2024 NBA Draft Thread

[mo7888]

Rougher 3rd. Trying to do to much and there's no spacing... He's only had 1 shot attempt I've seen where it was an attempted assist... everything he's had to create for himself or get rebounds to put back.

My biggest beef with Buzelis is that he was dumb enough to play with Ignite.. it's not the be-all end-all, but it is something..

[Mr. Body]

You'd be hard-pressed to convince me the Ignite have a coach. Maybe some single father of three rolling in from the office saying "Go have fun out there, boys" and sitting down with a bag of chips. Except they're not having fun. This is dire. Imagine playing crap ball in front of twenty people instead of entering hardcore conference play against pounding arenas with systems that are teaching you how to play. Ignite is a disaster.

[mo7888]

You'd be hard-pressed to convince me the Ignite have a coach. Maybe some single father of three rolling in from the office saying "Go have fun out there, boys" and sitting down with a bag of chips. Except they're not having fun. This is dire. Imagine playing crap ball in front of twenty people instead of entering hardcore conference play against pounding arenas with systems that are teaching you how to play. Ignite is a disaster.

Yup... I've coached a few years on the high school level and my teams looked more structured than this... its like daycare for kids that didn't want to go to class in college..

[mo7888]

16 pts 13 rebs

[Ariel]

You'd be hard-pressed to convince me the Ignite have a coach. Maybe some single father of three rolling in from the office saying "Go have fun out there, boys" and sitting down with a bag of chips. Except they're not having fun. This is dire. Imagine playing crap ball in front of twenty people instead of entering hardcore conference play against pounding arenas with systems that are teaching you how to play. Ignite is a disaster.
Yup, it's just a bad concept from the ground up, a bunch of overlapping talents, no structure, no coaching, no development, no pressure... I remember people arguing last year for Ignite over College, at this point it's ridiculous. I'd take US college, Australian NBL, any decent league in Europe, comfortably over the G-League Ignite. It's just wasting their time and instilling bad habits.

[Chomag]

To me it doesn't look like there is going to be another NBA star in the draft anytime soon, but there might be a surprise or 2 if lucky. Wemby needs another star (not a borderline or roll player) with him and I'm just not seeing that need found in this draft.

[mo7888]

To me it doesn't look like there is going to be another NBA star in the draft anytime soon, but there might be a surprise or 2 if lucky. Wemby needs another star (not a borderline or roll player) with him and I'm just not seeing that need found in this draft.

Potentially, there are a few, but the problem is their floors are quite low too..

[scott]

Did Holland play in this game? How did he/has he look/looked?

[mo7888]

Did Holland play in this game? How did he/has he look/looked?

No, he sat out last noght and tonight. I'm not sure why

[BackHome]

Trying to protect that draft status?

[Mr. Body]

Yup, it's just a bad concept from the ground up, a bunch of overlapping talents, no structure, no coaching, no development, no pressure... I remember people arguing last year for Ignite over College, at this point it's ridiculous. I'd take US college, Australian NBL, any decent league in Europe, comfortably over the G-League Ignite. It's just wasting their time and instilling bad habits.

Yet the NBA is gonna push it down our throats. Just look at how they're bringing these sub-par Ignite talents into the All-Star weekend. Ridiculous.

[baseline bum]

16 pts 13 rebs

How high would you take Buzelis? I can't stomach the thought of spending a pick on a G-League Ignite player if any of Risacher / Williams / Dillingham / Sheppard or even Topic is still on the board. Not after seeing Jalen Green and Scoot coming into the league so wholly unprepared.

[mo7888]

How high would you take Buzelis? I can't stomach the thought of spending a pick on a G-League Ignite player if any of Risacher / Williams / Dillingham / Sheppard or even Topic is still on the board. Not after seeing Jalen Green and Scoot coming into the league so wholly unprepared.

I've got him in my 2nd tier.... 1st tier is Risacher, Sarr, and Topic... my 2nd tier is larger, encompassing about 6 guys... overall he's #6 on my board. Looking at similar players (6'8" + guys at the 3/4) he's behind Risacher, Salaun, and Williams but ahead of Holland and Dunn on my board...

[Dejounte]

I've got him in my 2nd tier.... 1st tier is Risacher, Sarr, and Topic... my 2nd tier is larger, encompassing about 6 guys... overall he's #6 on my board. Looking at similar players (6'8" + guys at the 3/4) he's behind Risacher, Salaun, and Williams but ahead of Holland and Dunn on my board...

Why Are You So High On Risacher? God Damn This Draft Is So Bad. Risacher Feels Like The Time When Spurs Fans Were All Over Vassell And Thought He Would Become Paul George Or Kawhi And I Was The Most Skeptic About His Upside And Pointed Out All His Flaws And Those Same Flaws Are Appearing Now Yet Spurs Fans Are Surprised.

[mo7888]

Why Are You So High On Risacher? God Damn This Draft Is So Bad. Risacher Feels Like The Time When Spurs Fans Were All Over Vassell And Thought He Would Become Paul George Or Kawhi And I Was The Most Skeptic About His Upside And Pointed Out All His Flaws And Those Same Flaws Are Appearing Now Yet Spurs Fans Are Surprised.

It is a tough draft for sure. I've got Risacher at the top of my board and alot of it is weighing ceilings vs floors. There just aren't any high ceiling-high floor guys in this draft. Risacher is the closet we have there and really it's because his floor is high. At worst, i see him as a consistent outside threat that will be a plus defender in today's defensive schemes. In a normal year that doesn't put you at the top, but this year the floors are so low it kinda does. There are a few guys that are moving up that i still need to see more from. Topic, obviously, with the injury and Cody Williams as we get towards the end of the season. JaKobe is a guy I'm liking a little better than i thought earlier in the season, but he's not necessarily a position of need.

Going back to Buzelis for a minute, he does intrigue me, I'll admit. He's got a lot of tools and really reminds me of a very young Franz Wagner. I'm just not sold yet, though. The ignite things makes it so hard to tell because it almost isn't basketball that they're playing. His vision is excellent, good handles and can pass with either hand, and is a willing rebounder. So i like those things, but to fit next to Sochan he needs to be at least an average catch and shoot guy. Can he do that at this level? I have no idea because nobody drives and kicks out to him consistently. You can find some on his highlight reels, but when you watch the game, it's rare because he plays with a bunch of chuckers.

So where I'm at, there are a few guys I like, but nobody I love just yet.

[Ariel]

I've got him in my 2nd tier.... 1st tier is Risacher, Sarr, and Topic... my 2nd tier is larger, encompassing about 6 guys... overall he's #6 on my board. Looking at similar players (6'8" + guys at the 3/4) he's behind Risacher, Salaun, and Williams but ahead of Holland and Dunn on my board...
I've got: tier 1: Sarr, tier 2: Dillingham, Topic, Cody Williams, Buzelis (I buy his talent, but his lack of speed and shooting are concerning)
Not as confident as other drafts since most guys I have watched only clips, Dillingham is the one I'm more confident on what he does and does not do, but other than that I might just consider trading out if none of those is available

[mo7888]

I've got: tier 1: Sarr, tier 2: Dillingham, Topic, Cody Williams, Buzelis (I buy his talent, but his lack of speed and shooting are concerning)
Not as confident as other drafts since most guys I have watched only clips, Dillingham is the one I'm more confident on what he does and does not do, but other than that I might just consider trading out if none of those is available
Tier 1:
1. Zaccharie Risacher
2. Alex Sarr
3. Nikola Topic*
Tier 2:
4. Tidjane Salaun
5. Cody Williams
6. Matas Buzelis
7. JaKobe Walter
8. Robert Dillingham
Tier 3:
9. Stephen Castle
10. Reed Shephard

* Topic is still at #3 because that's where he was prior to the injury. He's a little more fluid, but I'm not moving him up or down until i see how he comes back. I don't feel rushed, just looking at the field.

[Mr. Body]

My strategy... eh... One concern is how the rookie salary scales and whether we wind up paying a top 3 salary to a guy who doesn't deserve it.

Right now, I don't believe in Topic or Risacher that much. As for Sarr, I'm baffled how he's projected that high. Seems like a massive mistake where the lack of an alpha has shoved him there to his enormous benefit. Even if he's a good shotblocker, that's not worth top salary. Is he Evan Mobley? No, I don't think he's Evan Mobley.

So, I'd rather draft #4-6, really, or trade down, although that's unlikely. I go back and forth about wanting that Toronto pick. We have so many holes, but this class is overall hideous. If we get, say, #5 and #7, we're paying combined only about $1,000,000 more than the top pick gets himself.

My tactic at this point is taking a guard with the first pick and then clean up with the best SF available with the second. Not sure why. If Dillingham keeps pouring in points, I think he goes up the board. So it's Topic or Dillingham with the first pick. With the second pick, I have massive questions about all the wings, every single one. I can easily see Williams and Buzelis not ever being any good.

Topic I think will be a starter. One with deficiencies, but sure. Dillingham intrigues due to covering massive problems with scoring, but I'm increasingly less convinced in his size and defense, which is lousy.

At this point, it depends on Risacher. I haven't seen more than clips and I already have doubts. Can he keep shooting this way? Why doesn't he rebound? Is his defense actually that good?

Eh. I feel like this is a draft where later, better teams are going to get good pieces here or there but the bad teams will be stuck with expensive role-players at best.

[rascal]

To me it doesn't look like there is going to be another NBA star in the draft anytime soon, but there might be a surprise or 2 if lucky. Wemby needs another star (not a borderline or roll player) with him and I'm just not seeing that need found in this draft.

Every draft has a star or many future all stars.

The Spurs will have a high enough pick and if they are good at drafting they will identify who will be the future star.

[TrainOfThought5]

I've got him in my 2nd tier.... 1st tier is Risacher, Sarr, and Topic... my 2nd tier is larger, encompassing about 6 guys... overall he's #6 on my board. Looking at similar players (6'8" + guys at the 3/4) he's behind Risacher, Salaun, and Williams but ahead of Holland and Dunn on my board...

Topic struggles with shooting and defense, our two biggest needs. Why do you have him rated so high?

[mo7888]

Topic struggles with shooting and defense, our two biggest needs. Why do you have him rated so high?

Because he looked great before he moved up to Euro. Court vision, change of pace, all look next level Doncic like. I don't think his shot is broken at all. I do agree that D is the main issue. I think that will be mitigated with a 3D SF, so a Topic, Devin, 3D, Sochan, Wemby unit should be fine on that end.

Also, this board isn't a BB for the Spurs, it's for overall talent, which is why you look at the tiers. For instance in Tier 2, you've got Cody Williams and Dillingham with Cody being higher. So if you're using it with a Spurs mindset, you decide if you need a PG or a big wing more. It doesn't matter who's higher in that particular tier because they're basically equal. So at that point, you draft for need within the tier.

[exstatic]

Topic struggles with shooting and defense, our two biggest needs. Why do you have him rated so high?

He creates and gets to the rim easily in a Euro game that is more physical and provides less spacing than the NBA. IMO, our #1 need is a facilitator to create for Wemby without needing a high volume of shots.

[TrainOfThought5]

He creates and gets to the rim easily in a Euro game that is more physical and provides less spacing than the NBA. IMO, our #1 need is a facilitator to create for Wemby without needing a high volume of shots.

topic will not help space the floor. Nor will he apply pressure on defenses with better athletes. Dillingham will do both.

we don’t need more guards that can’t shoot the three

[szkorhetz]

topic will not help space the floor. Nor will he apply pressure on defenses with better athletes. Dillingham will do both.

we don’t need more guards that can’t shoot the three
......and Dilingham won't create for others.

You want an early career Kidd type of player with less defense or an early career Iverson with much better shooting for Wemby?

[Mr. Body]

I don't have much doubt Topic will pressure the rim. He's fast. Maybe not Parker fast, but he's fast. He'll actually pressure the rim much more than Dillingham, who is too slight of build to be a threat there. Dillingham is pretty bad at the rim. Also Dillingham is more quick in movements than overall fast.

People keep making this mistake in saying Topic is unathletic or below the rim when speed is athleticism and most guards are below the rim.

[JPB]

You'd be hard-pressed to convince me the Ignite have a coach. Maybe some single father of three rolling in from the office saying "Go have fun out there, boys" and sitting down with a bag of chips. Except they're not having fun. This is dire. Imagine playing crap ball in front of twenty people instead of entering hardcore conference play against pounding arenas with systems that are teaching you how to play. Ignite is a disaster.

Not even arguing the point, but for the record Ignite went 1-1 both last year vs. Wemby's mets ( no Scoot on the second lost game) and this year vs. Sarr's PERTH WILDCATS. While it's been decades international teams stopped even playing US College teams for lack of competititvity.

Again, not discussing the best environment for development, which is a different topic, but that's still notable as far as "organised BB" is concerned.

[Mr. Body]

Not even arguing the point, but for the record Ignite went 1-1 both last year vs. Wemby's mets ( no Scoot on the second lost game) and this year vs. Sarr's PERTH WILDCATS. While it's been decades international teams stopped even playing US College teams for lack of competititvity.

Again, not discussing the best environment for development, which is a different topic, but that's still notable as far as "organised BB" is concerned.

What does that mean? They won glorified exhibitions early in the year? Scrimmages?

[RC_Drunkford]

Well he’ll have to be elite at that at the next level with what looks to be a negative wingspan (and being 6ft). But JJ Redick was able to make it was a T-Rex arms largely because of shooting off movement.

his lack of size is my main issue with him. His shooting and elite handles make him an intriguing fit though if his game translates.

Topic on the other hand reminds of Manu passing wise, he just knows how to make the right reads and seems to get to the rim with ease. He's also pretty big for a PG if his measurements are accurate. The main flaw with him is shooting and his lack of an in between game. Even if he becomes a good catch-and-shoot player, which I think he will, he won't be able to make those shots off the bounce.

[exstatic]

topic will not help space the floor. Nor will he apply pressure on defenses with better athletes. Dillingham will do both.

we don’t need more guards that can’t shoot the three

His magic gift isn’t floor spacing, it’s not needing it to get where he needs to go.

Oh,and his FT shooting is superb at 85.5% at Mega, a VERY strong shooting signal.

[scott]

PG who can pressure the rim but won’t space the floor as a shooter… don’t we have that guy starting at PG already?

And Tre is actually a decent defender (and our defensive stats have improved significantly since he moved into the SL and Wemby went to C).

[BackHome]

Tre is a backup at best not saying Topic is my pick but I understand in this draft every one has things they need to work on. As exstatic mentioned he is a great FT as his percentage shows and your betting his 3 ball will only get better as he gets a little older as he is quite young.

[TrainOfThought5]

......and Dilingham won't create for others.

You want an early career Kidd type of player with less defense or an early career Iverson with much better shooting for Wemby?

