Wemby DPOY watch

[heyheymymy]

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[onechance87]

get this man sum help

[tbdog]

If he/pop/coaches turned the historical worse defense into say 15 to 20 in defensive rating, then Wemby has a shot. But we are 29th.

[exstatic]

If he/pop/coaches turned the historical worse defense into say 15 to 20 in defensive rating, then Wemby has a shot. But we are 29th.

It’s an individual award, the best defender, not the best defender on the best defense. He’s so elite, he has DEFENSIVE gravity the way that Steph has OFFENSIVE gravity. Teams bend their offense away from him.

[R. DeMurre]

To be leading the league in stocks at 19 is a monumental accomplishment, and shows what a generational defender he has the reasonable potential to be. Victor has 73. Compare this to Chet's 55, Evan Mobley's 50, Giannis at 49, and Embiid at 46.

He likely won't win DPOY for various reasons, but if you really want to practice an exercise in recognizing good fortune, just do this: imagine an alternate reality where the Spurs win the #3 pick in the draft, and take Scoot Henderson.

[tbdog]

It’s an individual award, the best defender, not the best defender on the best defense. He’s so elite, he has DEFENSIVE gravity the way that Steph has OFFENSIVE gravity. Teams bend their offense away from him.
You can't argue defensive gravity if we are the second worst defensive team. Without him we might be the worse. That's how awards work. Without this player, what will this team look like? Worst defensive team in the West? We are. Worst team in the West? We are.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

It’s an individual award, the best defender, not the best defender on the best defense. He’s so elite, he has DEFENSIVE gravity the way that Steph has OFFENSIVE gravity. Teams bend their offense away from him.
2014 Bulls 2nd def rtg
2015 Spurs 2nd def rtg
2016 Spurs 1st def rtg
2017 Warriors 2nd def rtg
2018 Jazz 2nd def rtg
2019 Jazz 2nd def rtg
2020 Bucks 1st def rtg
2021 Utah 4th def rtg
2022 Celtics 2nd def rtg
2023 Grizzlies 2nd def rtg

[exstatic]

You can't argue defensive gravity if we are the second worst defensive team. Without him we might be the worse. That's how awards work. Without this player, what will this team look like? Worst defensive team in the West? We are. Worst team in the West? We are.
That’s your overly complicated interpretation. What the award is is who is the best defender. That’s an easy question with an easy answer.

[exstatic]

2014 Bulls 2nd def rtg
2015 Spurs 2nd def rtg
2016 Spurs 1st def rtg
2017 Warriors 2nd def rtg
2018 Jazz 2nd def rtg
2019 Jazz 2nd def rtg
2020 Bucks 1st def rtg
2021 Utah 4th def rtg
2022 Celtics 2nd def rtg
2023 Grizzlies 2nd def rtg

So,twice in 10 years it was the best defender on the best defense?

[Vince Carter's ankle]

So,twice in 10 years it was the best defender on the best defense?
if Spurs don’t finish the season in the top 5, then he shouldn’t even dream of an award this season

[exstatic]

if Spurs don’t finish the season in the top 5, then he shouldn’t even dream of an award this season

According to you.

[KobesAchilles]

He will probably make 2nd team all defense. If we can pass him the ball in better spots then he might make 3rd team all nba

[Thomas82]

He also leads the NBA in blocks per game.

[spurraider21]

So,twice in 10 years it was the best defender on the best defense?
That’s your takeaway? :lol

nobody said it goes to best defender on best defensive team. The comment you initially replied to mentioned top 15-20

your sniff reflex truly knows no bounds

[Rocalcio]

if Spurs don’t finish the season in the top 5, then he shouldn’t even dream of an award this season

ROY award doesn't care about the team results.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

ROY award doesn't care about the team results.
this is a thread about dpoy

[Obstructed_View]

this is a thread about dpoy
And rebounding, blocks and steals are the shiny things that attract voters. See Camby, Marcus.

[stnick2261]

I always though DPOY award was more of a lifetime achievement award. Sometimes given to people who didn't necessarily have the best year, but were deserving in the past and just haven't won it yet.

[Leetonidas]

He has zero chance at winning DPOY with our team defense being as bad as it is

[spursparker9]

Not practical that they will give it to a rookie whose team is at worst defensive rating. tbh

[Seventyniner]

So,twice in 10 years it was the best defender on the best defense?

I think his point is that if a player's team defense is not top 2 in the league there is very little chance of that player winning DPOY, and no chance at all if it's outside the top 4. At least judging on the past 10 years. In a vacuum team results shouldn't matter for an individual award, but in reality they do.

