Game Thread: Pre-Season Game 3 vs Rockets -- Oct. 16 2023 7 p.m. CST (3 a.m. Riga Time)

[Chinook]

Let's get it going. Who's out? Who's starting?

[Mr. Body]

Tre
Vic
Dev
Out

[Fizziksman]

good that Wemby is out. Brooks would absolutely try to injure him.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Who’s televising it?

[Dejounte]

Starters

Sochan
Malaki
Keldon
Cedi
Collins


sochan-at-the-4 folks faint

[Dejounte]

Sochan being dirty already and tickling Brooks lmao

[Mr. Body]

Jeremy really needs to tighten his handles.

[JPB]

Zollins with the trey

[Dejounte]

Jeremy really needs to tighten his handles.

Kawhi had three years to become the elite ball handler he is today. His year 1 handles were trash. His year 2 handles were probably equal to what Sochan is showing now. By year 3 or 4 is when his handle became elite.

[Mr. Body]

Kawhi had three years to become the elite ball handler he is today. His year 1 handles were trash. His year 2 handles were probably equal to what Sochan is showing now. By year 3 or 4 is when his handle became elite.

Oh, I def think he'll improve. To be a lead ballhandler right now, a bit of trouble.

[Mr. Body]

This Rox team would be in trouble without FVV and probably Dillon. They are without Green however, but he's not a playmaker, just a scorer.

[Dejounte]

Sochan’s mid range is a thing of beauty.

[Mr. Body]

Collins a really nice player. He does a lot of things and pretty well.

[Dejounte]

Whoa that was beautiful ball movement

[onechance87]

collins making plays

[Dejounte]

McDermott on Whitmore is the worst matchup ever

[Mr. Body]

Collins is one of our best players. He's way better than he was in Portland.

[Dejounte]

Jeff Green didn’t age well. He looks like he’s seen some shit

[Mr. Body]

Lol it don't count when you run over a guy.

[Mr. Body]

Has Champagnie turned back into a pumpkin?

[baseline bum]

Damn thought this game was at 7:30 and tune in and the quarter's almost over

[Mr. Body]

Fuckin' freethrows.

[onechance87]

man....starting to worry about champ.....three games straight struggling shooting...

[Dejounte]

Sengun is a dirty bastard. Pushing guys in the air

[KDKSpurs24]

I wouldn’t put Champagnie in the rotation to start the season. The shot hasn’t been falling and when it’s not I’m not sure if he does anything else good enough to be useful if we’re trying to win games. (I know it’s early)

[spurraider21]

missed the first quarter. score looks nice. what did i miss

[onechance87]

bassy terrible at passing

[Mr. Body]

Bassey is a good passer but he's forcing things.

[Mr. Body]

I'd let Julian play through it. He's not strictly a shooter and he needs to just get through this.

[spurraider21]

ive been watching since the start of 2Q. not sure i've seen sochan make a positive play on either end. collins still not much defensively but he's definitely playing with an edge

branham took that 3 of the dribble with confidence, thats really promising to see from him

nice blocks by keldon and osman

[thiste]

Houston is pretty physical, but I think the absence of Wembanyama is great. I want to see this team win it without him.

[Ditty]

Has Julian made one three this entire preseason? :lol

[spurraider21]

wesley continuing his amazing streak of never making a single layup in his life

[Dejounte]

This is a real down game for Wesley. Sheesh

[spursparker9]

Zach has that nasty that Pop want

[spurraider21]

Collins is really nice on offense. i like that he can hit 3's, but i'm glad he's not out there pretending he's Porzingis like he did a couple games ago. he's being physical down low and its working

[Mr. Body]

Collins' baby hook is so good.

[Mr. Body]

Malaki really getting after it on d.

