Did PATFO dodged bullet by not offering 100mil to Austin Reaves??

[spursparker9]

He is averaging 12 pts 5 reb 2 asts....after helping team USA get 4th place in the world cup. :lol

[spurraider21]

now this is an Austin Reaves thread that Mr. Body can get behind

[ismael-robert]

We would only need him to outplay Sochan or Jones...at this point not asking for much

[poopbox]

We don't have AD or Bron...Reaves would be Forbes status on this team.

[John B]

Reaves is a nice glue player, scrappy and I think Pop would love him. But does he push the needle? If Sochan pans out at PG, he would be. And that’s what this “development” season is about. It’s not really about the record, but getting these guys get better playing together. I believe Pop is convinced that he can develop Sochan into a big defensive PG like a Ben Simmons with better offense. Pop knows there’s time while Wemby gets to NBA body. So paying too much for Reaves wasn’t it, because it would’ve cost more for Lakers not to match.

[BacktoBasics]

This guy is on a price appropriate contract. 100 million was and still is asinine.

[John B]

This guy is on a price appropriate contract. 100 million was and still is asinine.

That’s not how much Spurs would’ve paid to snatch him off Lakers.

[KobesAchilles]

If the Lakers were ready to match any offer like Mr. Body screamed 6000 times, then we didn't dodge any bullet. We just took away the cannon the Lakers were going to use to shoot themselves and replaced it with a water pistol. If anything we helped their franchise going forward.

And Reaves being the kick out person alongside Osman, Vassell, and Collins would've been a nice addition for our bigman. Whether or not that is worth 25 million, probably not.

[Spurs Homer]

i have never seen as much love and wasted threads on a scrub on spurstalk in decades...

dont get the infatuation with this scrub at all...

it seems the most threads all time will end up;

1) wemby
2) kawhitter
3) austin scrubly reaves

[DesignatedT]

Yes

[Obstructed_View]

No, because the Lakers would have matched. It was a move to damage the Lakers.

[MultiTroll]

Yes.
Overated.

Is set up by Lebron.

[scott]

Can't wait to see who our next Corey Maggette/Jermaine O'Neal/John Collins/Austin Reaves will be - players who don't become Spurs, and probably never had much of a chance of being Spurs, but ST.com obsesses over for years.

[heyheymymy]

Reeves to SA was always just a chimera. A mirage.

There was no middle ground between too low and LA will match, too high and you overpaid

[ambchang]

Can't wait to see who our next Corey Maggette/Jermaine O'Neal/John Collins/Austin Reaves will be - players who don't become Spurs, and probably never had much of a chance of being Spurs, but ST.com obsesses over for years.

You missed Scola and Sengun.

[spurraider21]

You missed Scola and Sengun.
even though he eventually joined, i would add Pau Gasol. when he left the lakers in free agency, the spurs were one of the many teams throwing the MLE at him, and it was being reported that he favored the spurs over any of those situations.

bulls ended up opening up space for a larger than MLE offer by using amnesty on boozer and signed pau. those ended up being the last of Pau's really strong years.

woulda helped our chances in 14-15 for sure when we lost to the clips, though also meant we wouldnt have gotten aldridge who gave us several outstanding seasons

also remember Brad Miller rumors for a couple years. other obvious inclusion is Kidd

[Mugen]

even though he eventually joined, i would add Pau Gasol. when he left the lakers in free agency, the spurs were one of the many teams throwing the MLE at him, and it was being reported that he favored the spurs over any of those situations.

bulls ended up opening up space for a larger than MLE offer by using amnesty on boozer and signed pau. those ended up being the last of Pau's really strong years.

woulda helped our chances in 14-15 for sure when we lost to the clips, though also meant we wouldnt have gotten aldridge who gave us several outstanding seasons

also remember Brad Miller rumors for a couple years. other obvious inclusion is Kidd

Add AK47 and Jermaine O'Neal tbh.

[kht]

I wanted Poole and Herro.

