I think KD will be a Spur one day...

[kxs783kms]

Hear me out:

As currently constructed, I don't see that PHX team as a true championship contender. Yes they have some big names on paper but I don't think they have the money or picks to get that other key piece that they need. With that being said, I think KD will realize this and at some point, force his way off yet, another team. Where do the Spurs come in? Well obviously we have the draft picks and cash to bring in a KD first off. PHX need picks. Also with KD going to college at Texas, he's already somewhat familiar with the landscape. I don't see KD as the type who really cares what market he plays in. Next he speaks highly of Coach Pop and enjoyed playing for him on team USA. But the thing that gives me the most hope is Wemby. Every interview I've seen KD talk about Wemby, it's like he's gleaming. Like to me, he has that look like he can really see himself playing with him because he sees the potential. He also clearly sees that we need help. This is and will be Wemby's team but KD is the type who doesn't mind that, as we've seen with other teams. Above all, he just wants to ball! Even at this age, he's having one of his best season's and I don't see him falling off the cliff anytime soon, mainly because of his playing style. It may be a long shot and I definitely don't think it'll happen this year. But next year, around the trade deadline, if PHX is still looking like the team they are now, I think we may have a shot.

[scott]

Kevin Durant is the wrong Kevin to have your eyes out for. #TranTrain

[kxs783kms]

Kevin Durant is the wrong Kevin to have your eyes out for. #TranTrain

We can get both.

[scott]

We can get both.

In the salary cap era? Impossible.

[kxs783kms]

In the salary cap era? Impossible.

Wemby wouldn't be up for his max deal until 3 more years. Pretty sure KD would be considering retirement at that point, which is why it would be important to get him now while Wemby is on his rookie deal.

[TrainOfThought5]

I know this sounds crazy but I’d rather have TOSB Lebron or TOSBron.

that championship knowledge, and active leadership would be instrumental to building us back to where we need to be. His abilities to get a ton out of role players is also fantastic.

[John B]

Kevin Durant is the wrong Kevin to have your eyes out for. #TranTrain

I like him at Bodyguard, but can he play?? :lol

[BatManu20]

Been saying this for a while tbh. In 2-3 years, IF the Spurs draft and develop well and actually put a team around Wemby, I think KD will be a veteran piece we try to sign. Just makes a lot of sense for both parties.

[CorrectCrusader]

Spurs getting washed superstars years after their prime
Name something more iconic

[MultiTroll]

Keep that bandwaggoning phuck away.

Do not besmirch the foundation that Timmy Duncan laid any further then Granpa has.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Kevin Durant is the wrong Kevin to have your eyes out for. #TranTrain

:lol

Nice!

[Tyronn Lue]

At some point the Spurs absolutely must acquire Duncan Robinson. It's just too good.

[gambit1990]

okc tbh. he’d get a small amount of redemption helping that team win a title.

especially if that franchise has moved back to seattle.

[K...]

why not shaq?

[kxs783kms]

At some point the Spurs absolutely must acquire Duncan Robinson. It's just too good.

We'll take him too.

[kxs783kms]

why not shaq?

We'll take him too.

[kxs783kms]

okc tbh. he’d get a small amount of redemption helping that team win a title.

especially if that franchise has moved back to seattle.

They already will have to lose some of their top guys now when it's time to extend them (*Shai, Holgrem, Giddey, Jalen.*) They won't have the money.

[kxs783kms]

Spurs getting washed superstars years after their prime
Name something more iconic

While agree with this, KD is statistically having one of his best years ever. I'm trying to see what makes you think he's about to fall off a cliff next year? His style of play will allow him to play like this for at least another 3 years I believe.

[Tyronn Lue]

While agree with this, KD is statistically having one of his best years ever. I'm trying to see what makes you think he's about to fall off a cliff next year? His style of play will allow him to play like this for at least another 3 years I believe.
He's not banging bodies in the post, he's a finesse guy who doesn't have a lot of elbows raining down on his eye sockets at his height. This isn't news though, he's still a top shelf guy, top shelf money.

[kxs783kms]

Been saying this for a while tbh. In 2-3 years, IF the Spurs draft and develop well and actually put a team around Wemby, I think KD will be a veteran piece we try to sign. Just makes a lot of sense for both parties.

I mean it only makes sense. He'll be an excellent fit for the PnR with Wemby. Plus the inside play of Wemby and his outside shooting would be unstoppable.

[spursparker9]

By then it will be the corpse of KD

[CorrectCrusader]

While agree with this, KD is statistically having one of his best years ever. I'm trying to see what makes you think he's about to fall off a cliff next year? His style of play will allow him to play like this for at least another 3 years I believe.

