dariq Whitehead..... thats a gamble

[Uriel]

There goes my boy Whitehead. Miller is next on my wish list.

[ismael-robert]

Yeah I am sure they complained they had to fuck to create the baby and did not kill it

Taking them to practice was so tough to because normal parents do that for all the kids just not the ones that get drafted

Big diff btwn 1x week ymca practice versus forking out bunch of money on multiple aau teams and trainers and traveling to tournaments

[mo7888]

If we could move up 6 spots one of:
Nick Smith jr
Rayan Rupert
Leonard Miller
O-Max Prosper

Would be available...

[PhantomDashCam]

Kind of bizarre to talk about Kris Murray then show a highlight package of his brother.

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Yeah I am sure they complained they had to fuck to create the baby and did not kill it

Taking them to practice was so tough to because normal parents do that for all the kids just not the ones that get drafted
Oh hey, dummy. Forgot you were here. Someone taught your retarded ass how to capitalize.

[BatManu20]

O-Max to the Mavs. They’re losing up on defense, as needed

[Obstructed_View]

Kind of bizarre to talk about Kris Murray then show a highlight package of his brother.

That was bizarre.

[heyheymymy]

Colby Jones, Rayan Rupert, Jackson Jr., Nnaj all tumbling towards 33 with 8 slots to go

[Chinook]

So the Spurs could've easily moved up and don't seem to want to? I wonder if they really have plans for their cap space? The Mavs have done really well so far given how limiting their situation seemed.

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Colby Jones, Rayan Rupert, Jackson Jr., Nnaj all tumbling towards 33 with 8 slots to go
Yeah the Spurs very well may end up saying that they didn't trade up because so many guys on their board were still there. They have am excellent chance of getting a targeted player.

[Seventyniner]

Boston takes Sasser at #25, traded to Detroit for #31. I didn't expect Sasser to go that high.

[Degoat]

Gahhhh this where deals can be made easily! Come on wright!

[BatManu20]

Celtics just traded back to #31.

[Chinook]

The Spurs are currently the only team in the top 7 with only one first-rounder.

[thiste]

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1672056073149136905

[Degoat]

Celtics just traded back to #31.

Bet they snag Colby Jones before us

[heyheymymy]

Love the repeat picks for IND and CHA here less likely to go BPA and might feel more comfortable with reaching for fit picks instead.

Pushes down the goods to 33

[mo7888]

Damn you Charlotte..

[heyheymymy]

Dude if Rupert falls to 33 that would be a heist

[BatManu20]

Colby Jones still ripe for the picking.

[td4mvp2k]

i try swapping with clippers

[Knox]

Miller 5th best available…

[Mr. Body]

Colby Jones
Amari Bailey
Nnaji
Trayce JD
L Miller

Some decent picks left

[ace3g]

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With the No. 29 pick, the reigning champion Denver Nuggets are selecting Gonzaga guard Julian Strawther, per source.

[BatManu20]

Strawther to Denver. Called that in one of the other SRP threads. Great pick.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

One of Rupert, Cissoko, Miller, Jones and Walsh would be available at 33 if the Spurs want to keep it.

[Obstructed_View]

Denver just moved up.

[CGD]

Damn you Charlotte..

Sorry i know he was your guy.
Good news is that someone decent should be there at 33

[BatManu20]

Goddammit Spurs.

Woj:
Minnesota has traded to get No. 33 from San Antonio, source tells ESPN.

[ducks]

Tggbb

[ace3g]

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The Timberwolves are sending the Spurs two future second-round picks, source says.



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Minnesota has traded to get No. 33 from San Antonio, source tells ESPN.

[Uriel]

Rayan Rupert and Colby Jones are the highest rated prospects left on timvp's Big Board.

[mo7888]

So we traded 33 for futures 2nds...uggh

[BatManu20]

Yes because 20 Second Rounders in the next 5 years wasn’t enough :lol. Christ.

Woj:

The Timberwolves are sending the Spurs two future second-round picks, source says.

[heyheymymy]

Damn Straw is a solid prospect

IND can afford to swing on gambles with multiple selections

[td4mvp2k]

there guy must of got picked already

[heyheymymy]

Damn Straw is a solid prospect

IND can afford to swing on gambles with multiple selections

[Uriel]

WTF.

[Uriel]

So many good prospects still left on the board. Why trade 33 for two second rounders that will likely be worse??

[RC_Drunkford]

do we really need more 2nd round picks? :lol Are we gonna draft somebody with 44 or are we trading that one for cash? :lol

[Degoat]

Bummer gotta hope Bailey or Walsh fall to 44? Feel like 44 will go to a guy that agreed to a 2 way deal tho hope I’m wrong

[Seventyniner]

lmao, you can't make this up. I guess the Spurs really didn't want any more rookies this year?

#33 plus two future seconds to move up to #26 or so would have been a better use of assets imo, but maybe that was never possible.

[heyheymymy]

What the fuck 33 could be good why dump out?

[Degoat]

Bummer gotta hope Bailey or Walsh fall to 44? Feel like 44 will go to a guy that agreed to a 2 way deal tho hope I’m wrong

[K...]

GOOD NIGHT GUYS

[BatManu20]

Can’t Believe I just sat here for 3 hours waiting for that pick just to get cucked by the Spurs :lol

[PhantomDashCam]

More pissed the Spurs didn’t make this trade earlier in the night so we could at least get on with rest of it :lol

[timtonymanu]

Meh. Spurs got Wemby. Not gonna lose sleep or lose my shit over a rookie PG not being drafted. :lol they will be fine.