Dillingham is going to be a certified star in this league, with Damian Lillard like Upside…. The same player that Fans here were clamoring for us to trade for.

[TrainOfThought5]

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His magic gift isn’t floor spacing, it’s not needing it to get where he needs to go.

Oh,and his FT shooting is superb at 85.5% at Mega, a VERY strong shooting signal.

he won’t find it that easy against NBA level athletes. Annointing him as Luka Jr., is foolish and HIGHLY unlikely (not you but others on this board). And he hasn’t had Lukas level success in Europe to even make that projection. Topic’s projection is Vaporware at this point as far as I’m concerned.

You know what’s better than shooting signals? ACTUAL SHOTMAKING. We need shooting from our guards now, not possibly three years from now, if we’re lucky.

[LeBowen]

You know what’s better than shooting signals? ACTUAL SHOTMAKING. We need shooting from our guards now, not three years from now.

Exactly.
Devin is the only solid shooter who's going to be on the roster the next season. And even he's at pedestrian 36%.

I've got no clue if Dillingham is the real deal, but if we draft someone who's guaranteed to be a good shot maker in the league, worst case scenario we get ourselves some solid bench scoring.
Drafting point guards that can't shoot in 2024 is way too risky. Especially if they're also bad defenders.

[TrainOfThought5]

I don't have much doubt Topic will pressure the rim. He's fast. Maybe not Parker fast, but he's fast. He'll actually pressure the rim much more than Dillingham, who is too slight of build to be a threat there. Dillingham is pretty bad at the rim. Also Dillingham is more quick in movements than overall fast.

People keep making this mistake in saying Topic is unathletic or below the rim when speed is athleticism and most guards are below the rim.

sigh. In the NBA if you can’t shoot they’re going to overguard against the drive. In the 2024 NBA guards have to be able to shoot to open up the rest of their games as creators. The days of Ben Simmons and Rajon Rondos and Ricky Rubio’s are over.

[Mr. Body]

sigh. In the NBA if you can’t shoot they’re going to overguard against the drive. In the 2024 NBA guards have to be able to shoot to open up the rest of their games as creators. The days of Ben Simmons and Rajon Rondos and Ricky Rubio’s are over.

Sigh. Players who can't shoot get into the lane all the time. I guess you don't watch the Spurs because Tre Jones is there like ten times a game. Sigh. Sigh. Sigh.

[TrainOfThought5]

Sigh. Players who can't shoot get into the lane all the time. I guess you don't watch the Spurs because Tre Jones is there like ten times a game. Sigh. Sigh. Sigh.

Are we talking about the same Tre Jones that everyone on this board, and this franchise is currently trying to replace with someone better, and the main thing they’re trying to upgrade is his scoring? That Tre Jones? I think you’re making my point, for me.

youre so entrenched in the wrong opinion that you’re defending Tre Jones. Sure he’s better than Point Sochan, but he’s so far away from the answer that we desperately tanking to get his replacement. Don’t be disappointed when we draft A better shooting version of Tony Parker with draft pick.

[Mr. Body]

Are we talking about the same Tre Jones that everyone on this board, and this franchise is currently trying to replace with someone better, and the main thing they’re trying to upgrade is his scoring? That Tre Jones? I think you’re making my point, for me.

youre so entrenched in the wrong opinion that you’re defending Tre Jones. Sure he’s better than Point Sochan, but he’s so far away from the answer that we desperately tanking to get his replacement. Don’t be disappointed when we draft A better shooting version of Tony Parker with draft pick.

Stop moving the goal posts, sigh. Sigh. Sigh. We're talking about players able to get to the rim. Sigh. Sigh. Tre Jones can't shoot and he gets there all the time. Sigh. Sigh. Just accept your argument is crap. Sigh. Sigh. And move along. Sigh. Sigh.

[Frenchfred]

Dillingham is going to be a certified star in this league, with Damian Lillard like Upside…. The same player that Fans here were clamoring for us to trade for.

then we need to find defenders because Vassel is not good, Dillingham would be bad, Sochan I’m not sure. As of now, only Wemby is a good defender.

[duncan2150]

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he won’t find it that easy against NBA level athletes. Annointing him as Luka Jr., is foolish and HIGHLY unlikely (not you but others on this board). And he hasn’t had Lukas level success in Europe to even make that projection. Topic’s projection is Vaporware at this point as far as I’m concerned.

You know what’s better than shooting signals? ACTUAL SHOTMAKING. We need shooting from our guards now, not possibly three years from now, if we’re lucky.

So Dillingham will be Lillard and Topic will be bad for sure from outside. With respect, having definitive takes about prospects is probably the worst thing during the draft process.

[RC_Drunkford]

Mr Body is always in love with point guards who can’t shoot. His favorite in the last draft was Anthony Black. And piss, he seems to like piss

[Mr. Body]

Mr Body is always in love with point guards who can’t shoot. His favorite in the last draft was Anthony Black. And piss, he seems to like piss

Lol, no, it was the perpetual whiners who couldn't enjoy a single victory without pissing in a communal jug and all slurping from it. You know that.

[rascal]

Johnny Davis had a good FT% in college and it didn't translate into better shooting in the NBA. Not a sure thing Topic will be a good 3 pt shooter because of his high FT%.

If you want a good 3 pt. shooter then better to get one who already is showing signs he's a good shooter. If you want a shooter then Dillingham is the player.

[Dejounte]

Any Worst Case For Any Player Is Scary. Dillingham Can Very Likely Become The Next Devonte Graham Or Patty Mills… While A Useful Player, I Would Hate That.

At The Same Time I Would Hate A McDermott Outcome From Risacher Too.

Or A Samanic Outcome From Matas.

Or A Udrih Outcome From Topic.

Or A Lonnie Walker Outcome From Jakobe Walter

This Draft Fucking Sucks

[BackHome]

The issue with Dilly is he is not even close to being 6’3 - I am thinking he is probably 6’0 without shoes and to go with his slim build of 175 pds - I just think he is going to get killed on the defensive side and will not be playable in playoff games. I just can’t see us using a top 4 pick on a very good bench player now if we decide to go with a SF with our first pick and manage to get the Raptors pick then I would consider him.

[TrainOfThought5]

then we need to find defenders because Vassel is not good, Dillingham would be bad, Sochan I’m not sure. As of now, only Wemby is a good defender.

Tony Parker was never a good defender but we had Tim Duncan behind him. Where we really need defense is at the SF position.

[rascal]

The question is do you like Dillingham enough and believe in his shooting to compensate for lack of size and other weaknesses in his game.

I don't

[CGD]

Johnny Davis had a good FT% in college and it didn't translate into better shooting in the NBA. Not a sure thing Topic will be a good 3 pt shooter because of his high FT%.

If you want a good 3 pt. shooter then better to get one who already is showing signs he's a good shooter. If you want a shooter then Dillingham is the player.

Davis was also a rising college senior when he was drafted, not 18.

[CGD]

his lack of size is my main issue with him. His shooting and elite handles make him an intriguing fit though if his game translates.

Topic on the other hand reminds of Manu passing wise, he just knows how to make the right reads and seems to get to the rim with ease. He's also pretty big for a PG if his measurements are accurate. The main flaw with him is shooting and his lack of an in between game. Even if he becomes a good catch-and-shoot player, which I think he will, he won't be able to make those shots off the bounce.

I don’t really get the Dillingham fascination. We’ll see his measurements at the combine, but he is tiny with a tiny wingspan. We’re not talking about quickley or maxey here who were UK guards on the shorter side, but with massive wingspans that allowed them to get shots up more comfortably against size. Topic is the clear and shoulders top PG prospect, which isn’t saying much unfortunately.

[Knoxxx]

Nobody has destroyed me yet for suggesting that I may like Sochan better at SF than PF.

Sochan is more of a small ball PF to me, he’s a little lacking in height for the PF position. When we play him at the 4 and Keldon at the 3, we are really lacking height. Throw in the short for their positions Jones and Vassell, and we wonder why we get creamed on the glass night after night.

The reason I bring this up again is because of how it changes our priorities. Many are lusting after our next “long 3” at SF, when PG and PF/C are the bigger glaring needs to me.

[CGD]

Nobody has destroyed me yet for suggesting that I may like Sochan better at SF than PF.

Sochan is more of a small ball PF to me, he’s a little lacking in height for the PF position. When we play him at the 4 and Keldon at the 3, we are really lacking height. Throw in the short for their positions Jones and Vassell, and we wonder why we get creamed on the glass night after night.

The reason I bring this up again is because of how it changes our priorities. Many are lusting after our next “long 3” at SF, when PG and PF/C are the bigger glaring needs to me.

I dont think people really disagree with you. I for one think a player in the mold of Jarabi Smith Jr. is who would be perfect up front with Sochan and Wemby: a floor spacer who plays good D and doesnt really need the ball much. Its a bet on Wemby and (to a less extent) Sochan's future playmaking ability at their respective positions.

Rasachire would appear to fit the mold the best, followed by probably Matas tbh.

[CorrectCrusader]

I dont think people really disagree with you. I for one think a player in the mold of Jarabi Smith Jr. is who would be perfect up front with Sochan and Wemby: a floor spacer who plays good D and doesnt really need the ball much. Its a bet on Wemby and (to a less extent) Sochan's future playmaking ability at their respective positions.

Rasachire would appear to fit the mold the best, followed by probably Matas tbh.

Risacher is exactly this mold

[Ariel]

I dont think people really disagree with you. I for one think a player in the mold of Jarabi Smith Jr. is who would be perfect up front with Sochan and Wemby: a floor spacer who plays good D and doesnt really need the ball much. Its a bet on Wemby and (to a less extent) Sochan's future playmaking ability at their respective positions.

Rasachire would appear to fit the mold the best, followed by probably Matas tbh.
Risacher seems less athletic and weaker physically, I don't know that his frame will allow him to fill up as I think Cody Willliams can. If you're convinced he can play good defense at the NBA level, then you take him for sure. I'm not sold on him, but I'm going by a few clips I've seen here and there, so take it with a grain of salt.

[CGD]

Messing around with Tankathon and their algorithm seems to consistently have the spurs’ top 5 as:

Topic
Risacher
Shepard (barf)
Holland
Matas

[Dejounte]

Risacher is exactly this mold

Risacher’s Level On Perimeter Defense Is So Far Off From Jabari’s It’s Not Even Funny. Watch A Minute Of His Film. He Can’t Even Stay In Front Of Faster Players

[scott]

I used to think that our best bet was to have the TOR pick convey this year as a bird in the hand, but the more I read about this class the less interested I am and I’d rather the pick not convey or for us to trade it. I don’t really want the #7-10 pick on this team, nor do I really want the #1-6 pick either. I’d prefer to just trade out completely.

Would be interested in finding our way in to the 20s to add Filipkowski though.

[Mr. Body]

It's a junky lottery for sure, but it's a bad draft curse: if you don't want the picks, who else would? This is why I don't want to draft high and stuck with a high salary slot mediocre player. I do want one prospect though.

Filipowski I think will go top 10 or 12.

[TheGreatYacht]

Anyone that picks Topic over Dillingham is either a dumbass or a racist troll.

It’s going to sound like Gaza every game a Topic-Sochan-Wemby trio plays. “Oh but Sochan has improved his 3p shooting” that November linsanity run for him behind the arc is over. That percentage is dropping every week and it will continue to do so. He will never be a good shooter. He’s 36/113 (31.8%) from three outside of November.

[Ditty]

Well from one dumbass to another, I would still choose Topic over Dillingham :bobo

[TheGreatYacht]

Mr Body is always in love with point guards who can’t shoot. His favorite in the last draft was Anthony Black. And piss, he seems to like piss
Anthony Black :lmao

Dont forget the retards on this forum willing to mortgage Keldon and picks for Amen Thompson :rollin

Something about players that can’t shoot gets these bastards going like some Viagra. Idk why that is.

[Big Empty]

Anthony Black :lmao

Dont forget the retards on this forum willing to mortgage Keldon and picks for Amen Thompson :rollin

Something about players that can’t shoot gets these bastards going like some Viagra. Idk why that is.one thng i noticed about anthony black, i had good seats to that gsme, he’s as hairy as teen wolf but without the game he looked slow & lethargic. Thank God we didnt trade up for him

[DAF86]

Anthony Black :lmao

Dont forget the retards on this forum willing to mortgage Keldon and picks for Amen Thompson :rollin

Something about players that can’t shoot gets these bastards going like some Viagra. Idk why that is.

:lol For real. I blame Kawhi for it. They think it is easy to just turn a bad college shooter into an elite NBA one, without realizing that for every guy that fixes his shot, there are tens of players that couldn't make it past their rookie contracts.

[JPB]

Damnit, I even forgot about Anthony Black and some ST posters love affair with the kid because "court vision!!"...

Keldon + 2FRPs to trade up for Anthony Black was a thing here.

Oomph!

[JPB]

Anthony Black :lmao

Dont forget the retards on this forum willing to mortgage Keldon and picks for Amen Thompson :rollin

Something about players that can’t shoot gets these bastards going like some Viagra. Idk why that is.

This and the way some people are always buying the hype and getting overexcited about unproven kids with a lot of flaws who have played zero NBA games...because "potential"... Every year, it's the same. and the reason why the draft will always remain an uncertain exercise, expect for Wembys or Lebrons and why fundamentally sound, high BBIQ players with a feel for the game (with a minimum of atheticism) will always have my preference. You can't teach that and you can buld around.

Look at the career a guy like Batum had, not the flashiest name in his draft, but you could see the player he became (and already was) at 18. No wonder spurs wanted him.

[Mr. Body]

Damnit, I even forgot about Anthony Black and some ST posters love affair with the kid because "court vision!!"...

Keldon + 2FRPs to trade up for Anthony Black was a thing here.

Oomph!

I mean he's a rookie, but I never backed a package like that.

My take was always that after Wemby and Scoot I didn't like anybody. I thought the Thompsons had big issues and wanted to trade down if we got those picks. I didn't think the top ten was as strong as advertised. Black looks strong at the things he's strong at, defense and knowing how to move the ball. It took Suggs a while to develop for them, too.

[rascal]

I mean he's a rookie, but I never backed a package like that.

My take was always that after Wemby and Scoot I didn't like anybody. I thought the Thompsons had big issues and wanted to trade down if we got those picks. I didn't think the top ten was as strong as advertised. Black looks strong at the things he's strong at, defense and knowing how to move the ball. It took Suggs a while to develop for them, too.

You liked Black more than Scoot.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I wasn't either way on Black, but to say he wasn't worth the pick because he hasn't shown it yet it ludicrous. Many here is saying (rightfully so) that we don't need to draft a point guard because it takes so long for new point guards to learn the NBA game, but are now saying 45 games into his career that Black was a bust as the number 6 pick. If that is still the case in Feb 2026, maybe then. Perfect example is Kuminga. Until the last 20 games it seemed like he was a bust. The light finally went on and I am certain it would take a king's ransom to pry him away from GS now.

