Biden will win the election in 2024

[Millennial_Messiah]

Biden's going to win the electoral college by winning PA and squeaking out AZ, NV, and WI, though losing GA and MI..., the Senate will finish 50-50 as Tester and Brown and the other swing state Dems hold, and the Democrats will flip the House and have a narrow trifecta.

Discuss.

[HemisfairArena]

Remember when you said DeSantis would take out Trump for the republican nominee this year?,,,,,,remember when I said youre stupid for thinking that and Trump would crush him and everyone else?,,,,,now you think Biden will beat Trump?,,,,,:lmao,,,,are you ever right, MM? Are you bitter that your boy DeSantis lost?,,,,,

[benefactor]

Of course he will. Trump is his own worst enemy. That's well known

[HemisfairArena]

Vegas has Trump as the favorite and Vegas isnt in the business of losing money,,,,please,,,,i beg all you posters that think Trump will lose,,,,,bet against him,,,,I just wanna laugh when you lose all your money,,,

[Ef-man]

Let Yam Tits bury himself, just like he got killed in court for over $83M.

[Ef-man]

Yam Tits hinted that his 2024 running mate could be Tim Scott.

Magas are spinning in their graves or hurting badly from indigestion. :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yam Tits hinted that his 2024 running mate could be Tim Scott.

Magas are spinning in their graves or hurting badly from indigestion. :lol
Establishmentarian ticket 100%. Though, Scott would be a much better choice objectively than some nobody like Kristi Noem or Elise Stefanik who provide zero electoral value. Though, Scott is another bland evangelical... he's basically a black Mike Pence. Trump could do worse than Scott. He's not going to pick Haley or any of the other never-trumpers. If he has to pick a female, it's Katie Britt or Nancy Mace, the latter of which he's touted and has been voting his way lately. A lot of people are saying if he picks a black VP it should be Ben Carson from Michigan, but that would be an old as hell ticket. I don't think it would be a terrible choice but it would be too outsider heavy as Carson hasn't held higher office than HUD secretary in a presidential cabinet. IMO Lee Zeldin would be a no brainer pick even though it won't flip NY it sure as hell would get a lot of moderates on board and prove to a lot of independents that Trump truly isn't some anti-choice Christian nationalist zealot that the QAnon'ers paint him out to be. Plus if Zeldin is on the ticket you probably save most of the incumbent House seats in NY in what is likely to be a razor thin House majority in either direction, that could very well save the House for the GOP considering you've already likely lost NY-03, lost 2 House seats down south in Louisiana and Alabama, and gained 3 in North Carolina, possibly 4 depending on how that northeastern district votes.

[Thread]

Establishmentarian ticket 100%. Though, Scott would be a much better choice objectively than some nobody like Kristi Noem or Elise Stefanik who provide zero electoral value. Though, Scott is another bland evangelical... he's basically a black Mike Pence. Trump could do worse than Scott. He's not going to pick Haley or any of the other never-trumpers. If he has to pick a female, it's Katie Britt or Nancy Mace, the latter of which he's touted and has been voting his way lately. A lot of people are saying if he picks a black VP it should be Ben Carson from Michigan, but that would be an old as hell ticket. I don't think it would be a terrible choice but it would be too outsider heavy as Carson hasn't held higher office than HUD secretary in a presidential cabinet. IMO Lee Zeldin would be a no brainer pick even though it won't flip NY it sure as hell would get a lot of moderates on board and prove to a lot of independents that Trump truly isn't some anti-choice Christian nationalist zealot that the QAnon'ers paint him out to be. Plus if Zeldin is on the ticket you probably save most of the incumbent House seats in NY in what is likely to be a razor thin House majority in either direction, that could very well save the House for the GOP considering you've already likely lost NY-03, lost 2 House seats down south in Louisiana and Alabama, and gained 3 in North Carolina, possibly 4 depending on how that northeastern district votes.

"Matzel, Matzel, good things."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnBh7KBjgwM&t=104s

[Spurs Homer]

Of course he will…this time by at least 25 million votes…

and he STILL wont even know he won or where he is….

he will just mop the fucking floor with the loser
and then go out for an ice cream!



bwahahahahaha!

[Millennial_Messiah]

Of course he will…this time by at least 25 million votes…

and he STILL wont even know he won or where he is….

he will just mop the fucking floor with the loser
and then go out for an ice cream!



bwahahahahaha!

No. Be realistic.

