Is "W" The Worst President Ever? Some Historians Think So.

[Mr. Peabody]

Wow!

While I don't agree with this administration on a number of issues, it never occurred to me that this might be the worst administration in history.


IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER? By Richard Reeves
Fri Dec 2, 8:13 PM ET

Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucrr/20051203/cm_ucrr/isgeorgebushtheworstpresidentever;_ylt=AvvZf_xGhIY LTnzyedlE5sas0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-)

PARIS -- President John F. Kennedy was considered a historian because of his book "Profiles in Courage," so he received periodic requests to rate the presidents, those lists that usually begin "1. Lincoln, 2. Washington ..."

But after he actually became president himself, he stopped filling them out.

"No one knows what it's like in this office," he said after being in the job. "Even with poor James Buchanan, you can't understand what he did and why without sitting in his place, looking at the papers that passed on his desk, knowing the people he talked with."

Poor James Buchanan, the 15th president, is generally considered the worst president in history. Ironically, the Pennsylvania Democrat, elected in 1856, was one of the most qualified of the 43 men who have served in the highest office. A lawyer, a self-made man, Buchanan served with some distinction in the House, served as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and secretary of state under President James K. Polk. He had a great deal to do with the United States becoming a continental nation -- "Manifest Destiny," war with Mexico, and all that. He was also ambassador to Great Britain and was offered a seat on the Supreme Court three separate times.

But he was a confused, indecisive president, who may have made the Civil War inevitable by trying to appease or negotiate with the South. His most recent biographer, Jean Clark, writing for the prestigious American Presidents Series, concluded this year that his actions probably constituted treason. It also did not help that his administration was as corrupt as any in history, and he was widely believed to be homosexual.

Whatever his sexual preferences, his real failures were in refusing to move after South Carolina announced secession from the Union and attacked Fort Sumter, and in supporting both the legality of the pro-slavery constitution of Kansas and the Supreme Court ruling in the Dred Scott class declaring that escaped slaves were not people but property.

He was the guy who in 1861 passed on the mess to the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln. Buchanan set the standard, a tough record to beat. But there are serious people who believe that George W. Bush will prove to do that, be worse than Buchanan. I have talked with three significant historians in the past few months who would not say it in public, but who are saying privately that Bush will be remembered as the worst of the presidents.

There are some numbers. The History News Network at George Mason University has just polled historians informally on the Bush record. Four hundred and fifteen, about a third of those contacted, answered -- maybe they were all crazed liberals -- making the project as unofficial as it was interesting. These were the results: 338 said they believed Bush was failing, while 77 said he was succeeding. Fifty said they thought he was the worst president ever. Worse than Buchanan.

This is what those historians said -- and it should be noted that some of the criticism about deficit spending and misuse of the military came from self-identified conservatives -- about the Bush record:

He has taken the country into an unwinnable war and alienated friend and foe alike in the process;

He is bankrupting the country with a combination of aggressive military spending and reduced taxation of the rich;

He has deliberately and dangerously attacked separation of church and state;

He has repeatedly "misled," to use a kind word, the American people on affairs domestic and foreign;

He has proved to be incompetent in affairs domestic (New Orleans) and foreign (Iraq and the battle against al-Qaida);

He has sacrificed American employment (including the toleration of pension and benefit elimination) to increase overall productivity;

He is ignorantly hostile to science and technological progress;

He has tolerated or ignored one of the republic's oldest problems, corporate cheating in supplying the military in wartime.

Quite an indictment. It is, of course, too early to evaluate a president. That, historically, takes decades, and views change over times as results and impact become more obvious. Besides, many of the historians note that however bad Bush seems, they have indeed since worse men around the White House. Some say Buchanan. Many say Vice President Dick Cheney.



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[Dos]

eh I think jimmy carter still has him beat.... lol

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sure alot of people stopped reading at "PARIS".

Pretty stupid poll -- I expect better from GMU.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I'm sure alot of people stopped reading at "PARIS".

Pretty stupid poll -- I expect better from GMU.
interesting how you dismiss the article even though it poses very valid points

[mookie2001]

in my lifetime there is no doubt

[ChumpDumper]

I dismiss it becuase it's completely ridiculous for any historian worth his sheepskin to rate a president in a historical context two full years before that president even leaves office.

Truman would've gotten more than his fair share of "worst ever" votes in 1950. Look at him now.

I'm no fan of Bush, but this is more of a stunt by the HNN than anything. The issues raised are nothing new.

[mookie2001]

a stunt such as gay marriage on ballots of states where it is already illegal

[Mr. Peabody]

I dismiss it becuase it's completely ridiculous for any historian worth his sheepskin to rate a president in a historical context two full years before that president even leaves office.



You make a valid point. W still has two year to solidify that "worst-president ever" designation.

[ChumpDumper]

Exactly. Why jump the gun?

