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FkLA
09-08-2023, 07:53 PM
Houston loss was tough. Second game in a row that I walk away feeling like the better team snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Harris, as great as he is, has some sort of strange snowball effect with INTs. 3 INTs on three passes in a row, and he had two similar games last year

Texas State up next for home opener. Looking like it will be the second highest attended game ever. 40k+ seems like a certainty, 50k a possibility.

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FkLA
09-08-2023, 08:04 PM
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DMX7
09-08-2023, 08:52 PM
Houston loss was tough. Second game in a row that I walk away feeling like the better team snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Harris, as great as he is, has some sort of strange snowball effect with INTs. 3 INTs on three passes in a row, and he had two similar games last year

Texas State up next for home opener. Looking like it will be the second highest attended game ever. 40k+ seems like a certainty, 50k a possibility.

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Why such a high attendance for Texas State? Is Texas State expected to bring a lot of fans?

Blake
09-08-2023, 09:11 PM
Why such a high attendance for Texas State? Is Texas State expected to bring a lot of fans?

I'm gonna guess a few more tickets sold after the cats win against Baylor. If I had the time, I would go

FkLA
09-08-2023, 09:46 PM
Why such a high attendance for Texas State? Is Texas State expected to bring a lot of fans?

Rivalry game, home opener, Texas State fans finally having something to cheer about for the first time in like a decade, game looks like it will be closer than one would've thought a week ago. Perfect storm.

My guess is they bring 5-8k but it's still a huge UTSA crowd.

Blake
09-09-2023, 05:02 PM
Defensive slug fest here in the 3rd at 10-10.

Very surprised at the large size of Texas State's O Line. Looks like they average about 330+across the group.

FkLA
09-10-2023, 06:46 PM
Hard fought win. TXST is definitely improved but do think it's probably a double digit win if Harris doesn't get hurt. Thankfully, it was just a toe injury. I was fearful it was the knee again.

Either Baylor really fucking sucks or they just didn't take them seriously. Army up next on Friday at the Dome. ESPN game.

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FkLA
09-10-2023, 06:48 PM
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DMX7
09-10-2023, 08:02 PM
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Pretty good showing. If UTSA had won the previous week then they might have crossed the 50K mark.

pgardn
09-11-2023, 08:31 PM
Dont lose that coach.

rjv
09-12-2023, 11:30 AM
it was a great atmosphere. texas state fans really showed up, too.

FkLA
09-15-2023, 01:07 PM
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Blake
09-15-2023, 01:21 PM
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Really weird to have a college game on Friday. It's bull Shit really because it takes away from high school football. Fucking TV.

Neo.
09-15-2023, 07:43 PM
LMAO utsa
LMAO getting worked by army

DMX7
09-15-2023, 08:53 PM
UTSA getting manhandled. Time of Possession edge for Army is unreal.

Blake
09-15-2023, 08:58 PM
Smash mouth football and nothing UTSA can do about it. Pretty damn surprising.

FkLA
09-17-2023, 03:57 PM
Heard a lot of complaints about the refs, and there were some big missed calls, but man it's hard to point at the refs when they punt one time all game. ELM played well enough to win in place of Harris. Disappointing af.

IIRC UTSA is 20-3 in the Traylor era at the Alamodome. 2 of those losses are against Army. Both without Harris but still.

rjv
09-22-2023, 12:50 PM
not expecting too pretty a game tomorrow but it'd be great to see UTSA to keep it close for a half

DMX7
09-22-2023, 01:35 PM
not expecting too pretty a game tomorrow but it'd be great to see UTSA to keep it close for a half

I think that's the best that can be hoped for. That's a tough matchup.

FkLA
09-22-2023, 09:31 PM
Harris, Moore, Clark are all probably out. Arguably the team's Top 3 players. Think Traylor is being cautious and saving them for conference play (bye next week, first AAC game in two weeks).

Would've been an uphill battle even with them, tbh.

FkLA
09-23-2023, 02:11 PM
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lebomb
09-24-2023, 06:07 PM
McCown is the future!! Feel much better about our QB situation moving forward.

FkLA
09-24-2023, 06:28 PM
McCown is the future!! Feel much better about our QB situation moving forward.

He looked good!

But man it's kinda crazy how quickly things change. After the Army game it was all ELM is the future. One week later, and I'm seeing folks question Traylor for supposedly being too loyal to ELM instead of playing the P5 transfer. :lol

lebomb
09-25-2023, 12:37 PM
He looked good!

But man it's kinda crazy how quickly things change. After the Army game it was all ELM is the future. One week later, and I'm seeing folks question Traylor for supposedly being too loyal to ELM instead of playing the P5 transfer. :lol

The huge deal with ELM is he is immobile. He cannot run out of dire situations like Harris and McCown. In todays college football you really need a dual threat QB who can throw and run. If not, you better be a phenomenal pocket QB. I also like the fact that McCown is a lefty. That can cause problems or defenders.

FkLA
09-26-2023, 06:00 PM
The huge deal with ELM is he is immobile. He cannot run out of dire situations like Harris and McCown. In todays college football you really need a dual threat QB who can throw and run. If not, you better be a phenomenal pocket QB. I also like the fact that McCown is a lefty. That can cause problems or defenders.

I actually think ELM can move. He's no Harris but he was a pretty deadly dual threat in HS. He also has a bigger arm than any QB on the roster.

My concern with him is he never looks that poised/composed. McCown came in and took charge immediately. Don't think I've ever seen that from ELM.

lebomb
09-27-2023, 06:52 AM
I actually think ELM can move.

Hmmmm.......... I saw him get sacked or lose yardage on more plays than he gained yardage on. On the otherhand, I saw a MUCH more mobile McCown. That is why UTSA scored twice immediately after halftime.

Its just my humble opinion.

Birds UP!!!

rjv
09-27-2023, 12:59 PM
Hmmmm.......... I saw him get sacked or lose yardage on more plays than he gained yardage on. On the otherhand, I saw a MUCH more mobile McCown. That is why UTSA scored twice immediately after halftime.

Its just my humble opinion.

Birds UP!!!

i'm pretty sure mccown just jumped up to back up on the depth chart.

lebomb
09-28-2023, 06:44 AM
i'm pretty sure mccown just jumped up to back up on the depth chart.

Would not be surprised at all. Anyone who saw the game and is not blind, should have seen the difference in QBs. Again, IMHO at least.

FkLA
10-21-2023, 09:43 PM
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FkLA
10-22-2023, 06:05 PM
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FkLA
10-22-2023, 06:08 PM
3-0 in conference
20-1 their last 21 conference games


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lebomb
10-23-2023, 09:52 AM
Slapped tha brakes off them owls. :pimpslap

rjv
10-23-2023, 10:34 AM
solid win for the runners.

FkLA
11-01-2023, 02:17 PM
4-0 in AAC


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FkLA
11-09-2023, 11:00 PM
https://youtu.be/RdcSsF1fMD4?si=4YEBUCvUi1F-G3uu

https://x.com/theJJPerez/status/1721239677707890934?s=20

FkLA
11-09-2023, 11:25 PM
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DMX7
11-10-2023, 12:20 AM
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That regular season end game against Tulane is looking pretty interesting.

FkLA
11-10-2023, 12:56 PM
That regular season end game against Tulane is looking pretty interesting.

Hell yeah and it got flexed to Black Friday on ABC. First conference game on a three letter network in program history. Tulane has looked vulnerable the past few weeks but have still found ways to pull games out--still the champs until proven otherwise.

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DMX7
11-10-2023, 09:04 PM
Hell yeah and it got flexed to Black Friday on ABC. First conference game on a three letter network in program history. Tulane has looked vulnerable the past few weeks but have still found ways to pull games out--still the champs until proven otherwise.

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Pretty impressive. UTSA has played on ESPN (main channel) a few times and been pretty awful. Big chance for them to show out.

