Woj: Tre Jones Has Agreed to a 2-yr/$20M Deal with Spurs

[BatManu20]

Dope. Good deal for both parties tbh.

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[lefty20]

Fair deal. Well done, Wright.

[Seventyniner]

I like it.

[timvp]

Sweet. I expected 4 years, $40 million so 2 years, $20 million even better :tu

[Splits]

not an extension tho

[spurraider21]

its palatable

[Kurik]

This is the best outcome for flexibility.

[rankingtear]

Money on point. Years is a win.

[DAF86]

its palatable

Pretty much this. I'm not a fan of paying Tre 10 millions per year, but at a 2 year contract, it isn't as harmful.

[jermaine]

He'll be Dame Dolla's backup so we're good fellas.

[slick'81]

Eat your heart out austin reaves

[BatManu20]

Is this right?

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[spurraider21]

if the spurs rescind Tre's QO, then they cant go over the cap to sign him

the spurs need to keep the QO out there, keep his cap hold at 5.2 mil. make all the signings they want. and then ink tre with bird rights to get over the cap

[DAF86]

Make no mistake about it, Spurs doing Tre a solid here. Ain't no other way Tre was making 10 mil a year, tbh. Maybe a trade of in favour of us in Tre's next contract.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

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Not a single word is correct tbh.

[CGD]

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None of this seems accurate

[poopbox]

Make no mistake about it, Spurs doing Tre a solid here. Ain't no other way Tre was making 10 mil a year, tbh. Maybe a trade of favours in Tre's next contract.

Meh. Colby White got 11 a year from the bulls. I think 10 was Tre market. Good signing by the Spurs. He is a great backup point guard.

[Kurik]

Make no mistake about it, Spurs doing Tre a solid here. Ain't no other way Tre was making 10 mil a year, tbh. Maybe a trade of in favour of us in Tre's next contract.


Nah he got market value, just look at some of these other contracts.

[DAF86]

Meh. Colby White got 11 a year from the bulls. I think 10 was Tre market. Good signing by the Spurs. He is a great backup point guard.

White is considerably better, though.

[DAF86]

Nah he got market value, just look at some of these other contracts.

If he signed a 2 year contract it is because he didn't have those many of options, tbh.

Heck, here folks were saying 4/40 was cheap. Hollinger's 4/70. :lmao

[poopbox]

White is considerably better, though.

I don't know about that.

[Ariel]

Like I said in another thread:

All in all, considering the madness we're seeing elsewhere, this feels like a solid compromise where:
1) Tre gets paid well according to his status (starter on a Spurs team but backup elsewhere)
2) The length is just right in that it aligns with '25 free agency thus not harming the Spurs long term, while it also gives Tre 2 years to prove he's a full time starter period (not just on a tanking team) and deserves to be paid as such.
Fair for both parties.
Now we've kept our main FA, let's go add someone.

[kobyz]

bigtime overpay, basically Gabe Vincent money

[Seventyniner]

tbh I would have preferred a flat 4/40. The cap will be around 164M in year 3 and 181M in year 4 of that contract. 10M for a solid backup PG is good value from a percentage of salary cap standpoint.

I wonder if this is a signal that the Spurs are prioritizing 2025 cap room, and that they won't be looking to offer any 3 or 4 year deals at all this summer. Other than Vassell of course.

[JPB]

I believe it makes sense for both parts, Tre probably betting on himself with that short (but still good money wise) contract and spurs aVOidINg bIG coSTly MisTakEs while keeping some leeway at PG understanding Tre will soon (maybe even this year) will be a bu PG. They clearly don't see Tre as a major part of the future, until proven otherwise... Tre will have to show he belongs in a Victor's competitive team.

[duncan2150]

bigtime overpay, basically Gabe Vincent money

The only thing vincent is doing better than tre is shooting threes, he's a really average player for me.

[spurraider21]

If he signed a 2 year contract it is because he didn't have those many of options, tbh.

Heck, here folks were saying 4/40 was cheap. Hollinger's 4/70. :lmao
:lmao

[Chinook]

I'm glad I overshot. I still hope they get a starter though.

