Will the McCombs Bring Pressure to Win?

[Tyronn Lue]

I read that the McCombs are once again involved with the Spurs. Assuming I didn't just see old news, will this change the pressure from above to win or is there a long term plan these folks know about that would make them want to get involved again? Part of me thinks they are disgusted with the current situation and part thinks they believe the future is going to pay off. I am leaning more towards the payoff side, and that the ownership might be looking to diversify, become less invested individually.

[exstatic]

I read that the McCombs are once again involved with the Spurs. Assuming I didn't just see old news, will this change the pressure from above to win or is there a long term plan these folks know about that would make them want to get involved again? Part of me thinks they are disgusted with the current situation and part thinks they believe the future is going to pay off. I am leaning more towards the payoff side, and that the ownership might be looking to diversify, become less invested individually.
Red McCombs was never about winning. He killed the trade that would have sent Barkley here instead of to Phoenix, because he was too cheap to pay him. Same reason Strickland was allowed to walk.

[scott]

If anything, they’ll continue to be satisfied with losing, just like their family has with every other team they’ve ever been part of. Thankfully, I don’t think they’ll have much influence.

[TDomination]

If true, hopefully they are disgusted by the product and will put pressure to make significant changes to personnel to improve the team.
we have the superstar, now lets go from there.

I'm guessing this next offseason is THE offseason to make big moves. We have the money and draft capital to make a trade or entice a decent free agent hopefully.

But i know that winning cures all. If they begin winning next year, this year will be long forgotten and will be seen as a year that we were able to get Wemby fully acclimated to the NBA.

[z0sa]

Only if it means the Spurs hold on to their cashcow Wemby. If they think they can get away with losing and make out like bandits for 10+ years of the Wemby era, then I doubt ownership cares. They are the business side of it, which usually is all about $$$.

[MultiTroll]

Pathetic Douchebag move All Time this has to be in the top 5:

McCombs gifted Mychal Thompson to the Lakers in Feb 1987.

It was exactly what the Phaggots needed after getting their shit pushed in by Houston in 1986.

Of course Stern taking out Houstons back court was the major move.

[baseline bum]

McCombs was a horrible owner and it really made you appreciate how amazing Drossos and Holt were. Drossos went out and paid for Mike Mitchell and Artis Gilmore in subsequent years to try to get this team past the Lakers and to a title. Never did punch through that wall in LA but I'm still highly appreciative Angelo did everything he could to try to win this team a title. And I'll always be thankful for Peter Holt paying Manu and Tony to keep this team together despite having a net worth dwarfed by most of the other owners in the league. Only really bad cost cutting move was salary dumping Scola, but the good outweighs the bad so heavily in Holt's favor. Meanwhile McCombs was by orders of magnitude more rich than Drossos or Holt but nickel and dimed away David's prime by cheaping out on Barkley and then letting Rod Strickland walk for nothing, to be replaced by scrub ass Vinny Del Negro. I'm saddened to hear the shitbag McCombs are back owning a part of the team.

[baseline bum]

Pathetic Douchebag move All Time this has to be in the top 5:

McCombs gifted Mychal Thompson to the Lakers in Feb 1987.

It was exactly what the Phaggots needed after getting their shit pushed in by Houston in 1986.

Of course Stern taking out Houstons back court was the major move.

People like to shit on the Spurs for that move but Brickowski was way better than Thompson and as a Spurs fan I think the Spurs won that trade.

[spurraider21]

McCombs was a horrible owner and it really made you appreciate how amazing Drossos and Holt were. Drossos went out and paid for Mike Mitchell and Artis Gilmore in subsequent years to try to get this team past the Lakers and to a title. Never did punch through that wall in LA but I'm still highly appreciative Angelo did everything he could to try to win this team a title. And I'll always be thankful for Peter Holt paying Manu and Tony to keep this team together despite having a net worth dwarfed by most of the other owners in the league. Only really bad cost cutting move was salary dumping Scola, but the good outweighs the bad so heavily in Holt's favor. Meanwhile McCombs was by orders of magnitude more rich than Drossos or Holt but nickel and dimed away David's prime by cheaping out on Barkley and then letting Rod Strickland walk for nothing, to be replaced by scrub ass Vinny Del Negro. I'm saddened to hear the shitbag McCombs are back owning a part of the team.
holt was helped by duncan/manu/parker all playing below market value for most of their careers

porker was only really overpaid at the end of his career when he signed that 3 year max extension after already showing signs of decline

[baseline bum]

holt was helped by duncan/manu/parker all playing below market value for most of their careers

porker was only really overpaid at the end of his career when he signed that 3 year max extension after already showing signs of decline

Tim played for max contracts until he started getting old. Manu definitely took a paycut vs what Denver was offering in 04. Can't remember Tony's contract situation.

