Summer League Game Thread - WESLEY’S REVENGE - Spurs/Thunder 7/16/23 @ 6:30PM CDT (2:30AM Riga Time) on NBA TV

[Uriel]

Yes, we do actually have a game tomorrow. It’ll be a battle between the two best young teams in the NBA, and likely fierce rivals for years to come.

It’ll also be Blake Wesley’s last chance in summer league to redeem himself.

[slick'81]

Wesley is soo fcked

[TDMVPDPOY]

guy is a scrub...not sure if he belongs on dleague team

[Obstructed_View]

Come on, Blake. I don't believe in you, but I'm rooting for you.

[GAustex]

Too bad Wemby and Chet won’t square oy

[TrainOfThought5]

He’s just got to do a better job of picking where/when he scores, and where/when to pass. He didn’t play a lot last year. I think he can be like DJM, and of course that’ll take more time. Maybe more time than we have to give on the Wemby Timeline

[Dex]

Come on, Blake. I don't believe in you, but I'm rooting for you.

At a certain point, we gotta call a spade a spade.

Not saying he can't improve and carve out a career...but he's going to be more of a Cory Joseph, not a Murray or White (and definitely not a Parker or Manu)

I would not be surprised if he sees plenty of time in Austin this next season.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

James White! may have been better than Blake.

[Mugen]

Like Lonnie, Blake's a good kid tbh. i'm rooting for him even if it doesn't end up being with the Spurs.

[Extra Stout]

I think we’ve got a pretty good sample size on what kind of player Wesley is. He’s an extremely fast undersized shooting guard with mediocre handles and the court vision of a mole. He has improved at finishing around the rim such that his getting blasted is less about inability than it is about making poor decisions. His decision-making will improve over time, but he’ll never see the floor like even Cissoko does.

[jeebus]

I don't remember if it was said on here or reddit, but someone said summer league is full of guys trying to get a job as CEO of a company, when all that company wants to do is hire a janitor. That's Blake Wesley in a nut shell.

[Kurik]

I’ve seen enough from Barlow and from Wesley, good and bad lol. I’m really just looking forward to seeing if Cissoko can show some things on offense today.

[SpursFan86]

Barlow and Wesley both sitting out…this might be tough to watch :lol

[slick'81]

Barlow and Wesley both sitting out…this might be tough to watch :lol

no point in risking injury

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1680721827465953280

[lefty20]

Let Sidy cook!

[Ariel]

no point in risking injury
Barlow I can understand, he's playing without a contract and he showed himself enough. Wesley on the other hand, what are they saving him for? He needs to play every second he can.

[heyheymymy]

jeez

zero scouting tonight

[heyheymymy]

Well guess it's Sidy City tonight

Let's do this

[emanueldavidginobili]

Surprised Thunder are playing Dieng and Wallace in the last SL game.

[TekXX]

Stevenson not being totally worthless, love to see it.

[RC_Drunkford]

:lol Wesley's revenge

[LeBowen]

Nothing to see here, tbh.

[slick'81]

:lol Wesley's revenge


we all saw this coming :lol

[Uriel]

:lol Wesley's revenge
:lol

:cry

[thiste]

Good effort by Rice

[Dejounte]

SJR is very easy to root for

[TekXX]

Did Sadik get set back to Europe?

[playblair]

rice is too good for g league........

[Mugen]

Damn is that TyTy Washington? Did he suck that bad last year?

[ace3g]

Anytime Sir'Jabari does anything positive.

https://y.yarn.co/652481ee-8cbb-47ec-af6e-7585d63be0ab_text.gif

[thiste]

Really sad we couldn't get Cason

[thiste]

dayum what a pass by Sidy!!

[slick'81]

J rice for 3

[td4mvp2k]

sidy is a gem

[Dejounte]

Badiako has 0 touch around the rim

[slick'81]

Bediako a man on the glass just needs to finish

[Kurik]

Really sad we couldn't get Cason

Looks just OK to me.

