Game Thread: Toronto Raptors at San Antonio Spurs November 5th, 2023 | 2:30 PM CT

[poopbox]

this is one dumbass team :downspin:

[John B]

Cedi knocking that off Wemby’s :lol

[Arcadian]

What a shitass petfuck of a play call that was.

[BatManu20]

Sochan is a dumbass :lol

[Raven]

collins low key fouled there for the L :lol

[NASpurs]

Not the smartest group...

[Robz4000]

Raptors gonna tip it in for the win

[KaiRMD1]

That was just ... wow

[Degoat]

Sochan sucks

[Kawhi Duncan]

Pop outsmarting himself... Throw the fuckin ball to Wemby

[Mal]

Sochan is a dumbass :lol

Pop should have save one of timeout for that shit to happen

[weebo]

sochan sucks

[Pauleta14]

WTF

[KaiRMD1]

The basketball IQ on this team is something else

[emanueldavidginobili]

Lmaoooo pathetic. Gotta 6’7 guy on wemby clear out give him the ball and let him do whatever he decides to do. Stupid af.

[SpursRulez4eVeR]

OT

[Barfunk]

He throws it across the building to Collins and Collings wasn't even looking

[Philthemage]

Man Sochan needs to go

[Raven]

now get jones on the bench ffs

[Thomas82]

I would like to see Wemby be a little more selfish and put the team on his back in OT.

[KaiRMD1]

What's Sochan's appeal? Is he any good?

[JPB]

Give the freaking ball to Victor under the rim now.

[Fizziksman]

Sochan cannot be given responsibilities beyond defending and rebounding.

[Pauleta14]

Maybe tired legs for Wemby explains his passiveness (other than Sochan and Tre inability to pass him the F****** ball)

[JPB]

Still missing Devin after all.

[heyheymymy]

CIA pop is losing this one to help keep the raps out of the top 6 protections so the pick will convey

[KaiRMD1]

He throws it across the building to Collins and Collings wasn't even looking

That might have been one of the most boneheaded things I've ever seen

[Kawhi Duncan]

Sochan cannot be given responsibilities beyond defending and rebounding.

Seriously... Dude can't even layup the ball

[John B]

The danger of having a big lead. These young pups loses focus. The energy is low.

[Splits]

welp, was fun while it lasted

[BatManu20]

Sochan playing some low IQ basketball out there tbh

[John B]

They should’ve passed to Wemby in the paint and get him fouled

[Leetonidas]

Pop is a fucking moron

[BatManu20]

This might be the worst rebounding team in the league tbh :lol

[Mal]

Collins is being abused

[mudyez]

Fuck

[Thomas82]

Well, this one is over.

[Raven]

get jones out good lord

[NASpurs]

:lmao going through Collins

[Arcadian]

It's almost as if the giant person is more likely to score when he's closer to the basket!

Fucking retarded team.

[BatManu20]

Spurs deserve this L. Pop is a buffoon.

[KaiRMD1]

Nobody on this team knows how to rebound

[TDomination]

Did the spurs make a plan to try and win the game without getting wemby involved in the end?

[poopbox]

What was tre doing on that rotation :lol

I dont think we need to see to much of this Victor, Collins, Sochan lineup to close games. No shooting whatsoever.

[Leetonidas]

Why are we running offense thru Collins? Does the old man not realize we have the #1 pick? Wtf is this bullshit

[SayNoToDrugsTBH]

this team is soo dumb. pass it to wemby you cunts!

[heyheymymy]

That last 3 miss by shroedar wemby had the rebound but porter does a reverse linebacker clear out

Wembys upper torso holding the rebound whole his lower torso gets bulldozed backwards

Knocked Osman to the ground as well

Should've been wembys rebound

[baseline bum]

What the fuck is Zach Collins option #1 for? You just got an easy two points getting it to Victor 16 feet out.

[Splits]

disaster

[TimDunkem]

Wemby cleared out of the post for a Collins post up? wtf is this shit.

[thiste]

Victor running on fumes.

[MannyIsGod]

They give up way too fast on getting wemby the ball. They'll learn over time I guess but it's really frustrating to watch.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Tre jones absolutely getting dominated by Dennis lmfao.

[SPURt]

Playing like ass, it’s like they went to halftime and forgot how to utilize Wemby.

[tim_duncan_fan]

We are the one (1) team out of 30 that would be trying to post Zach Collins as first option when Vic Wembanyama is on the roster. Zach is not even a bad player, but we are the only team that would do that.

[LeBowen]

I can't stand Zach taking so many threes.

Shouldn't be in the game at all. This lineup is too slow because of him, he serves no purpose.

[SpursFan86]

Just mind-boggling that 3 days ago we were feeding Victor inside with tons of success and now it’s like we completely forgot that he’s on the team. Some of these offensive possessions have just been horrible.

[KaiRMD1]

We'd be good if the game ended at halftime

[Barfunk]

Zach Collins turning into Zeck Collings

[szkorhetz]

Wemby couldn't get a rebound to save his life.