FkLA
11-12-2023, 09:49 PM
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Fortunately, I think most Aggies think they are too good for him. I've already seen a bunch of "we didn't pay $75 mill to get rid of Jimbo just to hire a UTSA coach" :lol

pgardn
11-12-2023, 10:13 PM
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Fortunately, I think most Aggies think they are too good for him. I've already seen a bunch of "we didn't pay $75 mill to get rid of Jimbo just to hire a UTSA coach" :lol

Hopefully the Aggies stay too proud.
I don’t want UT to have to recruit against Traylor.
And Traylor is damn sure a better coach than Jimbo.

DMX7
11-12-2023, 10:21 PM
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Fortunately, I think most Aggies think they are too good for him. I've already seen a bunch of "we didn't pay $75 mill to get rid of Jimbo just to hire a UTSA coach" :lol

They may think that but if higher profile targets turn A&M down then Traylor could be a serious target (assuming he isn't already).

I'm totally guessing here but I think Traylor is high on their minds. He'll come cheaper than some others which actually matters because it sounds like big money donors for A&M are not simply cutting a check for the full $76M Jimbo buyout, so cost is a consideration.

rjv
11-13-2023, 05:00 PM
at first, i was thinking that traylor is not what A&M would want but i'm not so sure anymore. it all depends. if they are looking for a coach who prefers to open up the offense then traylor will not be that high on the list but if they still want to see out a coach who operates a more balanced offense then he might be up there because i think he'd be a hell of a recruiter. and another thing that can be said about traylor is that his teams are always prepared. that being said, i really hope he stays at UTSA.

rjv
11-13-2023, 05:01 PM
also, i expect traylor to be on the mississippi state short list.

DMX7
11-13-2023, 05:09 PM
also, i expect traylor to be on the mississippi state short list.

If Traylor leaves, does UTSA hire Jimbo? :lol

I'm kidding of course but how wild would that be? :rollin

rjv
11-13-2023, 05:17 PM
If Traylor leaves, does UTSA hire Jimbo? :lol

I'm kidding of course but how wild would that be? :rollin

:spin i hope for UTSA's sake that doesn't play out.

FkLA
11-17-2023, 12:06 AM
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DMX7
11-17-2023, 01:05 AM
Well.. might start needing to think about who replaces Traylor for real if it does happen. UTSA job will be much more desirable than it was when Jeff took it.

Does sound like a lot of A&M fans do not want this to happen though.

MultiTroll
11-17-2023, 07:42 PM
UTSA for the win tonight vs S. Florida.

Is there any reason i should not pick UTSA to win?
Please post ASAP i want to parlay.

MultiTroll
11-18-2023, 05:35 PM
You San Antonio peeps and alumni had nothing to say about this? You disappointed me.

pgardn
11-19-2023, 12:25 PM
You San Antonio peeps and alumni had nothing to say about this? You disappointed me.

I know what UTSA does.
I do not know what the other teams in the conference do.
Sometimes these things come down to matchups.

FkLA
11-19-2023, 01:09 PM
Is there any reason i should not pick UTSA to win?

No.

DMX7
11-19-2023, 02:23 PM
Friday is going to be a great day of football. UTSA vs Tulane game on ABC will be worth watching.

rjv
11-22-2023, 04:57 PM
Friday is going to be a great day of football. UTSA vs Tulane game on ABC will be worth watching.

looking forward to it!

FkLA
11-24-2023, 02:51 PM
Birds motherfucking Up! LFG!! :flag:

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benefactor
11-24-2023, 06:08 PM
Fifth turnover. Smh

DMX7
11-24-2023, 06:51 PM
Not going to win many games with that many turnovers and costly penalties.

Hopefully UTSA can at least win their first bowl game this season.

FkLA
11-24-2023, 07:06 PM
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lebomb
11-24-2023, 09:47 PM
29-16 with 5 turnovers. Damn!!! What could have been.:cry

rjv
11-27-2023, 01:29 PM
runners have a tendency to play poorly at the worst times. i sure hope that they can play a clean bowl game and finally get past that hurdle.

lebomb
12-05-2023, 02:33 PM
Trey Moore is gone................

FkLA
12-06-2023, 02:00 PM
Trey Moore is gone................

This one hurts more than Zakhari. He was local and would've been given #0 next season. Sucks that with NIL we are just the minors for the big P5 schools now :depressed

Blake
12-06-2023, 02:38 PM
This one hurts more than Zakhari. He was local and would've been given #0 next season. Sucks that with NIL we are just the minors for the big P5 schools now :depressed

Need HEB to step up and put these guys in commercials like they do with Spurs and Astros

FkLA
12-06-2023, 07:18 PM
Need HEB to step up and put these guys in commercials like they do with Spurs and Astros

NIL is actually really solid at UTSA for a G5. But if a big SEC school wants someone like Trey I don't think there's any way to stop them, tbh.

pgardn
12-06-2023, 08:06 PM
NIL is actually really solid at UTSA for a G5. But if a big SEC school wants someone like Trey I don't think there's any way to stop them, tbh.

UT really likes him. Just waiting to see if bigger fish come. There is a defensive end from Fl. St. who is also in the portal which is a bit ironic as Fl. St. was one of the most effective teams in building themselves through the portal. And this player from Fl St. is also excellent. And there will be more.

This is becoming a bit like soccer. Except the team (club; UTSA in this instance) does not get compensated for doing a great job in finding and coaching him. Not all of them work out great for the player but in this case I think the kid is gonna get compensated and get more exposure for the draft.
Another instance showing that college sports are not fair, and never have been fair when acquiring a team. And making big bowl games, or now, the playoffs.

And then the $ exposure for being big popular schools. In soccer getting on a team that is Champions league worthy is huge for the player to aspire to. And these are the most popular teams in the world with the most money. Real Madrid, Barcelona, MU, Man City, Bayern, Liverpool, Juventus...

Good thing for UTSA is keeping the coach. I think other schools might be wary and are waiting to see how Traylor does without Frank Harris and the specialized offense that fit the QB so well. The other positive is that UTSA is located in very fertile grounds with a coach who knows the HS scene very, very well.

DMX7
12-06-2023, 09:39 PM
Need HEB to step up and put these guys in commercials like they do with Spurs and Astros

Yeah, UTSA really needs those corporate sponsors to fund NIL. It doesn't have a super deep and rich alumni base, but playing in a major media market has its benefits.

FkLA
12-06-2023, 10:57 PM
UT really likes him. Just waiting to see if bigger fish come. There is a defensive end from Fl. St. who is also in the portal which is a bit ironic as Fl. St. was one of the most effective teams in building themselves through the portal. And this player from Fl St. is also excellent. And there will be more.

This is becoming a bit like soccer. Except the team (club; UTSA in this instance) does not get compensated for doing a great job in finding and coaching him. Not all of them work out great for the player but in this case I think the kid is gonna get compensated and get more exposure for the draft.
Another instance showing that college sports are not fair, and never have been fair when acquiring a team. And making big bowl games, or now, the playoffs.

And then the $ exposure for being big popular schools. In soccer getting on a team that is Champions league worthy is huge for the player to aspire to. And these are the most popular teams in the world with the most money. Real Madrid, Barcelona, MU, Man City, Bayern, Liverpool, Juventus...

Good thing for UTSA is keeping the coach. I think other schools might be wary and are waiting to see how Traylor does without Frank Harris and the specialized offense that fit the QB so well. The other positive is that UTSA is located in very fertile grounds with a coach who knows the HS scene very, very well.

I figured UT was a likely landing spot for him.

It really is a fucked up system. Not only do the big schools already get the obvious high end recruits out of high school...but now they can just buy the guys they missed on/were developed by a smaller program. That's some rigged ass shit. I care more about CFB than the NFL but no league in any sport can compete with the parity in the NFL. It's perfect.

pgardn
12-06-2023, 11:44 PM
I figured UT was a likely landing spot for him.

It really is a fucked up system. Not only do the big schools already get the obvious high end recruits out of high school...but now they can just buy the guys they missed on/were developed by a smaller program. That's some rigged ass shit. I care more about CFB than the NFL but no league in any sport can compete with the parity in the NFL. It's perfect.

