Woj: Vassell 5/$146M extension

[TD 21]

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[rjv]

yes sir

[spurraider21]

this man went with the "." so he could get the thread in first :lol

[tim_duncan_fan]

Yes. Good to have this done.

Now let's play.

[rjv]

TD was woj on this one, spurraider was shams

[Joseph Kony]

No wonder Keldon looked so mopey today

[BatManu20]

Noice. Now stay healthy please tbh.

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[Chinook]

It's a solid enough deal if Vassell can be a key starter. It shows they likely value him more than Keldon and legit think he might price himself out of this deal with his performance this year. Otherwise it would've made more sense to wait until the summer.

[TD 21]

this man went with the "." so he could get the thread in first :lol

Either that or "this man" literally saw it on "X" as he was logging in here, didn't see it listed, doesn't know how to (or care enough to find out) embed tweets and decided to post it . . . but anything I do is an issue for some of you around here.

[Leetonidas]

Dude must be killing it in practice. Definitely didn't give us a discount:lol

[thiste]

Indeed if he continues to improve this season $29M per is a bargain.

[heyheymymy]

Glad to be all in on Dev

lock him up because I have a good feeling about Vassell rising up I think he will surprise a lot of people and really put it all together

[spurraider21]

Either that or "this man" literally saw it on "X" as he was logging in here, didn't see it listed, doesn't know how to (or care enough to find out) embed tweets and decided to post it . . . but anything I do is an issue for some of you around here.
:lol still so soft

really need to have the admins change your username to RJ 24

[TD 21]

:lol still so soft

really need to have the admins change your username to RJ 24

:lmao Says the guy crying because he didn't get the prestigious honor of starting a thread on a message board.

[stephen jackson]

Thank goodness he’s our second most important

[The Truth #6]

Sounds like they feel his knee is healthy and he's progressing. Excellent news.

[Barfunk]

I really believe we'll have a good team this year. Going out on a limb and saying 45 to maybe even 50+ wins. The mask comes off this season.

[Dejounte]

Yo i thought that was just playful fun. Anyway,

that deal is a little less than Tyler herro, Ingram
above Barrett, Brunson

[DPG21920]

Happy for Dev!

Theres some risk with this deal, but overall it’s nice to have him locked up and glad to see the vote of confidence from SA in Vassell. I love his game and think he’s going to keep leaping so I’m good with it.

But he definitely has to keep improving to make it a solid deal for SA for sure.

[The Truth #6]

Expectations increased with that contract imo.

[TD 21]

Yo i thought that was just playful fun.

That's rich coming from you.

[justinandimcool]

if the cap rises to $170m, he’s at about 17% of the cap

others making around 17% this year:

Wiggins, Simons, Barrett, Clarkson, Rozier, Brooks, Brogdon, Draymond, Aaron Gordon, Bruce Brown


depending on how you feel about Draymond, i think Vassell is better than all of them


and if he is just “okay” under this deal, it’s a pretty moveable contract by the end of it

[heyheymymy]

Vassell on contract extension: “Just know I wanna be a Spur for a long time”

[spurraider21]

will this have the typical structure or is there the possibility that its a declining deal like keldons?

[Stump]

I was expecting they either sign him around $25 mil/year or hold off until next year so they can maximize cap space. This signing seems a little suboptimal, but hopefully it's a sign that the Spurs are pleased with what they see.

[stephen jackson]

I’m just glad he’s staying anyone woulda gave him that money , he can be a borderline all star with wemby

[Dejounte]

That's rich coming from you.
I’m not fighting with you man

[thiste]

https://twitter.com/spurs_muse/status/1708951870679502939

[kobyz]

Is that the max extension?

[spurraider21]

Is that the max extension?
max would have been 5/207 like Bane got

this is about 60 mil less than that

[Mr. Body]

Dude's gonna feast with the room he gets with Wemby on the floor.

[Mugen]

Nice, glad to have him locked up. Hoping for a big season from him.

[Mal]

I hope it's fronloaded to absurd. Good for Vassell

[scott]

Getting Bullock out of here really opened up that spot for Devin to be a big contributor this year…

In all seriousness, fair deal and shows that the Spurs really believe in Dev. I’m a little skeptical of him still, but trust the Spurs opinion way over mine!

Also, a good example of why people freaking out over $25-30MM deals shouldn’t be. That’s the going rate for non All-Stars who are still part of your core these days.

Wonder if this is front loaded, that would be nice.

[Mr. Body]

Getting Bullock out of here really opened up that spot for Devin to be a big contributor this year…

In all seriousness, fair deal and shows that the Spurs really believe in Dev. I’m a little skeptical of him still, but trust the Spurs opinion way over mine!

Also, a good example of why people freaking out over $25-30MM deals shouldn’t be. That’s the going rate for non All-Stars who are still part of your core these days.

Wonder if this is front loaded, that would be nice.

Someone said that 44 players are projected to make more than him after this season.

[scott]

Someone said that 44 players are projected to make more than him after this season.

I don’t recall the specifics that a bunch of us calculated and discussed while contemplating Tyler Herro, but I think it’s not that far off from Danny Green’s deal in terms of % of the cap. The new NBA economy will result in big $$$ figures, but people need to ignore those and look at % of the cap. The average Joe just hears a dollar figure and thinks it’s absurd, almost as though it’s their money.

[scott]

And, as was also pointed out and discussed in the context of Tyler Herro (and Austin Reaves!), a deal like this does not preclude the Spurs from adding a max player while Wemby is on his rookie deal or his (assumed) max rookie extension.

[spurs10]

Glad to see their confidence in Vassell. I can see him being a key piece out there with Wemby.

[spurraider21]

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[exstatic]

Dude must be killing it in practice. Definitely didn't give us a discount:lol

He killed it last year. If he hadn't had the meniscus thing, he would have been in the convo for MIP. He's truly a 3 level scorer.

I think they were afraid to let him go into RFA.

[KobesAchilles]

I’d rather have Austin Reaves. Cheap ass Jeanie wasn’t matching anything

[scott]

Pardon my ignorance on this point - does the extension kick in immediately, or next season (since he had one year left on his rookie deal)? This extension basically locks him up for the first 8 or 9 years of his career?

Max rookie extensions are only 4 years though?

[exstatic]

Pardon my ignorance on this point - does the extension kick in immediately, or next season (since he had one year left on his rookie deal)? This extension basically locks him up for the first 8 or 9 years of his career?

Max rookie extensions are only 4 years though?

Next season.

[spurraider21]

Pardon my ignorance on this point - does the extension kick in immediately, or next season (since he had one year left on his rookie deal)? This extension basically locks him up for the first 8 or 9 years of his career?

Max rookie extensions are only 4 years though?
rookie extensions can now be 5 years, even the non-max ones.

his new deal kicks in during the 24/25 season. he's still under conract for 23/24 season for just under 6 mil. we added 5 new years to it. he's now under contract through the 28-29 season

[spurraider21]

I’d rather have Austin Reaves. Cheap ass Jeanie wasn’t matching anything
low effort

needed better timing and execution, and correct comment to respond to, for a reaves troll comment.

[stephen jackson]

Vassell is ten times better than reaves

[TekXX]

Vassell said "I ain't letting them see another mediocre year" and signed now. Smart on his part.

[TekXX]

Vassell is ten times better than reaves

Cmon let's keep this as close to facts based homerism as possible.

[Robz4000]

:tu

[Biggems]

Vassell is my favorite player on the team. Wemby could take surpass him, but for now it I am huge on Vassell. I was extremely happy when we drafted him and his steady positive progression over the last 3 years.

[JPB]

Expectations increased with that contract imo.

that's the most important point, spurs send a message to Devin. We believe in you, now take the next step and become that second banana.

[stephen jackson]

Cmon let's keep this as close to facts based homerism as possible.
Ok twice as better, reaves is having a run like Jeremy
lin he’s not that what they make him to be , vassell can be Middleton and is part of a championship team reaves can’t be a number two

[JPB]

1708964078293512355

Yeah so that's actually 5/135M minimum. Would have to know the nature of the bonuses.

[wildbill2u]

Vassell on contract extension: “Just know I wanna be a Spur for a long time”

Just a hunch, but I think we will see this sentiment from a lot of current Spurs who want to be part of the Wemby future with the Spurs. Wemby's presence is going to make a lot of contracts easier to negotiate.

[Dejounte]

With that kind of deal, the Spurs are betting on him hard. We have our #2 player or our Manu now, boys and girls. That’s unless someone else blows up during this timeline and earns an even higher payday.

[lefty]

Good

Super 2 way player and he will only get better

[stephen jackson]

Malaki is next he can be a number two on a chip team or amazing 3
wemby Devin and malaki plus role players this can happen

[Spurs Homer]

Seems like they overpaid ...

but maybe he will over- over achieve?

[spurraider21]

if you take last year's offense but his defensive effort from his first 2 seasons... thats already worth tbh (assuming he's on the court)

[CorrectCrusader]

Lets go! So ready for the start of the season.

[rankingtear]

Bane contract set the market. Good news is they are not worried about the knee.

[mo7888]

I like this deal. I like the way the FO is looking forward here. On the Austin Reaves comments I've seen here, and I'm very high on Reaves, he's not nearly as good as Devin can be. So let's that comparison go... I do like the Bane comps much better and I'd much rather have Devin at this number than Bane at his.

I think this team is going to outperform expectations this year.

[Mr. Body]

Gaddam Austin Reaves sneaking into a thread celebrating Devin Vassell. Y'all some kind of fucked up. Seriously. Get help.

[MultiTroll]

Here's hoping his growth rate continues.