[NASpurs]

"teaching moments"

[Kawhi Duncan]

Insane they rather give Collins the ball in the post vs Jacob than Wemby vs OG

[kace]

crazy, people can't even shoot 3's when wemby is around.

and they get him the ball closer to the basket for an easy 2..... only to get away from it the next possessions.... don't get it

[baseline bum]

Wow they got Victor the ball around the paint and he delivered. No shit.

[John B]

They need to communicate on those switches. They’re losing their man with an open 3

[mudyez]

He touched it.

[Raven]

still some fire in the team tbh

[timtonymanu]

Losing a big lead and then losing, shitty stuff but it’s a long season and you guys still have to be patient.

[Mal]

Sit down Collins, Poetl is not going 1on1 on Wemby regardless

[LeBowen]

Just when I thought Pop got over himself, he'll make half the fanbase hate Zach.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Jones has been god awful tonight. Should have built on Branhams game and confidence. Hes only 8-9 lmao.

[mudyez]

We are the one (1) team out of 32 that would be trying to post Zach Collins as first option when Vic Wembanyama is on the roster. Zach is not even a bad player, but we are the only team that would do that.

True...even Seattle and Vegas would not.

[Cry Havoc]

Sucks to lose this game but Toronto shot lights out from 3 and we didn't have our best scorer. Shit happens.

[daslicer]

It's almost as if the giant person is more likely to score when he's closer to the basket!

Fucking retarded team.

This is how I feel. This team freezes Wemby out a lot. They have some sort of grudge with him.

[Obstructed_View]

This game is on Tre. He has been beyond awful.

[LeBowen]

Losing a big lead and then losing, shitty stuff but it’s a long season and you guys still have to be patient.

It's frustrating because it's all on Pop and his lineups.
He should be past teaching moments.

[mudyez]

So close

[John B]

Tre Jones helped lost this for the Spurs, losing his man, going under leaving open shots.

[KaiRMD1]

That was just voodoo

[Raven]

honestly, not that bad of a game.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Foul tbh

[$pursDynasty]

Can't watch game but can the Spurs rebound??

[KaiRMD1]

There's no reason the spurs should have lost a game where they were up by 22

[emanueldavidginobili]

38 min for Wemby..16 shots

[Raven]

This game is on Tre. He has been beyond awful.

he did put the effort in though, like on that jump ball against otto porter, but damn he gets exposed all the time

[Fizziksman]

knew that press conference when Wemby talked about one night it will be me and other nights it will be others should have been the heads up that Pop is still being a moron and teaching this team that it doesn't belong to Wemby.

[BackHome]

I wonder how much Wemby is going to play tomorrow as we got an early game 6pm with the Pacers?

[hoopdreams11]

Zach 1-6 from three

[baseline bum]

Sucks to lose this game but Toronto shot lights out from 3 and we didn't have our best scorer. Shit happens.

Plus ran the offense to Kareem Abdul-Collins the whole fucking fourth and OT

[timtonymanu]

There's no reason the spurs should have lost a game where they were up by 22

I mean it happens all the time in the current nba

[Russo21]

Sochan 4pts 4reb 5ast 25%FG 0%3PT. Worst starting PG in the league by a mile

[Barfunk]

Boneheaded loss but eh, it's gonna happen with this young team...

[spurs10]

Choke

[BackHome]

So close

But Yet So Far...it was a fun game though...

[ducks]

Spurs can not buy a three

[mudyez]

There's no reason the spurs should have lost a game where they were up by 22

Hopefully the young guns will learn from that. Once my team lost a similar game and we always had their teamname in our timeouts when up big. We never lost like that again.

[TimDunkem]

Plus ran the offense through Kareem Abdul-Collins the whole fucking fourth and OT
That play in OT when Wemby was in the post, Tre wouldn't pass so Wemby cleared, then Collin's posted up and Tre immediately gave him the ball... Bizarre shit.

[LeBowen]

Zach 1-6 from three

Had 3-3 in one game against Phoenix, 3-24 combined in other games.

[Pauleta14]

Unreal to see teamates not taking advantage of such a weapon...

It can't just be low BB IQ

[BatManu20]

Competitive losses boys. It's what's best for us right now. You'd rather not see it happen in an epic choke, but it's a competitive loss all the same tbh.

[John B]

That was a stupid play at the end of the quarter, not looking and passing to Wemby in the paint.

[spurs10]

Sochan 4pts 4reb 5ast 25%FG 0%3PT. Worst starting PG in the league by a mile He missed lay-up after lay-up. Then turns it over. He can't inbounds the ball.

[KaiRMD1]

Honestly, it's been happening forever, I don't know why it bothers me still. Smh

[objective]

Plus ran the offense to Kareem Abdul-Collins the whole fucking fourth and OT

Ain't that the truth.

When did pop decide that Collins was the #1 option?

[$pursDynasty]

Sochan 4pts 4reb 5ast 25%FG 0%3PT. Worst starting PG in the league by a mile

Is there some G-league defensive PG we can call up?

