Chip Engelland’s OKC is leading the league in 3P% and second in FT%

[TheGreatYacht]

Can’t believe I haven’t seen anyone talk about the biggest mistake in franchise history which was not paying Chip in order to extend senile Poop to the highest paid coach in the league.

While Wemby is shooting 2/8 from three every night, Chet is shooting 44% from three after working with Chip for an entire season. I can already see the “but Chet was a good shooter in college” excuses a mile away, so let’s take a look at Chip’s work take effect on other Thunder players…

Lu Dortz went from shooting 29% from three his rookie season to 45% so far this season.

Isaiah Joe played two seasons as a Sixer and shot 35% from three, and is shooting 42% so far in two seasons on the Thunder.

Cason Wallace shot 34% from deep in college and 13 games into his career is shooting 54% from there.

Shai hasn’t shown much improvement from deep but he went from shooting 80% from the free throw line prior to Chip to now comfortably making above 90% of them with Chip.

Giddey has seen a 4.5% jump from three and an 11.5% increase from the line his rookie season to now

[spursparker9]

Sam Presti is at OKC also right?

Tbh, OKC have always been Spurs killer.

[TD 21]

:lmao Surely you can do better than this, Harlem. Holmgren is 20 months older than Wembanyama, on a team with 3-4 better playmakers than any on this team.

The rest, it's mostly small sample size theater.

Engelland is such a genius that the Spurs previous group of young players couldn't shoot under him (not blaming him).

[TheGreatYacht]

^ smh

Next these homers are going to say Pop was responsible for Kawhi’s development and not Chip because it only took 4 years for him to finally start calling plays for him and also gave him some Jordan film to study that one time

[TD 21]

:lmao At thinking I'm a homer.

[dbestpro]

Spur would would rejoice if they brought Chip and coach Bud home.

[SpurSpike]

Sochan is shooting 47% from the 3 without Chip.

[R. DeMurre]

I imagine Chip got frustrated with Pop's lack of enthusiasm for the three point shot, but Chip really didn't seem to have that great of an impact on the post-Duncan Spurs... I think Tony Parker not developing his three pointer earlier was a mistake, but that falls more on Pop than Chip.

[TheGreatYacht]

Sochan is shooting 47% from the 3 without Chip.
Keldon is shooting 33.5% from the 3 without Chip, as opposed to 38.5% with.

We are going to start a dialogue..

[R. DeMurre]

Sochan is shooting 47% from the 3 without Chip.


41.7%

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I was sad when Chip left and I’m even sadder seeing him help a rival. Much love to Chip though.

[Kawhi_6rings]

:lmao Surely you can do better than this, Harlem. Holmgren is 20 months older than Wembanyama, on a team with 3-4 better playmakers than any on this team.

The rest, it's mostly small sample size theater.

Engelland is such a genius that the Spurs previous group of young players couldn't shoot under him (not blaming him).
WEMBY CAN'T EVEN MADE 10 FEET JUMPERS IN RECENTLY GAME

[Tyronn Lue]

Shooting isn't the issue.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I was pretty shocked Chip left and I give him a lot of credit for molding our shooters over the years, but yeah, someone who can coach this team out of the defensive cellar might help this team even more.

[Obstructed_View]

TIL Chip coached the defense.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

how many shooting coaches can you name without google?

[Ditty]

Didn't the Spurs just hire a shooting coach that is pretty well respected and half the age of Chip? He shot something like better 3 point percentage when he was in college than Curry.

[TheGreatYacht]

20 games in

OKC still 1st in 3p% and 2nd in FT%
Spurs still dog shit at 26th in 3p% and 15th in FT%

[Mugen]

20 games in

OKC still 1st in 3p% and 2nd in FT%
Spurs still dog shit at 26th in 3p% and 15th in FT%

:lol

[hoopdreams11]

who is our shooting coach?

[Ditty]

Giddey is still a shitty shooter and likes young girls. Move on.

[KobesAchilles]

Giddey still a shitty shooter and likes young girls. Move on.
He shooting 100% with minors

[MultiTroll]

Giddey is still a shitty shooter and likes young girls. Move on.
Improved and that is with the false charges looming over him.
Have fun sniffing your Pop doll.


Giddey has seen a 4.5% jump from three and an 11.5% increase from the line his rookie season to now

[Ditty]

Improved and that is with the false charges looming over him.
Have fun sniffing your Pop doll.

Oh yeah still a below 30% career 3 point shooter is impressive.

[rascal]

Sochan is shooting 47% from the 3 without Chip.

Down to 41 %

[MultiTroll]

Oh yeah still a below 30% career 3 point shooter is impressive.
Chip wasn't with him his whole career Numby.
That's the point, he % went up substantially with Chip.
He's fighting a potential bogus lawsuit. Not every player is as souless and unaffected as Kombe Bryant in lawsuits.

[ducks]

Didn't the Spurs just hire a shooting coach that is pretty well respected and half the age of Chip? He shot something like better 3 point percentage when he was in college than Curry.

He was taking to much credit from pop
He had to go

[CGD]

Sochan is shooting 47% from the 3 without Chip.

And most if not all of Vassell’s growth has been without Chip.