[spurraider21]

Tim played for max contracts until he started getting old. Manu definitely took a paycut vs what Denver was offering in 04. Can't remember Tony's contract situation.
was duncan really getting max deals?

https://i.gyazo.com/da54104397f0dc1837eae8cad576d1b7.png

KG was regularly out-earning duncan and signing for deals at or over 20m per year

https://i.gyazo.com/0f39701313d134f55416f509b9405506.png

[spurraider21]

duncan's 2/40 deal was definitely below max. he could have earned 2/51 and chose to sign for less. according to the article, PATFO actually offered him the 2 year max then, but also showed what they could do to build the team if he accepted less, and he thought about it and took less

https://sports.yahoo.com/jy-tim102907.html

[scott]

duncan's 2/40 deal was definitely below max. he could have earned 2/51 and chose to sign for less. according to the article, PATFO actually offered him the 2 year max then, but also showed what they could do to build the team if he accepted less, and he thought about it and took less

https://sports.yahoo.com/jy-tim102907.html

Can’t wait to lose Wemby when the Holts and McCombs trying to convince his team that he should really take a 5/120 declining rookie extension deal to help the team :lol

[baseline bum]

was duncan really getting max deals?

https://i.gyazo.com/da54104397f0dc1837eae8cad576d1b7.png

KG was regularly out-earning duncan and signing for deals at or over 20m per year

https://i.gyazo.com/0f39701313d134f55416f509b9405506.png

Yes Tim was playing for max deals. KG made way more because there was no max salary when he signed his franchise crippling contract with the Wolves, and he was able to use that grandfathered contract to get higher base year salary than the CBA allowed on his next contracts in Minnesota.

[spurraider21]

Yes Tim was playing for max deals. KG made way more because there was no max salary when he signed his franchise crippling contract with the Wolves, and he was able to use that grandfathered contract to get higher base year salary than the CBA allowed on his next contracts in Minnesota.
duncan signed his 3 year deal in 2000 when the magic offered him a 6 year deal, tho his salary for those 3 years was the max he was eligible for. i showed that his 2/40 deal was below the max. may be right on the big 7 year deal tho

edit: yeah just confirmed his 7/122 was also the max

[baseline bum]

duncan's 2/40 deal was definitely below max. he could have earned 2/51 and chose to sign for less. according to the article, PATFO actually offered him the 2 year max then, but also showed what they could do to build the team if he accepted less, and he thought about it and took less

https://sports.yahoo.com/jy-tim102907.html

Yeah I said he took paycuts when he got old. Eg when he was 34 when he signed that 2 year, $40 million deal.

[baseline bum]

duncan signed his 3 year deal in 2000 when the magic offered him a 6 year deal. i also showed that his 2/40 deal was below the max. may be right on the big 7 year deal tho

Tim signed that three year deal so he could opt out in two if the team didn't build a winner around him.

[spurraider21]

Tim signed that three year deal so he could opt out in two if the team didn't build a winner around him.
yeah i looked into it and you are right. he signed max deals on that 3 year deal and the subsequent 7 year deal

[baseline bum]

yeah i looked into it and you are right. he signed max deals on that 3 year deal and the subsequent 7 year deal

Spurs would have definitely loved Tim to take that 7 year deal, but they were starting Jerome Kersey and Terry Porter at the time and looked older than dirt. And this was before Manu had blown up at Kinder Bologna. I expected Tim to come back since he had basically promised to return earlier in the year if the arena vote for the SBC Center passed but part of me thought it was a pretty dumb decision given he could have played with Grant Hill in Orlando back when Grant Hill looked like Kobe. But Pop and David closed the deal to get Tim back.

[SouthernFryd]

Spurs are losing. That's McCombs type of team, he'll feel right at home.

Holt needs to be more active.

[rjv]

the same family that brought in tark "the shark"?

[exstatic]

Spurs would have definitely loved Tim to take that 7 year deal, but they were starting Jerome Kersey and Terry Porter at the time and looked older than dirt. And this was before Manu had blown up at Kinder Bologna. I expected Tim to come back since he had basically promised to return earlier in the year if the arena vote for the SBC Center passed but part of me thought it was a pretty dumb decision given he could have played with Grant Hill in Orlando back when Grant Hill looked like Kobe. But Pop and David closed the deal to get Tim back.

Grant was never that player in Orlando, having destroyed his ankle playing injured for Detroit the previous year,but I guess Tim couldn’t have looked into the future to see that.

[Tyronn Lue]

Does McCombs coming in mean someone wanted out or wanted less of a stake?

[boutons_deux]

McCombs are wealthy

The wealthy priority, (the is no secondary), is MORE WEALTH

My guess is they expect VW to raise the value of the franchise

so the McCombs investment, to be liquidated after a couple years, is for $100Ms profit

[Obstructed_View]

McCombs was a car salesman. Everything was all about making money. The Alamodome was a big scam to make himself richer, to chain an anchor around the city, and to fuck the Spurs out of a decent arena.