[RC_Drunkford]

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[Chinook]

lmao, you can't make this up. I guess the Spurs really didn't want any more rookies this year?

#33 plus two future seconds to move up to #26 or so would have been a better use of assets imo, but maybe that was never possible.

The Mavs got 24 for taking on Holmes' contract. Moving up was 100-percent possible. The Spurs just didn't want to, in my opinion

[Robz4000]

:lol how many aecond rounders do the Spurs have now?

[PhantomDashCam]

I’m excited for how much the Spurs must love Blake Wesley that they’re willing to trade out of a pretty deep draft with competitive/comparable talent.

[objective]

33 as an early second is worth quite a bit. What are these seconds going to be? More crap I expect

[DAF86]

Why trade 33 with a bunch of decent prospects still available for 2 future 2nd round picks? I really don't understand it.

[RC_Drunkford]

we'll probably sign some undrafted guys on 2-way contracts

[ace3g]

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Sources: Charlotte is acquiring James Nnaji at No. 31 from Boston and sending Nos. 34 and 39 to the Celtics.

[lefty20]

Got some greedy mfs up in here. I know the allure of potential is helluva drug, but the grass ain't always greener on the other side.

[jesterbobman]

Annoying, but makes sense if they think that the dredge of the roster is about the same value as the guys left at 33 / 44, and they don't see a big drop off from 33 to 44. I think the board is similar.

After Miller, there's still Walsh, Jackson, Lewis, Sissoko, Rupert, JJ, Trace...one of those guys could be at 44.

[DAF86]

Got some greedy mfs up in here. I know the allure of potential is helluva drug, but the grass ain't always greener on the other side.

Can you rationalize giving up 33 for 2 future 2nd round picks that will probably end up being lower than that? Besides, if there was a draft with value for early 2nd round picks, it was this one.

[vander]

those Minny picks are going to be 40+ probably even 45+

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Celtics are trading Colby Jones to the Kings for No. 38 and a future second rounder, sources said.


Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Sources: Boston is selecting Colby Jones at No. 34. twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1… (https://t.co/Z8rZKX2Rl3)

[lefty20]

Can you rationalize giving up 33 for 2 future 2nd round picks that will probably end up being lower than that? Besides, if there was a draft with value for early 2nd round picks, it was this one.

I'd wager that they valued Wesley & Champagnie more than what was left on the board, tbh.

[ace3g]

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Sources: The Bulls are acquiring the No. 35 pick from Wizards and selecting Julian Phillips.

[Obstructed_View]

Can you rationalize giving up 33 for 2 future 2nd round picks that will probably end up being lower than that? Besides, if there was a draft with value for early 2nd round picks, it was this one.
Yeah. If you're happy with the team you have, then the list of guys to draft becomes shorter. If nobody on your list is there, you trade the picks. With the new CBA second round picks have a lot of value. The Spurs probably have a couple of undrafted guys they will invite and send to SL. Why pick a player you don't want?

[Uriel]

More pissed the Spurs didn’t make this trade earlier in the night so we could at least get on with rest of it :lol
Hard same.

[ace3g]

grrr

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Sources: Bucks are picking Andre Jackson at No. 36.

[Degoat]

Still some talent gonna be available at 44 but no telling what will do lol

[SPURt]

Spurs are about someone not on anyone's board whom they would've picked at 33 if they couldn't trade.

[Uriel]

If Ryan Rupert falls to 44 :wow

[Uriel]

IF you had told me at the beginning of the night the Spurs would've picked Leonard Miller at 33, I would've been so happy :(

[Degoat]

Not gonna lie the guys I was intrigued by at 33 are still available!!

[MannyIsGod]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1672088528807706625?t=UK_BskHxDAkxYlkiueOT7g&s=19

Spurs at 44?

[SpurPadre]

Can’t blame Spurs for not wanting to keep a Leonard…

[Degoat]

Way to many GD commercials!

[Robz4000]

:lol if Rupert falls to 44

[Ariel]

4 picks to go. Best available IMO:
Amari Bailey
Rayan Rupert
Sidy Cissoko
Trayce Jackson-Davis

[Uriel]

Ryan Rupert at 44 pls basketball gods :cry

[Uriel]

How is Amari Bailey any different from Tre Jones?

[Degoat]

That Chris Livingston guys follows Keldon and Branham on Instagram….

[PhantomDashCam]

There are going to be some legit undrafted FA available. Think the Spurs will still come out of this draft with 3 rookies

[Uriel]

If Portland takes Rupert at 43, it will be like when they took Batum.

[lefty20]

Blazers with the cock block lol

[Uriel]

FUCK.

[Chinook]

Two guys I wanted at 33 got all the way to 42 and 43. Ugh.

[The Truth #6]

Brutal

[Uriel]

F U PORTLAND.

FIRST BATUM NOW RUPERT.

[cd98]

If Spurs wanted anyone in the 2nd round, they would have kept the pick they traded.

[spursparker9]

lol Fuck portland

[LeBowen]

If Spurs actually wanted any of these guys, they wouldn't have traded away the 33rd pick.

[Uriel]

Kris Murray highest pick left on timvp's Big Board.

[SpurPadre]

You guys had to fucking put that out into the world smh.

[lefty20]

Oh hey, we still got a French guard.

[The Truth #6]

The French Jack Haley? You just knew they were grabbing whatever French guy was left.

[Robz4000]

Don't hate Cissoko tbh.