[spurraider21]

I still like Anthony Black a lot. Defensively he’s already good. Offensively he’s in a pretty poor situation where he’s asked to play off ball a lot which isn’t his strength at all. Between Suggs/Fultz/Anthony they already have 3 ball handling guards ahead of him in the rotation and then Wagner operates as their hub and Paolo isos up as well.

Point guard is usually the toughest position for rookies. It’s not like Bufkin is tearing it up and he was the best shooting pg in the draft. Scoot has had his struggles to say the least. Amen. JHS.

Cason is doing well but he was always a good enough shooter to play off ball and his biggest question mark was his penetration and creation but he’s not asked to do that in OKC so his situation is pretty nifty for him.

black is a nice passer and with his size has access to passing angles that many guards don’t. Hed have great potential to throw short range lobs, entry passes to beat a fronting defender, etc.

[rascal]

I liked Scoot and JHS more than Black. JHS can't get into the Lakers rotation and is shooting poorly in limited opportunity.

[rascal]

Mr Body sold Spurstalk on Black last year

[mo7888]

I had Black #12 on my board right behind Bufkin.

[Ariel]

You liked Black more than Scoot.
Haven't really paid all that much attention to Orlando, but they have a logjam in the backcourt, and looking at their stats, he's shooting 49.7% overall and 38.1% from 3 (granted, on low volume). Scoot has sucked major balls, most of his numbers have come from garbage time at horrendous efficiency. I would gladly take Black on the Spurs if Orlando were inclined to move him.

[Mr. Body]

I liked Scoot and JHS more than Black. JHS can't get into the Lakers rotation and is shooting poorly in limited opportunity.

JHS is awful. Negative BPM in college, just a terrible pick.

[Mr. Body]

I liked Scoot and JHS more than Black. JHS can't get into the Lakers rotation and is shooting poorly in limited opportunity.

I always said I'd take Scoot at 2 but wouldn't be happy about it. I always liked Black but said I didn't want him as high as top five or whatever and acknowledged bad shooting that may never get fixed and lack of fit next to Sochan. Determining anything at this point is as stupid as the people saying Branham or Wesley are awful at this point. It's just lame and idiotic especially how raw every player is who comes into the league nowadays.

[spurraider21]

JHS was much more of a project than the others, but if you squinted you could see some special things from him as well

[RC_Drunkford]

Nobody has destroyed me yet for suggesting that I may like Sochan better at SF than PF.

Sochan is more of a small ball PF to me, he’s a little lacking in height for the PF position. When we play him at the 4 and Keldon at the 3, we are really lacking height. Throw in the short for their positions Jones and Vassell, and we wonder why we get creamed on the glass night after night.

The reason I bring this up again is because of how it changes our priorities. Many are lusting after our next “long 3” at SF, when PG and PF/C are the bigger glaring needs to me.

Sochan can play both forward positions. His main strength is foot speed. I'd actually prefer a lengthier forward next to him. There's really not much of a difference between PF and SF today. Most teams play with 2 SFs.

[Mr. Body]

JHS was much more of a project than the others, but if you squinted you could see some special things from him as well

Good size and defense, pretty good pick and roll.

The problem with a player like that is that he never gets reps to develop. This is an element that goes under-realized when thinking about prospects and what happens to them. A guy like JHS developing for another year with an offense geared to get him play situations over and over in college could have done wonders for him at Indiana. Of course he went for the money, which is good for him. In the pros, that player isn't going to get the court time. G-League often can't do it, and NBA teams don't even have practices throughout the year, so the guy is just cooling his heels and doing shoot-arounds. A couple years later and he hasn't gone further.

[rascal]

Haven't really paid all that much attention to Orlando, but they have a logjam in the backcourt, and looking at their stats, he's shooting 49.7% overall and 38.1% from 3 (granted, on low volume). Scoot has sucked major balls, most of his numbers have come from garbage time at horrendous efficiency. I would gladly take Black on the Spurs if Orlando were inclined to move him.

Scoot is better than Black. Scoot dropped 30 a couple of nights ago in Denver and his numbers are coming up. Still inconsistent like all the rookies outside of Wemby.

[RC_Drunkford]

I wasn't either way on Black, but to say he wasn't worth the pick because he hasn't shown it yet it ludicrous. Many here is saying (rightfully so) that we don't need to draft a point guard because it takes so long for new point guards to learn the NBA game, but are now saying 45 games into his career that Black was a bust as the number 6 pick. If that is still the case in Feb 2026, maybe then. Perfect example is Kuminga. Until the last 20 games it seemed like he was a bust. The light finally went on and I am certain it would take a king's ransom to pry him away from GS now.

people here are generally too impatient when it comes to rookies. You evaluate a rookie in his 3rd season, not his first. That's where the first big leap has to come.

[spurraider21]

Good size and defense, pretty good pick and roll.

The problem with a player like that is that he never gets reps to develop. This is an element that goes under-realized when thinking about prospects and what happens to them. A guy like JHS developing for another year with an offense geared to get him play situations over and over in college could have done wonders for him at Indiana. Of course he went for the money, which is good for him. In the pros, that player isn't going to get the court time. G-League often can't do it, and NBA teams don't even have practices throughout the year, so the guy is just cooling his heels and doing shoot-arounds. A couple years later and he hasn't gone further.
you need a good gleague affiliate that is being adequately coached. its what helped derrick white.

[Ariel]

Scoot is better than Black. Scoot dropped 30 a couple of nights ago in Denver and his numbers are coming up. Still inconsistent like all the rookies outside of Wemby.
He better be, he was the no. 3 overall pick. So far, Scoot has been horrendous, he's putting empty stats and being horribly inefficient. Most his numbers come in garbage time. He can turn it around, but it seems highly hypocritical to harp on Sochan and Black while giving a pass to Sharpe and Scoot who have left a lot to be desired in many areas.

[Mr. Body]

you need a good gleague affiliate that is being adequately coached. its what helped derrick white.

Thing with White, though, is that he had a lot of experience already running teams and learning the basics of basketball, so he had a foundation. Imo the G-League doesn't help players who don't have much foundation. JHS doesn't have that, although Indiana is a decent program and he has a start.

[Ariel]

people here are generally too impatient when it comes to rookies. You evaluate a rookie in his 3rd season, not his first. That's where the first big leap has to come.
It's true that you can't pass final judgement on a rookie by his first season, but that's not to say no conclusions can be drawn. If you are horrendous and show no signs of improvements on any areas, I don't think a team should have to be stuck for 3 years before moving on. Developing a young guy has a const of opportunity attached in that you're passing on other opportunities, at least you should be able to see progress, like Wesley who still isn't an NBA player but has improved a hell of a lot compared to last year.

[rascal]

He better be, he was the no. 3 overall pick. So far, Scoot has been horrendous, he's putting empty stats and being horribly inefficient. Most his numbers come in garbage time. He can turn it around, but it seems highly hypocritical to harp on Sochan and Black while giving a pass to Sharpe and Scoot who have left a lot to be desired on many areas.

I like Sharpe and Scoot more than Sochan and Black. You like who you like.
You say Scoot has empty stats, Sochan has empty stats on one of the worst teams in the league and Black hardly plays at all.

Scoot and Sharpe are not only more fun to watch with more athleticism but have higher upside potential. Higher potential, that's why they were higher draft picks. Portland likes those guys over Sochan and Black.

[rascal]

Both Scoot and Sharpe have dealt with injuries this year which slowed progress.

[exstatic]

Good size and defense, pretty good pick and roll.

The problem with a player like that is that he never gets reps to develop. This is an element that goes under-realized when thinking about prospects and what happens to them. A guy like JHS developing for another year with an offense geared to get him play situations over and over in college could have done wonders for him at Indiana. Of course he went for the money, which is good for him. In the pros, that player isn't going to get the court time. G-League often can't do it, and NBA teams don't even have practices throughout the year, so the guy is just cooling his heels and doing shoot-arounds. A couple years later and he hasn't gone further.

Not to mention that it’s the fucking Lakers, where young players go to die, or be traded away.

[spurraider21]

Not to mention that it’s the fucking Lakers, where young players go to die, or be traded away.
ages 26 and below

Ingram
Zubac
Caruso
Lonzo (rip injuries, but good player)
Kuzma
Reaves

a decent among of young guys came up w/ the lakers tbh

[Mr. Body]

ages 26 and below

Ingram
Zubac
Caruso
Lonzo (rip injuries, but good player)
Kuzma
Reaves

a decent among of young guys came up w/ the lakers tbh

"or be traded away"

[exstatic]

ages 26 and below

Ingram
Zubac
Caruso
Lonzo (rip injuries, but good player)
Kuzma
Reaves

a decent among of young guys came up w/ the lakers tbh
Did you see the part about being traded away in the post you quoted? There are all stars that were drafted by the Lakers, slow rolled, then traded to BECOME all stars elsewhere.

[spurraider21]

Did you see the part about being traded away in the post you quoted? There are all stars that were drafted by the Lakers, slow rolled, then traded to BECOME all stars elsewhere.
most of these guys became solid players during their time with the lakers. your point was the the lakers are an awful spot for a young guy like JHS to come along

[exstatic]

most of these guys became solid players during their time with the lakers. your point was the the lakers are an awful spot for a young guy like JHS to come along

None of them were any better than our current crop while with the Lakers. I standby my assertion. The worst place in the world for a NBA project is with a contender or a team falling out of that status but refusing to acknowledge that fact. They don’t get reps, and therefore don’t develop.

[spurraider21]

None of them were any better than our current crop while with the Lakers. I standby my assertion. The worst place in the world for a NBA project is with a contender or a team falling out of that status but refusing to acknowledge that fact. They don’t get reps, and therefore don’t develop.
do you even spurs?

[Mr. Body]

do you even spurs?

The team that has developed multiple very late first round draft picks into career NBA players at worst?

ST is hilariously abysmal in recognizing what their team is and does.

[JPB]

I'll admit that giving up on Black after half a season is not fair and a half sarcasm. The kid may end up pas a valuble player but I don't see him as better than a decent role player, a la Kyle Anderson he's similar too (minus the fat head). He just needs the right environment (and get rid of that doormat on his head). Kyle was lucky to end up with the spurs.

[Russ]

High Ceiling -- Nikola Topic and Alexandre Sarr

High Floor -- Zaccharie Risacher and Matas Buzelis.

The Spurs are still at the point where they need to go high ceiling (this may be the last year they're at that point).

Topic looks like a potential difference-maker, a straw that stirs as we might put it. The naysayer argument has failed in the past with guys like Topic. "He won't be able to get to the basket like that against NBA defenders." They said that about Ginobili, Doncic, etc. The truth is, if you have that gift, that intuitive knack, it persists regardless of what level you play at. It just does. Topic is exactly the type of player the Spurs need.

Sarr also has a high ceiling and is very underrated on this board. Granted, he has some bust factor as does virtually any big not named Victor. But Sarr looks different than Wiseman or Ayton or most of the other bigs that weren't transformative. First, he's aggressive and engaged at all times -- most bigs are not. He's light on his feet, he bounces, his motor is a constant. He's a good, instinctive, energetic defender (at the very least). On offense, he looks like he might, might have some KG in him. That would be a home run. I'd take the chance if Topic is gone.

The high floor guys are also interesting. Risacher looks like a Jabari Smith/Brandon Miller type -- a tall outside shooter who can occasionally charge the basket. Problem is, like Smith and Miller, Risacher hasn't got the moves once he gets close to the hoop. He's moving in a straight line with no ability to amend on the fly. A good player but with limited upside.

Buzelis has his appeal too. Another Franz Wagner is what the good version of him looks like. The Spurs could definitely use a player like him in a couple of years. But right now they need someone that might have a higher upside.

The college guys (mostly offensive guards) are also interesting. Haven't really looked into them enough at this point. But with a 1-5 draft pick, you probably need to go with a bit more size.

These potential high-end picks all have a lot to show us in the next few moths. It will be interesting.

[alfahdlan]

Sheppard now has 53 steals in 22 games if he somehow³get to 80 would you give him a shot should Toronto pick gets down?

[DAF86]

High Ceiling -- Nikola Topic and Alexandre Sarr

High Floor -- Zaccharie Risacher and Matas Buzelis.

The Spurs are still at the point where they need to go high ceiling (this may be the last year they're at that point).

Topic looks like a potential difference-maker, a straw that stirs as we might put it. The naysayer argument has failed in the past with guys like Topic. "He won't be able to get to the basket like that against NBA defenders." They said that about Ginobili, Doncic, etc. The truth is, if you have that gift, that intuitive knack, it persists regardless of what level you play at. It just does. Topic is exactly the type of player the Spurs need.

Sarr also has a high ceiling and is very underrated on this board. Granted, he has some bust factor as does virtually any big not named Victor. But Sarr looks different than Wiseman or Ayton or most of the other bigs that weren't transformative. First, he's aggressive and engaged at all times -- most bigs are not. He's light on his feet, he bounces, his motor is a constant. He's a good, instinctive, energetic defender (at the very least). On offense, he looks like he might, might have some KG in him. That would be a home run. I'd take the chance if Topic is gone.

The high floor guys are also interesting. Risacher looks like a Jabari Smith/Brandon Miller type -- a tall outside shooter who can occasionally charge the basket. Problem is, like Smith and Miller, Risacher hasn't got the moves once he gets close to the hoop. He's moving in a straight line with no ability to amend on the fly. A good player but with limited upside.

Buzelis has his appeal too. Another Franz Wagner is what the good version of him looks like. The Spurs could definitely use a player like him in a couple of years. But right now they need someone that might have a higher upside.

The college guys (mostly offensive guards) are also interesting. Haven't really looked into them enough at this point. But with a 1-5 draft pick, you probably need to go with a bit more size.

These potential high-end picks all have a lot to show us in the next few moths. It will be interesting.

Buzelis could easily endup a Samanic 2.0, I'm not sure he's a high floor guy, tbh. He does qualify as a high ceiling guy, imho.

[Ariel]

Sheppard now has 53 steals in 22 games if he somehow³get to 80 would you give him a shot should Toronto pick gets down?
He's very smart, moves his feet well and has very active hands, all of which help him on defense at the College level but I don't think it will work quite as well against bigger, better athletes in the NBA. The main problem I have with Sheppard is that he can hardly beat anyone off the dribble and I don't see him as a lead guard long term, which is what the Spurs need and why he's behind Dillingham and Topic as far as pont guards go in my board. He can be a nice piece for the right team, but I'd take Sarr, Dillingham, Topic, Cody Williams, Buzelis easily before him.