[kobyz]

The only thing vincent is doing better than tre is shooting threes, he's a really average player for me.

Tre is unplayble in a playoff game because of his lack of shooting

[cjw]

They’ll keep him on the QO until all of the smoke clears though you risk a team coming in and doing something stupid (very low likelihood). They may not even need all of that cap space, but they’ll keep the flexibility just in case.

Solid deal.

[Ariel]

Tre is unplayble in a playoff game because of his lack of shooting
He's got a couple of years to improve before we have to worry about that.

[Russ]

Tre is unplayble in a playoff game because of his lack of shooting

He's also tiny. But the contract seems reasonable.

[superbigtime]

Not outrageous

[DPG21920]

A grade. 2 years, below mle money and he’s a good player Sa needed.

[InRareForm]

It's fine

[MultiTroll]

Can we proceed with Wama Championship building now?

Lets get some real pieces.

[TDMVPDPOY]

most of the young guys on the team have no other option, either accept spurs offer or gleague/china peanut contracts

[SpursFanInAustin]

This is the equivalent contract David Robinson signed back in 2001.

[Dex]

This is the equivalent contract David Robinson signed back in 2001.

2001 was 22 years ago

[Utopia]

Solid signing.

[spurraider21]

official now. no more cap space

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[Chinook]

official now. no more cap space

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Is all the cap space gone? Well the Spurs do have NB rights on Barlow. The second-round exception for Cissoko is a bit in flux. I know that exception didn't kick in immediately on July 1, but I do think it probably hit the books during the summer league. Exceptions like the MLE go away if a team is too far under the cap to use them. Others like rookie-scale exception are on the salary as a cap hold. I don't know if the figures we've been talking about have included Cissoko's hold or not and if that even matters. I can't imagine the Spurs paying a million bucks and then signing him to a two-year min deal, though.

[spurraider21]

Is all the cap space gone? Well the Spurs do have NB rights on Barlow. The second-round exception for Cissoko is a bit in flux. I know that exception didn't kick in immediately on July 1, but I do think it probably hit the books during the summer league. Exceptions like the MLE go away if a team is too far under the cap to use them. Others like rookie-scale exception are on the salary as a cap hold. I don't know if the figures we've been talking about have included Cissoko's hold or not and if that even matters. I can't imagine the Spurs paying a million bucks and then signing him to a two-year min deal, though.
room exception?

[Chinook]

room exception?

Only for contracts up to two years. They could've used it to take Payne, I think. But they didn't. Can't use it to give a long-term deal to Cissoko

[exstatic]

Only for contracts up to two years. They could've used it to take Payne, I think. But they didn't. Can't use it to give a long-term deal to Cissoko

Scuttlebutt is that it will be a 2 year deal.

[exstatic]

Is all the cap space gone? Well the Spurs do have NB rights on Barlow. The second-round exception for Cissoko is a bit in flux. I know that exception didn't kick in immediately on July 1, but I do think it probably hit the books during the summer league. Exceptions like the MLE go away if a team is too far under the cap to use them. Others like rookie-scale exception are on the salary as a cap hold. I don't know if the figures we've been talking about have included Cissoko's hold or not and if that even matters. I can't imagine the Spurs paying a million bucks and then signing him to a two-year min deal, though.

Holds are always are included in the cap figure.

[Chinook]

Holds are always are included in the cap figure.

The new second-round pick exception is different. It doesn't show up immediately.

[exstatic]

The new second-round pick exception is different. It doesn't show up immediately.

Fair enough. I guess we'll see.

[stephen jackson]

Crazy we spent all that cap so fast

[Mr. Body]

Tre is official, sounds like. The acquisition period is over.

[exstatic]

Tre is official, sounds like. The acquisition period is over.

Probably not the trade period, though. I don't think they got the players they got, useful vets all on ending deals, without some kind of endgame in mind.

[ChumpDumper]

Crazy we spent all that cap so fast

Does anyone know how much did we get other teams to pay for players traded to us total? I'm interested to see how that compares with the difference between floor and cap.