[Ditty]

Chip wasn't with him his whole career Numby.
That's the point, he % went up substantially with Chip.
He's fighting a potential bogus lawsuit. Not every player is as souless and unaffected as Kombe Bryant in lawsuits.

Yes improved greatly from 26% to an impressive 30% three point shooter Numby and hasn't improved one bit so far this year :lol

[Pauleta14]

Wemby's shot is getting worse.
Less and less arch and release way too fast for a player almost impossible to block

[MultiTroll]

Wemby's shot is getting worse.
Less and less arch and release way too fast for a player almost impossible to block
Still receiving the ball at horrible times.
Today he was wide open at the top of the key. Complete breakdown by Chicagos D. Tre had the ball and clearly waved off Wemby twice. Wemby slapped his hands together in disgust.
After force feeding Zollins, the ball came back to Wemby but by now the defense had closed. Wemby forced up a brick.

Bad shot. While it was Wemby bad decsion to chuck it, an even worse decistion by Tre to ignore him.

I'd love to see what % Wemby would shoot treys with a competent team and coach. If he still bricks 26% shoot me. I propose it would rise to at least 35% with a real team and coach.

[Ditty]

Wemby's shot is getting worse.
Less and less arch and release way too fast for a player almost impossible to block

Game will continue to slow down for him. Even Durant shot 28% from 3 his rookie season. He still has an excellent form and stance. Just seems like everything is short right now.

[z0sa]

Wemby's shot is getting worse.
Less and less arch and release way too fast for a player almost impossible to block

I want to say a great shooting coach like Chip might help, but due to the size of his hands/the type of release he has (palming the ball alot of the time), I'm not sure it'll ever be pretty. The best you can ask for is consistency, though - which we're currently missing.

[SupremeGuy]

Wemby's shot is getting worse.
Less and less arch and release way too fast for a player almost impossible to blockZero fucking confidence in his 3 right now. He desperately needs to see one go in.

[Pauleta14]

I'm not talking about his efficiency or solely his 3pts, I'm talking about his form.

Not only there's less arch (lower %) but he's releasing the ball faster (my impression at least) than before

It's just surprising, as he's getting better in every other areas of his game

[BacktoBasics]

Still receiving the ball at horrible times.
Today he was wide open at the top of the key. Complete breakdown by Chicagos D. Tre had the ball and clearly waved off Wemby twice. Wemby slapped his hands together in disgust.
After force feeding Zollins, the ball came back to Wemby but by now the defense had closed. Wemby forced up a brick.

Bad shot. While it was Wemby bad decsion to chuck it, an even worse decistion by Tre to ignore him.

I'd love to see what % Wemby would shoot treys with a competent team and coach. If he still bricks 26% shoot me. I propose it would rise to at least 35% with a real team and coach.

Oh here we go. You’re so brilliant that you’ve graduated from the checkers that is bitching about Sochan to the elite chess game that Tre is the next shit pg.

[TheGreatYacht]

This shooting coach is legitimately going to stunt Victor’s growth. What a disaster from the front office and ownership to not keep the best shooting coach in the league knowing development is more important than ever.

Tonight

Chip’s Thunder: 18/38 (47.4%) from three
Spurs: 5/41 (12.2%) from three

[SouthernFryd]

The fact Wemby is shooting 3's at all...is another sign of Bad Coaching.

[exstatic]

This shooting coach is legitimately going to stunt Victor’s growth. What a disaster from the front office and ownership to not keep the best shooting coach in the league knowing development is more important than ever.

Tonight

Chip’s Thunder: 18/38 (47.4%) from three
Spurs: 5/41 (12.2%) from three

What are you going to do? Tie him up, and throw him in the basement? His contract was obviously up, and he didn't seem down for the tank.

[baseline bum]

The fact Wemby is shooting 3's at all...is another sign of Bad Coaching.

Nah it'll probably be part of his game long term. The fact that he shoots over 80% from the line shows he should probably develop into a reasonable three point shooter. The long Curry threes early in the shot clock are what drive me nuts, but thankfully he shoots them a lot less now. Still gotta work on him squaring up properly though. I wouldn't write off his three point shot this early. Hell Dirk shot 20.6% from the three as a 20 year old rookie.

[spurraider21]

Nah it'll probably be part of his game long term. The fact that he shoots over 80% from the line shows he should probably develop into a reasonable three point shooter. The long Curry threes early in the shot clock are what drive me nuts, but thankfully he shoots them a lot less now. Still gotta work on him squaring up properly though. I wouldn't write off his three point shot this early. Hell Dirk shot 20.6% from the three as a 20 year old rookie.
yep. the 3 point shot is going to be a part of his game, but it should be the changeup, not his fastball.

[Mugen]

5ft behind the 3pt line is about the only spot in the court where his teammates can find him regularly without turning it over tbh :lol

[MultiTroll]

5ft behind the 3pt line is about the only spot in the court where his teammates can find him regularly without turning it over tbh :lol
:lol
Rack it.

[SouthernFryd]

Nah it'll probably be part of his game long term. The fact that he shoots over 80% from the line shows he should probably develop into a reasonable three point shooter. The long Curry threes early in the shot clock are what drive me nuts, but thankfully he shoots them a lot less now. Still gotta work on him squaring up properly though. I wouldn't write off his three point shot this early. Hell Dirk shot 20.6% from the three as a 20 year old rookie.