When NIL got wed to the portal I said either accept that’s is even more unfair and just enjoy all the interesting changes or quit watching or caring.

I chose the former. And I am a 4th generation UT grad. So it was not nearly as difficult as it would be for others.
I badly want UTSA to be a good school of choice and have good sports programs because I really like San Antonio.
UTSA is very important to San Antonio imo. Clearly my 2nd team. Honestly I would rather he stay at UTSA, but if he wants to leave it’s understandable from a $ point of view. So if he leaves to UT that’s easier for me. Pay him.

btw I read he was accepted into some really good schools, Ivy League type. Having a kid care about school, it’s much easier to like these types. I do not like that it hurts UTSA. He has a very good reputation apparently.

pgardn
12-07-2023, 08:14 PM
One prognosticator Crystal balled him to UT.
Thats really quick. Too quick.

FkLA
12-08-2023, 07:39 PM
When NIL got wed to the portal I said either accept that’s is even more unfair and just enjoy all the interesting changes or quit watching or caring.

I chose the former. And I am a 4th generation UT grad. So it was not nearly as difficult as it would be for others.
I badly want UTSA to be a good school of choice and have good sports programs because I really like San Antonio.
UTSA is very important to San Antonio imo. Clearly my 2nd team. Honestly I would rather he stay at UTSA, but if he wants to leave it’s understandable from a $ point of view. So if he leaves to UT that’s easier for me. Pay him.

btw I read he was accepted into some really good schools, Ivy League type. Having a kid care about school, it’s much easier to like these types. I do not like that it hurts UTSA. He has a very good reputation apparently.

Tbh if I look at the big picture we've actually been kinda spoiled at UTSA. Zakhari Franklin last year was the first major contributor to enter the portal...and it didn't even feel like that big of a deal bc at the time UTSA had three legitimate #1 WRs. Trey is the second. But aside from that any other portal entrants have been reserves that are looking for playing time. They usually end up transferring down.

Then you look at UNT who had a Top 20 offense under Eric Morris and they've had like 9 out of the 11 offensive starters enter the portal. That includes a 3k yard QB, 1k receiver, 1k RB. They've been completely gutted and they've had plenty of carnage in previous years too. Speaks volumes about the culture Traylor has built, tbh.

FkLA
12-08-2023, 07:48 PM
One prognosticator Crystal balled him to UT.
Thats really quick. Too quick.

He had probably already been tampered with. Traylor complained about guys being contacted days before the portal opened. There's no way to regulate it though.

I guess the next best thing to keeping him would be seeing him stay in state.

pgardn
12-10-2023, 10:41 PM
He had probably already been tampered with. Traylor complained about guys being contacted days before the portal opened. There's no way to regulate it though.

I guess the next best thing to keeping him would be seeing him stay in state.

Being recruited by all big schools now.
Visited UT, next visit Ohio St. Maybe more to come.
Edges who already proved themselves on the field ((and on film apparently look outstanding) are very valuable.
As an example: There are loads of good WR. Lots of choices. Not such a big deal if you miss one.

There are so many ways to tamper through unofficial channels… I don’t know how to control it either. I guess you have to know much more than we do. All the agents, individual position coaches who are unaffiliated with any school, uncles…a mess most likely. AAU and shoe companies in basketball…. also a mess.
Just route them to the right booster group or big company advertising guys with ties to a school.

edit

Alabama also lined up for visit apparently. There are no secrets. He plays at a critical position.

FkLA
12-12-2023, 11:28 AM
Damn. I knew he was good but still kinda cool to see him getting courted by the absolute elites. I really hope he balls out wherever he ends up.

Neo.
12-12-2023, 01:33 PM
I figured UT was a likely landing spot for him.

It really is a fucked up system. Not only do the big schools already get the obvious high end recruits out of high school...but now they can just buy the guys they missed on/were developed by a smaller program. That's some rigged ass shit. I care more about CFB than the NFL but no league in any sport can compete with the parity in the NFL. It's perfect.

it's pretty simple. more subdivisions should be created so that uncompetitive programs like UTSA don't exist to merely be doormats. it's like expecting a bunch of 2A highschools to compete with 6A schools. not happening.

FkLA
12-14-2023, 03:09 PM
it's pretty simple. more subdivisions should be created so that uncompetitive programs like UTSA don't exist to merely be doormats. it's like expecting a bunch of 2A highschools to compete with 6A schools. not happening.

stfu faggot

Neo.
12-14-2023, 05:20 PM
stfu faggot

do you seriously think it makes sense for a school with far less resources, history, and quality to compete with the highest level of competition? they can't even compete with mid-to-lower tier schools rofl

Blake
12-14-2023, 05:33 PM
it's pretty simple. more subdivisions should be created so that uncompetitive programs like UTSA don't exist to merely be doormats. it's like expecting a bunch of 2A highschools to compete with 6A schools. not happening.

Lol uncompetitive isn't fair but more subdivisions are definitely needed for schools like UTSA that at the current rate will never sniff the playoffs.

130+ schools at FBS level is ridiculous.

Neo.
12-14-2023, 06:28 PM
winning cusa twice in a decade and otherwise struggling to be .500 isn't exactly competitive

FkLA
12-14-2023, 07:40 PM
Lol uncompetitive isn't fair but more subdivisions are definitely needed for schools like UTSA that at the current rate will never sniff the playoffs.

130+ schools at FBS level is ridiculous.

Last I checked the highest ranked G5 conference champ is guaranteed a spot in the playoff. So they definitely have a chance. If that changes (which wouldn't be all that surprising with how rigged this shit is) then yeah it will be difficult.

And UTSA will usually be one of the top teams in what has always been considered the best G5 conference. FBS is definitely oversaturated but there's dozens of weaker programs that would be on the chopping block before anyone in the AAC would be.


winning cusa twice in a decade and otherwise struggling to be .500 isn't exactly competitive

The program is 13 years old, dipshit. Anyone that knows anything realizes that UTSA's emergence in such a short amount of time is actually impressive.

They're on a UCF-esque trajectory and they just got the call up to the big leagues.

Blake
12-14-2023, 08:50 PM
Last I checked the highest ranked G5 conference champ is guaranteed a spot in the playoff. So they definitely have a chance. If that changes (which wouldn't be all that surprising with how rigged this shit is) then yeah it will be difficult.

And UTSA will usually be one of the top teams in what has always been considered the best G5 conference. FBS is definitely oversaturated but there's dozens of weaker programs that would be on the chopping block before anyone in the AAC would be.



The program is 13 years old, dipshit. Anyone that knows anything realizes that UTSA's emergence in such a short amount of time is actually impressive.

They're on a UCF-esque trajectory and they just got the call up to the big leagues.

Yeah I guess UTSA moved from a .1% chance to a 1% make the playoffs.

You wouldn't rather be in a next group of 64 with better odds of winning that title?

Neo.
12-14-2023, 09:15 PM
fbs could easily be broken into 3, maybe 4 tiers
let's say 3 to be generous. utsa would have to choose between generally being bottom of 2nd tier or top of 3rd tier.

FkLA
12-14-2023, 10:21 PM
Yeah I guess UTSA moved from a .1% chance to a 1% make the playoffs.

You wouldn't rather be in a next group of 64 with better odds of winning that title?

Buddy, UTSA has a much higher chance than 1% to win the AAC. I would argue that being an elite G5 team is an easier path to get to the playoff than being a middle to lower tier P5 program. And the results + recruiting the past few years (relative to G5 peers) suggests that UTSA is already a Top 10 G5 program.

But obviously I'd still rather be P5 because of all the other benefits that come with it.

FkLA
12-14-2023, 10:35 PM
fbs could easily be broken into 3, maybe 4 tiers
let's say 3 to be generous. utsa would have to choose between generally being bottom of 2nd tier or top of 3rd tier.

There's a lot of dead weight, low ceiling programs in FBS. And that includes plenty of P5s. I don't think UTSA is one. Again, the parallels to UCF have been mentioned ad nauseam by many. They should be P5 worthy in a decade or two, imo. The question is if the P5 will even exist then.