[Chinook]

I do get the feeling the Spurs were hoping Rupert would fall, but Cissoko is also interesting. That the Spurs probably could've gotten both isn't lost on me. But if he has a chance to fit into the future guard rotation, it's an interesting pick.

[Obstructed_View]

Spurs get a guy committed to defense.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I like Cissoko more than Rupert, had him at 33.

[DAF86]

I do like Cissoko's game, but those shooting problems, man. They are serious.

[lefty20]

Dame: You gonna build me a real team, right?

Blazers: Of course, we are we've learned from our mistake of trying to make it work with 2 guards. So now we'll go with 5: Dame, Scoot, Anf, Sharpe & Rupert.

[Robz4000]

Blazers with the cock block lol

:lol basically a tradition at this point

[heyheymymy]

Classic early over reaction here but I'm glad Spurs landed #1 overall and Victor because the rest of the draft especially the 2nd round have just been pure nightmare juice to me.Oh well it'll obvs crystalize in time as most Spurs decisions do. And can't really cry about round 2 because with 33 Spurs seem like they just didn't want anyone since they could've kept 33 to use if they did.

[Ariel]

If Portland takes Rupert at 43, it will be like when they took Batum.
BS. Every team in the second round has been able to cheaply trade into whatever spot they wanted to get their target. The Spurs could have gotten Rupert a zillion times, if they waited until 44 they really didn't think much of him.

[heyheymymy]

man POR with a nice nice night ScootKris MurrayRayan Rupert

[TekXX]

Forget Austin, are we moving to Paris?

[exstatic]

Not necessarily. Guys have slid due to rumors before. The Spurs got Dejuan Blair that way and he never had a knee problem in his career.

That’s a funny way of looking at it. No, he never tore an ACL, because he didn’t have one left to tear in either knee. Because of that, both knees lacked stability, and by the time he got to Dallas, they were bone on bone. His career lasted 6 years. What they were saying about DeJaun wasn’t rumors,and it all came to pass.

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Dame: You gonna build me a real team, right?

Blazers: Of course, we are we've learned from our mistake of trying to make it work with 2 guards. So now we'll go with 5: Dame, Scoot, Anf, Sharpe & Rupert.
No idea what they think they are doing. Dame can't be happy with this, can he?

[Ariel]

I do get the feeling the Spurs were hoping Rupert would fall, but Cissoko is also interesting. That the Spurs probably could've gotten both isn't lost on me. But if he has a chance to fit into the future guard rotation, it's an interesting pick.
"hoping"? The Spurs could have gotten Rupert with 33 but traded it away, could have easily and cheaply traded for any 2nd rounder (lost count of how many trades there were) and didn't. Evidently they don't think much of Rupert, so "hoping" doesn't seem to fit reality here.

[SpurPadre]

man POR with a nice nice night ScootKris MurrayRayan Rupert

Not nicer than our night and that’s what matters the most.

[heyheymymy]

Spurs maintain stated priority of franchise flexibility and add to the future draft captial treasure chest.Dumping out of the 2nd round makes me think the FA period will be active for SA. Keeping those roster slots open. Could end up being better than anything that could've happened draft night anyway.Also wonder if Cissoko agreed to a stash rights or Two-Way deal with #44 which may have been the only appeal SA had left after Victor #1 all along.

[lefty20]

No idea what they think they are doing. Dame can't be happy with this, can he?

They're basically daring him to ask for a trade. Trading him forcibly wouldn't be a good look, so they're just hoping to force him to demand it and look like the good guys for accommodating it.

[Robz4000]

No idea what they think they are doing. Dame can't be happy with this, can he?

100% he's moving on tbh.

[Obstructed_View]

That’s a funny way of looking at it. No, he never tore an ACL, because he didn’t have one left to tear in either knee. Because of that, both knees lacked stability, and by the time he got to Dallas, they were bone on bone. His career lasted 6 years. What they were saying about DeJaun wasn’t rumors,and it all came to pass.
Not sure where you got this info from. The ACL doesn't prevent bone on bone, it provides stability, so it sounds like you're making shit up. Blair had commitment issues, conditioning issues and drug issues, but no knee issues. He played in Austin a few years ago. He was washed up but his knees were fine.

[John B]

Houston with Amen and (steal of the draft) Whitmore? Damn

[Obstructed_View]

They're basically daring him to ask for a trade. Trading him forcibly wouldn't be a good look, so they're just hoping to force him to demand it and look like the good guys for accommodating it.
I wouldn't want Chris Paul, but I'd be okay with Lillard. :lol

[heyheymymy]

Since the pay scale isn't staggered in the 2nd round I don't see POR robbing the Spurs hopes of Rupert falling to 44. There is no added advantage to letting a guy avail at 33 fall to 44. Unless that drop coerced them into agreeing to a more franchise favorable Two-Way or something maybe?

33 was the chance to grab any of those guys if they wanted and they didn't so I don't feel too bad after all.

Guess that is the indication of SA being at a developmental capacity maxout now. Hope they go after some established players in free agency now.

[Biggems]

I wonder if Sacramento would have drafted Kris Murray had Portland not taken him one pick before.

[heyheymymy]

Kinda curious to see how Ausar Thompson fits into the core of Jade/Cade/Duren

[Biggems]

I was shocked that Pickett went 32. I really thought he would be there at 44 or even as a UDFA.

[heyheymymy]

Yeah sucks we might have been 1 slot off from the Murray Bros at SAC not sure if that fits or was on the Kings board even or if you want bros on the same team. Kinda cool though that you get a Murray bros Pacific division Northwest division regional rivalry going now between SAC and POR.

