Roster Assesment and Goals as of 1/25/24

[couchman]

We've seen enough of "what we have" and I think it is reasonable to start drawing some conclusions about our current roster and where we'd like to go.
The goal is to build a true title contender around Wemby.
For the purposes of this discussion, let's focus on the next two years, so roster construction for the 24-25 and 25-26 seasons.
What do you think about what he have now?
How would you go about building this roster for 24-25 and 25-26?

THE CURRENT ROSTER/aka WHAT WE HAVE

Guys We Keep:

Wemby - everyone else is expendable if they can be moved to improve the roster


NBA level rotation players under long term deals who have trade value right now:

Devin -
Keldon -


Expiring Deals we might trade this season:

McBuckets
Osman


Developmental Prospects under contract through the time line with little to no trade value:

Sochan -
Malaki -
Blake Wesley -
Champagnie -
Bassey -
Cissoko -


Other Developmental Prospects not under long term contract

Barlow -


Backup level players who we probably keep until their contracts expire:

Tre Jones -
Zach Collins - our only bad contract at the moment


Guys we cut or allow contracts to expire:

everyone else



Looking at the list above it is no wonder we suck!
Looking ahead to the next two seasons here are my areas of focus for building the roster:

Keep Wemby Happy Healthy and Developing
Find a true running mate for Wemby
Develop the best of our young talents



To keep Wemby happy he has to buy into whatever the Front Office plan is for building around him.
If he isn't convinced that it is working he will have the leverage to force some things internally and hopefully he does that.
Worst case scenario he forces something externally. I don't think that will happen but we have to be careful.

We desperately need a true running mate for Wemby and they aren't on the roster yet.
That running mate archetype is either a play making guard who can create off the dribble and PnR, or a high volume scoring wing who can feast when Wemby draws defensive attention or a combo of those traits.
We are unlikely to get them via FA, so draft or trade is how that happens.
Siakam is the only FA I think we could target and maybe have a shot with.
Trae might become available and he is rightfully a polarizing player but he fits the archetype.

We have too many developmental prospects on the team to develop them all properly.
And we're about to pick up more in the draft.
We probably need to keep swinging in the draft to find Wemby's running mate.
But I think we need to focus on just a few prospects that we really like and put some veteran leadership around them.
I also think a big roster turnover could help re-set the losing culture.
Veterans can help develop these guys better by showing the right way to play and perhaps showing how to win games on occasion.
There are very few of those guys on the roster right now.
Solid veterans could be found in FA if we're willing to spend a little.
We also could trade some of our less valuable draft capital to help bring in some guys.
As FA I'd love to see guys like Valenciunas, Conley, Tyus Jones, Buddy Hield, Kyle Anderson, Grayson Allen, Plumlee, and maybe Jalen Smith get a good strong look. Not sure if we'd have a shot at him, but D'lo Russell would be a solid veteran PG to run things until our young talent matures.

I think we tank one more year during 24-25, whether we want to or not. We just won't be good enough to really win.
I also think we need to be competing for the play-in or better by 25-26 to keep Wemby onboard with the plan.

[Pauleta14]

1st issue is that PATFO probably disagree with your postulate...

Hearing Pop yesterday talking about OKC leads me to think his plan might be longer and more painful than we all expect.

[couchman]

I have to wonder if they have buy-in from Wemby on that.
Keeping him happy enough to sign his second contract is the #1 priority

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Guys We Keep:
Wemby - Of course. To address one of your points below though, Wemby has spoken about wanting to win and win immediately so I don't see him being a patient guy suffering through multiple frustrating mid seasons. You can already see his frustration growing halfway into the season during his post-game pressers.


NBA level rotation players under long term deals who have trade value right now:
Devin -
Keldon -

Devin's and Keldon's offense is very frustrating. They both make up their mind they are shooting at half court often times as they literally never look elsewhere. These 2 to me are the biggest disappointments on the team and carry the biggest responsibility for why we are not closer to say an OKC. Keldon's help defense is often times literally useless.