I'm not writing off his ability to shoot 3's. I'm criticizing the fact he's shooting threes at all...whether he can make them or not. I'm not interested in making him a "better" 3 point shooter...I want him to stop shooting them completely.

There are a lot of guys on this team...the majority, in fact...that can shoot 3's, and shoot them better than Wemby. How many guys on this team are 7'4" and can literally dominate inside? Wemby should never be more than 18' from the basket at any time. Moving him away from the basket is like, beyond stupid.

Not only should he not be taking 3's in transition, he should never (ok, rarely) be floating out to the 3 point line in half court at all. That's not where a 7'4" generational player should be. Even if just clearing out a lane for someones drive, he don't need to go past the 3 point line. Just like Tre shouldn't be trying to dominate the inside. That's not where Tre should be, whether he could rebound and score inside or not...which he can't. And I don't want to spend time making him a better inside player. He's...not...7'4". Only one guy on the team is. I would fine Victor for not just taking a 3, but being outside the 3 point line at anytime during a possession.

The fact he spends so much time there now...is Bad Coaching. And part of a myriad of terrible coaching moves. And if we had chip, I'd want him to work on that 18' shot that Dirk had. Nobody in the league could stop that...and nobody could stop Wemby if he had that same shot. That's something he really could do. And I betcha Chip woulda stayed just to develop that for WEmby.

Unless...the plan for tanking the season is the overriding goal. "Wemby, take all the 3's you want!" Becomes a great coaching decision. But, know it for what it is. Wemby taking 3's is stupid, unless tanking is the plan-du-jour.

[baseline bum]

I'm not writing off his ability to shoot 3's. I'm criticizing the fact he's shooting threes at all...whether he can make them or not. I'm not interested in making him a "better" 3 point shooter...I want him to stop shooting them completely.

There are a lot of guys on this team...the majority, in fact...that can shoot 3's, and shoot them better than Wemby. How many guys on this team are 7'4" and can literally dominate inside? Wemby should never be more than 18' from the basket at any time. Not only should he not be taking 3's in transition, he should never (ok, rarely) be floating out to the 3 point line in half court at all. That's not where a 7'4" generational player should be. Just like Tre shouldn't be trying to dominate the inside. That's not where Tre should be, whether he could rebound and score inside or not...which he can't. And I don't want to spend time making him a better inside player. He's...not...7'4". Only one guy on the team is. I would fine him for not just taking a 3, but being outside the 3 point line at anytime during a possession.

The fact he spends so much time there now...is Bad Coaching. Plain and simple.

Disagree, he could be pretty devastating shooting threes off the pick and roll and it would always be a nice option at the end of the shot clock on a broken play. Bad coaching would be insisting he has to be Tim Duncan on the block when he'll never have the combination of strength and lower center of gravity to be able to be that guy. The target will probably be for him to play a lot like Nowitzki on the offensive end. Post him a few times a game when you get a mismatch you like but Wemby ain't gonna be the guy you just call 4 down for every time down the floor.

[SouthernFryd]

I don't ever want Wemby, our 7'4" generational phenom, more than 18' from the basket. Ever. Yeah, he can develop a great Dirk-like shot. Nobody will be able to block it. Great plan. But, he can get 20 rebounds and 5 blocks a game too, unlike Dirk..STAYING near the basket, not the 3 point line. Screw a pick n roll at the 3 point line to open up a Wemby 3...lol. Well, unless you're tanking...or up 50. ;)

[spurraider21]

Disagree, he could be pretty devastating shooting threes off the pick and roll and it would always be a nice option at the end of the shot clock on a broken play. Bad coaching would be insisting he has to be Tim Duncan on the block when he'll never have the combination of strength and lower center of gravity to be able to be that guy. The target will probably be for him to play a lot like Nowitzki on the offensive end. Post him a few times a game when you get a mismatch you like but Wemby ain't gonna be the guy you just call 4 down for every time down the floor.
and if some retard tries to guard dirk with michael finley, dirk could decide to either back his ass down, or just shoot over the top since he couldnt make a contest. same with wemby. if teams try defending him with a small, if he's close enough, he can just rise up over them. but its a weird possession if he just catches and shoots a 19 footer over a 6'5 guard.

[spurraider21]

I don't ever want Wemby, our 7'4" generational phenom, more than 18' from the basket. Ever. Yeah, he can develop a great Dirk-like shot. Nobody will be able to block it. Great plan. But, he can get 20 rebounds and 5 blocks a game too, unlike Dirk..STAYING near the basket, not the 3 point line. Screw a pick n roll at the 3 point line to open up a Wemby 3...lol. Well, unless you're tanking...or up 50. ;)
why does him being more than 18' from the basket on offense prevent him from getting 5 blocks a game on defense?

[SouthernFryd]

why does him being more than 18' from the basket on offense prevent him from getting 5 blocks a game on defense?

