KAT to spurs rumours.

[ambchang]

https://www.si.com/nba/spurs/news/san-antonio-spurs-trade-karl-anthony-towns-victor-wembanyama-minnesota-timberwolves

Not a fan of KAT at all but this would be a great trade for the spurs from a talent perspective depending on what type two pics are (if they are the Charlotte and Chicago picks I’d be all in). The $ is hard to take though as KAT is up for $36M this year. After that he’s up for somewhere in the neighbourhood of $50m a year of which id be opposed to. So all this would be for a one year rental or the right to overpay him.

[lefty]

Talented player but a mental midget tbh

[stnick2261]

That's not a rumor. The article says someone on Bleacher Report came up with what they thought would be a shocking move.

[baseline bum]

Bleacher Report making shit up isn't a rumor

[John B]

Spurs need a banger inside and not a big body who rather stays out to take the 3’s

[spurraider21]

graham and campayne are roster filler anyway imo, so i dont really care about their inclusion. keldon + 2 of our weaker firsts for KAT is obviously a slam dunk. on paper he'd be a very good complement to wemby as well.

i know there are legit questions about him taking things to the next level, but on its face we'd be very dumb not to take that trade

with that said, its bleacher report throwing shit on a wall

[cd98]

I feel like Wemby and KAT would be duplicative players.

[spurraider21]

I feel like Wemby and KAT would be duplicative players.
if only there was precent for two big... towering figures sharing the court for the spurs

[exstatic]

KAT is passive and the epitome of weak sauce. There is also no way that in the current trade environment that Minny accepts only 2 FRPs for KAT.

[wildbill2u]

not gonna happen

[ChumpDumper]

Old timers will remember the only fantasy trades that got published back then were from Sam Amick. Now any douche with a phone....

[Spurs Homer]

Spurs would not want to risk wemby getting “infected” with that weak mentality kat-virus…

[rjv]

not a rumor-just a bad trade scenario

[ginobilized]

I don't see Pop wanting to add KAT to this team-oriented, positive squad.
Now is not the time to mess up chemistry. I'm not sold on the idea that KAT is the right type of player and personality for the Spurs.

Getting to really know Wemby will inform the team what they need. I cannot wait to see how it all unfolds.

What's the next BR rumor, Harden to Spurs?

[J_Paco]

I'd rather try to pry either OG Anunoby or Pascal Siakam from Toronto then trade for KAT.

And I'm a huge fan of Towns because of his family's Dominican ties, but wouldn't want him on the Spurs.

[Seventyniner]

For that price it would be a no-brainer. The fit would be a bit awkward on defense but KAT is an elite offensive big from everywhere on the court and imo he would be as important a contributor to a title team as Anthony Davis was in 2020. His contract also only has one overlapping year with Wemby's rookie extension.

I can't understand the take that the Spurs shouldn't be willing to take him no matter how low the cost, especially the "career loser" argument. Players that haven't won anything are always players who haven't won anything until they win something. This was true of Anthony Davis, among many many others.

[spurs10]

Can Bleacher Reports get us KD? :rolleyes

[KobesAchilles]

Why would anybody want KAT? The dude is like the go to guy when you think of big men with no heart and grit. He’s so bad at defense that the Wolves gave away 5 FRPs just for the corpse of Gobert to play defense

[spurraider21]

can always expect the "pointy elbows" takes from spurstalk

[PhantomDashCam]

He's the worst kind of tweener in today's NBA - Not tough enough as a C, too slow for the perimeter as a PF.

[baseline bum]

For that price it would be a no-brainer. The fit would be a bit awkward on defense but KAT is an elite offensive big from everywhere on the court and imo he would be as important a contributor to a title team as Anthony Davis was in 2020. His contract also only has one overlapping year with Wemby's rookie extension.

I can't understand the take that the Spurs shouldn't be willing to take him no matter how low the cost, especially the "career loser" argument. Players that haven't won anything are always players who haven't won anything until they win something. This was true of Anthony Davis, among many many others.