Expiring Deals we might trade this season:
McBuckets
Osman

Trade them if you must but these are the kind of role-playing vets that actually win championships with the right kind of team.


Developmental Prospects under contract through the time line with little to no trade value:
Sochan -
Malaki -
Blake Wesley -
Champagnie -
Bassey -
Cissoko -

I keep Sochan, Bassey, Cissoko, Wesley all day. Peace out to the others.

I really like Bassey and I think Sochan is getting better almost by the game. I really like his newfound aggression offensively and his passing has improved a bunch. Wesley could grow into a surprise. And Cissoko is just an unknown.

Other Developmental Prospects not under long term contract
Barlow -

Barlow is in the same place as the 4 above in my book.

Backup level players who we probably keep until their contracts expire:
Tre Jones -
Zach Collins - our only bad contract at the moment

Agree on both points, though Tre could conceivably be the back up on a good team. If Wesley can add a consistent shot, so could he (to carry over from above).


Guys we cut or allow contracts to expire:
everyone else

Except for as noted above, yes.

Looking at the list above it is no wonder we suck!
Looking ahead to the next two seasons here are my areas of focus for building the roster:
Keep Wemby Happy Healthy and Developing
Find a true running mate for Wemby
Develop the best of our young talents

We might have something with a few guys on our roster but otherwise PATFO has done a woeful job developing them.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't see a way how the team can improve by a lot next season without a trade. Adding those vets won't do much, probably make us a 30 win team but that's about it.

[itzsoweezee]

Spurs are going to have to trade away those sweet draft picks or get ready to be shitty for at least two more years due to all the poor decisions made by the front office

[scott]

If Vassell and Keldon have positive trade value, then I think you look to capitalize on that (Keldon more so than Vassell, but the same theory applies) for the reasons offset formation lists. I don't see a path for these two to go from focal points on a losing team to role players on a winning team unless they are traded and forced into that situation. Both these guys are covered in the stink of losing, and neither are good enough to lift us out of that.

I'd rather resign Doug and Cedi to vet min deals and trade away Dev and Keldon than get a couple of SRPs (of which we have plenty) for them and continue to build around those two.

Sounds like Pop wants to go with the long rebuild, which will involve more tanking next year and maybe the year after that, wasting good years of Wemby's career. We've discussed ad nauseum why that is a mistake, but we aren't in charge. But if I were GM, I'd be trying to perform a MAJOR overhaul of the roster this summer, not just minor tweaks as we continue to develop the players we have and add a couple more lotto picks. We need to add those lotto picks, surround them with capable vets, and jettison the riff raff.

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Spurs are going to have to trade away those sweet draft picks or get ready to be shitty for at least two more years due to all the poor decisions made by the front office

You get what you can now from Keldon -- hes dynamic offensively but he is undoubtedly a no defense-playing, ball hog.

Probably got to shop Vassell too. He unfortunately has probably hit his career ceiling offensively, is a chucker that doesn't understand passing to a 7'4" beast, and his defensive effort is intermittent at best.

I'd hate to lose those Atlanta picks because they're gold.

[baseline bum]

You get what you can now from Keldon -- hes dynamic offensively but he is undoubtedly a no defense-playing, ball hog.

Probably got to shop Vassell too. He unfortunately has probably hit his career ceiling offensively, is a chucker that doesn't understand passing to a 7'4" beast, and his defensive effort is intermittent at best.

I'd hate to lose those Atlanta picks because they're gold.

Can't believe how quickly Vassell's defense has fallen off a cliff. His DFG went from top 40% to bottom 20% of the league in a few weeks and he's below fucking Collins now.

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I don't see a way how the team can improve by a lot next season without a trade. Adding those vets won't do much, probably make us a 30 win team but that's about it.

We can't unless we get a steal in the draft that really meshes with and improves Wemby.

[MultiTroll]

Can't believe how quickly Vassell's defense has fallen off a cliff. His DFG went from top 40% to bottom 20% of the league in a few weeks and he's below fucking Collins now.
I zero'd in on him on a rebound situation in a close game last week.
Lazy MeBaller made zero attempt to block out. Could have easily.