Yeah, Wemby has proven he can block an occasional 3 point shot, and that's cool. But, he can block a hell of a lot more shots being closer to the basket. He's proven that as well ;)

[exstatic]

Yeah, Wemby has proven he can block an occasional 3 point shot, and that's cool. But, he can block a hell of a lot more shots being closer to the basket. He's proven that as well ;)

Teams don't attack the basket when he's in drop coverage. That's clear the last two games. Both Vooch and Sengun passed the ball away every time he was covering them after a swat or two.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, Wemby has proven he can block an occasional 3 point shot, and that's cool. But, he can block a hell of a lot more shots being closer to the basket. He's proven that as well ;)
Don’t think you read my post well. Why is wemby being farther from the basket on offense preventing him from blocking shots on defense

[Vince Carter's ankle]

This shooting coach is legitimately going to stunt Victor’s growth. What a disaster from the front office and ownership to not keep the best shooting coach in the league knowing development is more important than ever.

Tonight

Chip’s Thunder: 18/38 (47.4%) from three
Spurs: 5/41 (12.2%) from three
you can’t even name three shooting coaches without google
how do you know which one is the best?

[TheGreatYacht]

you can’t even name three shooting coaches without google
how do you know which one is the best?
Read the first post, retard.

Chip’s work speaks for itself. 5/41 from three also says a lot about the LA Fitness hooper we hired to teach them how to shoot.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Read the first post, retard.

Chip’s work speaks for itself. 5/41 from three also says a lot about the LA Fitness hooper we hired to teach them how to shoot.
you can’t answer anything intelligible except insults, lil boy
look, i can manipulate statistics too

okc were 5/32 from three against the nuggets
it says a lot about Chip

20/21 Spurs were 24th in 3p%
21/22 Spurs were 18th in 3p%
they had some kind of unremarkable shooting coach, didn't they?

and finally

Keldon
22/23 33%
23/24 35%

Doug
22/23 41%
23/24 47%

Jeremy
22/23 25%
23/24 37%

[KobesAchilles]

I just want Tony Parker and Manu to teach guys how to make layups in traffic. Forget 3s at this point

[SouthernFryd]

Teams don't attack the basket when he's in drop coverage. That's clear the last two games. Both Vooch and Sengun passed the ball away every time he was covering them after a swat or two.

Well, then that's perfect and exactly why you want Wemby down low all the time. Other teams wont go into the middle as much...and that means...our guards can stay on their men and actually guard the 3 point line. Which they are not doing now. Any guard who doesn't stay with their man on the 3 point line, or doesn't switch and stay with their switch on the 3 point line gets fined. Because Wemby's got down low.

So, this is actually a very good thing. There is no downside having Wemby playing close to the basket on D.

[SouthernFryd]

Don’t think you read my post well. Why is wemby being farther from the basket on offense preventing him from blocking shots on defense

It's not. I didn't mention offense or defense at all regarding blocks. Didn't think I had to, it was obvious. Blocks come on Defense, unless you want to block your own guys shots? lol. You want Wemby close to the basket on Defense to Rebound AND block shots. You want Wemby close to the basket on Offense to score and rebound. Both are obvious, so I'm not getting your point.

If Wemby is at the 3 point line on Defense, he will get less blocks and rebounds. If he is at the 3 point line on offense, he will get less points and rebounds. Him being at the 3 point line on offense, has nothing to do with blocks...didn't think I need to explain that. ;)

There is literally NO DOWNSIDE to having Wemby play close to the basket on both Offense and Defense. None. If Spurs players start learning to drive, instead of jacking 3's...Good centers know how to move their men out of the way, yet still stay close enough to the basket for the dish from a "good" PG when the D collapses on said PG or Penetrator.

[spurraider21]

It's not. I didn't mention offense or defense at all regarding blocks. Didn't think I had to, it was obvious. Blocks come on Defense, unless you want to block your own guys shots? lol. You want Wemby close to the basket on Defense to Rebound AND block shots. You want Wemby close to the basket on Offense to score and rebound. Both are obvious, so I'm not getting your point.

If Wemby is at the 3 point line on Defense, he will get less blocks and rebounds. If he is at the 3 point line on offense, he will get less points and rebounds. Him being at the 3 point line on offense, has nothing to do with blocks...didn't think I need to explain that. ;)

There is literally NO DOWNSIDE to having Wemby play close to the basket on both Offense and Defense. None. If Spurs players start learning to drive, instead of jacking 3's...Good centers know how to move their men out of the way, yet still stay close enough to the basket for the dish from a "good" PG when the D collapses on said PG or Penetrator.
i mean you literally did though. you said you dont want him near the 3 point line on offense, by picking and popping, because its preferable for him to get 20 rebounds and 5 blocks.