The same goes for MVP. It took video game numbers by Westbrook for him to win that on a bad team. Since basic defensive counting stats aren't nearly as detailed (or informative) as those on offense, I don't think even an all time great season-long defensive effort by Wemby would be enough to get DPOY if the team defense is this putrid. If the Spurs were league average? Maybe. But not when they're bottom 5.

Wemby should win multiple DPOY awards in his career at this rate, but not this year.

[Rocalcio]

this is a thread about dpoy

You wrote « an » award, not DPOY.

[polandprzem]

Blocks and steals are defense ? :lol

[Pauleta14]

Relax bro, Sochan just had a good game, no need to hate Victor anymore...

[MultiTroll]

No need to put much effort or faith in the voting process.

The winner is selected by a panel of 124 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada, each of whom casts a vote for first, second and third place selections

[John B]

Wemby’s stats are improving with double-doubles the past few games, and multiple blocks, assists every game. It will just get better as the team gets more familiar playing, likewise Wemby settling. I’ll be curious who wins the ROTY for month going forward.

[MultiTroll]

Wemby’s stats are improving with double-doubles the past few games, and multiple blocks, assists every game. It will just get better as the team gets more familiar playing, likewise Wemby settling. I’ll be curious who wins the ROTY for month going forward.
Also his 3 pt % will go up if some of the remaining ballhogs start getting him the ball at the proper time.
He often chucks a trey because in the Clueless Pop Offense he thinks he has to compete with the ballhogs.

Looked much better vs ATL.

[R. DeMurre]

Ryan Dunn is doing something similar for Virginia now, in terms of stocks. Interesting guy to keep an eye on. He's racking up defensive accolades and advanced numbers at an unprecedented rate.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/ryan-dunn

[Vince Carter's ankle]

You wrote « an » award, not DPOY.
it seemed to me that everything was clear from the context

[Vince Carter's ankle]

And rebounding, blocks and steals are the shiny things that attract voters. See Camby, Marcus.
which of these did Marcus Smart have?

[CGD]

Ryan Dunn is doing something similar for Virginia now, in terms of stocks. Interesting guy to keep an eye on. He's racking up defensive accolades and advanced numbers at an unprecedented rate.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/ryan-dunn

Like him with the TOR pick

[MannyIsGod]

Ryan Dunn is doing something similar for Virginia now, in terms of stocks. Interesting guy to keep an eye on. He's racking up defensive accolades and advanced numbers at an unprecedented rate.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/ryan-dunn

He absolutely cancelled out Wade Taylor when they played the Aggies earlier this week. It was to the level that I thought Taylor was hurt or sick. Was shocking how disruptive he was. Definitely someone to keep an eye on for the draft next year.

[Obstructed_View]

which of these did Marcus Smart have?
Um...steals.

[thiste]

Wemby’s stats are improving with double-doubles the past few games, and multiple blocks, assists every game. It will just get better as the team gets more familiar playing, likewise Wemby settling. I’ll be curious who wins the ROTY for month going forward.

He's still not getting nearly as many assists as he should with his teammates missing so many easy shots.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Um...steals.
he was only in the top 8

[Obstructed_View]

he was only in the top 8
Right. In steals.

How long did you comb through basketball reference to find a guy whose stats didn't precisely match my statement so you could gotcha me? I don't think I would have been surprised that there were exceptions. Is there a DPOY voter that I've wronged and owe an apology to? You certainly seem to be taking this seriously.

Do you actually disagree with my statement that DPOY voters have historically checked stats before voting because NBA defense isn't sexy and therefore not worthy of consideration? Honest to god, if you're actually a Spurs fan, and you actually watched Tim Duncan never win the goddamn award, how can you not at least partially agree with me? I know you think Kobe is better than Timmy (:lol), but was he not the best defender in the league at least once?

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Right. In steals.

How long did you comb through basketball reference to find a guy whose stats didn't precisely match my statement so you could gotcha me? I don't think I would have been surprised that there were exceptions. Is there a DPOY voter that I've wronged and owe an apology to? You certainly seem to be taking this seriously.

Do you actually disagree with my statement that DPOY voters have historically checked stats before voting because NBA defense isn't sexy and therefore not worthy of consideration? Honest to god, if you're actually a Spurs fan, and you actually watched Tim Duncan never win the goddamn award, how can you not at least partially agree with me? I know you think Kobe is better than Timmy (:lol), but was he not the best defender in the league at least once?
i don't think so
just pointed out the absurdity of the argument that personal matchups determine a place in the top of all time

[Obstructed_View]

i don't think so
just pointed out the absurdity of the argument that personal matchups determine a place in the top of all time
Whatever.

