Game thread: Spurs (3-17) vs. Bulls (8-14) 7:30 PM 3:30 AM Riga

[Blizzardwizard]

So if (and it's increasingly looking like when) they break the single-season record with 27-straight losses will the Holts mercifully pull the plug on this entire coaching staff?

Surely there HAS to be some kind of consequence for that kind of historic humiliation right?

[BatManu20]

Spurs defense is what is losing these games. Their offense is putting up points, but every team has their season best shooting against the Spurs.

Our team defense is horrendous, even with Wemby on the floor. Without him we’re the worst defensive team I’ve ever seen. It’s unfathomable that this is a Popovich-coached team. The old Pop wouldn’t stand for it. The new, softer, senile version of Pop just wants to make sure everyone’s having a good time and doing things the right way.

[baseline bum]

This is easily the worst Spurs team I've ever seen. Worse even than the 1988-89 squad.

88-89 Spurs had a competent coach

[rascal]

Sochan isn't very good. Way over rated on this board.

You'd think he's untradeable and a future all star by some on this board.

[NASpurs]

"Spurs are playing chess while other teams are playing checkers" :lol

Let us never forget.

[Silentbob]

the spurs might not win until january vs detriot, even that game is questionable. atleast wemby got his stats. friggin stupid donkey fouling chet for three to force overtime pumped up chet's stats in OT

[Barfunk]

Both tbh. But any other coach is probably fired at this point or very soon. The old man being untouchable is a problem.

Yeah, it's definitely a problem. No sense of urgency from Pop. He was already bad in the urgency department as evident when he would only make the correct adjustments when we're a couple of quarters away from elimination in the playoffs.

[slick'81]

"Spurs are playing chess while other teams are playing checkers" :lol

Let us never forget.


trust pop's process

[Mikeanaro]

Are we aiming for the 9-73 record? I like our chances.

[NASpurs]

Weren't these faggots running mini training camps in August? WTF were they working on? How is the defense worse :lol

[Spurs Homer]

I don't like Vassell as well. Bro thinks he's better than he actually is. :lol

he flat out REFUSES to lob a ball to vw and when he finally passes it to vw- the pass is a shitty pass and results in a turnover or a steal

dribbles all around the fucking perimeter knowing he will jack up a contested fall away prayer while vw is open and standing there with a hand raised…

branham?

uh

pure fucking garbage

[CorrectCrusader]

Weren't these faggots running mini training camps in August? WTF were they working on? How is the defense worse :lol

This is what blows my mind, these players are all objectively WORSE than they were last year.

[onechance87]

Spurs defense is what is losing these games. Their offense is putting up points, but every team has their season best shooting against the Spurs.

its all our guards Branham,vassell and jones are terrible at d,Our small fowards our not much better in keldon
and sochan

[Leetonidas]

he flat out REFUSES to lob a ball to vw and when he finally passes it to vw- the pass is a shitty pass and results in a turnover or a steal

dribbles all around the fucking perimeter knowing he will jack up a contested fall away prayer while vw is open and standing there with a hand raised…

branham?

uh

pure fucking garbage

Yep dude just puts his head down when he drives and only looks to score. Just as big of a black hole as Keldon

[NASpurs]

Are we aiming for the 9-73 record? I like our chances.

At least we're not the Pistons :hat

[Barfunk]

Wemby definitely wants no part of this record

He looked pissed when he went to the bench during the Bulls timeout when the game was about under wraps .

[timtonymanu]

Pop will be smug and dismissive of actual critical questions as usual. Other coaches would have to take the flack.

Instead it will be that stuttering retard Mike Monroe asking him if Zollins looked more comfortable off the bench.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Weren't these faggots running mini training camps in August? WTF were they working on? How is the defense worse :lol

Pop was making them read social Justice books six hours a day.

[tim_duncan_fan]

If he comes out and is curt with the media, I am going to be annoyed.

[baseline bum]

At least we're not the Pistons :hat

Wish we could merge rosters and then at least the Spurs could probably win 20 games.

[ginobilized]

Ugh, only 62 more to go....

The timing of passes is horrific. Wemby is open and gets the pass late and out of position because the ball is so far off target. So mystifying.
WTF is our problem defending the 3?!?!?! Crazy to see over and over.

Might be time for Branham to visit Austin or the bench. He is in no way ready to be an NBA starter.

[CorrectCrusader]

its all our guards Branham,vassell and jones are terrible at d,Our small fowards our not much better in keldon
and sochan
Basically anyone not named Wembanyama is a sieve on defense

[CorrectCrusader]

Wish we could merge rosters and then at least the Spurs could probably win 20 games.

Shades of sunskings

[baseline bum]

Spurs talking about not wanting to make expensive mistakes and then giving Pop a five year deal.