Odds are likely he wins by a slimmer margin than 2020, both in the popular vote and in the electoral college.

[pgardn]

Vegas has Trump as the favorite and Vegas isnt in the business of losing money,,,,please,,,,i beg all you posters that think Trump will lose,,,,,bet against him,,,,I just wanna laugh when you lose all your money,,,

Vegas also had Clinton beating Trump.
And one cannot bet in Vegas on presidential elections. (Yes, you are an idiot)
Vegas uses money coming in to help them make odds. This is what they are experts at.
So please tell the board how manpower Vegas used to come up with their prediction.
And more importantly, how, since its not tied to money, how they made their odds. They spend money on polls... what?

Junk in, junk out...

[Ef-man]

Vegas also had Clinton beating Trump.
And one cannot bet in Vegas on presidential elections. (Yes, you are an idiot)
Vegas uses money coming in to help them make odds. This is what they are experts at.
So please tell the board how manpower Vegas used to come up with their prediction.
And more importantly, how, since its not tied to money, how they made their odds. They spend money on polls... what?

Junk in, junk out...

Can you imagine magas voting for Yam Tits with a black gop vp? :lol

[MultiTroll]

Vegas also had Clinton beating Trump.
And one cannot bet in Vegas on presidential elections. (Yes, you are an idiot)
Vegas uses money coming in to help them make odds. This is what they are experts at.
So please tell the board how manpower Vegas used to come up with their prediction.
And more importantly, how, since its not tied to money, how they made their odds. They spend money on polls... what?

Junk in, junk out...
:rollin,,,,:rollin,,,,:rollin,,,,:rollin,,,,

[Spurs Homer]

No. Be realistic.

Odds are likely he wins by a slimmer margin than 2020, both in the popular vote and in the electoral college.


sure…

7 million votes…BEFORE

failed coup
91 Felonies
2nd impeachment
syphilis hands
certified as a RAPIST- fined 83 million
300 million dollars of fraud to be fined soon


FELONY CONVICTIONS coming soon- before election

id say im being realistic

[Millennial_Messiah]

Vegas also had Clinton beating Trump.
And one cannot bet in Vegas on presidential elections. (Yes, you are an idiot)
Vegas uses money coming in to help them make odds. This is what they are experts at.
So please tell the board how manpower Vegas used to come up with their prediction.
And more importantly, how, since its not tied to money, how they made their odds. They spend money on polls... what?

Junk in, junk out...
Yup. And believe me, I tried. I would go "all in" on Biden for 2024, but that's illegal in Nevada. Betting sites like PredictIt have very small limits that could barely buy you a hamburger. To make such a large six-figure bet on a presidential election you have to convert your cash to bitcoin and then bet it on sites based in the UK.



sure…

7 million votes…BEFORE

failed coup
91 Felonies
2nd impeachment
syphilis hands
certified as a RAPIST- fined 83 million
300 million dollars of fraud to be fined soon


FELONY CONVICTIONS coming soon- before election

id say im being realistic

Unfortunately for Biden, most of those are about equally as sticky as anything brought up in 2008 to Obama... ACORN, Ayers, Wright, maybe born in Kenya, etc.

And it's extremely unlikely he'll get convicted before the election, at least outside of New York, where he'll likely either be exonerated or else take a plea deal for a misdemeanor conviction and no jail time.

The fact is that Biden will narrowly win the election, Trump will either get exonerated or take plea deals on all charges, serve no prison time, he'll fuss about the election again for awhile but not quite like last time, and he'll gradually but surely fade into the shadows of politics and nobody from the Trump family will ever run for POTUS again.

That's it, and that's all.

[Ef-man]

sure…

7 million votes…BEFORE

failed coup
91 Felonies
2nd impeachment
syphilis hands
certified as a RAPIST- fined 83 million
300 million dollars of fraud to be fined soon


FELONY CONVICTIONS coming soon- before election

id say im being realistic

You forgot part of large % of GOP voters prefer Nikki over Yam Tits as shown in primaries.

[MarioSpeedwagon]

Biden's going to win the electoral college by winning PA and squeaking out AZ, NV, and WI, though losing GA and MI..., the Senate will finish 50-50 as Tester and Brown and the other swing state Dems hold, and the Democrats will flip the House and have a narrow trifecta.

Discuss.