Anthony Davis is an elite defender when not in street clothes. Don't really see comparing KAT to him at all.

[heyheymymy]

do not want KAT

Minny looked better with him off the floor

[TD 21]

not a rumor-just a bad trade scenario

Yeah, not sure why so many (some are obviously doing it for clickbait) have trouble differentiating/distinguishing between the two.

The Spurs won't be pursuing other superstar/star bigs and they won't have interest in the Spurs in the Wembanyama era (not that they would have anyway).

[Vic Petro]

Do not want this mentality in the team

[NickiRasgo]

Please learn to differentiate the meaning of trade idea and trade rumors.

[ducks]

Do not want this mentality in the team

Is he more mentally fit then pop or Biden ?

[talkspurs]

think I would rather have Collins then him even if paid the same amount. Add in the price difference and I easily go with Collins. KAT is not a good player and makes way to much money.

[Seventyniner]

Anthony Davis is an elite defender when not in street clothes. Don't really see comparing KAT to him at all.

I'm not trying to make a direct comparison between the two other than to say they're both high positive impact players. Neither had any real playoff success as the #1 guy, but AD's success in LA leads me to believe that the "career loser" label is merely that, a label.

KAT is much better on offense than defense, but that would be an ideal pairing with young Wemby who projects to be an elite defender from day 1 but will have to learn to score efficiently.

[TD 21]

think I would rather have Collins then him even if paid the same amount. Add in the price difference and I easily go with Collins. KAT is not a good player and makes way to much money.

:lmao At referring to an All-NBA caliber player as "not a good player".

[baseline bum]

I'm not trying to make a direct comparison between the two other than to say they're both high positive impact players. Neither had any real playoff success as the #1 guy, but AD's success in LA leads me to believe that the "career loser" label is merely that, a label.

KAT is much better on offense than defense, but that would be an ideal pairing with young Wemby who projects to be an elite defender from day 1 but will have to learn to score efficiently.

KAT's pretty elite shooting the three at that position, but no way he's anywhere close to the impact player Davis is. It's a real stretch IMO. You could never watch Davis and think he was empty calories but can't really say that about KAT. And dude's going to make $64.7 million in 27-28 on that contract he's on while being just as much of a China doll as Davis. Ouch.

[BacktoBasics]

Is he more mentally fit then pop or Biden ?

Pop has led and helped thousands of people succeed and flourish in life. Yet you sat around watching your son spiral to his death while doing nothing. You’re the last person that should be criticizing people’s mental fitness. You’re a failure of a human being.

[KingKev]

Not a rumour and not paying that price in assets for the liberty of paying KAT 55mill a year over his extension. Solid offensive player but just no.

[TD 21]

AAV (average annual value) should be viewed in terms of % of cap, since that's the only relevancy it has.

As long as Towns, for example, is in line to make a typical % for an All-NBA caliber player, then the number, however exorbitant, is fine.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'm sure Minnesota would be happy to part with Towns considering the experiment of pairing him and Gobert appears to be an utter failure.


Picking up other teams' expensive trash doesn't appear to work well for any team in the last few years that has tried it. Towns is a great offensive player but hasn't proven he can help a team win. I don't think you pay franchise player money to a guy that doesn't have the mental fortitude to get your team to the promised land. And he's a lot to spend on a complimentary piece to Wemby.

[R. DeMurre]

Interesting to think of all the guff that Joel Embiid gets, and Jokic before him-- in comparison, the bar seems to be set so low for KAT. He has yet to even win a first round match up in his career, and honestly hasn't even come close. Granted his teams haven't been the best, but his influence on winning so far doesn't seem that elite, and the idea that he'll soon be getting a salary above $50mil a year and eventually over $60mil/year is pretty incredible.

[TD 21]

Interesting to think of all the guff that Joel Embiid gets, and Jokic before him-- in comparison, the bar seems to be set so low for KAT. He has yet to even win a first round match up in his career, and honestly hasn't even come close. Granted his teams haven't been the best, but his influence on winning so far doesn't seem that elite, and the idea that he'll soon be getting a salary above $50mil a year and eventually over $60mil/year is pretty incredible.