It was the play where they got like 3 offensive rebounds as the Spurs looked spineless.

timvp regularly gives him 'but not much / nothing on the defensive side of the ball'

I'm sick of his attitude. His spirit and effort are pathetic. Yet another from the Gen of Kobme AAU ball.

[jermaine]

Devin has to go. I looove him but he's no #2 guy. Wemby goes to the bench, the lead balloons. Devin is trash

[LeBowen]

Wemby is obviously the entire franchise right now.

Vassell has been inconsistent, maybe not good enough as the clear second option on a good roster, but I wouldn't trade him unless it's the right deal.

Sochan goes from looking like he's finally putting it together to trainwreck and back in most games. Still, I'd give him one more season.

Keldon is a good trade bait because there are surely teams out there that think he's a solid player, which he's not.

Wesley has been showing great defensive potential, but is nowhere near ready on offense and has no trade value.

Tre is a solid backup PG for now.

Others need to go asap. Barlow and Champagnie can stay as third stringers, maybe Cissoko develops in Austin, but others simply can't be on the roster for the next season.

[poopbox]

I don't see a way how the team can improve by a lot next season without a trade. Adding those vets won't do much, probably make us a 30 win team but that's about it.

That would double our win total tbh

[BackHome]

Just curious who are you trading Keldon and Vassell for I mean don’t be lazy if you say trade them then let us know who and what are you trading for. I am all for getting better and it is a serious question what players are you targeting and what do you want in return?

As far as future I personally don’t see you any free agent we can get this summer that is going to make that much of a difference. And by that I am mean I am looking at getting a legit starter next to Wemby I just don’t see us getting that player through a trade this year.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the pg position is still up for grabs, tre should be going enrique every position, his been put out there to feed tothe wolves what he got or else its either backup pg or gleague for him...too bad team has not vet pg to show him...

[scott]

Just curious who are you trading Keldon and Vassell for I mean don’t be lazy if you say trade them then let us know who and what are you trading for. I am all for getting better and it is a serious question what players are you targeting and what do you want in return?

As far as future I personally don’t see you any free agent we can get this summer that is going to make that much of a difference. And by that I am mean I am looking at getting a legit starter next to Wemby I just don’t see us getting that player through a trade this year.

None of us work in an NBA front office, so it's kind of hard to say who might even be available. But I think we all agree that when we say we think we should trade Keldon or Vassell we should get good value in return, not simply looking to dump them.

Personally, I think either or both would be part of a package, along with draft capital, to land a big fish. For example, either of them would be a decent piece to send back to Atlanta in a hypothetical Trae Young deal. They are both proven tank commanders.

[spurraider21]

unless theres some incredible opportunity, i dont think you move any of vassell, tre, keldon, sochan. yes, some of these guys we'd like to upgrade upon at some point... but right now we have a roster full of guys that are not nba caliber players right now. now is the time to replace them with other candidates/prospects, and we cant be scared to churn. cant be scared to move off branham because he might get better one day. or bassey. or barlow. we need to fill out a roster right now. and its not just starters around wemby. we've seen the defense fall apart when wemby is off the floor. he needs a backup. whether thats bassey, barlow, or sarr next year, its a necessary position.

frankly i dont know what good options there will be in free agency 2024. really just gotta cross our fingers that the raptors pick conveys so we can add two young prospects instead of just one

[baseline bum]

unless theres some incredible opportunity, i dont think you move any of vassell, tre, keldon, sochan. yes, some of these guys we'd like to upgrade upon at some point... but right now we have a roster full of guys that are not nba caliber players right now. now is the time to replace them with other candidates/prospects, and we cant be scared to churn. cant be scared to move off branham because he might get better one day. or bassey. or barlow. we need to fill out a roster right now. and its not just starters around wemby. we've seen the defense fall apart when wemby is off the floor. he needs a backup. whether thats bassey, barlow, or sarr next year, its a necessary position.