[Barfunk]

I feel I'm more or less down the middle with Pop, but not even the "sniffers" can defend this losing streak, although they will and say its just tanking and development.

I just don't see how you can defend this. There needs to be some decent winning thrown in. A 5 game win streak here, a 4 game win streak there. 16 losses in a row with Wemby and company is just not good.

[Joseph Kony]

If he comes out and is curt with the media, I am going to be annoyed.
him being an absolute garbage coach isn't enough? :lol

[timtonymanu]

If he comes out and is curt with the media, I am going to be annoyed.

Of course it will be that. And virtue signaling as his defense. We already know how pop is.

[rascal]

At least we're not the Pistons :hat

It's worse than the Pistons.

The Pistons didn't get lucky to get Wemby.

[Gibbz]

Spurs talking about not wanting to make expensive mistakes and then giving Pop a five year deal.

Actually fucking insane. Holy shit.

[mudd]

Sochan is a lost soul out there, front office should be ashamed.

[ginobilized]

Spurs are playing chess and the rest of the league is playing...........basketball

[onechance87]

pop needs to play granham already....Stop play branham,He has no business getting minutes

[Gibbz]

The worst Spurs team of all time and the 75-YO coach is in year one of a 5/80m contract. :lmao

[Robz4000]

JFC what an embarrassment. I feel bad for Victor playing with such a trash team. At least he had Coulibaly having his back at Mets92.

:lol people who said he'd be playing with much more talented players on this Spurs team

[Obstructed_View]

Ugh, only 62 more to go....

The timing of passes is horrific. Wemby is open and gets the pass late and out of position because the ball is so far off target. So mystifying.
WTF is our problem defending the 3?!?!?! Crazy to see over and over.

Might be time for Branham to visit Austin or the bench. He is in no way ready to be an NBA starter.
Guy gets hot from three, Spurs keep leaving him open. Over and over.

Victor slips a screen and rolls to the basket, Spurs don't even look up at him. Over and over.

Opponent's shot goes up, Spurs turn and look at the basket with no awareness of where opponents are and no intention of blocking out. Over and over.

Opponent gets a defensive rebound and someone goes for a steal or a swipe instead of getting back on defense. Over and over.

You sag down on defense when you know the guy you're leaving can't shoot. That's why Collins is always open. The Spurs do it to everyone, no matter how good or how hot they are. Over and over.

[Joseph Kony]

where's that sniffer Mrs. Body been lately? Snifflord was so sure this team would be competing for the play in :lmao :lmao

[CorrectCrusader]

:lol people who said he'd be playing with much more talented players on this Spurs team

I was one of those in those finals threads saying "Imagine what wemby will do with "competent" teammates

[NASpurs]

JFC what an embarrassment. I feel bad for Victor playing with such a trash team. At least he had Coulibaly having his back at Mets92.

Could this team beat a Wemby-less, Couliabaly-less Mets92? :lol

[rascal]

where's that sniffer Mrs. Body been lately? Snifflord was so sure this team would be competing for the play in :lmao :lmao

He hides after every loss.

[tim_duncan_fan]

him being an absolute garbage coach isn't enough? :lol
Lmao, even more annoyed somehow then



Of course it will be that. And virtue signaling as his defense. We already know how pop is.

Shitting on racists and right-wing dumbasses is not causing Pop to be a bad coach. So stupid.

He sucks most likely because he was maybe always just average but with generational talent and all-stars who fell in the draft on his team.

[Obstructed_View]

where's that sniffer Mrs. Body been lately? Snifflord was so sure this team would be competing for the play in :lmao :lmao

I definitely thought they were going to threaten to be a playoff team this year. I thought that Pop was as good of a coach as everyone said and that he would make them defend.

Turns out, it was all Tim Duncan. Every bit of it.

[rascal]

I definitely thought they were going to threaten to be a playoff team this year. I thought that Pop was as good of a coach as everyone said and that he would make them defend.

Turns out, it was all Tim Duncan. Every bit of it.

If you thought they were going to be a playoff team this year you weren't paying attention to last year.

That team was bad and got several gift wins from other tanking teams.

[Mugen]

Serious question - at least Detroit has the Lions this year. What do Fat Antonio fans have? Why are you still going to games to support this shit product? :lol

[Obstructed_View]

I was one of those in those finals threads saying "Imagine what wemby will do with "competent" teammates
Yep, we were so excited to see Victor with mature, top-tier players who were smart enough to get him the ball in his spots. The Spurs are far worse. And far stupider.

I would prefer that Victor get 28 shots a game, even if many of them are bad at this point.

[baseline bum]

Even jeebotard Mark Jackson could do a better job running this team. He wouldn't let them get away with being such ridiculous defenders. Could you imagine what the team's record would have been like last year if people got hyped to play them like they do Wemby instead of the Spurs being everyone's trap game last season?