[spurraider21]

sochan fails to secure the rebound then fouls. still havent seen him make a single positive play since i started watching at the start of 2Q

[spurraider21]

really dont like collins taking 3's early in the shot clock. came back next possession, took it inside and scored easily. keep at it zach. the 3-ball is a nice outlet option but shouldnt be something he defaults to

[Ditty]

Sochan looks like he hasn't played much ball this summer. Hopefully he is playing his worst ball right now.

[Mr. Body]

Zach Collins is the best player on this court tonight.

[jesterbobman]

Collins has looked like he's comfortable both in his role, and in the fact that what's most effective is going to vary by opponent.
He's not big enough to bang down low and use his size against everyone (e.g, against Embiid, Gobert, etc), so spacing and camping out can be effective (for him, and to help draw defenders away from the rim).

If he's guarded by this Rockets front line he's got a good advantage in power over anyone, so dirty bully ball of establishing position then getting in a short hook is effective, and effective offense doesn't always look pretty.

[spurraider21]

wesley continuing his amazing streak of never making a single layup in his life

[Ditty]

Nice drive by Wesley finally

[Dejounte]

Gah damn Wesley finally made a layup

[spurraider21]

he made one!

:lmao then immediately stripped by FVV going for the next one

oh boy, what an awful end to the quarter by wesley

[Dejounte]

Keldon looks good tonight. The way he’s moving with the ball looks different

[Mr. Body]

Jabari Smith isn't the defensive presence he was advertised as.

[Mugen]

Not sold on the viability of the Sochan @ PG experiment tbh. Rest of his game takes a hit when he has to focus on the initiator/playmaker role.

[spurraider21]

Keldon looks good tonight. The way he’s moving with the ball looks different
he is moving quite well tbh. more shifty than im used to seeing him

[Spurs Brazil]

Collins was fantastic in the 1st half

[spurraider21]

Not sold on the viability of the Sochan @ PG experiment tbh. Rest of his game takes a hit when he has to focus on the initiator/playmaker role.
plus he's not that good at it

offensively he's at his best when he battles for position on the block and has access to that short turnaround J, or to turn and go for jump hooks, etc. and good passing out of that post position. i dont see him at a PG at all

playing him there nominally allows for some really interesting things on defense with the amount of size out there, but i dont think its worth it. obviously having wemby out there can mask a lot of problems offensively

[John B]

Westley has been playing well. He's a pesky defender, and he is so much composed now. I am beginning to trust his handles and decisions more... good stuff

[Mr. Body]

Not sold on the viability of the Sochan @ PG experiment tbh. Rest of his game takes a hit when he has to focus on the initiator/playmaker role.

He's much better attacking closeouts and invading the paint from the wings. He's not an outside threat and playing PG he's often guarded by actual guards who hound him.

[Mr. Body]

Zollins kind of wrecking their front line with 18-7-4.

[Mugen]

Keldon looks good tonight. The way he’s moving with the ball looks different

Yeah, just going by the knowledge of Keldon's game + seeing Wemby's play so far across SL/Preseason, I think Keldon benefits the most from his arrival. He's going to get so many damn good looks from 3 and from cutting. Defensively, his shortcomings should be covered up a ton by Victor.

[Mr. Body]

Branham with 5 rebounds which I LOVE to see.

[Dejounte]

Sochan will prevail at PG and all this noise will go away tbh it will just take maybe 15-20 games to really settle in

[John B]

plus he's not that good at it

offensively he's at his best when he battles for position on the block and has access to that short turnaround J, or to turn and go for jump hooks, etc. and good passing out of that post position. i dont see him at a PG at all

playing him there nominally allows for some really interesting things on defense with the amount of size out there, but i dont think its worth it

See the brighter side, he's a big who can push the ball and that's what Pop is trying to accomplish out there.. stop looking at it on just one perspective..

Speaking of a big man pushing the ball, Cedi is another one with good handles.. I think he is starting to carve his minutes in the rotation.