[TimDunkem]

He missed lay-up after lay-up. Then turns it over. He can't inbounds the ball.
Doesn't do much well, tbh. Glorified hustle player.

[hoopdreams11]

Schoeder FIBA champion beat Brunson and Haliburton

[onechance87]

wow we let this one slip....Just lazy and dumb basketball at the end

[Gibbz]

I'm not going to make it this season if they keep featuring Zach Collins and Keldon Johnson over Victor fucking Wembanyama.

[kxs783kms]

Branham was money first half and then he ended up on the bench.

[TDomination]

Unreal to see teamates not taking advantage of such a weapon...

It can't just be low BB IQ

i can see jealousy seeping in lol

“i can be clutch too like Wemby”

But hopefully they’ll learn. It’s about needing to do what it takes to get wins.

[John B]

That was a young team not able to hold a lead.

[spursparker9]

CIA Pop tbh. This win for Raptors is to let them fall out of top 6 draft pick in 2024.

[dubross]

Do our guys not want to give Wemby the ball? With all that being said Wemby should be more selfish.

[Mr. Body]

Sucks, but you got to learn from these. Teams will raise their intensity to get the game back and you've got to rise up and stop them.

Good learning for them. We're .500 right now and that's great. Just remember this for next time. Keep going.

[Rocalcio]

This is how I feel. This team freezes Wemby out a lot. They have some sort of grudge with him.

Just shut up please…

[hoopdreams11]

we might get that pick after all

[LeBowen]

Branham was money first half and then he ended up on the bench.

Doug also had 4 threes only to be frozen out when noone could make a shot.

Maybe I'm wrong, but Collins shouldn't be on the floor in closing minutes unless there's a post player on the other team.

[BackHome]

Basketball is a team sport you just can't come down the court and dump it to Wemby all the time.

[thiste]

They packed the paint to avoid those easy buckets for Victor, but there was the option of letting him shoot mid-range the whole second half and they didn't take advantage of it...

[$pursDynasty]

That was a young team not able to hold a lead.

Was afraid of the same thing in the 2nd Sons game.

[TimDunkem]

Wemby should never take less than 25 shots per game.

[BatManu20]

CIA Pop tbh. This win for Raptors is to let them fall out of top 6 draft pick in 2024.

Nah. Raptors are gonna tank like nobody's business down the stretch of the season just to ensure they keep that pick.

This was just a young, dumb team with zero veteran leadership choking away a big lead tbh. And Pop shit the bed too.

[Degoat]

Sochan and Tre were so ass

[objective]

And what happened to Sochan's ability to dunk?

I swear ever since he became a point guard that he's turned into a below the rim player.

There was a play early in the game around the rim where last season he would have gotten up and dunked on the opposite side but now he's just bricking layups.

[ginobilized]

Bummer they went away from Wemby and McBuckets in the 4th qtr

Pacers game should be interesting

Hopefully, the Spurs make it competitive

[rascal]

Good result for the Spurs draft picks.

[Barfunk]

Basketball is a team sport you just can't come down the court and dump it to Wemby all the time.

Also true. Still shouldn't have lost this one. Hopefully we bounce back!

[Obstructed_View]

Sochan 4pts 4reb 5ast 25%FG 0%3PT. Worst starting PG in the league by a mile
Yet still the best pg on his own team by a mile.

[TD 21]

I knew this was coming, it's just a shame it had to happen to those pricks.

Pop is a senile fool. From over resting/under utilizing Wembanyama, to doing the opposite with Collins (and inexplicably playing him in a drop), to leaning too heavily on the dreaded Sochan-Jones combination, etc.

Not having McDermott, Osman or Branham in for the final possession of regulation was beyond stupid too.

[TimDunkem]

His first bad game in a long time and we ready to shit on him? Wow
Average at best in most areas, but a terrible PG, tbh.

[$pursDynasty]

Doug also had 4 threes only to be frozen out when noone could make a shot.

Maybe I'm wrong, but Collins shouldn't be on the floor in closing minutes unless there's a post player on the other team.

Maybe Pop was desperate for a rebound. Every update on ESPN gamecast said S Barnes rebound

[BatManu20]

Sochan and Tre were so ass

Yea those two definitely shit the bed in the 4th. Basically handed the Raps the game on a platter with their performances. Goes without saying, but Wemby desperately needs better talent around him.

[Obstructed_View]

He missed lay-up after lay-up. Then turns it over. He can't inbounds the ball.
Hard to inbound the ball when all four of your teammates aren't facing you. Tre was supposed to be the outlet in the backcourt and he was standing there watching.

[John B]

Some low energy in the 4th without urgency feeling they already won. Needs leadership in the court to keep plays and energy. This is when you miss any of the big 3 knowing how to pace games

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Pop absolutely fucked that one

Idiot

[baseline bum]

Sucks, but you got to learn from these. Teams will raise their intensity to get the game back and you've got to rise up and stop them.

Good learning for them. We're .500 right now and that's great. Just remember this for next time. Keep going.