He's had one legitimate chance (in '22) and lost a competitive series to a better team (Grizzlies).

[R. DeMurre]

I'm not trying to make a direct comparison between the two other than to say they're both high positive impact players. Neither had any real playoff success as the #1 guy, but AD's success in LA leads me to believe that the "career loser" label is merely that, a label.

KAT is much better on offense than defense, but that would be an ideal pairing with young Wemby who projects to be an elite defender from day 1 but will have to learn to score efficiently.


I can understand this take, but for me it's a dangerous approach to view Wembanyama as a great defender who can compensate for bad defenders around him, and to use that as justification for an extremely expensive defensive liability. I'd rather be patient and hope that a player on the rise can be found in the next few years. The pairing of KAT and Gobert has so far been an underwhelming experience, though Gobert doesn't have nearly the all around potential versatility of Victor. How would you view their pairing? Wemby at C, and KAT at PF?

[R. DeMurre]

He's had one legitimate chance (in '22) and lost a competitive series to a better team (Grizzlies).

Right, but in the three years before that, he led his team to 23, 19, & 36 wins and wasn't even close to landing an 8th seed. I just think that's an underwhelming showing for an extremely well paid max player. He'll turn 28 this year, and in 8 seasons has really never contorted the league with the force of a Max guy.

[baseline bum]

AAV (average annual value) should be viewed in terms of % of cap, since that's the only relevancy it has.

As long as Towns, for example, is in line to make a typical % for an All-NBA caliber player, then the number, however exorbitant, is fine.

That's based on the assumption the cap is going to go way up from the next TV deal. I kind of wonder if that hype might flame out with all the cord cutting. Gen X are the last people who seem to give a shit about cable TV.

[baseline bum]

Right, but in the three years before that, he led his team to 23, 19, & 36 wins and wasn't even close to landing an 8th seed. I just think that's an underwhelming showing for an extremely well paid max player. He'll turn 28 this year, and in 8 seasons has really never contorted the league with the force of a Max guy.

Damn, hard to believe he has been in the league eight years now with how little he has accomplished.

[spurraider21]

KAT's pretty elite shooting the three at that position, but no way he's anywhere close to the impact player Davis is. It's a real stretch IMO. You could never watch Davis and think he was empty calories but can't really say that about KAT. And dude's going to make $64.7 million in 27-28 on that contract he's on while being just as much of a China doll as Davis. Ouch.
towns definitely feels more overwhelming as a scorer, but not sure how many players in the last 30 years, when at their best, have more of a defensive impact than AD has. when AD is healthy and "on"... he seemingly shuts down the entire court. the lakers title in the bubble, and even their playoff run this year, largely came from their defense, and it all starts and ends with AD

[buttsR4rebounding]

towns definitely feels more overwhelming as a scorer, but not sure how many players in the last 30 years, when at their best, have more of a defensive impact than AD has. when AD is healthy and "on"... he seemingly shuts down the entire court. the lakers title in the bubble, and even their playoff run this year, largely came from their defense, and it all starts and ends with AD

Damn, I thought their playoff run this year was on the back of Austin Reaves...

[spurraider21]

Damn, I thought their playoff run this year was on the back of Austin Reaves...
more than one person contributes to playoff runs. reaves was consistently the 3rd best player on the team, and plays good defense as well, as an ascending 2nd year player

[Seventyniner]

KAT's pretty elite shooting the three at that position, but no way he's anywhere close to the impact player Davis is. It's a real stretch IMO. You could never watch Davis and think he was empty calories but can't really say that about KAT. And dude's going to make $64.7 million in 27-28 on that contract he's on while being just as much of a China doll as Davis. Ouch.

Davis is definitely better than KAT overall but I think the gap is smaller than you do.