[Ariel]

Buzelis could easily endup a Samanic 2.0, I'm not sure he's a high floor guy, tbh. He does qualify as a high ceiling guy, imho.
Yeah, and he's also not explosive, but in a class where every prospect seems to have more holes than a swiss cheese, he's still a top 10 pick just based on upside.

[Mr. Body]

Watched UK game.

Reed Sheppard.
Prepared for the Spurs to take a hard look... weird player, would never guess his efficiency is that high or how impactful he is just by watching him play, although his hands are extremely good. He hits threes at a very high percentage, picks up steals, gets blocks, but isn't a good man-to-man defender... very good defending the break or help side. Starts, but when Dillingham is in, Dilly runs the offense. I suppose because Reed is a good spot-up shooter. Like, I'd be happy to have him, he'd keep mistakes down and make plays, but he doesn't pass the eye test as great or seems like he's more than a good role-playing college player. To me it seems his efficiency is in these narrow categories where he does extremely well but isn't the big impact guy you want in the lottery.

Rob Dillingham
Dude's been on fire lately, his confidence sky high and has the green light... still, a very willing passer, great processing of the floor, absolutely not selfish but takes his shots... weak at the rim due to size but puts pressure there, should get better... threw a lot of accurate lobs... doesn't shy from contact... shifty handles, very quick with advanced space-making moves that will definitely work in the League. Makes a lot of mistakes on defense like not knowing switches. I've seen him blow baseline plays where a big screens down on his man, he hesitates, then runs to cover his man on the perimeter leaving a bad dunk. To me, though, this is coaching. He's coming from Overtime Elite and still needs work, but seems very coachable. Pulled Ivisic aside when he was down on a foul, shows some leadership.

[Ariel]

Starts, but when Dillingham is in, Dilly runs the offense. I suppose because Reed is a good spot-up shooter.
He's not nearly as explosive nor the ball handler Dillingham is, he can't beat anyone off the dribble, he's a great passer (extremely smart and accurate) but would work better off ball. He'd be a great shooting guard if he was 4 inches taller. I'd like him next to a taller lead guard, like Lamelo in Charlotte or Cade in Detroit, that could work.

[Mr. Body]

To me, my target is 100% Dillingham. I don't care about some defensive issues. The guy knows how to play and is only getting coached now. Like I said, he was OTE last year and Donda Academy before, so flashier shit, but he's completely different now, plays within the system. I think a lot of the defensive shit can be taught. Clearly size is an issue and he's slow-footed man-to-man, but maybe that can be worked on.

But the guy is fearless and not even streaky. Like, he'll hit threes in a row and then not get a look until later and hit that one, too. Mostly I like his demeanor. In interviews he says he likes to watch film. He's my guy even if he's always a bench guy, which he's used to right now. I just don't know if the team wants a player like him. His usage is high and questions about whether it scales down. Questions of whether he can play a system. Defense will be a problem but he works hard there and his positioning can be improved.

Ultimately... this draft sucks so much, I want to clear the table and see if I can get a one or two players who can possibly be plus players in the future. I'm unsure about nearly everyone mentioned in the top 10-15 so far.

I'm more certain about Dillingham's potential and, fuck it, right now I'm saying Ryan Dunn.

[alfahdlan]

He's very smart, moves his feet well and has very active hands, all of which help him on defense at the College level but I don't think it will work quite as well against bigger, better athletes in the NBA. The main problem I have with Sheppard is that he can hardly beat anyone off the dribble and I don't see him as a lead guard long term, which is what the Spurs need and why he's behind Dillingham and Topic as far as pont guards go in my board. He can be a nice piece for the right team, but I'd take Sarr, Dillingham, Topic, Cody Williams, Buzelis easily before him.

Rondo has 87 steals in UK went on with 4 all-NBA defense team honors.

[Ariel]

Rondo has 87 steals in UK went on with 4 all-NBA defense team honors.
Rondo has better lateral quickness and a ridiculous 6'9" wingspan, I'd be surprised if Sheppard's wingspan is over 6'2"/6'4". Completely different ballpark in terms of physical tools.

[alfahdlan]

Rondo has better lateral quickness and a ridiculous 6'9" wingspan, I'd be surprised if Sheppard's wingspan is over 6'2"/6'4". Completely different ballpark in terms of physical tools.

Thanks. I'm just concerned. I got John Stockton vibes on him. Who is 6'1" with 6'0" wingspan. I can be wrong.

[scott]

I’d like to see the Spurs take advantage of how FRPs get overvalued and just try to move this year’s pick for a young guy still on his rookie deal who is impressing or the Spurs had a high scouting report on. Would Indiana send us Jarace Walker for pick #7? Orlando for Black? If we are pick #4, how does that change things? Will Detroit take #4 for Ivey?

Maybe, maybe not… but this are the kind of things I’d explore with our pick if a bigger deal isn’t materializing.

[Mr. Body]

I’d like to see the Spurs take advantage of how FRPs get overvalued and just try to move this year’s pick for a young guy still on his rookie deal who is impressing or the Spurs had a high scouting report on. Would Indiana send us Jarace Walker for pick #7? Orlando for Black? If we are pick #4, how does that change things? Will Detroit take #4 for Ivey?

Maybe, maybe not… but this are the kind of things I’d explore with our pick if a bigger deal isn’t materializing.

Absolutely none of those are happening.

[scott]

The team that has developed multiple very late first round draft picks into career NBA players at worst?

ST is hilariously abysmal in recognizing what their team is and does.

That’s precisely spurraider21’s point. Exstatic claimed “The worst place in the world for a NBA project is with a contender” to which SR21 is pointing out that the the Spurs (contenders at the time multiple projects developed not only into career NBA players, but HOFers) dispel that notion.

ST may in fact be hilariously abysmal in recognizing what their team is and does… but only as hilariously abysmal as your reading comprehension. Both slightly less disturbing that your fantasies of guzzling hot loads of piss. Your reading problems are sad. The fetishes are weird. Not sure which one you should seek help for first.

[onechance87]

if dill keeps this up,We may have to take a serious look at taking him.,Seems very bad at d.So gonna see
how consistent he is at offense.Last thing is we need is another inconsistent shooter.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Rondo has better lateral quickness and a ridiculous 6'9" wingspan, I'd be surprised if Sheppard's wingspan is over 6'2"/6'4". Completely different ballpark in terms of physical tools.

He might not be Rondo. But there are other successful prototypes in the past. In terms of shooting - the 6'4'' but 6'3'' wingspan JJ Redick.. more recently, 6'4'' but 6'3'' wingspan Tyler Herro.. and of course the greatest shooter of all time -Steph Curry, 6'2'' and 6'4''. In terms of defense: Kyle Lowry, 6'0''; 6'2'' wingspan, Fred Van Vleet - 6'0, 6'2'' wingspan.. In terms of slightly taller players who are very good defenders without bigger wingspans - we have Alex Caruso - 6'5'', 6'6'' wingspan and Jimmy Butler - 6'6', 6'7''.

I dont think the Spurs should just go by physical measurements *alone* to judge Sheppard's worth if he is available at No 7/8th pick. Feel for the game, active hands, good shooting are all useful attributes and he seems to excel in all these three aspects as a freshman.

[Dejounte]

He might not be Rondo. But there are other successful prototypes in the past. In terms of shooting - the 6'4'' but 6'3'' wingspan JJ Redick.. more recently, 6'4'' but 6'3'' wingspan Tyler Herro.. and of course the greatest shooter of all time -Steph Curry, 6'2'' and 6'4''. In terms of defense: Kyle Lowry, 6'0''; 6'2'' wingspan, Fred Van Vleet - 6'0, 6'2'' wingspan.. In terms of slightly taller players who are very good defenders without bigger wingspans - we have Alex Caruso - 6'5'', 6'6'' wingspan and Jimmy Butler - 6'6', 6'7''.

I dont think the Spurs should just go by physical measurements *alone* to judge Sheppard's worth if he is available at No 7/8th pick. Feel for the game, active hands, good shooting are all useful attributes and he seems to excel in all these three aspects as a freshman.

Desmond Bane May Be The Prime Example Of This

[exstatic]

Rondo has 87 steals in UK went on with 4 all-NBA defense team honors.

Rondo also had like a huge wingspan.

[CorrectCrusader]

I’d like to see the Spurs take advantage of how FRPs get overvalued and just try to move this year’s pick for a young guy still on his rookie deal who is impressing or the Spurs had a high scouting report on. Would Indiana send us Jarace Walker for pick #7? Orlando for Black? If we are pick #4, how does that change things? Will Detroit take #4 for Ivey?

Maybe, maybe not… but this are the kind of things I’d explore with our pick if a bigger deal isn’t materializing.

The problem is that FRP aren't really getting overvalued right now. Since most of the picks are owned by a few teams (one being the spurs, and ofc OKC) they aren't worth nearly as much because teams know we're unwilling to have that many rookies.

[mo7888]

Watched UK game.

Reed Sheppard.
Prepared for the Spurs to take a hard look... weird player, would never guess his efficiency is that high or how impactful he is just by watching him play, although his hands are extremely good. He hits threes at a very high percentage, picks up steals, gets blocks, but isn't a good man-to-man defender... very good defending the break or help side. Starts, but when Dillingham is in, Dilly runs the offense. I suppose because Reed is a good spot-up shooter. Like, I'd be happy to have him, he'd keep mistakes down and make plays, but he doesn't pass the eye test as great or seems like he's more than a good role-playing college player. To me it seems his efficiency is in these narrow categories where he does extremely well but isn't the big impact guy you want in the lottery.

Rob Dillingham
Dude's been on fire lately, his confidence sky high and has the green light... still, a very willing passer, great processing of the floor, absolutely not selfish but takes his shots... weak at the rim due to size but puts pressure there, should get better... threw a lot of accurate lobs... doesn't shy from contact... shifty handles, very quick with advanced space-making moves that will definitely work in the League. Makes a lot of mistakes on defense like not knowing switches. I've seen him blow baseline plays where a big screens down on his man, he hesitates, then runs to cover his man on the perimeter leaving a bad dunk. To me, though, this is coaching. He's coming from Overtime Elite and still needs work, but seems very coachable. Pulled Ivisic aside when he was down on a foul, shows some leadership.

They are kind of the poster childs for

High Floor

High ceiling

At least as it relates to this draft..

[TD 21]

The Spurs "floor" odds with the natural pick should improve post trade deadline . . .

Trail Blazers: Probably out of reach anyway, but basically remained status quo by not trading Grant or Brogdon.

Hornets: Hayward was mostly injured and Washington Jr. is overrated and close to a wash with Williams, so just adding four additional, if minimal NBA players in Micic, Mann and if retained, Curry and Bertans, to a team more bereft of those than any other should slightly upgrade them.

Wizards: Replacing Gafford with Holmes should slightly downgrade them, but not nearly as much as if they had traded some combination of Kuzma, Jones and Wright.

Pistons: Replacing Bogdanovic, Burks, Morris and Hayes with Grimes, Fontecchio, Sasser (rotation) and probably Fournier balances the rotation better, which probably slightly upgrade them.

[SOMA Spur]

Wondering if Dalton Knecht should be our target with our first pick. Is that crazy? SF - 3 level scorer. Gives a shit on defense (says thats why he transferred to Tennessee to improve on that side of the ball). Bouncy athlete, strong. Can drive and finish with both hands. Has put up some crazy numbers recently, pretty consistent. Even on his off days, he's scoring 16+ and his team is kicking the shit out of top competition (Kentucky). Seems like a Spursy kind of pick, with his story of rising up through Jucos (reminds me of White). If there's ever a Jaime Jaquez kind of pick this year, it's this guy. He just cracked No Ceilings top 10 at #10. How high could he go? Spurs at #3?

[Mr. Body]

Wondering if Dalton Knecht should be our target with our first pick. Is that crazy? SF - 3 level scorer. Gives a shit on defense (says thats why he transferred to Tennessee to improve on that side of the ball). Bouncy athlete, strong. Can drive and finish with both hands. Has put up some crazy numbers recently, pretty consistent. Even on his off days, he's scoring 16+ and his team is kicking the shit out of top competition (Kentucky). Seems like a Spursy kind of pick, with his story of rising up through Jucos (reminds me of White). If there's ever a Jaime Jaquez kind of pick this year, it's this guy. He just cracked No Ceilings top 10 at #10. How high could he go? Spurs at #3?

I've been coming to like him a ton. Despite his advanced age, I see him as clearly a lottery pick and, in this draft, definitely a top 10 guy - agreeing with No Ceilings. I don't think he'll go top 5. Feel like his age is an impermeable barrier where teams want upside. But I absolutely have him on my list if the Raptors pick comes our way. Absolutely. His age/experience may even help, since he's past the 'learning how to dribble a basketball' stage, unlike our recent picks.

[onechance87]

Wondering if Dalton Knecht should be our target with our first pick. Is that crazy? SF - 3 level scorer. Gives a shit on defense (says thats why he transferred to Tennessee to improve on that side of the ball). Bouncy athlete, strong. Can drive and finish with both hands. Has put up some crazy numbers recently, pretty consistent. Even on his off days, he's scoring 16+ and his team is kicking the shit out of top competition (Kentucky). Seems like a Spursy kind of pick, with his story of rising up through Jucos (reminds me of White). If there's ever a Jaime Jaquez kind of pick this year, it's this guy. He just cracked No Ceilings top 10 at #10. How high could he go? Spurs at #3?

wont be mad at that..Man makes shit happen with offense.Kinda like luka,You dont know whats
he gonna do and breaks down the opponents d.Would be an a immediate upgrade over champ and
maybe even keldon.

[Mr. Body]

It's crazy. A generation ago, a player his age wouldn't cause any problems. All top picks were seasoned college guys or from elsewhere, with some high school guys sprinkled in. Now, teams only want raw materials. Players even reclassify to get to the draft faster in order to get that bag, but it takes years for most of them to start panning out. Dalton Knecht is old style. He learned the game in JuCo and then a weaker NCAA program before going nuclear this year for Tennessee. He's carrying their offense, which can get stagnant, and is a massive competitor in tight games. He's fast, strong, uses his body well. And, as mentioned above, he doesn't slack on defense entirely. He's legitimately everything you want. He's just old for a rookie nowadays. Ancient, even.