[Mugen]

where's that sniffer Mrs. Body been lately? Snifflord was so sure this team would be competing for the play in :lmao :lmao

They're all hanging out in the draft thread thinking this is some CIA shit to get a top 5 pick in a shit draft :lmao

[Obstructed_View]

At this point, how could you think a draft pick could save you? The lineups prove Pop has no sense of what this team is. Random starting lineups and benching Bassey are just embarrassing.

[baseline bum]

They're all hanging out in the draft thread thinking this is some CIA shit to get a top 5 pick in a shit draft :lmao

Embarrassed at home by the fucking Chicago Bulls who are about to go gut their team in 7 days when you can start making trades. I was watching a movie where the US and Soviets got into a mutual assured destruction nuclear war and literally sent society back to the 1600s earlier and it was only the second most depressing thing I saw today.

[timtonymanu]

Lmao, even more annoyed somehow then




Shitting on racists and right-wing dumbasses is not causing Pop to be a bad coach. So stupid.

He sucks most likely because he was maybe always just average but with generational talent and all-stars who fell in the draft on his team.

I wasn’t referring to his political views. Only his “don’t boo Kawhi” stuff. Could care less about his politics but regardless on where you stand he definitely uses world issues to deflect from his own coaching problems.

[onechance87]

At this point, how could you think a draft pick could save you? The lineups prove Pop has no sense of what this team is. Random starting lineups and benching Bassey are just embarrassing.

they gotta be better then what we got....Our pg is a undersize average playmaker who cant
shoot in tre jones

[Ditty]

If you thought they were going to be a playoff team this year you weren't paying attention to last year.

That team was bad and got several gift wins from other tanking teams.

Spurs could have won a few more games last year if Pop didn't throw some awful tanking lineup's out there tbh.

It was a possibility that they could have been better than Utah, Portland, Houston, and possibly even Minnesota with the questions about the Gobert fit with Sochan continuing to improve and Vassell being a potential all-star along with Wemby.

[itzsoweezee]

Either these guys have no idea where to go on defense or the plan is to leave shooters open on the three point line. Either way is a terrible look

[timtonymanu]

Serious question - at least Detroit has the Lions this year. What do Fat Antonio fans have? Why are you still going to games to support this shit product? :lol

Not to mention a senile 75 year old man yelling at you to stop booing a player from the opposing team. Who’s gonna pay money to get told by an out of touch man how to support your team.

[NASpurs]

At this point, how could you think a draft pick could save you? The lineups prove Pop has no sense of what this team is. Random starting lineups and benching Bassey are just embarrassing.

How does Brian Wright still have a job :lol

[Mugen]

Embarrassed at home by the fucking Chicago Bulls who are about to go gut their team in 7 days when you can start making trades. I was watching a movie where the US and Soviets got into a mutual assured destruction nuclear war and literally sent society back to the 1600s earlier and it was only the second most depressing thing I saw today.

Don't forget Lavine being out and Caruso getting hurt during the game. I legitimately don't think they'd be the fucking Aces right now. :lol

[PhantomDashCam]

I definitely thought they were going to threaten to be a playoff team this year. I thought that Pop was as good of a coach as everyone said and that he would make them defend.

Turns out, it was all Tim Duncan. Every bit of it.

I thought the exact same way. I’ve had some bad takes through the years but this might be my worst.
The ‘Let’s go Bulls’ chants to end the game… Damn.

[NASpurs]

What does RC do nowadays besides fuck up his liver daily? :lol

[Ditty]

Serious question - at least Detroit has the Lions this year. What do Fat Antonio fans have? Why are you still going to games to support this shit product? :lol

The Cowboys and even the few Texans fans have people excited. There's even a good amount of Eagles and Niners fans you see around town that will keep people not really caring until mid-late January/February.

[baseline bum]

I definitely thought they were going to threaten to be a playoff team this year. I thought that Pop was as good of a coach as everyone said and that he would make them defend.

Turns out, it was all Tim Duncan. Every bit of it.

I thought they'd win 35 games. JFC I thought I was being conservative.

[Pauleta14]

I feel I'm more or less down the middle with Pop, but not even the "sniffers" can defend this losing streak, although they will and say its just tanking and development.

I just don't see how you can defend this. There needs to be some decent winning thrown in. A 5 game win streak here, a 4 game win streak there. 16 losses in a row with Wemby and company is just not good.

I’d be fine even with no win steak. Just one here and there for moral

[rascal]

Spurs could have won a few more games last year if Pop didn't throw some awful tanking lineup's out there tbh.

It was a possibility that they could have been better than Utah, Portland, Houston, and possibly even Minnesota with the questions about the Gobert fit with Sochan continuing to improve and Vassell being a potential all-star along with Wemby.

Vassell is not an all star player and he was hurt a good portion of last year.

