Siakam Trade Rumors Including to Spurs

[Knoxxx]

Seems like a great one-year rental if nothing else, package up some of our excess contracts, may have to include Keldon:

NBA Rumors: 5 best trade destinations for Pascal Siakam (fansided.com) (https://fansided.com/2023/07/11/nba-rumors-pascal-siakam-trade-destinations/3/)

More speculation involving Siakam but this time we get Capela as the booby prize:

Toronto Raptors Trade Pascal Siakam to Atlanta Hawks, Clint Capela to San Antonio Spurs in 3-Way Mock Deal - Sports Illustrated Inside The Spurs, Analysis and More (https://www.si.com/nba/spurs/news/toronto-raptors-trade-rumors-pascal-siakam-atlanta-hawks-clint-capela-san-antonio-spurs#:~:text=In%20the%20deal%2C%20the%20Atlanta,R eggie%20Bullock%20and%20Pascal%20Siakam.)

[Seventyniner]

The Spurs are going to eat Capela's 2024-2025 salary and give up a first? I don't buy it.

I generally consider SI to be a credible source but they're just taking an article from Bleacher Report - whom I consider to be, ahem, less credible - and running with it.

[Knoxxx]

I thought these were both totally made up scenarios, but Siakam is going to be an unrestricted free agent and the Spurs are a team that could easily eat his $37 million contract in 2023-4.

Thus, it seems logical we need to be tracking where Siakam lands and whether it could be in S.A., at least in the short-term.

If some team wants to throw $60 mills per at him, that's a hard pass for sure!

As far as Capela, 12 RPG with more rim protection seems like just what the Spurs could use. The question is whether the Hawks would let us bend them over again, I suppose.

[BacktoBasics]

I see no reason to trade Keldon for nothing. Why do you people advocate for stupid things like this.

[CGD]

I don’t dislike the trade where spurs land Capella (second one). Send them CHA pick and a bunch of SRPs instead).

[baseline bum]

The Spurs are going to eat Capela's 2024-2025 salary and give up a first? I don't buy it.

I generally consider SI to be a credible source but they're just taking an article from Bleacher Report - whom I consider to be, ahem, less credible - and running with it.

Capella's $20 million salary is bad when Graham is making $12.5 million? Doesn't seem like a bad deal if the Spurs can whittle it down to Graham, Bullock, and the Charlotte pick that'll probably end up being two seconds anyways.

[BacktoBasics]

I don’t dislike the trade where spurs land Capella (second one). Send them CHA pick and a bunch of SRPs instead).

For the record this is a fine way to utilize assets but not if you’re giving up a primary scorer and significant player who will play a large role in making Wembys rookie season as smooth as possible. Op suggesting that they include keldon goes against the very principle of how our FO has said thry wanted to approach the offseason.

[CGD]

For the record this is a fine way to utilize assets but not if you’re giving up a primary scorer and significant player who will play a large role in making Wembys rookie season as smooth as possible. Op suggesting that they include keldon goes against the very principle of how our FO has said thry wanted to approach the offseason.

Yeah, it looks like there were two trades. One where we land Pascal and the other Clint. I like the latter, not so much a fan of former

[Knoxxx]

For the record this is a fine way to utilize assets but not if you’re giving up a primary scorer and significant player who will play a large role in making Wembys rookie season as smooth as possible. Op suggesting that they include keldon goes against the very principle of how our FO has said thry wanted to approach the offseason.

Get off your high horse, I said MAY HAVE to include Keldon. Salary matching or whatever. I also know probably more than half the board wants Keldon gone because they think he plays no defense. I didn't watch that end of the floor closely enough to opine on his defense. I think he's undersized for what he tries to do, and the one play in game I saw he looked like one of those players that is overmatched in the playoffs. Drives into traffic with bad results and plays smaller. But I am a fan of Keldon and hope to see him on the team next season.

[spurraider21]

give up a first and take on capela's 2 year deal? nah im good

[baseline bum]

give up a first and take on capela's 2 year deal? nah im good

Even the Charlotte "first" that'll probably end up two seconds?

[Knoxxx]

Given the long off season, I liked the two pronged discussion about two players that may help the Spurs now and don’t really equate to expensive mistakes to me. $20 million per season is not big money re. Capela.

What about the Spurs finding a way to acquire Siakam AND Capela? Seems like we have some teams ripe for the picking in ATL and TOR.