Still, KAT is available in this scenario while Davis isn't. Comparisons to AD aside, is there a price (such as Keldon + 2 firsts + filler) that you would be willing to pay for KAT if you were the Spurs? Or is he "avoid at all costs" for you?

I'm not worried about that last year salary btw. The cap should be pushing $200M by then. Paying 1/3 of it for your second best player, especially when Wemby will be on just a rookie extension, leaves plenty of room to fill out the roster.

[TD 21]

Right, but in the three years before that, he led his team to 23, 19, & 36 wins and wasn't even close to landing an 8th seed. I just think that's an underwhelming showing for an extremely well paid max player. He'll turn 28 this year, and in 8 seasons has really never contorted the league with the force of a Max guy.

Those were bad teams, with no semblance of a second star and in the second and third seasons of that stretch, he played 35 and 50 games respectively.

Only MVP caliber players have a chance at elevating those types to respectability.

Him being a "max guy" is a given as an All-NBA caliber player, but the only thing that generally guarantees team wise, is non bottom feeder status which he has delivered when healthy.



That's based on the assumption the cap is going to go way up from the next TV deal. I kind of wonder if that hype might flame out with all the cord cutting. Gen X are the last people who seem to give a shit about cable TV.

I've repeatedly heard that the expectation is that it will.

[exstatic]

Those were bad teams, with no semblance of a second star and in the second and third seasons of that stretch, he played 35 and 50 games respectively.

Only MVP caliber players have a chance at elevating those types to respectability.

Him being a "max guy" is a given as an All-NBA caliber player, but the only thing that generally guarantees team wise, is non bottom feeder status which he has delivered when healthy.




I've repeatedly heard that the expectation is that it will.

I don't want to pay $55M for that. Hell, DJ led us that far, and was making $15M before we traded him to ATL. The list of guys who can do that for <<< $55M is very long.

[TD 21]

I don't want to pay $55M for that. Hell, DJ led us that far, and was making $15M before we traded him to ATL. The list of guys who can do that for <<< $55M is very long.

That was his breakout to becoming a top starter/All-Star caliber player and he's now been extended at a number befitting of that status.

It was also for a single season and with White (mostly) and Poeltl, both better than anyone on those Timberwolves teams.

Anyway, as I said initially this is all moot anyway. The point is, let's not play the results without context game and pretend Towns isn't All-NBA caliber because of his obvious flaws.

[Mr. Body]

I got downvoted years ago saying KAT was a completely empty player. Minny would be delighted to get rid of him. That's money you could spend on actual winners.

[R. DeMurre]

Anyway, as I said initially this is all moot anyway. The point is, let's not play the results without context game and pretend Towns isn't All-NBA caliber because of his obvious flaws.


For me, his salary is the context. Yes, he has his strengths, but his salary going forward will be higher than that of Jokic or Giannis, and he's not a #1 guy, and very possibly not a #2 guy. Adding him cancels out a lot of potential future moves, and I just don't think he's a good value. Julius Randle was an All-NBA winner this year, and I'd feel the same about him.

[TD 21]

For me, his salary is the context. Yes, he has his strengths, but his salary going forward will be higher than that of Jokic or Giannis, and he's not a #1 guy, and very possibly not a #2 guy. Adding him cancels out a lot of potential future moves, and I just don't think he's a good value. Julius Randle was an All-NBA winner this year, and I'd feel the same about him.

Fair enough.

He is a "#1 guy", just not on a championship contender and he's definitely a "#2 guy" on one.

Again, not happening nor would I be in favor of it.

There's a difference between making an All-NBA (or All-Star) team(s) and being an All-NBA (or All-Star) player. Randle is the former, Towns is the latter.

[Mr. Body]

Fair enough.

He is a "#1 guy", just not on a championship contender and he's definitely a "#2 guy" on one.

Again, not happening nor would I be in favor of it.

There's a difference between making an All-NBA (or All-Star) team(s) and being an All-NBA (or All-Star) player. Randle is the former, Towns is the latter.