Spurs got many lucky gift wins from other teams tanking. There were many tanking teams for Wemby last year. The Spurs aren't seeing teams tanking this year.

[tim_duncan_fan]

https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/5mm6bXfJD9sk.jpg?o=1

[baseline bum]

How does Brian Wright still have a job :lol

Not sure it's fair to judge him by this failure. It really is on Pop to teach them to play defense. I get having weak links but having nobody other than the greatest prospect in twenty years able to play a lick of defense is on the the coach. WTF Pop?

[itzsoweezee]

Starting to think that Vassell is a low bbiq chucker and maybe not a rising star

[Barfunk]

I’d be fine even with no win steak. Just one here and there for moral

Even that would be decent, at this point.

[Ditty]

We are all going to be blowing this team again if they upset the Rockets on Monday :lol

[NASpurs]

https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/5mm6bXfJD9sk.jpg?o=1

:lmao :lmao

[tim_duncan_fan]

:lmao :lmao

Best Primo reference I've seen so far

[timtonymanu]

ROFL even worse knowing patfo allowed that flasher to stick around because they saw him as their “PG” when the dude has logged 0 minutes in the nba since that incident even when he’s on the clippers now.

[Chinook]

Honestly, the sniffers are basically the people who think Wemby's struggles are on everybody else and that he has nothing to do with it. I thought folks had started to accept that Wemby's still trying to figure out how the read an NBA court and accept that he's not usually open during actual passing windows and that making low-percentage passes to him isn't good for Wemby or the team. I guess the break reset everyone's brains or something. I can't believe folks are complaining about him having to reach to get passes when the whole fucking point of "just throw it to him" was that his teammates could throw away from the defense and still hit him because of his reach. Other teams will stop the Spurs from throwing easy passes to him. If Victor needs easy passes, then he needs the offense to create those looks rather than freestyling.

What we learned is that Wemby has a very narrow execution window after entry passes. Most of his successful scores come from him making immediate decisions upon the catch. Getting him more of those looks is a good goal to establish, but you can't build on offense on Victor dashing into the paint with his hand up. You need timing. His dive should be sync'd with penetration or at least some other movement. Right now, you basically have Victor possessions and possessions where the Spurs are trying to run something. I don't know what Pop is doing, but you really shouldn't have that distinction. Victory possessions should be the result of the guys running something, but for some reason, we're seeing way too many trips where the offense completely breaks down, and on many of those the breakdown starts when Wemby doesn't execute his responsibilities and is instead trying to call for a pass.

At least in terms of upside, his floor game works better against centers than it does against forwards. The Spurs need to go smaller if they're going to give Victor a shot as the starting five. Sochan can be the starting PF, but they need to just play a PG with speed and not Osman or Branham. For fucks' sake, the Spurs problem is not that their small guards give up too many points. If that is actually Pop's reasoning for playing these units, he's definitely lost the plot.

EDIT: Since I'm already in here trying to clean up typos -- Yes, these are easily the best teammates Wemby has ever had. I hope folks are just meming when they suggest his former teams are better. Honestly believing that would suggest terrible talent evaluation, or at least an inability to calibrate performance to abstract it from competition.

[Obstructed_View]

How does Brian Wright still have a job :lol
Wright is picking the lineups?

[Mugen]

The Cowboys and even the few Texans fans have people excited. There's even a good amount of Eagles and Niners fans you see around town that will keep people not really caring until mid-late January/February.

Fair enough tbh

[NASpurs]

Wright is picking the lineups?

I meant the "draft pick" part of your post.

[Mugen]

Wright is picking the lineups?

I mean essentially yeah :lol

[z0sa]

Spurs can't throw a pass to Wemby to save their lives. Morons, all of them.

Also, Pop is a straight up loser at this point. Impossibly bad at coaching, as evidenced by the same fucking thing happening game after game after game after game after game x 16, and counting.

There needs to be a shakeup. I don't care what -- but it's way fucking overdue.

[Obstructed_View]

Starting to think that Vassell is a low bbiq chucker and maybe not a rising star

He sure can't pass or play defense.

[Mugen]

And for anybody that thinks I'm too negative, let me hit you with some silver lining..

I've made an absolute killing betting against this team this year :lol

[Obstructed_View]

I meant the "draft pick" part of your post.
The fucking draft picks have been great. I don't have a problem with any of them except Primo. This team with a good coach can play well.

When they can't even block out for a rebound, you gotta blame the coach.

[Obstructed_View]

If you thought they were going to be a playoff team this year you weren't paying attention to last year.

That team was bad and got several gift wins from other tanking teams.
I watched almost every game last year. They left three point shooters open at an alarming rate. I thought it was a genius way to tank.

And it was, if anyone had bothered to stop doing it this season. The Spurs would start accidentally winning some games if they would just stay home on shooters. If you give up ten extra two point shots and prevent ten extra three point shots you suddenly have a lead at the end of some games.