Once a little bit of that speeds gone the contests will be much better on him and he'll fall off. Similar to Klay

[kxs783kms]

Once a little bit of that speeds gone the contests will be much better on him and he'll fall off. Similar to Klay

Difference between him and Klay is not even close. Klay need screens while KD can create his own space and get just about any shot he wants. Plus KD can shoot over just about any player in the NBA, so he can afford to lose a little speed or quickness and have his game not suffer much.

[SPURt]

I know this sounds crazy but I’d rather have TOSB Lebron or TOSBron.

that championship knowledge, and active leadership would be instrumental to building us back to where we need to be. His abilities to get a ton out of role players is also fantastic.
If the Spurs draft or sign undrafted Bronny this would happen

[timtonymanu]

Why would he go here to play for a senile; out of touch Pop?

[buttsR4rebounding]

If the Spurs draft or sign undrafted Bronny this would happen

Undrafted Bronny? No way. He won’t make it to 20. Some team will take him just for the chance to get LBJ for a couple of years.

[sananspursfan21]

I dunno, is KD over himself?

[ismael-robert]

For a 1 year rental...yay

[exstatic]

Do not want.

[kxs783kms]

Really saw this coming a year and a half ago if the trade does hold up. If you go back and look at any KD interview whenever he's asked about Wemby, his face lights up.

[rascal]

Why are some people so desperate?

Spurs are going to get there(and it's going to be soon - a couple of years) to build a championship team with a long window for success.
Don't trade #2 or #14 or any other future draft picks. Stay on the course they initially wanted to go on, build through the draft.

[exstatic]

Why are some people so desperate?

Spurs are going to get there(and it's going to be soon - a couple of years) to build a championship team with a long window for success.
Don't trade #2 or #14 or any other future draft picks. Stay on the course they initially wanted to go on, build through the draft.

I’ll bet KD never thought he’d wind up being Mini Me to some French dude.

[kxs783kms]

Why are some people so desperate?

Spurs are going to get there(and it's going to be soon - a couple of years) to build a championship team with a long window for success.
Don't trade #2 or #14 or any other future draft picks. Stay on the course they initially wanted to go on, build through the draft.

Have you seen our record over the past 6-7 years? And these are the players and path you want us to stay on? ������ Ok

[LeBowen]

Have you seen our record over the past 6-7 years? And these are the players and path you want us to stay on? ������ Ok

What do #2 and #14 picks have to do with the players currently on the roster?
Most of us want to get rid of Vassell, Keldon and even Sochan.
Trading away #2 would be idiotic.

[Poolboy5623]

Why are some people so desperate?

Spurs are going to get there(and it's going to be soon - a couple of years) to build a championship team with a long window for success.
Don't trade #2 or #14 or any other future draft picks. Stay on the course they initially wanted to go on, build through the draft.

Well, I think some people are in the mindset that a guy with Wemby's body type isn't going to hold up for 10 years +. The time is now.

[onechance87]

Well, I think some people are in the mindset that a guy with Wemby's body type isn't going to hold up for 10 years +. The time is now.

Yup..Wemby missing over 20 games already in his second season should be a reality check for us spurs fans.We need to
move a alot faster.

[sfernald]

Yup..Wemby missing over 20 games already in his second season should be a reality check for us spurs fans.We need to
move a alot faster.

Wemby will be fine guys. Don’t panic. Sure he’s an alien but he’s a healthy one. I’ve never seen someone so tall with such a healthy body and mind.

I’m really curious what lineup you prefer?

Fox/Harper/Castle/Durant/Wemby

or

Fox/Castle/Sochan/Durant/Wemby

or (after one more small trade)

Fox/Harper/Cam Johnson/Durant/Wemby

Would that last one provide insane spacing for Wemby?

[kxs783kms]

What do #2 and #14 picks have to do with the players currently on the roster?
Most of us want to get rid of Vassell, Keldon and even Sochan.
Trading away #2 would be idiotic.

Because you're bringing more young, inexperienced talent into a losing culture. No one on this roster knows anything about winning one NBA playoff game except CP3(*who may be gone*) and Barnes. You think it's a coincidence that our record got better when we brought vets in? We need vets with winning experience to show these young guys how to actually win. If you want to see different results, you have to do something different.

[SpursFan86]

We’re just really not giving much up (at least in the packages being commonly discussed) to warrant concerns about us “blowing up our core” or sacrificing the future for the present.

Keldon and Barnes almost certainly aren’t part of the long term plans. I’m sure there are still people that believe in Vassell but it’s not like he’s a lock to be a key piece of this team for years. People are kidding themselves if they think #14 is some insanely valuable piece - there is a high likelihood whoever gets picked here ends up being just an average NBA player or worse. Obviously there are prospects that we all like here but we have to be realistic and understand that no one at 14 is a lock to be a high level NBA player.