KAT ain't a #2 guy. He's absolutely terrible in the playoffs. You're watching $55 million disappear when it counts.

[KobesAchilles]

The thing about Davis is that the Lakers win when he is willing to do the dirty work. He is a great defender to be sure and it’s his offense that goes up and down. That’s why Austin Reaves was so important to the team bc they had a a legit 3rd guy performing at a high level offensively to offset any AD shortcomings

AD can never be a one bc of his inability to be the anchor both on defense and offense. But Towns can never do the dirty work. Ever. I mean he even ignored KG when he was a pup and KG was telling him what to work on. Instead he focused all his energy on his 3 pointer. And somehow his shitty defense became worse. It’s so bad that I can’t think of a softer 7 footer than him other than like Bargani (however the fuck you spell his name). And since we need a person to do the dirty work for Wemby, Towns makes zero sense. AD would actually fit. But at 60 a year the Lakers have fucked themselves for the next 3 years :lol

[JPB]

We'd have to choose between KAT and KT (Kevin Tran) anyway.

[R. DeMurre]

Fair enough.

He is a "#1 guy", just not on a championship contender and he's definitely a "#2 guy" on one.

Again, not happening nor would I be in favor of it.

Sorry, I should have been more clear-- I meant not a #1 guy on a championship contender.

[Chinook]

I actually think Towns could end up being really good, but he still has to mature. He needs a good vet around him. Him having Old KG on the team now would be way more valuable than it was a few years ago when he was still trying to figure out his basic talent.

[exstatic]

I actually think Towns could end up being really good, but he still has to mature. He needs a good vet around him. Him having Old KG on the team now would be way more valuable than it was a few years ago when he was still trying to figure out his basic talent.

He's almost 28, and at this point, he should BE the vet, not need one.

[TD 21]

KAT ain't a #2 guy. He's absolutely terrible in the playoffs. You're watching $55 million disappear when it counts.

He has, but it's also a small sample size of 16 games, one of which, the initial time ('18), came in arguably a pre prime (at least age wise season) and another of which, the most recent time ('23), while medically cleared, came when he wasn't all the way back from a serious calf injury.

Of course an All-NBA caliber player is capable of being the "#2 guy" on a championship contender, when there's been tons of examples of lesser players being so.

[exstatic]

He has, but it's also a small sample size of 16 games, one of which, the initial time ('18), came in arguably a pre prime (at least age wise season) and another of which, the most recent time ('23), while medically cleared, came when he wasn't all the way back from a serious calf injury.

Of course an All-NBA caliber player is capable of being the "#2 guy" on a championship contender, when there's been tons of examples of lesser players being so.

All Star and All NBA selections tend to be popularity contests. Demar DeRozan has 6 of the former and 3 of the latter, more than KAT, and he isn't a #2 on a championship team.

The NBA isn't a meritocracy. A lot of what happens is driven by the networks and the shoe companies.

[spurraider21]

All Star and All NBA selections tend to be popularity contests. Demar DeRozan has 6 of the former and 3 of the latter, more than KAT, and he isn't a #2 on a championship team.

The NBA isn't a meritocracy. A lot of what happens is driven by the networks and the shoe companies.
are there any nba players you like?

could you name 5 guys you'd want on the spurs?

[TD 21]

All Star and All NBA selections tend to be popularity contests. Demar DeRozan has 6 of the former and 3 of the latter, more than KAT, and he isn't a #2 on a championship team.

The NBA isn't a meritocracy. A lot of what happens is driven by the networks and the shoe companies.


There's a difference between making an All-NBA (or All-Star) team(s) and being an All-NBA (or All-Star) player. Randle is the former, Towns is the latter.

[exstatic]

are there any nba players you like?

could you name 5 guys you'd want on the spurs?

I've always held the position that only about 20% of NBA players are capable of playing for Pop. Then, you have to get into things like salary cap, fit, timing.

Jokic
Freak
Haliburton
Jamal Murray
Bam
JJJ
Mobley
Mikal Bridges
Cam Johnson

There are some older players I like too, like Jrue, Middleton, and Conley who just don't fit our timeline.