[Tyronn Lue]

McCombs was a car salesman. Everything was all about making money. The Alamodome was a big scam to make himself richer, to chain an anchor around the city, and to fuck the Spurs out of a decent arena.
Do you think this investment group still thinks that way? Still curious as to why they are interested and who let them in and why.

[Tyronn Lue]

McCombs are wealthy

The wealthy priority, (the is no secondary), is MORE WEALTH

My guess is they expect VW to raise the value of the franchise

so the McCombs investment, to be liquidated after a couple years, is for $100Ms profit
Which seems to indicate they would want success from a basketball standpoint, not to usher Victor to LA.

[Thomas82]

If anything, they’ll continue to be satisfied with losing, just like their family has with every other team they’ve ever been part of. Thankfully, I don’t think they’ll have much influence.

I really hope this is the case because the first thing I think of when I hear the McCombs name is the nixed Charles Barkley trade.

[boutons_deux]

Which seems to indicate they would want success from a basketball standpoint, not to usher Victor to LA.

The want VW to anchor a winning franchise, push value to $3B

[boutons_deux]

Which seems to indicate they would want success from a basketball standpoint, not to usher Victor to LA.

The want VW to anchor a winning franchise, push value to $3B so they can cash out

[Tyronn Lue]

The want VW to anchor a winning franchise, push value to $3B
That would require acquisition of more seasoned talent, not a fresh start will all no-names.

[BacktoBasics]

I only vaguely remember the Barkley talk. What was the proposed trade? Was a deal in place?

[baseline bum]

Which seems to indicate they would want success from a basketball standpoint, not to usher Victor to LA.

Probably looking to cash in on that sweet welfare to billionaires through a new publicly funded arena when they have Victor who will probably be good enough to make this team a contender when that arena vote comes up in 4-5 years.

[baseline bum]

I only vaguely remember the Barkley talk. What was the proposed trade? Was a deal in place?

Supposedly TC and Willie Anderson. Could swear timvp was the source on that but could be wrong.

[baseline bum]

I really hope this is the case because the first thing I think of when I hear the McCombs name is the nixed Charles Barkley trade.

Years after the fact McCombs said he was going to trade David to the Knicks for Ewing to get out of paying him, when of course there was no way Ewing would stick around. San Antonio would have probably burned all his auto dealerships to the ground had he done that. :lol

[scott]

I can't remember the details of what happened, but the Vikings were stacked contenders for the first few years Red owned them, then they turned to total shit and he sold the team when he couldn't get the city to buy him a new stadium.

For all the accoladed he has received as a businessman and for his role in the Spurs being in SA, he was also a team-flipping opportunist. He owned the Spurs (the first time) for 5 years, the Nuggets for 7 years, the Spurs (again) for 5 years, then the Vikings for 7 years. Boutons crazy ass is correct... the McCombs family just likes to make money. More power to them, hopefully they have zero input on anything though.

[Thomas82]

Years after the fact McCombs said he was going to trade David to the Knicks for Ewing to get out of paying him, when of course there was no way Ewing would stick around. San Antonio would have probably burned all his auto dealerships to the ground had he done that. :lol

Yeah, I definitely remember that too. If that's the case, why did he put all of that effort into selling David on signing with the Spurs in the first place? If he had traded David, there would have been a riot here.

[baseline bum]

I can't remember the details of what happened, but the Vikings were stacked contenders for the first few years Red owned them, then they turned to total shit and he sold the team when he couldn't get the city to buy him a new stadium.

For all the accoladed he has received as a businessman and for his role in the Spurs being in SA, he was also a team-flipping opportunist. He owned the Spurs (the first time) for 5 years, the Nuggets for 7 years, the Spurs (again) for 5 years, then the Vikings for 7 years. Boutons crazy ass is correct... the McCombs family just likes to make money. More power to them, hopefully they have zero input on anything though.

Sadly boutons is correct a lot of the time with his fucked and unfuckable schtick.

[james evans]

Can’t wait to lose Wemby when the Holts and McCombs trying to convince his team that he should really take a 5/120 declining rookie extension deal to help the team :lol
and he should walk. This pay cut bullshit is silly. Billionaires asking millionaires to help save them money. Makes no sense.

[The Truth #6]

The McCombs will bring pressure to sell hot dogs and steer people towards buying used cars via o
ver aggressive in-game advertising.

[exstatic]

and he should walk. This pay cut bullshit is silly. Billionaires asking millionaires to help save them money. Makes no sense.

No one will be asking Wemby to take a pay cut. What the fuck is the matter with you? He’ll get the Tim treatment: maximum dollars for the first 12-13 years, carte Blanche.

[R. DeMurre]

Red McCombs died in February of this year, at age 95. I don't know anything about the kids at all.

[baseline bum]

Red McCombs died in February of this year, at age 95. I don't know anything about the kids at all.

Doubt the apple fell far from the tree