[John B]

I wouldn't want Chris Paul, but I'd be okay with Lillard. :lol

Do you want to pay close to 100 mil in two years that Spurs are not even contending? He’d 35 after that.. nah

[T Park]

I'll guess, but im a moron, that 33 you kind of HAVE to give them a guaranteed deal, and the Spurs didn't like any that were there and thought them worthy of a guarantee. Cissoko will take a 2 way, and prob be up in January hes that good.

Great value.

[Mr. Body]

Houston with Amen and (steal of the draft) Whitmore? Damn

Rockets are going to be fun to watch. Only one player on the team who knows how to play basketball and it's the guy who speaks Turkish.

[heyheymymy]

Feels like Ime could do something with HOU. Lotta knuckleheads but super athletic team if you can corral the madness like Udoka perhaps could? Amen and Cam is a pretty heisty draft night down in H-Town adding to Green/Sengun/Jr/Eason but can the locker room stay level?

[T Park]

I'll guess, but im a moron, that 33 you kind of HAVE to give them a guaranteed deal, and the Spurs didn't like any that were there and thought them worthy of a guarantee. Cissoko will take a 2 way, and prob be up in January hes that good.

Great value.

[SpursFan86]

Trayce Jackson-Davis still available…wow

[T Park]

if Jackson-Davis goes undrafted, the Spurs HAVE to pounce on that. he would be a clear upgrade to Bassey at the back up 5.

[Biggems]

wizards just snatched him up

[SpursFan86]

Damn, Warriors trade to get TJD. Really nice move by them IMO.

[John B]

Spurs maintain stated priority of franchise flexibility and add to the future draft captial treasure chest.Dumping out of the 2nd round makes me think the FA period will be active for SA. Keeping those roster slots open. Could end up being better than anything that could've happened draft night anyway.Also wonder if Cissoko agreed to a stash rights or Two-Way deal with #44 which may have been the only appeal SA had left after Victor #1 all along.

Stash? The guy already plays for Ignite. But Spurs have that 3rd 2way. I guess he gets that. He develops more and plays some with the big club and see. He’s a big defensive combo guard 6’8” and can facilitate. He could be the defensive PG they’re looking for by the end of the day at #44th pick! Spurs did it again.

[heyheymymy]

agree T Park that 33 is basically a late first and there might've bee a disconnect between the level of commitment/guarantee a player expected there and SA's vacancy or lack thereof to oblige or inclination to be impressed enough with anyone avail to make the room for them if they could.

[Mr. Body]

I think TJD is going to the Suns, which is superb for them. Get the fuck off Ayton.

[SpursFan86]

I think TJD is going to the Suns, which is superb for them. Get the fuck off Ayton.

He’s going to GS per Shams.

[Robz4000]

Excluding Wemby, I give the Spurs a B+/A- for this draft tbh. Got two more seconds while getting an interesting two-way player. Some players fell that would've been interesting but overall they keep max flexibility and add more assets. That being said, they gotta start consolidating these picks soon.

[Biggems]

dammit, the warriors can now move on from Green. TJD will be his immediate replacement and a lot less of a headache.

[Mr. Body]

He’s going to GS per Shams.

All this shit is so confusing.

That's a perfect spot for him. He can set screens and roll and is a great facilitator.

[Obstructed_View]

Do you want to pay close to 100 mil in two years that Spurs are not even contending? He’d 35 after that.. nah

If I agreed that they wouldn't contend with him, I'd answer your question.

[Obstructed_View]

Excluding Wemby, I give the Spurs a B+/A- for this draft tbh. Got two more seconds while getting an interesting two-way player. Some players fell that would've been interesting but overall they keep max flexibility and add more assets. That being said, they gotta start consolidating these picks soon.
Agree. Still have lots of opportunities. Going into the free agent period, as well as having some tradeable assets going into the season.

[Seventyniner]

I still give the draft an A+++ cause we got a generational talent and that far outweighs whatever #33 might have been.

[spurraider21]

Excluding Wemby, I give the Spurs a B+/A- for this draft tbh. Got two more seconds while getting an interesting two-way player. Some players fell that would've been interesting but overall they keep max flexibility and add more assets. That being said, they gotta start consolidating these picks soon.
excluding wemby, i give them no better than a D+ or C-

cissoko dart throw at 44 is fine

but not moving up despite all the smoke that they wanted to do so? especially when it didnt seem all that hard to move up. the mavs literally bought the #24 overall pick just by taking on a richaun holmes contract. and thats still a net savings from them considering they were able to dump bertans. they moved back and got lively, and used the asset from moving back (trade exception) get get back into the first and take prosper.

we saw the cost to move from 31 to 25 was two 2nd rounders. there clearly was an ability for us to move up and nab a difference making guard. didnt do that, fine. but then... piss away a very high 2nd rounder for what, 2 future 2nd rounders in drafts that might not have this kind of depth and probably wont be as high in the draft as this one? just absurdity. we need to be consolidating our stockpile of picks, not piling onto it. we're gonne probably end up selling at least 4-5 of our second rounders for cash

[Mr. Body]

Guys, we got at 44 the tier of player we could have had at 33.

[heyheymymy]

Spurs controlled their destiny in the 2nd round. Nothing was taken from them once the 2nd round started. They held a selection position with tons of good stuff available and decided not to proceed. All choice no robbery.

I do wonder however if Strawther was the Spurs 33 target because that phone to Minny dialed out pretty quick right about the same time Straw went late first.