The more Trump is in the public eye the better for Biden. Trump getting back on Twitter to remind people how crazy would have been best, but debates and campaign rallies will do the trick hopefully

[Spurs Homer]

You forgot part of large % of GOP voters prefer Nikki over Yam Tits as shown in primaries.

still a lose-lose if haley remains standing because she would pardon the traitor…

[hater]

Holeee sheet

We are so fucked :(

https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1754697216466256218

[Brazil]

Holeee sheet

We are so fucked :(

https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1754697216466256218

dat shit was hilarious tbh... :lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

Holeee sheet

We are so fucked :(

https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1754697216466256218

To be fair to Biden, he corrected himself.

[Blake]

To be fair to Biden, he corrected himself.

Lol as if that matters to trumpers

[hater]

Lol as if that matters to trumpers

So u think Biden is not a senile old fuck?

Really?

Talk about a mindless lemming :lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

So u think Biden is not a senile old fuck?

Really?

Talk about a mindless lemming :lmao

Not mutually exclusive.

Biden being senile and incompetent and Trump being a big time let down like the 2016 Golden State Warriors are not mutually exclusive, either.

[clambake]

For mindless lemmings, I suggest you take a gander of the Ukraine thread lol

[hater]

Not mutually exclusive.

Biden being senile and incompetent and Trump being a big time let down like the 2016 Golden State Warriors are not mutually exclusive, either.

doesnt mattter

I agree Trump is dogshit as president

but lemming democrat losers can't agree that Biden is also dogshit

they refuse to agree to that :lmao

[Will Hunting]

I know polls are schizo but at some point we can't write off poll after poll that has Trump winning the popular vote when no polls in 2016 or 2020 ever did.

IMO Biden is in trouble. A lot can change between now and when voting starts, but every time I hear Biden talk he sounds like he's near death.

[hater]

I know polls are schizo but at some point we can't write off poll after poll that has Trump winning the popular vote when no polls in 2016 or 2020 ever did.

IMO Biden is in trouble. A lot can change between now and when voting starts, but every time I hear Biden talk he sounds like he's near death.

Father Time is a bigger danger to Genocide Joe than Trump or Polls :lmao

[clambake]

For mindless lemmings, I suggest you take a gander of the Ukraine thread lol

Hater lol

[hater]

For mindless lemmings, I suggest you take a gander of the Ukraine thread lol

"Ukraine is winning"



:lmao

Ok lemming :lol

[clambake]

"Ukraine is winning"



:lmao

Ok lemming :lol
lol stupid hater


Let’s go to page 1 of the Ukraine thread. Your epic fail from the beginning is, uh, epic lol

[hater]

lol stupid hater


Let’s go to page 1 of the Ukraine thread. Your epic fail from the beginning is, uh, epic lol

Nothing wrong with page one clown

Next...

[clambake]

Nothing wrong with page one clown

Next...

Ha ha what a joke! Says page one is good!


Amazingly stupid hater. Epic

[hater]

Ha ha what a joke! Says page one is good!


Amazingly stupid hater. Epic

Page 1 is great

So are pages 2,3,4,5,6,7

You're one dumb modafucka :lol

[clambake]

This person is fun

[Millennial_Messiah]

I know polls are schizo but at some point we can't write off poll after poll that has Trump winning the popular vote when no polls in 2016 or 2020 ever did.

IMO Biden is in trouble. A lot can change between now and when voting starts, but every time I hear Biden talk he sounds like he's near death.
Here's an excellent prediction and analysis:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKXdy3TNUH4


He's now finally coming to grips with what I've been saying and posting all over the internet including this board for the last 3 years, that Pennsylvania is going to vote to the left of Michigan for the first time since 1992, and that's probably going to be the new normal. Michigan inherently has more Ohio and Indiana DNA than the other states. Michigan has a lot more room for the GOP to grow in rural and demographically favorable exurban areas outside Detroit, both within Wayne County and also Macomb, plus likely flipping the Youngstown-esque white working class union heavy I-75 belt and Muskegon, whereas the GOP is maxed out in the rural areas of PA and can only expand in the Pittsburgh exurbs, NE PA (but Scranton Joe and Scranton Bob won't lose their home county), and Erie County, while the very high population, multiracial, and highly educated white-collar Philly collar counties especially Bucks County zooming to the left more than offsets all of that.

Especially with Bob Casey on the ticket, I never believed for one minute that Biden was going to lose Pennsylvania, as much as Red Eagle Politics and others have been trying to wishcast that to happen.

