Wemby ROTY watch

[mudyez]

I know, we don't give anything about awards and so on, but how offen can we hope for this award?

Kudos to Arcadian...Just thought it would deserve it's own thread.


Rookie tracker

Wembanyama: 15/5/2/2/1
Miller: 13/3/2/0/0
Henderson: 11/3/4/0/0
Holmgren: 11/4/3/1/0


Lively 16/10/1/1/1

Hopefully it won't be a real race but a walkover for Wemby.
And btw if you missed it: The 65 game minimum doesn't matter for this award (even though playing less while others play a full season should be hard to overcome).

[Arcadian]

Game 2

Wembanyama 21/12/1/2/3
Miller 17/6/2/1/1
Henderson 7/3/2/1/0
Holmgren 16/13/2/1/7

[Mr. Body]

Miller has been more effective than I thought so far. Both he and Chet have more veteran teams with great PGs. Neither will be focal points on offense.

[baseline bum]

ESPN really hyping Wemby over Chet on Sportscenter tonight even though Holmgren had a monster game too, including a three to claw them back to a tie game with like 1:30 left and 7 blocks.

[Barfunk]

Not sure he'll win ROY, not if Pop keeps yanking him needlessly. Pop is probably going to have alot of us pulling out our hair this season when it comes to this. It's as if though Pop has always found gaudy stats offensive or something.

[timtonymanu]

Chet will be his biggest comp. The rest of the kids from Wemby’s draft class look so meh.

[BackHome]

Chet is a legit and his team is going to do some damage this year I don't see them tanking per usual

[itzsoweezee]

Chet is disqualified after getting embarrassed by Andre Drummond, of all people.

[Fireball]

ESPN really hyping Wemby over Chet on Sportscenter tonight even though Holmgren had a monster game too, including a three to claw them back to a tie game with like 1:30 left and 7 blocks. and the game recap on nba.com also makes you think Wemby is the greatest thing ever ... they did not mention his shooting struggles nor showed his FG% in the end ...

[spursparker9]

Chet will definitely be more efficient. He knows he is not the 1st or 2nd option with SGA and other on the team. He will focus on rebounding and blocking shots. His points will come without forcing it

[John B]

Wemby is becoming the go to guy in the 4th and he’s very willing to carry the team vs Chet as 3rd option at best in OKC. I think that will play well, plus Wemby is being hyped as the next global face of basketball, the NBA will cash in on Wemby and should suit them well if he wins the ROTY.

[Ocotillo]

Not sure he'll win ROY, not if Pop keeps yanking him needlessly. Pop is probably going to have alot of us pulling out our hair this season when it comes to this. It's as if though Pop has always found gaudy stats offensive or something.

Yeah, Pop has that "don't worry about awards, worry about getting better attitude" and that is fine with the personality of the typical Spurs star but we aren't winning a ring this year so it would be nice to through the fans a bone and play him enough that he earns ROTY.

[baseline bum]

and the game recap on nba.com also makes you think Wemby is the greatest thing ever ... they did not mention his shooting struggles nor showed his FG% in the end ...

It's kind of weird seeing a Spurs player get the Kobe treatment from the media now. Meanwhile on Sportscenter they ran through the OKC game quickly like Holmgren's 7 blocks were just something to mention in passing. Reminds me so much of 20 years ago when the national media couldn't give a shit about the juggernaut the Spurs had built and then called them accidental champions when they won it all. Thank god for free streams these days because the Thunder are a hell of a lot of fun to watch.

[onechance87]

wemby should be averaging 30 mins a game and 20 plus points a game....If not our coaching will be failing
him to bring out his true potential....We need to do a better job of getting him the ball when hes in the paint...
Hes unstoppable in there

[sfernald]

I couldn’t believe Wemby played so few minutes in an overtime game! Pop afraid to open his Christmas present apparently. But as much as I like Chet, I don’t see anyone overcoming Wemby for RotY. Wemby is by far the best player on his team and the number one option. Chet is maybe the third option at most. But OKC has such a good team. Chet really pushes the team over the top. Exactly what they needed. But I mean Wemby is the Alien. He 7’5” and he heats up like Kobe. WTF seriously!?

[Obstructed_View]

Seven blocks is nothing to be overlooked. Vic sitting almost the entire second quarter was another Pop mystery.

[DAF86]

Pop needs to get over himself if Vic is to have a chance at sniffing RoY.

[Spurs Homer]

The only obstacle to this is Pop.

The coaching staff only need to remind pop of one thing: wemby on the floor = winning
wemby on the bench = losing

From there Pop has to strategically plan his timeouts carefully, along with the other teams timeouts to ensure Wemby gets max minutes of rest - but most of his "rest" should be during timeouts - NOT during crucial stages of the game.

Last night was a perfect example of this: pop subbed wemby out IMMEDIATELY after that monster under the rim dunk -

and then Houston called a timeout - followed by a CHALLENGE - and when the game returned to play (after a timeout AND a challenge delay) wemby was STILL on the bench.

Just total dropping of the ball. Sure, the players need to get the memo that wemby is the unicorn and needs to be involved in every play - but pop needs to get the memo that it will be wemby - not pop - who will be responsible for the success of the team.

[Mr. Body]

It's not hard to suggest that Holmgren is a better interior defender. He also has a significantly better perimeter defense around him capable of funneling offense into him. His role is as their stretch-5 while Victor defends the perimeter more.

Victor clearly has conditioning concerns right now. Maybe he'll never be able to play full games. Probably he will, but Pop is keeping this in mind. I also think Pop wants to see how the team plays together without Wemby. They want to win games, but also need to develop these players and units.

Holmgren is also 20 months older than Wembanyama and has been in the league for a full year already. He's never going to be the focus of the Thunder offense. He has very set duties while Victor's are still in flux.

[Barfunk]

Yeah, Pop has that "don't worry about awards, worry about getting better attitude" and that is fine with the personality of the typical Spurs star but we aren't winning a ring this year so it would be nice to through the fans a bone and play him enough that he earns ROTY.

Yupp, agreed. Get some sort of excitement going while of course still progressing the team.

[z0sa]

It's not hard to suggest that Holmgren is a better interior defender. He also has a significantly better perimeter defense around him capable of funneling offense into him. His role is as their stretch-5 while Victor defends the perimeter more.

Victor clearly has conditioning concerns right now. Maybe he'll never be able to play full games. Probably he will, but Pop is keeping this in mind. I also think Pop wants to see how the team plays together without Wemby. They want to win games, but also need to develop these players and units.

Holmgren is also 20 months older than Wembanyama and has been in the league for a full year already. He's never going to be the focus of the Thunder offense. He has very set duties while Victor's are still in flux.

Big +1 about the conditioning concerns.

People wanting Wemby to play more aren’t reading his body language right. He’s got a long rookie season ahead of him.

Spurs fan, be patient. Unlike Timmy, Wemby’s not going to have another formerly MVP-level elite player barely past his prime (DRob)to lean on. He’s got Pop and that’s it - and Pop knows it. Contrary to some ppl’s opinion, Wemby no doubt is appreciative of the blows coach is giving him, at least at this point.

[Drom John]

Top 11 by B-R WS, very small sample size.

1) Chet Holmgren
2) Derek Lively II
3) Cason Wallace
4) Britany Miller weird sort for WNBA player, must be Brandon.
5) Sasha Vezenkov
6) Anthony Black
7) Kevonte George
8) Jordan Hawkins
9) Marcus Sasser
10) Tourmani Carrara
11) Victor Wembayama

38 out of 38) Scoot Henderson

[JPB]

Wemby will win it just out of scoring, which is the main thing people check. And he'll easily be a 20+ scorer this season. Chet is closer to his final self than Wemby who will get more and more comfortable as the season goes... Add in a few 30+ games, plus how clutch and "I've never seen that before" he is, and there's no real contest. Chet is a nice player and will get his stats, but he can't compete vs. the show Vic is putting on the court every night that gets you out of your seat... On that baseline (under the basket) dunk late in the 4th, ,you can see a couple of CEOs or whatever standing up, jumping and yelling on the opposite sideline like crazy kids... That's what Wemby does for you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhcvYgS5SuI

[mudyez]

Chet with easy baskets...hope we can make it as easy for Wemby once we find our offense.

[PrimeMinister]

chet playing really well within OKCs system...he will put up numbers, as will wemby. but they will do it in very different ways and in different situations

chet also really has no business guarding jokic

[JPB]

chet playing really well within OKCs system...he will put up numbers, as will wemby. but they will do it in very different ways and in different situations

chet also really has no business guarding jokic

Nobody does... Ironically Chet is more of a Duncan and more spursy in terms of play and attitude, He's all about fundamentals, quietly putting big number with low key attitude. Wemby is more about flashy plays and flexing.

[PrimeMinister]

Nobody does... Ironically Chet is more of a Duncan and more spursy in terms of play and attitude, He's all about fundamentals, quietly putting big number with low key attitude. Wemby is more about flashy plays and flexing.

was going to put the obligatory "nobody does" in the comment knowing that was coming in response....

jokic has gotten 22 of the easiest points largely thanks to chet. its beyond what you would expect from an all defense caliber center.

[Fireball]

Nobody does... Ironically Chet is more of a Duncan and more spursy in terms of play and attitude, He's all about fundamentals, quietly putting big number with low key attitude. Wemby is more about flashy plays and flexing.

currently watching the OKC game and must agree ... Chet shows very little emotion and does his job very quietly

[TD 21]

Media has telegraphed since the Spurs won the lottery that they're looking to give it to Holmgren, despite the logic (better team, streamlined role should equate to greater efficiency) being the exact opposite of what usually wins it, including last season.


its beyond what you would expect from an all defense caliber center.

Seriously? Jokic outweighs Holmgren by about 75 pounds. He has no chance to defend him in the post. His defense is more about weak side rim protection and potentially p-n-r than post up.

[PrimeMinister]

Media has telegraphed since the Spurs won the lottery that they're looking to give it to Holmgren, despite the logic (better team, streamlined role should equate to greater efficiency) being the exact opposite of what usually wins it, including last season.