[Seventyniner]

Capella's $20 million salary is bad when Graham is making $12.5 million? Doesn't seem like a bad deal if the Spurs can whittle it down to Graham, Bullock, and the Charlotte pick that'll probably end up being two seconds anyways.

The problem is in 2024-2025 when Capela is due a guaranteed $22.3M while Graham is only guaranteed for $2.8M. If Capela was on an expiring contract, and if the "first" the Spurs give up is the CHA pick, I would be more on board. The Spurs seem to be avoiding taking on any additional 2024-2025 salary given the deals they made this summer.

[CGD]

The problem is in 2024-2025 when Capela is due a guaranteed $22.3M while Graham is only guaranteed for $2.8M. If Capela was on an expiring contract, and if the "first" the Spurs give up is the CHA pick, I would be more on board. The Spurs seem to be avoiding taking on any additional 2024-2025 salary given the deals they made this summer.

I see it differently. Because the Spurs seem determined to have Wemby start along side a center early in his career, it's smart to think about who could fit that bill while also having a short time horizon. Capella seems to fit the bill in my view, and given what Jakob, Vuc and Lopez just got, at a good salary. On top of it all, he seems very tradable next year if the Spurs want to accelerate the Wemby to center timeline some, more so that Graham anyway.

I'm also not sure what plans the Spurs have for big caspace next year with a mediocre FA crop once again (assuming all the guys that are extension eligible like AD get their deals done now).

[Knoxxx]

First off this is early Christmas shopping. While we appreciate the numbers guys, your primary job is to make the deal work when you like the player(s).

That said, as CGD notes, then Capela becomes a nice fat expiring in year 2. I thought we liked having those.

Further, that was exactly my thought what kind of expensive FA mistake are you trying to set us up for in 2024-25?

At some point we are not going to be able to just fill out our roster with starters making $7 million and rotation players making as little as $3 million a year, that is not realistic. Being scared to death of a $20 million annual contract is like wishing for the return of 10 cent burgers or 50 cent a gallon gas.

I do like our youth movement and developing those players, but a blended strategy with some reasonably priced vets is what I expect a championship will require.

[BacktoBasics]

Get off your high horse, I said MAY HAVE to include Keldon. Salary matching or whatever. I also know probably more than half the board wants Keldon gone because they think he plays no defense. I didn't watch that end of the floor closely enough to opine on his defense. I think he's undersized for what he tries to do, and the one play in game I saw he looked like one of those players that is overmatched in the playoffs. Drives into traffic with bad results and plays smaller. But I am a fan of Keldon and hope to see him on the team next season.
It’s not a high horse. I made a valid argument.

[Knoxxx]

It’s not a high horse. I made a valid argument.

I'm not picking on Keldon, he's just the player that has enough salary and marketability for us to get something potential quality in return. For example:

Keldon, Graham, Collins for Siakam and Capela

Keep in mind I am very greedy but Siakam and Capela is a lot better way to spend $60 million to me then say only getting a Lillard or Jaylen Brown. Especially when S/C are on very short deals. I am just barely smart enough to realize that the mere mention of acquiring a large contract of any length would get me crucified.

You seem overly sensitive about the mere mention of trading Keldon. You lumped me in with "you people" who are "stupid." You could propose an alternative as a more positive contribution, IMHO. What I suggested was not unreasonable, except for other teams probably not being "stupid" enough to help us now that we have Wemby.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm not picking on Keldon, he's just the player that has enough salary and marketability for us to get something potential quality in return. For example:

Keldon, Graham, Collins for Siakam and Capela

Keep in mind I am very greedy but Siakam and Capela is a lot better way to spend $60 million to me then say only getting a Lillard or Jaylen Brown. Especially when S/C are on very short deals. I am just barely smart enough to realize that the mere mention of acquiring a large contract of any length would get me crucified.

You seem overly sensitive about the mere mention of trading Keldon. You lumped me in with "you people" who are "stupid." You could propose an alternative as a more positive contribution, IMHO. What I suggested was not unreasonable, except for other teams probably not being "stupid" enough to help us now that we have Wemby.
The original concept didn’t have us returning Siakam. With a contract promise from Siakam I’d probably be okay moving Keldon but not for late or 2nd round picks and salary rental.

[baseline bum]

The problem is in 2024-2025 when Capela is due a guaranteed $22.3M while Graham is only guaranteed for $2.8M. If Capela was on an expiring contract, and if the "first" the Spurs give up is the CHA pick, I would be more on board. The Spurs seem to be avoiding taking on any additional 2024-2025 salary given the deals they made this summer.

