RUMOR: Spurs named possible suitor for Knicks’ Evan Fournier, but there’s a catch [Archive]

exstatic

07-28-2023, 12:05 PM

He’s washed up or the coaches have mismanaged him. Take your pick or both.

We can't give him the minutes to polish his image before the deadline without cutting into development time, so hard pass.

The only position we have need in is PG, and I'm open to either Lowry or Conley, but I doubt Minny is interested in trading virtually their only PG. Barring one of them, scrap the consolidation trade, and keep either Bullock or Payne, and cut the rest.

Mr. Body

07-28-2023, 12:23 PM

bluebellmaniac

07-28-2023, 12:40 PM

Is it a coincidence that he has the same agent as Wemby?

I think not...

exstatic

07-28-2023, 01:08 PM

Rumor: the Spurs may trade for Evan Fournier

Source: SpursTalk

Really, I don't care so much about the player in a consolidation trade. The point is to, well, consolidate salaries, but Fournier may gripe if he doesn't get played.

You want to consolidate and have something to flip at the deadline. Fournier would need rotation PT to rehabilitate his image, something I’m not willing to do. His value is really low.

Otherwise, why not just cut three of the 4 excess contracts and flip whoever you keep at the deadline, either Bullock or Payne.

Mr. Body

07-28-2023, 01:23 PM

You want to consolidate and have something to flip at the deadline. Fournier would need rotation PT to rehabilitate his image, something I’m not willing to do. His value is really low.

Otherwise, why not just cut three of the 4 excess contracts and flip whoever you keep at the deadline, either Bullock or Payne.

I guess I don't see any consolidation trade as a player teams will try to get for the player themselves, otherwise they'd already go for him. No one's going to drop $30 million in contracts to get Kyle Lowry for a stretch run, so it's not that different from Fournier, he's just a cheaper expiring.

So, yeah, maybe I need to rethink the expiring thing and just keep some of the smaller bits to get to teams that have lost players or find holes.

spurraider21

07-28-2023, 01:26 PM

I guess I don't see any consolidation trade as a player teams will try to get for the player themselves, otherwise they'd already go for him. No one's going to drop $30 million in contracts to get Kyle Lowry for a stretch run, so it's not that different from Fournier, he's just a cheaper expiring.

So, yeah, maybe I need to rethink the expiring thing and just keep some of the smaller bits to get to teams that have lost players or find holes.
difference is lowry also fills a need. good vet leader, steady PG play with an outside shot and a willing defender, even if his play has fallen with age

exstatic

07-28-2023, 01:34 PM

I guess I don't see any consolidation trade as a player teams will try to get for the player themselves, otherwise they'd already go for him. No one's going to drop $30 million in contracts to get Kyle Lowry for a stretch run, so it's not that different from Fournier, he's just a cheaper expiring.

So, yeah, maybe I need to rethink the expiring thing and just keep some of the smaller bits to get to teams that have lost players or find holes.

They could do something like NO did last year, flip us a contract with more than this year remaining, plus some assets.

Joseph Kony

07-28-2023, 02:44 PM

difference is lowry also fills a need. good vet leader, steady PG play with an outside shot and a willing defender, even if his play has fallen with age
there's no indication that Lowry wants to spend his last few years playing babysitter to a lottery team though. i'm sure he would not want to be here tbh

spurraider21

07-28-2023, 02:53 PM

there's no indication that Lowry wants to spend his last few years playing babysitter to a lottery team though. i'm sure he would not want to be here tbh
miami might not have much use for a 37 year old point guard earning 30 mil when they need to fill out the roster. might not be up to him. unless he agrees to a dirt cheap buyout. i dont see him turning down 30 mil and retiring

of course, this all contemplates a lillard trade going through. right now lowry is the only PG they have with vincent leaving

exstatic

07-28-2023, 02:57 PM

there's no indication that Lowry wants to spend his last few years playing babysitter to a lottery team though. i'm sure he would not want to be here tbh

He'll be flipped to a contender at the deadline, or bought out. He won't even be here a year.

What PG wouldn't want to throw lobs to Wemby for four months while collecting a hefty paycheck?