Seriously? Jokic outweighs Holmgren by about 75 pounds. He has no chance to defend him in the post. His defense is more about weak side rim protection and potentially p-n-r than post up.

OKC fans have talked him up as a DPOY guy and they refuse to pair him with an actual center is my point lol

[exstatic]

wemby should be averaging 30 mins a game and 20 plus points a game....If not our coaching will be failing
him to bring out his true potential....We need to do a better job of getting him the ball when hes in the paint...
Hes unstoppable in there

He’s played two games, and in the one he didn’t commit dumb fouls to be chained to the bench, he played 31 minutes and scored 20+. :tu

[baseline bum]

Media has telegraphed since the Spurs won the lottery that they're looking to give it to Holmgren, despite the logic (better team, streamlined role should equate to greater efficiency) being the exact opposite of what usually wins it, including last season.


I think if they're close tie goes to Wemby because the media loves his flashy dunks and blocks and they're the voters. Really weird to be on the other side of that equation after how much the media ignored Tim and hyped guys like Kobe and TMac much more.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hlOOj47ejA

[rascal]

Nobody does... Ironically Chet is more of a Duncan and more spursy in terms of play and attitude, He's all about fundamentals, quietly putting big number with low key attitude. Wemby is more about flashy plays and flexing.

Rather have Wemby by far. Spurs need some flash in their players.

[Drom John]

B-R/Stathead WS (alas Raptor is no more), so early curve is steep. Several WNBA players are listed as same last named NBA rookies.

01 Chet Holmgren
02 Cason Wallace
03 Derek Lively II
04 Sasha Venzenkov
05 Ausar Thompson
06 Brian Miller not Britany
07 Gradey Dick
08 Jordan Hawkins
09 Kevonte George
10 Anthony Black
11 Marcus Sasser
12 Julian Strather
13 Kobe Brown
14 Jalen Pickett
15 Jaime Jacquez Jr.
16 Craig Porter Jr.
17 Hunter Tyson
18 Trayce Jackson-Davis
19 Taylor Hendricks
20 Filip Petrusev
21 Colby Jones
22 Jordan Miller
23 Nick Smith Jr.
24 Maxwell Lewis
25 Julian Phillips
26 Jett not Jennifer Howard
27 Jermaine Samuels
28 Collin Gillespie
29 Mouhamed Gueye
30 E.J. Liddell
31 Andre not Angela Jackson
32 Kris Murray
33 Leonard Miller
34 Jordan Ford
35 Ben Sheppard
36 Kobe Bufkin
37 Emoni Bates
38 Toumani Carrara
39 Rayan Ruper
40 Brice Senasabaugh
41 Vasilije Micic
42 Jarace not Jasmine Walker
43 Amen not Amanda Thompson
44 Bilal Coulibaly
45 Victor Wembanyama
46 Cam Whitmore
47 Scoot Henderson

[SpursFan86]

Chet with another solid outing tonight. 14/4/3/2/4 on just 5 FGA. Have a feeling Wemby might have the better raw stats that people generally look at (ppg/rpg) but Chet is going to be tough competition, especially if OKC is a solid playoff team.

[Drom John]

Stathead WS, after Suns game 31 October 2023, name mislinks to WNBA players fixed.

Positive players
01) Chet Holmgren NC
02) Cason Wallace NC
03) Dereck Lively II NC
04) Brandon Miller +2
05) Ausar Thompson NC
06) Sasha Vezenkov -2
07) Marcus Sasser +4
08) Kobe Brown +5
09) Gradey Dick -2
10) Jordan Hawkins -2
11) Tracy Jackson-Davis +7
12) Anthony Black -2
13) Keyonte George -4

0.0, AKA replacement players
14) Julian Strawther -2
15) Jaime Jacques Jr. NC
16) Jordan Miller +6
17) Jalen Pickett -3
18) Jett Howard +8 2 pt, 1 rebound, in 3 minutes, amidst replacement level others.
19) Hunter Tyson -2
20) Taylor Hendricks -1
21) Filip Petrusev -1
22) Colby Jones -1
23) Brandin Podziemski NEW
24) Maxwell Lewis NC
25) Nick Smith Jr. -2
26) Gregory Jackson II NEW
27) Julian Phillips -2
28) Jermaine Samuels -1
29) Collin Gillespies -1
30) Kris Murray +2
31) Mouhamed Guaye -2
32) Toumani Camara +6
33) Emoni Bates +4
34) Andre Jackson Jr. -3
35) E.J. Liddell -5
36) Leonard Miller -3
37) Ben Sheppard -2
38) Jordan Ford -4
39) Rayan Rupert NC
40) Keyonte Johnson NEW
41) Brice Sensabaugh -1
42) Kobe Bufkin -6

Below replacement level players
43) Craig Porter Jr. -27 22 minutes, 10 pts, 4 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, 3 turnovers, 3 PF, -9 +/-. Surprised this kind of drop, but from just postive, to just negative, with 16 nothings in between.
44) Vasilije Mcic -3
45) Jarace Walker -3
46) Kaiser Gates NEW
47) Amen Thompson -4
48) Victor Wembanyama -3
49) Cam Whitmore -3
50) Bilal Coulibaly -6
51) Scoot Henderson -4

[DAF86]

If Pop keeps:

-Playing without a PG that can help Wemby.
-Playing him out of position.
-Micromanaging his minutes with wacky rotations.

He's gonna cost Wemby RoY. I just hope it doesn't end up turning into another franchise player that wants to GTFO, tbh.

[spurraider21]

was saying in the offseason that Chet has an easier path to efficient productivity than Wemby since he has a very clear role on the team. he's asked to defend the paint and deter shots on one end, and being asked to hit open 3's and convert dunks on the other end. he came into this season a much better 3 point shooter than victor, and a more sound/disciplined paint protector. also by playing center, he's in a better position to pile on rebounds

wemby has a more diverse offensive role, but chet being able to specialize helps him quite a bit

where i was dead wrong was that i thought Chet was a better perimeter defender than wemby at this point

[Mugen]

Wemby is ROY as of now and he's still getting better. The only thing keeping him from the award is injury tbh.

[onechance87]

wemby gotta rebound a lil better,And stop turning the ball over....Has a good chance to be roy

[Drom John]

Wembanyama is second in the league in turnovers, behind Cade Cunningham. Fouls are a bit high.
Otherwise, Victor takes a Wembanyama Eurostep to the positive side of the ledger.

[R. DeMurre]

Top 11 by B-R WS, very small sample size.

1) Chet Holmgren
2) Derek Lively II
3) Cason Wallace
4) Britany Miller weird sort for WNBA player, must be Brandon.
5) Sasha Vezenkov
6) Anthony Black
7) Kevonte George
8) Jordan Hawkins
9) Marcus Sasser
10) Tourmani Carrara
11) Victor Wembayama

38 out of 38) Scoot Henderson


Scoot had some big red flags coming out of his second season with G League Ignite, namely that his impact stats didn't improve at all between years 1 and 2, which is extraordinarily rare for an elite player at that age. They actually got a bit worse. A very few draft analysts have stuck to this concern, but for most his occasional athletic highlight reel showing is enough to keep them convinced that he'll be an impactful star. I still think Brandon Miller was the better choice.

[Frenchfred]

Wemby is ROY as of now and he's still getting better. The only thing keeping him from the award is injury tbh.

I would say that Holgrem is ahead as of now. Stats are similar but way more efficient than Wemby

[tesseractive]

I would say that Holgrem is ahead as of now. Stats are similar but way more efficient than Wemby

It's easy to be efficient when you're the third option.

[baseline bum]

Wemby is ROY as of now and he's still getting better. The only thing keeping him from the award is injury tbh.

I know it's only four games in, but Holmgren is shooting 60+% from the three and doesn't have the high turnovers Wemby does, so he's clearly in the lead for ROY out of the gate IMO.

[DAF86]

It's easy to be efficient when you're the third option.

I haven't checked, but isn't Wemby the 3rd option behind Vassell and Keldon?

[spurraider21]

chet is actually averaging less minutes per game than wemby

[John B]

Wemby will win it because he is the future face of the NBA, and not Holmgren. ESPN will sell the alien mystic that is Wemby and will cash in on the merchandise. The media will build him up as the next most marketable commodity and it doesn’t help to diminish that by voting a different player.

[onechance87]

brandon miller off to pretty good start as well...If he keeps this up....He will be in the
race with wemby and chet

[Mugen]

I know it's only four games in, but Holmgren is shooting 60+% from the three and doesn't have the high turnovers Wemby does, so he's clearly in the lead for ROY out of the gate IMO.

The gap between their play is going to have to be significant in order for Chet to overcome the media narrative gap and win ROY. I don't see it so far tbh.

[mudyez]

Gotta say, that Wembys defensive impact just is way ahead of Chets. That has to count for something.

[DAF86]

Gotta say, that Wembys defensive impact just is way ahead of Chets. That has to count for something.

Not on RoY voting.

[cutewizard]

https://airalamo.com/posts/spurs-make-discovery-with-groundbreaking-lineup-in-fourth-quarter-comeback?fbclid=IwAR1jQzAXwQO_Zjozlfi1wSjx6xmj0dtO w0scySa5RZh1r27qCsiTqIZv99o

[cutewizard]

Spurs make groundbreaking discovery with unique lineup in fourth-quarter comebackBy Noah Magaro-George (https://airalamo.com/author/nmagarogeorge) | 5:00 PM CDT
With his team trailing 98-85 and 9:45 remaining in regulation, Head Coach Gregg Popovich unleashed a unique lineup of Tre Jones, Devin Vassell, Doug McDermott, Cedi Osman, and Victor Wembanyama. Though that five-man unit only shared the court for one minute and 23 seconds, they cut the double-digit deficit to five points. Thanks to their collective sharpshooting prowess, playmaking acumen, and defensive activity, the Spurs had a perfect environment for their teenage star to thrive.

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your comments guys?

[mudyez]

Well some small ball will often produce either a run for us or for the opponent. Might just use it when down.