If the Spurs can use Johnson to get Murray back he can go. Barlow is good enough to keep around another year. I'd buy Collins out before cutting Barlow.



frankly i dont know what good options there will be in free agency 2024.


Malik Monk and Miles Bridges? Free agency got fucked as soon as Quickley and Anunoby came off the market.

[spurraider21]

If the Spurs can use Johnson to get Murray back he can go. Barlow is good enough to keep around another year. I'd buy Collins out before cutting Barlow.



Malik Monk and Miles Bridges? Free agency got fucked as soon as Quickley and Anunoby came off the market.
I like Monk, but a lot of eggs to put in one basket. he'll have suitors. though if the spurs tell him he gets the keys to run the backcourt and he wants to be part of the wemby show, that could intrigue him from a basketball point of view

bridges is playing well but i dont see it happening because of the off-court stuff

[spurraider21]

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[thiste]

We should absolutely not be this bad this season. I used to look down on dysfunctional franchises who just couldn't seem to figure things out and most of all pick the right players, but that's where we're at right now. Where did we go wrong? Is it just a function of letting a few key people go? (Presti? Engelland?)

How do we have ONE decent PG? Who does that? Last night he's out, we're back to being a mess. It's a wonder how Wemby produces as much with so little. The opponent focuses solely on him and on most nights, that's enough. Any point he scores is 3x as hard as Chet's.
OKC shot 45% from three, we shot 28%. This is so crucial in today's NBA, you can't space the floor without it. And then you can't win a f-king game.

And what about that BS minutes restriction? Sure, for one or two weeks I guess. How long has it been? WTF is that? Is it that they heard so much about Victor being injury prone as a function of his size that they're pulling this kind of BS? He's been fine.
Are they just playing games with him so he Gets Over Himself™ ? This is ridiculous. How long is that going to last?

He clearly deserves ROTY but it looks like the team is doing everything in their power to prevent him from getting it. And that's the only positive thing we could reasonably expect from this season. Is it just to piss him off? You're getting the next absolute hyperstar of the game and you're acting like that? LeBron played 40 minutes per game his rookie year.

[baseline bum]

We should absolutely not be this bad this season. I used to look down on dysfunctional franchises who just couldn't seem to figure things out and most of all pick the right players, but that's where we're at right now. Where did we go wrong? Is it just a function of letting a few key people go? (Presti? Engelland?)

How do we have ONE decent PG? Who does that? Last night he's out, we're back to being a mess. It's a wonder how Wemby produces as much with so little. The opponent focuses solely on him and on most nights, that's enough. Any point he scores is 3x as hard as Chet's.
OKC shot 45% from three, we shot 28%. This is so crucial in today's NBA, you can't space the floor without it. And then you can't win a f-king game.

And what about that BS minutes restriction? Sure, for one or two weeks I guess. How long has it been? WTF is that? Is it that they heard so much about Victor being injury prone as a function of his size that they're pulling this kind of BS? He's been fine.
Are they just playing games with him so he Gets Over Himself™ ? This is ridiculous. How long is that going to last?

He clearly deserves ROTY but it looks like the team is doing everything in their power to prevent him from getting it. And that's the only positive thing we could reasonably expect from this season. Is it just to piss him off? You're getting the next absolute hyperstar of the game and you're acting like that? LeBron played 40 minutes per game his rookie year.

I hated the 24 minute restriction but 30 minutes for a rookie is fine. No one plays 40 minutes a night anymore as everyone figured out it doesn't make sense to run your guys into the ground. Embiid and Jokic have never played 35 minutes a night for a season in their careers. Curry only played 35+ minutes a night for three seasons, with the last one ten years ago. Tatum plays 36 a game. Even Doncic plays 37 a night and Maxey leads the league at 37.7 MPG. I don't expect Victor at 20 years old to be playing 35 minutes a night as a rookie having to carry a crap roster entirely on his back. Way too much of a load for a guy just getting used to the NBA. In 2-3 years maybe you play him 35 minutes a night in the season and 38-40 in the playoffs as he's hitting his physical prime but only way I'd even consider putting him at 35 minutes next season is if the Spurs make a deal for someone like Trae Young who could lighten the load significantly and keep Victor out of having to battle 2-3 defenders every time he touches the ball inside the three point line.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This years team is worse than the winless for Wemby tank last year. Why? Because popazit and Brian wrong suck ass at player evaluation. And will continue to do so. If you want Wemby to stick around for a Duncanesque career then the old man by the sea and his diversity hire need to go.