DMX7
12-15-2023, 01:02 AM
Would be interesting if college football had some type of system like English soccer, where you move up or down divisions based on your success. At least I think that's how it works -- I don't really know. :lol

Neo.
12-15-2023, 02:25 AM
There's a lot of dead weight, low ceiling programs in FBS. And that includes plenty of P5s. I don't think UTSA is one. Again, the parallels to UCF have been mentioned ad nauseam by many. They should be P5 worthy in a decade or two, imo. The question is if the P5 will even exist then.

ucf would be mid to bottom second tier or top of third tier in aforementioned scenario too rofl

FkLA
12-15-2023, 10:02 AM
ucf would be mid to bottom second tier or top of third tier in aforementioned scenario too rofl

Enrollment, city/market size, fertile recruiting grounds, no NFL team

UCF and UTSA haven't even reached their ceilings. UCF was already near the top in Big 12 recruiting rankings (excluding UT & OU) in just their first year. UTSA just signed the top G5 class last season. If you don't know anything about CFB outside the big schools then just say so.

lebomb
12-15-2023, 10:48 AM
LMMFAO at all the shiot talkers on UTSA football. I remember individuals saying it would take UTSA 40yrs to beat G5 or P5 program. What has been done in just 12yrs is simply amazing. To think otherwise is just straight dumb. UTSA went from not even having a practice field in 2010 to moving from nothing, to FCS to FBS to winning CUSA in 12yrs. Say what you want haters, but NOONE but true Roadrunners ever thought this was possible. So keep hating ya bunch uh losers. Its very easy to talk shiot when your football program has been around almost 150yrs or more. :rolleyes:rolleyes

Birds UP!!! Lets go 210!!!

Neo.
12-15-2023, 11:21 AM
Enrollment, city/market size, fertile recruiting grounds, no NFL team

UCF and UTSA haven't even reached their ceilings. UCF was already near the top in Big 12 recruiting rankings (excluding UT & OU) in just their first year. UTSA just signed the top G5 class last season. If you don't know anything about CFB outside the big schools then just say so.

oh so basically everything they do is middle of the pack among fbs at best. exactly what I've been saying all along. thanks for confirming :tu

Neo.
12-15-2023, 11:24 AM
LMMFAO at all the shiot talkers on UTSA football. I remember individuals saying it would take UTSA 40yrs to beat G5 or P5 program. What has been done in just 12yrs is simply amazing. To think otherwise is just straight dumb. UTSA went from not even having a practice field in 2010 to moving from nothing, to FCS to FBS to winning CUSA in 12yrs. Say what you want haters, but NOONE but true Roadrunners ever thought this was possible. So keep hating ya bunch uh losers. Its very easy to talk shiot when your football program has been around almost 150yrs or more. :rolleyes:rolleyes

Birds UP!!! Lets go 210!!!

I don't think it's a shocker that they got around to winning a lousy conference. they are a Texas team, and carry the UT name. they were bound to occasionally have some decent seasons among some really bad ones too.

lebomb
12-15-2023, 11:35 AM
I don't think it's a shocker that they got around to winning a lousy conference. they are a Texas team, and carry the UT name. they were bound to occasionally have some decent seasons among some really bad ones too.

So what are you trying to say?

We underachieved? We are on the schedule everyone thought we would be? LOL

Go HORNS!!! Its easy to root for the 1st football team in Texas that has a 789 yr history in football.

Neo.
12-15-2023, 04:26 PM
So what are you trying to say?

We underachieved? We are on the schedule everyone thought we would be? LOL

Go HORNS!!! Its easy to root for the 1st football team in Texas that has a 789 yr history in football.

all ive said is that they are a middle of the pack program in current fbs, at their absolute best. ahead of schedule? perhaps in the minds of some. will they ever be on par with programs like bama, usc, ou, texas, ohio st, michigan, georgia, etc... ? no.

therefore, by creating subdivisions, they can compete for a championship among comparable competition, instead of beating crap competition but never being good enough do anything other than the occasional upset of a higher tier program on a down year (and zero chance at a national championship). last year was their best season yet, but they still lost by 21 to a texas team that wasnt very good, didnt take them seriously, and was starting hudson card lol. oh and then losing the cure bowl (rofl) to troy roflroflrofl

Neo.
12-15-2023, 04:37 PM
lets also add some more perspective

so far UTSAs record against P5 programs (with the exception of texas last year, they have been playing solely against mid-to-low tier programs among those conferences, such as baylor, okst, aggie, az st...)

2-18

the two wins being against

2017 baylor (1-11 team rofl)
2021 illinois (5-7 team)

so id say im being very positive in saying they are a middle of pack program at best. im legit not trying to troll or anything.

DMX7
12-15-2023, 04:45 PM
lets also add some more perspective

so far UTSAs record against P5 programs (with the exception of texas last year, they have been playing solely against mid-to-low tier programs among those conferences, such as baylor, okst, aggie, az st...)

2-18

the two wins being against

2017 baylor (1-11 team rofl)
2021 illinois (5-7 team)

so id say im being very positive in saying they are a middle of pack program at best. im legit not trying to troll or anything.

The program is not much more than a decade old. That's nothing. I think you can judge based on the last 3 or 4 years and they have been solid.

Neo.
12-15-2023, 07:05 PM
The program is not much more than a decade old. That's nothing. I think you can judge based on the last 3 or 4 years and they have been solid.

for their situation, yes. if you read my posts, I have not said otherwise at any point

but as far as being a competitive fbs team? at the highest level, they have not even competed, except for playing a mediocre texas team who beat them by 21. oh and then this year they played a decent Tennessee team who beat them by 31, almost forgot about that.

as of now, they compete well among middle to lower tier teams. thus i said, if fbs was broken into 3 tiers, they would generally be at the top of the 3rd tier, bottom to middle of 2nd tier.

Blake
12-15-2023, 07:20 PM
Buddy, UTSA has a much higher chance than 1% to win the AAC. I would argue that being an elite G5 team is an easier path to get to the playoff than being a middle to lower tier P5 program. And the results + recruiting the past few years (relative to G5 peers) suggests that UTSA is already a Top 10 G5 program.

But obviously I'd still rather be P5 because of all the other benefits that come with it.

Lol what benefits is there for you as a fan if they moved to a P5 just to be a doormat every year?

An undefeated conference USA school should be ahead of a one loss AAC school. And if a CUSA school has more impressive non conference wins than an undefeated AAC school, they're probably in.

Blake
12-15-2023, 07:22 PM
So what are you trying to say?

We underachieved? We are on the schedule everyone thought we would be? LOL

Go HORNS!!! Its easy to root for the 1st football team in Texas that has a 789 yr history in football.

You'll be on schedule to be horns level in no time!

pgardn
12-15-2023, 07:37 PM
Would be interesting if college football had some type of system like English soccer, where you move up or down divisions based on your success. At least I think that's how it works -- I don't really know. :lol

Thats basically how it works and it would be interesting but there are some logistical problems with numbers and establishing divisions to begin with. I’m sure people have looked into it. The cool thing is it has flexibility as teams rise and fall. Teams with a fantastic history but a historically horrible demise may not like some aspects the beginning of what I am imagining And they still have a very large following. Smaller schools with a successful recent history might not like it either.

And the big difference is the playoff system. There are no playoffs to win a league in the top division. It’s very pure. Best record wins. Done. So games throughout the season matter. It’s great if you get significantly better at the end of a season but you can’t f up the beginning if other teams get hot at the end of a season. You would not have something like the Buccaneers, Saints, Falcons having a chance to win the whole thing with an under .500 regular season record. So Imo it requires die hard fans to work. You will find this in much of soccer because the teams are so old and are also generational familial entertainment. You grow up with a team influenced by your town and neighborhood.

pgardn
12-16-2023, 09:46 AM
Trey Moore visiting Alabama now.

pgardn
12-20-2023, 12:42 AM
Birds win!

lebomb
12-20-2023, 09:58 AM
210 for the win!! 35-17

Owen McCown defeated Chad Pennington. Both dads played in the NFL.