[Dejounte]

Rockets fans were soooo convinced Jabari Smith was going to turn into their Kevin Durant this season… I don’t see nothing special so far

[Mr. Body]

Rockets fans were soooo convinced Jabari Smith was going to turn into their Kevin Durant this season… I don’t see nothing special so far

He was supposed to be a scintillating 3-n-D type who could develop more. I don't see much defensive menace and he purely has to be set up by other players.

[Mugen]

They just need to not be historically horrible at guarding the 3 and they'll be ok defensively. Zollins/Wemby/Bassey should be enough to make their rim protection decent tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Love the opposing fg% of 35.7 and 5/17 from range. The Rockets are really only FVV on offense with Jalen Green out and the Spurs are at least making it hard for him.

[heyheymymy]

wow Zollins 18/7/4 at the half?

[Mugen]

:lol Discount Draymond Brooks tbh

[heyheymymy]

lol Cedi forces the 8 sec TO

[John B]

Great defense Cedi

[Mugen]

Man I like Cedi

[Dejounte]

Love the opposing fg% of 35.7 and 5/17 from range. The Rockets are really only FVV on offense with Jalen Green out and the Spurs are at least making it hard for him.
That’s Fred-$40mil-Vanvleet to you, sir

and Dillon -$20mil - Brooks

cant believe the Rockets are paying this much

[John B]

Cedi is gonna be in the rotation. He just plays good basketball

[John B]

Cedi is so active out there. He is giving me the Bobo vibes out there..

[Mugen]

Malaki turning into prime Kawhi tonight :lol

[Dejounte]

I love the glimpses of amazing improved defense this team shows only for them to turn it over seconds later…

[Mugen]

BIG BODYYYYY

[SPURt]

Yeah KJ!

[Dejounte]

Keldon looks like he’s on another level tonight… breakout year?

[tim_duncan_fan]

The coaches will need to be on the guys about their lack of aggression and attacking right away.

[John B]

KJ!

[spurraider21]

FVV playing with defensive intensity that we havent really seen for about 2 seasons now

but man, KJ definitely looks shiftier with the ball than i can remember

[spurraider21]

See the brighter side, he's a big who can push the ball and that's what Pop is trying to accomplish out there.. stop looking at it on just one perspective..

Speaking of a big man pushing the ball, Cedi is another one with good handles.. I think he is starting to carve his minutes in the rotation.
nothing wrong with a big that can handle and pass. we had that with diaw. the warriors have it with draymond. but you dont see the warriors giving the ball to draymond at the top of the 3 point line and have him run pick and rolls and stuff. being a playmaking big is different from being a point guard

[spurraider21]

keep remembering Pau watching Cedi. white dude with long-ish messy hair wearing 16

cedi is playing very well tbh. a lot of energy, not just going through the motions at all

[Dejounte]

Really nice pass by KJ

[John B]

That's a clean block by Cedi

[Mugen]

Amen looking niceeee tbh

[onechance87]

sochan not looking good....maybe cedi should start in front of him

[spursparker9]

If these young core can play to their potential, we can get a playoff spot this year

[couchman]

Keldon is streaky w the shooting, but I love HOW he is playing.
It's going to be hard to keep him and that energy out of the starting lineup.

I think Sochan and Tre take turns in the starting 5.

Collins is showing his improved game, but we need to remember that he is being guarded mostly be Sengun, who is trash on defense.
Still super happy w what Collins is doing. He is maximizing his ability.

Osman is going to get a lot of PT. He's just solid at everything.

Malakai will be our main scorer off the bench imo.

[spurraider21]

sochan simply isnt a point guard. being a crafty passer is not the same thing as being a point guard. and he aint it. doesnt mean he cant be a useful player, but its almost cruel to ask him to play this role :lol

the main thing i like about PG sochan is that Tre Jones becomes a high end backup PG instead of a low end starter. and it basically removes Graham from the rotation

branham playing better defense than we saw at any point last year :tu

[Chinook]

See the brighter side, he's a big who can push the ball and that's what Pop is trying to accomplish out there.. stop looking at it on just one perspective..