[Uriel]

Guys, we got at 44 the tier of player we could have had at 33.
Perhaps, but Colby Jones, Leonard Miller, Amari Bailey, Tristan Vukcevic, and Rayan Rupert were all available at 33 but not 44.

[rankingtear]

The Sidy interest was reported an hour before the draft. Plus the agent connection he was going to be the pick at 44 from the start.

[PhantomDashCam]

Spare a thought for Hornets fans right now. They're doing it tough. :lol

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[JPB]

Perhaps, but Colby Jones, Leonard Miller, Amari Bailey, Tristan Vukcevic, and Rayan Rupert were all available at 33 but not 44.

And why were all these guys still available at 33? Why was Rupert still available at 43? Who tagged them as interesting targets for the spurs? I mean besides ST.

[Mr. Body]

Perhaps, but Colby Jones, Leonard Miller, Amari Bailey, Tristan Vukcevic, and Rayan Rupert were all available at 33 but not 44.

Only Colby Jones seems like an outlier. And the team seems to value upshot value in Cissoko more than a ready made player.

Leonard Miller has talent but has a ways to go and his defensive metrics are really bad.

Vukcevic just shoots. He's good at it, but that's it. We have Mamukelashvili who does far more.

Rupert. He has the same niche and basically the same build as Blake Wesley and he's behind him in offensive skill. Cissoko is the better pick.

[JPB]

Btw Dejounte my man, bring your ass here and tell me again how Rupert is a better prospect than Bilal :)

[daslicer]

dammit, the warriors can now move on from Green. TJD will be his immediate replacement and a lot less of a headache.

I wish they would move Green; it would make them less insufferable to watch but I don't think they will.

[scott]

If the Spurs had take Cissoko at 33 and traded 44 for cash, no one here would have an issue. Funny how that works sometimes.

Fact is we got the best player, added assets, and added another development prospect, and didn’t negatively impact our flexibility going forward. Firm handshakes all around.

[John B]

Spare a thought for Hornets fans right now. They're doing it tough. :lol

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Why? They already have Melo who will be great with Miller. Scoot would be redundant, likewise Amen and he can’t shoot. Miller is the right pick for Hornets.

[Uriel]

The Sidy interest was reported an hour before the draft. Plus the agent connection he was going to be the pick at 44 from the start.
Source?

[barakz21]

Supposedly Pop had a press conference after the pick was announced. Anyone have a link to a link for that?

[CorrectCrusader]

Love Cissoko!

[LeBowen]

Supposedly Pop had a press conference after the pick was announced. Anyone have a link to a link for that?


https://youtu.be/RlteVNkgINo


https://youtu.be/ZL3am6EKWYQ

[barakz21]

https://youtu.be/RlteVNkgINo


https://youtu.be/ZL3am6EKWYQ

Thank you kind sir!

[rascal]

If the Spurs had take Cissoko at 33 and traded 44 for cash, no one here would have an issue. Funny how that works sometimes.

Fact is we got the best player, added assets, and added another development prospect, and didn’t negatively impact our flexibility going forward. Firm handshakes all around.

Spurs weren't high on anyone in the second round even Cissoko. If they were high on Cissoko they would have picked him at 33. They had to draft someone and he was the best option that fell to 44.
Let's not pretend it was some genius move and Cissoko was the guy they wanted all along and they knew they could get him at 44.

[John B]

Spurs weren't high on anyone in the second round even Cissoko. If they were high on Cissoko they would have picked him at 33. They had to draft someone and he was the best option that fell to 44.
Let's not pretend it was some genius move and Cissoko was the guy they wanted all along and they knew they could get him at 44.

Why not? Rupert was taken 43. It could be either one and they nabbed Sidy and managed to get another SRP in the process.

[spurraider21]

i think the Hornets/Blazers/Rockets/Mavs drafts stood out quite a bit

I dont like that the Hornets took Miller over Scoot because it felt like a fit over BPA pick, but Miller has a pretty high floor as a shooter with his size and good traits on defense. But their follow-up picks of Nick Smith, Nnaji, and Amari Bailey were all solid too. Im not a huge fan of Smith but they got him very late in the first, so hard to hate that. Nnaji is kinda redundant with Mark Williams but that's a hell of a defensive rotation. We have all loved Bailey as a combo guard type. Not sure how everything plays out here with Ball/Rozier/Smith/Bailey, especially since Rozier is pretty early in his deal. Have to figure he gets moved. But that's a lot of options and they're not putting all their eggs in one player's developmental basket. Them liking guards like Smith and Bailey also somewhat justifies the Miller over Scoot pick.

Blazers had Scoot fall into their lap, and they probably have to feel good about the Scoot/Sharpe backcourt future. They might still dangle scoot in trades, but imo they should just deal Lillard and rebuild. But after the Scoot pick, they wound up with 2 other good picks in Kris Murray (should be pretty NBA ready like his brother) and then the more developmental Rayan Rupert who was another board favorite. They can take their time with Rupert given the young perimeter guys they already have. Really like the talent accrual here.

While Amen to Houston was seen as a lock, there was legitimate debate if they should instead take a more NBA ready type guy like Whitmore. Turns out they got both without having to trade. Whitmore fell for a reason, but man, its hard for them to not feel excited about the value at 20. Whitmore is an acceptable shooter, but they really need Amen/Green/Whitmore to make strides in that department for this all to work, but if even 2 of the 3 pan out long term, thats an explosive young core. At the very least, Thompson and Whitmore should be good defenders, which they'll need to cover for Sengun.