[james evans]

hell yeah they dodged a bullet. I never wanted dude. I have no idea why spurs fans believed in that fools gold. He is who he is. a decent 4th or option at best

[Fireball]

I wanted Poole and Herro.

:rollin

[spurraider21]

so after a rough start to the year (only making about 31% of his 3's through the end of november)...

Reaves now averaging 16/4/5.5 on 49/38/86 splits

has 29/14/11 against the Bucks today sans lebron including the big go-ahead 3 pointer at the end of OT

[MultiTroll]

has 29/14/11 against the Bucks today sans lebron including the big go-ahead 3 pointer at the end of OT
Ya after the Coc Rivers team completely flopped on a defensive switch, very impressive how he made that three pointer with no one within 15 feet and no one running at him either. Empty gym shot.

Look i like how he plays, but get him out of Disney ABC Laker Stern uniform and watch the FTA and other b.s. that comes with it and he's above average, that's it.

[scott]

Where is MannyIsGod? I don't even remember what his bet was or who it was against, but I'm curious if he is winning it.

[Proxy]

the FO is still in the positive from giving us James White like we asked for

[MannyIsGod]

Where is MannyIsGod (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=76)? I don't even remember what his bet was or who it was against, but I'm curious if he is winning it.

Its going to be hard for me to lose it. The bet was to average at least 30 mpg and play at least 50 games. I think they had to not be one of the 10 worst records in the NBA too.

[lefty]

AR is a good player, but not worth that money

[buttsR4rebounding]

AR is a good player, but not worth that money

Exactly. But the Lakers would have been paying it. They had to match.

[MultiTroll]

Exactly. But the Lakers would have been paying it. They had to match.
Why didn't any other team offer more thus drive the price up for the Lakers?

Were they ordered by the league not to?

Or is it just bad karma?

Tryin to think if teams have done this in the past just to jack w other teams.

[pad300]

AR is a good player, but not worth that money

Dunno, that's less than we are paying Devin ($100/4yrs vs $150/5yrs), and you can argue that Reaves has been better (especially once he got out of that big shooting slump in October and November). He'd fit quite nicely into the lineup either in place of Tre, or by bumping Devin up to SF (benching Champagnie), and Reaves at SG...
The lack of activity/interest on FA's this past summer does fit in with my theory that PAFTO tanked a second season to put more talent around Wemby.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Dunno, that's less than we are paying Devin ($100/4yrs vs $150/5yrs), and you can argue that Reaves has been better (especially once he got out of that big shooting slump in October and November). He'd fit quite nicely into the lineup either in place of Tre, or by bumping Devin up to SF (benching Champagnie), and Reaves at SG...
The lack of activity/interest on FA's this past summer does fit in with my theory that PAFTO tanked a second season to put more talent around Wemby.

Vassell’s contract is 5/135. His incentives are such that it’s incredibly difficult to hit and if he does you’d gladly pay him.

As for Reaves, he’s a good player and he deserved a better contract than the one he got.

[spurraider21]

Why didn't any other team offer more thus drive the price up for the Lakers?

Were they ordered by the league not to?

Or is it just bad karma?

Tryin to think if teams have done this in the past just to jack w other teams.
Putting the offer would have put cap space on hold. Needed the money to get a couple of throwaway SRPs for Osman and Payne

[JPB]

Dunno, that's less than we are paying Devin ($100/4yrs vs $150/5yrs), and you can argue that Reaves has been better (especially once he got out of that big shooting slump in October and November). He'd fit quite nicely into the lineup either in place of Tre, or by bumping Devin up to SF (benching Champagnie), and Reaves at SG...
The lack of activity/interest on FA's this past summer does fit in with my theory that PAFTO tanked a second season to put more talent around Wemby.

They tanked by asking Sochan to airball his wide open 3s, Zollins to regress to stiff status, Branham or Blake to stay lost on the court and everybody to ignore Victor on offense to have a shot at (maybe) a future role player... That's one master, collective plan.