We’re just simply not giving up much to get an all-star caliber and all-time great player in KD. If we start talking about packages that involve additional FRPs then that changes things…but it’s just hard for me to see how anyone could be that fearful of giving up something like Vassell/Barnes/14.

[exstatic]

Because you're bringing more young, inexperienced talent into a losing culture. No one on this roster knows anything about winning one NBA playoff game except CP3(*who may be gone*) and Barnes. You think it's a coincidence that our record got better when we brought vets in? We need vets with winning experience to show these young guys how to actually win. If you want to see different results, you have to do something different.

We got better because we stopped trying to lose after two years of doing that.

Draft picks:

Keldon 29
Devin 10
Primo 11
Sochan 9

Good draft picks:
Wemby 1
Castle 4

The divide between these groups is bigger than the Grand Canyon. To say that we shouldn’t add another top player at 2 is ridiculous. Top 4 picks are what you build champions from, and we will have 3 of them.

[Mr. Body]

I have no problem moving the 14 pick to get Durant. Getting off Vassell is probably a good way to get flexibility. I just don't think he's going to be healthy enough or make a leap into a prime starter. Maybe a change helps him. I don't like losing Barnes, but Durant is a massive upgrade.

None of the players at 14 seem that enticing. Sure, a swing at a Bryant or someone is fine, but I don't particularly believe in anyone there.

That's purely from a basketball standpoint. An extension for Durant could be concerning if it's very large.

[RC_Drunkford]

We’re just really not giving much up (at least in the packages being commonly discussed) to warrant concerns about us “blowing up our core” or sacrificing the future for the present.

Keldon and Barnes almost certainly aren’t part of the long term plans. I’m sure there are still people that believe in Vassell but it’s not like he’s a lock to be a key piece of this team for years. People are kidding themselves if they think #14 is some insanely valuable piece - there is a high likelihood whoever gets picked here ends up being just an average NBA player or worse. Obviously there are prospects that we all like here but we have to be realistic and understand that no one at 14 is a lock to be a high level NBA player.

We’re just simply not giving up much to get an all-star caliber and all-time great player in KD. If we start talking about packages that involve additional FRPs then that changes things…but it’s just hard for me to see how anyone could be that fearful of giving up something like Vassell/Barnes/14.

actually from what I know the Spurs would like to keep Keldon, because he has accepted his role as a bench player. Besides him being the so called "heart and soul of the team". With that being said, he's not a dealbreaker. And neither Sochan nor Champagnie are safe. I think the roster turnover will be major. Only Wemby, Fox and Castle are untradeable,

[kxs783kms]

We got better because we stopped trying to lose after two years of doing that.

Draft picks:

Keldon 29
Devin 10
Primo 11
Sochan 9

Good draft picks:
Wemby 1
Castle 4

The divide between these groups is bigger than the Grand Canyon. To say that we shouldn’t add another top player at 2 is ridiculous. Top 4 picks are what you build champions from, and we will have 3 of them.

I remember people on this forum saying Rob Dillingham was the next superstar and he could barely crack Minny's rotation. Sorry I'll rather take the player playing at an All-NBA level than an unproven freshman who fans deem the next superstar after 1 decent season at Rutgers. Crazy how we've already made Harper a superstar without touching an NBA court.

[SpursFan86]

actually from what I know the Spurs would like to keep Keldon, because he has accepted his role as a bench player. Besides him being the so called "heart and soul of the team". With that being said, he's not a dealbreaker. And neither Sochan nor Champagnie are safe. I think the roster turnover will be major. Only Wemby, Fox and Castle are untradeable,

It’s not that I’m saying everyone is untradeable, just that in the packages that are being discussed it’s usually either Vassell/Keldon/14 or Vassell/Barnes/14. I think anyone being upset or worried about giving up either of those packages for KD is either vastly underrating KD or vastly overrating the value of our side of the trade. Like generally speaking, being upset about giving up a #14 pick + a couple of non-critical pieces for someone of KD’s caliber is a no-brainer.

Obviously if they end up giving up way more than what we’ve been talking about then it’s possible we overpay for KD. I just think that’s unlikely but we’ll see.

[Mr. Body]

It’s not that I’m saying everyone is untradeable, just that in the packages that are being discussed it’s usually either Vassell/Keldon/14 or Vassell/Barnes/14. I think anyone being upset or worried about giving up either of those packages for KD is either vastly underrating KD or vastly overrating the value of our side of the trade.

Obviously if they end up giving up way more than what we’ve been talking about then it’s possible we overpay for KD. I just think that’s unlikely but we’ll see.