Otherwise we get watch Wemby play his prime in NY or LA.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Spurs are going to have to trade away those sweet draft picks or get ready to be shitty for at least two more years due to all the poor decisions made by the front office

In which wemby will leave once his rookie contract ends

[Teamduncan21]

If Vassell and Keldon have positive trade value, then I think you look to capitalize on that (Keldon more so than Vassell, but the same theory applies) for the reasons offset formation lists. I don't see a path for these two to go from focal points on a losing team to role players on a winning team unless they are traded and forced into that situation. Both these guys are covered in the stink of losing, and neither are good enough to lift us out of that.

I'd rather resign Doug and Cedi to vet min deals and trade away Dev and Keldon than get a couple of SRPs (of which we have plenty) for them and continue to build around those two.

Sounds like Pop wants to go with the long rebuild, which will involve more tanking next year and maybe the year after that, wasting good years of Wemby's career. We've discussed ad nauseum why that is a mistake, but we aren't in charge. But if I were GM, I'd be trying to perform a MAJOR overhaul of the roster this summer, not just minor tweaks as we continue to develop the players we have and add a couple more lotto picks. We need to add those lotto picks, surround them with capable vets, and jettison the riff raff.


Not saying you're wrong but major overhaul is easier said than done.
Some fa classes are not strong. We can trade picks for players but we won't get a doncic from it unless he wants out.

So there's a risk we end up like rockets. Where they aggressively went for fvv and some others then end up being mediocre.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't get the Vassell hate, he's still on his rookie contract figuring out how to get to his spots and play with Wemby. He can be a decent 3rd option and should still improve. I'm just disappointed at his defense. Everybody else can go. Sochan has potential, Tre Jones is a decent back up, Keldon is alright as a bench piece, Bassey and Champagnie are 3rd stringers on good contracts. They should also keep Barlow, but yes everybody else needs to gtfoh.

[r0drig0lac]

Not saying you're wrong but major overhaul is easier said than done.
Some fa classes are not strong. We can trade picks for players but we won't get a doncic from it unless he wants out.

So there's a risk we end up like rockets. Where they aggressively went for fvv and some others then end up being mediocre.

1- Sengun is not Wemby

2- FVV was a bad decision, their youngsters may not be as talented as expected.

[tbdog]

Other than the typical, can they shoot and defend, I would put passes around Wemby. I would ask my scouts if the player is a good passer for his position.

On the team thus far, only Jones, Collins, and Sochan are or could be plus passes for their position. Vassell isn't. Johnson at times is but mostly isn't. Brehnam and Wesley are unlikely at this stage. Barlow could be. Bassey no. Champagnie no. Cissiko, could be.

Wemby will be such a nightmare when his team mates can create a advantage then make the right pass. He is a lob threat at all times. One of the most under appreciate skills the warriors had. So many great passes on that team.

[KobesAchilles]

Keepers:
Wemby- duh
Tre- fantastic player for our roster. He gets a serviceable 3 pointer and he will be the best back up in the league
Sochan: He’s too young to be going anywhere. But please put him in a situation to succeed. No more of this experiment bullshit where people jump on me for the obvious.
“Well Pop knows more about basketball than you.”
”Pop thinks he can be a point guard so might as well try it.”
”Tall ball”
“We aren’t trying to win games anyways so what’s wrong with the experiment?”
”what do you know about player development. Are you a coach on the team?”
My personal favorite: “give him 3 years to be a point guard. You’re too short sighted.”