I can see why LTE has Trump winning Arizona, and that might end up ultimately deciding the election. Right now I'd say very very narrow tilt blue like 2020 or 2022 governor, but Trump can flip it back. I think lean margin might be too generous to Trump. If Lake loses to Gallego, Trump loses AZ.

If Biden can win PA and Nevada and win very narrowly even by the skin of his loose teeth in Arizona and Wisconsin, he doesn't need either Georgia or Michigan nor the popular vote to win re-election.

Recall that the GOP won the popular vote in the 2022 midterms, yet the Democrats gained a Senate seat and overperformed in the House.

[Will Hunting]

Here's an excellent prediction and analysis:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKXdy3TNUH4


He's now finally coming to grips with what I've been saying and posting all over the internet including this board for the last 3 years, that Pennsylvania is going to vote to the left of Michigan for the first time since 1992, and that's probably going to be the new normal. Michigan inherently has more Ohio and Indiana DNA than the other states. Michigan has a lot more room for the GOP to grow in rural and demographically favorable exurban areas outside Detroit, both within Wayne County and also Macomb, plus likely flipping the Youngstown-esque white working class union heavy I-75 belt and Muskegon, whereas the GOP is maxed out in the rural areas of PA and can only expand in the Pittsburgh exurbs, NE PA (but Scranton Joe and Scranton Bob won't lose their home county), and Erie County, while the very high population, multiracial, and highly educated white-collar Philly collar counties especially Bucks County zooming to the left more than offsets all of that.

Especially with Bob Casey on the ticket, I never believed for one minute that Biden was going to lose Pennsylvania, as much as Red Eagle Politics and others have been trying to wishcast that to happen.

I can see why LTE has Trump winning Arizona, and that might end up ultimately deciding the election. Right now I'd say very very narrow tilt blue like 2020 or 2022 governor, but Trump can flip it back. I think lean margin might be too generous to Trump. If Lake loses to Gallego, Trump loses AZ.

If Biden can win PA and Nevada and win very narrowly even by the skin of his loose teeth in Arizona and Wisconsin, he doesn't need either Georgia or Michigan nor the popular vote to win re-election.

Recall that the GOP won the popular vote in the 2022 midterms, yet the Democrats gained a Senate seat and overperformed in the House.
We've talked about this before but Youtubers like LTE and RedEaglePolitics are in the business of making predictions that generate clicks more than making accurate predictions.

The best pollster from 2022 (Marist) released a poll today that had Biden +2 nationally, while TIPP (the best pollster from 2020) has Trump polling +2 nationally right now. Part of that as I said is Biden losing a lot of margin in safe blue states, but if the popular vote is anywhere near even, Trump win the EC going away.

As for Arizona there are just a lot of things working against Trump now. There several election laws on the books the AZ GOP passed that are now backfiring that I don't feel like getting into detail on but just one example, Biden is going to be listed first on the ballot in Maricopa county this year (he wasn't in 2020) and there are studies that swings as much as 1-2% of the vote.

The Hispanics in Arizona are also more liberal than the Hispanics pretty much everywhere else in the country sans California, while Biden's strongest demographic (the suburban wine mom) is what controls elections in Arizona.

[Millennial_Messiah]

We've talked about this before but Youtubers like LTE and RedEaglePolitics are in the business of making predictions that generate clicks more than making accurate predictions.

The best pollster from 2022 (Marist) released a poll today that had Biden +2 nationally, while TIPP (the best pollster from 2020) has Trump polling +2 nationally right now. Part of that as I said is Biden losing a lot of margin in safe blue states, but if the popular vote is anywhere near even, Trump win the EC going away.

As for Arizona there are just a lot of things working against Trump now. There several election laws on the books the AZ GOP passed that are now backfiring that I don't feel like getting into detail on but just one example, Biden is going to be listed first on the ballot in Maricopa county this year (he wasn't in 2020) and there are studies that swings as much as 1-2% of the vote.

The Hispanics in Arizona are also more liberal than the Hispanics pretty much everywhere else in the country sans California, while Biden's strongest demographic (the suburban wine mom) is what controls elections in Arizona.

This (CA/NY/NJ will zoom red compared to 2020, but they will still be double digit victories for Biden), and the GOP likely to improve over 2020 and 2016 in Texas and in Florida. Before this Abbott/border stuff I'd say Texas was in line to vote about similiar to where it was in 2016, but now I'm thinking Trump + 11, similar to Abbott 2022 margin but with a very slightly different map with a redder RGV and slightly bluer suburbs, but not by much.