All you could learn from today is Zach Collins isn't Prime Shaq so probably shouldn't be feeding him on the block every possession when the other team is making a run.

[TimDunkem]

Basketball is a team sport you just can't come down the court and dump it to Wemby all the time.
Collins and KJ both had more shots than him. Collins had as many touches in OT. Stop.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Pop absolutely fucked that one

Idiot

[baseline bum]

I really like Collins but WTF trying to go to him every time down the floor?

[Raven]

Is there some G-league defensive PG we can call up?

he had 3 steals

[TimDunkem]

Clear out Wemby! Zach's trying to post up! - Tre Jones in OT

[rascal]

Nah. Raptors are gonna tank like nobody's business down the stretch of the season just to ensure they keep that pick.

This was just a young, dumb team with zero veteran leadership choking away a big lead tbh. And Pop shit the bed too.

Most likely. I think they are going to unload a player or two at the trade deadline. They are going to want to keep their pick this year but Spurs can hope for the next two years after this for that pick to convey.

[onechance87]

Clear out Wemby! Zach's trying to post up! - Tre Jones in OT

lol...............

[Cry Havoc]

Plus ran the offense to Kareem Abdul-Collins the whole fucking fourth and OT

I'm honestly fine with that.

IMO when you have a player like Wemby, every season is either A) Contend for a title or B) Develop your players.

We aren't winning a title this year or next. So we need to put those guys in situations to get them experience. Leaning on Wemby is going to get him hurt and or tire him out. 82 games is a long season esp for a rook. Getting those guys numbers also makes them easier to move when we're ready to trade to step up in contention status.

[Mugen]

Branham not getting any minutes down the stretch when he was cooking all game? Wemby not seeing time at the 5 in favor of Zollins when the Raptors didn't have a C on the court during their run?

That's the old man I know tbh :lol

[PhantomDashCam]

All part of the process unfortunately. Disappointing result with confounding late game play.
Least Branham got it going a bit.
Would still much rather start Doug or Cedi to assist with spacing in the starting 5.
Oh well, on to the next one.

[Obstructed_View]

A reality that some of you need to face is that Victor is really not great in the post. He doesn't establish position well, he doesn't seal, and he doesn't really have any moves once he gets the ball. He freelances a lot. Makes it hard to swing the ball to him at the perimeter.

[Mugen]

I'm honestly fine with that.

IMO when you have a player like Wemby, every season is either A) Contend for a title or B) Develop your players.

We aren't winning a title this year or next. So we need to put those guys in situations to get them experience. Leaning on Wemby is going to get him hurt and or tire him out. 82 games is a long season esp for a rook. Getting those guys numbers also makes them easier to move when we're ready to trade to step up in contention status.

Zach was the only other guy they could have run it through? :lol

[Obstructed_View]

Branham not getting any minutes down the stretch when he was cooking all game? Wemby not seeing time at the 5 in favor of Zollins when the Raptors didn't have a C on the court during their run?

That's the old man I know tbh :lol
Yep. Pop being Pop for sure.

[daslicer]

Just shut up please…

Just go shoot yourself please.

[Mugen]

A reality that some of you need to face is that Victor is really not great in the post. He doesn't establish position well, he doesn't seal, and he doesn't really have any moves once he gets the ball. He freelances a lot. Makes it hard to swing the ball to him at the perimeter.

True but they could have still run some other action to get him looks before the game was already out of hand tbh. The PG play was absolutely atrocious though for the entire game, not sure how much it would have mattered.

[Obstructed_View]

Bummer they went away from Wemby and McBuckets in the 4th qtr

Pacers game should be interesting

Hopefully, the Spurs make it competitive
Branham was pretty reliable. Would have been nice to see him. At all.

[onechance87]

A reality that some of you need to face is that Victor is really not great in the post. He doesn't establish position well, he doesn't seal, and he doesn't really have any moves once he gets the ball. He freelances a lot. Makes it hard to swing the ball to him at the perimeter.

we havent even really seen him post up....Its like its not part of the game plan for some reason

[Cry Havoc]

Zach was the only other guy they could have run it through? :lol

:shrug

It's just a reg season game. These games only matter to title challengers. We're trying to get our guys looks and experience. Nothing is served by leaning on Wemby long-term. We already know he can take over/dominate when needed.

[Mal]

I blame Pop on this one. His rotation was, well, not optimal

[Obstructed_View]

we havent even really seen him post up....Its like its not part of the game plan for some reason

Because it's bad.

[kace]

A reality that some of you need to face is that Victor is really not great in the post. He doesn't establish position well, he doesn't seal, and he doesn't really have any moves once he gets the ball. He freelances a lot. Makes it hard to swing the ball to him at the perimeter.

a simple face up jump shot will do it..... it worked pretty well the few times we tried it, including today

[Cry Havoc]

I blame Pop on this one. His rotation was, well, not optimal

Pop uses fucky rotations every single year. Even in title winning seasons he would put some "We're probably going to lose the game" groups on the floor who then predictably shit the bed. Nothing new.