[spurraider21]

i'd be very reluctant to draft a non-shooter with either pick, and especially so if we only get 1 pick. you'd have to be very convinced that the guy you are taking (whether its Topic, Castle, or Collier, or otherwise) is really that special where you just want him regardless of the shooting

this team absolutely needs shooting. and i dont mean having glass cannon types like mcnuggets. we need our core rotation players to be able to shoot. once again, we are the worst shooting team in the league. to put it into perspective, the Pelicans have the best 3pt defense in the league this year, allowing only 34.4% to opponents. the spurs for the season are shooting 34.1%

the only rotation players right now shooting higher than 35% are champagnie, osman, and vassell

im also mad at myself for temporarily believing in sochan :lol... early in the season i was brushing off his % as a small sample size, because his shot still looked pretty busted, and his % came back down to earth in december. then for much of january he started hitting them again and i thought ok, whatever his shot looks like, its falling, and the sample size isnt as alarming anymore. now he's crashing and burning again. consistently inconsistent does not a good shooter make

[spurraider21]

also yeah, Knecht is pretty fascinating. these days theres a stigma about NOT being a 1-and-done, almost like it means something has to be wrong with them

but he's been flying up draft boards and looks pretty NBA ready. dude is strong and contact doesnt seem to phase him. his athleticism is like the reverse of blake wesley :lol... wesley has that tony parker thing where he's lightning fast on the ground but not nearly as explosive vertically. knecht is a great leaper but not blazingly fast, not that he needs to be for his style of play.

[exstatic]

I distrust fifth year seniors who come out of nowhere. Their success can be attributed to being 23 or even 24, playing against 18 year olds.

[CGD]

SI’s latest (post trade deadline) mock: https://www.si.com/nba/draft/mock-drafts-and-big-boards/2024-nba-mock-draft-projections-following-nba-trade-deadline

Has us taking Cody and Matas

[Dejounte]

Spurs-centric Big Board (accounts for needs)
Tier 1
-Collier
-Topic
-Dillingham

Tier 2
-Buzelis
-Cody

Tier 3
-Risacher
-Holland

Tier 4
-Reed
-Walter

…everybody else

[ginobilized]

I would not be mad at Cody and Buzelis. Two solid wing prospects would really help.

[ginobilized]

SI’s latest (post trade deadline) mock: https://www.si.com/nba/draft/mock-drafts-and-big-boards/2024-nba-mock-draft-projections-following-nba-trade-deadline

Has us taking Cody and Matas

I would not be mad at that. Two solid wing prospects would really help.

[mo7888]

SI’s latest (post trade deadline) mock: https://www.si.com/nba/draft/mock-drafts-and-big-boards/2024-nba-mock-draft-projections-following-nba-trade-deadline

Has us taking Cody and Matas

I wouldn't be mad with that.... 2 of Risacher, Cody, and Matas would be about as good as we could realistically hope for... definitely increases the odds of hitting on a sf/pf combo guy..

[Ariel]

He might not be Rondo. But there are other successful prototypes in the past. In terms of shooting - the 6'4'' but 6'3'' wingspan JJ Redick.. more recently, 6'4'' but 6'3'' wingspan Tyler Herro.. and of course the greatest shooter of all time -Steph Curry, 6'2'' and 6'4''. In terms of defense: Kyle Lowry, 6'0''; 6'2'' wingspan, Fred Van Vleet - 6'0, 6'2'' wingspan.. In terms of slightly taller players who are very good defenders without bigger wingspans - we have Alex Caruso - 6'5'', 6'6'' wingspan and Jimmy Butler - 6'6', 6'7''.

I dont think the Spurs should just go by physical measurements *alone* to judge Sheppard's worth if he is available at No 7/8th pick. Feel for the game, active hands, good shooting are all useful attributes and he seems to excel in all these three aspects as a freshman.
I'm not saying he can't be a successful NBA player, I'm saying it's unlikely he'll be anywhere near as impactful on defense at the NBA level as some suggest going by advanced stats at the college level.
As for the comparisons you list, neither JJ Redick or Herro are known for being defensive aces. Caruso and Jimmy are so much bigger and stronger, better athletes, not an appropriate comparison in terms of physical tools. Lowry and Van Vleet might be closer, but again I think both are built completely different, much sturdier. But they're more of an outlier than the norm. I don't think it's unreasonable to project Sheppard as an adequate defender, but I don't see him being ELITE on that end given his physical limitations.

Also, I'm skeptic about his ability to be a lead guard and initiate offense at the NBA level because he's not fast enough or good enough of a ball handler, but I can absolutely picture him having a long career as a role playing off ball shooter, but I don't think that's what the Spurs need. He'd be great in Charlotte, New Orleans, Detroit, Memphis, and many other teams though. I just prefer a different type of player for the Spurs (like Dillingham or Topic).

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1756325284054179956

[LeBowen]

Interesting.
Can't say I know much about any of the prospects, but what are the odds of PATFO trading up to get a player they really want?
Let's say we get the 3rd pick and Toronto's pick is 7th, would trading two picks to get Risacher be worth it?

If we're in for a wing, it would be the best if Wizards won the lottery, they really need a point guard.
If we're in for a point guard, then we got nothing to worry about. Pistons, Hornets and Blazers aren't picking another PG.

[BatManu20]

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[SOMA Spur]

Interesting.
Can't say I know much about any of the prospects, but what are the odds of PATFO trading up to get a player they really want?
Let's say we get the 3rd pick and Toronto's pick is 7th, would trading two picks to get Risacher be worth it?

If we're in for a wing, it would be the best if Wizards won the lottery, they really need a point guard.
If we're in for a point guard, then we got nothing to worry about. Pistons, Hornets and Blazers aren't picking another PG.

At #3 and #7 definitely don't trade up. The key to this draft will hopefully be grabbing TWO pieces in the top 8. At #3 if Zac is gone, select Cody. If he's gone, pivot and select your PG (Dilly) and see which SF is available at #7 (currently I like Knecht, and have Buzelis as my second choice).

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Likely won’t go in the lottery cause that’s good way to get fired as a GM but he’s definitely 1st Round worthy imo.

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[mo7888]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1756325284054179956

I've had him #1 for a while ahead of Sarr. To me he's the best player in this draft..

[itzsoweezee]

Likely won’t go in the lottery cause that’s good way to get fired as a GM but he’s definitely 1st Round worthy imo.

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Hilarious how every single highlight here shows him within 5 feet of the rim. Absolutely no “versatility stepping outside of the paint”.

[Ariel]

Interesting.
Can't say I know much about any of the prospects, but what are the odds of PATFO trading up to get a player they really want?
Let's say we get the 3rd pick and Toronto's pick is 7th, would trading two picks to get Risacher be worth it?

If we're in for a wing, it would be the best if Wizards won the lottery, they really need a point guard.
If we're in for a point guard, then we got nothing to worry about. Pistons, Hornets and Blazers aren't picking another PG.
In principle, I'm not opposed to trading up/down as teams see fit, pre-draft order shouldn't be considered as set in stone, if you can improve your chances of getting the results you want you should absolutely do that (like Dallas moving down and still getting Dirk + assets, or moving up to pick up Luka). With that said, I don't know that this is the class for it. There is so much uncertainty with just about every prospect in the top 10 that you could see a scenario where they flourish as easily as one where they flame out. In that context, the best strategy is probably just taking two bites at the apple, unless circumstances change and/or the FO feels really confident about some guy (which is perfectly possible since they have a hell of a lot more resources than we do)-

[Ariel]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1756325284054179956
Risacher's passing looks really nice in that clip, better than I'd seen him.

[BatManu20]

Risacher's passing looks really nice in that clip, better than I'd seen him.

He’s definitely improved as a passer since the beginning of the season and really overall his beginning to show more as a playmaker. He’s not just the 3&D guy he was being projected as. Still only 18 years old, lots of room for growth there. Could easily see him going #1 overall.

[JPB]

Wemby put aside, The lottery (at least, the top 6-7) this year could end actually more interesting than last year's. Much more hype last year, with Wemby, Scoot and the Twins, but seems like you could find some nice, fundementally sound, productive players this year. Don't know about the ceiling but looks like the overall floor is higher this year...

[JPB]

He’s definitely improved as a passer since the beginning of the season and really overall his beginning to show more as a playmaker. He’s not just the 3&D guy he was being projected as. Still only 18 years old, lots of room for growth there. Could easily see him going #1 overall.


Yeah, BBIQ is everything there. The rest should come along.

[Ariel]

Any online suggestions to catch some of Risacher's games (live)?

[mo7888]

I see hes moved Matas Buzelis up to #6 as well.

[baseline bum]

SI’s latest (post trade deadline) mock: https://www.si.com/nba/draft/mock-drafts-and-big-boards/2024-nba-mock-draft-projections-following-nba-trade-deadline

Has us taking Cody and Matas

Buzelis over Dillingham is nuts

[JPB]

Any online suggestions to catch some of Risacher's games (live)?

there's actually LNB games (french league) live right now, but Risacher's team's is playing tomorrow vs. ASVEL (TP's team) at 4:30PM in france. I don't know where you are, but that's 10:30 ET (Washington) in America if I'm correct (-6)... Just find as website that makes conversions from one city to another (Paris to whatever), there's only one time in France

you can catch the game on a site like that:

https://livesport24.net/

just need to enable you VPN to access the site, then click on basketball in the top tab.The game will appear in the list a few hours before tip off. Today's games appear as "France LNB Pro A" starting at 17:30.

Risacher's game should appear as "Vllleurbane-Lyon--Bourg-en Bresse" or "ASVEL--Bourg en Bresse" at the 17:30 time.

WARNING, this site time for the games is actually one hour later than in France (probalby based in Eastern Europe), meaning tomorrow's game will appear then as 17h30 (5:30PM) not 16:30, french time (4:30PM).

you can find all LNB games every week there.

[JPB]

Ariel,

I updated the post so you can get the name of the teams and find the game in the list.

[RC_Drunkford]

I got Risacher and Dillingham as my top priorities. Williams and Topic as the back up plan. Really hope we can draft 2 out of these 4.

[Ariel]

there's actually LNB games (french league) live right now, but Risacher's team's is playing tomorrow vs. ASVEL (TP's team) at 4:30PM in france. I don't know where you are, but that's 10:30 ET (Washington) in America if I'm correct (-6)... Just find as website that makes conversions from one city to another (Paris to whatever), there's only one time in France.

you can catch the game on a site like that:

https://livesport24.net/

just need to enable you VPN to access the site, then click on basketball in the top tab.The game will appear in the list a few hours before tip off. Today's games appear as "France LNB Pro A" starting at 17:30.

WARNING, this site time for the games is actually one hour later than in France (probalby based in Eastern Europe), meaning tomorrow's game will appear as 17h30 (5:30PM) not 16:30, french time (4:30PM).

you can find all LNB games every week there. Rischer's team is called "Bourg-en-Bresse".
Thanks. My timezone is GMT-3 (Buenos Aires, Argentina), so US games are usually easier to catch than European ones (let alone Australian games), but I'll try to catch a few to have a more accurate picture of him (beyond highlights)

[JPB]

Thanks. My timezone is GMT-3 (Buenos Aires, Argentina), so US games are usually easier to catch than European ones (let alone Australian games), but I'll try to catch a few to have a more accurate picture of him (beyond highlights)

France right now is GMT+1. So the game should start at 12:30PM (12h30) for you, for your noon meal :)

[CGD]

Buzelis over Dillingham is nuts

Size matters at the next level despite what the “motion in the ocean” crowd says.

Also, Dilly ain’t Steph or even Trae.

[CGD]

I see hes moved Matas Buzelis up to #6 as well.

It’s a matter of time. Matas is underrated here even if he’s the 3rd best wing prospect behind Zach and Cody. In fact, I think after ZR, Matas arguably fits the front court needs more than Cody. Theoretically Sochan does what Cody is projected to do.

[baseline bum]

Size matters at the next level despite what the “motion in the ocean” crowd says.

Also, Dilly ain’t Steph or even Trae.

That's why the Magic were right to draft Jeryl Sasser over Tony Parker

[CGD]

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Still can’t shoot?

[exstatic]

Size matters at the next level despite what the “motion in the ocean” crowd says.

Also, Dilly ain’t Steph or even Trae.

Also, Buzelis ain’t Wagner.

[CGD]

That's why the Magic were right to draft Jeryl Sasser over Tony Parker

Bro, that was 23 years ago. The game is totally different now.

[baseline bum]

It’s a matter of time. Matas is underrated here even if he’s the 3rd best wing prospect behind Zach and Cody. In fact, I think after ZR, Matas arguably fits the front court needs more than Cody. Theoretically Sochan does what Cody is projected to do.

He can't shoot, 27% from three, and this team desperately needs shooting since it isn't getting it from Sochan nor Jones.

[exstatic]

I can’t understand the outright pimping of Collier. He doesn’t shoot or pass well, and his bull charges to the rim probably won’t work in the NBA.

[baseline bum]

Bro, that was 23 years ago. The game is totally different now.

Must be why Sochan was a better PG than shrimpy De'Aron Fox

[mo7888]

Size matters at the next level despite what the “motion in the ocean” crowd says.

Also, Dilly ain’t Steph or even Trae.

I think Dilly's pretty good, but with the PG's that should be obtainable by trade this sumner, I think there's a legitimate argument for taking two sf/pf types. There just might be more value doing that...

[baseline bum]

I think Dilly's pretty good, but with the PG's that should be obtainable by trade this sumner, I think there's a legitimate argument for taking two sf/pf types. There just might be more value doing that...

What PG are you expecting to be on the trade market this summer?

[mo7888]

What PG are you expecting to be on the trade market this summer?

Mainly the one's we talked about at the trade deadline (DJ and Trae), but I could see Derrick as well if Boston doesn't live up to expectations.

[scott]

At this point, say we end up with pick #6 (the highest probably single landing spot for the 3rd worst team) and #10 with the TOR pick... I think I'd be down for taking Filipowski with that second pick. Sure you don't want to use the #10 pick on what projects to be a backup... but I'd view it as a way to have a long term solidification of the second unit. Basically a higher ceiling versus of Zach Collins. Only hesitation is that you're locked into Zach for two more years and $35MM, but maybe you can move him. I'd take your top wing prospect with the first pick and Filipowski with the second, try to get your starting PG via other means.

And hot take, but I'd rather have Filipowski than Sarr for this team

[CGD]

Must be why Sochan was a better PG than shrimpy De'Aron Fox

You mean the 6’3” guard with a 6’7” wingspan? Yeah he’d be a much better PG prospect in this draft than the 6’0” prospect with what looks to be a negative wingspan.

Not sure what Sochan has to do with it. He was never supposed to be a PG.

[mo7888]

At this point, say we end up with pick #6 (the highest probably single landing spot for the 3rd worst team) and #10 with the TOR pick... I think I'd be down for taking Filipowski with that second pick. Sure you don't want to use the #10 pick on what projects to be a backup... but I'd view it as a way to have a long term solidification of the second unit. Basically a higher ceiling versus of Zach Collins. Only hesitation is that you're locked into Zach for two more years and $35MM, but maybe you can move him. I'd take your top wing prospect with the first pick and Filipowski with the second, try to get your starting PG via other means.