I don't think it's out of the question that Biden can lose the popular vote and win the election narrowly at the ECV level, if you consider a R+11 Texas, R+17 Florida, D+14 New York, D+18 California, D+8 New Jersey, D+9 Illinois, D+0.2 Arizona, D+0.1 Wisconsin, R+1.4 Michigan, D+0.8 Pennsylvania, D+1.0 Nevada, R+14 Ohio, R+4ish GA/NC. Wouldn't that be the funniest case scenario? Trump would be SEETHING!!

I agree with you on the Arizona stuff. I foresee both Biden and Gallego winning by a tilt margin. Lake will be seething.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol making November predictions off of February polls.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) what's your current election forecast map though, at least in terms of the swing states? I don't see an easy pathway to 270 for Trump regardless of if he wins the popular vote by winning more voters in big blue states and big red states. I don't see Trump flipping back either Arizona or Pennsylvania, for starters. I don't buy into the hype that Nevada will flip, either. Trump would have to win Georgia and Michigan which IMO he does, but Wisconsin is a pure toss up imo and it's definitely bluer than it should be. The GOP voter base there lacks the spine that it does across the lake in Michigan or Ohio. I've known Wisconsinites pretty well over the years and they generally could care less about politics, except for the liberal base on the college campuses. It's why the left always overperforms there.

[koriwhat]

Father Time is a bigger danger to Genocide Joe than Trump or Polls :lmao

I can't wait until father time choke holds him 6ft under dirt.

[ElNono]

I know polls are schizo but at some point we can't write off poll after poll that has Trump winning the popular vote when no polls in 2016 or 2020 ever did.

IMO Biden is in trouble. A lot can change between now and when voting starts, but every time I hear Biden talk he sounds like he's near death.

Sorry, but Dennison isn't winning the popular vote. I'm also quite honestly surprised how much Old Joe is smoking guys like Phillips.

But popular vote ultimately doesn't matter. I'm on the record my main concern this year is that he makes it alive to the election, which is not a given, tbh.

[RandomGuy]

Biden's going to win the electoral college by winning PA and squeaking out AZ, NV, and WI, though losing GA and MI..., the Senate will finish 50-50 as Tester and Brown and the other swing state Dems hold, and the Democrats will flip the House and have a narrow trifecta.

Discuss.

RNC is spending all its cash on yam tit's legal bills. :lmao

Biden gonna mop the floor with him.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sorry, but Dennison isn't winning the popular vote. I'm also quite honestly surprised how much Old Joe is smoking guys like Phillips.

But popular vote ultimately doesn't matter. I'm on the record my main concern this year is that he makes it alive to the election, which is not a given, tbh.

At that point it becomes a feature though. Old Joe is establishment through and through but the GOP is terrified of Harris pulling another LBJ with his New Society. Tragedy allows for a lot of carpe diem to the successor.

[Millennial_Messiah]

At that point it becomes a feature though. Old Joe is establishment through and through but the GOP is terrified of Harris pulling another LBJ with his New Society. Tragedy allows for a lot of carpe diem to the successor.
*Great Society - not "New Society" - you're getting New Deal and Great Society confused, tbh. No biggie.

Harris is unelectable especially in the rust belt. Biden will win PA imo, not sold on him winning either of the other two, but Harris would get pulverized there. It'd be an embarrassment. NY and NJ would be within <10%. New Hampshire back in play. She may lose New Mexico and/or Minnesota. She'd set the Democrat Party back big time in general; a Harris-Trump presidential top of the ticket race would be cancer down ballot. You'd be looking at a reverse-2008, red-maelstrom bloodbath. Something like a 57-43 GOP Senate majority and 245-190 GOP House majority.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

*Great Society - not "New Society" - you're getting New Deal and Great Society confused, tbh. No biggie.

Harris is unelectable especially in the rust belt. Biden will win PA imo, not sold on him winning either of the other two, but Harris would get pulverized there. It'd be an embarrassment. NY and NJ would be within <10%. New Hampshire back in play. She may lose New Mexico and/or Minnesota. She'd set the Democrat Party back big time in general; a Harris-Trump presidential top of the ticket race would be cancer down ballot. You'd be looking at a reverse-2008, red-maelstrom bloodbath. Something like a 57-43 GOP Senate majority and 245-190 GOP House majority.