[spurraider21]

Didn’t have to offer the full 100 mil. He signed for 4/52 so coulda just thrown 75-80 which he’d take and worse case the lakers match it and pay more than they are now. Instead he’s on a bargain contract

[pad300]

They tanked by asking Sochan to airball his wide open 3s, Zollins to regress to stiff status, Branham or Blake to stay lost on the court and everybody to ignore Victor on offense to have a shot at (maybe) a future role player... That's one master, collective plan.

The individual players have no part in a tank. A tank is when management/coaching is making decisions that are intended to get less wins than could be achieved with a given roster. Some obvious examples: Point Sochan, minimizing Wemby's minutes whenever there was an opportunity, not trying to bring in FA's to improve the team...

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Putting the offer would have put cap space on hold. Needed the money to get a couple of throwaway SRPs for Osman and Payne

Timing-wise the Spurs used that money to acquire the 2030 unprotected swap from Dallas.

[Bruno]

What's weird about Reaves this season is that his on-off stat has gone from great to awful. Last year he was +8.7 and this year he is -4.5.

When looking closely the issue is on the defensive end with Lakers being significantly worst when he is on the court. I don't know (nor care) if it's mostly because he is a defensive liability or if it's on the teammates he is pared with.

[spurraider21]

What's weird about Reaves this season is that his on-off stat has gone from great to awful. Last year he was +8.7 and this year he is -4.5.

When looking closely the issue is on the defensive end with Lakers being significantly worst when he is on the court. I don't know (nor care) if it's mostly because he is a defensive liability or if it's on the teammates he is pared with.
yeah last year he held up as a reasonable defender per the advanced stats, but totally fell off this year. not sure if its a consequence of him just getting targeted more, but on that team, i cant imagine "try picking on the unathletic white guy" was a new revelation this season

[JeffDuncan]

What's weird about Reaves this season is that his on-off stat has gone from great to awful. Last year he was +8.7 and this year he is -4.5.
…


He started 22 games last year, this year, 47. So he’s been playing a lot more against starters. That has to be a factor.

[lefty]

Dunno, that's less than we are paying Devin ($100/4yrs vs $150/5yrs), and you can argue that Reaves has been better (especially once he got out of that big shooting slump in October and November). He'd fit quite nicely into the lineup either in place of Tre, or by bumping Devin up to SF (benching Champagnie), and Reaves at SG...
The lack of activity/interest on FA's this past summer does fit in with my theory that PAFTO tanked a second season to put more talent around Wemby.
Agreed

Devin is better defensively though

[Tyronn Lue]

Brian Billy Beane Wright can make up the points in the aggregate. If Vassell was playing with AD and Lebron he'd probably do ok.

[MultiTroll]

Why didn't any other team offer more thus drive the price up for the Lakers?

Were they ordered by the league not to?

Or is it just bad karma?

Tryin to think if teams have done this in the past just to jack w other teams.


Putting the offer would have put cap space on hold. Needed the money to get a couple of throwaway SRPs for Osman and Payne


Didn’t have to offer the full 100 mil. He signed for 4/52 so coulda just thrown 75-80 which he’d take and worse case the lakers match it and pay more than they are now. Instead he’s on a bargain contract
Again, why didn't the Spurs or any other team?
Was well known the Flamers wanted to re sign Reeves.

Make some phone calls and find out please.

[spurraider21]

Timing-wise the Spurs used that money to acquire the 2030 unprotected swap from Dallas.
nah...

if they offered reaves 15-20 mil per year, they could have done so just by waiting on re-signing Tre for ~9 and not making the Payne trade at that time. the spurs had a lot of cap room to play with

[Splits]

nah...

if they offered reaves 15-20 mil per year, they could have done so just by waiting on re-signing Tre for ~9 and not making the Payne trade at that time. the spurs had a lot of cap room to play with

put those hands firmly around your ankles, and I'll give you Payne and some cap room to play with

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Brian Billy Beane Wright can make up the points in the aggregate. If Vassell was playing with AD and Lebron he'd probably do ok.

I like the Billy Beane reference. Totally appropriate in Wright’s case. :tu

[koriwhat]

Dudes too good on 2k24 though... :lol

[BacktoBasics]

Its going to be hard for me to lose it. The bet was to average at least 30 mpg and play at least 50 games. I think they had to not be one of the 10 worst records in the NBA too.