Speaking of a big man pushing the ball, Cedi is another one with good handles.. I think he is starting to carve his minutes in the rotation.

You don't need to play PG to push the ball up the court. Pop is currently playing Sochan with three front-court players. If he wants Jeremy to push the ball, he should be doing it as a forward.

Cedi has played well, but there shouldn't be a space in the rotation for him. Sochan, Johnson and Wemby should take all the PF minutes. Cedi at best would be fighting McDermott for those minutes, but hopefully with Branham, Wesley and Champ, wing minutes aren't available either.

[spurraider21]

brooks thinks he's prime danny green tbh :lol

[jesterbobman]

Amen was a really good prospect. I think there's a reason a lot of people (Idiots like me, and smart people) had him ahead of Brandon Miller. Awesome feel, athleticism and size combo.

Keldon looks more balanced in the ball - He used to always look like he was a bit tilted, like he was biased to drive forward - useful and aggressive, but predictable. Being more upright / balanced in direction should open up a wider range of driving angles and mean he's more ready to shoot off the dribble if he maintains his positioning and defenders sag off him.

[Mugen]

Keldon to the locker room, hopefully not too serious.

[spurraider21]

You don't need to play PG to push the ball up the court. Pop is currently playing Sochan with three front-court players. If he wants Jeremy to push the ball, he should be doing it as a forward.

Cedi has played well, but there shouldn't be a space in the rotation for him. Sochan, Johnson and Wemby should take all the PF minutes. Cedi at best would be fighting McDermott for those minutes, but hopefully with Branham, Wesley and Champ, wing minutes aren't available either.
Cedi and Champ are mostly competing for the same spot imho

obviously its in the spurs interest for champ to take that spot. he's younger, on a very favorable deal, etc. but if he's not going to shoot the way he was at summer league, im not sure theres anything he does better than osman right now

[Mr. Body]

I love the glimpses of amazing improved defense this team shows only for them to turn it over seconds later…

Baby steps. These guys are like puppy dogs growing up.

[Mugen]

Cedi is getting minutes until he's hurt or one of the young guys plays better than him.

[thiste]

Who are Houston not playing tonight?

[spurraider21]

really ugly minutes with this lineup...

[John B]

Man that's ugly

[SPURt]

Some gross basketball going down to end the 3rd. Yikes.

[Joseph Kony]

Khem Birch sighting

[John B]

Birch sighting

[Dex]

Khem Birch exists!!

[heyheymymy]

the man
the myth
the legend

Birch in the flesh = 82-0

[John B]

Man Birch looks like a bouncer

[Mugen]

Jeremy being fed and he responds with a great stretch :lol

[Dejounte]

Thats my PG tbh

[spurraider21]

sochan hit that 3 but the form still seems likere this a significant hitch there

[heyheymymy]

damn sochan catching fire

[Ditty]

Now that's the Sochan we know! Looked like that leg might be bothering him still :cry

[spurraider21]

Thats my PG tbh
PG who couldnt dribble past his guy and had to resort to a give and go? :lol

[spurraider21]

3 scores by sochan to end that quarter though. 2 give and go's for layup/dunk, and the corner 3

[jesterbobman]

I don't think Sochan is a PG, and I don't think he'll ever get there, but I think experimenting is valuable. It opens up lineup combinations (going huge defensively and getting just enough from a PG by committee) and might mean he gets to a minor negative as a primary, rather than I think (now) a pretty clear negative.

Give and go there at the end of the 3rd feels like his best type of offense - most valuable as a complementary piece who has a bit of juice on ball, and builds up the confidence to use the ball in advantage situations.

[John B]

PG who couldnt dribble past his guy and had to resort to a give and go? :lol

tough crowd

[Dejounte]

PG who couldnt dribble past his guy and had to resort to a give and go? :lol

Thats what PGs do tbh. Not sure why the fixation on Sochan. To me, in lineups hes been in, the Spurs are always up. That’s a sign he’s doing something right even if it isnt showing up on the box score. As opposed to other games Ive seen since the season started with a traditional point like Tre and we blow the lead or cant hold one.