Joseph Kony

07-28-2023, 03:12 PM

if anyone contender really wanted Lowry, they would have already traded for him though. zero chance the Spurs take on Lowry in any capacity, imho

Fireball

07-28-2023, 03:24 PM

the catch is he sucks ...

exstatic

07-28-2023, 03:26 PM

if anyone contender really wanted Lowry, they would have already traded for him though. zero chance the Spurs take on Lowry in any capacity, imho

No one trades for stretch run/playoff pieces until February, when contenders separate from the pack. They can also send a non ending contract to us along with asset(s), something Miami probably wouldn't do.

Joseph Kony

07-28-2023, 03:28 PM

They don't want to trade him until they get Lillard. He's currently their starting PG.
they were shopping him all of last season :lol

exstatic

07-28-2023, 03:30 PM

they were shopping him all of last season :lol

They're moving Herro who was their de facto starting PG.

spurraider21

07-28-2023, 03:54 PM

they were shopping him all of last season :lol
that was because Gabe Vincent was emerging (and played more than him in the playoffs), while Herro also handled some point guard duty. now vincent is gone, and if they send Herro for Lillard, i doubt they want a 30 mil backup PG over some playable depth pieces that we can offer

Maddog

07-28-2023, 04:01 PM

A week or so back there was a story where Fournier mentioned wanting to play with Wembanya
That's probably where this coming from.
I suspect the Spurs have zero interest

KingKev

08-10-2023, 04:38 AM

Where have you been ???

Big homie now that we have Wemby I have nothing to bitch and moan about on ST!!! JK, but life has just gotten a little hectic lately. Looking fwd to the season though bro.

Atl Spur

08-10-2023, 01:55 PM

Big homie now that we have Wemby I have nothing to bitch and moan about on ST!!! JK, but life has just gotten a little hectic lately. Looking fwd to the season though bro.

Lol! Just checking on you:)

Rocalcio

08-14-2023, 10:39 AM

Fournier already showed in preparation games for the World Cup with France that he isn't washed up at all. He has just been put in the closet by Thib'. Considering his love for the game you can be sure he will give all he has in his future NBA team. And he's still a very good player. I agree he doesn't play at a position we need, but bringing a French veteran next to Wembanyama could be a very good idea.

Mr. Body

08-14-2023, 10:42 AM

R. DeMurre

08-14-2023, 12:12 PM

Spurs have no need for Fournier except as a trade piece to get someone like Quickley. Some variation of Fournier/Quickley for Keldon works moneywise.

BacktoBasics

08-14-2023, 02:04 PM

Spurs have no need for Fournier except as a trade piece to get someone like Quickley. Some variation of Fournier/Quickley for Keldon works moneywise.

I would never do this trade. I like Quickley but he’s nowhere near the production of Keldon and creates another redundancy at the 2. Vassell is better than him too. There is no need to do this. We really need to stop the trade Keldon nonsense unless it’s a clear move upwards.

R. DeMurre

08-15-2023, 01:20 AM

I would never do this trade. I like Quickley but he’s nowhere near the production of Keldon and creates another redundancy at the 2. Vassell is better than him too. There is no need to do this. We really need to stop the trade Keldon nonsense unless it’s a clear move upwards.

Quickley would play PG with the Spurs, not SG. Keldon's impact numbers aren't even close to Quickley's. The only reason his raw numbers were inflated is because he played the part of an inefficient #1 option on a 22-60 team.

BacktoBasics

08-15-2023, 08:02 AM

Quickley would play PG with the Spurs, not SG. Keldon's impact numbers aren't even close to Quickley's. The only reason his raw numbers were inflated is because he played the part of an inefficient #1 option on a 22-60 team.

This cuts both ways. I take Keldons advanced stats with a grain of salt. SA was doing everything it could to lead a tank while the other team was pushing for playoff seeding. This is absolutely going to impact efficiency.

It’s also extremely shortsighted to trade away the greater bulk of the teams production and unnecessarily shift more of an offensive load on Wemby his rookie year. All for a guy who isn’t even a real pg and most likely not the answer for that position on our team.

Mr. Body

08-15-2023, 11:15 AM

I don't think there's any indication the Knicks want to part with Quickley?