Get with me for payment

[lefty]

Dudes too good on 2k24 though... :lol
shiiiiiit
My TV dieded a few months ago, haven't replaced it yet because I'm not watching that much tv tbh

But I haven't played 2k in a while though :cry
:lol still on 2k20

[Mr. Body]

What's weird about Reaves this season is that his on-off stat has gone from great to awful. Last year he was +8.7 and this year he is -4.5.

When looking closely the issue is on the defensive end with Lakers being significantly worst when he is on the court. I don't know (nor care) if it's mostly because he is a defensive liability or if it's on the teammates he is pared with.

??

He gets picked apart on defense.

[Mr. Body]

If we signed Reaves to a contract just to monkey with LAL, we couldn't have done the Bullock trade.

[MannyIsGod]

??

He gets picked apart on defense.

This dude having a meltdown and crying himself to sleep over Spurs fans not being head over heals with the utter defensive black hole that is Branham is saying that REAVES gets picked apart on defense? His DBPM is slightly negative and he was positive last year. I can only imagine what you would say if Branham was as good a defender as Reaves.

[MannyIsGod]

If we signed Reaves to a contract just to monkey with LAL, we couldn't have done the Bullock trade.

This is wrong, but even if it was right, OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[MannyIsGod]

My apologies; quoting Mr. Body and saying "this is wrong" is pretty fucking redundant. MY BAD.

[BacktoBasics]

My apologies; quoting Mr. Body and saying "this is wrong" is pretty fucking redundant. MY BAD.

I owe you 200. Please PM cashapp, Venmo or PayPal info. I always pay my debts.

[MannyIsGod]

Just wanted to say that BTB paid his bet without me even having to ask. Stand up move.

[onechance87]

we should of overpaid him just to mess with lakers salary.Instead we overpaid collins,Great front office we got.

[BacktoBasics]

we should of overpaid him just to mess with lakers salary.Instead we overpaid collins,Great front office we got.

His contract is appropriate. No reason to tie him up in an over pay. I’d guess LA woulda walked away from a 80 million plus offer.

[onechance87]

His contract is appropriate. No reason to tie him up in an over pay. I’d guess LA woulda walked away from a 80 million plus offer.

la would of NOT walked away.They where saying they would match any amount offered.The main goal was to force la to use more their
cap on austin reeves so it would be harder for them to sign future free agents.

[BacktoBasics]

la would of NOT walked away.They where saying they would match any amount offered.The main goal was to force la to use more their
cap on austin reeves so it would be harder for them to sign future free agents.

They can say anything they want to run perspective teams off. I really don’t think they match 80 but perhaps.

There’s no way they would have matched 100 million dollars plus deal.

Either way I’m fine not having 80+ tied up in Reaves.

Again, his current contract is performance appropriate.

[Ocotillo]

Oof, I can see some user with the red circle with a slash with Reaves photo in it, if we had signed this guy for 100mil.

[KobesAchilles]

Oof, I can see some user with the red circle with a slash with Reaves photo in it, if we had signed this guy for 100mil.
I mean he’s playing better than Vassell of KJ so realistically he wouldn’t be our issue.

[LeBowen]

I mean he’s playing better than Vassell of KJ so realistically he wouldn’t be our issue.

Reaves is a solid role player, it's just that Lakers are so desperate for a #3 they're trying to convince themselves their role players are better than they actually are.
Redick is doing him no favors with this point guard experiment, he's obviously not one.
18/4/6 on 44/36/81 is good for a role player, the issue is that he's atrocious defensively, I'd say even worse than Keldon because Keldon at least has strength.
Reaves has been figured out and everyone will keep abusing on defense until Redicks figures something out.

He's still definitely worth those $13M a year, the issue is that if we were to get him, we would've had to offer at leats 20, if not 25 a year, which would make him a negative asset.