Blake
12-20-2023, 11:43 AM
Lol wtf stadium was that for the "Frisco Bowl"? A converted soccer field? :lol

Blake
12-20-2023, 11:46 AM
I will say once McCown settled in I liked his game.

Blake
12-20-2023, 11:48 AM
I also thought it was shit the way Marshall used Pennington. I thought he was a decent passer yet they kept going wildcat. Their coaching staff also made some weird calls like not going for it on 4th and 2 in the second half and then missing the FG.

lebomb
12-20-2023, 12:54 PM
lets also add some more perspective

so far UTSAs record against P5 programs (with the exception of texas last year, they have been playing solely against mid-to-low tier programs among those conferences, such as baylor, okst, aggie, az st...)

2-18

the two wins being against

2017 baylor (1-11 team rofl)
2021 illinois (5-7 team)

so id say im being very positive in saying they are a middle of pack program at best. im legit not trying to troll or anything.


:rolleyes .........thanks for the update. Funny this coming from a UT supporter of a football program 200yrs old which has been shitty for the last dozen years until now.

Also, NO UTSA will never be a UT, Bama, Michigan or OSU. We will always remain 200yrs in the hole compared to when those programs started. BUT!!! We will get better though. UTSA might steal a P5 win or two along the way, which I am fine with. Just keep winning the G5 conference we are in and I am also fine with that.

Merry Christmas and a 210 Birds Up New Year!!!!! :claw

Neo.
12-20-2023, 04:22 PM
:rolleyes .........thanks for the update. Funny this coming from a UT supporter of a football program 200yrs old which has been shitty for the last dozen years until now.

Also, NO UTSA will never be a UT, Bama, Michigan or OSU. We will always remain 200yrs in the hole compared to when those programs started. BUT!!! We will get better though. UTSA might steal a P5 win or two along the way, which I am fine with. Just keep winning the G5 conference we are in and I am also fine with that.

Merry Christmas and a 210 Birds Up New Year!!!!! :claw

exactly what I've said all along. middle of the pack at best. not sure why that triggered you choderunner fans so much.

Biggems
12-20-2023, 05:22 PM
it sucked seeing Wisdom go down in his last game.....he has been a joy to watch for almost the last decade.....I hope he can make it to the NFL, if that is his goal. It would be awesome to have another Judson Rocket in the League.

lebomb
12-20-2023, 07:41 PM
exactly what I've said all along. middle of the pack at best. not sure why that triggered you choderunner fans so much.


We are true fans marthafawker. :ihit

Neo.
12-20-2023, 08:08 PM
We are true fans marthafawker. :ihit

yes you are. enjoy the win over marshall.

playblair
12-20-2023, 08:47 PM
utsa fans:lmao cap students who couldnt get into the flagship:rollin

pgardn
12-20-2023, 09:00 PM
utsa fans:lmao cap students who couldnt get into the flagship:rollin

The only place you got into was prison.
fkn perv…

lebomb
12-21-2023, 08:14 AM
yes you are. enjoy the win over marshall.


Thanks brutha........Good luck to the Horns!!!

lebomb
12-21-2023, 08:18 AM
utsa fans:lmao cap students who couldnt get into the flagship:rollin

Doesnt matter where you go, as long as you do well and make good grades. I thought a BYU would know that by now. Also, noone gives a shit about UT nor BYU of all schools. Bunch a weirdos up in Utah. Yall introduce your wife and daughter and there is only one girl standing there. :rolleyes


2020..............BYU ranked #11 beat UTSA at home 27-20. OMG!!!! What a powerhouse BYU is. :lmao gtmffooh BYU football began in 1922, 101 yrs ago. UTSA football began in 2011. :rolleyes

playblair
12-21-2023, 06:28 PM
The only place you got into was prison.
fkn perv…
prison got me a degree from college fully paid by the government............

lebomb
12-22-2023, 07:57 AM
prison got me a degree from college fully paid by the government............


Its great you got your degree, but how you got it..............not so much. :depressed


210! Birds Up!!

pgardn
12-22-2023, 08:30 AM
prison got me a degree from college fully paid by the government............

So your degree taught you how to use basketball forums to drum up clients for anal sex?
You still need to get some things figured out. I really don’t wish ill upon anyone. There are other venues to satisfy cravings I would think.
Im not the site cop but cmon man…. Don’t abuse the liberties given on this site.

Blake
12-22-2023, 12:12 PM
prison got me a degree from college fully paid by the government............

And you learned survival skills in the shower. Win win

FkLA
12-22-2023, 04:52 PM
Lol what benefits is there for you as a fan if they moved to a P5 just to be a doormat every year?

I don't think they would be a doormat? Would probably take a few years for the influx of media money/improved recruiting to get them up to par. But after that transition period there's no program in the Big 12 I look at that I'm like "yeah UTSA can never dream of reaching their level". The blue bloods you could say that about have left.


An undefeated conference USA school should be ahead of a one loss AAC school. And if a CUSA school has more impressive non conference wins than an undefeated AAC school, they're probably in.

I don't know why y'all talk when you don't even follow these conferences enough to form an informed opinion.

Tulane was a one loss team going into conference championship week and was ahead of undefeated Liberty. If they would've beat SMU they would've gotten the NY6 bid. That undefeated Liberty team barely managed to get it over a two loss SMU. I know yall think all G5 conferences are the same but there's tiers at this level too. Media contracts, athletic budgets, coaching salaries, recruiting rankings. The AAC is clearly a notch above the rest. The conference has also gotten that NY6 bid like 7 out of 10 times IIRC. That 12th seed will go to the AAC champ more times than not. So yes, UTSA has more than a 1% chance of reaching the playoff.

FkLA
12-22-2023, 05:10 PM
oh so basically everything they do is middle of the pack among fbs at best. exactly what I've been saying all along. thanks for confirming :tu

You called them uncompetitive, fool. When in reality, relative to their peers/resources, they are elite.

I also never understood why cfb fans are such elitists. Every league in every sport has traditionally dominant teams. Like yeah, someone like UCF will likely never become a blue blood. But they can become a perennial Top 25 program that can make some noise in the playoffs from time to time. Why is that a bad thing or why do we want to exclude those type of teams? Isn't that the kind of shit that makes March Madness great? It's the same type of assholes that scoffed at TCU getting a playoff bid last year.


I don't think it's a shocker that they got around to winning a lousy conference. they are a Texas team, and carry the UT name. they were bound to occasionally have some decent seasons among some really bad ones too.

You don't know what you're talking about. Look at the programs that started their programs from scratch at the same time as UTSA. Georgia State, South Alabama, Old Dominion. Or even Texas State, UTEP, or North Texas who had like 100 year head starts. None of them have even come close to sniffing the success UTSA has already had.

Neo.
12-22-2023, 07:09 PM
You called them uncompetitive, fool.

middle of the pack at best, isnt really competitive. if they created a lower subdivision where they had legit shots to win championships, then yes they would be quite competitive.


When in reality, relative to their peers/resources, they are elite.

which is why they belong in a lower subdivision. otherwise, they are simply not elite among their current subdivision.


I also never understood why cfb fans are such elitists. Every league in every sport has traditionally dominant teams. Like yeah, someone like UCF will likely never become a blue blood. But they can become a perennial Top 25 program that can make some noise in the playoffs from time to time. Why is that a bad thing or why do we want to exclude those type of teams? Isn't that the kind of shit that makes March Madness great? It's the same type of assholes that scoffed at TCU getting a playoff bid last year.

no one is saying excluding teams that are perennial top 25 programs that can make some noise in the playoffs from time to time. just exclude the ones who generally have no chance at that at this point in time. like UTSA. and have a system that relegates bottom feeders to a lower subdivision, and promotes dominant programs to a higher subdivision from time to time (say once every 4-5 years). so if a program like UTSA dominates a lower subdivision for a few seasons, they can have a shot at competing against the top programs, and prove if they belong or not.