Think Dallas was the most shrewd team last night, and really maximized the value of their tank job. We know they wanted defense, and with Hendricks being taken at 9, Lively was the next obvious option for them. Instead of just taking him at 10, they moved back to 2 spots and used that opportunity to dump Bertans for a trade exception, and they took Lively at 12 anyway. They then immediately used that trade exception to basically buy the #24 overall pick (so they swapped out Bertans for Richaun Holmes and got this extra pick instead), with they used on Oliver-Maxence Prosper, one of the better perimeter defenders in the draft. Can't overstate how much they needed guys like Lively and Prosper alongside Luka/Kyrie.

[Big Empty]

Houston/Detroit/Orlando are gonna make some noise soon. Solid young squads

[Mugen]

i think the Hornets/Blazers/Rockets/Mavs drafts stood out quite a bit

I dont like that the Hornets took Miller over Scoot because it felt like a fit over BPA pick, but Miller has a pretty high floor as a shooter with his size and good traits on defense. But their follow-up picks of Nick Smith, Nnaji, and Amari Bailey were all solid too. Im not a huge fan of Smith but they got him very late in the first, so hard to hate that. Nnaji is kinda redundant with Mark Williams but that's a hell of a defensive rotation. We have all loved Bailey as a combo guard type. Not sure how everything plays out here with Ball/Rozier/Smith/Bailey, especially since Rozier is pretty early in his deal. Have to figure he gets moved. But that's a lot of options and they're not putting all their eggs in one player's developmental basket. Them liking guards like Smith and Bailey also somewhat justifies the Miller over Scoot pick.

Blazers had Scoot fall into their lap, and they probably have to feel good about the Scoot/Sharpe backcourt future. They might still dangle scoot in trades, but imo they should just deal Lillard and rebuild. But after the Scoot pick, they wound up with 2 other good picks in Kris Murray (should be pretty NBA ready like his brother) and then the more developmental Rayan Rupert who was another board favorite. They can take their time with Rupert given the young perimeter guys they already have. Really like the talent accrual here.

While Amen to Houston was seen as a lock, there was legitimate debate if they should instead take a more NBA ready type guy like Whitmore. Turns out they got both without having to trade. Whitmore fell for a reason, but man, its hard for them to not feel excited about the value at 20. Whitmore is an acceptable shooter, but they really need Amen/Green/Whitmore to make strides in that department for this all to work, but if even 2 of the 3 pan out long term, thats an explosive young core. At the very least, Thompson and Whitmore should be good defenders, which they'll need to cover for Sengun.

Think Dallas was the most shrewd team last night, and really maximized the value of their tank job. We know they wanted defense, and with Hendricks being taken at 9, Lively was the next obvious option for them. Instead of just taking him at 10, they moved back to 2 spots and used that opportunity to dump Bertans for a trade exception, and they took Lively at 12 anyway. They then immediately used that trade exception to basically buy the #24 overall pick (so they swapped out Bertans for Richaun Holmes and got this extra pick instead), with they used on Oliver-Maxence Prosper, one of the better perimeter defenders in the draft. Can't overstate how much they needed guys like Lively and Prosper alongside Luka/Kyrie.

Agreed with all of those but adding OKC. I like Cason Wallace a lot and should fit in pretty damn well in their backcourt rotation. Add Chet and I think they're comfortably a playoff team next season.

Most importantly, just gotta respect OKC and Dallas' creativity in maneuvering the 1st round. Didn't just sit back and pray that guys fell into their lap, they went after their targets.

[BacktoBasics]

Houston/Detroit/Orlando are gonna make some noise soon. Solid young squads

Seems like Houston has too many guards.

[Mr. Body]

Houston. Amen will be good for them. Whitmore, less so. They have two lead guards who won't look at other players. Now they have a guy who can't see other players. This team is a mess.

Dallas. Shrewd work. O-Max and Lively are limited, but are avid defenders who don't need the ball. Exactly what they need.

Golden State. Podziemski and Jackson-Davis are great pickups for them. Hucked the Poole contract across the continent. Good jobs.

I don't think Gradey Dick solves the problems Toronto is facing.

Detroit was in a weird place and the Ausar fit is difficult.

I feel sorry for Bilal Coulibaly and Kobe Bufkin. Seems like bad places for them to land in WAS and ATL.

Otherwise, my sense that this was a one player draft has grown even stronger. I'm not sure which teams helped themselves considerably. Only the Spurs, with Indiana and Utah maybe second and third.

[Obstructed_View]

Houston. Amen will be good for them. Whitmore, less so. They have two lead guards who won't look at other players. Now they have a guy who can't see other players. This team is a mess.

Dallas. Shrewd work. O-Max and Lively are limited, but are avid defenders who don't need the ball. Exactly what they need.

Golden State. Podziemski and Jackson-Davis are great pickups for them. Hucked the Poole contract across the continent. Good jobs.

I don't think Gradey Dick solves the problems Toronto is facing.

Detroit was in a weird place and the Ausar fit is difficult.

I feel sorry for Bilal Coulibaly and Kobe Bufkin. Seems like bad places for them to land in WAS and ATL.

Otherwise, my sense that this was a one player draft has grown even stronger. I'm not sure which teams helped themselves considerably. Only the Spurs, with Indiana and Utah maybe second and third.

I still don't get that pick. What a dumpster fire. I'm so excited for that first round pick from them.

[Mr. Body]

I still don't get that pick. What a dumpster fire. I'm so excited for that first round pick from them.