Becoming a GNob is a tall task.

[LeBowen]

I expected it to be in $120M region, but it's fine considering our cap situation.
I really expect him to become a borderline all-star this season.

[SpursFan86]

Nice. Think this is a “fair” deal even if he doesn’t develop further, but based on what we’ve seen in spurts I think he has the potential to develop into the type of player that makes this a great deal for us.

Maybe more than anything it’s just exciting to see that the FO believes in him enough to give him this sort of deal. Hate to be the appeal to authority type but I trust them enough to know that they wouldn’t be doing this if they didn’t see some serious potential.

[spurraider21]

Gaddam Austin Reaves sneaking into a thread celebrating Devin Vassell. Y'all some kind of fucked up. Seriously. Get help.
the new scola

[adonis827]

if the cap rises to $170m, he’s at about 17% of the cap

others making around 17% this year:

Wiggins, Simons, Barrett, Clarkson, Rozier, Brooks, Brogdon, Draymond, Aaron Gordon, Bruce Brown


depending on how you feel about Draymond, i think Vassell is better than all of them


and if he is just “okay” under this deal, it’s a pretty moveable contract by the end of it

clarkson who?

Jordan Clarkson has agreed to a three-year, $55 million contract extension to remain with the Utah Jazz, according to The Athletic's Shams
Also, Dillon Brooks signed a reported four-year, $80 million deal with the Houston Rockets on July 8

From among the list, Wiggins and Gordon are legit champ contributors though worse than number 2 guys. I wouldn't say yet Devin is better but we like our own. I would have liked 4 / $100 but 5 / $135 is only about $2 per year overpay plus the extra fifth year.

[CGD]

I like this deal. I like the way the FO is looking forward here. On the Austin Reaves comments I've seen here, and I'm very high on Reaves, he's not nearly as good as Devin can be. So let's that comparison go... I do like the Bane comps much better and I'd much rather have Devin at this number than Bane at his.

I think this team is going to outperform expectations this year.

Say nothing of the fact Devon is 2.5 years younger.

Great deal. Super happy for Devon. One of my favorite Spurs.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Nice that there is no 5th year player option like so many 5 year deals have. It could indicate that it is front end loaded or flat.

[KobesAchilles]

the new scola
you underestimate this board’s intelligence. It worked :lol

[rankingtear]

This is 4 years past the new tv deal. First non max rookie 5 year extension. I thought he would get 25 easy, +2 mil per for an extra 5th year is a bargain.

[John B]

Happy for this guy. I’m sure he was beasting it in practice, and Pop commented how so different Devin is now as far as getting stronger, demanding the ball. I really think Devin will be Spurs leading scorer next season, and possibly 1st option while they transition Wemby to NBA. Keldon feeling the pressure to match the production. Those 3 will be Spurs 1st 3 options. I can’t wait.

[tbdog]

No options is handy to have. He is locked in. Also on another note, I think he'll be defending pgs this season and Sochan will be the starting pg. I feel vassell struggles defending sfs and large 2s. Just my observations.

[KingKev]

I’m not mad at this. Not everyone takes a team discount but he better start consistently playing on the other side of the ball to justify this.

[Dejounte]

With Vassell featured more, it lessens Keldon’s responsibility to create his own shots. With less attention on Keldon, he’s in a position to excel more and thrive on open shot opportunities. I think those two complement each other well and if Keldon really is improved on defense, then this will be a good year.

[Mugen]

What's with the hometown discount talk? No young guy should ever take a discount on their first big NBA contract. And especially not for a team that won 22 games the year prior :lol

[td4mvp2k]

good to see him back for the future but they must think he will continue to improve with this deal otherwise if he has a season like he did last it will be an overpay and it wouldnt be the first time this front office has done so.

[exstatic]

I’m not mad at this. Not everyone takes a team discount but he better start consistently playing on the other side of the ball to justify this.

He took a $50M team discount.

[Mr. Body]

What's with the hometown discount talk? No young guy should ever take a discount on their first big NBA contract. And especially not for a team that won 22 games the year prior :lol

It's seriously unlikely that Devin Vassell will ever improve again.

[couchman]

This tells me the team believes the knee issue is behind him.
Vassell also said during his media day that his knee feels great and he seemed genuinely unconcerned about it.
If healthy then Vassell is likely our leading scorer this year.

[MI21]

Excellent, 5/$135M with no options for a young, clear starter quality player with potential is perfectly fine.

[daslicer]

In my eyes his ceiling is Allan Houston. If he can become Allan Houston, then this is a good deal. If he doesn't reach that level, then this is a overpay.

[Ariel]

He took a $50M team discount.
:lol No he didn't. His current deal is over what I expected but FAIR under the circumstances. $50M more would have been INSANE, he might (hopefully) prove himself worth that much eventually, but certainly didn't do so thus far.

[EricB]

And, as was also pointed out and discussed in the context of Tyler Herro (and Austin Reaves!), a deal like this does not preclude the Spurs from adding a max player while Wemby is on his rookie deal or his (assumed) max rookie extension.

still projected to have 50-60 million in cap space this summer.

so yeah they can add.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

A bit on the high end, but the fact they're doing it now, instead of waiting for next summer and using the lower cap hold, shows they believe he could be worth significantly more, which is reassuring as their talent evaluation is generally spot on.

Great that there are incentives and no options for the full 5 years. With the rising cap by year 3/4 this deal will look even better. Looks like the actual numbers would be around : 23, 25, 27, 29, 31, add a couple of mil of incentives for each year.

[illusioNtEk]

With all the pressure being on Wemby for the next 20+ years... this is a solid deal for him. Great job to the Spurs Brass!

[John B]

This tells me the team believes the knee issue is behind him.
Vassell also said during his media day that his knee feels great and he seemed genuinely unconcerned about it.
If healthy then Vassell is likely our leading scorer this year.

I think he got hurt but was over exaggerated the extent for obvious reason to tank

[Proxy]

TD was woj on this one, spurraider was shams
kinda like how users on reddit post a shitty highlight with no replays just so they reap the karma first

[Proxy]

I’d rather have Austin Reaves. Cheap ass Jeanie wasn’t matching anything
https://media.tenor.com/7wvKN44Fs20AAAAC/picard-no.gif

[Bruno]

First and obvious reaction is: that's a lot of money.

To me, a key to understand it is the new TV deal that will start in 2025. NBA is said to look at more than the double of their current deal and if they succeed at getting that, the cap will raise by 10% each year for the foreseeable future. I wonder how sure a team like Spurs are we will be in that scenario?

For reference the cap is at $136M and the luxury tax is at $165M this year. In 2028-2029, which will be the last year of Vassell new contract, the cap might be at $219M and the luxury tax at $266M. In that scenario, a player paid around $30M per year has a lot less impact on the flexibility of a team.

[Mr. Body]

I'm old enough to remember users freaking out that Jakob Poeltl's contact was too high. Turned out to be an huge bargain.

[tbdog]

I've always maintained that vassell could be pacers Paul George. Very similar game. But 2 inches shorter.

[Dejounte]

I've always maintained that vassell could be pacers Paul George. Very similar game. But 2 inches shorter.

Nothing alike, imo. Vassell is nowhere near as explosive, doesnt have the same passing ability, and weaker ball handling

[mudyez]

More like a Kris Middleton with a little better defensive potential (in a good case scenario).

[Mr. Body]

Nothing alike, imo. Vassell is nowhere near as explosive, doesnt have the same passing ability, and weaker ball handling

It took a few years for Paul George to become Paul George. But I agree - they're not the same mold to me. George is clearly a strong SF while Vassell is a lanky SG.

[Dejounte]

The biggest concern to me is that if he sticks to his shot creating role, that he bogs down the offense with his high tendency to look for his midrange pull up jumper. Sometimes he looks like DeMar out there with the way the ball sticks and he’s handling it for too long or looking for his own shot too much. Pop is right, if his increased strength leads to more free throws then none of what I said is an issue.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/x6ZIZzzjFRM?feature=shared

i see similarities here also. If Rip played in this era, maybe it would be exactly like Devin Vassell. Rip barely shot threes back then, while Devin shoots a lot of them

[Mr. Body]

https://youtu.be/x6ZIZzzjFRM?feature=shared

i see similarities here also. If Rip played in this era, maybe it would be exactly like Devin Vassell. Rip barely shot threes back then, while Devin shoots a lot of them

I see Rip Hamilton in Malaki's curls into the lane.

[CGD]

I see Rip Hamilton in Malaki's curls into the lane.

That would be something. Malaki had a long way to go though.

[John B]

I see Rip Hamilton in Malaki's curls into the lane.

I can see that. RIP was a prolific scorer and seemingly with ease, like Malaki does. Agree it’s a long way to go. In one of the interviews, somebody mentioned Malaki as someone who has really improved this Summer (and also grew and inch or two but that’s for another take). With Champagnie, Doug, Graham and possibly Keldon, this could be a very deep bench. Add in Mamu and Bassey’s passing and it would be very fun to watch!

[spurraider21]

:lol

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[Dverde]

Part of me loves that players are using this Vassell contract as a club to smack other front offices. Many of these player will not be nearly as good as Vassell, but their clubs have to given the Vassell bag to keep them happy.

[Ocotillo]

That will put Minny in the luxury tax. If they disappoint this year, they may have a sale this coming summer.

[Mr. Body]

That will put Minny in the luxury tax. If they disappoint this year, they may have a sale this coming summer.

I'd shop KAT, but I would have years ago. With Conley getting old, and I think in the last year of his contract, trading for a PG like Trae or Dejounte would be a good idea.