You don't know what you're talking about. Look at the programs that started their programs from scratch at the same time as UTSA. Georgia State, South Alabama, Old Dominion. Or even Texas State, UTEP, or North Texas who had like 100 year head starts. None of them have even come close to sniffing the success UTSA has already had.

keep in mind you are talking about a university that is an offspring of UT (one of the biggest football programs ever), in the state of texas (biggest football state in america), in the city of San Antonio (7th most populated city in america), compared to smaller texas cities like denton or elpaso, or places like norfolk virginia, or mobile alabama :lmao :lmao :lmao

ChumpDumper
12-23-2023, 12:23 AM
:lol P5 fans are adorable

djohn2oo8
12-23-2023, 08:36 AM
If UTSA had a good basketball program they’d be in the Big XII already. For example, U of H is in the Big XII mainly because of basketball, their football team is never going to be good enough to compete. However, as UTSA continues to build they are going to have to draw in more local vendorship and endorsements.

lebomb
12-23-2023, 11:46 AM
If UTSA had a good basketball program they’d be in the Big XII already. For example, U of H is in the Big XII mainly because of basketball, their football team is never going to be good enough to compete. However, as UTSA continues to build they are going to have to draw in more local vendorship and endorsements.

100% in agreement with your comments. Finally someone that makes a legit response. :claw

Neo.
12-23-2023, 02:16 PM
their football team is never going to be good enough to compete.


100% in agreement with your comments. Finally someone that makes a legit response. :claw

glad you see it

lebomb
12-23-2023, 02:43 PM
glad you see it

I didn’t Agee with that first comment. You threw that shiat in there.

Neo.
12-23-2023, 02:50 PM
I didn’t Agee with that first comment. You threw that shiat in there.

I didn't throw anything in, it's literally what he wrote. and you replied "100% in agreement"

FkLA
12-23-2023, 02:59 PM
middle of the pack at best, isnt really competitive. if they created a lower subdivision where they had legit shots to win championships, then yes they would be quite competitive.

If you want to relegate anybody that doesn't have a legit chance at championships that would be like 95% of FBS. What, you want like a 10 team subdivision full of just blue bloods? :lol


which is why they belong in a lower subdivision. otherwise, they are simply not elite among their current subdivision.


Besides the main reason for this is that the system is rigged and not bc a program like UTSA is inherently inferior.



no one is saying excluding teams that are perennial top 25 programs that can make some noise in the playoffs from time to time. just exclude the ones who generally have no chance at that at this point in time. like UTSA. and have a system that relegates bottom feeders to a lower subdivision, and promotes dominant programs to a higher subdivision from time to time (say once every 4-5 years). so if a program like UTSA dominates a lower subdivision for a few seasons, they can have a shot at competing against the top programs, and prove if they belong or not.

I brought up UCF and you scoffed at them too. Perennial Top 25 with playoff appearances is very realistic for UCF in the near future.

I'd be down with a promotion/relegation system but that's a pipe dream.


keep in mind you are talking about a university that is an offspring of UT (one of the biggest football programs ever), in the state of texas (biggest football state in america), in the city of San Antonio (7th most populated city in america), compared to smaller texas cities like denton or elpaso, or places like norfolk virginia, or mobile alabama :lmao :lmao :lmao

Ok, so like I said...what they have done is not the norm.

And those same things you listed are the same reasons UTSA has a much higher ceiling than programs that are actually uncompetitive.

Blake
12-23-2023, 03:09 PM
:lol P5 fans are adorable

Lol was tired of being a Sooner/Longhorn door mat. I'm glad they're gone

ChumpDumper
12-23-2023, 03:14 PM
Lol was tired of being a Sooner/Longhorn door mat. I'm glad they're goneI should have been more specific about the big money P5s.

I mean it's mainly a money thing now. Shit's going to be cannibalized to such an extent that the SEC will be looking for ways to kick out Vanderbilt or something like that.

FkLA
12-23-2023, 03:14 PM
If UTSA had a good basketball program they’d be in the Big XII already. For example, U of H is in the Big XII mainly because of basketball, their football team is never going to be good enough to compete. However, as UTSA continues to build they are going to have to draw in more local vendorship and endorsements.

Facilities are way behind. The Alamodome is great for the time being but as it ages we'll need a true OCS. Basketball arena and baseball "stadium" are lower tier. Like Southland conference quality.

Good news is some facilities have been built and others are on the way. It will just take time unless we get a Tillman Fertitta. That's why I think they're still at least a decade or two away. I mean tbf, UTSA was supposed to be FCS for like a decade before even moving up to FBS. Realignment over the past decade fast tracked everything and facilities still have a lot of catching up to do.



I didn't throw anything in, it's literally what he wrote. and you replied "100% in agreement"

He was talking about UH's football team.

FkLA
12-23-2023, 03:24 PM
:depressed

1738637313213686060

playblair
12-23-2023, 03:25 PM
tre moore commitex to texas........a cap student made it to the flagship.....something lebomb & ChumpDumper & FkLA couldnt do..............

ChumpDumper
12-23-2023, 03:30 PM
tre moore commitex to texas........a cap student made it to the flagship.....something lebomb & ChumpDumper & FkLA couldnt do..............

Oh I definitely qualified. Didn't even have to break a sweat on a playing field.:tu

Neo.
12-23-2023, 03:34 PM
If you want to relegate anybody that doesn't have a legit chance at championships that would be like 95% of FBS. What, you want like a 10 team subdivision full of just blue bloods? :lol

never said that. in fact you quoted exactly what i said down below. so im not sure where you get this from.


Besides the main reason for this is that the system is rigged and not bc a program like UTSA is inherently inferior.

is the issue that its rigged, or that putting 130 teams into a conference in which players can choose the program they want to attend (and would generally pick the programs with the most resources and are proven to give them the best chance at developing into a professional) is simply a poor idea?

this is why more subdivisions simply make more sense. it would be absurd to expect USFL teams to compete with the NFL, or AAA to compete with MLB. thats basically the difference in talent level we are talking about here, or even worse in some cases. i dont hold that against UTSA. i hold it against a system that is poorly designed.


I brought up UCF and you scoffed at them too. Perennial Top 25 with playoff appearances is very realistic for UCF in the near future.

not sure about that, but they deserve their chance. we will see. not a great start this year though by getting completely dominated in the b12, after being at or near the top of the AAC for the previous 6 seasons.

i think any teams that are able to win g5 conferences regularly should be given a fair opportunity to compete at a higher level. if they prove they can handle it, great. if they cant handle it, then they drop back down a subdivision, retool, and try again.


Ok, so like I said...what they have done is not the norm.

And those same things you listed are the same reasons UTSA has a much higher ceiling than programs that are actually uncompetitive.

never disagreed. you continue to think im crapping on utsa, but im not. im crapping on the system. i think its severely flawed.


He was talking about UH's football team.

and was comparing the situation to utsa. that their football team will likely never be good enough, but get a good enough basketball program and you can join a p5 conference.

FkLA
12-23-2023, 06:00 PM
never said that. in fact you quoted exactly what i said down below. so im not sure where you get this from.

is the issue that its rigged, or that putting 130 teams into a conference in which players can choose the program they want to attend (and would generally pick the programs with the most resources and are proven to give them the best chance at developing into a professional) is simply a poor idea?

A third of NFL players come from non-p5. You can develop into an NFL player anywhere.

But I generally agree with the rest. The system is fucked and on top of that rigged to keep the same elites at the top. NIL + immediate eligibility for transfers has basically turned it into who can money whip who.


this is why more subdivisions simply make more sense. it would be absurd to expect USFL teams to compete with the NFL, or AAA to compete with MLB. thats basically the difference in talent level we are talking about here, or even worse in some cases. i dont hold that against UTSA. i hold it against a system that is poorly designed.

Where do you draw the line though? Yeah, the difference between the national champ and the worst G5 is astronomical. But so is the difference between the national champ and a doormat P5.



not sure about that, but they deserve their chance. we will see. not a great start this year though by getting completely dominated in the b12, after being at or near the top of the AAC for the previous 6 seasons.