R. DeMurre

08-15-2023, 12:42 PM

This cuts both ways. I take Keldons advanced stats with a grain of salt. SA was doing everything it could to lead a tank while the other team was pushing for playoff seeding. This is absolutely going to impact efficiency.

It’s also extremely shortsighted to trade away the greater bulk of the teams production and unnecessarily shift more of an offensive load on Wemby his rookie year. All for a guy who isn’t even a real pg and most likely not the answer for that position on our team.

I understand that approach but just don't agree. I don't want a 6'5" SF who isn't a defensive ace next to Wemby, and I think the further the Spurs go, the more obvious it'll be that KJ is a role player and not a star, so his trade value will take a nose dive. Right now some GM out there might still view him as a 20 ppg energy guy, and give good value in a trade. If you wait too long, he becomes an expensive 6th or 7th man who's a defensive liability and that's hard to move.

BacktoBasics

08-15-2023, 05:40 PM

I understand that approach but just don't agree. I don't want a 6'5" SF who isn't a defensive ace next to Wemby, and I think the further the Spurs go, the more obvious it'll be that KJ is a role player and not a star, so his trade value will take a nose dive. Right now some GM out there might still view him as a 20 ppg energy guy, and give good value in a trade. If you wait too long, he becomes an expensive 6th or 7th man who's a defensive liability and that's hard to move.

Well Quickley is no star either. He really doesn’t address any giant holes either. He’s a nice player but doesn’t honestly solve any real problems.

KJ’s defensive “problems” are wildly exaggerated on ST. If that holds true and this team goes .500 I’ll concede the argument. But his defensive issues are largely a byproduct of a system that evolved around deliberately losing.

So for me the further the team goes the less obvious the problem is.

I’m certainly not sold that Quickley is going to be any better on this squad than his current one.

BacktoBasics

08-15-2023, 05:44 PM

I’ll also add that even if you look at Keldon in the vacuum of 2 years, primarily an offensive player… he still holds more value around Wemby getting his NBA footing than Quickley ever would. Keldon and his team chemistry makes Wembys rookie year way more manageable.

The absolute last thing we need is Wemby overburdened on the offensive end. That is clearly where Wemby needs to develop the most. We’re smart to reduce that stress as much as possible.

R. DeMurre

08-15-2023, 11:18 PM

Well Quickley is no star either. He really doesn’t address any giant holes either. He’s a nice player but doesn’t honestly solve any real problems.

KJ’s defensive “problems” are wildly exaggerated on ST. If that holds true and this team goes .500 I’ll concede the argument. But his defensive issues are largely a byproduct of a system that evolved around deliberately losing.

So for me the further the team goes the less obvious the problem is.

I’m certainly not sold that Quickley is going to be any better on this squad than his current one.

I'd say Quickley solves a major problem by bumping Tre Jones down to a back up position. 30+ minutes of a more impactful PG is a big deal in my eyes, and it moves Tre down to compete against back ups instead of starters.

We'll just have to wait and see on KJ's D I suppose, but I have my doubts. He had the worst defensive numbers of all starters on a team that was historically bad on defense and went 22-60. The defense improved when he was off the floor. That's a pretty big red flag to me, in addition to him never having shown much on the defensive side and to being positionally undersized.

BacktoBasics

08-16-2023, 08:03 AM

I'd say Quickley solves a major problem by bumping Tre Jones down to a back up position. 30+ minutes of a more impactful PG is a big deal in my eyes, and it moves Tre down to compete against back ups instead of starters.

We'll just have to wait and see on KJ's D I suppose, but I have my doubts. He had the worst defensive numbers of all starters on a team that was historically bad on defense and went 22-60. The defense improved when he was off the floor. That's a pretty big red flag to me, in addition to him never having shown much on the defensive side and to being positionally undersized.

That’s another thing ST loves to do. Downplay Tre. I 100% agree that he’s a backup and not a long term starter. If I’m another team looking at Tre from the outside I’m seeing one of the best backup pgs in the league and a guy who could start if your starting pg got hurt.