[spurraider21]

I'd shop KAT, but I would have years ago. With Conley getting old, and I think in the last year of his contract, trading for a PG like Trae or Dejounte would be a good idea.
KAT has his question marks, and is 27, not just some kid anymore. but it would be a really big goof if they end up having to sell him off because off the gobert trade

[Mr. Body]

KAT has his question marks, and is 27, not just some kid anymore. but it would be a really big goof if they end up having to sell him off because off the gobert trade

I've never believed in him. He's always been a weak ass Kentucky center. He's ludicrously expensive now and is a failure in the playoffs. I don't understand why he's still valued the way he is. I'd get a nice guard and flexibility.

[spurraider21]

I've never believed in him. He's always been a weak ass Kentucky center. He's ludicrously expensive now and is a failure in the playoffs. I don't understand why he's still valued the way he is. I'd get a nice guard and flexibility.
my spider sense keeps telling me there will be a Trae/KAT swap

[Mugen]

Still need a healthy, big season from Devin to say it's a slam dunk but yeah I'd rather pay him that money than McDaniels (who I also really like tbh).

I'd be shocked if KAT is on the Wolves next year as it would mean they made a really deep playoff run.

[RC_Drunkford]

Jaden McDaniels is nowhere near the player Devin is

[Fizziksman]

Hopefully he takes the next leap

[Fizziksman]

:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

[Dejounte]

I've always maintained that vassell could be pacers Paul George. Very similar game. But 2 inches shorter.

it took me five seconds to find this one DAF86

and there are plenty more aside from this one

[Frenchfred]

If he continues to play at that level, for sure that is an expensive contract taking a lot of space for the future. I think that he has the potential to be good but right now he lacks consistency.

[Spurs Homer]

Waste of money

[SouthernFryd]

Catching up on Spurs moves. Helps me to see why they are sucking so much.

[spurraider21]

really hoping his game would have taken another step this year, but he looks basically the same as last year including the regressed defense

[SpurSpike]

I never saw why he deserved more than Keldon or DeJounte on his 1st contract extension. I said it when it happened that Vassell hasn't proved to be worth that money yet. I was hoping he would prove me wrong but he seems like the same injury prone okish player he was last year.

[spurraider21]

I never saw why he deserved more than Keldon or DeJounte on his 1st contract extension. I said it when it happened that Vassell hasn't proved to be worth that money yet. I was hoping he would prove me wrong but he seems like the same injury prone okish player he was last year.
dejounte got his extension after only playing 2 seasons where he was meh. apparently looked like a different player in camp in year 3, looked good in preseason but also tore his ACL. they took a pretty big gamble on him and paid him as though he had a breakout season.

another part of it is just rising cap, so the numbers are never going to look the same

[Leetonidas]

really hoping his game would have taken another step this year, but he looks basically the same as last year including the regressed defense

Agree. And not only that but for as much as they paid him he really doesn't do anything besides score. If he's having an off shooting night he basically does nothing else. Doesn't playmake much. Doesn't make those impact plays like White did. He does nothing off ball. He rarely is able to beat his man and constantly takes step backs or fadeaways. He also forgot how to play defense after his rookie season. Contract isnt looking good at all thus far

[Mikeanaro]

Pssss overpaid as hell, is this a joke?
Barely decent player sure, but 146M?
Lonzo Ball without his dad and the stupid publicity stunts.

[offset formation]

I’m not mad at this. Not everyone takes a team discount but he better start consistently playing on the other side of the ball to justify this.

Update: He hasn't.

Admission: I was once amongst his biggest supporters and approving of him being our draft pick. I think playing with Wemby has exposed the weaknesses in his game. Not ready to entirely give up on him but he's starting to look like a bit of a ball hawk (certainly not in the vane of Spurs recent pass happy history) unaware he's playing with EZBuckets on his team. Worst yet, he doesn't appear to be even close to a defensive anchor.

[rankingtear]

Any team would pay Devin that money if he were a free agent next offseason.

[Tyronn Lue]

Any team would pay Devin that money if he were a free agent next offseason.
Except the Spurs. They probably wouldn't make that same move knowing what they know.

[Robz4000]

:tu

:td

[gambit1990]

Pssss overpaid as hell, is this a joke?
Barely decent player sure, but 146M?
Lonzo Ball without his dad and the stupid publicity stunts.
huh? a healthy lonzo + wemby would be pretty fun to watch tbh.

[rankingtear]

Except the Spurs. They probably wouldn't make that same move knowing what they know.

What do they know now?

[Raven]

he's honestly getting worse and worse. That shot selection is just dogshit

[The Truth #6]

VW isn't the only player that really needs a point guard. DV is a good shooter but yeah he's forcing things. I think they overpaid but I can acknowledge that this team lacks leadership and direction and players have to get their stats, knowing the uncertainty on the team and their uncertain status long-term. They easily are listening to their agents more than the coach.

[Mugen]

Just needs a good coach tbh

[bluebellmaniac]

Just needs a good coach tbh

Shut yo' mouth!

[Tyronn Lue]

What do they know now?
There's no reason to pay a lot for any one person just to win 4 of 26 games.

[SpurSpike]

Fantasy shows him as game time decision... again... due to an illness so I can understand this one but he missed alot this year already!

[scott]

Only a projected 13% of the cap in the last year of the deal… hopefully at a minimum he’ll improve enough to be a positive trade asset.

[Extra Stout]

Fans hoped Devin Vassell could be a Sean Elliott, but he’s at most a Willie Anderson.

[scott]

Per the ESPN trade inventory primer article that just dropped, Vassell has some kind of poison pill provision built into his contract. I was not aware of this previously, does anyone have details?

[Obstructed_View]

Fans hoped Devin Vassell could be a Sean Elliott, but he’s at most a Willie Anderson.
People have a flawed memory of Sean Elliott. He was not an aggressive shooter. In fact, he wasn't aggressive at all. He was a pretty good defender but he was a monster in college and never lived up to his talent.

Right now Vassell is putting up Elliott numbers.

[SpurSpike]

This article explains the poison pill provision well.
http://https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/11/14-players-affected-by-poison-pill-provision-in-2023-24.html (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/11/14-players-affected-by-poison-pill-provision-in-2023-24.html)

[rankingtear]

There's no reason to pay a lot for any one person just to win 4 of 26 games.

How do you build your roster then?

[spurraider21]

People have a flawed memory of Sean Elliott. He was not an aggressive shooter. In fact, he wasn't aggressive at all. He was a pretty good defender but he was a monster in college and never lived up to his talent.

Right now Vassell is putting up Elliott numbers.
gotta adjust for score inflation

[CGD]

People have a flawed memory of Sean Elliott. He was not an aggressive shooter. In fact, he wasn't aggressive at all. He was a pretty good defender but he was a monster in college and never lived up to his talent.

Right now Vassell is putting up Elliott numbers.

Yes, Sean could be a frustrating player when he was passive, which happened more than one would have liked. The Memorial Day Miracle and overcoming the Kidney issue redefined his narrative.

[SupremeGuy]

Yes, Sean could be a frustrating player when he was passive, which happened more than one would have liked. The Memorial Day Miracle and overcoming the Kidney issue redefined his narrative.Slightly agree tbh.

[The Truth #6]

Resigning Vassell made sense but seems like a disconnect to give him so much money only to tank or, whatever is going on. To me, it's one of the stranger aspects of the off season in combination with not addressing the point guard concerns. The FO moves slowly so it may only make sense in a year or two, though that's probably being charitable until we see what they do in the summer.

[CGD]

Resigning Vassell made sense but seems like a disconnect to give him so much money only to tank or, whatever is going on. To me, it's one of the stranger aspects of the off season in combination with not addressing the point guard concerns. The FO moves slowly so it may only make sense in a year or two, though that's probably being charitable until we see what they do in the summer.

I think they still like him, but if it goes sideways he’ll become one of those nice “young cost controlled players” on their second contract that everyone seems to want in trades. In fact, between him, Keldon, Tre, and Zach, the spurs have amassed a nice little stable of those guys. Good asset management to be honest.

[FkLA]

He's been giving off bad shot taker/shot maker, empty calories vibes for weeks now. Doesn't playmake. Doesn't try to break down a defense for any other purpose than to get his shot off.

[scott]

I think they still like him, but if it goes sideways he’ll become one of those nice “young cost controlled players” on their second contract that everyone seems to want in trades. In fact, between him, Keldon, Tre, and Zach, the spurs have amassed a nice little stable of those guys. Good asset management to be honest.

I hope so... but he has essentially the same contract as Herro, who's deal is seen as cumbersome. There was a healthy debate in the off-season about maybe bringing Herro in. At the time, I felt he was better than Vassell. Today, I feel like the are pretty close but Herro has the added benefit of experience on a winning team. Devin remains a ball of potential with nothing but experience on a proven loser.

[Obstructed_View]

Yes, Sean could be a frustrating player when he was passive, which happened more than one would have liked. The Memorial Day Miracle and overcoming the Kidney issue redefined his narrative.
The MDM was a heat check. It wqs the only time he was ever aggressive and I thought it was a terrible shot until it went in.

[BackHome]

People have a flawed memory of Sean Elliott. He was not an aggressive shooter. In fact, he wasn't aggressive at all. He was a pretty good defender but he was a monster in college and never lived up to his talent.

Right now Vassell is putting up Elliott numbers.

But my concern is he is putting up the same numbers but being on a terrible team while Sean was playing with All Stars. He should be feasting with his skills but he is not and probably the other issue is his defense was one of his draft calling cards I have no idea where it went?