I don't ever want Wemby, our 7'4" generational phenom, more than 18' from the basket. Ever. Yeah, he can develop a great Dirk-like shot. Nobody will be able to block it. Great plan. But, he can get 20 rebounds and 5 blocks a game too, unlike Dirk..STAYING near the basket, not the 3 point line. Screw a pick n roll at the 3 point line to open up a Wemby 3...lol. Well, unless you're tanking...or up 50. ;)
i dont disagree that wemby should spend a lot of his time inside on offense. but him being able to score effectively from the perimeter will just make him that much harder to defend. hes going to be left wide open at the top of the arc on pick and pops. and i mean wide open. if he could convert those at a good percentage, its just good offense and wouldnt be wise to shy away from it. he's not a good 3 point shooter now, but theres no reason to abandon that part of his game. it can get better

[TheGreatYacht]

you can’t answer anything intelligible except insults, lil boy
look, i can manipulate statistics too

okc were 5/32 from three against the nuggets
it says a lot about Chip

20/21 Spurs were 24th in 3p%
21/22 Spurs were 18th in 3p%
they had some kind of unremarkable shooting coach, didn't they?

and finally

Keldon
22/23 33%
23/24 35%

Doug
22/23 41%
23/24 47%

Jeremy
22/23 25%
23/24 37%
What was there to answer? You asked an absolutely retarded question that required no serious response. You asked how did I know what shooting coach is best? :lmao

Maybe look at the numbers and you’ll see the Thunder lead the league in 3p% and FT%, it’s in the title Pop sucker. That’s how you know who’s the best shooting coach in the league. I listed the improvements for their individual players under him already. You’re just trying to be an annoying little rat that’s butthurt because PATFO is getting criticized for letting the most important staff member of the last 20 years go for free.

[SouthernFryd]

i mean you literally did though. you said you dont want him near the 3 point line on offense, by picking and popping, because its preferable for him to get 20 rebounds and 5 blocks.

i dont disagree that wemby should spend a lot of his time inside on offense. but him being able to score effectively from the perimeter will just make him that much harder to defend. hes going to be left wide open at the top of the arc on pick and pops. and i mean wide open. if he could convert those at a good percentage, its just good offense and wouldnt be wise to shy away from it. he's not a good 3 point shooter now, but theres no reason to abandon that part of his game. it can get better

You're wrong on everything. But, that's ok. It's only a game, not important. Have a good one.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

What was there to answer? You asked an absolutely retarded question that required no serious response. You asked how did I know what shooting coach is best? :lmao

Maybe look at the numbers and you’ll see the Thunder lead the league in 3p% and FT%, it’s in the title Pop sucker. That’s how you know who’s the best shooting coach in the league. I listed the improvements for their individual players under him already. You’re just trying to be an annoying little rat that’s butthurt because PATFO is getting criticized for letting the most important staff member of the last 20 years go for free.
if you look at the numbers last season and you’ll see the 76s were leading the league in 3p% and FT%
why then isn't the 76's shooting coach the best?
because you only know Chip?

[RC_Drunkford]

I guess Chip saw the writing on the wall just like Ime, Becky and Messina. The old man is senile and won't go away, so you rather leave the sinking ship early

[TheGreatYacht]

if you look at the numbers last season and you’ll see the 76s were leading the league in 3p% and FT%
why then isn't the 76's shooting coach the best?
because you only know Chip?
Before I waste any of my time, answer me this. Who had a bigger impact in Kawhi’s development: Pop or Chip?

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Before I waste any of my time, answer me this. Who had a bigger impact in Kawhi’s development: Pop or Chip?
Clint Parks

[TheGreatYacht]

Chip Engelland cut so we can save some budget for the highest paid coach in the league. Words can't be said at how much of a monumental fuck up that is going to be.

Thunder shot 18/41 (43.9%) from three tonight. They rank 2nd in FG%, 3P%, and FT%

[baseline bum]

Ugh how do you let go of the guy who taught Kawhi Leonard and Tony Parker how to shoot? Should have driven a dump truck filled with Benjamins to his doorstep and begged him to stay.

[slick'81]

Whos our shooting coach again!?

[blackbucket]

Ugh how do you let go of the guy who taught Kawhi Leonard and Tony Parker how to shoot? Should have driven a dump truck filled with Benjamins to his doorstep and begged him to stay.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/popemote.gif
Get over yourself

[Atl Spur]

Maybe chip wanted to leave???? Just a thought….

[NASpurs]

Maybe chip wanted to leave???? Just a thought….

Can't blame him, he saw the writing on the wall and wanted to go with Presti.

[DAF86]

Chip and Presti. OKC getting good with our guys. :depressed

[HankChinaski]

The thunder haven't been relevant since Durant wore the jersey there. Thunder having Chip hasn't made them deadly. They have spent better part of a decade drafting and trading pics until they finally acquired talent. Presti loves draft pics they are his magic gathering decks.

[TheGreatYacht]

The thunder haven't been relevant since Durant wore the jersey there. Thunder having Chip hasn't made them deadly. They have spent better part of a decade drafting and trading pics until they finally acquired talent. Presti loves draft pics they are his magic gathering decks.
Chip absolutely made them deadly bro. Numbers speak for themselves. They have snipers and we have scrubs that make the arena sound like Gaza.

[HankChinaski]

They just have more talented shooters who had a ton of uncontested shots. A shooting coach isn't why are roster is weak from the outside.

[rankingtear]

That drive and kick offense creates the 2nd most wide open looks from 3.

[RC_Drunkford]

well they made those 3s because our genius head coach thought it was smart to play zone defense against one of the best 3-point shooting teams in the NBA. Just an amazing game plan once again.

[Atl Spur]

They get chip , we got Vic! So……. Can’t do both as it turns out anyway:) I’ll stay in the keep Vic crowd.