[spurraider21]

Probably not the trade period, though. I don't think they got the players they got, useful vets all on ending deals, without some kind of endgame in mind.
true but our ability to absorb salary via trade is basically gone

[Mr. Body]

true but our ability to absorb salary via trade is basically gone

Yeah, if they were to trade for Lowry, say, they'd have to operate under above-the-cap rules.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, if they were to trade for Lowry, say, they'd have to operate under above-the-cap rules.
in a lowry consolidation type trade, thats not that big a deal. we'd be wanting to send out 2-3 guys anyway.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Does anyone know how much did we get other teams to pay for players traded to us total? I'm interested to see how that compares with the difference between floor and cap.

From what was reported they got $5.7 mil from Phoenix and probably the 400k owed to Stevens from the Cavs.

[Bruno]

^ And for the 2023-2024 season the max a team can get in cash is $7M. Spurs should be between $6M and $7M in cash received.

[wildbill2u]

Ok; ok. forget all the trades and contracts. Time to play some basketball. I am sooooooo ready

[spurraider21]

Ok; ok. forget all the trades and contracts. Time to play some basketball. I am sooooooo ready
we're months away from that. this is the deadest period of the basketball cycle other than international stuff

[CGD]

per aggregators, looks like:

The guaranteed base salaries are worth approximately $9.9MM and $9.1MM, for a total of $19MM. Jones can earn an extra $1MM in unlikely incentives to increase the total value of the deal to $20MM.

[Bruno]

^ That's a damn nice contract for Spurs.

[JPB]

^ That's a damn nice contract for Spurs.

I wouldn't have given more to Tre. I believe that's about is value right now. Tre probably wanting the short contract to bet on himself for a juicier one in 2 years.

[ace3g]

Reaffirming news
https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1681781362108383232

[spurraider21]

nicely done. will him making 9 mil instead of 10 as we thought in 24/25 really matter in the scheme of things? probably not. but well done regardless. no reason not to frontload this year

[RC_Drunkford]

Nice. Incentives are probably 3-point shooting I‘d guess

[BacktoBasics]

This guy punches way above the rep ST gives him. He’s one of the best backup pgs in the league and can start when needed.

[spurraider21]

spotrac has the incentives as unlikely to be earned

Contract Notes:


Total Incentives: $1 million
2023-24: ULTBE: $520,833
2024-25: ULTBE: $479,167

[Kurik]

Tre is outplaying his contract IMO and honestly none of the PG prospects this year give me hope that they’ll be better than him in 2-3 years. Not saying the PG position can’t/shouldn’t be upgraded but I’m actually hoping we can lock up Tre to another contract next year.

[Mr. Body]

Utterly unsurprised he's outplaying his contract. Once again the SpursTalk Piss-N-Moan crowd takes the L.

[timtonymanu]

lol strange flex by Mr body since practically majority of us on here have been lobbying for Tre.

[RC_Drunkford]

Mr. Body just likes to fantasize about golden showers

[John B]

I like Tre, but I’m rooting for Wesley to get his offensive game better and take that starting PG position. I just feel a whole lot better Wesley defending the last few minutes of the game than Tre. Already Wesley is the best POA defender of the team outside of Wemby. Wesley speed and ability to break defense with his speed, dribble penetration and kicking it out to an open man. The next thing is a floater, a mid-range. Tre has better feel for the game and better floor, but Wesley has the higher ceiling. Even at draft night Wesley was considered the biggest risk but the highest ceiling of the three draftees. Sochan has improved so much, his ballhandling and overall play. I think Wesley will do the same. He seems to be a hard worker, great motor (defending full-court pressure). Wesley has the dog in him. Wesley has shown great composure and minimizing his mistakes and I think he will continually improve. When you’re pkaying with a great player, it’s a great motivation to improve and get on with the possible championship ride. Keldon seems sold with the Manu-sixth-man-role. Sochan workimg hard to be that glue guy, Vassell workimg to be a go-to scorer. Champagnie taking advantage of being able to spread the court. Wesley has just taken Branham’s minutes for his defense. I think he’ll fight to keep it and more.