Even with Capela's deal the Spurs would probably be looking at around $60 million in cap space in 2024-25 while still keeping Keldon, Devin, Jeremy, Malaki, Blake, Tre, Julian, etc. It could also really be a valuable salary to use in a hypothetical trade for a star in case they want to keep some capspace to go after an MLE level player after making that kind of win now trade. I don't see a lot of downside in trading for Capela myself if its centered around the Charlotte pick(s) and if the Spurs feel they need someone to play the center position for a couple of years until Wemby can add some strenght.

[R. DeMurre]

I don't see it. Siakam and Capela are both 29, so getting them/attempting to get them would mean the FO thinks they can/should challenge for a title in the next five years, which historically is an unlikely scenario. Lebron, Giannis, Luka, etc weren't able to accomplish that, so even if Wembanyama exceeds expectations, it's unlikely he's leading a team to a championship before 2028 unless the Spurs can somehow land a more veteran star to be the #1 option while Victor plays the role of a young & improving #2, and Siakam isn't that in my opinion. I think a lot of people view the Spurs as somehow temperamentally pre-inclined to be "patient," but in this case they're just playing their hand correctly. The hype for Victor is justified, but I'd bet the experienced basketball minds of the FO still understand that it doesn't mean San Antonio will be raising their 6th banner in the near future.

[exstatic]

I'm not picking on Keldon, he's just the player that has enough salary and marketability for us to get something potential quality in return. For example:

Keldon, Graham, Collins for Siakam and Capela

Keep in mind I am very greedy but Siakam and Capela is a lot better way to spend $60 million to me then say only getting a Lillard or Jaylen Brown. Especially when S/C are on very short deals. I am just barely smart enough to realize that the mere mention of acquiring a large contract of any length would get me crucified.

You seem overly sensitive about the mere mention of trading Keldon. You lumped me in with "you people" who are "stupid." You could propose an alternative as a more positive contribution, IMHO. What I suggested was not unreasonable, except for other teams probably not being "stupid" enough to help us now that we have Wemby.

We don’t lack salary to send out. We have $31M in ending contracts that have no place on this roster. There is absolutely NO reason to send out Keldon and a FRP for an obsolete rim running shot blocker. Capela is a dinosaur. Any quality team with shooters can play him off the floor in the playoffs like GS did. He was salary dumped to Atlanta by Houston when they recognized what happened. He’s a 29 YO obsolete archetype that you want to give up not just one positive asset for, but two. People are not beating down Atlanta’s door to get him, because he pretty much has negative trade value.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

A deal involving the Spurs giving up Keldon and a first should have Siakam coming here. Toronto owes us for that championship anyway. Time to collect.

[Knoxxx]

We don’t lack salary to send out. We have $31M in ending contracts that have no place on this roster. There is absolutely NO reason to send out Keldon and a FRP for an obsolete rim running shot blocker. Capela is a dinosaur. Any quality team with shooters can play him off the floor in the playoffs like GS did. He was salary dumped to Atlanta by Houston when they recognized what happened. He’s a 29 YO obsolete archetype that you want to give up not just one positive asset for, but two. People are not beating down Atlanta’s door to get him, because he pretty much has negative trade value.

Actually I heard Capela has been working on his 3 point shot. Kidding aside, I do like Collins. As far as trading draft picks, I don’t recall suggesting the Spurs give any draft picks for Siakam or Capela. I was more in line with packaging excess contracts i.e. the consolidation trade we hope is coming.

[DAF86]

Even the Charlotte "first" that'll probably end up two seconds?

Any pick. Did you read the proposed trade? I don't get what the Spurs would be actually getting, Capella? I thought the idea was to take on Capella's contract to gain draft capital. Not only we wouldn't be getting that, we would be giving away a potential 1st. Am I reading this wrong? What's the Spurs' gain in this? :lol

Edit: i forgot, we would also be giving up Keldon. What in the actual fuck? :lmao

[DAF86]

Given the long off season, I liked the two pronged discussion about two players that may help the Spurs now and don’t really equate to expensive mistakes to me. $20 million per season is not big money re. Capela.

What about the Spurs finding a way to acquire Siakam AND Capela? Seems like we have some teams ripe for the picking in ATL and TOR.

Why the fuck would we want Capela in our team?