[Obstructed_View]

Badiako has 0 touch around the rim
If he had anything more than that he'd have been drafted.

[ace3g]

Sidy!!!!

[thiste]

Cissokoooooooooo !!!!!!!!!

[JPB]

Sidy is honeslty surprising me. I had his very raw offensive game and shooting correct, I had his good defense correct but his playmaking is a pleasant surprise. Guess the G League didn't allow him to showcase that part of his game.

And just when I say that, he has a monster dunk... he might make the big team.

[SPURt]

Cissoko looking like Diaw reincarnate

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1680738081660387328

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1680738081660387328
That’s a LeBron power move tbh

[thiste]

Loved that double charge

[Obstructed_View]

I have never seen a guy charge into two players before. :lol

[Mr. Body]

If Cissoko develops a semblance of a scoring game he's gonna be a steal.

[Mugen]

If Cissoko develops a semblance of a scoring game he's gonna be a steal.

This. He just needs to not be a huge liability on offense, not even good. He does that and he's in the league for 10 years tbh :lol

[slick'81]

Dont hurt em rice

[Mugen]

Rice has some shiftiness, I like him tbh. Never watched him before SL.

[Dejounte]

Old man JBR clearly the best player on the floor for both teams.

[thiste]

If Cissoko develops a semblance of a scoring game he's gonna be a steal.

If he could score he'd be a lottery player easily.

[Chomag]

Man, I'm really digging Rice. He is lightyears ahead of Wesley , and he has only played 2 games in the league.

I hope Spurs lock him up

[Obstructed_View]

Man, I'm really digging Rice. He is lightyears ahead of Wesley , and he has only played 2 games in the league.

I hope Spurs lock him up
Did they not already?

[Chomag]

Did they not already?
I think he is under contract, but I think I mean more that they don't cut or trade him right now.

[slick'81]

Not an over the back?!

[Obstructed_View]

Who is doing color on this game? His voice sounds familiar.

[Kurik]

I think he is under contract, but I think I mean more that they don't cut or trade him right now.

He’s on a two way and won’t be part of any roster crunch.

[slick'81]

Sidey!!!

[slick'81]

God damn sidey

[thiste]

what the hell sidy

great pass once again

[SpursWoman]

Who is doing color on this game? His voice sounds familiar.
Sam Mitchell I think

[Kurik]

Sidy making some awesome plays.

[Mugen]

Who is doing color on this game? His voice sounds familiar.

Sam Mitchell

[Mugen]

Sidy with a couple of sick passes this game, I want him with the big boy club this year tbh.

[Kurik]

Like if I had to choose between Cissoko or Wesley, seems pretty obvious to me.

[heyheymymy]

lol mcforbes with 18 nice

[Dejounte]

Did Sidy just block another shot for the second time?

[heyheymymy]

love that open court gallop Sidy Cissoko does lol

[Mugen]

Nice games from Sidy and Rice today. Training Camp should be fun, team is going to have to make some hard cuts tbh.

[Obstructed_View]

Sam Mitchell
Thank you. He looked old when he was young.

[Robz4000]

Stevenson is low-key one of the most selfish players I've ever seen tbh.

[thiste]

Nice to finish on a W.

[Kurik]

Stevenson is low-key one of the most selfish players I've ever seen tbh.

Yeahhh, I’m pretty sure he won’t be on the summer league squad next year.

[Kurik]

Cason Wallace barely played as the point guard and a -17.

[Mr. Body]

Stevenson is low-key one of the most selfish players I've ever seen tbh.

Shooters have pretty clearly been told to shoot when open.

[heyheymymy]

Sidy Cissoko with 10/8/6 with 2 blocks

[heyheymymy]

can't believe OKC played Wallace 20+ mins tonight in a consolation game

[Kurik]

Shooters have pretty clearly been told to shoot when open. Shot the ball with 20 seconds left in the game after a brilliant steal from Rice. Terrible shot.