Back to topic: Timmy never won dpoy. He may never have gotten second in dpoy voting, if memory serves. He lost the award to Camby, to Artest, to Motombo, to Gasol, almost always when he and his team were as good or better at defense than anyone.
He lost it to inferior players who got rebounds, steals, and/or blocks in some combination.

If a Spurs forum doesn't have some bitter old coot grumbling about how stupid dpoy voting is, then its not a Spurs forum. :lol

[spurraider21]

Whatever.

Back to topic: Timmy never won dpoy. He may never have gotten second in dpoy voting, if memory serves. He lost the award to Camby, to Artest, to Motombo, to Gasol, almost always when he and his team were as good or better at defense than anyone.
He lost it to inferior players who got rebounds, steals, and/or blocks in some combination.

If a Spurs forum doesn't have some bitter old coot grumbling about how stupid dpoy voting is, then it’s not a Spurs forum. :lol
didnt duncan actually have better counting stats than Marc Gasol that year?

[exstatic]

didnt duncan actually have better counting stats than Marc Gasol that year?

And Gasol ALMOST didn’t make second team All D, tying for the position. One less vote, and we would have had a DPOY who wasn’t selected to either All D team. :rollin

[Fireball]

If he/pop/coaches turned the historical worse defense into say 15 to 20 in defensive rating, then Wemby has a shot. But we are 29th.

thats it --- currently Wemby is an afterthought regarding DPOY because the Spurs are horrible on D. Gobert is in front right now

[Obstructed_View]

didnt duncan actually have better counting stats than Marc Gasol that year?
Ironically I think yes. The rationale was that Timmy missed time. So did Gasol.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong and the truth is they just hated Timmy. :lmao

[Thomas82]

Whatever.

Back to topic: Timmy never won dpoy. He may never have gotten second in dpoy voting, if memory serves. He lost the award to Camby, to Artest, to Motombo, to Gasol, almost always when he and his team were as good or better at defense than anyone.
He lost it to inferior players who got rebounds, steals, and/or blocks in some combination.

If a Spurs forum doesn't have some bitter old coot grumbling about how stupid dpoy voting is, then its not a Spurs forum. :lol

I think the highest he ever finished in the voting was 3rd.

[Pauleta14]

I watched OKC again and Chet is so comfortable on offense compared to Wemby! Okc is a well oiled machine and he can play off of his teamates with open shots after open shots...

But to me the biggest diff between the 2 is on the defensive end!

Victor is doing A LOT more especially in stuffs not in the stats thx to his 8' wingspan

[sickdsm]

Gobert is single handedly shutting entire teams down in clutch time with either just a look or a jab step in that direction. He is the wolves most vital player and we also have Anthony Edwards. This is his (4TH) DPOY to lose.

[Raven]

If i remember correctly, the gasol dpoy was the year they started really counting defensive rating rather than counting stats. Didn't last.

[Obstructed_View]

If i remember correctly, the gasol dpoy was the year they started really counting defensive rating rather than counting stats. Didn't last.
Because it was just an excuse not to give it to TD.

[NASpurs]

Spurs are 5th in def rating

[NASpurs]

It seems like an agenda year. Let Wemby shoot like a guard on offense but also be top seven or better on defense so he can get the DPOY. Probably explains those can't shoot/defensive lineups.

[objective]

Is there a site that has shot clock violations forced during a player's time on court?

[TDomination]

Spurs are 5th in def rating
nice!

[RC_Drunkford]

Also 2nd in rebounds. Offense is another story though

[TheBallsbreakers]

Only a few games in but Wemby is behind Holmgren in BPG to lead the league.

[NASpurs]

#3 now :hat

[spursparker9]

Only a few games in but Wemby is behind Holmgren in BPG to lead the league.

I noticed that OKC is winning by such a big margin and their HC having tendency to go 12-man deep, Chet's min is actually very limited.

[ace3g]

#3 now :hat

https://x.com/Josh810/status/1853118840500072661

[CGD]

Impressive. Matches the eye test TBH, and it’s not just Wemby stepping up either.

[couchman]

Wemby is obviously phenomenal on D.
Sochan is also having a huge impact on that end with his POA defense and rebounding.

[DAF86]

Unfortunately, if OKC remains #1 in defense, they will give it to Chet.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Unfortunately, if OKC remains #1 in defense, they will give it to Chet.
Odds already favored Wemby before the season started, and I don't think oddsmakers even figured the Spurs to be this good as a team.