[mudyez]

First full game I saw this season and I have to say, that the PG play indeed is worrysome. You never feel save...never geht the idea that we control the action...more like we get played by the defense and sometimes find something, sometimes not (which gets really ugly).

I'm neither a Sochan or Tre hater, but well...Sochan probably will end up as more of a point forward option, while Tre is what he is...a backup.

Yes, Sochan will and should be given more time, bit I will scan the following drafts hard for PGs and hope PATFO are with me.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Basketball is a team sport you just can't come down the court and dump it to Wemby all the time.

When nothing else is working and he has a mismatch? Yes the fuck you can!

[baseline bum]

I'm honestly fine with that.

IMO when you have a player like Wemby, every season is either A) Contend for a title or B) Develop your players.

We aren't winning a title this year or next. So we need to put those guys in situations to get them experience. Leaning on Wemby is going to get him hurt and or tire him out. 82 games is a long season esp for a rook. Getting those guys numbers also makes them easier to move when we're ready to trade to step up in contention status.

I think it was a pretty bad loss. I was fine with losing to Dallas because Luka Doncic is just gonna bust young guy's asses, he's a first ballot HOF'er. But this Toronto team is pretty crap and it makes no sense to constantly go to Collins like Pop was calling 4-down for Tim to close out the game. Wemby got a couple of pretty easy 15 footers and I don't know why you don't keep going to that when it's such a great option. Especially when he doesn't have the strength to bang for position down low so you're not killing him fighting for position.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Average at best in most areas, but a terrible PG, tbh.

He always has one of the highest assist/turnover ratios in the league... Ur just talking at this point

[Sugus]

Man, I know Spurs making the playoffs and getting Wemby experience would be great and all, but I'm hoping they find some way to tank out the season in the end. Spurs are a prospect away from a dynasty-level core, and getting it next year when Wemby is youngest would be incredible...

:downspin:

[baseline bum]

His first bad game in a long time and we ready to shit on him? Wow

Gotta concur. Tre has been rock solid this season outside of that second half today.

[Kawhi Duncan]

I'm honestly fine with that.

IMO when you have a player like Wemby, every season is either A) Contend for a title or B) Develop your players.

We aren't winning a title this year or next. So we need to put those guys in situations to get them experience. Leaning on Wemby is going to get him hurt and or tire him out. 82 games is a long season esp for a rook. Getting those guys numbers also makes them easier to move when we're ready to trade to step up in contention status.

So I guess u think Wemby has peaked, then... So it's more important to develop Collins

[Kawhi Duncan]

:shrug

It's just a reg season game. These games only matter to title challengers. We're trying to get our guys looks and experience. Nothing is served by leaning on Wemby long-term. We already know he can take over/dominate when needed.

No we don't... Wemby needs to also develop... Stop talking as if he has reached his prime already and has nothing left to learn

[tim_duncan_fan]

True...even Seattle and Vegas would not.

Thought I edited before anyone could quote, but then again, those cities are coming soon enough.

[Pauleta14]

Spurs should rest Wemby tomorrow

[Dverde]

Sochan is terrible at point, but it’s a fantastic loss. Poop also showed he’s mid among the current crop

[itzsoweezee]

16 shots for Wemby is fucking stupid. Zach fucking Collins, Keldon, and Tre Joans are the go to guys now? What a stupid game. The scrubs (ie, everyone other than Victor) need to understand they’re just role players.

[onechance87]

wemby should be taking no less then 20 shots a game,Even if hes having a bad shooting night....If this team cant do that for him..This team
his holding his potential back and not doing there job in coaching.

[itzsoweezee]

:shrug

It's just a reg season game. These games only matter to title challengers. We're trying to get our guys looks and experience. Nothing is served by leaning on Wemby long-term. We already know he can take over/dominate when needed.

None of the other players matter. It’s literally Wemby and a bunch of expendable role players. The “development” of these other players has zero impact on the future of the spurs.

[onechance87]

None of the other players matter. It’s literally Wemby and a bunch of expendable role players. The “development” of these other players has zero impact on the future of the spurs.

its crazy....it seems like there treating wemby like a role player...like wtf

[Cry Havoc]

So I guess u think Wemby has peaked, then... So it's more important to develop Collins

Beautiful strawman. But to be expected from you. :tu


None of the other players matter. It’s literally Wemby and a bunch of expendable role players. The “development” of these other players has zero impact on the future of the spurs.

Zero impact? You do realize we're going to be trading several of them, right?

Y'all need to act like you've been watching basketball for more than two seasons with these kneejerk reactions. Young teams are going to lose games they should win. We're the youngest team in the league. Our superstar is 19 and you're acting like if his USG% is under 40 it's a crime against humanity.

Save the panic takes for 3 years from now when we're actually contending for a title.

[Raven]

we havent even really seen him post up....Its like its not part of the game plan for some reason

why would you post up when you can shoot over anybody?