[Mr. Body]

Shot the ball with 20 seconds left in the game after a brilliant steal from Rice. Terrible shot.

Oh, one play. Fucking behead the guy. Shoot his parents.

[Mr. Body]

You'd think a team with Cason Wallace, Ousmane Dieng, and TyTy Washington would dominate.

[Kurik]

Oh, one play. Fucking behead the guy. Shoot his parents.

Sure, it was just that one play.

[Mr. Body]

Sure, it was just that one play.

I mean, one, who gives a fuck. He's not an NBA player. But, two, Champagnie was firing whenever open, Branham was firing whenever he was open. Maybe, just maybe, instead of being blithering idiots who can't see what's going on, the coaching staff told these players to get those shots up.

[Kurik]

I mean, one, who gives a fuck. He's not an NBA player. But, two, Champagnie was firing whenever open, Branham was firing whenever he was open. Maybe, just maybe, instead of being blithering idiots who can't see what's going on, the coaching staff told these players to get those shots up.

You are giving a lot of fucks right now.

[Obstructed_View]

I mean, one, who gives a fuck. He's not an NBA player. But, two, Champagnie was firing whenever open, Branham was firing whenever he was open. Maybe, just maybe, instead of being blithering idiots who can't see what's going on, the coaching staff told these players to get those shots up.
God damn, your takes are awful.

[Mr. Body]

God damn, your takes are awful.

Bud, you really think watching JC, Branham, and then this dude shooting when open -- that it wasn't their instruction to shoot when open?

You think they were blowing up plays left and right and Nielson was powerless to stop them?

:lol

C'mon, guys. Don't be idiots.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTvmakQGlrs

[slick'81]

Spurs are going to player develop the fck outta sidey

[Jordan Jackson]

Spurs are going to player develop the fck outta sidey

As they should. He’s the only one that looked like the lights were ON upstairs - besides Wemby. Like he legitimately understands how to play basketball.

[spurraider21]

Oh, one play. Fucking behead the guy. Shoot his parents.
You’re reflexive defense of any criticism of spurs players would have been very entertaining if we had acquired Reaves

[Ariel]

You'd think a team with Cason Wallace, Ousmane Dieng, and TyTy Washington would dominate.
Why would you? the former is overrated and the latter are garbage.

[tonight...you]

Oh, one play. Fucking behead the guy. Shoot his parents.
Drama Queen drama queening.

[Joseph Kony]

God damn, your takes are awful.
:lmao some of the worst on ST

[TrainOfThought5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTvmakQGlrs

didn’t catch the game, was his defense THAT fucking good, or was the competition just that half ass?

[Darkwaters]

James White! may have been better than Blake.

James White!

[heyheymymy]

Can't believe how developed and polished SJRice looked out there.

sniffing out and intercepting long upcourt passes, the wisdom to turn your body to draw contact as you receive the ball, the natural court vision and offense orchestrating, pretty good looking three point shot.

Incredible stuff what a catch by Spurs scouts.

[GAustex]

Rice needs to go to Whataburger
A lot

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Can't believe how developed and polished SJRice looked out there.

sniffing out and intercepting long upcourt passes, the wisdom to turn your body to draw contact as you receive the ball, the natural court vision and offense orchestrating, pretty good looking three point shot.

Incredible stuff what a catch by Spurs scouts.

well he’s older than more than half the team.

[JPB]

I mean, one, who gives a fuck. He's not an NBA player. But, two, Champagnie was firing whenever open, Branham was firing whenever he was open. Maybe, just maybe, instead of being blithering idiots who can't see what's going on, the coaching staff told these players to get those shots up.

it's not because they got the green light that you have to play stupid basketball wth 20 seconds to play and the win still not secured. The first goal in BB is to win, not shoot. Sure it's just SL but still, show you're smart and you get it... Just make shooting drills otherwise, the guy was on an island.