[KobesAchilles]

I mean we pay a backup SF 20 million a year and a 3rd string PG 10 million a year. I wouldn’t even want Reaves right now anyways so I’m not arguing. I just want order in our team and I’m tired of not seeing any.

It would be great if CP3 just took over our team tbh

[rjv]

i never wanted any part of the Lakers White Boy Carl. glad it didn't happen.

[spurraider21]

hes been better than devin for the last couple seasons, is getting paid less than devin, and is a proven playoff performer

[Kevin]

If Reaves ain’t worth a 100M then Dev is really bad at 130M. They have very similar career shooting numbers but Reaves has triple as many assists and twice the FT attempts while playing 60 games a year to Dev’s 50.

[rjv]

so then reaves would have been bad but just not as bad as Vassell. got it.

[John B]

Reaves is unplayable in the playoffs. He’s going to get cooked every time. So yup we dodged a bullet paying a starting salary for him. If only they had the same clairvoyance on Collins who’s not even sniffing minutes now, and damaging his stock for decent return on a trade. Oh well.

[Atl Spur]

Reaves is unplayable in the playoffs. He’s going to get cooked every time. So yup we dodged a bullet paying a starting salary for him. If only they had the same clairvoyance on Collins who’s not even sniffing minutes now, and damaging his stock for decent return on a trade. Oh well.

Can’t win them all! Zollins salary will help in a trade scenario at this point, all is not lost!

[spurraider21]

Reaves is unplayable in the playoffs. He’s going to get cooked every time. So yup we dodged a bullet paying a starting salary for him. If only they had the same clairvoyance on Collins who’s not even sniffing minutes now, and damaging his stock for decent return on a trade. Oh well.
reaves has been a good player in the playoffs though and with heavy minutes, averaging over 36 mpg. ... particularly in 2023 he was a very clutch shotmaker for them.

the lakers last 2 years theyve been eliminated by denver. im not sure how much of those losses fell on Reaves. some of it does... there were times he was defending jamal murray who has gone off against them, but they typically would just have reaves on KCP/MPJ/Bruce Brown and D-Lo was the primary on Jamal

to be fair, in the past i dont think teams have attacked Reaves as relentlessly as they have this year. but its weird to say he's unplayable in the playoffs when his playoffs track record is quite good

[scott]

I mean he’s playing better than Vassell of KJ so realistically he wouldn’t be our issue.

Haha, came here to say exactly this. If we'd given Reeves $25MM a year instead of paying Vassell, we'd have a better player for cheaper... so not really seeing a lot of room for a victory lap here.

[scott]

reaves has been a good player in the playoffs though and with heavy minutes, averaging over 36 mpg. ... particularly in 2023 he was a very clutch shotmaker for them.

the lakers last 2 years theyve been eliminated by denver. im not sure how much of those losses fell on Reaves. some of it does... there were times he was defending jamal murray who has gone off against them, but they typically would just have reaves on KCP/MPJ/Bruce Brown and D-Lo was the primary on Jamal

to be fair, in the past i dont think teams have attacked Reaves as relentlessly as they have this year. but its weird to say he's unplayable in the playoffs when his playoffs track record is quite good

Say what you will about Devin Vassell, but at least he doesn't get hunted in the playoffs........

[spurraider21]

Haha, came here to say exactly this. If we'd given Reeves $25MM a year instead of paying Vassell, we'd have a better player for cheaper... so not really seeing a lot of room for a victory lap here.
thats also assuming we gave him the complete max of 25mm on a 4/102 contract, and not just something like 4/88 or 4/75 that would have cleared the lakers max offer anyway, and forced them to make a tough choice to match

[sfernald]

He looked pretty rough defensively watching the rook chew him up.

[KingKev]

Reaves is unplayable in the playoffs. He’s going to get cooked every time. So yup we dodged a bullet paying a starting salary for him. If only they had the same clairvoyance on Collins who’s not even sniffing minutes now, and damaging his stock for decent return on a trade. Oh well.

So are Keldon and Vassel. Good thing we aren’t a playoff team.