[mookie2001]

yeah but afterwards he'll be regarded in a better light than Reagan and we all know Reagan became the greatest president ever a few years ago

can you imagine in 20 years if we have a more conservative president, Bush has alhzhiemers and then he dies during the peak of yuppieass white couples naming their kids Bush
he'd be like the Steven McGee of Presidents

[Mr. Peabody]

Exactly. Why jump the gun?

:lol Finally, someone with a sense of humor.

[SA210]

As far as i have been alive. the worst. by far.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Hell Yeah!!

[gtownspur]

As far as i have been alive. the worst. by far.

Well seeing how you've only had two administritations to judge by...

[Oh, Gee!!]

administritations

Dubya couldn't say it better himself

[Crookshanks]

On the contrary, I believe that President Bush will be regarded as a very great president with the passage of time and when current events are evaluated from a historical standpoint.

[Mr. Peabody]

On the contrary, I believe that President Bush will be regarded as a very great president with the passage of time and when current events are evaluated from a historical standpoint.

What accomplishments will people point to when describing the Bush presidency as great?

[Useruser666]

Anyone heard of William Henry Harrison?

[ChumpDumper]

Anyone heard of William Henry Harrison?
:lol

The only guy he killed was himself.

[Useruser666]

He shorted himself then.

[ChumpDumper]

Well the only decision I know of Harrison making was not to wear an overcoat to deliver the longest inagural speech in American history outside in the cold wind.

As far as that goes, I suppose one could say his decisions were 100% bad.

[cheguevara]

mmm don't know. But he is definitely the most dumb-looking president ever.

[SpursWoman]

:lol

The only guy he killed was himself.


I guess if that's the criteria, then he has to be somewhere on the list...


http://www.homeofheros.com/presidents/pres_johnson_lyndon.jpg

:fro

[gtownspur]

mmm don't know. But he is definitely the most dumb-looking president ever.

I guess since you base presidents on looks you must have the "sexiest presidents of all time" list in your possesion

[Silent Bob]

IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER?



:bang

[ChumpDumper]

No argument about LBJ here -- he pissed away one of the more impresseive legislative records ever lying about a war.

[boutons]

dubya's feckless presidency has been destroyed by the Repug Iraq war,
by the hurricane messes,
by the fiscal disaster,
by the Delay/Abramoff just-gettting-started scandals,
by who knows what else, etc.

dubya has accomplished nothing for the country, while doing his ideological best to cripple and destroy the fedreal govt.

Name one govt dept that runs better in, or a program that really helps Americans?
The Repub DHS/FEMA is a fucking disaster.

The economy is on the upswing in GDP terms, tax-privileged corps and rich are doing wonderfully, but household incomes are and have been stagnant/declining, so Americans aren't seeing the upswing in their bank accounts.

The ONLY objectives the Repubs had for winning were:

1. cut taxes for the rich and corps, no matter what the consequences.

2. enfeeble/destroy the federal govt.

[gtownspur]

Well he managed to give tax cuts to the rich and elevate spending for the poor by not cutting monies, approving expansion of, and not vetoing any social spending bill. He tries to please both sides and still fools like yourself and half of this board are still irate on his domestic policy towards the classses? .. I detect nothing but a hatred on Bush based not on sound principles but unstable pyshcological hatred.

[Nbadan]

You make a valid point. W still has two year to solidify that "worst-president ever" designation.

:lol

Let's just say he's on a solid footing.

[Nbadan]

Buchanan, Nixon, LBJ, but W isn't far behind these guys.

[SA210]

Well seeing how you've only had two administritations to judge by...

Try 6.

Another example of you talking about something u know nothing about. You seem to do that alot. Darn, I am sorry, pointing that out makes me a girl. My bad. You know everything, No, really , you do. Oh, and I forgot the :rolleyes .

[gtownspur]

Try humor and a sense of sarcasm on my part.:lol

Are you hear once again to let everyone else debate for you and you do all the cheerleading?

[gtownspur]

Buchanan, Nixon, LBJ, but W isn't far behind these guys.

Woodrow
Carter
Ulysses s Grant
Harding....

[SA210]

Well he managed to give tax cuts to the rich and elevate spending for the poor by not cutting monies, approving expansion of, and not vetoing any social spending bill. He tries to please both sides and still fools like yourself and half of this board are still irate on his domestic policy towards the classses? .. I detect nothing but a hatred on Bush based not on sound principles but unstable pyshcological hatred.
:lmao :lmao from the person who speaks from hate :lol

[Spam]

Bush will also go down as our worse ex-president.

[gtownspur]

:lmao :lmao from the person who speaks from hate :lol


You should've posted..
"rah rah rah.. Gtown's full of hate..rah rah rah ....To Celine Dione i masturbate."

[SA210]

Celine can look good sometimes.

[gtownspur]

Do you also think DUmbass Sylvester's hot, since he was on your avatar?