[Mugen]

Amen will be the 2nd best player from his draft tbh.

[spurraider21]

birch actually playing well defensively. had a nice pocket pass to sochan earlier as well. but offensively... ugh

[spurraider21]

Thats what PGs do tbh. Not sure why the fixation on Sochan. To me, in lineups hes been in, the Spurs are always up. That’s a sign he’s doing something right even if it isnt showing up on the box score. As opposed to other games Ive seen since the season started with a traditional point like Tre and we blow the lead or cant hold one.
because the sochan at PG experiment is one of the bigger spurs stories of the year aside from Wemby

he was a top 10 pick a season ago. he will be discussed a lot.

the spurs lead and early offensive success this game came largely off the back of collins, no so much from sochan creating scoring opportunities. he had a nice run at the end of the 3rd. but no matter how much i squint i dont see an offensive initiator

[Mugen]

I don't think Sochan is a PG, and I don't think he'll ever get there, but I think experimenting is valuable. It opens up lineup combinations (going huge defensively and getting just enough from a PG by committee) and might mean he gets to a minor negative as a primary, rather than I think (now) a pretty clear negative.

Give and go there at the end of the 3rd feels like his best type of offense - most valuable as a complementary piece who has a bit of juice on ball, and builds up the confidence to use the ball in advantage situations.

Experimenting is fine. Esp when you're winning 20 games a year and 30 games a year like the Spurs will this season. I'm just not sure if trying him at PG is what's best for Jeremy's long term development especially when anybody with half a basketball brain knows it will never be a long term thing :lol

[Mugen]

Like Sidy would be a better guy to try at PG if we're experimenting tbh :lol

[Mugen]

Darius Days, the one that got away :lol

[John B]

Sean questioning the weight of our players.. Birch 235 lbs and Sissoco at 200 lbs. :rollin

[CGD]

He was supposed to be a scintillating 3-n-D type who could develop more. I don't see much defensive menace and he purely has to be set up by other players.

Interestingly the type of finishing piece the Spurs might want to consider in 3-4 years when Rockets pass on extending him.

[John B]

Barlow looks so good.. he future is bright

[Mr. Body]

Who are Houston not playing tonight?

Jalen Green and I haven't seen Tari Eason.

[Dejounte]

because the sochan at PG experiment is one of the bigger spurs stories of the year aside from Wemby

he was a top 10 pick a season ago. he will be discussed a lot.

the spurs lead and early offensive success this game came largely off the back of collins, no so much from sochan creating scoring opportunities. he had a nice run at the end of the 3rd. but no matter how much i squint i dont see an offensive initiator

Leads dont happen solely because of offense. And Collins being successful doesnt happen on its own— it takes the four teammates hes with to be in the right position, and one of those guys happen to be Sochan. It’s overly simplified to say that one man is the reason for the a lead. It’s like saying Duncan had no impact when he was an aging center because he no longer scored 20 a game.

[Dex]

I don't think Sochan is a PG, and I don't think he'll ever get there, but I think experimenting is valuable. It opens up lineup combinations (going huge defensively and getting just enough from a PG by committee) and might mean he gets to a minor negative as a primary, rather than I think (now) a pretty clear negative.

Give and go there at the end of the 3rd feels like his best type of offense - most valuable as a complementary piece who has a bit of juice on ball, and builds up the confidence to use the ball in advantage situations.

I don't think he will ever be a "point guard"....but being a point-forward like Bobo was is a huge asset to any team.

He doesn't need to be bringing the ball up the court every time, but he is learning to read the defense from the high and low-post positions and make the right play.