[DAF86]

Spurs make groundbreaking discovery with unique lineup in fourth-quarter comebackBy Noah Magaro-George (https://airalamo.com/author/nmagarogeorge) | 5:00 PM CDT
With his team trailing 98-85 and 9:45 remaining in regulation, Head Coach Gregg Popovich unleashed a unique lineup of Tre Jones, Devin Vassell, Doug McDermott, Cedi Osman, and Victor Wembanyama. Though that five-man unit only shared the court for one minute and 23 seconds, they cut the double-digit deficit to five points. Thanks to their collective sharpshooting prowess, playmaking acumen, and defensive activity, the Spurs had a perfect environment for their teenage star to thrive.

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your comments guys?





Replace Osman with Sochan and that should be the closing lineup (should be the starting one, but "saving Wemby's body and whatever").

[spurraider21]

Replace Osman with Sochan and that should be the closing lineup (should be the starting one, but "saving Wemby's body and whatever").
you want mcdermott in your closing lineup?

[DAF86]

you want mcdermott in your closing lineup?

I speed read it and just assumed it was Keldon instead of McDermott.

Although, I do like the idea of surrounding Wemby with as much shooting as possible in some parts of the game.

[mudyez]

Well...I guess he is ahead now.

[MultiTroll]

1st or 2nd team All NBA tonight, easily.

Hopefully dem team mates will continue to learn how and when to get him the ball.

[koriwhat]

Unbelievable! He truly is something special.

[Arcadian]

He could be a top 5 MVP candidate like Rookie Tim

...IF he plays 32 minutes a game. Which he absolutely should.

[SpursFan86]

Selfishly wish he would’ve had this game on Tuesday night so it would’ve been on TNT…but regardless, Wemby putting the league on notice tonight. Obviously looked impressive even before tonight but this was one of the more dominant rookie performances I can recall seeing. Not just the statline but just the overall impact on the game - dude was unstoppable on offense and a brick wall on defense against one of the top teams in the league.

[TrainOfThought5]

https://media.tenor.com/onnmKSXLCvkAAAAC/the-one-he-is-the-one.gif

[z0sa]

Lol did Wemby just win Roty?

[Mugen]

:lol Chet Homeless being mentioned in the same breath as Wemby.

[spurraider21]

Think he just inched ahead of Chet imo

[Fizziksman]

:lol Chet Homeless being mentioned in the same breath as Wemby.

fake ass fucking rookie that we are supposed to pretend should be eligible because he got bulldozed.

[spursparker9]

ROY for sure. ESPN and the media has already started the narrative and running away with it.

Just stay healthy PLEASE!

[baseline bum]

Can't believe this guy is only 19

[Obstructed_View]

That was a textbook MVP performance.

[cutewizard]

Wemby is like the CULMINATION of the all time greats of the past

Like a young Chamberlain in speed

Like a young Jabbar in agility

Has the shotblocking finesse of Russell

Durant's shooting

Ralph Sampson 10.0

Shooting stroke might even be better than Nowitzi

and the confidence of Sabonis the Elder......

[cutewizard]

We pray that he is always, or generally healthy

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzyi0W2gymA

[CorrectCrusader]

This race is over lmao Wembuckets has it

[thiste]

2/3 more performances like that and he'll be a lock for the ASG.

[Ocotillo]

Chet who?

[exstatic]

2/3 more performances like that and he'll be a lock for the ASG.

He's a lock now. There is no way that the networks will tolerate an ASG without him in it.

[slick'81]

Dpoty?

[Proxy]

nov 14 they can both go at it again

[Drom John]

After Suns game 2 November 2023.
B-R WS

0.6 WS
1) Chet Holmgren

0.5 WS
2) Dereck Lively II +1
3) Marcus Sasser +4

0.4 WS
04) Cason Wallace -2

0.2 WS
05) Brandon Miller -1
06) Ausar Thompson -1
07) Anthony Black +5

0.1 WS
08) Keyonte George +5
09) Trayce Jackson-Davis +2
10) Toumani Camara +22
11) Kobe Brown -3
12) Sasha Vezenkov -6
13) Victor Wembanyama +35 Fabulous game, jumping from below replacement level to above.
14) Chris Livingston NEW

0.0 WS
15) Colby Jones +7
16) Andre Jackson Jr. +18
17) Jordan Miller -1
18) Ben Sheppard +19
19) Jalen Pickett -2
20) Craig Porter Jr. +23
21) Julian Strawther -7
22) Jett Howard -4
23) Hunter Tyson -4
24) Taylor Hendrix -4
25) Jordan Hawkins -15
26) Filip Petrusev -5
27) Emoni Bates +6
28) Brandin Podziemski -5
29) Maxwell Lewis -5
30) Gregory Jackson II -4
31) Nick Smith Jr -6
32) Julian Phillips -5
33) Kris Murray -3
34) Jermaine Samuels -6
35) Collin Gillespie -6
36) Jarace Walker +9
37) Mouhamed Gueye -6
38) E.J. Liddell -3
39) Jalen Wilson NEW
40) Leonard Miller -4
41) Gradey Dick -32 0 for 2, 1 assist, 1 turnover, 1 PF, 14 min, -17 +/-
42) Rayan Rupert -3
43) Jordan Ford -5
44) Keyonte Johnson -4
45) Brice Sensabaugh -4
46) Kobe Bufkin -4

-0.1 WS
47) Vasilije Micic -3
48) Jaime Jacquez Jr. -32 19 min, 1 for 9, 0 for 6 3P, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, 1 block, 2 turnovers, 4 PF, not horrible but dropped passed the replacement level.
49) Kaiser Gates -3
50) Amen Thompson -3
51) Cam Whitmore -2

-0.2 WS
52) Bilal Coulibaly -2

-0.4 WS
53) Scoot Henderson -2

[Spursfanfromafar]

After Suns game 2 November 2023.
B-R WS

0.6 WS
1) Chet Holmgren

0.5 WS
2) Dereck Lively II +1
3) Marcus Sasser +4

0.4 WS
04) Cason Wallace -2

0.2 WS
05) Brandon Miller -1
06) Ausar Thompson -1
07) Anthony Black +5

0.1 WS
08) Keyonte George +5
09) Trayce Jackson-Davis +2
10) Toumani Camara +22
11) Kobe Brown -3
12) Sasha Vezenkov -6
13) Victor Wembanyama +35 Fabulous game, jumping from below replacement level to above.
14) Chris Livingston NEW

0.0 WS
15) Colby Jones +7
16) Andre Jackson Jr. +18
17) Jordan Miller -1
18) Ben Sheppard +19
19) Jalen Pickett -2
20) Craig Porter Jr. +23
21) Julian Strawther -7
22) Jett Howard -4
23) Hunter Tyson -4
24) Taylor Hendrix -4
25) Jordan Hawkins -15
26) Filip Petrusev -5
27) Emoni Bates +6
28) Brandin Podziemski -5
29) Maxwell Lewis -5
30) Gregory Jackson II -4
31) Nick Smith Jr -6
32) Julian Phillips -5
33) Kris Murray -3
34) Jermaine Samuels -6
35) Collin Gillespie -6
36) Jarace Walker +9
37) Mouhamed Gueye -6
38) E.J. Liddell -3
39) Jalen Wilson NEW
40) Leonard Miller -4
41) Gradey Dick -32 0 for 2, 1 assist, 1 turnover, 1 PF, 14 min, -17 +/-
42) Rayan Rupert -3
43) Jordan Ford -5
44) Keyonte Johnson -4
45) Brice Sensabaugh -4
46) Kobe Bufkin -4

-0.1 WS
47) Vasilije Micic -3
48) Jaime Jacquez Jr. -32 19 min, 1 for 9, 0 for 6 3P, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, 1 block, 2 turnovers, 4 PF, not horrible but dropped passed the replacement level.
49) Kaiser Gates -3
50) Amen Thompson -3
51) Cam Whitmore -2

-0.2 WS
52) Bilal Coulibaly -2

-0.4 WS
53) Scoot Henderson -2

Appreciate you doing this. But Win shares are a flawed Box Score based advanced stat. Makes little sense to use this to compare rookies. It does not for e.g. measure the impact of a player defensively beyond box score metrics. It will for e.g. not be able to show that shooters are only shooting 20% or even low against Wemby or that they are scoring at less than 50% at the rim when he is around. These and other metrics are better captured by +/- stats (they too have their limitations but are much better off) but RAPTOR has ceased to exist. And LEBRON hasn't been updated for 2023-24 as yet.

So, as things stand, it is better to trust some raw numbers and the eye test to evaluate rookies rather than flawed box score stats.

[SpursFan86]

Chet with another really nice outing tonight. OKC narrowly lost to the Golden State on a Steph Curry buzzer beater.

24/8/5/1/1 on 7/9 shooting. Still think Wemby has a clear advantage (especially with how much media attention he’s getting) but give Chet his props…dude has been awesome this year. Not a huge fan of treating him as a rookie though, but that’s how the NBA does it so whatever.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Win shares is an aggregate stat and I am not sure that is the best metric. It is also not representative of defense.

[John B]

The media will play the Wemby vs Chet. But eventually it will be Wemby. The kid is the future face of this league.

[ambchang]

Win shares is an aggregate stat and I am not sure that is the best metric. It is also not representative of defense.

Win share is more or less an aggregate of stats but it also takes defensive ratings into play, and it does take defense into account.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html

The major flaw with ws though is how it’s hugely affected by the teams success. The same player having the same impact on a great team vs a terrible team would generate a vastly different ws number. I used to look at ws solely back in the day but context is required as well. Ortg, drtg, VORP and bpm are all important metrics as well.

[Leetonidas]

Chet with another really nice outing tonight. OKC narrowly lost to the Golden State on a Steph Curry buzzer beater.

24/8/5/1/1 on 7/9 shooting. Still think Wemby has a clear advantage (especially with how much media attention he’s getting) but give Chet his props…dude has been awesome this year. Not a huge fan of treating him as a rookie though, but that’s how the NBA does it so whatever.

He's been impressive but imagine how much better Wemby would look with Josh Giddey passing him the ball and SGA pulling attention from him.