[DAF86]

Odds already favored Wemby before the season started, and I don't think oddsmakers even figured the Spurs to be this good as a team.

They also probably didn't think OKC would be 1st on defense either. If OKC finishes 1st, there's no way they don't give it to Chet, specially since he's leading the league in blocks over Wemby.

[Raven]

They also probably didn't think OKC would be 1st on defense either. If OKC finishes 1st, there's no way they don't give it to Chet, specially since he's leading the league in blocks over Wemby.

i mean... you say it as if there's even a remote possibility of that happening

[TheBallsbreakers]

i mean... you say it as if there's even a remote possibility of that happening
What do you mean, that Chet would ultimately lead the league in blocks?

[Raven]

What do you mean, that Chet would ultimately lead the league in blocks?

that Chet would be leading in blocks AND okc would lead in defensive rating.. i give it a 1/100 chance

[MI21]

Is there a site that has shot clock violations forced during a player's time on court?

Would love this. Feels like the Spurs have had quite a few of forced shot clock violations.

[mudyez]

Right now it's Chets...but but but...He once had the ROY in his bag as well and the season is sooo young.

Vic, we know you are reading this. Let's make Chet the fuel that powers your GOAT career!

[spursparker9]

I don't think the voter will favor Chet as his team has too many good defenders

As long as Spurs can get a respectable record and Wemby with great defensive numbers and presence, he should still win it

[The Truth #6]

The Chet rivalry is a good thing for VW. Eventually, hopefully, for team wins as well.

[Brazil]

I don't think the voter will favor Chet as his team has too many good defenders

As long as Spurs can get a respectable record and Wemby with great defensive numbers and presence, he should still win it

It is anyway way too soon but so far I agree, taking individual player defensive ratings you have 4 OKC players in the top 5 with Wallace, SGA, Chet, Williams (1,2,3,4). The story is OKC has amazing defensive guards anchored by Chet, for SA the story is you have Victor... who is having a slow start overall

[DAF86]

that Chet would be leading in blocks AND okc would lead in defensive rating.. i give it a 1/100 chance

Why are you acting as if any of those things would be difficult to mantain? :lol

[CorrectCrusader]

Victors defense has been less flashy so far this season but a lot better. The impact when he's on the court vs when he's not is just absolutely insane.

[ambchang]

Unfortunately, if OKC remains #1 in defense, they will give it to Chet.

Hard to say. OKC has a number of strong defenders and sometimes it spread out the votes to an extent. Like how Duncan never got it “because” of Bowen.

Spurs not having too many known good defenders (sochan may be breaking out now) may help wemby. As stupid as it sounds it may actually come down to blocks and steals.

[DAF86]

Hard to say. OKC has a number of strong defenders and sometimes it spread out the votes to an extent. Like how Duncan never got it “because” of Bowen.

Spurs not having too many known good defenders (sochan may be breaking out now) may help wemby. As stupid as it sounds it may actually come down to blocks and steals.

Who's the guy in the Thunder that has the same reputation as Bowen to take votes away from Chet? Don't overthink it, if OKC finishes #1 on D, Chet's winning it.

[lefty20]

Who's the guy in the Thunder that has the same reputation as Bowen to take votes away from Chet? Don't overthink it, if OKC finishes #1 on D, Chet's winning it.

Dorture chamber is a thing. Caruso has a reputation has well.

I agree with you that Chet has a legit shot. But OKC has other definitely has other stout defenders who can feasibly take some votes away from him.

This award is completely narrative driven. Hard to predict what is valued most by the voters in any give year.

[ambchang]

Who's the guy in the Thunder that has the same reputation as Bowen to take votes away from Chet? Don't overthink it, if OKC finishes #1 on D, Chet's winning it.

Dort was the biggest one. Caruso got a great rep. Even Shai and Wallace are stepping up this year.

Again not saying he won’t, just not that sure it’s a slam dunk.

[DAF86]

Dorture chamber is a thing. Caruso has a reputation has well.

I agree with you that Chet has a legit shot. But OKC has other definitely has other stout defenders who can feasibly take some votes away from him.

This award is completely narrative driven. Hard to predict what is valued most by the voters in any give year.

The Wolves had about the same number of stout defenders, yet none took votes away from Gobbert.

[DAF86]

Dort was the biggest one. Caruso got a great rep. Even Shai and Wallace are stepping up this year.

Again not saying he won’t, just not that sure it’s a slam dunk.

Mac Daniels, Ant, Nazz Reed. Neither took votes away from Gobbert.

[lefty20]

The Wolves had about the same number of stout defenders, yet none took votes away from Gobbert.