[CGD]

The is no player I would want less on the spurs than this joker

[scott]

The is no player I would want less on the spurs than this joker

Harden immediately comes to mind but that's the only one I can think of.

[GAustex]

Do not want flat earther Irving

[GAustex]

Or Chris Paul

[Ninja Roach]

Harden immediately comes to mind but that's the only one I can think of.

Kyrie and Nephew both have the potential to cancer the team up enough to chase Wemby away as well.

Seems like some (not you, so forgive me for quoting) forget the bigger potential and that's that Wemby is still a young fella.
Put him in a bad environment and 1 of 2 disasters occur:

1) He gets fed up and walks because the franchise has saddled itself with chronic losers/cancers
2) He himself gets infected by said loseritis/cancer.

The franchise has been blessed. Their main objective is to not throw that blessing away frivolously. I've said it before, but Luka will probaby be looking for a new home pretty soon. The team's job should be to make us as desirable a location as possible by keeping our options open and allowing the assets we have to develop unhindered into their full potential.

KAT reminds me too much of DeRozan and Aldridge. Not bad people, but not helpful when your ultimate goal is being the best team in the NBA.

[exstatic]

Harden immediately comes to mind but that's the only one I can think of.

I read an article today that one of the things Harden is pissed off at is that he wasn’t selected an All Star. Dumbass doesn’t know that the FANS do that. :rollin Then, when offered a replacement slot, he dithered so long responding that they selected someone else. They were afraid he wouldn’t show, because they literally had to send a plane to fly him to the 75th anniversary celebration, and team announcement. What a fucking tool.

[scott]

Kyrie and Nephew both have the potential to cancer the team up enough to chase Wemby away as well.

Seems like some (not you, so forgive me for quoting) forget the bigger potential and that's that Wemby is still a young fella.
Put him in a bad environment and 1 of 2 disasters occur:

1) He gets fed up and walks because the franchise has saddled itself with chronic losers/cancers
2) He himself gets infected by said loseritis/cancer.

The franchise has been blessed. Their main objective is to not throw that blessing away frivolously. I've said it before, but Luka will probaby be looking for a new home pretty soon. The team's job should be to make us as desirable a location as possible by keeping our options open and allowing the assets we have to develop unhindered into their full potential.

KAT reminds me too much of DeRozan and Aldridge. Not bad people, but not helpful when your ultimate goal is being the best team in the NBA.

Spot on. Too many braindead Spurs fans want us to chase after every slight upgrade, no matter how short-sighted it may be and future consequences be damned.

[scott]

I read an article today that one of the things Harden is pissed off at is that he wasn’t selected an All Star. Dumbass doesn’t know that the FANS do that. :rollin Then, when offered a replacement slot, he dithered so long responding that they selected someone else. They were afraid he wouldn’t show, because they literally had to send a plane to fly him to the 75th anniversary celebration, and team announcement. What a fucking tool.

He definitely deserves to go down in history as the perennial loser he is.

[talkspurs]

:lmao At referring to an All-NBA caliber player as "not a good player".

I will say the same thing about him that I did about simmons. Just because you get the awards does not mean you earn them. He puts up stats and that helps to get on those teams but he is not a good player. Do you think he is better then collins if so how much?

[TD 21]

I will say the same thing about him that I did about simmons. Just because you get the awards does not mean you earn them. He puts up stats and that helps to get on those teams but he is not a good player. Do you think he is better then collins if so how much?

He's basically been an All-NBA caliber player from the jump. Simmons was an All-Star caliber player and I don't know which Collins you're referring to, but I'd classify John as a solid-top starter and Zach as a borderline-low end one.

[Chinook]

He's almost 28, and at this point, he should BE the vet, not need one.