[Obstructed_View]

Win share is more or less an aggregate of stats but it also takes defensive ratings into play, and it does take defense into account.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html

The major flaw with ws though is how it’s hugely affected by the teams success. The same player having the same impact on a great team vs a terrible team would generate a vastly different ws number. I used to look at ws solely back in the day but context is required as well. Ortg, drtg, VORP and bpm are all important metrics as well.

Would it be affected by a 40-point loss?

[4lifecowboy]

Is Chet really a rookie? I know he was injured, but he was on a NBA roster last year, plus he has the advantage of being in a NBA weight program.

[John B]

Is Chet really a rookie? I know he was injured, but he was on a NBA roster last year, plus he has the advantage of being in a NBA weight program.

Same thing happened with Blake Griffin. He injured himself before playing the regular season and was the ROTY the following season. Chet will be there. But too much house money on Wemby. Wemby sells. The big networks will push him hard.

[tbdog]

Same as Embid but he only played 30 or so games in his rookie year, despite missing the entire first season.

[Mr. Body]

Chet Holmgren is really good. He might have been a ROY over Banchero last year and I thought he should have gone #1.

The roles of the two are very different and they're pretty different players. Holmgren is really productive and efficient and will raise OKC's future considerably. He's the perfect anchor for them, mobile and aggressive as a shotblocker, smart and skilled, can finish very easily, works in transition, and hits threes. He's perfect.

I do think the league will adjust to Chet. This will help their guards overall, but they'll realize they need to be aware of him on both sides of the ball and I think there will be some success there.

Wembanyama has a completely different impact. He's a play-starter and maker, a first option, and his offensive skill-base is nearly everywhere. He's a better perimeter defender and not the same post defender. He's also twenty months younger and didn't have a year of development in the NBA.

Holmgren is going to be a mainstay for a very, very good Thunder team. I can see him being an overlooked star, but it'll be as more of a clean-up man. Wembanyama is a heliocentric figure. It's a pretty different situation in the long run.

[SpursFan86]

Chet Holmgren is really good. He might have been a ROY over Banchero last year and I thought he should have gone #1.

The roles of the two are very different and they're pretty different players. Holmgren is really productive and efficient and will raise OKC's future considerably. He's the perfect anchor for them, mobile and aggressive as a shotblocker, smart and skilled, can finish very easily, works in transition, and hits threes. He's perfect.

I do think the league will adjust to Chet. This will help their guards overall, but they'll realize they need to be aware of him on both sides of the ball and I think there will be some success there.

Wembanyama has a completely different impact. He's a play-starter and maker, a first option, and his offensive skill-base is nearly everywhere. He's a better perimeter defender and not the same post defender. He's also twenty months younger and didn't have a year of development in the NBA.

Holmgren is going to be a mainstay for a very, very good Thunder team. I can see him being an overlooked star, but it'll be as more of a clean-up man. Wembanyama is a heliocentric figure. It's a pretty different situation in the long run.

I mostly agree with this. I have a feeling Chet will be the perfect “complementary” piece (in quotes because that’s downplaying him IMO, but couldn’t think of a better term): all-defense caliber defender, floor spacing big who can give you 18-22 ppg while also being a solid playmaker. That’s incredibly valuable of course, but I’m not so sure he can be a 25+ ppg guy who has the run offense run through him night in and night out which is the path Wemby seems to be going down.

That being said, should be an incredible rivalry over the next decade with both of these guys as long as they’re healthy.

[ambchang]

Would it be affected by a 40-point loss?

Lol hugely.

The 40 point loss also magnified the impact of the small sample size.

[JPB]

Appreciate you doing this. But Win shares are a flawed Box Score based advanced stat. Makes little sense to use this to compare rookies. It does not for e.g. measure the impact of a player defensively beyond box score metrics. It will for e.g. not be able to show that shooters are only shooting 20% or even low against Wemby or that they are scoring at less than 50% at the rim when he is around. These and other metrics are better captured by +/- stats (they too have their limitations but are much better off) but RAPTOR has ceased to exist. And LEBRON hasn't been updated for 2023-24 as yet.

So, as things stand, it is better to trust some raw numbers and the eye test to evaluate rookies rather than flawed box score stats.


Win shares is an aggregate stat and I am not sure that is the best metric. It is also not representative of defense.

And it doesn't take into account clutchness.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Win share is more or less an aggregate of stats but it also takes defensive ratings into play, and it does take defense into account.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html

The major flaw with ws though is how it’s hugely affected by the teams success. The same player having the same impact on a great team vs a terrible team would generate a vastly different ws number. I used to look at ws solely back in the day but context is required as well. Ortg, drtg, VORP and bpm are all important metrics as well.

And defensive rating has many of the same issues as using fielding stats to describe defense in baseball.

[Mr. Body]

I mostly agree with this. I have a feeling Chet will be the perfect “complementary” piece (in quotes because that’s downplaying him IMO, but couldn’t think of a better term): all-defense caliber defender, floor spacing big who can give you 18-22 ppg while also being a solid playmaker. That’s incredibly valuable of course, but I’m not so sure he can be a 25+ ppg guy who has the run offense run through him night in and night out which is the path Wemby seems to be going down.

That being said, should be an incredible rivalry over the next decade with both of these guys as long as they’re healthy.

Pretty much. He's a fantastic piece for the Thunder. Looking at them, they have SGA and Holmgren and some great complements like Dort. I'm not 100% about anyone else, but they have gobs of draft picks to work with. They really need to be better than .500 this year.

[baseline bum]

I think Chet's going to be a better player than SGA in a couple of years as long as he can stay healthy and I absolutely could see him winning a title, hell multiples, as the #1guy in OKC. Definitely see him as another Garnett but with a supporting cast. If Victor and Chet can both stay healthy it's going to be a pretty serious rivalry.

[Mr. Body]

I think Chet's going to be a better player than SGA in a couple of years as long as he can stay healthy and I absolutely could see him winning a title, hell multiples, as the #1guy in OKC. Definitely see him as another Garnett but with a supporting cast. If Victor and Chet can both stay healthy it's going to be a pretty serious rivalry.

I'd be interested to see if he develops go-to moves. There's a reason why Drew Timme was the man at Gonzaga and Holmgren fed off the attention Timme got. I don't agree that he'll eclipse SGA, but there's a lot of development he can do. I just don't know if we see a #1 option whether on the perimeter or in the blocks.

[tonight...you]

I think Chet's going to be a better player than SGA in a couple of years as long as he can stay healthy and I absolutely could see him winning a title, hell multiples, as the #1guy in OKC. Definitely see him as another Garnett but with a supporting cast. If Victor and Chet can both stay healthy it's going to be a pretty serious rivalry.
I hope so. The NBA needs some fresh and compelling new rivalries.
The transition of the guard is here.

[Fizziksman]

Team needs to force feed Wemby. He's got the media on his side so Chet has to play beyond what he is capable to beat Wemby out for ROY

[Drom John]

After Raptors game 5 November 2023

B-R WS.

0.9
1) Chet Holmgren

0.6
2) Marcus Sasser (nephew of Jason Sasser)
3) Derek Lively II

0.4
4) Cason Wallace

0.3
5) Anthony Black
6) Ausar Thompson

0.2
07) Victor Wembanyama still first in turmovers, but only 2 to the Raptors, fits the eye-test, stat test rise of 6 spots.
08) Brandon Miller

0.1
09) Toumani Camara
10) Trayce Jackson-Davis
seven others

Bottom 5

-0.1
55) Brandin Podziemski
56) Kaiser Gates
57) Cam Whitmore

-0.2
58) Bilal Coulibaly

-0.4
59) Scoot Henderson.

[Arcadian]

The major flaw with ws though is how it’s hugely affected by the teams success. The same player having the same impact on a great team vs a terrible team would generate a vastly different ws number.

That makes sense, given that it's called win shares. Winning is literally in the name. :lol

[Arcadian]

Not a huge fan of treating him as a rookie though, but that’s how the NBA does it so whatever.

What's the argument against treating him as a rookie? If he had played a single game last season, he wouldn't be considered a rookie. Do you think just being around an NBA organization for a year made him more comfortable in the league or something?

[SpursFan86]

What's the argument against treating him as a rookie? If he had played a single game last season, he wouldn't be considered a rookie. Do you think just being around an NBA organization for a year made him more comfortable in the league or something?

Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not, but yes, I do think being directly exposed to NBA coaching, sports science, talent competition, etc. absolutely makes a difference.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

What's the argument against treating him as a rookie? If he had played a single game last season, he wouldn't be considered a rookie. Do you think just being around an NBA organization for a year made him more comfortable in the league or something?
he was healthy back in february
trained with nba coaches and prepared for the season

[Drom John]

After Pacers game 6 November 2021.

B-R WS.

1.0
01) Chet Holmgren (12th among all players)

0.8
02) Derek Lively II

0.6
03) Marcus Sasser

0.5
04) Cason Wallace
05) Auser Thompson

0.4
06) Anthony Black

0.2
07) Jordan Hawkins
08) Brandon Miller
09) Julian Strawther

0.1
10) Toumani Camara
11) Trayce Jackson-Davis
12) Jaime Jacquez Jr.
13) Collin Gillespie
14) Kobe Brown
15) Jermaine Samuels
16) Jalen Pickett
17) Victor Wembanyama
18) Jordan Ford
19) Andre Jackson Jr.
20) Chris Livington

Bottom 5

-0.1
55) Brandin Podziemski
56) Kaiser Gates
57) Cam Whitmore

-0.2
58) Bilal Coulibaly

-0.4
59) Scoot Henderson

[Barfunk]

So it appears there is some truth to the feed Wemby evaluations. 11FGA in 4 losses vs 19FGA in 3 wins. Of course, personally not gonna overreact as it's very early on and a small sample size, but those are the numbers thus far. Trust in Pop!

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxkviKFflt0&ab_channel=ThinkingBasketball

Tbh, Chet is much more consistent and he know what he can do and cannot.

Sure, Chet is 2 years old than Wemby and Wemby win in the natural talents and higher potential. But would be really scary if Chet develop further. He is already a solid starter (at any teams) at NBA level.