[offset formation]

Utterly unsurprised he's outplaying his contract. Once again the SpursTalk Piss-N-Moan crowd takes the L.

Unfortunately his size is really the only knock anyone can make against the kid. Despite his effort and IQ he can ne overwhelmed defensively. His effort is there.

His offensive game is steady and improving with a more solid 3pt %.

I'd place him in a solid franchise backup role long term. Short term, he's ABSOLUTELY the starter.

[CGD]

I don’t see why he shouldn’t start for next two years, especially if he starts hitting that corner 3.

[r0drig0lac]

I don’t see why he shouldn’t start for next two years, especially if he starts hitting that corner 3.

as good as he is (?), it's probably the easiest position to upgrade due to the amount of talent around the league

[RC_Drunkford]

I don’t see why he shouldn’t start for next two years, especially if he starts hitting that corner 3.

cause even with a 3-point shot he'd be the worst starting PG in the NBA?

[CGD]

cause even with a 3-point shot he'd be the worst starting PG in the NBA?

Dumb

[SpursBills]

This guy's been playing out of his mind since he got the starting nod. 13/7/4 on 60/40/100 splits. None of this is probably sustainable, but if his 3 point shooting and defense don't regress terribly he's probably a low tier starting point guard in this league. He's now one of only 3 spurs (Wemby and Vassell being the other two) with positive EPM on the season.

[Spursfanfromafar]

This guy's been playing out of his mind since he got the starting nod. 13/7/4 on 60/40/100 splits. None of this is probably sustainable, but if his 3 point shooting and defense don't regress terribly he's probably a low tier starting point guard in this league. He's now one of only 3 spurs (Wemby and Vassell being the other two) with positive EPM on the season.

Indeed. His 3PT shooting, however, is very choosy. Similar to Tony Parker's shots.. mostly corner threes and mostly when he is wide open. So he can continue to maintain a high 3PT accuracy if he picks his shots and his locations wisely. It is not surprising that Jones has a net positive EPM on the season too. He had a net positive D-Raptor and O-Raptor for 2021/22 and 2022/23 as well. The only thing that prevented him from the starting spot was his three point shooting and he seems to be doing much better this season.

The Spurs are a much better team with Jones starting and Sochan getting back to PF duties and also Branham losing his minutes altogether to Wesley. Sochan was a terrible misfit at PG, Wemby didnt make the best of his advantages as a PF and Branham according to EPM is the worst player in the league. Pop and his coaching staff got their lineups terribly wrong for the entire early half of the season before accidentally landing onto Jones starting and Wemby at Center.

Jones playing so well also ensures that the Spurs needn't really fish for a premium starting quality PG in free agency. A decent 6th man or a serviceable star should do while they will have to find the Beta to Wemby's alpha in the form of an All-Star wing to replace Champagnie with Vassell, Johnson and Sochan rounding up the main cast. That will catapult the Spurs to playoff contention. Here's hoping they get lucky in free agency or can pry out an All-Star with all their assets going forward.

[CGD]

That’s great context and data. Certainly matches the eye test.

My point is there is no transcendent PG in this draft to hand the keys on Day 1, and it’s unclear what the trade is this summer (outside of Young?) that accomplishes the same. Whether they draft someone or continue invest in Blake, that will take time. Just give Jones the role for two years until that understudy is ready, a better trade landscape opens, or Jones is able to take a big leap to make him the lead guy.

[SPURt]

Tre has been a breath of fresh air along with the emergence of Wesley. The Spurs would be better served finding someone to replace Julian Champagnie in the starting lineup. If that player was the second best player on the team behind Wemby, it’d be nice. Imagine pairing Kawhi/Giannis/Tatum type player and Wemby.

[Kurik]

Also in 4 years assuming Spurs will be competing in the playoffs and he’s resigned, Tre is the caliber of player we would need leading the bench if we hope to be a contender. He will be just 28 then.