But that's what happens when you treat player development like 2K and just assume they'll get better with time. In an ideal world, Towns would know how to win a title and be able to pass that on to guys like Edwards. But he doesn't know. Fundamentally, he might be able to learn, especially not with the shit coaching and bad FO work. Lebron was in his ninth year when he won his first title. Durant was in his tenth. Both had choker reps. Both needed to go to teams where they were with talented vets who had already won a title. KAT hasn't even had the moderate playoff success those guys had, but he shouldn't get bogged down in that alpha/1A/franchise player shit anymore. He's not a GOAT candidate. No one cares. His legacy is going to based on his ability to win from now on. If he's late on where his clock should be, so be it.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Is he more mentally fit then pop or Biden ?

pop, no
biden, probably

tbh

[exstatic]

He's basically been an All-NBA caliber player from the jump. Simmons was an All-Star caliber player and I don't know which Collins you're referring to, but I'd classify John as a solid-top starter and Zach as a borderline-low end one.
Simmons made an All NBA teamn2020, so, by your standards, he’s an All NBA player, and a team can be built around him as a #1.

[exstatic]

But that's what happens when you treat player development like 2K and just assume they'll get better with time. In an ideal world, Towns would know how to win a title and be able to pass that on to guys like Edwards. But he doesn't know. Fundamentally, he might be able to learn, especially not with the shit coaching and bad FO work. Lebron was in his ninth year when he won his first title. Durant was in his tenth. Both had choker reps. Both needed to go to teams where they were with talented vets who had already won a title. KAT hasn't even had the moderate playoff success those guys had, but he shouldn't get bogged down in that alpha/1A/franchise player shit anymore. He's not a GOAT candidate. No one cares. His legacy is going to based on his ability to win from now on. If he's late on where his clock should be, so be it.

LeBron had been to two Finals before he won, the first of which was after his 4th season, and he appeared in the playoffs every year after his second until he went to LA. I don’t think we would be as hard on KAT if he could at least consistently take a team to the playoffs, and occasionally win a series now and then. Like AD, he can’t even do that. KAT will have to go be someone’s bitch at some point, like AD did, to ever win a ring.

[TD 21]

Simmons made an All NBA teamn2020, so, by your standards, he’s an All NBA player, and a team can be built around him as a #1.

That's literally the opposite of what I said on multiple counts.

[exstatic]

Fair enough.

He is a "#1 guy", just not on a championship contender and he's definitely a "#2 guy" on one.

Again, not happening nor would I be in favor of it.

There's a difference between making an All-NBA (or All-Star) team(s) and being an All-NBA (or All-Star) player. Randle is the former, Towns is the latter.


Simmons made an All NBA teamn2020, so, by your standards, he’s an All NBA player, and a team can be built around him as a #1.


That's literally the opposite of what I said on multiple counts.

Receipts are important.

[TD 21]

Receipts are important.

Stop trying to act hip, old man.

Let's try this one last time . . .


There's a difference between making an All-NBA (or All-Star) team(s) and being an All-NBA (or All-Star) player. Randle is the former, Towns is the latter.

[R. DeMurre]

Being named to any awards teams can be relatively arbitrary, and is heavily based on individual raw stats. If I was a GM right now, I'd be more interested in acquiring a Lauri Markkanen, Franz Wagner, or even a Trey Murphy lll than Randle, Towns, or Donovan Mitchell. Those last three have more personal accolades but are extremely expensive and have built in shortcomings that probably aren't fixable. Allen Iverson was always more popular than Ginobili, but i think Ginobili had a better route to championships because he didn't have the inherent weaknesses of AI.

[exstatic]

Fair enough.

He is a "#1 guy", just not on a championship contender and he's definitely a "#2 guy" on one.

Again, not happening nor would I be in favor of it.

There's a difference between making an All-NBA (or All-Star) team(s) and being an All-NBA (or All-Star) player. Randle is the former, Towns is the latter.

That's an opinion, young pup, not a fact, but if you're saying that players selected to either aren't necessarily "all that", you would have a number of people in this thread that would agree with you...regarding Towns.