If Chet and Wemby are in the same draft class, there would be serious debate who will go first.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxkviKFflt0&ab_channel=ThinkingBasketball

Tbh, Chet is much more consistent and he know what he can do and cannot.

Sure, Chet is 2 years old than Wemby and Wemby win in the natural talents and higher potential. But would be really scary if Chet develop further. He is already a solid starter (at any teams) at NBA level.

If Chet and Wemby are in the same draft class, there would be serious debate who will go first.
nope

[ambchang]

That makes sense, given that it's called win shares. Winning is literally in the name. :lol

What I meant is that with WS, a lesser player on a better team will look better than a better player on a lesser team.

Also, the same player (mostly the borderline stars) will look drastically different on different teams. See Chauncey billups on the pistons vs everywhere else.

[CorrectCrusader]

After Pacers game 6 November 2021.

B-R WS.

1.0
01) Chet Holmgren (12th among all players)

0.8
02) Derek Lively II

0.6
03) Marcus Sasser

0.5
04) Cason Wallace
05) Auser Thompson

0.4
06) Anthony Black

0.2
07) Jordan Hawkins
08) Brandon Miller
09) Julian Strawther

0.1
10) Toumani Camara
11) Trayce Jackson-Davis
12) Jaime Jacquez Jr.
13) Collin Gillespie
14) Kobe Brown
15) Jermaine Samuels
16) Jalen Pickett
17) Victor Wembanyama
18) Jordan Ford
19) Andre Jackson Jr.
20) Chris Livington

Bottom 5

-0.1
55) Brandin Podziemski
56) Kaiser Gates
57) Cam Whitmore

-0.2
58) Bilal Coulibaly

-0.4
59) Scoot Henderson
Pretty good considering the start. He'll be #1 in no time

[CorrectCrusader]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxkviKFflt0&ab_channel=ThinkingBasketball

Tbh, Chet is much more consistent and he know what he can do and cannot.

Sure, Chet is 2 years old than Wemby and Wemby win in the natural talents and higher potential. But would be really scary if Chet develop further. He is already a solid starter (at any teams) at NBA level.

If Chet and Wemby are in the same draft class, there would be serious debate who will go first.
Chet didn't even go first in his own Draft

[Drom John]

After Knicks game 8 November 2023

B-R WS

1.1
01) Chet Holmgren

0.7
02) Dereck Lively II
03) Marcus Sasser

0.6
04) Cason Wallace

0.5
05) Ausar Thompson

0.4
06) Anthony Black

0.3
07) Jaime Jacquez Jr.

0.2
08) Trayce Jackson-Davis
09) Toumani Camara
10) Jordan Hawkins
11) Brandon Miller
12) Julian Strawther

0.1
13) Collin Gillespie
14) Kobe Brown
15) Jermaine Samuels
16) Jalen Pickett
17) Andre Jackson Jr.
18) Jordan Ford
19) Chris Livingston

0.0 AKA Replacement Level
20) Keyonte George
21) Sasha Vezenkov
22) Colby Jones
23) Colin Castleton
24) Ben Sheppard
25) Jarace Walker
26) Jordan Miller
27) Craig Porter Jr.
28) Nick Smith Jr.
29) Taylor Hendricks
30) Filip Petrusev
31) Gregory Jackson II
32) Malcom Cazalon
33) Onuralp Bitim
34) Emoni Bates
35) Brandim Podziemski
36) Hunter Tyson
37) Mohammed Gueye
38) Leaky Black
39) Jett Howard
40) Jalen Wilson
41) Amen Thompson
42) Kris Murray
43) Leonard Miller
44) Rayan Rupert
45) Victor Wembenyama

Bottom five
-0.1
56) D'Moi Hodge
57) Kaiser Gates
58) Gradey Dick
59) Bilal Coulibaly

-0.4
Scoot Henderson

[playbonner15]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxkviKFflt0&ab_channel=ThinkingBasketball

Tbh, Chet is much more consistent and he know what he can do and cannot.

Sure, Chet is 2 years old than Wemby and Wemby win in the natural talents and higher potential. But would be really scary if Chet develop further. He is already a solid starter (at any teams) at NBA level.

If Chet and Wemby are in the same draft class, there would be serious debate who will go first.

Chet has NBA training and a very good team around him. Wouldnt be mad if he gets ROTY

[rjv]

After Knicks game 8 November 2023

B-R WS

1.1
01) Chet Holmgren

0.7
02) Dereck Lively II
03) Marcus Sasser

0.6
04) Cason Wallace

0.5
05) Ausar Thompson

0.4
06) Anthony Black

0.3
07) Jaime Jacquez Jr.

0.2
08) Trayce Jackson-Davis
09) Toumani Camara
10) Jordan Hawkins
11) Brandon Miller
12) Julian Strawther

0.1
13) Collin Gillespie
14) Kobe Brown
15) Jermaine Samuels
16) Jalen Pickett
17) Andre Jackson Jr.
18) Jordan Ford
19) Chris Livingston

0.0 AKA Replacement Level
20) Keyonte George
21) Sasha Vezenkov
22) Colby Jones
23) Colin Castleton
24) Ben Sheppard
25) Jarace Walker
26) Jordan Miller
27) Craig Porter Jr.
28) Nick Smith Jr.
29) Taylor Hendricks
30) Filip Petrusev
31) Gregory Jackson II
32) Malcom Cazalon
33) Onuralp Bitim
34) Emoni Bates
35) Brandim Podziemski
36) Hunter Tyson
37) Mohammed Gueye
38) Leaky Black
39) Jett Howard
40) Jalen Wilson
41) Amen Thompson
42) Kris Murray
43) Leonard Miller
44) Rayan Rupert
45) Victor Wembenyama

Bottom five
-0.1
56) D'Moi Hodge
57) Kaiser Gates
58) Gradey Dick
59) Bilal Coulibaly

-0.4
Scoot Henderson

hard to take a metric that has the likes of mohammed gueye eight spots above wemby that seriously. vic is no worse than 5th at the moment and most likely 2nd.

[onechance87]

its like his team trying to make it hard for him to win roy

[Thomas82]

its like his team trying to make it hard for him to win roy

That's definitely what it looks like.

[Drom John]

After Timberwolves game 10 November 2022

B-R WS

1.0
01) Chet Holmgren

0.7)
02) Dereck Lively II
03) Marcus Sasser
04) Cason Wallace

0.5
05) Ausar Thompson
06) Anthony Black

0.3
07) Jaime Jacquez Jr.

0.2)
08) Trayce Jackson-Davis
09) Jordan Hawkins
10) Toumani Camara
11) Julian Strawther

0.1
12) Brandon Miller
13) Sasha Veznekov
14) Collin Gillespie
15) Kobe Brown
16) Jermaine Samuels
17) Victor Wembanyama

Bottom five

-0.1
56) Cam Whitmore
57) D'Moi Hodge
58) Kaiser Gates
59) Gradey Dick

-0.4
Scoot Henderson

[PrimeMinister]

Chet didn't even go first in his own Draft

the way people try to over correct is so funny, you're exactly right. there's no universe where chet goes 1 over wemby.

[spurraider21]

He should have gone first. Paolo is nice and was more nba ready as a go-to scorer but shortsighted imo

[itzsoweezee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxkviKFflt0&ab_channel=ThinkingBasketball

Tbh, Chet is much more consistent and he know what he can do and cannot.

Sure, Chet is 2 years old than Wemby and Wemby win in the natural talents and higher potential. But would be really scary if Chet develop further. He is already a solid starter (at any teams) at NBA level.

If Chet and Wemby are in the same draft class, there would be serious debate who will go first.

LOL

The geniuses on here

[MannyIsGod]

Chet is good but there's no way he's better than Wemby right now.

You switch them up and put Wemby with that team and I'm not sure OKC isn't a fringe contender. Look at what Wemby is doing on a team with way less talent and absolutely shit offensive and defensive systems.

It's a really stupid debate imo.

[MannyIsGod]

After Knicks game 8 November 2023

B-R WS

1.1
01) Chet Holmgren

0.7
02) Dereck Lively II
03) Marcus Sasser

0.6
04) Cason Wallace

0.5
05) Ausar Thompson

0.4
06) Anthony Black

0.3
07) Jaime Jacquez Jr.

0.2
08) Trayce Jackson-Davis
09) Toumani Camara
10) Jordan Hawkins
11) Brandon Miller
12) Julian Strawther

0.1
13) Collin Gillespie
14) Kobe Brown
15) Jermaine Samuels
16) Jalen Pickett
17) Andre Jackson Jr.
18) Jordan Ford
19) Chris Livingston

0.0 AKA Replacement Level
20) Keyonte George
21) Sasha Vezenkov
22) Colby Jones
23) Colin Castleton
24) Ben Sheppard
25) Jarace Walker
26) Jordan Miller
27) Craig Porter Jr.
28) Nick Smith Jr.
29) Taylor Hendricks
30) Filip Petrusev
31) Gregory Jackson II
32) Malcom Cazalon
33) Onuralp Bitim
34) Emoni Bates
35) Brandim Podziemski
36) Hunter Tyson
37) Mohammed Gueye
38) Leaky Black
39) Jett Howard
40) Jalen Wilson
41) Amen Thompson
42) Kris Murray
43) Leonard Miller
44) Rayan Rupert
45) Victor Wembenyama

Bottom five
-0.1
56) D'Moi Hodge
57) Kaiser Gates
58) Gradey Dick
59) Bilal Coulibaly

-0.4
Scoot Henderson

You have to be stupid AF to not understand why Chet has more Winshares and why that makes what Wemby is doing even more impressive. This is the absolute worst stat to use to compare them.

[Pauleta14]

Had Wemby been dunked on as many times and as embarrassigly than Chet was yesterday, it would be all over internet

[rascal]

You have to be stupid AF to not understand why Chet has more Winshares and why that makes what Wemby is doing even more impressive. This is the absolute worst stat to use to compare them.