[z0sa]

The MDM was a heat check. It wqs the only time he was ever aggressive and I thought it was a terrible shot until it went in.

100%

Clutch is as clutch does.

[Raven]

I hope so... but he has essentially the same contract as Herro, who's deal is seen as cumbersome. There was a healthy debate in the off-season about maybe bringing Herro in. At the time, I felt he was better than Vassell. Today, I feel like the are pretty close but Herro has the added benefit of carrying a winning team. Devin remains a ball of potential with nothing but experience on a proven loser.
fify

[TheGreatYacht]

What an awful fucking contract, wow. This dude is just another low IQ hero baller who doesn’t defend.

[Degoat]

When I wanted Herro everyone talked about his poor contract now we have one with Vassell lol

[NASpurs]

What an awful fucking contract, wow. This dude is just another low IQ hero baller who doesn’t defend.

Wasn't he drafted because of his ability to be a 3 and D player? Wtf happened to his D? :lol

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He chunks up 3s and doesn't attack the basket like he needs to be doing. And his D is non-existent at times. Getting close to being done with him like I am with Keldon.

[The Truth #6]

Keldon has good skills in different ways but low bbiq. Vassell in contrast seemed like a hard worker who honed his offensive skills, and his technique is way better now, but looks like a limited player if his shot isn't falling. But then again, the positive team morale of last year looks gone and this has to affect their performance. Pop typically was able to keep the troops happy but I don't sense any of that. It's like the team is just as flabbergasted at how bad they are as the fans. So much momentum and positive energy that has evaporated. Even if tanking is a good strategy, ruining team chemistry is not. It's hard for anyone to defend Pop right now because he's passively existing while the team gets killed.

[Ditty]

I think DV might be the only player worth a damn (outside Wemby) on the current roster that may stick around when the Spurs are competitive again. I get how annoying his offensive inconsistency is and how he has the tools to be at least good perimeter defender in the league but just hasn't "got it" yet.

[scott]

Keldon has good skills in different ways but low bbiq. Vassell in contrast seemed like a hard worker who honed his offensive skills, and his technique is way better now, but looks like a limited player if his shot isn't falling. But then again, the positive team morale of last year looks gone and this has to affect their performance. Pop typically was able to keep the troops happy but I don't sense any of that. It's like the team is just as flabbergasted at how bad they are as the fans. So much momentum and positive energy that has evaporated. Even if tanking is a good strategy, ruining team chemistry is not. It's hard for anyone to defend Pop right now because he's passively existing while the team gets killed.

While I agree with all of this, I’ll add that everything about Devin exudes a player who believes he is an alpha, when the reality is he’s just one of the few guys on a terrible team with NBA skills, which that alone does not make an alpha in this league. I don’t see anything resembling leadership out of him, and neither the effort or execution are there on the defensive end.

There was a decent amount of debate this summer on Devin vs. Herro. In turns out, their on-court performance is pretty similar, they both miss games, they both have similar contracts. The differences, from my POV:



Devin thinks he is the star of the team whereas Herro recognizes that he’s the third option
Devin is being developed in a culture of losing, whereas Herro has developed in a winning one
You add those two together, and you have Devin - who plays like his only purpose is to pad his stats - compared to Herro, who plays like his purpose is to help the team win.


Who knows if we ever could have participated in a Lillard to Miami deal that landed us Herro and cost us Devin… but if we did, we should have done that.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Vassell is laughing all the way to the bank. He's stinking it up this year.



Lonnie Walker is like "da fuck?" He can chuck bad shots and not defend as much as Vassell this year, and he's fighting for his meals at this point in his career.

[SpurSpike]

Hero is proving to be worth the money and has improved in almost every category this year. Vassell has regressed and is worse in almost every category this year.

[tbdog]

Hero can and will have his roll reduce as the playoffs get deeper. Vassell game archetype technically stays the same.

[Russo21]

146 million and he can't afford a decent hairdresser. That mop is hideous

[Kurgan]

Should have drafted Haliburton. There isn't a single thing Devin does better on a basketball court. Even his defense is overrated

[TDMVPDPOY]

theres only 1 hero....


he cant take that title from enrique

[Harry Callahan]

The Spurs still had DJM and DW when the 2021 draft took place. Halliburton would have been drafting another point. That made no sense.......

I find it weird that Derrick White can stay on the count now unlike his 4 + years in San Antonio.

[baseline bum]

He chunks up 3s and doesn't attack the basket like he needs to be doing. And his D is non-existent at times. Getting close to being done with him like I am with Keldon.

It doesn't make any sense to put Vassell in the same class as Johnson defensively and I hate when Spurstalk paints with such a broad brush. The defensive failures of this team just are not Vassell's fault. He holds his man to 46.1% shooting, good for top ~40% or so in the league. Outside of Pop, this team's defensive failures rest largely on Johnson (52%), Branham (57.4% JFC), Sochan (50.1%), Osman (51.7%), and Collins (51%). Sochan's 50.1% is already around the bottom third of the league. Branham might be the worst starter I can ever recall on this team.

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It doesn't make any sense to put Vassell in the same class as Johnson defensively and I hate when Spurstalk paints with such a broad brush. The defensive failures of this team just are not Vassell's fault. He holds his man to 46.1% shooting, good for top ~40% or so in the league. Outside of Pop, this team's defensive failures rest largely on Johnson (52%), Branham (57.4% JFC), Sochan (50.1%), Osman (51.7%), and Collins (51%). Sochan's 50.1% is already around the bottom third of the league. Branham might be the worst starter I can ever recall on this team.

Where's the broad brush? I was among his biggest fans before and after he was drafted. However, what I've seen from him this year is a troubling decline in effort which is why I said his defensive effort was "non-existent at times."

He deserves to be compared to Keldon on the whole because although his defense is obviously better when engaged he is increasingly unreliable as a on ball defender.

[spurraider21]

Hero is proving to be worth the money and has improved in almost every category this year. Vassell has regressed and is worse in almost every category this year.
I was among the few here saying it was easily worth a first to get Herro

herro/Vassell backcourt would be somethin

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1743769417974956404

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1743784658079478152

[CGD]

^ they sure as hell look hard. Hoping he learns how to draw contact and to the line as his next development goal.

[rankingtear]

Devin is a deep playoff guy for a while now.

[Fireball]

He has to work awfully hard to get buckets ... what happens? of course you try to catch your breath on D ...

[RC_Drunkford]

He's better than a lot of people here think. He's just getting used to getting to his spots and creating shots for himself, he'll only get better at it. Before he was more of an catch-and-shoot guy, which means once we get a real PG he will really shine and his efficiency will go through the roof since he's pretty efficient at making tough shots already. Defensively his strength has always been more team defense than individual D, so again it will look much better when he's surrounded with a better supporting cast.

[sananspursfan21]

My only beef with him is that he doesn’t draw enough fouls for his playing style. A guy like him should be at the line 5 or 6 times a night consistently.

[Pauleta14]

I keep thinking we should sell high...

He'd be deadly fo a contender with a limited role

He's not Wemby compatible imo, poor court vision and passing won't change like that and we can get A LOT for him + picks

[Russo21]

I keep thinking we should sell high...

He'd be deadly fo a contender with a limited role

He's not Wemby compatible imo, poor court vision and passing won't change like that and we can get A LOT for him + picks

+1 i think we should sell too. At this stage everybody should be in the mix for being moved who isn't Wemby compatible. He's the future and everybody needs to be able to play off him

[John B]

Working out with KD last summer helped gave him that scorer’s attitude, not shying away and ready to take over, which is great as Spurs needed to replace the Big 3. It’s just recognition of Wemby as the “head of snake,” but we are starting to see more conscious effort to find Wemby. Keldon embracing the Manu role is crucial, the team-first sacrifice which could be real hard for younger players trying to make their mark.

But I was hoping that Sochan can develop into that defensive catalyst that spurs always have in their championship runs, Sean Ninja Elliot, Bruce Bowen, Danny Green/Kawhi. Alas Pop was trying to make him more of a Boris Diaw connector which he is failing miserably. I rather Sochan getting faster laterally on his feet staying in front, and play a 3 and D. He is athletic enough and his catch-and-shoot 3’s are deadly. I know they need a starting PG (I prefer a vet from FA/trade and maybe a PG for the TOR pick). That leaves a PF/C for Spurs 1st pick Risacher or even Sarr. (I am starting to think Sochan is too small for that position and should play a 3-and-D SF).

CP3 / Topic / Tre
Vassell / Champagnie
Sochan / Keldon
Sarr or Risacher / Collins
Wemby / Bassey

I think Wemby would prefer the Spurs to be really competitive next year, and that would require a veteran PG next year. I wouldn’t be opposed to CP3 next year throwing those lob passes to Wemby and Sarr :lol, while having Topic as his PG-in-training.

[Pauleta14]

Even if I had doubts at some point, I don't think he consciously avoided passing to Wemby, just that he can't either for technical reasons (he sees the risk of TO more than the success of the pass) or just because he doesn't see it, the same way Wesley or Chanpagnie didn't see OBVIOUS passes that the whole arena saw last game.

He's a very good player, it's not a hit on him and again he'd be amazing for a contender, but his salary, his limitations and the timming aren't compatible with "project Wemby" and make him the most valuable asset The Spurs have to improve with ones more compatible.

[spurraider21]

lol at selling Vassell for picks

[CGD]

^ I think Dev is here to stay, at least through this contract. For now they see him as the perfect partner for VW’s first 3-4 year stretch in the NBA.

[Pauleta14]

I did't say just for picks, I said ADDED TO picks

[RC_Drunkford]

I keep thinking we should sell high...