[CGD]

Tre has been a breath of fresh air along with the emergence of Wesley. The Spurs would be better served finding someone to replace Julian Champagnie in the starting lineup. If that player was the second best player on the team behind Wemby, it’d be nice. Imagine pairing Kawhi/Giannis/Tatum type player and Wemby.

I’ve also appreciated how no drama Keldon has been about moving to the bench as the super sub. That is his best position on a future playoff team.

They’ll upgrade the Champ/SF position in this draft btw Rachiser, Cody, or Matas.

[couchman]

Tre’s play has made PG less of an immediate concern.
We could potentially focus on SF with our top pic,especially if that is the BPA.

[RC_Drunkford]

Dumb

name one starting PG worse than Tre Jones, I'll wait. PG is the most stacked position, he'd be one of the best back ups though.

[CGD]

Seriously? It’s a robust list:

Scoot
Fultz
Dinwiddie
Sexton
D-Lo
Rozier
Whoever the Piston PG is these days
Whoever the Wizards PG is these days

I’m positive I’m missing a few too.

[TD 21]

C is the most stacked position.


Seriously? It’s a robust list:

Scoot
Fultz
Dinwiddie
Sexton
D-Lo
Rozier
Whoever the Piston PG is these days
Whoever the Wizards PG is these days

I’m positive I’m missing a few too.

Brogdon is the general starter
Dunn is the general starter (Sexton is the SG)
Cunningham
Jones

Dinwiddie, Fultz, Dunn are the only ones Jones has a case as better than.

[CGD]

C is the most stacked position.



Brogdon is the general starter
Dunn is the general starter (Sexton is the SG)
Cunningham
Jones

Dinwiddie, Fultz, Dunn are the only ones Jones has a case as better than.

Nah

- basically Portland’s starting PG is so bad they need to insert another player to help him wipe his ass

- Kris Dunn who is averaging 5pts/4assists to Tre’s 10 and 5?

- forgot about his bro is WAS. Having been at their last game here in DC, I think the younger Jones has significantly narrowed, if not erased the talent gap.

- DET is a hot mess, though I would happy take Cade off their hands!

- oh, and Miami was starting Fat Lowery up until a few days go. Rozier is a nice pick up tho.

[RC_Drunkford]

Seriously? It’s a robust list:

Scoot
Fultz
Dinwiddie
Sexton
D-Lo
Rozier
Whoever the Piston PG is these days
Whoever the Wizards PG is these days

I’m positive I’m missing a few too.

Brogdon starts at PG for Portland, not Scoot. Sexton plays SG and averages double the points Jones does. Same with D-Lo. Rozier averaged 23 PPG, you're telling me 3 games changed that? Dinwiddie basically has Tre Jones stat line since Tre became the starter, but has a higher one overall.

Stats don't even support your argument. It's Fultz and Dunn that's it and only because Dunn plays 17 minutes per game. This is the same case that people made when we had Trey Lyles start at PF and were amazed cause he can grab 6 rebounds. Tre would be one of the best back ups in the league, but he ain't even average starting material in the NBA.

[rascal]

I’ve also appreciated how no drama Keldon has been about moving to the bench as the super sub. That is his best position on a future playoff team.

They’ll upgrade the Champ/SF position in this draft btw Rachiser, Cody, or Matas.

No, they won't. They are getting Topic

[Jordan Jackson]

They need to find a point guard/play maker.

Tre is not the answer and never will be. When this team is contending Tre won’t be a starter and probably won’t even be on the roster. Which is true for 80%-90% of the players on the current roster.

[timtonymanu]

They better not settle on Tre. He is still very much a backup PG.

[rankingtear]

His numbers as a starter are ridiculous though. I don't know how they going to build this roster but another two-way wing would make him viable as a starter like Conley for MIN.

[HankChinaski]

His contract allows some room to focus on prioritizing looking for a forward with their pick in the draft (Risacher or Williams). I think they could look at trading for a point guard in the off-season or next year's trade deadline. If Toronto's pick conveys maybe look at a PG or just draft another 3 that is a bit raw but has tremendous upside potential like Saluan or Buzelis.