And hot take, but I'd rather have Filipowski than Sarr for this team

In that scenario I might be tempted to consolidate a few 2nd's and move up into the first and draft and grab Proctor as my PG. Obviously, I'm assuming Topic and Dilly are gone at 6.

[baseline bum]

You mean the 6’3” guard with a 6’7” wingspan? Yeah he’d be a much better PG prospect in this draft than the 6’0” prospect with what looks to be a negative wingspan.

Not sure what Sochan has to do with it. He was never supposed to be a PG.

We'll see at the combine since it's hard to find good measurements on Dillingham. Fox was 6'2" without shoes and 170 lbs at it.

[Mr. Body]

At this point, say we end up with pick #6 (the highest probably single landing spot for the 3rd worst team) and #10 with the TOR pick... I think I'd be down for taking Filipowski with that second pick. Sure you don't want to use the #10 pick on what projects to be a backup... but I'd view it as a way to have a long term solidification of the second unit. Basically a higher ceiling versus of Zach Collins. Only hesitation is that you're locked into Zach for two more years and $35MM, but maybe you can move him. I'd take your top wing prospect with the first pick and Filipowski with the second, try to get your starting PG via other means.

And hot take, but I'd rather have Filipowski than Sarr for this team

I made a case for Filipowski a while back. I'd much rather fill team needs competently than wildly swing at flawed candidates that won't ever cut it, and a strong need is size. Filipowski can do the short rolls and high post passing that we taught Poeltl to do. He's not the shotblocker Jakob was, but I compared him to Vucevic coming out of college, where the comp is favorable. Filipowski is a long-range threat, can rebound the ball, isn't bad defensively, and has the size Collins doesn't. Unfortunately his touch is kind of balls inside and his ft% is worse than you'd want. Probably fixable.

I'd much rather take Filipowski at #10 than Sarr at #1.

I wouldn't worry about Collins' contract. Even if he doesn't return to form, this team has no cap issues whatsoever.

[baseline bum]

Mainly the one's we talked about at the trade deadline (DJ and Trae), but I could see Derrick as well if Boston doesn't live up to expectations.

Crap I thought you had some guys the Spurs had a decent chance of getting :lol

[mo7888]

Crap I thought you had some guys the Spurs had a decent chance of getting :lol

Lol... I wish...

[Mr. Body]

In that scenario I might be tempted to consolidate a few 2nd's and move up into the first and draft and grab Proctor as my PG. Obviously, I'm assuming Topic and Dilly are gone at 6.

Proctor isn't doing it for me. He didn't have it last year and he doesn't look great this year. For PG, I want to get a guy who clearly projects as a longtime starter/near star or a guy who is more prepared who can platoon well who the team doesn't feel they need to commit years to.

Right now I'm interested in Tyler Kolek and KJ Simpson from Marquette and Colorado. They're a bit older and will be around our #33 pick. Kolek is a badass veteran who can probably step in and do a lot of things right away. Simpson's production is also very good. At least they can run a team. Kolek is a tough motherfucker.

Knowing the Spurs, I do think they will take a hard look at Sheppard.

[mo7888]

Proctor isn't doing it for me. He didn't have it last . he doesn't look great this year. For PG, I want to get a guy who clearly projects as a longtime starter/near star or a guy who is more prepared who can platoon well who the team doesn't feel they need to commit years to.

Right now I'm interested in Tyler Kolek and KJ Simpson from Marquette and Colorado. They're a bit older and will be around our #33 pick. Kolek is a badass veteran who can probably step in and do a lot of things right away. Simpson's production is also very good. At least they can run a team. Kolek is a tough motherfucker.

Knowing the Spurs, I do think they will take a hard look at Sheppard.

Sure, I'd rather have a guy who projects as longtime starter too. Unless Topic is that guy I'm not sure I see him out there, though. Dilly looks real good, but his length 'could' limit him and he could very well be an energizer off the bench. That's still valuable and I'd take Dilly or Topic well ahead of Proctor, but in a scenario where both are gone (and Shephard) Proctor makes sense. Decent length, good court awareness, handles, and nice form on his shot. I think he's more suited to the nba than college. He's certainly not a surething (although few are in this draft), but at worst he's a decent guy off the bench.

[RC_Drunkford]

Mainly the one's we talked about at the trade deadline (DJ and Trae), but I could see Derrick as well if Boston doesn't live up to expectations.

doesn't matter. Even if we got one of them you'd hope Dillingham would become a better back up than Tre Jones at some point

[mo7888]

doesn't matter. Even if we got one of them you'd hope Dillingham would become a better back up than Tre Jones at some point

I think he would. I just see some value in doubling our odds that one of the sf/pf types work out.

[Mr. Body]

People need to quit the nonsense that small guards don't exist in the NBA or that "the NBA is moving away from small guards." Small guards are all over the fucking place. Many of the biggest stars in the league are small guards and there are small guards who contribute in other ways.

[Mr. Body]

As for Dillingham vs. Trae Young, the Kentucky player was a better shooter in college by a good margin. What Trae had was a crazy twice as many fts a game and an insane 37% usage rate. Trae's three point shooting in college was kind of balls.

https://tankathon.com/players/compare?players=rob-dillingham--trae-young

[mo7888]

People need to quit the nonsense that small guards don't exist in the NBA or that "the NBA is moving away from small guards." Small guards are all over the fucking place. Many of the biggest stars in the league are small guards and there are small guards who contribute in other ways.

Who exactly made that argument?

[Mr. Body]

Who exactly made that argument?

All over the place.

[spurraider21]

If you’re taking a non shooter he better be absolutely special elsewhere to justify it. Collier isn’t.

[LeBowen]

If you’re taking a non shooter he better be absolutely special elsewhere to justify it. Collier isn’t.

Yeah, we simply can't afford to have any more bad shooters on perimeter positionso.
Thompson brothers were way more hyped than anyone in this class and look at how they've been doing as perimeter players with no range.

Bad defenders should be avoided, but having bad shooters is even worse in today's league.

[baseline bum]

I think he would. I just see some value in doubling our odds that one of the sf/pf types work out.

Ugh drop to 4 or 5 and both Risacher and Williams are probably both off the table. No way I'm gambling Buzelis or Holland there. :vomit:

[SpursBills]

At this point, say we end up with pick #6 (the highest probably single landing spot for the 3rd worst team) and #10 with the TOR pick... I think I'd be down for taking Filipowski with that second pick. Sure you don't want to use the #10 pick on what projects to be a backup... but I'd view it as a way to have a long term solidification of the second unit. Basically a higher ceiling versus of Zach Collins. Only hesitation is that you're locked into Zach for two more years and $35MM, but maybe you can move him. I'd take your top wing prospect with the first pick and Filipowski with the second, try to get your starting PG via other means.

And hot take, but I'd rather have Filipowski than Sarr for this team

in this scenario I’d probably use the Chicago pick to trade up to get the guy you want if possible

[baseline bum]

Yeah, we simply can't afford to have any more bad shooters on perimeter positionso.
Thompson brothers were way more hyped than anyone in this class and look at how they've been doing as perimeter players with no range.

Bad defenders should be avoided, but having bad shooters is even worse in today's league.

At least the Thompsons are monster athletes so you can see a high ceiling with them. Collier, Buzelis, Topic though?

[mo7888]

Ugh drop to 4 or 5 and both Risacher and Williams are probably both off the table. No way I'm gambling Buzelis or Holland there. :vomit:

I've got Matas at #6, so I'm relatively comfortable there, Holland i don't have top 10. That said, when I'm talking about doubling our odds, I'm talking about 2 of Cody, Risacher, and Matas. If Risacher and Williams are both gone that strategy wouldn't really apply.

[CGD]

All over the place.

Here is the list of starting PGs in 2024. The path for a PG smaller than 6’2” + 0” wingspan isn’t great (e.g., Dillingham). I’m sure there are backups I’m missing, but I’d rather just roll with Jones. As someone else said, we’ll see what he measures at during the combine.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-point-guard-rankings-2023-24-starters/9c74d355ef6a89962fb30bc7

[CGD]

I've got Matas at #6, so I'm relatively comfortable there, Holland i don't have top 10. That said, when I'm talking about doubling our odds, I'm talking about 2 of Cody, Risacher, and Matas. If Risacher and Williams are both gone that strategy wouldn't really apply.

Read somewhere that Hollands stock has taken a hit in part because he is nowhere near the listed 6’8” and he plays more of a PF game right now (with poor shooting).

[baseline bum]

Here is the list of starting PGs in 2024. The path for a PG smaller than 6’2” + 0” wingspan isn’t great (e.g., Dillingham). I’m sure there are backups I’m missing, but I’d rather just roll with Jones. As someone else said, we’ll see what he measures at during the combine.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-point-guard-rankings-2023-24-starters/9c74d355ef6a89962fb30bc7

Where are you seeing his wingspan is the same as his height?

[Mr. Body]

Here is the list of starting PGs in 2024. The path for a PG smaller than 6’2” + 0” wingspan isn’t great (e.g., Dillingham). I’m sure there are backups I’m missing, but I’d rather just roll with Jones. As someone else said, we’ll see what he measures at during the combine.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-point-guard-rankings-2023-24-starters/9c74d355ef6a89962fb30bc7

PG rankings?

Opens up page: barely any of these are PGs.

[JPB]

You could ask yourself in a vacuum if being french (Risacher, Sarr or even Tidjane Salaun another projected lottery guy) is a factor with Wemby in, for acclimatation and complicity, but Livio and Nando say hi!

So I guess it's a hard no. Although to be fair, none of these two had the potential the former 3, or lets say 2, have.

[mo7888]

Read somewhere that Hollands stock has taken a hit in part because he is nowhere near the listed 6’8” and he plays more of a PF game right now (with poor shooting).

That's pretty much it..

[Mr. Body]

Man are these SFs unimpressive. I get pulling two of them, but it's because they're so flawed and crappy.

Risacher - The top so far, possible movement shooter, big jump in efficiency this year, upright stance, only straight-line movements, questionable defensive metrics, surprisingly poor free throw shooting, no rebounding, hard to imagine him as more than a role-player.

Holland - High energy, low-feel, horrible offensive and defensive advanced metrics, bad shooter, maybe more of a PF, probably lost a year of coaching due to Ignite, possibly a good defender, Shawn Marion without shooting, among the youngest in the draft.

Buzelis - Decent lateral movement but skinny, good weak-side shotblocker, terrible shooter from range, bad free throw shooter, decent rebounder, doesn't do much else, probably lost a year of development with Ignite, seems to get away with comps to Franz Wagner but has a negative assist/turnover ratio.

Williams - Great shooting stats, hits high percentage inside but on very difficult shots because he has no burst and little athleticism, rangy and long, can circulate the ball, poor defensively, not a rebounder, bad free throw shooter, eating off the fact he has a successful brother.

For a class supposedly strong with point guards, the point guards have largely underwhelmed. They've been replaced by underwhelming small forwards.

[mo7888]

Man are these SFs unimpressive. I get pulling two of them, but it's because they're so flawed and crappy.



Definitely flawed.... you could also use the same argument for drafting Topic and Dilly(2 PG's). Basically, it comes down to your opinion of which position has more talent and which is more valuable positionally. I think the sf position is more valuable than the pg position in todays game, so I lean in there.

[SOMA Spur]

At this point, say we end up with pick #6 (the highest probably single landing spot for the 3rd worst team) and #10 with the TOR pick... I think I'd be down for taking Filipowski with that second pick. Sure you don't want to use the #10 pick on what projects to be a backup... but I'd view it as a way to have a long term solidification of the second unit. Basically a higher ceiling versus of Zach Collins. Only hesitation is that you're locked into Zach for two more years and $35MM, but maybe you can move him. I'd take your top wing prospect with the first pick and Filipowski with the second, try to get your starting PG via other means.

And hot take, but I'd rather have Filipowski than Sarr for this team

Kinda hoping to get a backup C who can block some shots. I heard one scout talk about a good amount of value bigs at the end of the first / beginning of second. Maybe someone nice falls at #33 - Edey, Missi, Ware, Chomiche, Ivisic, Ugonna. Looking to get value there, and keep our top 10 picks for wings/pg. (Thats if they keep #33, which they probably wont)

[JPB]

Man are these SFs unimpressive. I get pulling two of them, but it's because they're so flawed and crappy.

Risacher - The top so far, possible movement shooter, big jump in efficiency this year, upright stance, only straight-line movements, questionable defensive metrics, surprisingly poor free throw shooting, no rebounding, hard to imagine him as more than a role-player.

Holland - High energy, low-feel, horrible offensive and defensive advanced metrics, bad shooter, maybe more of a PF, probably lost a year of coaching due to Ignite, possibly a good defender, Shawn Marion without shooting, among the youngest in the draft.

Buzelis - Decent lateral movement but skinny, good weak-side shotblocker, terrible shooter from range, bad free throw shooter, decent rebounder, doesn't do much else, probably lost a year of development with Ignite, seems to get away with comps to Franz Wagner but has a negative assist/turnover ratio.

Williams - Great shooting stats, hits high percentage inside but on very difficult shots because he has no burst and little athleticism, rangy and long, can circulate the ball, poor defensively, not a rebounder, bad free throw shooter, eating off the fact he has a successful brother.

For a class supposedly strong with point guards, the point guards have largely underwhelmed. They've been replaced by underwhelming small forwards.

You mean more or less flaws than Amen or Ausar?

[JPB]

I mean I've seen more from Risacher at 18 vs. grown men than I might in the Thompson bros' whole career.

[CGD]

It’ll be interesting to see if Sarr slips and there when Spurs pick (2/3). Would they really take him?

[SOMA Spur]

Man are these SFs unimpressive. I get pulling two of them, but it's because they're so flawed and crappy.

Risacher - The top so far, possible movement shooter, big jump in efficiency this year, upright stance, only straight-line movements, questionable defensive metrics, surprisingly poor free throw shooting, no rebounding, hard to imagine him as more than a role-player.

Holland - High energy, low-feel, horrible offensive and defensive advanced metrics, bad shooter, maybe more of a PF, probably lost a year of coaching due to Ignite, possibly a good defender, Shawn Marion without shooting, among the youngest in the draft.

Buzelis - Decent lateral movement but skinny, good weak-side shotblocker, terrible shooter from range, bad free throw shooter, decent rebounder, doesn't do much else, probably lost a year of development with Ignite, seems to get away with comps to Franz Wagner but has a negative assist/turnover ratio.

Williams - Great shooting stats, hits high percentage inside but on very difficult shots because he has no burst and little athleticism, rangy and long, can circulate the ball, poor defensively, not a rebounder, bad free throw shooter, eating off the fact he has a successful brother.

For a class supposedly strong with point guards, the point guards have largely underwhelmed. They've been replaced by underwhelming small forwards.

Gotta give a shout out to another unimpressive SF - Dalton Knecht. He's unimpressive cause he's almost 23 years old. Other than that, pretty impressive.