[Jordan Jackson]

Starting to think that Vassell is a low bbiq chucker and maybe not a rising star
He’s a third option and that’s being generous - on a good team.

By the way Keldon Johnson might be one of the worst defenders I’ve ever seen. They got to move him but I’m sure the word is out on him. He’s a putting up points on a bad team type of player.

[TekXX]

The fucking draft picks have been great. I don't have a problem with any of them except Primo. This team with a good coach can play well.

When they can't even block out for a rebound, you gotta blame the coach.

Great huh? IMO too many reaches that aren't working out besides the no brainer wemby.

[Mugen]

I watched almost every game last year. They left three point shooters open at an alarming rate. I thought it was a genius way to tank.

And it was, if anyone had bothered to stop doing it this season. The Spurs would start accidentally winning some games if they would just stay home on shooters. If you give up ten extra two point shots and prevent ten extra three point shots you suddenly have a lead at the end of some games.

I mean that aspect of the game passed the old man almost 10 years ago :lol

we're talking about the man that signed off on trading for Demar fucking Derozan in the middle of the Dubs dynasty. He literally doesn't know how to coach in the modern nba and that's been true for years.

[Obstructed_View]

Great huh? IMO too many reaches that aren't working out besides the no brainer wemby.

I disagree. They aren't working out because they're badly coached. Sochan goes for a monster game and Pop benches him. Bassey plays well and you never see him again. Barlow looks like the perfect guy to pair with Victor, really develops his jumper, and we never see him.

To your point, Wesley was a reach, and pretty much looks like a bust, but I understand the pick. Refusing to draft a traditional point guard is a rather huge head scratcher. The Spurs fell in love with wings with wingspan.

[Robz4000]

Embarrassed at home by the fucking Chicago Bulls who are about to go gut their team in 7 days when you can start making trades. I was watching a movie where the US and Soviets got into a mutual assured destruction nuclear war and literally sent society back to the 1600s earlier and it was only the second most depressing thing I saw today.

What movie was this tbh?

[Obstructed_View]

He’s a third option and that’s being generous - on a good team.

By the way Keldon Johnson might be one of the worst defenders I’ve ever seen. They got to move him but I’m sure the word is out on him. He’s a putting up points on a bad team type of player.
Those two layups he gave up in crunch time were so bad. And they killed the team's chances.

[Obstructed_View]

I mean that aspect of the game passed the old man almost 10 years ago :lol

we're talking about the man that signed off on trading for Demar fucking Derozan in the middle of the Dubs dynasty. He literally doesn't know how to coach in the modern nba and that's been true for years.
But I remember how effective it was when the Spurs just refused to let three point shooters beat them. It worked so well against so many great teams.

[baseline bum]

What movie was this tbh?

Threads. Probably the best of the early 80s cold war after the bomb movies. I don't know how they ever got the BBC to broadcast this given how useless it makes the British government look. It's up on youtube free


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvFu7Z5cc88

a NSFW screenshot below of what to expect if you watch it

https://i.ibb.co/5vJ2Myk/threads-baby.jpg

Also if you want a good laugh here was the official video the British government made that would air in the event of nuclear war. Kind of funny seeing how useless the recommendations turn out to be in the movie. :lol

That jingle is fucking haunting


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yrv505R-0U

[Robz4000]

Threads. Probably the best of the early 80s cold war after the bomb movies. I don't know how they ever got the BBC to broadcast this given how useless it makes the British government look. It's up on youtube free


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvFu7Z5cc88

a NSFW screenshot below of what to expect if you watch it

https://i.ibb.co/5vJ2Myk/threads-baby.jpg

Also if you want a good laugh here was the official video the British government made that would air in the event of nuclear war. Kind of funny seeing how useless the recommendations turn out to be in the movie. :lol

That jingle is fucking haunting


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yrv505R-0U

Thanks. I'm a sucker for these kinds of movies; surprised I never heard of it tbh.

[thiste]

So, we all agree this situation isn't on Victor, right?

[Robz4000]

So, we all agree this situation isn't on Victor, right?

Wouldn't say he's blameless, but he's a 19-year old rookie tbh.

[Mugen]

Thanks. I'm a sucker for these kinds of movies; surprised I never heard of it tbh.

Threads is great tbh.

[Joseph Kony]

So, we all agree this situation isn't on Victor, right?
Wemby is the only reason this team isn't 0-21

[Pauleta14]

Threads. Probably the best of the early 80s cold war after the bomb movies. I don't know how they ever got the BBC to broadcast this given how useless it makes the British government look. It's up on youtube free


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvFu7Z5cc88

a NSFW screenshot below of what to expect if you watch it

https://i.ibb.co/5vJ2Myk/threads-baby.jpg

Also if you want a good laugh here was the official video the British government made that would air in the event of nuclear war. Kind of funny seeing how useless the recommendations turn out to be in the movie. :lol

That jingle is fucking haunting


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yrv505R-0U

The video is unavailable in uk…

[baseline bum]

Thanks. I'm a sucker for these kinds of movies; surprised I never heard of it tbh.