[spurraider21]

spurs bench is 7-30 from the field, 3-13 from 3

[Mr. Body]

These FTs mang

[Dejounte]

Very nice block by Sidy. Man, his size is deceptive. Sometimes he looks like a big ol center out there, but then you see him moving as quick as he does.

[Mr. Body]

Devonte Graham / Dom Barlow - best duo in the league?

[spurraider21]

Leads dont happen solely because of offense. And Collins being successful doesnt happen on its own— it takes the four teammates hes with to be in the right position, and one of those guys happen to be Sochan. It’s overly simplified to say that one man is the reason for the a lead. It’s like saying Duncan had no impact when he was an aging center because he no longer scored 20 a game.
he has no assists today as the primary ballhandler, to go along with 3 turnovers

[heyheymymy]

love players that fix their mistake like that Cissoko chase down block

[John B]

Just cut Graham already :(

[TekXX]

Cidy knew better than to shoot a guaranteed brick, but it is the preseason so why not.

[Mr. Body]

Cam Whitmore has completely sucked.

[Leetonidas]

Wesley has the worst touch at the rim I've ever seen from a guard

[spurraider21]

https://i.gyazo.com/16cf29f8adbae8909a2c2b29b14a4f4b.png

[John B]

terrible line-up

[John B]

Wesley!

[Mr. Body]

FTs 14-27 wtf...

[Russ]

Wesley has the worst touch at the rim I've ever seen from a guard

Like he's an All-Star from midrange?

[John B]

Wesley :(

[thiste]

Cidy shouldn't be the one taking threes but he has to because the others are ducking their responsibilities. I'm looking at you Champagnie. Julian's the best shooter on the floor, but he's hiding rn.

[TekXX]

Pop is practicing the tank lineups to lose games

[Kurik]

Cam Whitmore has completely sucked.

Our entire bench sucked.

[John B]

I enjoyed that until the last 5 minutes.. Birch nah let him go.. Sissoco needs to play in Austin.

[Russ]

Our entire bench sucked.

Aw, the bench played pretty well (they were essentially the starting lineup).

It's just the third string guys who sucked.

[onechance87]

I enjoyed that until the last 5 minutes.. Birch nah let him go.. Sissoco needs to play in Austin.

so does wesley

[Kurik]

Aw, the bench played pretty well (they were essentially the starting lineup).

It's just the third string guys who sucked.

True! Just high expectations from how some of them played late last year and summer league.

[onechance87]

Aw, the bench played pretty well (they were essentially the starting lineup).

It's just the third string guys who sucked.

still had wesley out there....but he aint doing shit

[John B]

so does wesley

Nah I like Wesley.. he's a very good defensive player and that speaks a lot to Pop. His handles are much better. I think will see a much improved Wesley this year.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Ehhhhh....Imma need Sochan to focus on the game and not go out there actively trying to be the chippy guy.

I'll give him that he had like a 7-point spurt and some steals, but he has been looking pedestrian and kinda not doing anything out there.

Preseason jitters.

[rankingtear]

Cedi is getting a lot of minutes he is the forward version of Josh. Just a great fit on the team.

[scott]

Didn't get to watch today but heard Bassey had a really bad game.

I'm sure Rockets fans will feed on this high for the next 8 years.

[onechance87]

Cedi is getting a lot of minutes he is the forward version of Josh. Just a great fit on the team.

dude looks heavier

[Mr. Body]

Didn't get to watch today but heard Bassey had a really bad game.

I'm sure Rockets fans will feed on this high for the next 8 years.

Rockets fans have two days.

[Chinook]

I enjoyed that until the last 5 minutes.. Birch nah let him go.. Sissoco needs to play in Austin.

Birch I'm willing to let play more than a couple of minutes. A lot of his issues seem to be chemistry, which makes sense. I don't know what Sean was looking at -- Sidy is completely unplayable right now. That he has all of his dev points put into flashy passing is basically the least interesting thing about him. I really hope that the Spurs send him to the Toros to learn how to shoot and not try to make him a lead guard like they do with every single prospect for some reason. The lack of fundamentals most of the young guys show is astonishing.