[Russ]

None of the other players matter. It’s literally Wemby and a bunch of expendable role players. The “development” of these other players has zero impact on the future of the spurs.

I would have to disagree.

[itzsoweezee]

Beautiful strawman. But to be expected from you. :tu



Zero impact? You do realize we're going to be trading several of them, right?

Y'all need to act like you've been watching basketball for more than two seasons with these kneejerk reactions. Young teams are going to lose games they should win. We're the youngest team in the league. Our superstar is 19 and you're acting like if his USG% is under 40 it's a crime against humanity.

Save the panic takes for 3 years from now when we're actually contending for a title.

Lol. That’s the genius plan? Trade Zach Collins for a championship piece? Tre Jones? Keldon Johnson? Pump up their value by showcasing how bad they are? Tremendous logic there.

Yes, let the 19 year old superstar take control of the team in year 1. This is not hard.

[TekXX]

I missed the game, how did Toronto of all teams come back on us? I know we're going to lose a lot this season but you don't want to give up games. Bright side is Toronto is very close to bottom 6 so we helped them today.

[Fizziksman]

I missed the game, how did Toronto of all teams come back on us? I know we're going to lose a lot this season but you don't want to give up games. Bright side is Toronto is very close to bottom 6 so we helped them today.

Bombarded the Spurs with bullshit threes and the teams stagnated on offense, mostly underutilizing Wemby in the 2nd half.

[JeffDuncan]

I missed the game, how did Toronto of all teams come back on us? I know we're going to lose a lot this season but you don't want to give up games. Bright side is Toronto is very close to bottom 6 so we helped them today.


The Raps shooting heated up in the second half, and also their coach did a better job.

[Gibbz]

None of the other players matter. It’s literally Wemby and a bunch of expendable role players. The “development” of these other players has zero impact on the future of the spurs.

Facts. MAYBE Vassell. That's it.

[ace3g]

I hate when plays breakdown right from the start. Keldon and Tre Jones weren't on the same page on the switch.

[boutons_deux]

Spurs out scored 22 points in fourth quarter and OT

Wtf

VW should get at least 20 and 10 every game

[boutons_deux]

Spurs repeating their weakness from last season

Putting teams shoot! Uncontested 3Gs to lose the game

Raptors made 7 threes in the fourth quarter

Wtf

[MI21]

This was a hilarious result and was so reminiscent of how the great Spurs teams of the past used to blow games, just ridiculous stuff.

[heyheymymy]

gotta give credit to the Raps esp Barnes and OG

TOR started heating up and Spurs missed Dev

[paperboy77]

This game was kinda on everyone. Wemby was not making himself known, and everyone else sucked after halftime. Pop lived up to his historic shitty in-game adjustments self. Yeah our starting center shot too much and Jeremy is definitely not a PG. He's actually a very good hustle guy at the forward position but for some reason the priority is that he becomes a PG. This aint the triangle offence Pop! This aint Harper playing at PG for Phil Jackson!

Whatever. Next.

[baseline bum]

None of the other players matter. It’s literally Wemby and a bunch of expendable role players. The “development” of these other players has zero impact on the future of the spurs.

I disagree that none of the other players matter. The Spurs certainly need to see if Keldon or Jeremy is who they should keep and the PG experiment is them hoping they'll find a way out of that decision. But Collins being option #1 in the late game is beyond ridiculous. If you don't want to go to Wemby every time at least run plays for Keldon instead.

[ace3g]

I know it was a different scenario/pressure situation but that final play in regulation reminded me of Game 6... all the little details that resulted in us not getting the final rebound. Missed 3 ball was from the same left wing...

[Obstructed_View]

At least the people who shit on Sochan after a nine assist game have something to bitch about for a change.

[spurraider21]

I don’t think there was one particular scapegoat.

managing to lose that game after both of keldon buzzer beaters is pretty shitty though

[spurraider21]

At least the people who shit on Sochan after a nine assist game have something to bitch about for a change.
Inconsistency and unreliability are bad things, yes

[KobesAchilles]

Giving the ball to others to miss will help Wemby in the long run. You guys have the patience of children. Give it years and of waiting and hopefully by then Wemby will have EARNED the right to get the ball in crunch time over Zack Collins. Besides we aren’t trying to win anyways. Losing is good. Our role players that everybody loves have been in the league for 3-5 years now. It’ll take 8-10 years before we can say they are ready to learn how to win. Winning isn’t part of our timeline

[John B]

Spurs repeating their weakness from last season

Putting teams shoot! Uncontested 3Gs to lose the game

Raptors made 7 threes in the fourth quarter

Wtf

That’s why Spurs lost. Granted the Spurs played awful in the 4th and OT. But also the Raptors played incredibly well hitting 7 3 pointers.

[BackHome]

Beautiful strawman. But to be expected from you. :tu



Zero impact? You do realize we're going to be trading several of them, right?

Y'all need to act like you've been watching basketball for more than two seasons with these kneejerk reactions. Young teams are going to lose games they should win. We're the youngest team in the league. Our superstar is 19 and you're acting like if his USG% is under 40 it's a crime against humanity.