[baseline bum]

Any pick. Did you read the proposed trade? I don't get what the Spurs would be actually getting, Capella? I thought the idea was to take on Capella's contract to gain draft capital. Not only we wouldn't be getting that, we would be giving away a potential 1st. Am I reading this wrong? What's the Spurs' gain in this? :lol

Edit: i forgot, we would also be giving up Keldon. What in the actual fuck? :lmao

Keldon's not in the proposed trade for Capella. That would nuts.

[ChumpDumper]

Why the fuck would we want Capela in our team?To play center while Wemby plays PF, of course.

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[DAF86]

To play center while Wemby plays PF, of course.

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We have a much better and cheaper fit in Collins.

[DAF86]

Keldon's not in the proposed trade for Capella. That would nuts.

You're right, I got mixed up with folks talking about Keldon above. Either way it's nuts.:lol The only way the Spurs are taking on Capela's contract is if they get a 1st round pick, not give one away.

[ChumpDumper]

We have a much better and cheaper fit in Collins.

You think Collins will make a much better center allowing Wemby to play PF.

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[DAF86]

You think Collins will make a much better center allowing Wemby to play PF.

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Personally, I would start Wemby at C and play Sochan at PF, but if the Spurs really want to ease Wemby into the league at PF, I think Collins would be a perfect fit to put his body against the Jokics and Embiids of this World, while standing on the 3pt line on offense so that Wemby can play inside.

[TD 21]

They're not rumors, they're (foolish) suggestions; it's Capela, not Capella; and for the umpteenth time, the Spurs already have the ideal big man rotation for Wembanyama.

The last thing they need is a relatively expensive veteran starting C, some of whom will cost a solid asset, be guaranteed 25-30 mpg and either can't shoot (Capela) or can't shoot well/frequent enough (Valanciunas, Nurkic) to stretch the floor.

That piece would relegate Wembanyama to mostly spot-up shooter and slide Sochan down a position(s) to get him the minutes he should be slated for.

[sfernald]

Why the fuck would we want Capela in our team?
Cause we want a decent center next to Wemby for a couple years. One that won't make us wanna vomit.

[Knoxxx]

They're not rumors, they're (foolish) suggestions; it's Capela, not Capella; and for the umpteenth time, the Spurs already have the ideal big man rotation for Wembanyama.

The last thing they need is a relatively expensive veteran starting C, some of whom will cost a solid asset, be guaranteed 25-30 mpg and either can't shoot (Capela) or can't shoot well/frequent enough (Valanciunas, Nurkic) to stretch the floor.

That piece would relegate Wembanyama to mostly spot-up shooter and slide Sochan down a position(s) to get him the minutes he should be slated for.

There’s gold in that there post! Correcting a minor typo and use of the word “umpteenth”. Good stuff!

[BackHome]

Hard pass

[exstatic]

Cause we want a decent center next to Wemby for a couple years. One that won't make us wanna vomit.

He’s a dinosaur. Collins is a MUCH better option.

[Atl Spur]

Collins is a slick passer with a high bb iq and competes!

[Knoxxx]

My concern is if Collins is so slick what’s he going to cost in 2024-5 and beyond? We reclaimed the project now do we get a home town loyalty extension discount?

[spurraider21]

My concern is if Collins is so slick what’s he going to cost in 2024-5 and beyond? We reclaimed the project now do we get a home town loyalty extension discount?
Collins realizes that if he can produce all season the way he did last year after the Poeltl trade, he's going to be due for a pretty massive contract next offseason. Probably why the sides haven't reached a deal on an extension. He's betting on himself.

[Seventyniner]

My concern is if Collins is so slick what’s he going to cost in 2024-5 and beyond? We reclaimed the project now do we get a home town loyalty extension discount?

Zollins has every right to get the biggest bag he can, whatever team offers it to him. He already signed one team friendly contract for the Spurs.

[exstatic]

My concern is if Collins is so slick what’s he going to cost in 2024-5 and beyond? We reclaimed the project now do we get a home town loyalty extension discount?

If he costs $20M, that’s $20M better spent than on Capela.

[cd98]

It's not that I don't think Siakam is a good player, but if he's that good, why could they not make the playoffs last season with that roster?

[TD 21]

Given what Reid (3/$42M) and Stewart (4/$64M) received, if Collins can build off of last season by proving he can withstand starter's minutes for a full season, he's in line for a contract in that range.

Considering his injury history, the reality that he wouldn't start and at least sometimes close on most teams and the promising future this team now appears to possess, I don't see his representation playing hardball.

[Fireball]

Capella is a non-shooting big ... I prefer Collins to space the floor on offense. On defense Wemby already is the better version of the helpside shotblocker that Capella is.