He'd be deadly fo a contender with a limited role

He's not Wemby compatible imo, poor court vision and passing won't change like that and we can get A LOT for him + picks

he's totally compatible to Wemby cause he can play off ball. That would be the dumbest thing the FO can possibly do.

[cd021]

^ they sure as hell look hard. Hoping he learns how to draw contact and to the line as his next development goal.

Attacking the basket and drawing contact would be nice but I would like to see him become more of a passer. He tends to get tunnel vision when he has the ball and doesn't even look to pass to Wembanyama when they play together.

[Pauleta14]

he's totally compatible to Wemby cause he can play off ball. That would be the dumbest thing the FO can possibly do.

1- I’m not saying we HAVE TO trade him nor that he sucks. He has ONE huge skill but he’s below average in too many other areas that I can’t see him getting suddenly better at.

2- it’s a combinaison of multiple factors that leads me to this conclusion, not just one , his salary, his fragility and passing/court vison

3- if we want to really improve the roster we can’t just rely on draft picks, Keldon has a cheap contract, still young and improving and has a perfect profile to bring juice off the bench imo
so Vassel ends up being the most valuable asset we have by default.

4- Again I’m not hating, Vassel is a good kid with great shooting talent and I think that both parties can win out of a trade bc he’d be deadly in a limited shooting role for a contender.

[rascal]

Too inconsistent to be counted on as a reliable 2nd scoring or even 3rd scoring option.

Isn't quick enough/athletic enough to beat his man to get uncontested shots off. Doesn't seem interested in working on the defensive end.

[rascal]

Attacking the basket and drawing contact would be nice but I would like to see him become more of a passer. He tends to get tunnel vision when he has the ball and doesn't even look to pass to Wembanyama when they play together.

He isn't quick enough to beat his man and get to the basket.

[SouthernFryd]

1- I’m not saying we HAVE TO trade him nor that he sucks. He has ONE huge skill but he’s below average in too many other areas that I can’t see him getting suddenly better at.

2- it’s a combinaison of multiple factors that leads me to this conclusion, not just one , his salary, his fragility and passing/court vison

3- if we want to really improve the roster we can’t just rely on draft picks, Keldon has a cheap contract, still young and improving and has a perfect profile to bring juice off the bench imo
so Vassel ends up being the most valuable asset we have by default.

4- Again I’m not hating, Vassel is a good kid with great shooting talent and I think that both parties can win out of a trade bc he’d be deadly in a limited shooting role for a contender.

Nails it.

Great scorer, who doesn't make anyone else around him better. He doesn't see the court. For a premier scorer, his BBIQ is pretty low. With everyone in the NBA these days focused on one thing, scoring, he'd make great trade bait.

[spurraider21]

I did't say just for picks, I said ADDED TO picks
My bad. I still wouldn’t move an ascending player on a 5 year deal yet to kick in

[spurraider21]

He isn't quick enough to beat his man and get to the basket.
He’s strong and lengthy enough and a crafty finisher even if he hasn’t completely blown by

[RC_Drunkford]

1- I’m not saying we HAVE TO trade him nor that he sucks. He has ONE huge skill but he’s below average in too many other areas that I can’t see him getting suddenly better at.

2- it’s a combinaison of multiple factors that leads me to this conclusion, not just one , his salary, his fragility and passing/court vison

3- if we want to really improve the roster we can’t just rely on draft picks, Keldon has a cheap contract, still young and improving and has a perfect profile to bring juice off the bench imo
so Vassel ends up being the most valuable asset we have by default.

4- Again I’m not hating, Vassel is a good kid with great shooting talent and I think that both parties can win out of a trade bc he’d be deadly in a limited shooting role for a contender.

1- What areas is he below average in?

True shooting % 30th out of 102 SGs
PER 19th out of 102 SGs
Turnover Ratio 14th out of 102 SGs
Steals per Game 14th out of 92 SGs
FT attempts 22nd out of 96 SGs
Rebounds per game 36th out of 92 SGs
Assists per game 25th out of 92 SGs

so he's basically above average in every facet of the game, but you don't think so cause he's not averaging 8 assists to Wemby.

2- His passing/court vision is not an issue since he's an SG. The only reason you are bringing this up is because this team doesn't have a PG.

He's on a great long term contract, so I don't understand your point here.

3- that's exactly why we shouldn't trade our 2nd best player

4- Guess what, the Spurs are trying to become a contender in a couple of years

[rascal]

1- What areas is he below average in?

True shooting % 30th out of 102 SGs
PER 19th out of 102 SGs
Turnover Ratio 14th out of 102 SGs
Steals per Game 14th out of 92 SGs
FT attempts 22nd out of 96 SGs
Rebounds per game 36th out of 92 SGs
Assists per game 25th out of 92 SGs

so he's basically above average in every facet of the game, but you don't think so cause he's not averaging 8 assists to Wemby.

2- His passing/court vision is not an issue since he's an SG. The only reason you are bringing this up is because this team doesn't have a PG.

He's on a great long term contract, so I don't understand your point here.

3- that's exactly why we shouldn't trade our 2nd best player

4- Guess what, the Spurs are trying to become a contender in a couple of years

How does he compare with only starters? Any starter will come up with good numbers compared with bench players on limited minutes.

[scott]

There is definitely still some Devin Vassell still to be unlocked. Once we have a real PG who can set up the offense, and Sochan in a different role where he doesn’t aimlessly run around messing up spacing, he’s going to make a leap.

The other big thing, is for Devin himself to show a little more basketball smarts. He just takes so many bad shots. I’m not sure if it’s because of his BBIQ, or because of the PG issue. My guess is that it’s both.

[Pauleta14]

1- What areas is he below average in?

True shooting % 30th out of 102 SGs
PER 19th out of 102 SGs
Turnover Ratio 14th out of 102 SGs
Steals per Game 14th out of 92 SGs
FT attempts 22nd out of 96 SGs
Rebounds per game 36th out of 92 SGs
Assists per game 25th out of 92 SGs

so he's basically above average in every facet of the game, but you don't think so cause he's not averaging 8 assists to Wemby.

2- His passing/court vision is not an issue since he's an SG. The only reason you are bringing this up is because this team doesn't have a PG.

He's on a great long term contract, so I don't understand your point here.

3- that's exactly why we shouldn't trade our 2nd best player

4- Guess what, the Spurs are trying to become a contender in a couple of years

1- I told u what areas. Not those u talk about …
It’s not about statistics as much as eye test. It’s more about intent that success

2- it is an issue when the goal is for everybody to share the ball and when ur highest paid player has difficulties doing it.

3- unless his salary doesn’t match his production. CBA had more impact on the contract than his productions + we need more than draft picks to trade.

4- yes and I’m not sure Vassel should be part of the rebuilding process considering all the above points.

[SouthernFryd]

Spurs at the top of the list with "assists"

And at the bottom of the league in "Wins"

Think about it.

Vassells assists, like everyone elses assists on the Spurs, is because the Spurs don't move the ball much. You pass it once, and it's probably going up...good shot or not. That's the type of "assists" we get that don't translate into wins.

Vassell has quick hands and gets some steals, which is cool. But, his actual man on man defense and floor positioning on Defense sucks.

He doesn't break down the Defense on drives to get assists, like Manu did...he does it so he can score. Doesn't look to make anyone better. His offense positioning doesn't involve helping anyone else on the team.

You never see him setting picks for others. He's always running around trying to get open at the 3 point line...just like everyone else on the Spurs. Basically, the entire team camps out at the 3 point line. It's comical when you start paying attention to it. Everyone is trying to get open for a 3. It's f'ing ridiculous.

He's great scorer.

That's what everyone in the NBA is looking for right now. His trade value is high. So, if you're like every other dumbass in the NBA and you just want another 3 point shooter, which the Spurs seem to fall into that camp these days...they'll probably keep Vassell.

The SPURS are pretty much unwatchable because of that mentality. The ONLY reason to watch the SPURS, is to see WEMBY highlights. Which are off the charts. I feel for the guy tho. Pop is screwing with his entire career...and NOT for the better.

[Pauleta14]

^ Perfectly put

[Sugus]

1- What areas is he below average in?

True shooting % 30th out of 102 SGs
PER 19th out of 102 SGs
Turnover Ratio 14th out of 102 SGs
Steals per Game 14th out of 92 SGs
FT attempts 22nd out of 96 SGs
Rebounds per game 36th out of 92 SGs
Assists per game 25th out of 92 SGs

so he's basically above average in every facet of the game, but you don't think so cause he's not averaging 8 assists to Wemby.

2- His passing/court vision is not an issue since he's an SG. The only reason you are bringing this up is because this team doesn't have a PG.

He's on a great long term contract, so I don't understand your point here.

3- that's exactly why we shouldn't trade our 2nd best player

4- Guess what, the Spurs are trying to become a contender in a couple of years

Thank you, thank you for bringing some fucking numbers into the discussion. Feels like I'm taking crazy pills whenever Vassell is discussed here. He'll look fucking great with an actual PG and team structure, hopefully as soon as next year.

[KobesAchilles]

Thank you, thank you for bringing some fucking numbers into the discussion. Feels like I'm taking crazy pills whenever Vassell is discussed here. He'll look fucking great with an actual PG and team structure, hopefully as soon as next year.
Structure isn’t built by the point guard though. It’s built by the organization. Pop has zero structure to our players and it’s killing their development. Victor should be shooting above 44%. Hell he should have 8 freebie points a game on lobs and dunks alone. But there’s zero structure to get those. It’s not even having a PG either, we aren’t focused on that with him. Vassell shouldn’t be leading the league in hardest attempts per game with his shots, but there’s zero structure to get him the ball in easy spots or wide open looks. For some reason, Pop hasn’t figured out that by playing through Wemby, the dude will give open shots to his teammates. Having a PG next year isn’t going to change that. Hell Sochan wasted his entire second year bc of Pop not having structure.