That was a terrible shot, end of story. Anybody, including the commentators, thought the same... Dude, run the clock, why the hell you're shhooting the ball now. you're not impressing anybody with that shot.

[JPB]

Can't believe how developed and polished SJRice looked out there.

sniffing out and intercepting long upcourt passes, the wisdom to turn your body to draw contact as you receive the ball, the natural court vision and offense orchestrating, pretty good looking three point shot.

Incredible stuff what a catch by Spurs scouts.

Well yeah, he's 25 in 6 months. that's 5 years more of BB than lots of these kids out there. He's an adult among teens.That would be worrynig he wasn't a bit developed and polished. But there's probably not much room for improvement and you don't want to still be in SL at 24.

[heyheymymy]

good call still catching up on SJR. didn't realize he was already almost 25 that explains it.

[Biggems]

Wemby, Branham, Champ, Barlow, Sissoko, and Rice. These 6 players made a very nice showing at SL. Defensively, Wesley did as well, but offensively, he has much to improve on. At any rate I am really pleased with our young future. I am also pleased with the way the rest of the team came out to show support and root on our SL team. It is an exciting and hopeful time to be a Spurs fan. GO SPURS GO

[Dex]

Wemby, Branham, Champ, Barlow, Sissoko, and Rice. These 6 players made a very nice showing at SL. Defensively, Wesley did as well, but offensively, he has much to improve on. At any rate I am really pleased with our young future. I am also pleased with the way the rest of the team came out to show support and root on our SL team. It is an exciting and hopeful time to be a Spurs fan. GO SPURS GO

Crazy that you can add Sochan, Vassell, Bassey, and fuckin Wemby to this list. Future lookin' bright

[spurraider21]

Crazy that you can add Sochan, Vassell, Bassey, and fuckin Wemby to this list. Future lookin' bright
Keldon is also still 23 lol

[Dex]

Keldon is also still 23 lol

Good call. Dude feels like a veteran already but he is still a young gun and obviously considered a leader going forward.

[spurraider21]

Good call. Dude feels like a veteran already but he is still a young gun and obviously considered a leader going forward.
yeah, i still have questions about his long term fit given his defense and off-ball ability, but he's still pretty green. think in a perfect world, he and branham run the second unit against opposing backups. he'll still be starting this year, no doubt, but just thinking outlook beyond this season

[Chomag]

I do understand the agreement on seeing Keldon as the odd man out now that we have Wemby but...

I think Wemby is going to make Keldon allot better just by taking the attention and pressure off of him, and Keldon in return is going to keep the defense honest enough to help free up Wemby. I guess only time will tell how well they gel and compliment each other. At least give it a chance untill deadline and if there is something there that might make us better then of course it would be right to go for it.

I just see Keldon still has a great 2nd or 3rd option to have and I'm not ready to give up on that yet.

[spurraider21]

I do understand the agreement on seeing Keldon as the odd man out now that we have Wemby but...

I think Wemby is going to make Keldon allot better just by taking the attention and pressure off of him, and Keldon in return is going to keep the defense honest enough to help free up Wemby. I guess only time will tell how well they gel and compliment each other. At least give it a chance untill deadline and if there is something there that might make us better then of course it would be right to go for it.

I just see Keldon still has a great 2nd or 3rd option to have and I'm not ready to give up on that yet.
im in the camp that doesnt project keldon as a long term fit but the book isn't closed on him. we can see if his efficiency gets better playing alongside a wemby. he's still 23 and can add to his game. he's entering year 1 of a 4 year contract so has plenty of time to prove himself

[Rocalcio]

Why would you? the former is overrated and the latter are garbage.

Dieng is definitely not garbage.

[talkspurs]

thought i would post this here as dont think it is worth of another thread but it list the players rank during summer league.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/vegas-summer-league-ranking-players-064856199.html

[exstatic]

Dieng is definitely not garbage.