Save the panic takes for 3 years from now when we're actually contending for a title.

Yeah, people keep thinking that a skinny 19 year old kid is going to take us to the Final his first year. I can't wait to read how come Pop didn't play Wemby 30+ minutes in our game tomorrow..lol It's a process it is going to take some time and Yes Wemby has things he needs to work on just like every other player. One thing is that I will always give Pop credit for putting us in a position to have a legit chance in getting him so I will give him slack he needs in his last Swan year or years.

As far as what we have I think we have great building blocks we got our legit All Star we got potentially a great running mate in Vassell and a Jake of all trades in Sochan. We also got a ton of draft capital so hopefully we hit on some of those like we did with Wemby. Who knows what the future holds as it is shown your just one draft pick away from changing your franchise all we need is some more good luck..

[Arcadian]

I missed the game, how did Toronto of all teams come back on us? I know we're going to lose a lot this season but you don't want to give up games. Bright side is Toronto is very close to bottom 6 so we helped them today.

Regression to the mean. Toronto shot 29% in the first half, and then they were on fire in the second half.

And the Spurs played retarded too. "Let's run plays for everybody else except our giant superstar!"

[John B]

They actually surpass the expectations with .500 records after 6 games. Not too bad. I think they are very capable if they can learn from their mistakes. There are instances that they play great on bith sides of the court. They need to learn how to do that in 48 minutes. Tall order but that will come with experience. Again this season is more about learning. Keep pounding the rock.

[Jay.From.NbTx]

Jones and Sochan were TERRIBLE today , bad play after bad play on both sides of the floor. I’m done with Sochan fr.

[spursparker9]

Should have won at end of regulation.

Freak of luck that Cedi knocked onto Wemby and made him lost the ball.

[Rocalcio]

Just go shoot yourself please.

You know I can sue you for that Moron ?

[Vince Carter's ankle]

wemby should be taking no less then 20 shots a game,Even if hes having a bad shooting night....If this team cant do that for him..This team
his holding his potential back and not doing there job in coaching.
if you don't limit a young player and let him do whatever he wants, you get Jalen Green

[Kawhi Duncan]

wemby should be taking no less then 20 shots a game,Even if hes having a bad shooting night....If this team cant do that for him..This team
his holding his potential back and not doing there job in coaching.

Completely agree... Team ball isn't evenly distributing shots among everybody... It's having ppl play their roles perfectly... Wemby is developing and because he is such a unique player, we need to get him going and see the extent of his talent... He needs to hold the ball more, and not simply be just a finisher, too... Make him control the pick and roll... Come off mid screens to here he can either attack or shoot... Simple things like that

[Kawhi Duncan]

if you don't limit a young player and let him do whatever he wants, you get Jalen Green

U being extreme... When Duncan was a rookie, he was given the keys, immediately... Same as MJ... these guys were able to develop faster because of that and hit their primes quicker... Once that happens, it's much easier to build around them to see what u have... Also it doesn't make them disgruntled... You nuts if you don't think Victor gets upset that he isn't getting more shots, or able to showcase his abilities... Steph Curry being able to do what he wants is what changed the NBA once he started to hit 40 footers... When u have generational talents, you don't treat them like roleplayers for the sake of being "fair"

[Kawhi Duncan]

I disagree that none of the other players matter. The Spurs certainly need to see if Keldon or Jeremy is who they should keep and the PG experiment is them hoping they'll find a way out of that decision. But Collins being option #1 in the late game is beyond ridiculous. If you don't want to go to Wemby every time at least run plays for Keldon instead.

Keldon has a better attitude, can shoot, and can make a fucking layup

[Kawhi Duncan]

Yeah, people keep thinking that a skinny 19 year old kid is going to take us to the Final his first year. I can't wait to read how come Pop didn't play Wemby 30+ minutes in our game tomorrow..lol It's a process it is going to take some time and Yes Wemby has things he needs to work on just like every other player. One thing is that I will always give Pop credit for putting us in a position to have a legit chance in getting him so I will give him slack he needs in his last Swan year or years.

As far as what we have I think we have great building blocks we got our legit All Star we got potentially a great running mate in Vassell and a Jake of all trades in Sochan. We also got a ton of draft capital so hopefully we hit on some of those like we did with Wemby. Who knows what the future holds as it is shown your just one draft pick away from changing your franchise all we need is some more good luck..

That skinny 19 year old will never develop the confidence and ability to take us to a ring if he is shooting as many shots as Zach Collins

[Kawhi Duncan]

Jones and Sochan were TERRIBLE today , bad play after bad play on both sides of the floor. I’m done with Sochan fr.