And plenty of other dumb shit I had to suffer through during the first half of the season. Give him very specific goals for him to work on during the offseason. Spot up 3s and defensive rotations. That should be his focus. With some dribbling drills in there too.

Vassell or KJ. We need to keep one of these players. They both bring offense and no defense. They both have very real weaknesses as offensive players. Devin refuses to pass and will jack up horrible shots, and KJ thinks it’s ok that his only move is to barrel into people. They’re both completely different human beings and bring a different attitude to the team. Yet they are both bench players ideally. KJ is a bench player for life. He’s played long enough and that’s his role. Vassell you hope can become a starter but he might just be like KJ. We don’t know. But we don’t need TWO bench players being paid twenty something million a year.

Trade: Osman and Doug. Get those SRPs baby.
Cut: Collins. He is on a horrible contract. We are paying a back up center 15 million a year going forward. Yuck. That’s like 800% more than the market dictates.
Branham needs to go. We have so many draft picks and it’s a cut throat business. He’s out
And pretty much the rest of our roster tbh. We don’t need all this youth on our team. Cut them for professional basketball players please

Develop: Wesley. He can be intriguing going forward. I don’t really believe in him but I’ve been wrong before and he’s a player where if I am wrong then he’s nice to have on our team

[exstatic]

Not saying you're wrong but major overhaul is easier said than done.
Some fa classes are not strong. We can trade picks for players but we won't get a doncic from it unless he wants out.

So there's a risk we end up like rockets. Where they aggressively went for fvv and some others then end up being mediocre.

It’s hilarious that they aren’t even a play in team, and don’t look to be one. talk about bad timing. Their pick this year is a last chance 1-4 protected FRP to OKC. WHY would you not tank one more year and keep that pick? I’m sure they thought they were being cute by supposedly loading up to make the pick bad, but it didn’t quite work out that way.

[exstatic]

Other than the typical, can they shoot and defend, I would put passes around Wemby. I would ask my scouts if the player is a good passer for his position.

On the team thus far, only Jones, Collins, and Sochan are or could be plus passes for their position. Vassell isn't. Johnson at times is but mostly isn't. Brehnam and Wesley are unlikely at this stage. Barlow could be. Bassey no. Champagnie no. Cissiko, could be.

Wemby will be such a nightmare when his team mates can create a advantage then make the right pass. He is a lob threat at all times. One of the most under appreciate skills the warriors had. So many great passes on that team.

One of the reasons I’m anti Ja’Kobe.

[CGD]

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Yuck

[CGD]

^ this actually explains a lot. Even with a crappy D, the 3 point shot these days probably allows meh teams to eke out bullshit wins (see Indiana) that they wouldn’t have had in a different era. Spurs don’t even have the tools to pull out those BS wins that would have them closer to 13 wins now. Not that is matters.

[CorrectCrusader]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCjnZEEkVW0

Seans thoughts about the year

[venitian navigator]

If things go on this way we for should have at least a top 5 pick this year. Possibly o other top 10. Then 2 high second round picks. Imho it all depends how our FO values next draft and our position after the lottery. In theory, 2 top 20mdrsfy picks should be considered, if not traded for veterans, a good starting point for a ok c like model... We have our number one and Vassell could be or be traded for another starting five player, while KJ as a sixth man is not an horrible option... Let's consider that not only this year was supposed to be a lottery year (most projections has our team as the worst) but that has been painfully obvious from the beginning that the focus has been on finding out the players in our roster capable to be part of next year's roster... I don't see a resin (except for the obvious anger by our best man Wemby) to be disappointed... Season is going exactly as planned. On any case with no high draft pick you have no chance to draft very good players... Let's just hope to find out the right players in next draft... Because it's clear we have no interest in paying an aged star that could probably take more problems than benefits or players very good but with clear weaknesses (except if the price is extremely convenient).