From Atlanta? The two picks and the swap, not just one!

But I meant on a personal basis. Bilal seems like a good kid and he's going to be stuck on a disaster team that's going to win no more than 20 games for the forseeable future. Disaster for him. And Bufkin seems like a smart, attentive player and he's stuck on a whirlwind of a team stuck in mediocrity lead by a me-first chucker who nobody likes.

[spurraider21]

Agreed with all of those but adding OKC. I like Cason Wallace a lot and should fit in pretty damn well in their backcourt rotation. Add Chet and I think they're comfortably a playoff team next season.

Most importantly, just gotta respect OKC and Dallas' creativity in maneuvering the 1st round. Didn't just sit back and pray that guys fell into their lap, they went after their targets.
yeah cason will slot in nicely there tbh... he probably will be better served being off-ball for them, at least for now

[Obstructed_View]

From Atlanta? The two picks and the swap, not just one!

But I meant on a personal basis. Bilal seems like a good kid and he's going to be stuck on a disaster team that's going to win no more than 20 games for the forseeable future. Disaster for him. And Bufkin seems like a smart, attentive player and he's stuck on a whirlwind of a team stuck in mediocrity lead by a me-first chucker who nobody likes.

Oh I didn't remember that. All the better.

There was a graphic last night that one of the NBA teams has been in the lottery like 17 of the last 19 years. What in the actualized fuck?

It's really struck me how a team can impact a player's career arc. I feel for these kids that end up with such dumpster-fire organizations.

[JPB]

Agreed with all of those but adding OKC. I like Cason Wallace a lot and should fit in pretty damn well in their backcourt rotation. Add Chet and I think they're comfortably a playoff team next season.

Most importantly, just gotta respect OKC and Dallas' creativity in maneuvering the 1st round. Didn't just sit back and pray that guys fell into their lap, they went after their targets.

They didn't get a generational talent with the first pick.

[R. DeMurre]

The Hendricks, Markkanen, Kessler trio has a ton of potential. His 3pt shooting is obviously nice, but my favorite aspect of Hendricks is that he led the ACC in blocked shots while only averaging 2 fouls per game, while playing nearly 35 mpg. That's a smart shot blocker to have next to Kessler.

[spurraider21]

The Hendricks, Markkanen, Kessler trio has a ton of potential. His 3pt shooting is obviously nice, but my favorite aspect of Hendricks is that he led the ACC in blocked shots while only averaging 2 fouls per game, while playing nearly 35 mpg. That's a smart shot blocker to have next to Kessler.
Kessler/Hendricks as a shotblocking duo... wowza

[rascal]

Why not? Rupert was taken 43. It could be either one and they nabbed Sidy and managed to get another SRP in the process.

If they were high on anyone they would have not traded the 33rd pick they would have drafted the player they were high on there.

[Obstructed_View]

If they were high on anyone they would have not traded the 33rd pick they would have drafted the player they were high on there.
But picking a player just for the sake of picking them! Draft picks have no value if you don't use them right away! This is the only draft that will ever have a good player in the second round! Bit other players drafted a bunch of guys! The Spurs have to keep up!

I'll just stop there.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

i think the Hornets/Blazers/Rockets/Mavs drafts stood out quite a bit


Think Dallas was the most shrewd team last night, and really maximized the value of their tank job. We know they wanted defense, and with Hendricks being taken at 9, Lively was the next obvious option for them. Instead of just taking him at 10, they moved back to 2 spots and used that opportunity to dump Bertans for a trade exception, and they took Lively at 12 anyway. They then immediately used that trade exception to basically buy the #24 overall pick (so they swapped out Bertans for Richaun Holmes and got this extra pick instead), with they used on Oliver-Maxence Prosper, one of the better perimeter defenders in the draft. Can't overstate how much they needed guys like Lively and Prosper alongside Luka/Kyrie.


Agreed on Dallas, but they still have the franchise killer on their team in Kyrie. '23 will be a tumultuous year for them I think. And with Luka wanting to win now it's going to be an interesting sh!t show to watch over there.

[exstatic]

Seems like Houston has too many guards.

Not to mention it's a shit show.

[TD 21]

Trading up for Bufkin would have been tantamount to instant gratification, but not expending probably 3 quality assets on a guy who's ceiling is probably complementary starter and secondary ball handler is probably the better move long term.


If the Spurs had take Cissoko at 33 and traded 44 for cash, no one here would have an issue. Funny how that works sometimes.

Fact is we got the best player, added assets, and added another development prospect, and didn’t negatively impact our flexibility going forward. Firm handshakes all around.

True, but to practically give away a virtual 1st was shocking and I can't remember a comparable off the top.

In the end, they either just valued Wesley (and maybe Mamukelashvili and Champagnie, presuming they're close to locks to be on the team) more than the options at 33 who'd have taken a guaranteed roster spot or figured they'd already poured a year of developmental resources into him and the difference between him options available was negligible.

[thiste]

Victor's joy when Bilal is selected 7th:

https://twitter.com/NBAextra/status/1672063016563515392

[dbestpro]

I think too many players were over rated by many here and the Spurs seem to agree. Smart to hold on to what you got if nothing is clearly better.

[rascal]

But picking a player just for the sake of picking them! Draft picks have no value if you don't use them right away! This is the only draft that will ever have a good player in the second round! Bit other players drafted a bunch of guys! The Spurs have to keep up!

I'll just stop there.

What does anything you have to say here have anything to do with what I said.