[CGD]

Do not want flat earther Irving

Yeah, he, Towns, and Harden are the turd trident.

[TD 21]

That's an opinion, young pup, not a fact, but if you're saying that players selected to either aren't necessarily "all that", you would have a number of people in this thread that would agree with you...regarding Towns.

I'm not going to waste time prefacing virtually every post with "IMO", because it should go without saying.

It should be noted though, that it is an opinion borne of a combination of eye test and supported by "catch all" advanced metrics.

This board is filled with myopic homers, who possess a rudimentary understanding of the game (hence the reliance on counting stats/results without context) and think virtually everyone either "sucks" or isn't good enough to play for the Spurs.

[GAustex]

Yeah, he, Towns, and Harden are the turd trident.
Manu stuffing harden at the buzzer of that playoff game left me all toasty

[exstatic]

I'm not going to waste time prefacing virtually every post with "IMO", because it should go without saying.

It should be noted though, that it is an opinion borne of a combination of eye test and supported by "catch all" advanced metrics.

This board is filled with myopic homers, who possess a rudimentary understanding of the game (hence the reliance on counting stats/results without context) and think virtually everyone either "sucks" or isn't good enough to play for the Spurs.

It takes a certain mental fortitude for a player to come here and get ego checked by Pop pretty regularly. KAT strikes me, and a lot of others here, as mentally fragile, and not really up for that.

Oh, and the only "context" that matters is winning.

[TD 21]

It takes a certain mental fortitude for a player to come here and get ego checked by Pop pretty regularly. KAT strikes me, and a lot of others here, as mentally fragile, and not really up for that.

Oh, and the only "context" that matters is winning.

Again, this is all moot.

:lmao At acting as if they all have equal opportunity to win.

[$pursDynasty]

Early in this thread someone said something about great talent but not sure about his heart and bball IQ. I share the same concerns about KAT I would hate for him to lead this young team to adopting his aura. Here is a serious question what do you think it would take for the Heat to give us Jimmy. He is a warrior with heart but he is older and can get injured. I wouldn't give up all of our future capitol to get him but would he even cost that? I wouldn't mind giving up one of our more to be desired first round picks for Jimmy because he can play that (Timmay, MVParker, Gino) leadership role on the team to be the heart and leader of the squad to teach the younglings how to do it.

[CGD]

Manu stuffing harden at the buzzer of that playoff game left me all toasty

Id argue that series was one of his greatest choke jobs. What he did that game 6 after “the block” was embarrassing. The one time I felt bad for RocketFan.

[BacktoBasics]

I still think Trae for KAT is the best thing for both teams.

[Harry Callahan]

Not a fan of KAT. No thanks.

[kobyz]

So you don't want Jaylen Brown, you don't want KAT, who you do want?

[ismael-robert]

This isn't nba forum. There was no rumor, he's never coming, shut up already n close thread

[talkspurs]

He's basically been an All-NBA caliber player from the jump. Simmons was an All-Star caliber player and I don't know which Collins you're referring to, but I'd classify John as a solid-top starter and Zach as a borderline-low end one.

Neither of them were all star caliber players from the Jump. They had their name forced upon us by the media so both of them made the all star team. Neither though was an all star player. I was mostly talking about Zollins. If he stays healthy he is a solid starter. His biggest issue is staying healthy and hopefully with a year after recovery he has gotten past his getting injured but we will see how it plays out.

[TD 21]

Neither of them were all star caliber players from the Jump. They had their name forced upon us by the media so both of them made the all star team. Neither though was an all star player. I was mostly talking about Zollins. If he stays healthy he is a solid starter. His biggest issue is staying healthy and hopefully with a year after recovery he has gotten past his getting injured but we will see how it plays out.

Wrong. By Towns' second season, he was playing at an All-NBA caliber level and Simmons was playing at an All-Star caliber level in his first season (second in the league since he missed his first due to injury).

Pretending Collins is close to as good as Towns is absurd.

[Proxy]

I thought we were getting Giannis, guys stfu or we wont get him