I hope you know I do not read your shitty polling spam and guesses masquerading as estimates. Have not for awhile.

You are desperate to win a point of fact. That is the most telling thing of your post.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I hope you know I do not read your shitty polling spam and guesses masquerading as estimates. Have not for awhile.

You are desperate to win a point of fact. That is the most telling thing of your post.

The bottom line is that it is objective reality that Harris is much more Ford than LBJ electorally if Biden croaks (I'd argue she's much worse than Ford, electorally). If Biden doesn't croak, he's the nominee. Plain and simple. He isn't even getting impeached, and if he does narrowly, there's 51 guaranteed nay votes to convict and expel plus at least 3 other very possible nay votes in the Senate. Similar goes for a potential 25th Amendment argument. Sorry to the conspiracy theorists, he isn't getting replaced this year by Gavin or "Big Mike" (a stupid but hilarious alt-right meme of its own).

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The bottom line is that it is objective reality that Harris is much more Ford than LBJ electorally if Biden croaks (I'd argue she's much worse than Ford, electorally). If Biden doesn't croak, he's the nominee. Plain and simple. He isn't even getting impeached, and if he does narrowly, there's 51 guaranteed nay votes to convict and expel plus at least 3 other very possible nay votes in the Senate. Similar goes for a potential 25th Amendment argument. Sorry to the conspiracy theorists, he isn't getting replaced this year by Gavin or "Big Mike" (a stupid but hilarious alt-right meme of its own).

Nice text blob of wishful thinking.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Nice text blob of wishful thinking.

The most intelligent (I'd argue, possibly only intelligent, definitely the most objective) left-leaning poster on this forum is Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) , & I'm sure he'd agree with me on all of those points.

IMO me, Mark Celibate (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49544) / bump, and will hunting/dok, would make a great three way political radio talk podcast... obviously dok would represent the pragmatic left, i'd represent the pragmatic right, and bump would represent the center who has different opinions on different topics and is more libertarian than anything.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The most intelligent (I'd argue, possibly only intelligent) left-leaning poster on this forum is Will Hunting , & I'm sure he'd agree with me on all of those points.

Bandwagoning. Nice.

Really what I get from this wishful thinking narrative that you are worried about Harris so I am satisfied. You will have to excuse me if I do not find any credibility in your wishcasting and pseudo-polling.

[ChumpDumper]

Nothing like the Great Society could happen today. What a weird fear.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bandwagoning. Nice.

Really what I get from this wishful thinking narrative that you are worried about Harris so I am satisfied. You will have to excuse me if I do not find any credibility in your wishcasting and pseudo-polling.
I have zero concern about defeating Harris nor concern about not overperforming expectations down ballot if she's at the top of the Democratic ticket. I'm not bandwagoning, I'm spitting facts. Far left trolls and far right trolls, in general, don't like to hear facts.

Biden is, for better or for worse, the Democrats' best candidate for 2024, plain and simple. It is what it is.

In 2028 they will have Newsom, Whitmer, Shapiro, and others. Long-term, they have a pretty deep bench. Kamala Harris won't be a part of it. If I had to put big money on who will be the first female president today it would be Whitmer and not Harris, not Nikki Haley, not "Big Mike", no one else. Trump is going to win Michigan in 2024, and the Democrats will hear the alarm bells and get smart and nominate Whitmer over Newsom and the rest in 2028, that's my way-too-early-but-not-terrible prediction.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh my money will be on Harris if she and Biden are re-elected. Joe won't last another term.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nothing like the Great Society could happen today. What a weird fear.

Even at the peak of Obama's power he couldn't get a real majority to pass legislation as he wanted. One party or another will get such a majority eventually. Last time was when Clinton partnered with the Gramm and Gingrich for the contract with america. Similar scope but in the other direction.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Even at the peak of Obama's power he couldn't get a real majority to pass legislation as he wanted. One party or another will get such a majority eventually. Last time was when Clinton partnered with the Gramm and Gingrich for the contract with america. Similar scope but in the other direction.
Realistically, the Democrats are NEVER going to get a better majority than what they had from 2009-2010, just based on polarization post-2013 and the way the Senate works. Liberals will complain about the Senate and its inherent GOP bias post polarization, but, you're not going to change or overturn Article I of the Constitution. Just be glad the 17th Amendment exists or else the GOP would have Senate supermajorities at the regular today.