Takes a little bit of time dude. They're going from $7 mill/yr media deal in AAC to what like $25 mill/yr in the Big 12? They were Top 3 in recruiting their first year. Let those things work their magic. Wouldn't surprise me if they end up running the Big 12 eventually.


I think any teams that are able to win g5 conferences regularly should be given a fair opportunity to compete at a higher level. if they prove they can handle it, great. if they cant handle it, then they drop back down a subdivision, retool, and try again.

Fair but a pipe dream.


and was comparing the situation to utsa. that their football team will likely never be good enough, but get a good enough basketball program and you can join a p5 conference.

UCF got the invite because of their football program. Their bball isn't anything special. That's the best path for UTSA. UTSA Bball has way too long of a way to go to depend on it to help you reach P5.

I also think he's underselling UH football a bit. They were a G5 elite before they got called up and have made big investments in facilities. They were P5 worthy, imo. Their only issue is Houston has so many pro teams which makes them an afterthought a lot of the time.

djohn2oo8
12-23-2023, 06:05 PM
glad you see it
That was about University of Houston football, why they are in the Big 12 due to their BBall program and not football. I think it’s the opposite for UTSA. The football program is getting there but their basketball program isn’t. If it was they could be in a better conference. Basically, UTSA will need their other programs to step up to move along to a better conference.

pgardn
12-23-2023, 06:07 PM
Lol was tired of being a Sooner/Longhorn door mat. I'm glad they're gone

Honestly this makes the cfp possible for the Red Raiders. Easier conf & 12 teams. Any team that wins their “power” conf. go automatically. That’s the rule right now.

And really the Sooners controlled the Big 12. Twelve titles to five (for UT)

Neo.
12-23-2023, 06:51 PM
A third of NFL players come from non-p5.

is that true? id like to see proof of that.


You can develop into an NFL player anywhere.

never said otherwise. and if 2/3 of nfl players come from p5, then that quickly proves that schools that compete at the highest level of competition churn out more nfl players. not to mention what percentage of them are drafted, or drafted in the top rounds when they attend elite schools like alabama, ohio state, etc...


Where do you draw the line though? Yeah, the difference between the national champ and the worst G5 is astronomical. But so is the difference between the national champ and a doormat P5.

the difference between national championship level teams and very best p5 is usually quite big too. ex - 2021 cincy vs bama.

also its not uncommon that doormat p5s still dominate g5 schools. lets take vanderbilt for example, a well established cfb doormat in a p5 conference. over the past 10 years, they have been a lousy 36-83. yet their record against g5 schools is 14-5.

regardless, i dont think all current p5 schools should be in the top subdivision, if they were to ever adopt that model. i think 30-40 teams should be the max per subdivision, if they want to generate the most competition, and have a chance at a bit more parity.


Takes a little bit of time dude. They're going from $7 mill/yr media deal in AAC to what like $25 mill/yr in the Big 12? They were Top 3 in recruiting their first year. Let those things work their magic. Wouldn't surprise me if they end up running the Big 12 eventually.

it also wouldnt surprise me if they end up being doormats either. i really dont care either way, i just want to see more consistently competitive games in college football. the number of 30+ point blowouts that happen each week is just obnoxious.


UCF got the invite because of their football program. Their bball isn't anything special. That's the best path for UTSA. UTSA Bball has way too long of a way to go to depend on it to help you reach P5.

the basketball take wasnt mind, and i dont necessarily agree with it fully either.

i would agree utsas best chance is definitely through football. however i simply dont think they can ever compete consistently at the level of established programs like bama, ohio st, ou, tx, etc... and to expect them to do so isnt fair at all. again, its like expecting a 2A HS to compete with a 5A or 6A, the circumstances simply dont allow that to be the case (again, its not UTSAs fault, its just the truth of the situation, those programs have far more resources and history). which is why a lower subdivision would be best. then they can go and win championships and be recognized for their good work, on a more fair playing field. and perhaps work their way up to eventually being able to compete occasionally on a higher level. i think its better for the kids as well, to actually enter a season thinking they have a legit chance to compete for a championship. i think its dumb that 100 teams every year basically know that they have absolutely no chance at a championship, to have programs where freshmen coming in knowing that they will probably spend 4 years working their butt off, not make the nfl, and only win 2-3 games every season. at least give those kids some kind of chance to compete and achieve something reasonable (like a lower level championship). maybe im wrong, but thats my view on it.


I also think he's underselling UH football a bit. They were a G5 elite before they got called up and have made big investments in facilities. They were P5 worthy, imo. Their only issue is Houston has so many pro teams which makes them an afterthought a lot of the time.

i agree, i think their football team was solid enough to qualify them to be a lower level p5.

lebomb
12-23-2023, 06:52 PM
tre moore commitex to texas........a cap student made it to the flagship.....something lebomb & ChumpDumper & FkLA couldnt do..............

I qualified too. Finished top 10% of my class back in the day. I chose to stay home. Had a fantastic job and went to school full time. Also, I did not have to be a convicted felon to get my college degree. Congratulations bro.

playblair
12-24-2023, 06:02 PM
Oh I definitely qualified. Didn't even have to break a sweat on a playing field.:tu


I qualified too. Finished top 10% of my class back in the day. I chose to stay home. Had a fantastic job and went to school full time. Also, I did not have to be a convicted felon to get my college degree. Congratulations bro.

every utsa student who says they qualified for texas never has proof.......no one would willing chose to get a degree from a diploma mill commuter school over the flagship college of texas........

ChumpDumper
12-26-2023, 11:24 AM
every utsa student who says they qualified for texas never has proof.......no one would willing chose to get a degree from a diploma mill commuter school over the flagship college of texas........
You have no proof of your claim.

Neo.
12-26-2023, 04:09 PM
You have no proof of your claim.

you have no proof that he has no proof of his claim.

lebomb
12-27-2023, 12:21 PM
:claw

Its all good..........Happy New Year

lebomb
12-27-2023, 12:36 PM
every utsa student who says they qualified for texas never has proof.......no one would willing chose to get a degree from a diploma mill commuter school over the flagship college of texas........

Ok, you got me. I always wanted to be a Longhorn grad. I dreamt about it as a young lad. Approaching the end of my highschool days I applied 75 times to UT and was gracefully denied each and everytime. I hate it that my one and only dream of being a Longhorn NEVER materialized and actually I havent been able to eat or sleep in the last 20 years because of my failure as a human being not being able to walk the campus of Austin U. I guess I will just have to grab the jergens, walk to the nearest corner and smack my chicken to make myself feel better for a few fleeting moments. Goodbye.

:cry :depressed

Neo.
12-27-2023, 05:36 PM
Ok, you got me. I always wanted to be a Longhorn grad. I dreamt about it as a young lad. Approaching the end of my highschool days I applied 75 times to UT and was gracefully denied each and everytime. I hate it that my one and only dream of being a Longhorn NEVER materialized and actually I havent been able to eat or sleep in the last 20 years because of my failure as a human being not being able to walk the campus of Austin U. I guess I will just have to grab the jergens, walk to the nearest corner and smack my chicken to make myself feel better for a few fleeting moments. Goodbye.

:cry :depressed

you missed

DavidTheGoliath
03-13-2024, 10:32 PM
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FkLA
08-23-2024, 07:46 AM
Holy fuck, we about to run the Big 12 soon :cry

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playblair
08-23-2024, 10:18 PM
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FkLA (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17213) your coach is begging for nil in that article........san antonio is a metropolitan city why is utsa poor........

FkLA
08-24-2024, 10:42 PM
FkLA (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17213) your coach is begging for nil in that article........san antonio is a metropolitan city why is utsa poor........

stfu faggot

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FkLA
08-27-2024, 07:31 PM
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FkLA
08-31-2024, 12:51 PM
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Blake
08-31-2024, 03:23 PM
stfu faggot

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They'll be joining the Big10 in no time!