As I said, narrative based. Voters were hell bent on giving it to the best defender on the best defense last year. And the were deaf to all other arguments.

This is not always the case. The narrative for this year will we decided around February/March.

[DAF86]

As I said, narrative based. Voters were hell bent on giving it to the best defender on the best defense last year. And the were deaf to all other arguments.

This is not always the case. The narrative for this year will we decided around February/March.

If the best defense ends up being the Wolves again, I can see voters' fatigue playing a part. If it's OKC, voters would be more than happy giving it to one of the new shiny toys in Chet. It would also add to the Wemby/Chet rivalry.

[ambchang]

Mac Daniels, Ant, Nazz Reed. Neither took votes away from Gobbert.

Good point. But nas Reid isn’t a good DPoY. I’d also add Nikael Alexander walker.

That said, covert was penned in last year, not sure why.

[Raven]

if spurs are top 10 in defensive rating, wemby is winning unanimously

[DAF86]

if spurs are top 10 in defensive rating, wemby is winning unanimously

No if OKC finishes #1 on D. Wanna bet something?

[Raven]

No if OKC finishes #1 on D. Wanna bet something?

i'd bet a grand easily

[DAF86]

i'd bet a grand easily

Ok, if OKC finishes #1 on D and the Spurs finish top 10:

-You get $1.000 if Wemby wins DPoY
-I get $1.000 if Chet wins DPoY

[TheBallsbreakers]

Still early but Wemby's BPG is now 3.9, SPG at 1.3.
Chet is at 3.1 BPG and 1.1 SPG.

As elementary a stat as you can find but still one more readily referred to when deciding DPOY (except last year).

Again, the prevailing narrative heading into this season is that things will finally be set right after last season and Wemby will get his first DPOY.

Odds favored him and I am pretty sure none of the oddsmakers predicted the Spurs to be Top 5 defensively either.

[Thomas82]

And just like that, Wemby is back in his rightful place as the NBA's leading shot blocker.

[onechance87]

Great defensive performance from victor.Sucks we lost tho.Hes gotten better with not falling for jump fakes and not fouling.

[Raven]

Ok, if OKC finishes #1 on D and the Spurs finish top 10:

-You get $1.000 if Wemby wins DPoY
-I get $1.000 if Chet wins DPoY

sounds good to me... won't happen of course

[TheBallsbreakers]

He's still a work in progress offensively but I don't think there's anyone in the league that equals his impact on the other end.
As someone said, he was so good it kinda backfired since the Clippers just opted to leave the lane entirely and go chuck up threes - which (thanks to both coaching and player malaise) unfortunately went in.

[onechance87]

wemby back to averaging 4 blocks a game.Sucks we lost today tho.

[Donald Sterling.]

It's amazing how little Wembustyama's stat padding translates to winning basketball. You shouldn't be losing to the 1-7 Jazz at home, regardless of how bad the sperms roster is.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Total destroyer on defense. I think 4 blocks a game is sustainable, as he is learning to not bite on fakes easily this time.
Hopefully the Spurs continue to stay in the top 10 defensive rating (they're 10th currently).

[cutewizard]

dpoy

[Fireball]

Holmgren is out for some time. Probably will not get 65 games anymore.

[exstatic]

Holmgren is out for some time. Probably will not get 65 games anymore.

I think he’s done for the year. He can’t do any cardio or fitness until that 8-10 week mark,so he’ll be starting from zilch. He’ll have to work all the way through cardio and fitness, then do one on one bball, then three on three, then five on five. Maybe the post season, since they’ll be in it?

[R. DeMurre]

I love what Dyson Daniels is doing, leading the league in steals by a huge margin (plus adding deflections and blocks) over in Atlanta. He was a guy I really wanted the Spurs to take a chance with, and I'll be keeping a close eye on the progression in his career compared to Castle, who shares a lot of his traits. A future 25 year old Daniels paired with a 24 year old Wemby might be the best defensive duo in the NBA.

[exstatic]

I love what Dyson Daniels is doing, leading the league in steals by a huge margin (plus adding deflections and blocks) over in Atlanta. He was a guy I really wanted the Spurs to take a chance with, and I'll be keeping a close eye on the progression in his career compared to Castle, who shares a lot of his traits. A future 25 year old Daniels paired with a 24 year old Wemby might be the best defensive duo in the NBA.

I want him to suck because I WANT ATLANTA TO SUCK. Cheer for him in 2028.

[R. DeMurre]

I want him to suck because I WANT ATLANTA TO SUCK. Cheer for him in 2028.


:lol I hear ya