I really need to see more film from all 4 but I like Risacher shooting and Tidjane physical tools. I think you could focus on a PG next year and make a decision on Blake Wesley and Tre Jones future with the team then.

[TD 21]

Nah

- basically Portland’s starting PG is so bad they need to insert another player to help him wipe his ass

- Kris Dunn who is averaging 5pts/4assists to Tre’s 10 and 5?

- forgot about his bro is WAS. Having been at their last game here in DC, I think the younger Jones has significantly narrowed, if not erased the talent gap.

- DET is a hot mess, though I would happy take Cade off their hands!

- oh, and Miami was starting Fat Lowery up until a few days go. Rozier is a nice pick up tho.

Yeah.

- Either that or he's 19, has missed time with injury and they have credible starters in Simons and Brogdon.

- I said Dunn is one Jones has a case for or is better than and :lmao at counting stats without context.

- Nah, Tyus is still clearly better mainly because of his shooting.



His numbers as a starter are ridiculous though. I don't know how they going to build this roster but another two-way wing would make him viable as a starter like Conley for MIN.

Conley can space the floor.

[baseline bum]

No, they won't. They are getting Topic

What makes you think they're getting Topic? No one has any idea where he's getting drafted. Could be anywhere from #2 to #10 based on how he looks in Euroleague to finish the year. He's gotta be the biggest wildcard in the draft.

[baseline bum]

They better not settle on Tre. He is still very much a backup PG.

If they draft a PG gotta imagine Tre is going to still be starting unless dude blows up right away.

[rascal]

What makes you think they're getting Topic? No one has any idea where he's getting drafted. Could be anywhere from #2 to #10 based on how he looks in Euroleague to finish the year. He's gotta be the biggest wildcard in the draft.

Topic will fall enough for the Spurs to get him. They will target a PG in the draft and Topic fits the size and type of player(foreign) the Spurs like to target.

[timtonymanu]

If they draft a PG gotta imagine Tre is going to still be starting unless dude blows up right away.

Agreed. I don’t even want to lose Tre and think he deserves a spot on this team next year but he shouldn’t be the starting PG at the end of the next season when it’s all said and done.

[rascal]

Seriously? It’s a robust list:

Scoot
Fultz
Dinwiddie
Sexton
D-Lo
Rozier
Whoever the Piston PG is these days
Whoever the Wizards PG is these days

I’m positive I’m missing a few too.

You think Tre Jones with his game now would have been Portland's pick over Scoot if they were the same age and were in the draft last year?

[baseline bum]

Agreed. I don’t even want to lose Tre and think he deserves a spot on this team next year but he shouldn’t be the starting PG at the end of the next season when it’s all said and done.

Maybe Dillingham or Sheppard could earn the spot over Jones by the end of the season. Don't really think Topic, Collier, or Castle could if they go high risk, high reward.

[Raven]

massively overrated

[CorrectCrusader]

massively underrated

[CGD]

You think Tre Jones with his game now would have been Portland's pick over Scoot if they were the same age and were in the draft last year?

Whoever posed the original question asked: “name one(!) PG better than Jones right now.” Scoot can’t wipe his own ass right now, to the point they need to start another PG with him in order to save face for using #2 on him.

[spurraider21]

he's making over 41% of his 3's in 2024

[onechance87]

he's making over 41% of his 3's in 2024

still overpaid

[Pauleta14]

he's making over 41% of his 3's in 2024


Doesn't mean much to me, most players would get better at shooting open 3s with decent work ethic, even Sochan got better for a stretch, but as soon as the Spurs will be taken seriously and he'll be scouted he won't shoot the same %. He's too undersized and can't shoot it off the dribble or create a separation.
Tre only looks decent this season bc the rest is awful. No hate, I respect his hustle and grit but he's not an NBA PG to me

[JPB]

he's making over 41% of his 3's in 2024

Nothing against Tre, but he's not gonna shoot 41% on 3 for the rest of his career.