[Mr. Body]

It’ll be interesting to see if Sarr slips and there when Spurs pick (2/3). Would they really take him?

If you think he's Evan Mobley, but I don't think he's Evan Mobley. Mobley was actually a better outside shooter by percentage in college than Sarr is now and supposedly that's a selling point.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, we simply can't afford to have any more bad shooters on perimeter positionso.
Thompson brothers were way more hyped than anyone in this class and look at how they've been doing as perimeter players with no range.

Bad defenders should be avoided, but having bad shooters is even worse in today's league.
if they’re convinced topic/castle/Sarr are truly special elsewhere that you can look past the shooting I’d say go for it but you need a really high confidence level before pulling that kind of trigger.

[exstatic]

People need to quit the nonsense that small guards don't exist in the NBA or that "the NBA is moving away from small guards." Small guards are all over the fucking place. Many of the biggest stars in the league are small guards and there are small guards who contribute in other ways.

Now, other than that Curry guy, how many have, even in this gogo scoring era( call it 2015 to now) led their teams to titles? The trend is to big wing playmakers, your LeBrons, Durants, Gianniss, and Kawhis. They win the titles. Little guys exist, but they are complementary players by and large.

Disclaimer: I like Dillingham, and was on him early. I think he could be a solid #2 with his varied skill set.

[r0drig0lac]

I think Dilly's pretty good, but with the PG's that should be obtainable by trade this sumner, I think there's a legitimate argument for taking two sf/pf types. There just might be more value doing that...

Sarr, Rich, Cody, Buzelis, Holland or Salaun, I would definitely go for someone from that group, Topic would be the only guard I would be looking at and even then without confidence.

[Mr. Body]

Now, other than that Curry guy, how many have, even in this gogo scoring era( call it 2015 to now) led their teams to titles? The trend is to big wing playmakers, your LeBrons, Durants, Gianniss, and Kawhis. They win the titles. Little guys exist, but they are complementary players by and large.

Disclaimer: I like Dillingham, and was on him early. I think he could be a solid #2 with his varied skill set.

Fred Van Vleet? Just off the top of my head. Why are you asking for someone who lead a team to a title rather than vital pieces?

[Mr. Body]

Kentucky is a pretty bad defensive team. Dillingham has more than contributed, but beyond his size, it's his positioning and getting lost on screens. More than this, it's clueless handling of simple switches. Tonight was a keen example. Gonzaga ran a basic pick and roll, Ivisic took the guard who was moving toward the wing. Instead of sticking with Ivisic's big guy who was rolling down, he rushed across back to his man, now doubling him. Instant dunk under the basket with the pass. I've seen him give up inbounds dunks doing the same thing.

Now, I've thought those crappy reads were from shitty coaching, but he hasn't played since. I haven't been paying attention but it seems like he's been yanked.

His background is with Donda Academy and then Overtime Elite, so I can see atrocious coaching devoid of fundamentals is part of his background. Given how he's often calling switches as players move around (not always the right calls, but still), I have to feel like the basic concepts of basketball can't be beyond him, but it's striking that he hasn't played since.

[Dejounte]

Now, other than that Curry guy, how many have, even in this gogo scoring era( call it 2015 to now) led their teams to titles? The trend is to big wing playmakers, your LeBrons, Durants, Gianniss, and Kawhis. They win the titles. Little guys exist, but they are complementary players by and large.

Disclaimer: I like Dillingham, and was on him early. I think he could be a solid #2 with his varied skill set.

You draft a SF who could one day be in the same universe as those four but the truth is, these forwards in the upcoming draft have no great quality about them that would give anyone that type of confidence.

Each HOFer possessed elite athleticism or was lights out in college
LeBron - obviously a generational athlete
Durant - dominated college
Kawhi - freak physical profile, ball handling like a guard
Giannis - freak physical profile, ball handling like a guard

Meanwhile, this sad bunch of forwards:
Matas - ball handling like a guard (played point before Ignite) but the drive might not be there
Risacher - straight line driver, catch and shoot player, occasional step backs but nothing writing home about
Cody - meets some criteria but moves slow. If you’re going to be slow, be strong. He’s not strong
Holland - too Keldonesque

Garbage all around

[exstatic]

You draft a SF who could one day be in the same universe as those four but the truth is, these forwards in the upcoming draft have no great quality about them that would give anyone that type of confidence.

Each HOFer possessed elite athleticism or was lights out in college
LeBron - obviously a generational athlete
Durant - dominated college
Kawhi - freak physical profile, ball handling like a guard
Giannis - freak physical profile, ball handling like a guard

Meanwhile, this sad bunch of forwards:
Matas - ball handling like a guard (played point before Ignite) but the drive might not be there
Risacher - straight line driver, catch and shoot player, occasional step backs but nothing writing home about
Cody - meets some criteria but moves slow. If you’re going to be slow, be strong. He’s not strong
Holland - too Keldonesque

Garbage all around

Neither of them showed that at any high level coming into the league. You draft on potential, not on what a player is now. Risacher is 18, and you have him pigeonholed as a straight line driver and catch and shoot guy, forever. He’s far better at 18 than either Giannis or Kawhi.

[Dejounte]

Neither of them showed that at any high level coming into the league. You draft on potential, not on what a player is now. Risacher is 18, and you have him pigeonholed as a straight line driver and catch and shoot guy, forever. He’s far better at 18 than either Giannis or Kawhi.

Believe it or not, players have semblance of who they were at 18 when they’re in the NBA. Just because you’re 18 doesn’t mean you’re going to evolve into a player whose skills and tendencies are drastically different. Giannis was touted for having ball handling as an 18 year old. I’m not comparing how good each individual were at the same level, but what kind of player they were. Yeah, I do have him pidgeon holed as a straight line driver and catch and shoot guy, that’s NOT me saying he wont be a better player in the NBA.

[exstatic]

Believe it or not, players have semblance of who they were at 18 when they’re in the NBA. Just because you’re 18 doesn’t mean you’re going to evolve into a player whose skills and tendencies are drastically different. Giannis was touted for having ball handling as an 18 year old. I’m not comparing how good each individual were at the same level, but what kind of player they were. Yeah, I do have him pidgeon holed as a straight line driver and catch and shoot guy, that’s NOT me saying he wont be a better player in the NBA.

Well,we’re probably not going to agree on Risacher’s potential, but you should prepare yourself for the Spurs to draft him if he’s on the board when they pick. Young Peter Holt was spotted in France at a Risacher game, and owners don’t leave their business to fly across the ocean to see a prospect on a lark.

[CGD]

Believe it or not, players have semblance of who they were at 18 when they’re in the NBA. Just because you’re 18 doesn’t mean you’re going to evolve into a player whose skills and tendencies are drastically different. Giannis was touted for having ball handling as an 18 year old. I’m not comparing how good each individual were at the same level, but what kind of player they were. Yeah, I do have him pidgeon holed as a straight line driver and catch and shoot guy, that’s NOT me saying he wont be a better player in the NBA.

THANK YOU for ending that ridiculous caps crap, lol! Just noticed

[Dejounte]

Well,we’re probably not going to agree on Risacher’s potential, but you should prepare yourself for the Spurs to draft him if he’s on the board when they pick. Young Peter Holt was spotted in France at a Risacher game, and owners don’t leave their business to fly across the ocean to see a prospect on a lark.

I was aware Holt was out there— I don’t necessarily think he was out there solely for Risacher. He may be out there to scout on what additional elements of the French culture he could incorporate into Spurs Entertainment too. I’ve been down this road before, with the Spurs drafting someone I wasn’t fully on board with (Vassell). Those criticisms of Vassell I had pre-draft are apparent today, so my criticism was valid. I won’t be upset, just disappointment with hopes for the best as I obviously want the Spurs to succeed. I don’t believe all my ideas about the Spurs are the best ones that the Spurs should align with, like how a lot of bozos here are with their ideas. Just my thoughts and opinions alone.

[onechance87]

anybody know when topic suppose to return

[mo7888]

anybody know when topic suppose to return

Should be towards the end of this month...

[exstatic]

anybody know when topic suppose to return

On January 5th it was stated that he would be out 4-6weeks. 26 days in January plus 10 in February is 36, or a bit over 5 weeks already.

[scott]

I wouldn't read too much into Holt being out to watch Risacher. No, owners don't fly across the world to watch a prospect on a lark... but rich dudes vacation in places in France, and may have wanted to catch a basketball game. I don't know for certain, but I also don't think Peter Holt Jr. is active in scouting on behalf of the team. Maybe he is though... no clue, but there aren't any indications that he's heavily involved in basketball ops in that way.

Back to my Filipowski take... a large part of it is based off taking the players most likely to be NBA contributors. This draft is so weak, it drives me away from positions of need and just to "who do I think most likely to help the team at this position in the draft", and in the 8-12 range, I think that is Filipowski.

[Dejounte]

I wouldn't read too much into Holt being out to watch Risacher. No, owners don't fly across the world to watch a prospect on a lark... but rich dudes vacation in places in France, and may have wanted to catch a basketball game. I don't know for certain, but I also don't think Peter Holt Jr. is active in scouting on behalf of the team. Maybe he is though... no clue, but there aren't any indications that he's heavily involved in basketball ops in that way.

Back to my Filipowski take... a large part of it is based off taking the players most likely to be NBA contributors. This draft is so weak, it drives me away from positions of need and just to "who do I think most likely to help the team at this position in the draft", and in the 8-12 range, I think that is Filipowski.

All these years with prospects that take years to develop has led us to believe that no rookie can come out of the gate running and it’s sad. There are definitely rookies who do and I hope the Spurs can get one.

[onechance87]

I wouldn't read too much into Holt being out to watch Risacher. No, owners don't fly across the world to watch a prospect on a lark... but rich dudes vacation in places in France, and may have wanted to catch a basketball game. I don't know for certain, but I also don't think Peter Holt Jr. is active in scouting on behalf of the team. Maybe he is though... no clue, but there aren't any indications that he's heavily involved in basketball ops in that way.

Back to my Filipowski take... a large part of it is based off taking the players most likely to be NBA contributors. This draft is so weak, it drives me away from positions of need and just to "who do I think most likely to help the team at this position in the draft", and in the 8-12 range, I think that is Filipowski.

This draft is weak.But their is always stars and good young role players in every draft.If we cant get a star then we better
get damn good role players.Not impressed with the picks the last few years.So the scouts and management better not fuck this up.

[exstatic]

All these years with prospects that take years to develop has led us to believe that no rookie can come out of the gate running and it’s sad. There are definitely rookies who do and I hope the Spurs can get one.
The ones that do are usually older and more physically developed and experienced. They are also usually at or near their ceilings.

[Mr. Body]

Masai and RC were at the Colorado game to watch the Buffaloes get destroyed by Arizona and Cody Williams stink. He looks promising, though, like he might become a lottery pick in a year or two.

[onechance87]

Masai and RC were at the Colorado game to watch the Buffaloes get destroyed by Arizona and Cody Williams stink. He looks promising, though, like he might become a lottery pick in a year or two.

damnit...Hopefully he snaps out of it....We may have to take a serious look at knecht who just makes shit happen on offense.
May be better then holland

[BackHome]

Masai and RC were at the Colorado game to watch the Buffaloes get destroyed by Arizona and Cody Williams stink. He looks promising, though, like he might become a lottery pick in a year or two.

Yeah, him and also Castle had really bad games - We are coming close to March Madness where we going to see players step up or players who can’t handle the bright lights. Even know players are starting to feel the pressure knowing there dreams and a hell of a lot of money are on the line

[duncan2150]

Yeah, him and also Castle had really bad games - We are coming close to March Madness where we going to see players step up or players who can’t handle the bright lights. Even know players are starting to feel the pressure knowing there dreams and a hell of a lot of money are on the line

At what games do you referred for castle backhome ? he is just coming from three good games in the last four, with 17,20 and 21 points while hitting the three.

[Bruno]

anybody know when topic suppose to return

His coach said a week ago that it would take longer than expected because they were really cautious.

Teams in Europe are now entering a break until the end of the month to let national teams play some games. Topic's team next game is on March 1st. If the end of his rehab is going well, I guess he would be back for that game.

[Bruno]

Holt wasn't in France to see Risacher. He had two business to France in October and January. Drafting Wembanyama has surely open some business possibilities to Spurs in France. The precise goal of these trips has of course been keep secret. My wild guess is that Holt might be looking to add Qatar (owner of Paris soccer team) as a Spurs minority owner and have a lot of fresh money to build the new arena.

Spurs will play two games next season in France (home and away against Pacers), Holt looked at the two possible venues for these games (Bercy and U arena) during that trip.

I highly doubt Holt is somehow involved in the scouting process. The main reason why he was at that Risacher game was likely to see how Spurs European scouts were working.

[Mr. Body]

damnit...Hopefully he snaps out of it....We may have to take a serious look at knecht who just makes shit happen on offense.
May be better then holland

I don't think it's a matter of snapping out of it, really, for Williams. One, Arizona was just dominant. But then Williams is a freshman who impacts the game on kick-outs and sometimes attacks the basket. He's not a dynamic, vital player for Colorado. Just watching them, you'd see a talented kid who might eventually generate high draft interest. What pops for him is a nice percentage from distance, although he doesn't shoot from range that often, and a really high conversion rate around the rim. He did it again last night - he gets these tough shots to go, which is a real talent. My worry there is that he's getting tough shots instead of easy shots. A guy with his rangy size shouldn't be forced into these shots, which will get harder in the pros. Strength will help, but a problem is he doesn't have a lot of burst.

[Mr. Body]

At this point, my strategy has changed slightly. I'm paying more attention to our early 2RP. I'm also more interested in older players who can contribute sooner. The cavalcade of Bambis who can barely walk needs adjustment.

Pick 1-5. Zaccharie Risacher. Our biggest need may be a starting small forward. Champagnie isn't starting caliber and we're giving up so much with him out there. I'm not fond of paying high rookie scale for a role-player, but if Risacher can be a movement shooter who plays good defense, that's an improvement. If he's not available, I'm not quite sure what to do with the pick.

Pick 6-10. If we drop and/or we get Toronto's pick. I am expecting bench players here. Maybe starters down the line, but that's too much to expect right now. This team is in so dire need of talent, taking both picks may be wise, but I wouldn't be upset to trade out the second one. Teams may not be keen to trade all the way up, but may want a player in this range. For any pick in this range, I'm looking to fill in needed gaps, which are defense, scoring, rebounding. My board includes Kyle Filipowski (good-passing big), Reed Sheppard (undersize glue guy), Rob Dillingham (bench scorer), Dalton Knecht (old badass), Matas Buzelis or Cody Williams (long-term projects).