This one makes the others of the era like The Day After, Testament, When the Wind Blows, etc look positively Disneyesque in comparison. :lol

[baseline bum]

The video is unavailable in uk…

Maybe try this one?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhcrgQihRcs

It's on one of the free streaming services too, but I forget which.

[baseline bum]

The video is unavailable in uk…

Here we go. Here's one you can watch in the UK, as it seems to work for me when using a proxy server in London

https://archive.org/details/threads_201712

[timtonymanu]

Threads, fuck. That something I can think of that is worse to watch than Pop’s coaching. Couldn’t even watch that in one sitting because of how disturbing it was.

[Robz4000]

This one makes the others of the era like The Day After, Testament, When the Wind Blows, etc look positively Disneyesque in comparison. :lol

Shit, rougher than Testament?

[baseline bum]

Shit, rougher than Testament?

Much rougher. Comparing Testament to Threads is like comparing Frozen to Faces of Death.

[Robz4000]

Much rougher. Comparing Testament to Threads is like comparing Frozen to Faces of Death.

:lol well shit, now I'm not sure I want to watch it

[baseline bum]

:lol well shit, now I'm not sure I want to watch it

Threads included some things not too well known by the general public about nuclear war at the time the other movies were made. It's a great movie but is way darker than Testament. Testament is filled with heartwarming scenes of a town pulling together, a mother trying to do her best to take care of her kids as well as the neighborhood kids whose parents died, there are no murders or any real violence aside from the bomb strike, etc. Not going to see a scene of a mother explaining to her 13 year-old what sex is like for example in Threads. You can tell the Fallout games were pretty heavily influenced by Threads. :lol

[baseline bum]

:lol well shit, now I'm not sure I want to watch it

Also I saw this panel where Carl Sagan was discussing the movie The Day After (the one that freaked Reagan out so much he and Gorbachev negotiated a reduction in the medium range missiles that could hit London/Moscow in 4 minutes) and Sagan was talking about how The Day After would be like an almost best case scenario for what the world would look like after a US/USSR shooting war. What he described in the panel is much more like what Threads shows. Threads also shows a lot of things Hiroshima survivors recounted which were not allowed to be shown in the American movie The Day After, eg ABC not wanting to show people with skin melting off their arms and such.

[CorrectCrusader]

So, we all agree this situation isn't on Victor, right?

We wouldn't have a win without him.

His issues are mostly system and rookie based, I hope pop doesn't ruin him like he has ruined Sochan.

[baseline bum]

We wouldn't have a win without him.

His issues are mostly system and rookie based, I hope pop doesn't ruin him like he has ruined Sochan.

Yeah I can't really blame Victor for the defense going to absolute shit 85% of the time he goes to the bench for a rest.

[Kurgan]

This one makes the others of the era like The Day After, Testament, When the Wind Blows, etc look positively Disneyesque in comparison. :lol

In keeping with the 80s Nuclear Apocalypse theme, I also like Miracle Mile from 1988. Doesn't deal with the fallout or the after effects of a nuke but more the scrambling in the hours before a strike. Guy learns from a wrong call to a payphone that a nuke is going to land in an hour and tries to escape LA before it hits.

[heyheymymy]

Wemby is now the youngest rookie to get a double 20 game

https://www.nba.com/news/victor-wembanyama-youngest-20-20-game

[Russo21]

We wouldn't have a win without him.

His issues are mostly system and rookie based, I hope pop doesn't ruin him like he has ruined Sochan.

Definitely system and rookie based i agree. Pop has messed with Sochan so I hope he doesn't coach long enough to mess Wemby up. Think back to Richard Jefferson. He was a 20ppg All-star with high hopes for us yet he came here and in 3 seasons put up 12.3ppg 11.0ppg and 9.2ppg. He was mainly shooting 3s when his strength was crazy athleticism and dunking etc. and you could tell the situation ruined him a bit, he never seemed comfortable or too happy. His career had been on a nice trajectory and it was really all down hill for him from there. Theres other examples also. Let's hope Pop isn't here long enough to mess up Wemby

[Chinook]

Definitely system and rookie based i agree. Pop has messed with Sochan so I hope he doesn't coach long enough to mess Wemby up. Think back to Richard Jefferson. He was a 20ppg All-star with high hopes for us yet he came here and in 3 seasons put up 12.3ppg 11.0ppg and 9.2ppg. He was mainly shooting 3s when his strength was crazy athleticism and dunking etc. and you could tell the situation ruined him a bit, he never seemed comfortable or too happy. His career had been on a nice trajectory and it was really all down hill for him from there. Theres other examples also. Let's hope Pop isn't here long enough to mess up Wemby

Jefferson directly credits Pop with extending his career by forcing him to modernize his game. A non-shooting wing that can't create his own shot was going out of style even back then. That's certainly a reason to wonder why the Spurs targeted Jefferson. But they basically got him for expirings. If that was all they were willing to pay, there might not have been better options. It's way too edgelord to pretend like Pop sucked in the early 2010s. I didn't agree with everything he did on the bench, and he said some cringe things, but he was consistently able to help his players perform. If Pop were still his 2010 self, I would be quite pleased to see how he developed the team going forward.