[spurraider21]

its honestly pretty outrageous just how efficient OKC's stars are

SGA is shooting 54.8% from the field (just under 37% from 3 which is fine), 88% from the line, and 3:1 assist/to ratio

Jalen Williams is shooting 54% from the field, 45% from 3, 81% from the line

Chet is shooting 53.6% from the field, 39.4% from 3

and all 3 are very good defensive players

[Mr. Body]

It helps when you know opponents aren't allowed to guard you or else you go to the line once again.

[lefty]

It helps when you know opponents aren't allowed to guard you or else you go to the line once again.
80s Lakers and Michael Jordan know that feeling

[BacktoBasics]

At times it seems Giddey is both dating and shooting in the teens.

[Rosewood]

At times it seems Giddey is both dating and shooting in the teens. Wow. You’re hilarious. How do you come up with this stuff?

[BacktoBasics]

Wow. You’re hilarious. How do you come up with this stuff?

I spend a fair amount of time around your mom

[MultiTroll]

Wow. You’re hilarious. How do you come up with this stuff?


I spend a fair amount of time around your mom
Rosewood has your mom mentioned some creepy, deviant stalker trying to impose itself on her lately?

[MultiTroll]

Chip saw the obvious dumpster fire incoming and did not allow Grandpa Dictator to drag him down.

Hope OKC can combine for another Championship for Chip.

:lmao If it was PATFO who dismissed Chip.

[wildbill2u]

Was there ever a reliable report on the reason Chip left the Spurs?

[CGD]

its honestly pretty outrageous just how efficient OKC's stars are

SGA is shooting 54.8% from the field (just under 37% from 3 which is fine), 88% from the line, and 3:1 assist/to ratio

Jalen Williams is shooting 54% from the field, 45% from 3, 81% from the line

Chet is shooting 53.6% from the field, 39.4% from 3

and all 3 are very good defensive players

Not saying you are doing this, but for folks suggesting it was all Chip, these metrics are all this is meaningless without knowing their underlying baselines/starting points.

[MultiTroll]

Not saying you are doing this, but for folks suggesting it was all Chip, these metrics are all this is meaningless without knowing their underlying baselines/starting points.
Believe someone posted up thread.
Great increases IIRC.

[baseline bum]

If I was OKC I'd take a swing on Castle with one of their two lottery picks after the way Chip fixed Kawhi's shot.

[spurraider21]

Not saying you are doing this, but for folks suggesting it was all Chip, these metrics are all this is meaningless without knowing their underlying baselines/starting points.
Nah it’s not all chip. Just felt like a good thread to post in when discussing okc shooting %

[spurraider21]

It helps when you know opponents aren't allowed to guard you or else you go to the line once again.
Honestly this is cope. SGA drives more than anybody in the league and has a size advantage against other guards. He’s scoring unless they foul. When you drive into the paint a lot you will get to the line because you will face physical contests more than people settling for 3s

embiid is way more of a foul baiter than anybody I’ve seen, right up there with peak harden. SGA isn’t in their category imo. Tho to their credit, embiid and harden were also aggressive when it comes to driving into the paint relentlessly. Still, they foul bait to a degree SGA does not sniff

let alone Jalen Williams or Chet. Not sure why you’d levy that criticism against them

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Was there ever a reliable report on the reason Chip left the Spurs?

They gave Pop and Wright both raises that summer instead of paying Chip more. Pop gotta get his while preaching to everyone about social justice.

[RC_Drunkford]

They gave Pop and Wright both raises that summer instead of paying Chip more. Pop gotta get his while preaching to everyone about social justice.

:pop: "Chip has to get over himself. I'm the man here."

[JeffDuncan]

Was there ever a reliable report on the reason Chip left the Spurs?


No. The Spurstalk ideas about money, as posted by some, are just typical silliness. There’s no factual reason to imagine OKC is paying Chip more than the Spurs would have. Per year, that is.

More likely, as long as we’re speculating, is that Chip’s decision was based on length of contract. Chip is now 62, close to retirement, or at least close to the age where he’d like the option. At the time of the contract negotiations with the Spurs, he was probably looking for a multi-year contract to take him to retirement age.

Before the Spurs got lucky and drafted Wemby, Pop was going to retire. Everything points that way. (The Spurs hired a consulting firm, two or three years ago, to help find a new head coach. Since Pop is also POBO, that firm would not have been hired without the blessing of Pop, himself.)

So the Spurs, at that pre-Wemby time, may have offered Chip only a one year contract. The new head coach would have to have the option of choosing his own staff, of course.

So it probably goes back to the Spurs thinking they would not get Wemby (14% chance we recall) and Pop would probably retire. Thus, the offer of only a one year contract extension to Chip.

Chip looked around, and OKC offered him the longer term contract he was looking for. Also, a good situation. Is my guess about what happened. The contract details are private, so it’s all speculation.

[JeffDuncan]

They gave Pop and Wright both raises that summer instead of paying Chip more. Pop gotta get his while preaching to everyone about social justice.


That is ignorant nonsense. Chip left in the summer of ‘22.

Pop got his new contract in the summer of ‘23, after the Spurs got Wemby.