Pick 33. Here is where I target an older player who can fill in faster than a Bambi. With roster spots filled with bumbling players from Wesley to Cissoko, I want one of those seasoned players the NBA draft has turned away from but seem to impact teams everywhere instead of ours. Right now it's Tyler Kolek, a rugged sunovabitch from Marquette. I don't like any of the PGs early in the draft and don't feel like drafting a project this late makes sense. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see a Melvin Ajinca or Ulrich Chomche picked instead.

So... I dunno if much has changed. I hvae a very few players I like in the lottery. I don't have huge expectations for them, but am good to add new blood. I have moved to liking Knecht and Kolek and those types of players.

[JPB]

Holt wasn't in France to see Risacher. He had two business to France in October and January. Drafting Wembanyama has surely open some business possibilities to Spurs in France. The precise goal of these trips has of course been keep secret. My wild guess is that Holt might be looking to add Qatar (owner of Paris soccer team) as a Spurs minority owner and have a lot of fresh money to build the new arena.

Spurs will play two games next season in France (home and away against Pacers), Holt looked at the two possible venues for these games (Bercy and U arena) during that trip.

I highly doubt Holt is somehow involved in the scouting process. The main reason why he was at that Risacher game was likely to see how Spurs European scouts were working.

I believe you're extrapolating or fantasizing a tad too fast, Bruno with Holt going in France to talk with Qatar of "business in France" in general... I mean, you don't need to go to France to negociate with Qatar who have interests throughout the planet... Sure they own Paris-Saint-Germain soccer team but Qatar princes or cheicks do'nt leave there, right? That's a hell of a short cut and speculation you're doing here.. Borderline conspiracy theory short cuts :D

Qatar own PSG --> Holt is going in France -> Maybe Holt is negociating with Qatar...

I believe that's just to see the areanas spurs coud play in next year, that's its job as the team majority owner, not RC or Pop to do that and make sure his team play in good conditions. And I also don't believe he would go in a Risacher game to see how "scouts are working in Europe", he knows that and all the scouts work the same anyway nowadays... He just took the occasion to watch the kid.

[Dejounte]

I believe you're extrapolating or fantasizing a tad too fast, Bruno with Holt going in France to talk with Qatar of "business in France" in general... I mean, you don't need to go to France to negociate with Qatar who have interests throughout the planet... Sure they own Paris-Saint-Germain soccer team but Qatar princes or cheicks do'nt leave there, right? That's a hell of a short cut and speculation you're doing here.. Borderline conspiracy theory short cuts :D

Qatar own PSG --> Holt is going in France -> Maybe Holt is negociating with Qatar...

I believe that's just to see the areanas spurs coud play in next year, that's its job as the team majority owner, not RC or Pop to do that and make sure his team play in good conditions. And I also don't believe he would go in a Risacher game to see how "scouts are working in Europe", he knows that and all the scouts work the same anyway nowadays... He just took the occasion to watch the kid.

This from the guy who extrapolated that there’s less interest in the Spurs from their fanbase because there was only four pages in the Spurstalk game thread. Fucking classic!

[rascal]

At this point, my strategy has changed slightly. I'm paying more attention to our early 2RP. I'm also more interested in older players who can contribute sooner. The cavalcade of Bambis who can barely walk needs adjustment.

Pick 1-5. Zaccharie Risacher. Our biggest need may be a starting small forward. Champagnie isn't starting caliber and we're giving up so much with him out there. I'm not fond of paying high rookie scale for a role-player, but if Risacher can be a movement shooter who plays good defense, that's an improvement. If he's not available, I'm not quite sure what to do with the pick.

Pick 6-10. If we drop and/or we get Toronto's pick. I am expecting bench players here. Maybe starters down the line, but that's too much to expect right now. This team is in so dire need of talent, taking both picks may be wise, but I wouldn't be upset to trade out the second one. Teams may not be keen to trade all the way up, but may want a player in this range. For any pick in this range, I'm looking to fill in needed gaps, which are defense, scoring, rebounding. My board includes Kyle Filipowski (good-passing big), Reed Sheppard (undersize glue guy), Rob Dillingham (bench scorer), Dalton Knecht (old badass), Matas Buzelis or Cody Williams (long-term projects).

Pick 33. Here is where I target an older player who can fill in faster than a Bambi. With roster spots filled with bumbling players from Wesley to Cissoko, I want one of those seasoned players the NBA draft has turned away from but seem to impact teams everywhere instead of ours. Right now it's Tyler Kolek, a rugged sunovabitch from Marquette. I don't like any of the PGs early in the draft and don't feel like drafting a project this late makes sense. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see a Melvin Ajinca or Ulrich Chomche picked instead.

So... I dunno if much has changed. I hvae a very few players I like in the lottery. I don't have huge expectations for them, but am good to add new blood. I have moved to liking Knecht and Kolek and those types of players.

You like non athletic white players.

[Mr. Body]

You like non athletic white players.

Excellent analysis. Very worth while.

[rascal]

Excellent analysis. Very worth while.

Tyler Kolek looks slow. How is that for analysis

[rascal]

Excellent analysis. Very worth while.

Just load the roster with a whole bunch of athletically challenged below the rim slow white players. See how far this team goes with those type of players in the rotation.

Spurs are already behind many other teams with enough players who can't create their own shots to break down a defense.

There is no one in the rotation who can break down a half court defense, that's why they pull up on a fast break and take a 3 point shot instead of finishing at the rim. Wesley is the only one with speed on a fast break on the team.

[BackHome]

At what games do you referred for castle backhome ? he is just coming from three good games in the last four, with 17,20 and 21 points while hitting the three.

The February 6th game where he played 33 minutes and had 3 rebounds, 2 assist and 5 points, against a decent team Butler

[Bruno]

I believe you're extrapolating or fantasizing a tad too fast, Bruno

It's logical you think that because I didn't give all the information. When Holt was in France, he gave that interview to L'Equipe:

What are Spurs looking for in France?
My job is to represent our family, our company and its investors, as well as, on behalf of our organization, our vision for its management, future and growth. Me and my sister are the fourth generation to lead this business, thatincludes energy, construction, mines, industry… The Spurs have a heritage linked to international basketball, where they were pioneers, notably through Gregg and RC Buford. This influence spreads to the world, notably via Manu Ginobili in Argentina, Tony Parker in France… With the arrival of Victor, but not only because of that, we have decided to increase our physical presence and our investments here.

With who were you able to work? PSG? Other entities?
I can't reveal that, but there are a lot interest. We are here to soak up the Parisian, French culture and look at these opportunities. Meet companies allow us to see where we could generate value. Mutual benefit can be huge. What we have in hand with Victor is the opportunity of a lifetime.

So:
- It's the second time in 4 months that Holt travel to France.
- Spurs are looking to strengthen their investor group, just look at their recent moves with Sixth Street, Dell...
- Qatar has a strong interest in Basketball. They will host the 2027 World Cup and are already a minority owner of the Washington Wizards.
- I don't think it's random that the journalist is talking about PSG, he might have heard some rumors.

Am I speculating? Yes, I am.
Is it some borderline conspiracy speculation? I don't think so.




I also don't believe he would go in a Risacher game to see how "scouts are working in Europe", he knows that and all the scouts work the same anyway nowadays... He just took the occasion to watch the kid.

He was at that game with Claudio Crippa, who is Spurs director of international scouting. I think Holt was there mostly to know him and his job better. Scouting in Europe isn't exactly like in NCCA because scouts haven't the same access to players.

[scott]

Damn I hope we aren't trying to get Qatar as an investor. Their human rights record isn't something I want part of my hometown team.

[Pauleta14]

Nice cliché scott

It's 2024 :)

[Mr. Body]

Damn I hope we aren't trying to get Qatar as an investor. Their human rights record isn't something I want part of my hometown team.

No kidding. Fuck them.

[Russ]

Just load the roster with a whole bunch of athletically challenged below the rim slow white players.

It's hard to generalize. Nikola Jokic is an athletically challenged below the rim slow white player and he's probably the best basketball player on the planet.

[Mr. Body]

Cody Williams is probably the least athletic player on that list. rascal is just racist.

[scott]

Maybe rascal can enlighten us with his list of highly athletic top prospects in this draft.

[spurraider21]

At this point, my strategy has changed slightly. I'm paying more attention to our early 2RP. I'm also more interested in older players who can contribute sooner. The cavalcade of Bambis who can barely walk needs adjustment.

Pick 1-5. Zaccharie Risacher. Our biggest need may be a starting small forward. Champagnie isn't starting caliber and we're giving up so much with him out there. I'm not fond of paying high rookie scale for a role-player, but if Risacher can be a movement shooter who plays good defense, that's an improvement. If he's not available, I'm not quite sure what to do with the pick.

Pick 6-10. If we drop and/or we get Toronto's pick. I am expecting bench players here. Maybe starters down the line, but that's too much to expect right now. This team is in so dire need of talent, taking both picks may be wise, but I wouldn't be upset to trade out the second one. Teams may not be keen to trade all the way up, but may want a player in this range. For any pick in this range, I'm looking to fill in needed gaps, which are defense, scoring, rebounding. My board includes Kyle Filipowski (good-passing big), Reed Sheppard (undersize glue guy), Rob Dillingham (bench scorer), Dalton Knecht (old badass), Matas Buzelis or Cody Williams (long-term projects).

Pick 33. Here is where I target an older player who can fill in faster than a Bambi. With roster spots filled with bumbling players from Wesley to Cissoko, I want one of those seasoned players the NBA draft has turned away from but seem to impact teams everywhere instead of ours. Right now it's Tyler Kolek, a rugged sunovabitch from Marquette. I don't like any of the PGs early in the draft and don't feel like drafting a project this late makes sense. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see a Melvin Ajinca or Ulrich Chomche picked instead.

So... I dunno if much has changed. I hvae a very few players I like in the lottery. I don't have huge expectations for them, but am good to add new blood. I have moved to liking Knecht and Kolek and those types of players.
I’ll be sure to provide your updated strategy to the FO

[RC_Drunkford]

Damn I hope we aren't trying to get Qatar as an investor. Their human rights record isn't something I want part of my hometown team.

yeah the human rights situation in the USA is way better. I mean the murder rate is only 20 times higher and the incarceration rate 9 times. Not even mentioning drugs etc. :lol

[Mr. Body]

yeah the human rights situation in the USA is way better. I mean the murder rate is only 20 times higher and the prison rate 9 times. Not even mentioning drugs etc. :lol

Exactly! Thanks for right wing gun nuts and the prison pipeline started by Nixon putting tons of black people in prison for non-violent drug offenses.

[JPB]

.With who were you able to work? PSG? Other entities?
I can't reveal that, but there are a lot interest. We are here to soak up the Parisian, French culture and look at these opportunities. Meet companies allow us to see where we could generate value. Mutual benefit can be huge. What we have in hand with Victor is the opportunity of a lifetime.



That's very vague and I don't see why Holt would meet with PSG, which is not an investment company or hedge fund, but another sport club. If Holt would like to meet with Qatar investors, he would meet with Qatar companies or princes, not PSG, who are dealing with their own sport club issues, and who by the way recently sold minority stake to... an US firm, "Arctos Partners", notably to help fund...their new arena.

so yes, sorry Bruno but that's pure specualtion. I mean Holt may have met PSG , just to see how it goes as far as running a club in France, but not for collaboration. PSG is not a firm but a sport club.

And for what it's worth, Qatar or saudi Arabia are investing in sport for "sport washing". they buy big clubs or try to create their own stuff (like that LIV stuff in golf or the saudian football league)... Not just for the sake of investing. If they could buy the Lakers tomorrow, they certainly would consider the opportunity, but they have no business funding an arena in SA.

[Mr. Body]

I’ll be sure to provide your updated strategy to the FO

Let me know when you have anything worthwhile to say.

[duncan2150]

That's very vague and I don't see why Holt would meet with PSG, which is not an investment company or hedge fund, but another sport club. If Holt would like to meet with Qatar investors, he would meet with Qatar companies or princes, not PSG, who are dealing with their own sport club issues, and who by the way recently sold minority stake to... an US firm, "Arctos Partners", notably to help fund...their new arena.

so yes, sorry Bruno but that's pure specualtion. I mean Holt may have met PSG , just to see how it goes as far as running a club in France, but not for collaboration. PSG is not a firm but a sport club.

And for what it's worth, Qatar or saudi Arabia are investing in sport for "sport washing". they buy big clubs or try to create their own stuff (like that LIV stuff in golf or the saudian football league)... Not just for the sake of investing. If they could buy the Lakers tomorrow, they certainly would consider the opportunity, but they have no business funding an arena in SA.

That's not vague so give him the point and we move on lol

the sure thing is that he did not came to france especially for risacher

[JPB]

That's not vague so give him the point and we move on lol

the sure thing is that he did not came to france especially for risacher

Lol did he say who he met? No, so yes tha is VERY vague.. Bruno's main pont, that lies on nothing other than Qatar owning PSG, was that that could be to talk with with Qatari to fund a new arena which just doesn't make sense (no offense to bruno) and is really extraplolating out of nothing...

anyway, I find interesting that Holt is mentioning the formidable opportunities Wemby offers, at a time where the interest for those spurs and Wemby ran out of steam after the incredible attention and excitment his arrival generated, with all that losing and sucking, while Pop explains us we should be ready to suck like that for a while... Just look how thin game threads have become on ST. They showered everyone's enthusiasm with iced water.

Wemby or not, somebody explains Holt they're not gonna make that much business as NBA bottom feeders. This isn't the Lakers and they're making Wemby pass for a loser who can't make his team win... Not good for business, people like winners... Peple have stooped staying up at night to watch Wemby's game live in France. And you may not want to come in Paris next year over there and get blown by 20 twice unless you want to hear 15K fans boo you...

[scott]

yeah the human rights situation in the USA is way better. I mean the murder rate is only 20 times higher and the incarceration rate 9 times. Not even mentioning drugs etc. :lol

America may have it’s problems, but none of them compare to the fundamental disregard for human rights.

I say this, recognizing that there is a faction of the Republican Party for whom this sounds like a wet dream: https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/qatar

[scott]

Nice cliché scott

It's 2024 :)

What’s the cliche? https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/qatar

[Pauleta14]

All this woke judgemental attitude vs Qatar is as much funny than pathetic :lol

Qatar is a little player vs USA UK France etc (the most vocal about it btw)

Some ppl need to learn the histoy of their country and what they still curently do in the world...

[Mr. Body]

^^^
Qatar tourism bureau/slave society manager

[Pauleta14]

^^^

CIA - MI6 - DGSE

[Chinook]

Qatar is a US ally. The CIA is MUCH more inclined to cover up the human right's abuses of its allies than to expose them. Don't accuse people to not knowing the US's history if you don't understand it yourself.

[TrainOfThought5]

That's pretty much it..

……. *whispers* that sounds like Kawhi.