[Fireball]

Man if the Spurs cant beat these Bulls at home, will we ever win one again this season? :downspin:

At least a nice statline by Wemby ...

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Oh look, passing to Wemby in the paint leads to an easy bucket. lol

If this team isn't intentionally tanking, they're just fucking stupid.

They play like it's everyman for himself. Almost no signs of playing like a team.

In order of repeated egregiousness for not passing Wemby the ball in the low post when he's open:

1. Keldon
2. Vassell
3. Sochan
4. Jones
5. Branham
6. Probably Keldon again.

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quite solid D in general.

Lol, wut.

121 points. At home. To as mid a team as exists in the league. While you're on a 16 game skid badly needing a W. And they're arguably missing their best player.

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I hate what Sochan has become, it looks like a neutered individual. Has no fire, constantly makes stupid decisions. Dev and Collins contract looking like ass

PATFO draft day decisions ought to be under full microscope now. Not a one of the last several draftees plays defense, aside from this year going back to Keldon.

[spurraider21]

where's that sniffer Mrs. Body been lately? Snifflord was so sure this team would be competing for the play in :lmao :lmao
“Anyone who bets the under is an idiot”

[SouthernFryd]

Immaturity.

There is talent on the team. They are just young and dumb. Kinda like Young high school basketball stars getting their butts kicked by 40 yr old limpers at the Y...and not having a clue how it happened. These guys are the same.

A coach would help...

[Russo21]

Maybe Pop should take a chance on Vassell at PG. He's our most expensive player and probably 2nd best player with 2nd highest upside but he's playing about 30mpg and averaging only 3 rebounds and I think slightly less than 3 assists per game. That's really not good enough for a SG on a fresh nearly 150 million contract playing 30mpg. He really needs to expand his game somehow, maybe a Vassell PG experiment would be more what we need

[baseline bum]

Jefferson directly credits Pop with extending his career by forcing him to modernize his game. A non-shooting wing that can't create his own shot was going out of style even back then. That's certainly a reason to wonder why the Spurs targeted Jefferson. But they basically got him for expirings. If that was all they were willing to pay, there might not have been better options. It's way too edgelord to pretend like Pop sucked in the early 2010s. I didn't agree with everything he did on the bench, and he said some cringe things, but he was consistently able to help his players perform. If Pop were still his 2010 self, I would be quite pleased to see how he developed the team going forward.

Shit I'd be happy with 2018 Pop who for instance helped mold Derrick White into a top tier defender.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Shit I'd be happy with 2018 Pop who for instance helped mold Derrick White into a top tier defender.

Why do we automatically assume it's Pop and not an assistant or the player simply working on themselves to improve?

[boutons_deux]

Basically anyone not named Wembanyama is a sieve on defense

VW Doesn't Play team defense. Let's way too many drivers. Make layups right past him without making the slightest move or even raising his arms

He spectates shots from no man's land or the three-point line rather than crashing the boards, he's already running down the court

The kids got no hustle, maybe even lazy, certainly no killer instinct

He hasn't understood and maybe nobody has told him that he is a game changer, not just one of the guys

[spurraider21]

Why do we automatically assume it's Pop and not an assistant or the player simply working on themselves to improve?
He has a long track record of having good development of guys who become really good role players. Slomo, CoJo, tre. Poeltl was kind of a throw-in who became a good starter. Danny green. Can’t all be luck

or raw players that developed better than anybody foresaw, like Kawhi, dejounte. White now blossoming as well but the seeds of his game were all planted in SA

[rascal]

VW Doesn't Play team defense. Let's way too many drivers. Make layups right past him without making the slightest move or even raising his arms

He spectates shots from no man's land or the three-point line rather than crashing the boards, he's already running down the court

The kids got no hustle, maybe even lazy, certainly no killer instinct

He hasn't understood and maybe nobody has told him that he is a game changer, not just one of the guys

Why bust his butt when his teammates aren't putting in a strong showing defensively. It's a sinking team ship.

VW is getting exposed with his lack of experience and youth and the skill level of NBA players. He'll be fine in time.

[Rocalcio]

I hope the crowd starts booing DeRozan shooting fts.