Quickley is no more the long term answer at pg than Tre is. My guess would be that the Spurs are going to look at two things when they decide it’s time to address the long term pg spot. A better Tre, some traditional pg archetype as Tre but a better shooter and slightly more athletic. Or… an Anthony Black type player who’s bigger and can take over a game without scoring. Black was great at controlling the pace of the game. His game flow and ability to chain ball movement together was impressive.

I don’t think they’ll look at someone like Quickley as a long term solution.

R. DeMurre

08-16-2023, 02:27 PM

That’s another thing ST loves to do. Downplay Tre. I 100% agree that he’s a backup and not a long term starter. If I’m another team looking at Tre from the outside I’m seeing one of the best backup pgs in the league and a guy who could start if your starting pg got hurt.

Quickley is no more the long term answer at pg than Tre is. My guess would be that the Spurs are going to look at two things when they decide it’s time to address the long term pg spot. A better Tre, some traditional pg archetype as Tre but a better shooter and slightly more athletic. Or… an Anthony Black type player who’s bigger and can take over a game without scoring. Black was great at controlling the pace of the game. His game flow and ability to chain ball movement together was impressive.

I don’t think they’ll look at someone like Quickley as a long term solution.

How is me saying I want Tre as a bench guy "downgrading" him, but you saying you "100% agree" he shouldn't start not downgrading him? That doesn't make sense to me. We have pretty much the exact same opinion of him but somehow you view your position as correct and my position as the wrong-minded "typical ST" view... Anyway, I get it-- you don't think Quickley is the answer, while I do. No point in going back and forth on it.

BacktoBasics

08-16-2023, 04:01 PM

How is me saying I want Tre as a bench guy "downgrading" him, but you saying you "100% agree" he shouldn't start not downgrading him? That doesn't make sense to me. We have pretty much the exact same opinion of him but somehow you view your position as correct and my position as the wrong-minded "typical ST" view... Anyway, I get it-- you don't think Quickley is the answer, while I do. No point in going back and forth on it.

The difference is I have no sense of urgency to solve the pg spot and feel that this team is at best .500. Whether Tre is the starting pg or not. I’m not in a hurry to come off of him.

I think he’s the perfect player to hold down the position until we’ve fully assessed the roster etc.

This season should be about acclimating Wemby to the league in the most unburdensome way possible and assess how our current squad meshes around our potential franchise player.

Keldon and Tre both are exactly the kind of players who will help accomplish that.

We’re smart to see how things emerge or who emerges as the best fit around Wemby.

Then we can decide whether packaging up a Keldon is a good move.

colargol

08-21-2023, 03:41 AM

So sadly true....

colargol

08-21-2023, 03:44 AM

One problem Fournier has is that he needs the ball to be effective. His usefulness drops severely when he's off-ball.

So sadly true....

Rocalcio

08-21-2023, 03:24 PM

He dropped 29 pts in his last preparation game for the World Cup.

Fireball

08-25-2023, 11:52 AM

well, the Fournier led French team just annihilated by Canada in the first game of the WC ...

sfernald

08-26-2023, 10:22 AM

One problem Fournier has is that he needs the ball to be effective. His usefulness drops severely when he's off-ball.

Make him the scoring point guard then, problem solved. It's like the worst position we have at this point.

Mr. Body

08-26-2023, 10:54 PM

Make him the scoring point guard then, problem solved. It's like the worst position we have at this point.

What a awful idea.

Rocalcio

08-27-2023, 01:35 PM

well, the Fournier led French team just annihilated by Canada in the first game of the WC ...

And we've just been eliminated by the Bertans brothers, very unexpected and awful situation for the French Team. But at least Fournier showed he's still ballin.

TD 21

08-27-2023, 02:32 PM

And we've just been eliminated by the Bertans brothers, very unexpected and awful situation for the French Team. But at least Fournier showed he's still ballin.

Thirty hit Gobert like a hammer.

I know Ntilikina got injured in a pre tournament exhibition game and Wembanyama, Dieng, Hayes and Maledon (unsigned) are developmental players, but where were Luwawu-Cabarrot, Toupane, Lauvergne, Poirier and Cornelie? Maybe some aren't good enough anymore, but hard to believe all.

Rocalcio

08-27-2023, 03:14 PM

Thirty hit Gobert like a hammer.