Leaky Black > Wemby

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvGYATHz8_Y

[Big Empty]

Wemby needs to bring it against Chit today

[Obstructed_View]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvGYATHz8_Y

That sequence against the bulls where he's moving laterally looks fake. He moves so well it's scary.

[spurraider21]

"worse than thybulle" :lmao

[SpursFan86]

Media loved their H2H matchups for these types of awards…hope we get a dominant performance tonight from Victor and not a 7 TO one :downspin:

[spurraider21]

Ausar with 21-8-5 with 3 steals and 2 blocks on 9-12 shooting

[DAF86]

Pop is gonna cost Wemby RoY with all his bullshit. Nice way to get the French out of town in 4 years.

[mudyez]

Pop is gonna cost Wemby RoY with all his bullshit. Nice way to get the French out of town in 4 years.

Chill...He still gets the best Vegas odds and it's notnlike he is only playing half of the games.

[rascal]

Pop is gonna cost Wemby RoY with all his bullshit. Nice way to get the French out of town in 4 years.

He respects Pop. Pop has the titles. Wemby's going to win ROTY and he's going no where because the Spurs will get better.

[SAGirl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvGYATHz8_Y
Pretty amazing looking rookie. I am sold. Lol

[SAGirl]

He needs to play better at this point tbqh with you and not give you a homer take. He’s looked amazing sometimes and he’s obviously not going to be consistent with a combination of his youth/inexperience and bad team around him, but he does need to be better and regardless of what else Pop is doing, he needs to work with Wemby to get him better shot quality…

[SpursFan86]

Chet with a dominant performance tonight to lead OKC to an OT win over GS on the road. 36 and 10 with a 3 to send the game to OT.

Wemby firmly in 2nd at this point if we’re going off actual most impactful rookies. Whether the media will feel that way with all the hype is another story but no doubt Chet has been better to this point.

[baseline bum]

Chet with a dominant performance tonight to lead OKC to an OT win over GS on the road. 36 and 10 with a 3 to send the game to OT.

Wemby firmly in 2nd at this point if we’re going off actual most impactful rookies. Whether the media will feel that way with all the hype is another story but no doubt Chet has been better to this point.

Wow


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1TU09VZp3I

[NASpurs]

36 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 1 block with the buzzer beater and win in GSW is pretty sick.

[RC_Drunkford]

Wow


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1TU09VZp3I

imagine this Spurs team trying to inbound the ball in that situation :lol

[baseline bum]

imagine this Spurs team trying to inbound the ball in that situation :lol

I can't imagine this Spurs team only down 3 at the end of a game.

[z0sa]

Wow


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1TU09VZp3I

If only the (youngest team) Spurs had anywhere near the energy that the 2nd youngest team (OKC) has. They come out/end flat on quarter breaks and halfs, and botch timeouts, especially when Jeremy Sochan is expected to do passing.

[MultiTroll]

Victor Wembanyama on pace for NBA Hall of Fame (basketballinsiders.com) (https://www.basketballinsiders.com/news/victor-wembanyama-on-pace-for-nba-hall-of-fame/#:~:text=San%20Antonio%20Spurs%20rookie%20Victor%2 0Wembanyama%20is%20among,ended%20up%20in%20the%20N BA%20Hall%20of%20Fame.)


among six players in NBA history to record at least 200 points, 100 rebounds, and 25 blocks through his first 11 career games, and the five other stars before him all ended up in the NBA Hall of Fame.

[spursparker9]

Chet with a perfect game today in the blown out win against Portland.


16 pts 6 rebs 2 blks 0 TOs

100% FG%. 2/2 3s. 2/2 FT

[Obstructed_View]

Chet with a perfect game today in the blown out win against Portland.


16 pts 6 rebs 2 blks 0 TOs

100% FG%. 2/2 3s. 2/2 FT

Gee, it's almost like he's not a rookie.

[Manu20]

Wemby Stats thru 13 games....ROY worthy just don't look at the FG%, 3P% or TO :toast

19.3 points, 9.5 rebounds, 2.6 blocks, 2.4 assists, 1.1 steals

[Pauleta14]

Wemby prbably envie Chet

Such a massive difference starting your career in a good or bad team

[Mugen]

If only the (youngest team) Spurs had anywhere near the energy that the 2nd youngest team (OKC) has. They come out/end flat on quarter breaks and halfs, and botch timeouts, especially when Jeremy Sochan is expected to do passing.

They've got a significantly better coaching staff, including Chip tbh.

[Cry Havoc]

Pop is gonna cost Wemby RoY with all his bullshit. Nice way to get the French out of town in 4 years.

Honestly who cares about RotY. He'll get it or he won't. I'd rather him focus 100% on developing his game to the next level so he can win MVPs.

1 MVP is worth a decade of RotY awards.

[RC_Drunkford]

Honestly who cares about RotY. He'll get it or he won't. I'd rather him focus 100% on developing his game to the next level so he can win MVPs.

1 MVP is worth a decade of RotY awards.

He wants it because his goal is to outdo Jordan

[DAF86]

Honestly who cares about RotY. He'll get it or he won't. I'd rather him focus 100% on developing his game to the next level so he can win MVPs.

1 MVP is worth a decade of RotY awards.

They aren't mutally exclusive, tbh. In fact, if you win RoY, you have more chances of winning MVP.

[spurraider21]

Gee, it's almost like he's not a rookie.
Sure he is

[Obstructed_View]

Sure he is

Other than the whole extra year of prep, he's exactly the same.

[baseline bum]

Other than the whole extra year of prep, he's exactly the same.

Meh this is the first season he has played a game. He's a rookie.

[exstatic]

They aren't mutally exclusive, tbh. In fact, if you win RoY, you have more chances of winning MVP.

Malcolm Brogdon, Michael Carter-Williams, Ben Simmons, and Andrew Wiggins were all ROTY, and none of them will ever sniff a MVP award. If Chet wins, you can add him to that list, because in a year or two, there will be many voters who would want their pick back, and that colors future award votes. I’ve said it before: Chet will be very, very, good but his misfortune will come in the form of being Dominique Wilkins to Wemby’s MJ. He’ll be overshadowed and outplayed head to head over the course of their careers. Dominique is in the HOF and on the 75th anniversary team, and no one ever considered him to be the best player in the game.

[ginobilized]

If Wemby were not in the league, Chet would be the hands down ROY.

It might get pretty tight between them by season's end, but, I still have my $ on Wemby.

Chet is getting wins, though. That may very well help to mold him and could influence the outcome.

[exstatic]

If Wemby were not in the league, Chet would be the hands down ROY.

It might get pretty tight between them by season's end, but, I still have my $ on Wemby.

Chet is getting wins, though. That may very well help to mold him and could influence the outcome.

Most ROY are high picks on shit teams. Winning isn’t a criteria like it is for MVP.

[Jordan Jackson]

Chet is doing a good job being a Robin to SGA’s Batman. The guy is playing with an MVP candidate.
Expectations for Wemby is to carry a franchise and the league to an extent. The national media has already turned their attention to how awful this Spurs roster/players around him are. There is context.

Anyway, it’s only been 13 games. Chet probably wins rookie of the month though.

[SPURt]

If Wemby were not in the league, Chet would be the hands down ROY.

It might get pretty tight between them by season's end, but, I still have my $ on Wemby.

Chet is getting wins, though. That may very well help to mold him and could influence the outcome.
I’m not sure Chet is “getting wins”, if anyone on that team is “getting wins” it’s SGA

[baseline bum]

I’m not sure Chet is “getting wins”, if anyone on that team is “getting wins” it’s SGA

36 and 10 with the three to force OT in Golden State I'd consider getting a win.

[Cry Havoc]

Malcolm Brogdon, Michael Carter-Williams, Ben Simmons, and Andrew Wiggins were all ROTY, and none of them will ever sniff a MVP award. If Chet wins, you can add him to that list, because in a year or two, there will be many voters who would want their pick back, and that colors future award votes. I’ve said it before: Chet will be very, very, good but his misfortune will come in the form of being Dominique Wilkins to Wemby’s MJ. He’ll be overshadowed and outplayed head to head over the course of their careers. Dominique is in the HOF and on the 75th anniversary team, and no one ever considered him to be the best player in the game.

Chet looks like a great player but it's hard to see him in his current state leading a franchise. But who knows? He's very young and his game is already polished.


They aren't mutally exclusive, tbh. In fact, if you win RoY, you have more chances of winning MVP.

That's true for most players. Wemby isn't most players. There's no blueprint for this kid, he doesn't need to "earn" minutes like most rookies do, and the Spurs aren't worried about winning with him now, so they're choosing to take a much longer route to develop all of his skills rather than just focusing on what he can do now to win games.

When Jordan came into the league, he had just signed a massive deal with Nike, the Bulls were one of the worst franchises in the NBA, and he had to perform.

[Pauleta14]

Maybe Victor cares...

[Cry Havoc]

Maybe Victor cares...

Well then he can turn the ball over less and stop taking hurried 3s.

[Pauleta14]

Interesting, so u attribute those TOs and bad shots to his unwilligness to get the ROTY?

Let's stop mixing correlation and causation mate ;)

[SPURt]

36 and 10 with the three to force OT in Golden State I'd consider getting a win.
Great game, no doubt, Wemby has had similar moments this season. Night in and night out, SGA has been an MVP candidate. He’s 3rd or something ridiculous in WS and PER in the league. The Spurs fell to his play not Chet’s. Is Chet even in the position to win games without SGA?

[Leetonidas]

Yeah, Vic would look a lot better with Josh Giddey passing him the ball and SGA taking attention off of him on offense. Not to mention solid starters in Williams and Dort

Chet has played very well to start the season but considering his role and the fact that he's not actually a rookie I don't see how he has a better case than Wemby. Vic has to carry an entire team of bums on both sides of the court. Chet is like the 3rd or 4th option on O

[MultiTroll]

I'm sure Chet would be doing just as well on the Spurs with this lineup and Coach Retard.

Likewise I'm sure Wemby would be struggling mightily with SGA etc and the competent coaches on OKC.