[Mr. Body]

Some here really wanted to keep Reggie Bullock (0-2 shooting, zeroes across the board) over Cedi Osman (9 points, 7 boards, 2 assists, 2 blocks).

[poopbox]

Ehhhhh....Imma need Sochan to focus on the game and not go out there actively trying to be the chippy guy.

I'll give him that he had like a 7-point spurt and some steals, but he has been looking pedestrian and kinda not doing anything out there.

Preseason jitters.

I mean he's basically learning how to play point guard. Not an easy thing for a forward to do. He's going to go through some growing pains this year. And it might just not work with him playing point since he can't shoot.

[Atl Spur]

Nah I like Wesley.. he's a very good defensive player and that speaks a lot to Pop. His handles are much better. I think will see a much improved Wesley this year.
His handles aren’t good bro and bbiq is terrible.

[Atl Spur]

Birch I'm willing to let play more than a couple of minutes. A lot of his issues seem to be chemistry, which makes sense. I don't know what Sean was looking at -- Sidy is completely unplayable right now. That he has all of his dev points put into flashy passing is basically the least interesting thing about him. I really hope that the Spurs send him to the Toros to learn how to shoot and not try to make him a lead guard like they do with every single prospect for some reason. The lack of fundamentals most of the young guys show is astonishing.

Ummmm……. Sidy needs work but you may be stretching your assessment a bit sport.

[Mr. Body]

His handles aren’t good bro and bbiq is terrible.

His handles will improve and aren't terrible and you're straight up wrong about the BBIQ. Why are ST so stupid about evaluating this guy? Jesus.

[Mr. Body]

Ummmm……. Sidy needs work but you may be stretching your assessment a bit sport.

Actually, you're right about Sidy. Chinook may be worse than you overall.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I mean he's basically learning how to play point guard. Not an easy thing for a forward to do. He's going to go through some growing pains this year. And it might just not work with him playing point since he can't shoot.

It doesn't look like Sochan's handle is capable of pushing the point guard position right now.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oiXoDW5VOg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlyK1tXk4YQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j8T0H06Qtk

[Obstructed_View]

It doesn't look like Sochan's handle is capable of pushing the point guard position right now.

What a fucking shock that you have yet more criticism of sochan. :rolleyes

[Obstructed_View]

Birch I'm willing to let play more than a couple of minutes. A lot of his issues seem to be chemistry, which makes sense. I don't know what Sean was looking at -- Sidy is completely unplayable right now. That he has all of his dev points put into flashy passing is basically the least interesting thing about him. I really hope that the Spurs send him to the Toros to learn how to shoot and not try to make him a lead guard like they do with every single prospect for some reason. The lack of fundamentals most of the young guys show is astonishing.
I love Cissoko's court vision. But his defense is pretty abysmal and he can't shoot. His energy level is awesome as well. He's definitely a long term project.

[EricB]

I mean he's basically learning how to play point guard. Not an easy thing for a forward to do. He's going to go through some growing pains this year. And it might just not work with him playing point since he can't shoot.

Tre Jones can’t shoot either

so you either play the forward that ran the offense in Baylor, improved the defense and rebounding of the starting five,

Or you stay stuck in 1980’s basketball with a 6’1 point guard who all he can do is pass and keep falling behind the league.

seems like an easy choice.

[poopbox]

It doesn't look like Sochan's handle is capable of pushing the point guard position right now.

And it never will be if you don't give him reps.

Not saying I agree with it, but it is what it is i suppose.

[tim_duncan_fan]

What a fucking shock that you have yet more criticism of sochan. :rolleyes

Do I talk about him negatively alot or something or are you thinking I'm someone else?

[Obstructed_View]

Do I talk about him negatively alot or something or are you thinking I'm someone else?

Yes you seem to lately. Enough that I noticed it. Maybe you just have high expectations for him.