It’s 100% on Pop. All of this shit is on Pop. He needs to go. Even if we draft Topic or Collier or Dilly. Pop needs to go.

[CGD]

Spurs at the top of the list with "assists"

And at the bottom of the league in "Wins"

Think about it.

Vassells assists, like everyone elses assists on the Spurs, is because the Spurs don't move the ball much. You pass it once, and it's probably going up...good shot or not. That's the type of "assists" we get that don't translate into wins.

Vassell has quick hands and gets some steals, which is cool. But, his actual man on man defense and floor positioning on Defense sucks.

He doesn't break down the Defense on drives to get assists, like Manu did...he does it so he can score. Doesn't look to make anyone better. His offense positioning doesn't involve helping anyone else on the team.

You never see him setting picks for others. He's always running around trying to get open at the 3 point line...just like everyone else on the Spurs. Basically, the entire team camps out at the 3 point line. It's comical when you start paying attention to it. Everyone is trying to get open for a 3. It's f'ing ridiculous.

He's great scorer.

That's what everyone in the NBA is looking for right now. His trade value is high. So, if you're like every other dumbass in the NBA and you just want another 3 point shooter, which the Spurs seem to fall into that camp these days...they'll probably keep Vassell.

The SPURS are pretty much unwatchable because of that mentality. The ONLY reason to watch the SPURS, is to see WEMBY highlights. Which are off the charts. I feel for the guy tho. Pop is screwing with his entire career...and NOT for the better.

I mean that’s expecting a lot of Vassell to begin with. The team needs both a scorer/play finisher (which Vassell is), and a play generator (which no one on the team is). That’s what the draft picks/trade chips are for. Just because he got a big payday doesn’t somehow mean he acquired the latter skills over night.

Also, some here act like Wemby is some finished product. Today the Cleveland center pretty much had his way with him, and he’s nowhere near a top flight center in this league. That, and Wemby for some unexplainable reason dumped off the go ahead game tying bunny to Sochan for some reason (which we all know how it was going to end). It’s not like he’s Gannis already, even though he had a great game against him the other day.

[SouthernFryd]

I mean that’s expecting a lot of Vassell to begin with. The team needs both a scorer/play finisher (which Vassell is), and a play generator (which no one on the team is). That’s what the draft picks/trade chips are for. Just because he got a big payday doesn’t somehow mean he acquired the latter skills over night.

Also, some here act like Wemby is some finished product. Today the Cleveland center pretty much had his way with him, and he’s nowhere near a top flight center in this league. That, and Wemby for some unexplainable reason dumped off the go ahead game tying bunny to Sochan for some reason (which we all know how it was going to end). It’s not like he’s Gannis already, even though he had a great game against him the other day.

Yeah, I agree with you. And I'm not saying I want to get rid of Vassell. I'm saying he's the best trade bait we have. We can get a LOT for him. He is a no-compromise, legit scorer. And we need one of those. Every team does. And we can probably work with him on the other things. Which are pretty easy to teach. Scoring like he does, is almost unteachable. lol. Passing, man on man D, the other things can be taught. Still, I don't think he's untouchable, given the right deal. Like I said, we can probably get a LOT for him. Manu was untouchable, Vassell, not so much.

But, if he's going to be our legit 2nd man scorer...I'm liking the getting a legit D guy to go next to Wemby before we try and get another Vassell. Yeah, we need better shooters and a floor general too, but this draft sucks...except for D guys. And there's a couple of top-tier D guys out there. I've mentioned DUNN a few hundred times. D guys don't just play D...they open up the game for legit scorers like Vassell by working to get him open, not themselves. AND they allow our guards to stay outside and guard the damn 3 point line instead of constantly collapsing and leaving the 3 point shooters open. So much upside here...

It's just the mentality around here is all about scoring and 3's. Like every single player on the team needs to shoot 3's at a good %. Wtf? That's not basketball. That's a Horse Game. ;) If you've ever coached kids, you know that's all kids want to do. Shoot 3's. Don't give a shit about any other part of the game. It's kinda like that here too, lol.

It's been said ad nauseum, but I'll say it too. Fuck you Stephan :)

[ambchang]

Some people will not be happy until wembys usage rate is 100%

[baseline bum]

Yeah, I agree with you. And I'm not saying I want to get rid of Vassell. I'm saying he's the best trade bait we have. We can get a LOT for him.

The two unprotected 25 picks in the Cooper Flagg draft are far and away the Spurs best trade chips and are worth way more than Vassell. Those two picks would have gotten either of Lillard or Durant.

[rankingtear]

Interesting Devin has the 5th highest release point in his jumper in the whole league.

[z0sa]

Interesting Devin has the 5th highest release point in his jumper in the whole league.

And Wemby with the highest. These two guys can shoot at will

[RC_Drunkford]

1- I told u what areas. Not those u talk about …
It’s not about statistics as much as eye test. It’s more about intent that success

2- it is an issue when the goal is for everybody to share the ball and when ur highest paid player has difficulties doing it.

3- unless his salary doesn’t match his production. CBA had more impact on the contract than his productions + we need more than draft picks to trade.

4- yes and I’m not sure Vassel should be part of the rebuilding process considering all the above points.

1 - so you don't have any skill you can point out and beat around the bush talking about "intent". Do you even know what you are saying?

2 - Vassell is not the highest paid player, he's the 8th highest paid player on the team. You should do some research about what a contract extension is :lol Also as I have shown you he's in the top 25 in assits and top 14 in TO ratio at his position in the NBA, so he has no problem sharing the ball.

3 - again, He earns 5.8 million this year and averages 18.7 points per game. His salary doesn't match his production since he's outperforming it's value by miles and should earn significantly more.

What you are talking about is his salary going forward from next season on and you don't have a clue how good he will be by then. Other people in that salary range are:

Wiggins (26 mil) Middleton (31 mil), RJ Barrett (26 mil), Ingram (36 mil), Herro (29 mil), Aaron Gordon (23 mil), Porzingis (29 mil), Jerami Grant (29 mil), Anfernee Simons (25 mil), Jaden McDaniels (23 mil)

so tell me how is he overpaid?

4 - all your points are wrong

[spurraider21]

1745588958363336865

[Sugus]

Structure isn’t built by the point guard though. It’s built by the organization. Pop has zero structure to our players and it’s killing their development. Victor should be shooting above 44%. Hell he should have 8 freebie points a game on lobs and dunks alone. But there’s zero structure to get those. It’s not even having a PG either, we aren’t focused on that with him. Vassell shouldn’t be leading the league in hardest attempts per game with his shots, but there’s zero structure to get him the ball in easy spots or wide open looks. For some reason, Pop hasn’t figured out that by playing through Wemby, the dude will give open shots to his teammates. Having a PG next year isn’t going to change that. Hell Sochan wasted his entire second year bc of Pop not having structure.

It’s 100% on Pop. All of this shit is on Pop. He needs to go. Even if we draft Topic or Collier or Dilly. Pop needs to go.

Not that I disagree that Pop has to go, but being so over-dramatic on your assessment never helps your point. How can Sochan's "entire second year" be wasted if we're not even halfway through it? And how many lobs has Wemby been getting recently? It's an adjustment season for a reason...

In any case, I'm not too worried about "this team" because it's getting major repairs in the off-season. We'll see what happens this off-season, on multiple levels; I'm expecting strong hints of a coaching change to come as well, if not an outright stepping down from Pop. My personal theory is that the "stop booing him" event was a major misstep, not because of the fans, but because many higher-ups surely still feel all sorts of ways about the Kawhi fiasco. I'm sure not everyone is as cool with Pop as the Holts are, and episodes like that one certainly raise eyebrows across the board.

[Sugus]

1745588958363336865

He'll pull it all together someday... Hopefully. But he's grown this season, beyond the current funk he's in.

[get_mills_out]

I think Vassell is twice the player Walker III ever was or will be, but I think they both have the trait of basically sleepwalking through any game they aren't 100% mentally locked in for. And I don't think that's something you can teach out of a player.

I can't think of a player that didn't "have it" upstairs early in their career, then later turning into an every night guy. If Vassell is just checked out half the time, I'm not sure what his ceiling really is. Tony Snell with a jumper? Rich man's Rodney Hood?

[KobesAchilles]

Not that I disagree that Pop has to go, but being so over-dramatic on your assessment never helps your point. How can Sochan's "entire second year" be wasted if we're not even halfway through it? And how many lobs has Wemby been getting recently? It's an adjustment season for a reason...

In any case, I'm not too worried about "this team" because it's getting major repairs in the off-season. We'll see what happens this off-season, on multiple levels; I'm expecting strong hints of a coaching change to come as well, if not an outright stepping down from Pop. My personal theory is that the "stop booing him" event was a major misstep, not because of the fans, but because many higher-ups surely still feel all sorts of ways about the Kawhi fiasco. I'm sure not everyone is as cool with Pop as the Holts are, and episodes like that one certainly raise eyebrows across the board.
How is it overdramatic? We have won 7 games out of 35. If anything it is spot on. Overdramatic would be if we were in the playoff hunt and I said Pop ruined our whole season. But if we are 7-28 and the reason is all the result of bad management, it isn’t over dramatic to say Pop wasted Sochans second year. What exactly is Sochan playing for? And don’t say paycheck bc that isn’t really enough motivation for these athletes. What exactly is Sochans role on the team? Does he know it? Did he learn PG? Nope. Did he learn SF? Nope. Did he learn PF? Nope. Has his defense improved? Nope. Has his feel for the game improved? Nope. Has his confidence improved from last season to now? Nope. Has he gelled with his current teammates on the court? Nope. The dude looks broken and nobody thought Sochan was broken before the season started.