FkLA
08-31-2024, 08:37 PM
They'll be joining the Big10 in no time!

*Big 12

And they'll be Tech's daddy

Blake
09-07-2024, 04:22 PM
*Big 12

And they'll be Tech's daddy

How's it going today vs Texas St?

FkLA
09-07-2024, 09:19 PM
Worst loss in the Traylor era, there isn't even a close second tbh

lebomb
09-08-2024, 09:17 AM
How's it going today vs Texas St?

I can answer that. I called this game after last week. I said UTSA will lose their first game to TXST. I knew they were good and we were not. I saw so many things wrong with UTSA football. Too many penalties, poor offense, poor defense, QB questions, mentally not checked in to the game as a whole. So yeah, we got our arses handed to us 49-10. But, I am not shocked at all. I could see this coming a mile away. Hats off to TXST, the best G5 football team in Texas right now for sure.

lebomb
09-08-2024, 09:21 AM
Oh yeah, by the way Texas Tech is not good either.

Blake
09-08-2024, 01:17 PM
Oh yeah, by the way Texas Tech is not good either.

Yup no bragging here about being anyone's daddy

lebomb
09-08-2024, 03:26 PM
Yup no bragging here about being anyone's daddy


I definitely think that was a mistake. Don't eat the cheese, and stay humble. Brash statements always come back to bite you in the arse :claw

pgardn
09-13-2024, 08:59 PM
I can answer that. I called this game after last week. I said UTSA will lose their first game to TXST. I knew they were good and we were not. I saw so many things wrong with UTSA football. Too many penalties, poor offense, poor defense, QB questions, mentally not checked in to the game as a whole. So yeah, we got our arses handed to us 49-10. But, I am not shocked at all. I could see this coming a mile away. Hats off to TXST, the best G5 football team in Texas right now for sure.

UT site stated that UTSA losing their QB and star safety from last year really hurt because of leadership on and off the field.
Apparently they both helped Traylor a whole lot with the coaching aspect, staying disciplined, and making every work out count.
So not only very good players, but very important team leaders on both offense and defense. Traylor is still a valuable coach imo.
If he has a really bad season and no head coaching positions become available, I would love UT to swipe him as I think its possible we lose a very valuable assistant to a head coaching job.
Texas pays him more than he got as a head coach or something. I dont think you want to give up on him, heard way too many good things.

FkLA
09-13-2024, 10:55 PM
UT site stated that UTSA losing their QB and star safety from last year really hurt because of leadership on and off the field.
Apparently they both helped Traylor a whole lot with the coaching aspect, staying disciplined, and making every work out count.
So not only very good players, but very important team leaders on both offense and defense. Traylor is still a valuable coach imo.
If he has a really bad season and no head coaching positions become available, I would love UT to swipe him as I think its possible we lose a very valuable assistant to a head coaching job.
Texas pays him more than he got as a head coach or something. I dont think you want to give up on him, heard way too many good things.

Don't think Traylor would ever leave a HC position for an assistant position. Still vividly remember him saying "I was meant to sit in that chair" (referring to HC) during his introductory press conference.

lebomb
09-13-2024, 11:01 PM
UT site stated that UTSA losing their QB and star safety from last year really hurt because of leadership on and off the field.
Apparently they both helped Traylor a whole lot with the coaching aspect, staying disciplined, and making every work out count.
So not only very good players, but very important team leaders on both offense and defense. Traylor is still a valuable coach imo.
If he has a really bad season and no head coaching positions become available, I would love UT to swipe him as I think its possible we lose a very valuable assistant to a head coaching job.
Texas pays him more than he got as a head coach or something. I dont think you want to give up on him, heard way too many good things.


Traylor makes 2.5mil a year at UTSA. Not chump change thats for sure. :claw

pgardn
09-13-2024, 11:22 PM
Traylor makes 2.5mil a year at UTSA. Not chump change thats for sure. :claw

Yep.

For right now anyway.
CFB is in a state of flux and very popular with prices for everything going up.
Anyways, I would take his way with the players and his coaching style. Player’s coach.

DMX7
09-14-2024, 12:43 PM
Don't think Traylor would ever leave a HC position for an assistant position. Still vividly remember him saying "I was meant to sit in that chair" (referring to HC) during his introductory press conference.

There's no way he would leave for an assistant position unless maybe it was an NFL offensive coordinator or something like that.

This is the first time at UTSA he is coaching without Harris, so we see if it was Harris who really made the program click or if Traylor can do it without him.

Would UTSA consider the PAC-12 if invited? I'm not sure they would even want it though.

Neo.
09-14-2024, 04:00 PM
lol choderunners

LakerHater
09-14-2024, 07:01 PM
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FkLA
09-15-2024, 09:54 PM
There's no way he would leave for an assistant position unless maybe it was an NFL offensive coordinator or something like that.

This is the first time at UTSA he is coaching without Harris, so we see if it was Harris who really made the program click or if Traylor can do it without him.

Would UTSA consider the PAC-12 if invited? I'm not sure they would even want it though.

I think they'd have to if invited. The rest of the top brands in the American (Memphis, Tulane, USF) would probably go too so we'd essentially be back in CUSA if we chose to stay behind.

Blake
09-16-2024, 02:47 PM
Traylor makes 2.5mil a year at UTSA. Not chump change thats for sure. :claw

For a college coach yeah it kinda is. If he had not turned down Tech he'd be making McGuire money at $4.1 mill...... which ranks 45 in head coach salaries...

lebomb
09-17-2024, 07:45 PM
For a college coach yeah it kinda is. If he had not turned down Tech he'd be making McGuire money at $4.1 mill...... which ranks 45 in head coach salaries...

To live in Saytown on 2.5 mil a year?

pgardn
09-17-2024, 07:54 PM
It’s possible a number of head coaching positions equal or pass NFL coaching positions in salary. Head coaching has become a huge job in college. One of the toughest things about coaching in the NFL is having to deal with your general manager. Head coaches in college are hiring their general managers.

Blake
09-18-2024, 11:11 AM
To live in Saytown on 2.5 mil a year?

Make it $1 million!

DMX7
09-18-2024, 09:40 PM
I think they'd have to if invited. The rest of the top brands in the American (Memphis, Tulane, USF) would probably go too so we'd essentially be back in CUSA if we chose to stay behind.

Those schools and UTSA and UNLV are being "linked" to Pac-12 expansion according to some credible sources. But I think you're right. They have to try to get in the Pac-12 if those teams go.

FkLA
09-19-2024, 10:53 PM
Those schools and UTSA and UNLV are being "linked" to Pac-12 expansion according to some credible sources. But I think you're right. They have to try to get in the Pac-12 if those teams go.

Yeah, and I feel like Traylor would've been a little more subdued with his answer if they planned on being in the AAC long term.

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DMX7
09-21-2024, 08:09 AM
Yeah, and I feel like Traylor would've been a little more subdued with his answer if they planned on being in the AAC long term.

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Wow, I'm surprised he said as much as he said TBH. It would be a nice upgrade for UTSA even though it's obviously not the Pac-12 of old. Money will play a big factor in however this plays out.

ChumpDumper
09-29-2024, 04:27 PM
Oh man, what a weirdly dumb possibility. Maybe it could work with the right mix of a lot of teams from the MWC and AAC where you could have east and west divisions and ALL the service academies. It's all deckchairs on the Titanic, though. Eventually all the teams that get left out/kicked out of the B1G and SEC can just reorganize into another G4-8 based on regions and maybe have one team get into their 16-team playoff or else take the five figure payout from the SAS Shoes Cleburne Bowl.

chubbs
08-10-2025, 09:56 AM
rememba det time fkla and lebomb thought utsa would beat texas, then they proceeded to get curbstomped by hudson card? :lmao

lebomb
10-10-2025, 12:58 PM
rememba det time fkla and lebomb thought utsa would beat texas, then they proceeded to get curbstomped by hudson card? :lmao

Sorry chubbs, I never, ever, ever said that. Maybe fkla, but not lebomb.