Salary concerns seem to be big on the PHX side. Barnes would be preferable over Keldon as he's an expiring. As it is, if PHX can get Durant for a package like Vassel + Barnes it seems they can get under the second apron. The question at that point is draft assets.

[baseline bum]

Why are some people so desperate?

Spurs are going to get there(and it's going to be soon - a couple of years) to build a championship team with a long window for success.
Don't trade #2 or #14 or any other future draft picks. Stay on the course they initially wanted to go on, build through the draft.

Getting a loser like Vassell off the team is huge, especially since it opens up minutes for Harper and Castle. #14 and Vassell for KD is a no-brainer if Durant isn't going to require superstar money in Year 3.

[LeBowen]

The question at that point is draft assets.

A lot of fans underestimate the value of second rounders, especially for teams with cap issues.
Suns have '25 and '26 SRPs, none after that all the way until '32. That's 5 years without a single SRP.

Spurs can easily throw 5 SRPs at them without even flinching.

[Mr. Body]

A lot of fans underestimate the value of second rounders, especially for teams with cap issues.
Suns have '25 and '26 SRPs, none after that all the way until '32. That's 5 years without a single SRP.

Spurs can easily throw 5 SRPs at them without even flinching.

Probably do 14 and 38 and a few others. The question for PHX is placating their general fandom -- "We're giving up Durant for what??" -- but they're probably beyond that point now.

[$pursDynasty]

We got better because we stopped trying to lose after two years of doing that.

Draft picks:

Keldon 29
Devin 10
Primo 11
Sochan 9

Good draft picks:
Wemby 1
Castle 4

The divide between these groups is bigger than the Grand Canyon. To say that we shouldn’t add another top player at 2 is ridiculous. Top 4 picks are what you build champions from, and we will have 3 of them.

Never understood the Keldon hate on this board for being the 29th pick we have gotten a pretty good return on investment. Not Manu good but that was once in a lifetime. How much more do you expect from a player drafted #29 when players drafted #1 are often underwhelming?

[LeBowen]

Never understood the Keldon hate on this board for being the 29th pick we have gotten a pretty good return on investment. Not Manu good but that was once in a lifetime. How much more do you expect from a player drafted #29 when players drafted #1 are often underwhelming?

He's a low IQ player on offense and a traffic cone on defense.
Still great value considering his draft position, but doesn't have much going for him if we're talking winning serious basketball games.

[exstatic]

Never understood the Keldon hate on this board for being the 29th pick we have gotten a pretty good return on investment. Not Manu good but that was once in a lifetime. How much more do you expect from a player drafted #29 when players drafted #1 are often underwhelming?

I don’t hate Keldon at all. I do recognize that he is not in the same category of draft pick and player as our top 4 selections. Castle was a better player in year one than Keldon was in year six. That’s the difference between pick #4 and even a good outcome for pick #29.

[scott]

Never understood the Keldon hate on this board for being the 29th pick we have gotten a pretty good return on investment. Not Manu good but that was once in a lifetime. How much more do you expect from a player drafted #29 when players drafted #1 are often underwhelming?

Keldon indeed has outperformed pick #29… although he’s only the 3rd best Spurs #29 pick in the 4 years between 2016-19 :)

[DAF86]

Why are some people so desperate?

Spurs are going to get there(and it's going to be soon - a couple of years) to build a championship team with a long window for success.
Don't trade #2 or #14 or any other future draft picks. Stay on the course they initially wanted to go on, build through the draft.

Provided that we don't give up more than what is being rumoured, this Durant trade is anything but desperate. It is a perfectly calculated low risk/high reward move.

If it hits, you get a championship. If it goes reasonably normal, you get playoffs experience. If it doesn't work out at all, KD gets off the books just in time to pay our young studs (Wemby, Castle, Harper). It's literally a "can't lose" move, tbh.

[benefactor]

Provided that we don't give up more than what is being rumoured, this Durant trade is anything but desperate. It is a perfectly calculated low risk/high reward move.

If it hits, you get a championship. If it goes reasonably normal, you get playoffs experience. If it doesn't work out at all, KD gets off the books just in time to pay our young studs (Wemby, Castle, Harper). It's literally a "can't lose" move, tbh.
Rascal only has two basketball takes when it comes to team building... keep all of your draft picks and draft springy black man.

[benefactor]

Provided that we don't give up more than what is being rumoured, this Durant trade is anything but desperate. It is a perfectly calculated low risk/high reward move.

If it hits, you get a championship. If it goes reasonably normal, you get playoffs experience. If it doesn't work out at all, KD gets off the books just in time to pay our young studs (Wemby, Castle, Harper). It's literally a "can't lose" move, tbh.
Rascal only has two basketball takes when it comes to team building... keep all of your draft picks and draft springy black man.