Seriously... I liked Sohan, but his downer Debby attitude combined with his shit play this season has me off the bandwagon

[Vince Carter's ankle]

U being extreme... When Duncan was a rookie, he was given the keys, immediately... Same as MJ... these guys were able to develop faster because of that and hit their primes quicker... Once that happens, it's much easier to build around them to see what u have... Also it doesn't make them disgruntled... You nuts if you don't think Victor gets upset that he isn't getting more shots, or able to showcase his abilities... Steph Curry being able to do what he wants is what changed the NBA once he started to hit 40 footers... When u have generational talents, you don't treat them like roleplayers for the sake of being "fair"
Duncan was the most league-ready rookie in 30 years
Jordan was also significantly older in his first season
it’s clear from your other posts that you don’t understand basketball (and psychology either) at all

[Bruno]

This is a development year, not a competitive year for Spurs. There will be a lot of mistakes and disappointing losses like this one where they blow a 22 points lead.

Don't be too upset about it and keep the big picture in mind: it's all about Spurs being a legit contender in a few years. Things are looking great in that area with Wembanyama being even better than expected.

[Maddog]

This is a development year, not a competitive year for Spurs. There will be a lot of mistakes and disappointing losses like this one where they blow a 22 points lead.

Don't be too upset about it and keep the big picture in mind: it's all about Spurs being a legit contender in a few years. Things are looking great in that area with Wembanyama being even better than expected.

45% of Toronto's minutes last night where from players aged 28-30.
34% of the Spurs Minutes where players who where 20 years of age.

[sananspursfan21]

This is a development year, not a competitive year for Spurs. There will be a lot of mistakes and disappointing losses like this one where they blow a 22 points lead.

Don't be too upset about it and keep the big picture in mind: it's all about Spurs being a legit contender in a few years. Things are looking great in that area with Wembanyama being even better than expected.

Kinda my thoughts about it. Trying to bear in mind that even going up by 20+ at any time is an accomplishment for this young team.

[spursparker9]

Pop should have let Malakai plays more in the 4th quarter. He was having a good game and he should be able to get some buckets to stop the bleeding in the 4th quarter.

[baseline bum]

This is a development year, not a competitive year for Spurs. There will be a lot of mistakes and disappointing losses like this one where they blow a 22 points lead.

Don't be too upset about it and keep the big picture in mind: it's all about Spurs being a legit contender in a few years. Things are looking great in that area with Wembanyama being even better than expected.

I'm not too worried about wins and losses this year. Losing games now because they're trying to see if they can make Jeremy a PG in the long term is fine, but can't say I'm happy about losing a game because they want to treat Zach like he's prime Shaq while the franchise isn't getting shots in the late game is a little hard to swallow.

[Dverde]

They know you can fake a pass before you throw a pass? I don’t understand why it’s so hard.

[heyheymymy]

Feels like Wemby was pretty exhausted during that TOR game

What if the team wasn't missing him, but instead knew he was running on fumes and went away from him in the 4th.

Wemby seemed to lack that pep from the other 4Q heroics and we know stamina and conditioning is a real variable he is dealing with right now. Adjusting to the pace of the NBA, esp at his size and going to him when he is zapped could lead to TOs or failure that will destroy a young rookie's confidence.

[sfernald]

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Giving the ball to others to miss will help Wemby in the long run. You guys have the patience of children. Give it years and of waiting and hopefully by then Wemby will have EARNED the right to get the ball in crunch time over Zack Collins. Besides we aren’t trying to win anyways. Losing is good. Our role players that everybody loves have been in the league for 3-5 years now. It’ll take 8-10 years before we can say they are ready to learn how to win. Winning isn’t part of our timeline

This mentality is so sad. Loser culture.

[sfernald]

Feels like Wemby was pretty exhausted during that TOR game

What if the team wasn't missing him, but instead knew he was running on fumes and went away from him in the 4th.

Wemby seemed to lack that pep from the other 4Q heroics and we know stamina and conditioning is a real variable he is dealing with right now. Adjusting to the pace of the NBA, esp at his size and going to him when he is zapped could lead to TOs or failure that will destroy a young rookie's confidence.

If that’s the case Wemby needs to man up. He should be able to do more laps than GrandPop.

[exstatic]

If that’s the case Wemby needs to man up. He should be able to do more laps than GrandPop.

Building conditioning isn't "manning up", it's a process that takes time. Shortcutting it could very well lead to injuries, possible serious ones.

[R. DeMurre]

I'm still getting used to the idea of a defender who routinely blocks three point attempts. I remember a few years ago, there was a playoff game between the Suns and Pelicans where Herb Jones blocked a three and that play became the play of the game, made highlight reels, and was a big topic of conversation. In the past, even for all time great defenders like David Robinson, Hakeem, or Ben Wallace, a block on a three point attempt was an event... With a 19 year old Wemby, only 6 games into his career, I've already come to expect at least one a game.

[BillMc]

No Riga Time no chance of victory.

[sfernald]

If that’s the case Wemby needs to man up. He should be able to do more laps than GrandPop.

Dude, can’t you tell when someone is joking around? Sometimes you act like Spurstalk Karen I swear.

[ambchang]

Dude, can’t you tell when someone is joking around? Sometimes you act like Spurstalk Karen I swear.

Wrong account buddy. You need some training talking to yourself.