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What does anything you have to say here have anything to do with what I said.
It wasn't a real response to what you said. It was a pretend response because what you said is too logical for many who just want to pick bodies.

[Ariel]

https://theathletic.com/4635898/2023/06/23/hollinger-2023-nba-draft-takeaways/

The biggest story on draft night was the slide of Villanova forward Cam Whitmore, the third-rated player on my board, who ended up going 20th to the Houston Rockets. Whitmore was in play as high as the fourth pick with Houston, but in the final days before the draft, more chatter began bubbling up of a potential Whitmore slide.
Talking to sources around the league, who were granted anonymity so they could speak freely, I noticed two reasons cropping up: One, some teams red-flagged Whitmore’s medicals due to concerns about his knees. Second, his workouts and interviews left teams severely underwhelmed. “Comatose” was the description one source used.
The really interesting part was what happened once we got beyond the ninth pick, past the portion of teams that would have had Whitmore on their short list for evaluation in the first place and past the portion that would have been able to work him out. In particular, once the Magic passed on him a second time at No. 11, all the teams beneath them had to start wondering: Do they know something we don’t? That’s when the risk aversion really kicked in.
There is information in a draft slide: Even if you know nothing else about a player, you know the teams who evaluated the player most closely and had the best pre-draft access ended up at, “Thanks, but no thanks.” Sometimes, this is way overblown (perhaps the player was the second choice on everyone’s board). Other times, it becomes apparent in the months and years after the fact why the slide happened.
In this case, you have to really wonder why nobody in the teens decided the risk was worth the potential reward. To use another comparison, Michael Porter Jr. had the worst medicals I have ever seen in a draft prospect and didn’t exactly blow people away in the interview portion either; he ended up going 14th and more than justified that selection as the third option on a championship team. Whitmore fell to No. 20 even as several players with pretty limited upsides went off the board ahead of him.
The stretch of picks after Utah at No. 9, including a run on one-dimensional shooting specialists with pick Nos. 11, 12 and 14, two other small guards and whatever Jalen Hood-Schifino is supposed to be. Houston finally took the plunge, which was interesting because the Rockets had all the pre-draft intel and homework on Whitmore from considering him with the fourth pick. Some felt he was Houston’s second choice at that spot; amazingly, he was still sitting there at No. 20. Until further notice, this was the steal of the draft.
I was super high on Cam Whitmore. Interesting to read why he slid (bad knees and bad attitude in interviews). Still, I would have absolutely taken a chance on him in the teens, I can't believe teams took Jett Howard, Hood-Schifino and Podziemski over him. I wouldn't be at all surprised if once again the Rockets get a better player in the 15-20 range than they did top 5 - 2021: Sengun over Jalen Green, 2022: Tari Eason over Jabari Smith Jr, 2023: Cam Whitmore over Amen Thompson.

[Ariel]

Seems like Houston has too many guards.
Houston doesn't have a good roster (mainly a glut of poor IQ guys) but they have A LOT of talent. If they're smart they should use some of their talent overlap to balance the roster and get a few players who're smart and unselfish. They definitely surpassed Detroit in my book.

[Mr. Body]

Most of Houston's talent is very expensive, tied to high draft picks, and honestly just flat out stupid in terms of basketball. Even an effective guy like Eason is a lunkhead in knowing what to do. They're going to win games when certain players go off, which may be fairly often, but they're never going to win a playoff series. Can't even imagine them getting close to one.

Whitmore is almost going to make the situation worse.

[Ariel]

Most of Houston's talent is very expensive, tied to high draft picks, and honestly just flat out stupid in terms of basketball. Even an effective guy like Eason is a lunkhead in knowing what to do. They're going to win games when certain players go off, which may be fairly often, but they're never going to win a playoff series. Can't even imagine them getting close to one.

Whitmore is almost going to make the situation worse.
Yes, but there is talent there, just not a good framework to make the most of it. They need a few good role players than play team ball, defend and shoot, build up their young guys value, and trade a couple of them by the trade deadline. There is a path towards a better future in Houston, it just requires some tweaking, but it's easy to see a way out of the hell hole they've been in for the last few years.

[Mr. Body]

I see it as more needing pruning rather than tweaking. You have chuckers, you have tunnel vision dudes, you have role players who don't know how to be role players. Then you have some Turkish guy trying to move the ball around and win. And you have a very expensive Jabari Smith waiting in the corner waiting to get the ball. I don't see how any of this can work.

[rascal]

I see it as more needing pruning rather than tweaking. You have chuckers, you have tunnel vision dudes, you have role players who don't know how to be role players. Then you have some Turkish guy trying to move the ball around and win. And you have a very expensive Jabari Smith waiting in the corner waiting to get the ball. I don't see how any of this can work.

They have a good head coach.

[Ariel]

I see it as more needing pruning rather than tweaking. You have chuckers, you have tunnel vision dudes, you have role players who don't know how to be role players. Then you have some Turkish guy trying to move the ball around and win. And you have a very expensive Jabari Smith waiting in the corner waiting to get the ball. I don't see how any of this can work.
It's not that bad, you can do with a couple low IQ guys, just not your entire team. I'd dump KPJ and get a decent PG (Tyus Jones from Washington shouldn't cost too much), sign a veteran center like Lopez, have Ime work with them so that they actually have a game plan and set plays, and once players start to raise their value trade a couple of them (including Jalen Green, preferably).

[BacktoBasics]

They have a good head coach.

That is what is most interesting to me. A real challenge. Definitely not Boston. Gonna be real interesting. Ime can potentially make a real career move here.