[Pauleta14]

https://youtu.be/R-DK02cSNyw?si=fxWSyE4flBaIgKvQ

From 19'11

[Pauleta14]

Zach Harper summs up perfectly

[scott]

I'm sure there are a total of zero GMs who would take Chet over Wemby if given the choice, but that doesn't mean Chet isn't also awesome.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Chet looks like a great player but it's hard to see him in his current state leading a franchise. But who knows? He's very young and his game is already polished.



That's true for most players. Wemby isn't most players. There's no blueprint for this kid, he doesn't need to "earn" minutes like most rookies do, and the Spurs aren't worried about winning with him now, so they're choosing to take a much longer route to develop all of his skills rather than just focusing on what he can do now to win games.

When Jordan came into the league, he had just signed a massive deal with Nike, the Bulls were one of the worst franchises in the NBA, and he had to perform.

But Spurs aren't even attempting to try things with him... They're just watching him play pickup ball in the nba... They're not trying to see how he can do in a structured iso play... A structured screen play, etc

[Barfunk]

Lol, wrong thread, lol. :lol

[spurraider21]

Other than the whole extra year of prep, he's exactly the same.
lol prep. You mean a handful of summer league games where champ and Barlow were kobe and shaq, and a month of camp?

He’s never played an nba game before this year. Were Wembys years as a pro and playing in euro league considered prep? Was Manu not a rookie just because he was seasoned?

[Barfunk]

Stick a fork in the likelihood of this award.

[z0sa]

They've got a significantly better coaching staff, including Chip tbh.

Starting to become hard to disagree with this take, objectively, tbh

Not coaching a bunch of under-21's is about the stupidest thing I can think of, in a vacuum. Those are the dudes who need it the fuckin' most.

[Budkin]

Wemby is still winning it. Book it.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnOHsog0MnA

:lol Chet make 1st appearance is Shaqtin a Fool first. Thought that is a reminder that Wemby could be in for the same reason

[Killakobe81]

Honest question … why does ROTY matter so much to Spur fans?
If OKC offered you Chet for Wemby only a fool would say yes.
He has been training longer with NBA personnel he is older
And doesn’t have to adjust to a new country
You have the player with the better upside Wemby has #1 on a title team potential …wgaf if he don’t win a media award ?

[z0sa]

Honest question … why does ROTY matter so much to Spur fans?
If OKC offered you Chet for Wemby only a fool would say yes.
He has been training longer with NBA personnel he is older
And doesn’t have to adjust to a new country
You have the player with the better upside Wemby has #1 on a title team potential …wgaf if he don’t win a media award ?

If hes the best rookie but doesn’t win ROTY because his teammates suck at passing/ setting him up, shouldnt we be upset? For me its not the personal award but the negative reasons for why he DIDNT win (should that happen, hoping it wont).

[exstatic]

Honest question … why does ROTY matter so much to Spur fans?
If OKC offered you Chet for Wemby only a fool would say yes.
He has been training longer with NBA personnel he is older
And doesn’t have to adjust to a new country
You have the player with the better upside Wemby has #1 on a title team potential …wgaf if he don’t win a media award ?

There are so many mid players who’ve won in the last 10-12 years.

[exstatic]

If hes the best rookie but doesn’t win ROTY because his teammates suck at passing/ setting him up, shouldnt we be upset? For me its not the personal award but the negative reasons for why he DIDNT win (should that happen, hoping it wont).

If you need that much setup in today’s game, maybe you’re not ROY material. Maybe you’re not an All Star. Maybe you’ll never be an MVP or all NBA. Those guys get their own, and the help comes from secondary scoring when they’re doubled, not from assists.

[RC_Drunkford]

Honest question … why does ROTY matter so much to Spur fans?
If OKC offered you Chet for Wemby only a fool would say yes.
He has been training longer with NBA personnel he is older
And doesn’t have to adjust to a new country
You have the player with the better upside Wemby has #1 on a title team potential …wgaf if he don’t win a media award ?

because it matters to Wemby. He wants to be one of the greatest players ever, actually the greatest. So every accolade matters to him.

[exstatic]

because it matters to Wemby. He wants to be one of the greatest players ever, actually the greatest. So every accolade matters to him.

Are you reading his mail or something? Sounds like you’re projecting on him something that you want.

[spursparker9]

Another strong victory by OKC over Chicago.

18 pts 13 rebs 1 st 4 blks for Chet

[thiste]

Another strong victory by OKC over Chicago.

18 pts 13 rebs 1 st 4 blks for Chet

Wemby 22 pts 15 rebs 3 asts 1 stl 3 blks.

[Budkin]

Back on track tonight.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEkXOI5e-i0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFjiS2jUDE

[RC_Drunkford]

Are you reading his mail or something? Sounds like you’re projecting on him something that you want.

it's pretty clear from his interviews that he thinks he has the potential to out-do the greats tbh. He won't say it publicly, but his goal is definitely to be an all-timer. It's not hard to see.

[ambchang]

it's pretty clear from his interviews that he thinks he has the potential to out-do the greats tbh. He won't say it publicly, but his goal is definitely to be an all-timer. It's not hard to see.

I’m sure if magic or Hakeem won RoTY they would be considered all time greats. Too bad for them they only have one rookie season.

[playbonner15]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnOHsog0MnA

:lol Chet make 1st appearance is Shaqtin a Fool first. Thought that is a reminder that Wemby could be in for the same reason

Lol @ DominAyton, also saw Wemby make those kind of lazy screens

[horseshue]

Chet's 3 pts % is better than wemby's fg%. That is crazy. And net rating of +10 compared to -12. I know, that spurs team and coach poop is probably main reason why he is not doing as well as some of us were expecting, but damn, Wemby needs to get his shit together.

[exstatic]

Chet's 3 pts % is better than wemby's fg%. That is crazy. And net rating of +10 compared to -12. I know, that spurs team and coach poop is probably main reason why he is not doing as well as some of us were expecting, but damn, Wemby needs to get his shit together.

Banchero won it last year with a negative 9 net rating. High draft picks usually go to shit teams,so it’s pretty normal for them to have negative net ratings. Chet going to a better team is kind of the exception withhispositive net rating.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Chet's 3 pts % is better than wemby's fg%. That is crazy. And net rating of +10 compared to -12. I know, that spurs team and coach poop is probably main reason why he is not doing as well as some of us were expecting, but damn, Wemby needs to get his shit together.
Durant had -11.3 net rating in his rookie season

[Obstructed_View]

Of all the things I worry about in this world, Victor Wembanyama's mental toughness is near the bottom of the list. This kid has greatness written all over him. The team struggles right now are going to help him develop, and once this team has the Serbian in the rear view mirror they are going to be great.

About 10 spots lower is my concern about ROY.

[itzsoweezee]

Chet's 3 pts % is better than wemby's fg%. That is crazy. And net rating of +10 compared to -12. I know, that spurs team and coach poop is probably main reason why he is not doing as well as some of us were expecting, but damn, Wemby needs to get his shit together.

What are the on/off numbers? That should be more reflective of individual impact than net rating. Earlier in the year, wemby’s were really good, but I don’t know what they currently are

[DAF86]

Honest question … why does ROTY matter so much to Spur fans?
If OKC offered you Chet for Wemby only a fool would say yes.
He has been training longer with NBA personnel he is older
And doesn’t have to adjust to a new country
You have the player with the better upside Wemby has #1 on a title team potential …wgaf if he don’t win a media award ?

For the same reason that fans from all other franchises care if they players win RoY, MVP, DPoY, 6th man, make the all-star or an all-NBA team.

[John B]

Wemby 22 pts 15 rebs 3 asts 1 stl 3 blks.

I have a feeling this will be Wemby’s numbers going forward. Not only it helps him in the ROTY race but likewise the team having a better chance at winning him controlling the boards better and playing aggressive in the paint. As somebody mentioned and I agree, I think Wemby wants to be among the greatest and that includes winning the ROTY, and Pop will help him get those touches going forward.

[ambchang]

Wembys individual numbers are great across th board, with the exception of efficiency. Once PATFO decide to actually implement some type of structure in their game play rather than let them freelance wemby will be phenomenal. His scoring is better than what we all expected. His rebounding is stronger than what most people expected. His defense is great (again has to be magnified in a system). All he has to really work on is shot selection

[Pauleta14]

"wemby has to get his shit together"??? wtf

If he was looked for by his teammates his shooting % would be +60%

Surreal spurs fans

[z0sa]

If you need that much setup in today’s game, maybe you’re not ROY material. Maybe you’re not an All Star. Maybe you’ll never be an MVP or all NBA. Those guys get their own, and the help comes from secondary scoring when they’re doubled, not from assists.

Is that really a position you're willing to take with Wemby? That if he loses out on ROTY, it will be all on him and have nothing to do with guys like Sochan, KJ, et al missing him for wide open dunks repeatedly? There's plenty of evidence he's being missed by these guys to be had.

I get that one wants the generational talent to generate offense by himself consistently, but it's a team sport.

Free lobs/inside passes to athletic big men for dunks/fouls/etc is about as good as you can ask for in basketball efficiency wise, as long as the passes themselves are successful at a solid clip.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeGGCwOcEDQ

:lol Good chance that Chet might get 3 rings before Wemby even make the playoffs

[Splits]

What are the on/off numbers? That should be more reflective of individual impact than net rating. Earlier in the year, wemby’s were really good, but I don’t know what they currently are

Not overwhelming except in boards, but significant.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wembavi01/on-off/2024

Chet a bit less impressive:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/holmgch01/on-off/2024

[Splits]

1728091510086742216

says a lot, if not all

[Arcadian]

Chet's 3 pts % is better than wemby's fg%. That is crazy. And net rating of +10 compared to -12. I know, that spurs team and coach poop is probably main reason why he is not doing as well as some of us were expecting, but damn, Wemby needs to get his shit together.