Why would they ? The guy has always been honest towards San Antonio, unlike Leonard

[JeffDuncan]

Why do we automatically assume it's Pop and not an assistant or the player simply working on themselves to improve?


The development work is always done by assistants, and the staff in Austin. Also players do offseason work with trainers, as you say. The head coach is only a supervisor of work done by others. Player development is another thing Pop has gotten credit for that he doesn’t deserve. Pop has not personally done player development work, in a hands-on way, since 1994.

Want more irony in your life? When Pop was hired as GM of the Spurs in 1994, what was the first player he signed? Answer: a point guard. Avery Johnson.

[JeffDuncan]

VW …

He spectates shots from no man's land or the three-point line rather than crashing the boards, he's already running down the court

The kids got no hustle, maybe even lazy, …


Did you have a little brain glitch between sentences? How does a player run down the court, with no hustle? Running down the court with no hustle is hard to do.

Bless Victor for running down the court - hustling - on defense, because those backpedaling morons, Keldon and Sochan, are liable to get cooked in transition. It’s been known to happen.

But, ok, you want Victor to be more aggressive going after rebounds. If he had teammates he could trust maybe he would be.

[NASpurs]

Why would they ? The guy has always been honest towards San Antonio, unlike Leonard

Jesus Christ, do I really need to explain why I said that considering what Pop did a couple of weeks ago when Kawhi was being booed at the ft line? :lol Read between the lines my brother.

[Rocalcio]

Jesus Christ, do I really need to explain why I said that considering what Pop did a couple of weeks ago when Kawhi was being booed at the ft line? :lol Read between the lines my brother.

That still doesn’t make sense.

[spurs10]

I just wonder if there is any conversation about how 'we might need to win a game every month or so to keep these fans spending millions of dollars coming to see this team lose.'

A draft pick is nice, but watching this is torture....so I usually turn it off in the 3rd quarter. Came back in the 4th when we tied it up. Good thing for the tank Wemby and Vassell were benched.

[onechance87]

wemby playing center looks good stat wise....If he gets more stats like that several more games...Could get him
back to roy award

[Raven]

Lol, wut.

121 points. At home. To as mid a team as exists in the league. While you're on a 16 game skid badly needing a W. And they're arguably missing their best player.
that came before the meltdown

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that came before the meltdown

Yeah they gave up 69 in that second half. their defense hasn't played well for an entire game this season.

I encourage you to watch Keldon and noone else the next game when he's on the floor. I did this past game.

Keldon has to go.

[CGD]

Yeah they gave up 69 in that second half. their defense hasn't played well for an entire game this season.

I encourage you to watch Keldon and noone else the next game when he's on the floor. I did this past game.

Keldon has to go.

Keldon is definitely a liability on that end. He had a great shooting night last night, but I feel he gave it all back and more. It’s not for a lack of trying, but almost like he lacks feel or can’t fully read the game on that side.

[RC_Drunkford]

Keldon is basically asleep when he's an offball defender. He doesn't know what's going on at all

[baseline bum]

:lol well shit, now I'm not sure I want to watch it

Here's a good comparison between Testament and Threads

Testament: 13 year-old daughter asks mid 30s MILF mom what it's like to make love and she talks about how much she was in love with her husband and how they felt like one person and it was sweet.

Threads: 13 year-old daughter watches mid 30s gray haired mom who is blind from radiation induced cataracts collapse while working the nearly barren fields. The next day she tells her 'work' and tries to wake her up but instead mom dies right there, daughter loots moms possessions. Next scene 13 year-old daughter is cooking a rabbit she caught, two 15 year-old boys try to rob her, cops kill one of the boys but the other boy and the 13 year-old daughter get away. Surviving boy rapes 13 year-old girl. 13/14 year-old girl delivers severely mutated stillborn fetus 9 months later.

So yeah, Testament is like Disney Princesses compared to Threads. :lol

[Robz4000]

Here's a good comparison between Testament and Threads

Testament: 13 year-old daughter asks mid 30s MILF mom what it's like to make love and she talks about how much she was in love with her husband and how they felt like one person and it was sweet.

Threads: 13 year-old daughter watches mid 30s gray haired mom who is blind from radiation induced cataracts collapse while working the nearly barren fields. The next day she tells her 'work' and tries to wake her up but instead mom dies right there, daughter loots moms possessions. Next scene 13 year-old daughter is cooking a rabbit she caught, two 15 year-old boys try to rob her, cops kill one of the boys but the other boy and the 13 year-old daughter get away. Surviving boy rapes 13 year-old girl. 13/14 year-old girl delivers severely mutated stillborn fetus 9 months later.

So yeah, Testament is like Disney Princesses compared to Threads. :lol

Kinda reminds me of Mark Celibate's spiel about the guy meeting the girl at the bar tbh.