I know Ntilikina got injured in a pre tournament exhibition game and Wembanyama, Dieng, Hayes and Maledon (unsigned) are developmental players, but where were Luwawu-Cabarrot, Toupane, Lauvergne, Poirier and Cornelie? Maybe some aren't good enough anymore, but hard to believe all.

Honestly, the roster was quite well balanced. Ntilikina’s injury was a very bad news cause behind De Colo we miss a real point guard. I would have liked Hayes to be the guy coming from the bench, he’s a really good playmaker. All the names you mentioned are done for the French Team in my opinion. A very talented new generation is coming, but it would have been nice to have a smoother transition from the Batum’s generation with the newcomers. We’re hosting the Olympics next year and that’s a huge opportunity to make a statement by going for the gold. The guys were just not focused enough for this competition, they all admitted that in both games (Canada and Latvia) they weren’t the team who wanted the win the most.
We just have to hope that it won’t be the start of a crisis, we don’t have time for that considering that next summer will be here sooner than we think. But some truths need to be said, we have a political issue with Heurtel who isn’t allowed to play for France since he accepted to play for a Russian team. And I understood that many players pointed that as a big problem.

TD 21

08-27-2023, 03:37 PM

Honestly, the roster was quite well balanced. Ntilikina’s injury was a very bad news cause behind De Colo we miss a real point guard. I would have liked Hayes to be the guy coming from the bench, he’s a really good playmaker. All the names you mentioned are done for the French Team in my opinion. A very talented new generation is coming, but it would have been nice to have a smoother transition from the Batum’s generation with the newcomers. We’re hosting the Olympics next year and that’s a huge opportunity to make a statement by going for the gold. The guys were just not focused enough for this competition, they all admitted that in both games (Canada and Latvia) they weren’t the team who wanted the win the most.
We just have to hope that it won’t be the start of a crisis, we don’t have time for that considering that next summer will be here sooner than we think. But some truths need to be said, we have a political issue with Heurtel who isn’t allowed to play for France since he accepted to play for a Russian team. And I understood that many players pointed that as a big problem.

Unfortunately for France, the current late 80s-early 90s generation and the early-mid 00s generation that's coming won't have anything close to a collective prime like Argentina's or Spain's "golden generation" were fortunate to have.

A lot of the recent best prospects have also went bust or at least underwhelmed. Still, on depth of talent alone, they should challenge Canada and Australia going forward for second best in the world.

Rocalcio

08-27-2023, 03:43 PM

Unfortunately for France, the current late 80s-early 90s generation and the early-mid 00s generation that's coming won't have anything close to a collective prime like Argentina's or Spain's "golden generation" were fortunate to have.

A lot of the recent best prospects have also went bust or at least underwhelmed. Still, on depth of talent alone, they should challenge Canada and Australia going forward for second best in the world.

I’m not worrying about the future, it will be great with all the new kids coming. The main concern is that everyone is focusing on the Olympics and what happened today is definitely not the best way to prepare for it.

exstatic

08-27-2023, 04:42 PM

I’d rather just cut the requisite number of players than take on Fournier. We have younger players that can score, and unlike Evan, they can do it off ball. He would either sit, just like he would in NY, or he’d block someone’s development.

sfernald

08-29-2023, 10:25 PM

What a awful idea.

Better to have non-shooter Tre throwing bricks all season again? We have to surround Wemby with shooters. That's absolutely the one requirement in building a roster around him I'd say.

exstatic

08-30-2023, 06:32 AM

Better to have non-shooter Tre throwing bricks all season again? We have to surround Wemby with shooters. That's absolutely the one requirement in building a roster around him I'd say.

The Spurs aren’t worried about this year. It’s a mad scientist laboratory kind of thing. There is no place in it for a ball dominant 30 YO Frenchman.

sfernald

08-30-2023, 10:30 PM

The Spurs aren’t worried about this year. It’s a mad scientist laboratory kind of thing. There is no place in it for a ball dominant 30 YO Frenchman.

I agree it’s a year of experimentation. But it’s not a terrible idea to have a vet Frenchman who is one of the best three point shooters in the league joining Wemby. If it doesn’t work out, it’s an expiring. If it does, maybe he stays a few years and joins our French legion!