[Seventyniner]

Say what you will about Devin Vassell, but at least he doesn't get hunted in the playoffs........

http://static.tumblr.com/niboaaw/0ZElzy10c/t219721_fry_i_see_what_you_did_there.jpg

[poopbox]

D lo was the abuse in the pick and roll guy for the Lakers and now that he's gone it's Reaves :lol

[exstatic]

Yes.

[cutewizard]

Hope we can get a cheap point forward with 3D skills, whether in free agency or via trade

plus someone in the draft

[MannyIsGod]

Do you guys expect the Spurs to build a championship team where no one can be hunted? If so then that will be the first time under the new defensive rules that has happened. You're not getting a player who's got reaves skills and is a defensive stopper for 25m per so it's just a stupid bar to set.

Reaves on this team is easy top 3 and probably top 2. Just weird af some of you are still acting like he's trash. Or dumb af rather.

[scott]

Do you guys expect the Spurs to build a championship team where no one can be hunted?

People here think Devin Vassell is untouchable and Keldon Johnson is worth a FRP, so obviously not, Manny.

[Em-City]

Do you guys expect the Spurs to build a championship team where no one can be hunted? If so then that will be the first time under the new defensive rules that has happened. You're not getting a player who's got reaves skills and is a defensive stopper for 25m per so it's just a stupid bar to set.

Reaves on this team is easy top 3 and probably top 2. Just weird af some of you are still acting like he's trash. Or dumb af rather.

I was in on Reaves and still regret passing on him

[Kawhi Duncan]

I was in on Reaves and still regret passing on him

Dude shoots 43% from the field... And that's WITH the advantage he gets from the refs being a white Lakers player... On any other team he wouldn't be able to throw himself around and get foul calls that easily, so he would shoot a worse percentage

[RC_Drunkford]

Do you guys expect the Spurs to build a championship team where no one can be hunted? If so then that will be the first time under the new defensive rules that has happened. You're not getting a player who's got reaves skills and is a defensive stopper for 25m per so it's just a stupid bar to set.

Reaves on this team is easy top 3 and probably top 2. Just weird af some of you are still acting like he's trash. Or dumb af rather.

Celtics and OKC don’t have any players who get hunted in the starting line up

[spurraider21]

No

A max offer for Reaves would have paid him less than Devin is getting

[onechance87]

Some fans said vassell was much better then reeves lol

[james evans]

Dude shoots 43% from the field... And that's WITH the advantage he gets from the refs being a white Lakers player... On any other team he wouldn't be able to throw himself around and get foul calls that easily, so he would shoot a worse percentage

pretty much

[spurraider21]

garbage. typer laker media hype machine.

[Killakobe81]

He runs a bit hot/cold …
Needs to improve on catch and shoot 3s
But a good facilitator and shot creator
His FG% has improved as the season progressed

[dn0774]

Should’ve at least threw him an offer sheet that the Lakers would’ve had to match.

[scott]

Why would you want Reaves when you have the opportunity to pay Vassell twice as much?

[Jordan Jackson]

I guess there’s still time for Vassell and his contract to pan out but yeesh.

Reaves turned out to be the better player and cheaper option. The talent evaluation and decision making by this front office is scary at times.


I don’t like the way nephew left - but I get it sometimes.

[Ice009]

I guess there’s still time for Vassell and his contract to pan out but yeesh.

Reaves turned out to be the better player and cheaper option. The talent evaluation and decision making by this front office is scary at times.


I don’t like the way nephew left - but I get it sometimes.

So what do you think happened with the Kawhi situation. I recall Timvp saying it was a bit on both sides (Kawhi and the Spurs) to blame.

[spurraider21]

So what do you think happened with the Kawhi situation. I recall Timvp saying it was a bit on both sides (Kawhi and the Spurs) to blame.
timvp also said there were some mistakes made by both parties but he wasnt willing to spill the tea at the time. maybe one day when he is resurrected

[John B]

Wow 4 pages thread on Reaves.. There’s Sengun thread, Haliburton. I should’ve started one for Jalen Johnson, but Reaves?? They better draft Kon or the site will explode :dramaquee