A PG is needed. I’m not saying it isn’t needed. But we need a chief who can actually lead the team in the right direction. Not a coach who plays PFs as point guards and expects it to work. In the history of the NBA I can only think of Lebron James as the only player who didn’t need a PG on his championship team. And that was with the Heat. Literally every other championship team needs a PG and not PF pretending to be one. I’m not a genius (obviously) but if you just look at the entire history of the league and only one guy is an outlier, then what makes you think we have another guy like that? It’s just stupid.

Im thankful he finally figured out that Wemby is a Center and the offense goes through him and we should set him up correctly. I mean any idiot (and I’m the idiot) could see that before the season but I guess for Pop it just took longer.

[Sugus]

How is it overdramatic? (..) What exactly is Sochan playing for? And don’t say paycheck bc that isn’t really enough motivation for these athletes. What exactly is Sochans role on the team? Does he know it? Did he learn PG? Nope. Did he learn SF? Nope. Did he learn PF? Nope. Has his defense improved? Nope. Has his feel for the game improved? Nope. Has his confidence improved from last season to now? Nope. Has he gelled with his current teammates on the court? Nope. The dude looks broken and nobody thought Sochan was broken before the season started.

I don't know if you've been keeping up, but Sochan's play has steadily improved the past 5-10 games, and will continue trending upward. I just told you why it was over-dramatic, we're not even halfway into the season and you're already declaring all this year wasted, when he's clearly been picking shit up. Again I don't know if you're watching, but his decision making has improved, his two-man game with Wemby is looking great, his shot is better.... I don't have stats on me but wouldn't be surprised to see the numbers backing up the improvement. And again, not even ASB yet. :lol "he doesn't know what he's playing for", you see? Hard to take you seriously when you say shit like that.


A PG is needed. I’m not saying it isn’t needed. But we need a chief who can actually lead the team in the right direction. Not a coach who plays PFs as point guards and expects it to work. In the history of the NBA I can only think of Lebron James as the only player who didn’t need a PG on his championship team. And that was with the Heat. Literally every other championship team needs a PG and not PF pretending to be one. I’m not a genius (obviously) but if you just look at the entire history of the league and only one guy is an outlier, then what makes you think we have another guy like that? It’s just stupid.

Im thankful he finally figured out that Wemby is a Center and the offense goes through him and we should set him up correctly. I mean any idiot (and I’m the idiot) could see that before the season but I guess for Pop it just took longer.

I don't know why people keep taking the literally self-called experiment as some hard-coded new permanent role for Sochan? Or why you act as if Pop has "forgotten" that he needs a PG? Just the most strawman arguments. And now what, I'm supposed to believe Pop "suddenly rembered" that a PG is needed, so he jumped in on starting Tre like it was some eureka moment? :lol

Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? Because all of this goes directly against it. Between believing that Pop is senile enough, and unchecked enough, both by players and his own staff, so as to start players on random positions without any plan or goal, just 'cause.... And believing he maybe, just maybe, wants to give players different roles and looks to improve their overall game... I'm taking the latter. But I can't stop you from believing a GOAT coach candidate just randomly forgets the basics of the game, I guess.

[KobesAchilles]

I don't know if you've been keeping up, but Sochan's play has steadily improved the past 5-10 games, and will continue trending upward. I just told you why it was over-dramatic, we're not even halfway into the season and you're already declaring all this year wasted, when he's clearly been picking shit up. Again I don't know if you're watching, but his decision making has improved, his two-man game with Wemby is looking great, his shot is better.... I don't have stats on me but wouldn't be surprised to see the numbers backing up the improvement. And again, not even ASB yet. :lol "he doesn't know what he's playing for", you see? Hard to take you seriously when you say shit like that.



I don't know why people keep taking the literally self-called experiment as some hard-coded new permanent role for Sochan? Or why you act as if Pop has "forgotten" that he needs a PG? Just the most strawman arguments. And now what, I'm supposed to believe Pop "suddenly rembered" that a PG is needed, so he jumped in on starting Tre like it was some eureka moment? :lol

Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? Because all of this goes directly against it. Between believing that Pop is senile enough, and unchecked enough, both by players and his own staff, so as to start players on random positions without any plan or goal, just 'cause.... And believing he maybe, just maybe, wants to give players different roles and looks to improve their overall game... I'm taking the latter. But I can't stop you from believing a GOAT coach candidate just randomly forgets the basics of the game, I guess.
So Occam’s razor supports everything I said bc everything I said was simple to see. It discounts everything you say bc you are basing it off emotion. Take away emotion, not knowing how to play your star big man is bad coaching. And by not knowing how to use the franchise player, we were going to be in for rough season. That’s Occam’s razor. Not starting a player who can run the offense is bad coaching. Occam’s razor. Starting a player who never in their life has played PG probably ain’t going to work out. Occam’s Razor. Not running your offense through your best player and making him the clear primary option is bad coaching. There’s literally the entire existence of the NBA history that proves this. Occam’s razor. Occam’s razor told me that Sochan isn’t a PG, that Wemby should be the primary, that Pop should’ve had a game plan to get Wemby involved often and early in the beginning of the season, Occam’s razor told me that you could’ve just had Sochan be the secondary playmaker ala Draymond or running the point for the bench unit if you really want him to practice or grow. There were many better ways to go about this. Occam’s razor says that we need real vets on this team. Vets that can play and lead. Occam’s razor says if you win 8 games out of 42 games then you aren’t learning how to win at all despite what Pop says. Take away emotion and this is bad coaching by Pop. It just is. If Detroit Pistons drafted Wemby, has their starting center jack up more shots than him, play their PF as point guard, not run the offense through Wemby and win 8 games with this generational talent then you and everyone else would say what a shitty franchise and look how badly the team is being run!

You’re young. You probably have no idea who Tom Landry is or was but I will tell you in Dallas the dude was a god. He was revered. He was the Dallas Cowboys. And he got old and sucked as a coach at the end. He is the greatest coach in Dallas history and he was fired bc at the end he was a bad coach. There was so much outrage over his firing bc of what he meant to the franchise but it was the right move. He was a bad coach. And 3 years later they won a superbowl. It’s time for Pop to be Landryd

[Sugus]

So Occam’s razor supports everything I said bc everything I said was simple to see. It discounts everything you say bc you are basing it off emotion. Take away emotion, not knowing how to play your star big man is bad coaching. And by not knowing how to use the franchise player, we were going to be in for rough season. That’s Occam’s razor. Not starting a player who can run the offense is bad coaching. Occam’s razor. Starting a player who never in their life has played PG probably ain’t going to work out. Occam’s Razor. Not running your offense through your best player and making him the clear primary option is bad coaching. There’s literally the entire existence of the NBA history that proves this. Occam’s razor. Occam’s razor told me that Sochan isn’t a PG, that Wemby should be the primary, that Pop should’ve had a game plan to get Wemby involved often and early in the beginning of the season, Occam’s razor told me that you could’ve just had Sochan be the secondary playmaker ala Draymond or running the point for the bench unit if you really want him to practice or grow. There were many better ways to go about this. Occam’s razor says that we need real vets on this team. Vets that can play and lead. Occam’s razor says if you win 8 games out of 42 games then you aren’t learning how to win at all despite what Pop says. Take away emotion and this is bad coaching by Pop. It just is. If Detroit Pistons drafted Wemby, has their starting center jack up more shots than him, play their PF as point guard, not run the offense through Wemby and win 8 games with this generational talent then you and everyone else would say what a shitty franchise and look how badly the team is being run!

You’re young. You probably have no idea who Tom Landry is or was but I will tell you in Dallas the dude was a god. He was revered. He was the Dallas Cowboys. And he got old and sucked as a coach at the end. He is the greatest coach in Dallas history and he was fired bc at the end he was a bad coach. There was so much outrage over his firing bc of what he meant to the franchise but it was the right move. He was a bad coach. And 3 years later they won a superbowl. It’s time for Pop to be Landryd

Uh... Occam's razor doesn't... Work like that. It's a logical resource/tool to be used in analysis like any other, not a blanket be-all for jumping to conclusions. Experimenting with a player instead of boxing them in is not "Occam's Razor", and Pop, old and outdated as he may be, has all the right and duty in the world to experiment with him (and for all the "omgz so obvious!!" shit, Wemby himself doesn't consider himself a center, so). I'm not going point by point, we clearly don't see eye to eye here, and I don't care to defend Pop's coaching as I would like to see a young coach at the helm as well. Go off.

I don't think he should be fired though, I'd like to see him step down at the end of the season. And dude, my age has nothing to do with not knowing who the fuck some random american football coach is, just like your age has nothing to do with you knowing who Marcelo Gallardo is or not :lmao americans bruh i swear

I was also coming in to say, I'm gonna shut the fuck up on Sochan because every time I talk him up, he shits the bed lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Vassell in his 4th season

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2023-24 23 SAS NBA SG 41 35 31.2 6.7 14.3 .467 2.4 6.7 .364 4.2 7.6 .558 .552 2.3 2.9 .805 0.4 3.2 3.5 3.6 1.2 0.2 1.3 1.1 18.1

Middleton in his 4th season

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2015-16 24 MIL NBA SG 79 79 36.1 6.4 14.5 .444 1.8 4.6 .396 4.6 9.9 .466 .507 3.5 3.9 .888 0.6 3.3 3.8 4.2 1.7 0.2 2.3 2.6 18.2

[CGD]

Had a hell of a game last night. His shots still look unnecessarily hard, but they go in at a high clip

[The Truth #6]

He has great footwork. Has worked really hard on his offensive game because that's what got him his contract. But he's an overachiever it feels like, which is great mostly, but it seems like he lacks burst and relies on his craft. I don't know. With better players on the team hopefully he'll find the right balance of when to score.