[DAF86]

Cause we want a decent center next to Wemby for a couple years. One that won't make us wanna vomit.

Capela makes me vomit.

[exstatic]

Cause we want a decent center next to Wemby for a couple years. One that won't make us wanna vomit.

You’re like stuck in the 90s and 2000s. The rim runner/shot blocker only model is obsolete.

[Dex]

You’re like stuck in the 90s and 2000s. The rim runner/shot blocker only model is obsolete.

Tiago did a pretty damn good job for us all the way up to like 2015 but couldn't stay healthy, and he had a team of veteran passers around him who knew how to play through him.

But yes, it seems the model of a shooting big is now the "new formula" for better or worse

[MultiTroll]

It's not that I don't think Siakam is a good player, but if he's that good, why could they not make the playoffs last season with that roster?
Not everyone is Timmy Dunks.

Even excellent players have missed the POs on a scrub team.

[exstatic]

Tiago did a pretty damn good job for us all the way up to like 2015 but couldn't stay healthy, and he had a team of veteran passers around him who knew how to play through him.

But yes, it seems the model of a shooting big is now the "new formula" for better or worse

EVERYTHING changed in 2015 when the NBA changed the pick and roll defensive rules. By not allowing defenders to fight through, everything became a switch, leading to the near extinction of the traditional big. A modern 4/5 needs to ba able to switch everything on defense, and stretch the floor on offense. I said 90s and 2000s, but I should have just said pre-2015, because that was the seismic change. It’s been 8 years, and posters here, and some really dumb NBA GMs still don’t understand how little value a player like Capela has, going forward.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

They're not rumors, they're (foolish) suggestions; it's Capela, not Capella; and for the umpteenth time, the Spurs already have the ideal big man rotation for Wembanyama.

The last thing they need is a relatively expensive veteran starting C, some of whom will cost a solid asset, be guaranteed 25-30 mpg and either can't shoot (Capela) or can't shoot well/frequent enough (Valanciunas, Nurkic) to stretch the floor.

That piece would relegate Wembanyama to mostly spot-up shooter and slide Sochan down a position(s) to get him the minutes he should be slated for.

A cappella...or Ahhh, Capela

[MultiTroll]

Whats wrong with having both Zollins and Siakam?

Zollins career high 30 mpg his last month of last season.

[BacktoBasics]

Whats wrong with having both Zollins and Siakam?

Zollins career high 30 mpg his last month of last season.

30mpg really? Maybe they can offer him the Supermax ST wanted to give Austin Reaves.

[spurraider21]

Capela makes me vomit.
think about all the good screens he can set, and the 2-man pick and roll game we can have with wemby running the point

[ismael-robert]

30mpg really? Maybe they can offer him the Supermax ST wanted to give Austin Reaves.

What's wrong with having zillions and reaves

[BacktoBasics]

What's wrong with having zillions and reaves
At 50-60 million I think Reaves is on an appropriate contract. I was also being sarcastic.

[BacktoBasics]

think about all the good screens he can set, and the 2-man pick and roll game we can have with wemby running the point

Gonna be a helluva pg between him and Sochan.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

i've decided to trust in Wright so whatever he decides, i'm with

fuk it i'm in

[Knoxxx]

I just remember people wanting Siakam in the Leonard trade and now he’s not good enough for our roster. :spin

[Obstructed_View]

I just remember people wanting Siakam in the Leonard trade and now he’s not good enough for our roster. :spin
I would have rather had Siakam than Derozan. Is that wrong?

[BacktoBasics]

I would have rather had Siakam than Derozan. Is that wrong?

I don’t believe that was an option and I think most of us would agree with you. They weren’t even open to including Anonoby.

[Obstructed_View]

I don’t believe that was an option and I think most of us would agree with you. They weren’t even open to including Anonoby.
And it isn't that Siakam isn't good enough, but he's that much older now and the Spurs might have to give up Keldon for him. Certainly isn't the same situation.

[exstatic]

I just remember people wanting Siakam in the Leonard trade and now he’s not good enough for our roster. :spin

That was 5 years ago, half a decade. He was an old draftee, to boot.

[baseline bum]

I don’t believe that was an option and I think most of us would agree with you. They weren’t even open to including Anonoby.

Yeah DeRozan was just a salary dump for Toronto after yet another year of being played off the floor by LeBron in the postseason. From their view Poeltl and the first were the assets they traded for Leonard and Green and DeRozan was just the filler to match salary.