You’re a year off, spunky.

[exstatic]

That is ignorant nonsense. Chip left in the summer of ‘22.

Pop got his new contract in the summer of ‘23, after the Spurs got Wemby.

You’re a year off, spunky.

AHF is the OG PATFO hater.

[MultiTroll]

Pop got his new contract in the summer of ‘23, after the Spurs got Wemby.
Thought within an article mention was made of an understanding that while the Spurs and Popped had not finalized a contract in 22, they had come to basic terms long before signing in 23.

Gramps had and has the car keys all along.

Search feature is out or i'd try to locate.

[wildbill2u]

I was and am sorry to see him go but I guess he wound up in a situation he liked. I thought maybe he was getting vibes of a head coaching job in the offing somewhere. I've never heard of the Spurs letting a long time employee go away mad, especially one that presumably had a good relationship with Pop. Normally, if they want to go for some reason, the FO is out in front of getting them a good job where they want to go if possible. I don' think any team in the NBA has a better record in regard to treating their employees and players fairly and favorably.

[exstatic]

It probably just came down to him not wanting to go through a rebuild. It’s not for everyone.

[dbestpro]

Spurs would be wise to try and bring him back. Beyond Wemby the Spurs are not too wise.

[Pauleta14]

^ This tbh.

Never too late to fix a mistake

[spurraider21]

Honestly this is cope. SGA drives more than anybody in the league and has a size advantage against other guards. He’s scoring unless they foul. When you drive into the paint a lot you will get to the line because you will face physical contests more than people settling for 3s

embiid is way more of a foul baiter than anybody I’ve seen, right up there with peak harden. SGA isn’t in their category imo. Tho to their credit, embiid and harden were also aggressive when it comes to driving into the paint relentlessly. Still, they foul bait to a degree SGA does not sniff

let alone Jalen Williams or Chet. Not sure why you’d levy that criticism against them
SGA doesn’t crack the top 10 in foul rate on drives, but leads all guards in layup attempts

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[exstatic]

^ This tbh.

Never too late to fix a mistake

All of his guys are shooting well, and OKC is the #2 seed in he west, currently. I’m not seeing a mistake.

[DAF86]

It probably just came down to him not wanting to go through a rebuild. It’s not for everyone.

When he signed with OKC they were thought to be a rebuilding team, tbh.

[rankingtear]

" Mark Daigneault said Chip Engelland will have a unique role and won’t be at every game. "

This the reason, he wants to work less and be paid more. Who wouldn't tbh.

[exstatic]

When he signed with OKC they were thought to be a rebuilding team, tbh.

Only if you don’t understand rebuilds. They had SGA, JW had completed his rookie season, and they had just drafted Chet, with every reason to think he would be a contributor. The fact that he missed the year, and OKC still made the play in shows how wrong people were who thought they wouldn’t be much.

[DAF86]

Only if you don’t understand rebuilds. They had SGA, JW had completed his rookie season, and they had just drafted Chet, with every reason to think he would be a contributor. The fact that he missed the year, and OKC still made the play in shows how wrong people were who thought they wouldn’t be much.

Nobody expected OKC to be this good. Also, I don't understand why a shooting coach would care if the team is in rebuilding mode or not, if anything I would argue a rebuilding team would be more fun to be a part of for a shooting coach, a lot more to work with. At the end of tje day, the most likely scenario is that Chip went to the team that offered him the most money.

[exstatic]

Nobody expected OKC to be this good. Also, I don't understand why a shooting coach would care if the team is in rebuilding mode or not, if anything I would argue a rebuilding team would be more fun to be a part of for a shooting coach, a lot more to work with. At the end of tje day, the most likely scenario is that Chip went to the team that offered him the most money.

If rankingtear’s theory is right, that would tie in with not wanting to ride out a rebuild. A gaggle of rookies and second years would be a lot more work. Plus, it’s just plain depressing to be on the staff of a team that is tanking.

[DAF86]

If rankingtear’s theory is right, that would tie in with not wanting to ride out a rebuild. A gaggle of rookies and second years would be a lot more work. Plus, it’s just plain depressing to be on the staff of a team that is tanking.

Nobody moves cities to go from a rebuilding team to a less rebuilding one (at the time that Chip took the job). OKC must have offered a ton shit of money, simple as that.

[MultiTroll]

Nobody moves cities to go from a rebuilding team to a less rebuilding one (at the time that Chip took the job).
I think you are massively under characterizing the gap.
Is it entirely possible Chip was absolutely no longer going to tolerate this type of fertilizer and saw no end in sight?
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[JeffDuncan]

Spurs would be wise to try and bring him back. Beyond Wemby the Spurs are not too wise.


No, the Spurs would not be wise to waste their time.

[JeffDuncan]

Nobody moves cities to go from a rebuilding team to a less rebuilding one (at the time that Chip took the job). OKC must have offered a ton shit of money, simple as that.


More likely, OKC offered Chip a multi-year contract versus the Spurs offering only one year because of Pop’s impending retirement (so they expected.)

[JeffDuncan]

" Mark Daigneault said Chip Engelland will have a unique role and won’t be at every game. "

This the reason, he wants to work less and be paid more. Who wouldn't tbh.