[Russo21]

Honestly everyone except for Victor have to be available this off-season. Anyone claiming otherwise is an idiot. Sochan is a talentless fool, I find him very unlikeable as a player and person, as with Keldon, Vassell is a one trick pony that is not very good at and needs to get a haircut. Sochan and Vassell have to be the 2 worst looking goons in the league. SA is full of 'look at me I'm a millionaire getting payed to play basketball people' instead of actual NBA quality professionals. Victor Wembanyama is the only player who should be guaranteed anything beyond this season. Spurs need to start again. Starting with a lottery pick this year. Everyone else needs to be moves on from. Including the most overrated coach in the history of professional sports

[exstatic]

Honestly everyone except for Victor have to be available this off-season. Anyone claiming otherwise is an idiot. Sochan is a talentless fool, I find him very unlikeable as a player and person, as with Keldon, Vassell is a one trick pony that is not very good at and needs to get a haircut. Sochan and Vassell have to be the 2 worst looking goons in the league. SA is full of 'look at me I'm a millionaire getting payed to play basketball people' instead of actual NBA quality professionals. Victor Wembanyama is the only player who should be guaranteed anything beyond this season. Spurs need to start again. Starting with a lottery pick this year. Everyone else needs to be moves on from. Including the most overrated coach in the history of professional sports

One would think you’re a boomer with this ridiculous screed…

[BacktoBasics]

One would think you’re a boomer with this ridiculous screed…

Everyone knows flashy hair impacts fg %

[Russo21]

One would think you’re a boomer with this ridiculous screed…

It's all true. Ok in your humble opinion tell me who except from Victor should we keep on and why?

[exstatic]

Everyone knows flashy hair impacts fg %

Yeah, that Ja Morant can’t do anything on the court…

[exstatic]

It's all true. Ok in your humble opinion tell me who except from Victor should we keep on and why?

The reasons why shouldn’t involve their looks or hairstyles.

[BacktoBasics]

It's all true. Ok in your humble opinion tell me who except from Victor should we keep on and why?

I don’t think you move Vassell unless you’re returning a clear all star and not attaching additional starting rotation players. He’s a piece worth keeping around.

[get_mills_out]

Keep Into Next Year:
Wemby
Jones - low/mid tier starting PG, cheap, expiring deal next year. Easy to throw into backup role if someone better comes along
Sochan - cheap, intriguing intangibles, fits next to VW even if not at PG. Lots of weirdness with the PG thing but still reminiscent to me of a young Andrei Kirilenko
Cissoko - costs almost nothing to keep and develop in Austin




Deals we should be shopping this and next week:
Devin - Neat young piece on an OK deal that could help a team with established stars, but at this point not likely to become a #2 on a team that wants to win playoff games. Poor man's Kris Middleton is not the robin to Vic's batman
Keldon - Pop can say Manu all he wants but he's clearly just a one note player on offense and horrible defender. You don't move to the bench "like Manu did" on a 15 win team, sorry. Package with Vassell
Collins - Starting C money to a guy who is getting smoked in a backup role. Liked the idea but Vic's perimeter game has yet to translate. Likely salary filler or would need to pay someone to take. Blows my mind that he's shooting 30% from three. Feels more like 10%




People who we want to believe will be traded for 1st rd picks but will likely expire or be bought out:
McBuckets
Osman




Dime a dozen players to hold on to if we can't fill out the roster:
Malaki
Blake Wesley
Champagnie
Barlow


Goodbye
Bassey
Mamu
Graham

[Death In June]

How do people feel about Tobias Harris as a FA target and Risacher / Topic as your 2024 draftees. Do you feel better about the roster going into next season? That might get you in the play in with capital to trade for a FA before 25 draft or get another difference maker if Atlanta sucks enough.

[exstatic]

How do people feel about Tobias Harris as a FA target and Risacher / Topic as your 2024 draftees. Do you feel better about the roster going into next season? That might get you in the play in with capital to trade for a FA before 25 draft or get another difference maker if Atlanta sucks enough.