Complain all you want about the 2009-10 supermajority being full of older "DINOs" afraid to quickly pass radical progressive legislation, but you're never going to get those kind of numbers again. In fact, depending on how 2024 goes, the Democrats might never see any Senate majority again, -or- at least for a generation or two. The House will keep going back and forth but it's unlikely that either party will ever get a very large majority in the lower chamber either due to, once again, polarization and double-sided gerrymandering benefiting the incumbent party in more than 90% of congressional seats.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Realistically, the Democrats are NEVER going to get a better majority than what they had from 2009-2010, just based on polarization post-2013 and the way the Senate works. Liberals will complain about the Senate and its inherent GOP bias post polarization, but, you're not going to change or overturn Article I of the Constitution. Just be glad the 17th Amendment exists or else the GOP would have Senate supermajorities at the regular today.

Complain all you want about the 2009-10 supermajority being full of older "DINOs" afraid to quickly pass radical progressive legislation, but you're never going to get those kind of numbers again. In fact, depending on how 2024 goes, the Democrats might never see any Senate majority again, -or- at least for a generation or two. The House will keep going back and forth but it's unlikely that either party will ever get a very large majority in the lower chamber either due to, once again, polarization and double-sided gerrymandering benefiting the incumbent party in more than 90% of congressional seats.

You just cannot help but wishcast. It's like a compulsion. Thanks for the convenient soothsaying.

[Spurminator]

The most intelligent (I'd argue, possibly only intelligent, definitely the most objective) left-leaning poster on this forum is Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) , & I'm sure he'd agree with me on all of those points.

IMO me, Mark Celibate (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49544) / bump, and will hunting/dok, would make a great three way political radio talk podcast... obviously dok would represent the pragmatic left, i'd represent the pragmatic right, and bump would represent the center who has different opinions on different topics and is more libertarian than anything.

lol this is such a cringy, clingy post. I think you need some friends man.

[ChumpDumper]

There's no telling what the electoral landscape will be after Trump dies. There's simply no one to replace him.

[Millennial_Messiah]

lol this is such a cringy, clingy post. I think you need some friends man.

I do..... but they're married. With kids now.

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80 year old is going to beat Trumptards?
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80 year old is going to beat Trumptards?
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I could give two shits...just beat Biden and you're Jake with me.

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He about went ass over the teacup again last night...they shortened the steps up to AF1, but he almost did a header anyway.

Remember this one>>>https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/06/720/405/AP23152689144818.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

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Trump struggles to answer when asked for proof of Biden ‘corruption’ (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-struggles-to-answer-when-asked-for-proof-of-biden-corruption/ar-BB1iEZoz?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=3886d2acd85f4206aab175c4888499c3&ei=28)

And then resorts to lies. So surprising.

Some strategists think the best way to beat Trump is just let him talk. The more he talks, the more his moral bankruptcy and lies come out. His cult will believe anything but for the independent swing voters just let any undecided see and hear what a cretin he is.

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Trump struggles to answer when asked for proof of Biden ‘corruption’ (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-struggles-to-answer-when-asked-for-proof-of-biden-corruption/ar-BB1iEZoz?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=3886d2acd85f4206aab175c4888499c3&ei=28)

And then resorts to lies. So surprising.

Some strategists think the best way to beat Trump is just let him talk. The more he talks, the more his moral bankruptcy and lies come out. His cult will believe anything but for the independent swing voters just let any undecided see and hear what a cretin he is.

That's why your side attempted to cut his head off.

[pgardn]

There's no telling what the electoral landscape will be after Trump dies. There's simply no one to replace him.


Leaders who know how to create cults from the down and out and make them violent are hard to replace.
What we do know is the US does have a significant number of people who blame their own failings on others.
Sometimes the connection is expected, but when people have no one to blame but themselves and instead of crying they try to kill people in government its disturbing.

There are a lot of white folks who have lived on top without thinking about it, and when they actually have to compete, they cant handle it. Thats what I see.

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Leaders who know how to create cults from the down and out and make them violent are hard to replace.
What we do know is the US does have a significant number of people who blame their own failings on others.
Sometimes the connection is expected, but when people have no one to blame but themselves and instead of crying they try to kill people in government its disturbing.

There are a lot of white folks who have lived on top without thinking about it, and when they actually have to compete, they cant handle it. Thats what I see.

I'll boil this down for ya, Chief...Trump made President.

That's it & that's all.