Last night everyone seemed to be moving the ball somewhat better which made the offense look better. Anyway, his contract is probably too high for his best role on a championship team but lots of time to figure this out.

[r0drig0lac]

he's Rip Hamilton playing in 20'

[LeBowen]

The shots he takes are so difficult because he's the only legit perimeter threat in the starting lineup.
I guess Champagnie is also a solid 3pt shooter, but teams don't really care about a borderline NBA player.
Tre, Jeremy and Wemby are left wide open and dared to shoot.

With better spacing he'd get way better shots.
The only concern is that he doesn't develop the hero ball mentality and chucks from difficult positions when it's not necessary.

Unless Spurs can fleece someone, he shouldn't be moved until we see what he can do on a competent roster.

[Atl Spur]

Once he figures out he belongs ( like white did ) watch out! I’m more concerned about him elevating his defense more than anything else.

[CGD]

he's Rip Hamilton playing in 20'

That would be awesome. He’s needs to learn to run off screens like Rip did to make the comp work better. I actually see more Allen Houston given the footwork.

[spurraider21]

He’s the anti branham in that even when it looks inevitable his jumpers just refuse to be blocked.

[RC_Drunkford]

once we have a real PG he's gon explode


He has great footwork. Has worked really hard on his offensive game because that's what got him his contract. But he's an overachiever it feels like, which is great mostly, but it seems like he lacks burst and relies on his craft. I don't know. With better players on the team hopefully he'll find the right balance of when to score.

Last night everyone seemed to be moving the ball somewhat better which made the offense look better. Anyway, his contract is probably too high for his best role on a championship team but lots of time to figure this out.


he makes 5.8 million this year. The extension kicks in next season.

[Raven]

He looks like a pretty great #3

[SupremeGuy]

he's Rip Hamilton playing in 20'Shit man I remember Rip being way better but stats don't lie lol

[LeBowen]

Shit man I remember Rip being way better but stats don't lie lol

Tbh, stats in modern NBA are ridiculously inflated.
Lebron has almost identical averages and shooting splits to what he had 10 years ago and he's not even 30% of the player he used to be.

Eye test is the only thing that matters.

[poopbox]

I'm still concerned about his inability to get to the rim. His jumper was wet last night but when it's not it's ugly for him.

[Seventyniner]

Theoretically Vassell should get more efficient on offense if the Spurs get another high end offensive threat, giving Vassell easier shots. But he might just have that Mamba mentality (in a bad way) instead.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Theoretically Vassell should get more efficient on offense if the Spurs get another high end offensive threat, giving Vassell easier shots. But he might just have that Mamba mentality (in a bad way) instead.

Yes. What the Spurs need is a two way wing who is all-star quality and eons better than Champagnie. If they get that piece plus a decent PG who can score and set the table.. they are contending for the playoffs.

[RC_Drunkford]

Vassell is more of an offball shooter than a shot creator. He's obviously working on creating his own shot and is already pretty good at it, but that will only improve with time and experience. Once this team has a real PG it will open up the game for him and give him easy buckets.

[Dejounte]

Vassell is more of an offball shooter than a shot creator. He's obviously working on creating his own shot and is already pretty good at it, but that will only improve with time and experience. Once this team has a real PG it will open up the game for him and give him easy buckets.

Tbh If We’re Praising Tre For Getting Wemby Easy Shots, We Should Be Questioning Why He Doesn’t Find Vassell As Easily.

I Honestly Think Part Of The Blame Goes To Vassell. He Doesn’t Run Around Without The Ball Nearly Enough And When He Does Get The Ball, He Prefers To Dribble And Do An ISO.

[Atl Spur]

Vassell is more of an offball shooter than a shot creator. He's obviously working on creating his own shot and is already pretty good at it, but that will only improve with time and experience. Once this team has a real PG it will open up the game for him and give him easy buckets.

No shit Sherlock; the sky appears blue and water is wet! I’m still waiting on that answer clown.

[Atl Spur]

I wish everyone on here would help clear clowns like you off this board so we can talk spurs like the name suggest.

[SupremeGuy]

Tbh, stats in modern NBA are ridiculously inflated.
Lebron has almost identical averages and shooting splits to what he had 10 years ago and he's not even 30% of the player he used to be.

Eye test is the only thing that matters.Weren't the offensive numbers ridiculous in the "hard 80s" as well? Fucking full circle or something. I dunno, been drinking all day. lulz ravens and lions choked on their own dicks

[RC_Drunkford]

No shit Sherlock; the sky appears blue and water is wet! I’m still waiting on that answer clown.

you still waiting for some meat for your booty Ms. Cleo? :lol I don't get down like that, that's an ATL thing

[Atl Spur]

you still waiting for some meat for your booty Ms. Cleo? :lol I don't get down like that, that's an ATL thing

You got some things to iron out…. Do better

[callo1]

Tbh If We’re Praising Tre For Getting Wemby Easy Shots, We Should Be Questioning Why He Doesn’t Find Vassell As Easily.

I Honestly Think Part Of The Blame Goes To Vassell. He Doesn’t Run Around Without The Ball Nearly Enough And When He Does Get The Ball, He Prefers To Dribble And Do An ISO.

Yup, he needs to be more active without the ball like RIP Hamilton was for Detroit. Cut down on those low percentage shots as well.

[spurraider21]

he's hitting 73% of his shots within 3 feet :lol... he's shown all season he can finish in close quarters with help defenders draped all over him. unless its chet stuffing his shit a couple of times

the problem is this only accounts for about 16% of his FGA. the uber efficient SG's like harden/manu get much closer to 25-30% of their FGA within 3 feet

[RC_Drunkford]

he's hitting 73% of his shots within 3 feet :lol... he's shown all season he can finish in close quarters with help defenders draped all over him. unless its chet stuffing his shit a couple of times

the problem is this only accounts for about 16% of his FGA. the uber efficient SG's like harden/manu get much closer to 25-30% of their FGA within 3 feet

he doesnt have the speed to get by the defender so easily. Might have to work on some dribble moves

[Pauleta14]

Spurs gave the biggest contract in franchise history to this average baller... :lol

[z0sa]

he's hitting 73% of his shots within 3 feet :lol... he's shown all season he can finish in close quarters with help defenders draped all over him. unless its chet stuffing his shit a couple of times

the problem is this only accounts for about 16% of his FGA. the uber efficient SG's like harden/manu get much closer to 25-30% of their FGA within 3 feet

Yeah, he's clearly in love with his own jumpshot. That's good for a couple hundred mill apparently so no hate really, but I'm not sure if it's the kind of #2 option we want next to Wemby if a title is the prize rather than lots and lots of cash.

[Pauleta14]

+ a decade ago Vassel would have been qualified as "not Spurs compatible" bc of all his fundamentals limitations

Today he's obviously not Wemby compatible as a 2nd option with zero playmaking abilities...

[rankingtear]

Spurs gave the biggest contract in franchise history to this average baller... :lol

Eh it is Aaron Gordon money.

[Pauleta14]

I'd rather have Aaron Gordon... :lol

[rankingtear]

I'd rather have Aaron Gordon... :lol

It's 4th guy on a contender money. It is not about Aaron Gordon. And no one liked Aaron Gordon before he joined DEN.

[Pauleta14]

What do u think of that ?

https://x.com/katouncc__/status/1753772995208733043?s=20

[RC_Drunkford]

What do u think of that ?

https://x.com/katouncc__/status/1753772995208733043?s=20

you dumbass that video is from the 2022 offseason :lol

[Kurgan]

he's hitting 73% of his shots within 3 feet :lol... he's shown all season he can finish in close quarters with help defenders draped all over him. unless its chet stuffing his shit a couple of times

the problem is this only accounts for about 16% of his FGA. the uber efficient SG's like harden/manu get much closer to 25-30% of their FGA within 3 feet

Devin's free throw rate is also pretty bad(career 16%) compared to Manu and Harden(routinely in the 40s and 50s). Also a result of his unwillingness to attack the basket. This team badly needs more guys that can draw free throws.

[spurraider21]

Devin's free throw rate is also pretty bad(career 16%) compared to Manu and Harden(routinely in the 40s and 50s). Also a result of his unwillingness to attack the basket. This team badly needs more guys that can draw free throws.
his career FT% is also right around 80%. he's currently below 80 for the season and was last year as well. 80 isnt bad, but if his calling card is shooting and shotmaking, gotta be a bit higher imo. leaving points on the table. missed one late yesterday in a 1 point loss...

[Pauleta14]

The date of the video doesn't matter to me, it speaks on what type of dude he is

You have to be insanely naive to think he's not pissed that he isn't THE guy in this team as he thought he'd be

[RC_Drunkford]

The date of the video doesn't matter to me, it speaks on what type of dude he is

You have to be insanely naive to think he's not pissed that he isn't THE guy in this team as he thought he'd be

you idiot still don't understand that he said this before we even got the draft pick to draft Wemby :lmao

[Pauleta14]

You're the idiot missing the point and AGAIN going all emo