Victor is mostly creating his own shots, while Chet is probably getting a lot of easy looks created by superior teammates.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Victor is mostly creating his own shots, while Chet is probably getting a lot of easy looks created by superior teammates.
that's not true
Victor
https://sun9-39.userapi.com/impg/VdeNHYV8Aha6Yb0O5nxZvsXyUgKqsbewnjDkuw/BRyQ0vivB2Q.jpg?size=93x69&quality=96&sign=945adb9c08773e6713469270ee391e81&type=album


Chet
https://sun9-20.userapi.com/impg/3tNmYcWlaglnhBnnAkgG_M6D2LZ8ByH_6Ow4og/7GscyGQ1g8Q.jpg?size=92x90&quality=96&sign=ca3c30c37b71118eeb43ec23701cd707&type=album

[Pauleta14]

Those stats don't tell the real story tho...

Most of the time Victor doesn't receive the ball in a position to shoot and has to create his shot whereas Chet is often free

Would be good to have the % of opened shots or dribles after catching the ball

[tbdog]

Holmgren another massive game. He is clearly in front now.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Holmgren another massive game. He is clearly in front now.

What? Just because he just went blow for blow with Embiid and scored 33 to. Joel’s 35? That means nothing.

:lol

[baseline bum]

What? Just because he just went blow for blow with Embiid and scored 33 to. Joel’s 35? That means nothing.

:lol

Starting to look like the best rookie since Tim

[spursparker9]

Those stats don't tell the real story tho...

Most of the time Victor doesn't receive the ball in a position to shoot and has to create his shot whereas Chet is often free

Would be good to have the % of opened shots or dribles after catching the ball


Voters would vote base on the concrete stats tbh. Yes, hypothetically, if Wemby switch team with Chet, Wemby might put up better numbers, but voters don't vote on hypothesis.

[spursparker9]

Wemby might be the better player in the long run but Chet is in such good position that he may win 3 rings before Wemby even make the playoffs. :lol

[Tyronn Lue]

It's amazing how well a talented big man can do if the opponent has to spend any energy guarding the rest of the team.

[scott]

One of these guys is going to win ROTY, and it will fuel the other for his entire career for a great H2H rivalry.

Right now, I think Wemby would win over a more deserving Chet, and it will amplify things even more.

[HemisfairArena]

Still going with Wemby to win ROY but Chet is looking more and more like the 2nd coming of Dirk Nowitzki,,,,,,

[cd98]

Look I like Chet, but he has top level talent that can punish if someone double teams him or get him the ball where he wants it. He also has a season of getting stronger, maturing, and learning the game. He also doesn’t have the media spotlight that loves you when you are amazing but hates you if you are average. Comparing Wemby’s season (including his empty stats given the Spurs are not prioritizing wins) to Chet’s season (much better teammates, coach, and system) is just not helpful in telling the story. Thunder would be a playoff team without Chet. He basically got the Robinson/Duncan situation with a team ripe to take the next step and Wemby got the typical “lottery” team.

[Obstructed_View]

Its the 94 Rockets question. Swap players. How would Victor be doing on the Thunder right now? How efficient would Chet be with these Spurs, even with the extra year?

[Barfunk]

I think if Chet were on this team, we'd have the same crappy record we have currently, maybe a little better as Chet is still right around 2 years older.

Wemby doesn't have the surrounding talent he does, and the coaching on the Spurs this year goes without saying, (it's not good). With that said, Chet is clearly leading the ROTY race thus far.

[Donald Sterling.]

11 straight losses for the best prospect since Lebron.

Wembustyama is now getting his shot swatted to the 5th row by 5'9 point guards :lol

It's over.

[Pauleta14]

Looks like most NBA fans love to hate on Wemby...

Pobably in opposititon to his main stream medias's hype

[Pauleta14]

11 straight losses for the best prospect since Lebron.

Wembustyama is now getting his shot swatted to the 5th row by 5'9 point guards :lol

It's over.

your point shows how biased the judgments towards Wemby are…

What would we hear had Wemby been posterised as many times as Chet lmao

It was predictable tbh, Wemby received so much praised that ppl were on the starting blocks waiting to shit on him.

pathetic

[pad300]

Still going with Wemby to win ROY but Chet is looking more and more like the 2nd coming of Dirk Nowitzki,,,,,,

Irk? Since when did Irk defend like that?

[Frenchfred]

I think that Wemby has more potential but as of now, Chet is better. We can say that he has better teammates but he is shooting better when open, Wemby still misses quite a lot even when open. Chet also dribbles better than Wemby. If Wemby can improve his 3-point shooting to 35% and cut his TO by half, then I think that he has a chance to win ROTY.

[Obstructed_View]

Inauspicious as his start is, there isn't a player you'd trade for Victor, let alone a rookie.

[cd98]

Pop still claims they run no plays for Wemby. We have not seen what Wemby can look like with a competent team and coach. Pop is more interested in protecting Kawhi from boos than putting Wemby in the optimal setting to improve.

[SpursBills]

Chet clearly deserves it. I don't think it's actually bad if Chet wins it, it is going to be a chip on Wemby's shoulder for the rest of his career.

[kace]

Chet clearly deserves it. I don't think it's actually bad if Chet wins it, it is going to be a chip on Wemby's shoulder for the rest of his career.

this race is still close and we're barely a fifth of the season..... lot of time for this thing to change.... not that i really care about this trophy but still

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Chet will run away with it

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd8bqZ8fJrg

[Pauleta14]

Do you guys just watch the highlights and stats of Chet??

He's not even close to Wemby

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Do you guys just watch the highlights and stats of Chet??

He's not even close to Wemby
yes, Chet is far ahead

[Gibbz]

OKC's roster is lightyears ahead of San Antonio's and Vic/Chet still have similar stats. Give Wemby a 31-6-6 MVP candidate PG and we'll see what his percentages look like. Be serious.

[spursparker9]

Definitely believe that Wemby is the better player in the long run.

But Chet definitely is in a good position to get all the awards and also develop further.

Something like Wemby is Garnett and Chet is Timmy. In term of team competency where it really helps

[TheBallsbreakers]

Do you guys just watch the highlights and stats of Chet??

He's not even close to Wemby
This. He's good but the difference is very evident. He's a 21-year-old "rookie" with a superstar teammate and a massively better team around him. Wemby meanwhile is forced to lead a ragtag group of players who are mostly barely making it in the league.

The race is close for winning and shooting splits still matter but there's no way in hell Chet is "running away with it".

[Vince Carter's ankle]

OKC's roster is lightyears ahead of San Antonio's and Vic/Chet still have similar stats. Give Wemby a 31-6-6 MVP candidate PG and we'll see what his percentages look like. Be serious.
Victor was never a good shooter, unlike Chet
so he definitely wouldn't have the same percentages

[Rocalcio]

Victor was never a good shooter, unlike Chet
so he definitely wouldn't have the same percentages


You don’t know that

[Vince Carter's ankle]

You don’t know that
Chet has almost 50-40-90
absolutely elite numbers
of course, I understand that you, as Victor’s compatriot, hate to admit this, but Chet has a much better developed shot
Chet is also ready and not afraid to play center

[Rocalcio]

Chet has almost 50-40-90
absolutely elite numbers
of course, I understand that you, as Victor’s compatriot, hate to admit this, but Chet has a much better developed shot
Chet is also ready and not afraid to play center

It’s not about being his compatriot or not, the fact is we all know Wembanyama is shooting way too many 3pts with little chance to score them. Maybe when he’ll stop
doing that his percentages will rise. And maybe Holmgren will stop shooting that good, as you said, he’s on a base of 50/40/90, which has been done by a very few players, and we don’t know if he’ll carry on at this pace. So, just like I said, we don’t know if Victor won’t be a better shooter, it’s a too small sample for the moment.

[tapiefan]

I'm pretty sure Holmgren will get a serious injury during the season.

[CorrectCrusader]

Wemby is better, he has to make everything himself and is still succeeding.

[sfernald]

I'm pretty sure Holmgren will get a serious injury during the season.

that’s terrible. If karma exists, Wemby may get one thanks to you. It is just as likely.

[sfernald]

Wemby is better, he has to make everything himself and is still succeeding.

Why does he take so many fall away turn around three pointers at 29% clip? That doesn’t seem like rookie of the year to me? He still is amazing like even in the shit Denver game he got like 6 steals and 4 blocks but that shot selection is total shit.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

It’s not about being his compatriot or not, the fact is we all know Wembanyama is shooting way too many 3pts with little chance to score them. Maybe when he’ll stop
doing that his percentages will rise. And maybe Holmgren will stop shooting that good, as you said, he’s on a base of 50/40/90, which has been done by a very few players, and we don’t know if he’ll carry on at this pace. So, just like I said, we don’t know if Victor won’t be a better shooter, it’s a too small sample for the moment.
so the problem isn't skill, but a lack of bbiq?

[Rocalcio]

Wemby is better, he has to make everything himself and is still succeeding.

I agree, he’s always the player the other team focuses on, he doesn’t have a SGA on his side.

[Rocalcio]

so the problem isn't skill, but a lack of bbiq?

I don’t know how you can come to that conclusion from what I wrote :lol

[R. DeMurre]

10 stocks in one game... that's the Wemby I want to see more of. Wait until he has another high level defender with length beside him.

[The Truth #6]

Chet does have more of an edge/aggression to his game. That helps when you're skinny and tall (though sort of made Shawn Bradley a thin skinned weirdo on the court.) But I digress. Wemby is awesome and will continue to be awesome. But Wemby still has to figure out his game. And I think he is slowly and steadily.

[TDomination]

its such a long season.

hearing things like "running away with it" is so premature its laughable.

both these players are obviously really good and it will be a close race.

wemby has to get smarter with shot selection for sure though. but i'm happy to see his rebounding numbers going up. we'll see his % go up and hopefully get some wins going.

[The Truth #6]

The race against Chet might actually motivate Wemby in a positive way. So I think it's good Chet is getting some ROTY attention. On a larger sense, a SA vs OKC future rivalry is interesting. Two small market teams in the middle of the country, far away from the preferred coastal darlings. The idea of it likely depresses Silver, which makes me smile.

[daslicer]

Chet definitely could win the ROTY but it's too premature say who will win it right now. Victor could have a stretch where he gets 7 straight 30-10 games and suddenly the narrative can flip.