I like Tobias at the right price. He’s making $37M this year, but would have to play for a fraction of that at age 31. If he would sign something like McDermott did,I’d be down. Philly will probably just overpay and keep him, though. They already did once. This could be a place to spend a CHA pick,plus some seconds, or a CHI pick if Philly isn’t wanting to pay him and also doesn’t want to see him walk.

[SOMA Spur]

I think the main assessment for the team so far this season is that Wemby is clearly a Center, and ready to dominate the position now. We don’t have to putz around with him at the 4 and wait 2 or 3 years for his body to fully develop to man the 5. This realization could move up our timeline a year or 18 months, imo.

I see 3 other keepers - Vassell, Sochan, and Tre at the backup pg. So we need like 3-4 quality pieces to construct a playoff team. Let’s continue the tank this season and get one of those pieces in the draft (Risacher or Williams). Any FA’s that look like a fit this summer (would Demar come back in a 6th man role?). And currently all signs are pointing at Trae Young as that attainable Allstar we could grab at next season’s trade deadline. A year from now we could roll out a Wemby/Sochan/ Risacher/Vassell/Young starting lineup with Jones/Derozan/Vets/picks rounding out the bench. I really like that team, don’t love it, but I could see it going deep in the playoffs in a couple of years.

[Russo21]

I don’t think you move Vassell unless you’re returning a clear all star and not attaching additional starting rotation players. He’s a piece worth keeping around.

No sane team will do that

[Russo21]

The reasons why shouldn’t involve their looks or hairstyles.

Not just their looks but their whole personalities scream 'hey look at me I'm a sports player, specifically basketball player, and I'm on TV tonight hi mom, hi i dad it's me your son. And yes everyone except for Victor should be available. Explain why not

[scott]

How do people feel about Tobias Harris as a FA target and Risacher / Topic as your 2024 draftees. Do you feel better about the roster going into next season? That might get you in the play in with capital to trade for a FA before 25 draft or get another difference maker if Atlanta sucks enough.

I think this is a pretty decent approach. Someone like Harris or Gordon Hayward.

I still think if you execute that FA signing and draft exactly like you spell out, you still have two more signings/trades you need to make in order to jump into the play-in (or above). Still need a starting PG (Topic is going to take multiple years to develop) and a backup SG. Branham/Champagnie isn't going to cut it.

[SOMA Spur]

I think this is a pretty decent approach. Someone like Harris or Gordon Hayward.

I still think if you execute that FA signing and draft exactly like you spell out, you still have two more signings/trades you need to make in order to jump into the play-in (or above). Still need a starting PG (Topic is going to take multiple years to develop) and a backup SG. Branham/Champagnie isn't going to cut it.

Whats our cap space looking like this summer? Spotrac has 35 mil (if I'm reading that correct). Is that about right? (with guys like Harris, Hayward, Derozan, Fathead, as realistic options)

[z0sa]

It’d be nice if goals like getting a perimeter wing were actually declared/expected. They aren’t though, unfortunately.

Ive come to realize that Pop wants to retire a champion - in 5 years. He has given himself carte blanche to do anything he wishes as long as he reasonably believes in his heart of hearts the Spurs/Wemby will be contenders in his final year.

[RC_Drunkford]

It’d be nice if goals like getting a perimeter wing were actually declared/expected. They aren’t though, unfortunately.

Ive come to realize that Pop wants to retire a champion - in 5 years. He has given himself carte blanche to do anything he wishes as long as he reasonably believes in his heart of hearts the Spurs/Wemby will be contenders in his final year.

I think if he wins he won't retire. He'll probably gonna think he can overtake Phil Jackson and hold the franchise hostage for another 5-10 years. The man has the biggest ego in sports.

[SPURt]

If I was going to upgrade any positions it’d be trade picks/splurge on an all star level wing and upgrade the backup center position. I’m a fan of Tre and Sochan. I don’t love Vassell but he may look way better as the third option. KJ is slumping bad right now, hopefully he snap out of it.

Next year would be;
Tre
Vassell
<Major Upgrade>
Sochan
Wemby

Bench:
KJ
<upgrade over Collins>
everyone else