It's funny how other teams players who put up shit numbers just need some development time, but we need to cut Wesley immediately because he didn't show out in 37 games.

[Obstructed_View]

It's funny how other teams players who put up shit numbers just need some development time, but we need to cut Wesley immediately because he didn't show out in 37 games.

You sure love slaying those straw men.

[exstatic]

You sure love slaying those straw men.

People here LOVE Ousman Dieng. People here also want Wesley cut yesterday. Some of them are the same people. I don't think this is so much a case of creating a strawman as it is pointing out hypocrisy.

[Mr. Body]

It's funny how other teams players who put up shit numbers just need some development time, but we need to cut Wesley immediately because he didn't show out in 37 games.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

[sfernald]

It's funny how other teams players who put up shit numbers just need some development time, but we need to cut Wesley immediately because he didn't show out in 37 games.

Dieng != Wesley:

Ousmane Dieng's Summer League progress 2022->2023
Ousmane has made significant leaps compared to last year.

2022 Summer League Stats (3 games played)
7.3ppg/3.7rpg/0.7apg/0.3spg on 40.9/18.2/50 splits

2023 Summer League (7 games played)
14.1ppg/6.1rpg/4apg/1spg on 50/35.1/76.9 splits

[Dejounte]

Is summer league definitive for determining a player’s growth? I thought people mostly looked at regular season numbers year to year. Summer league says some things, sure. But i dont know about closing the book on players who have underwhelming summer performances.

[Mr. Body]

Is summer league definitive for determining a player’s growth? I thought people mostly looked at regular season numbers year to year. Summer league says some things, sure. But i dont know about closing the book on players who have underwhelming summer performances.

No, the environment is much different than in the NBA, where role, playing time, and situation is much different. I think you can see some trends in how a player is developing that can be exciting to see. They don't necessarily mean a leap has been made or will happen.

[exstatic]

Dieng != Wesley:

Ousmane Dieng's Summer League progress 2022->2023
Ousmane has made significant leaps compared to last year.

2022 Summer League Stats (3 games played)
7.3ppg/3.7rpg/0.7apg/0.3spg on 40.9/18.2/50 splits

2023 Summer League (7 games played)
14.1ppg/6.1rpg/4apg/1spg on 50/35.1/76.9 splits

Most of that came on one good game, a 22 point outing. He played against our deep SL bench + Sidy, and didn't do shit.

[Obstructed_View]

Is summer league definitive for determining a player’s growth? I thought people mostly looked at regular season numbers year to year. Summer league says some things, sure. But i dont know about closing the book on players who have underwhelming summer performances.

When a young player has a list of things to work on during the offseason, particularly when he is being worked into a new position that he has never played, there are certain metrics you watch for in summer league, which gives you an idea of his progress.

When a player comes into summer league showing close to zero improvement in every area, when many people were expecting him to potentially be a backup at his new position, it's cause for concern, even if it's not definitive.

[Dejounte]

We’re not arguing if it’s a cause for concern or not. In fact, it is. This is all continuing off the thread that ex brought up about hypocrisy around making decisions based off definitive assessment of summer league play. This is that.

[Rocalcio]

It's funny how other teams players who put up shit numbers just need some development time, but we need to cut Wesley immediately because he didn't show out in 37 games.

I never said Wesley had to be cut.

[exstatic]

I never said Wesley had to be cut.

Did I name you?

[Obstructed_View]

We’re not arguing if it’s a cause for concern or not. In fact, it is. This is all continuing off the thread that ex brought up about hypocrisy around making decisions based off definitive assessment of summer league play. This is that.
Pop has signed players based on nothing but summer league.

[Rocalcio]

Did I name you?

Well, you quoted me.

[exstatic]

Well, you quoted me.

My quote response was only partially to you for propping Dieng, but no, you never bashed Blake. Some did, though, and some of them likely supported Dieng.