A poster earlier this season said he saw Chip at the SA airport, before the Spurs were going to play the Thunder in OKC. The reason turned out to be scouting.

Being away from a team to scout an opponent is not less work. It could easily be more work.

Some of you guys…

[objective]

Only if you don’t understand rebuilds. They had SGA, JW had completed his rookie season, and they had just drafted Chet, with every reason to think he would be a contributor. The fact that he missed the year, and OKC still made the play in shows how wrong people were who thought they wouldn’t be much.

He was hired before Jalen Williams rookie year unless you mean a different JW

[rankingtear]

A poster earlier this season said he saw Chip at the SA airport, before the Spurs were going to play the Thunder in OKC. The reason turned out to be scouting.

Being away from a team to scout an opponent is not less work. It could easily be more work.

Some of you guys…

Interesting. FO dont employ advance scout. That is in line with him wanting to be a front of the bench guy someday. Could easily be less work hours and more travel. OKC is paying a shooting coach premium to only be a part time shooting coach.

[spurraider21]

Utah's price tag was probably (appropriately) very high, but im really relieved OKC didnt pull the trigger on a Lauri trade as some in the media were trying to push for. utah did extremely well in both the Mitchell and Gobert trades...

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[spurraider21]

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[Pauleta14]

And most medias still talk about Chet as OKC's 2nd option...

[RC_Drunkford]

Meanwhile in San Antonio...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHYBexyXEAAi1Tl?format=jpg&name=large

[NASpurs]

Meanwhile in San Antonio...



With the 9th pick of the 2022 NBA draft, the San Antonio Spurs select Jeremy Sochan.

With the 12th pick, the Oklahoma City Thunder select Jalen Williams.

Sigh.

Pop's personal fart sniffers in this forum will look for a way to spin that shit.

[objective]

Brian Wright when watching film on Duren and Jalen Williams:

"But can they change their hair color? Thought not, give me that backup from Baylor who can't shoot!"

[slick'81]

With the 9th pick of the 2022 NBA draft, the San Antonio Spurs select Jeremy Sochan.

With the 12th pick, the Oklahoma City Thunder select Jalen Williams.

Sigh.

Pop's personal fart sniffers in this forum will look for a way to spin that shit.


bbb kendrick perkins

[rankingtear]

With the 9th pick of the 2022 NBA draft, the San Antonio Spurs select Jeremy Sochan.

With the 12th pick, the Oklahoma City Thunder select Jalen Williams.

Sigh.

Pop's personal fart sniffers in this forum will look for a way to spin that shit.

Not gonne lie that , that was a big mistake. I really dont care about missing on Hali or Sengun cause they are flawed engines but Jalen fits this team.

[spurraider21]

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[sfernald]

Damn why don’t the Spurs have a guy like this!?

[TheGreatYacht]

With 10 games remaining

Chip’s OKC - 2nd in 3p%, 2nd in FT%

Spurs - 30th in 3p%, 25th in FT%

The worst decision in franchise history will be letting him go.

[exstatic]

With 10 games remaining

Chip’s OKC - 2nd in 3p%, 2nd in FT%

Spurs - 30th in 3p%, 25th in FT%

The worst decision in franchise history will be letting him go.

You can’t tie him up and throw him in a dungeon. He probably wasn’t down with the MUCH NEEDED rebuild.

[Proxy]

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[ismael-robert]

With 10 games remaining

Chip’s OKC - 2nd in 3p%, 2nd in FT%

Spurs - 30th in 3p%, 25th in FT%

The worst decision in franchise history will be letting him go.

Over whole season yes but what about post all star?

[spurraider21]

bill simmons said he sees a lot of nephew in jalen williams

i cant unsee it...

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[Dejounte]

bill simmons said he sees a lot of nephew in jalen williams

i cant unsee it...

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Was a 21 year old on draft day and most here said no pre-draft because of his age

[Ariel]

Was a 21 year old on draft day and most here said no pre-draft because of his age
I liked him, but not at 9. That was clearly a mistake.

[spurraider21]

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[Mitch Cumsteen]

OKC is currently #18 in 3 pt% but #1 in FT%. But it doesn't do as much good to hit 81% of your free throws when you are 29th in getting to the line.

SGA is settling for a lot more threes now. He's taking 6.2 per game compared to 3.6 last year and 2.5 the year before that. He also got to the line 10.2 times per game two years ago, 8.7 last year and 8.1 this season. It's interesting though that he still leads the league in FT made per 100 possessions and is fourth overall in FTA per 100 possessions.

[exstatic]

OKC is currently #18 in 3 pt% but #1 in FT%. But it doesn't do as much good to hit 81% of your free throws when you are 29th in getting to the line.

SGA is settling for a lot more threes now. He's taking 6.2 per game compared to 3.6 last year and 2.5 the year before that. He also got to the line 10.2 times per game two years ago, 8.7 last year and 8.1 this season. It's interesting though that he still leads the league in FT made per 100 possessions and is fourth overall in FTA per 100 possessions.

Regression to the mean. They weren’t a great shooting team, so no one played them tight. They improved, and now everyone is playing them tight again, and their percentage is dropping back.