[SA210]

No, not really. Just a Rocky fan. As u can see, i like J. Lo.
What's YOUR in interest in Sly? Your sounding more weird by the day.

[gtownspur]

I called Sly a dumbass. Since when does that imply any interest?

Dude, man, woman, whatever you are this time of day, can you ever make sense?

[Mr. Peabody]

You should've posted..
"rah rah rah.. Gtown's full of hate..rah rah rah ....To Celine Dione i masturbate."

Nice to see gtown elevating the level of discourse in every thread that he posts in.

[gtownspur]

i can do no worse than you when you dumb down all discourse.

[Silent Bob]

dubya's feckless presidency has been destroyed by the Repug Iraq war,
by the hurricane messes,
by the fiscal disaster,
by the Delay/Abramoff just-gettting-started scandals,
by who knows what else, etc.

dubya has accomplished nothing for the country, while doing his ideological best to cripple and destroy the fedreal govt.

Name one govt dept that runs better in, or a program that really helps Americans?
The Repub DHS/FEMA is a fucking disaster.

The economy is on the upswing in GDP terms, tax-privileged corps and rich are doing wonderfully, but household incomes are and have been stagnant/declining, so Americans aren't seeing the upswing in their bank accounts.

The ONLY objectives the Repubs had for winning were:

1. cut taxes for the rich and corps, no matter what the consequences.

2. enfeeble/destroy the federal govt.



:spin

[Silent Bob]

W still has two year to solidify that "worst-president ever" designation.



:huh

:nope


6 7 8 = 1 2 3 :tu

[Mr. Peabody]

i can do no worse than you when you dumb down all discourse.

Is that the "I know you are, but what am I" defense?

[gtownspur]

i admitted to playing dirty in that post? Are you destitute of ideas that you stuck to photoshoping and one liners?

[SA210]

Is that the "I know you are, but what am I" defense?
Yea, that's it. Now he wants to call me a girl in every thread no matter what topic it is. :lol

Now everybody remembers when we were kids in the schoolyard and what that sounds like.

[Oh, Gee!!]

i can do no worse than you when you dumb down all discourse.


pot to kettle: "You're black."

[Mr. Peabody]

pot to kettle: "You're black."

We will not tolerate racism on this board!

[SpursWoman]

:lol


Pot to Kettle: "You're of obsidian-ish hue" ?

[valluco]

in my lifetime there is no doubt
yep.

[Mr. Defense]

What ALL of you are failing to SEE, is that the WORST President, is YET TO COME. :depressed

but don't be afraid, just be prepared. :nerd

Most All will like him. then the shit will hit the fan. :cry

[Oh, Gee!!]

What ALL of you are failing to SEE, is that the WORST President, is YET TO COME. :depressed

but don't be afraid, just be prepared. :nerd

Most All will like him. then the shit will hit the fan. :cry


the anti-christ? (cue scary music)

[Mr. Defense]

the anti-christ? (cue scary music)


NO, i don't believe so.

[Mr. Peabody]

McCain?
Giuliani?
Hillary?
Obama?

[Mr. Defense]

McCain?
Giuliani?
Hillary?
Obama?

[Mr. Peabody]

No way, Rudy would be a kickass president. He's been on Seinfeld.

[gtownspur]

^ Wow! so apparaently going after the country that actually would prepare a nuke, and fund terrorism is not satisfactory to you.

I think you lost all credibility about your regards to the safety of our nation.

[Puppy Dog]

Most All will like him. then the shit will hit the fan. :cry



No way, Rudy would be a kickass president. He's been on Seinfeld.


do you see?

[gtownspur]

Do you see what i see........

[Puppy Dog]

now don't get me wrong.

as a matter of fact, i MisSpoke, or mis typed, as the case may be...

cuz rudy will not be the worst per say.

but we WILL go through the worst times with him in power.

after a half dozen years of prosperity though.

just a guess.

take it as you will.

[gtownspur]

Dude, there isn't going to be an antichrist. Layoff the Left Behind novels.

[mookie2001]

Layoff the Left Behind novels.holy shit
I agree with gtown

[Puppy Dog]

Dude, there isn't going to be an antichrist. Layoff the Left Behind novels.


whatever you say. :tu

[gtownspur]

we should invade israel and russia?

You're obviously a moron, to think that the israeli's fund terrorism, because if they do, so do the french, germans, and any country trying to reign in on their provinces in Africa.

[mookie2001]

I fund terrorism everytime I pick up an OZ

[gtownspur]

whatever you say. :tu


Put the pipe down.

There's not going to be a messiah for the jews,

Miliions of christians won't dissapear of the planet, and then have All the news anchors believe that UFO's were behind the dissapearance of a bunch of holy rollers by coincidence.

There will not be a mark of the beast.

There wont be a millenium after the 7 year tribulation.

ANd Israel has no biblical right to the land they live in.

[Puppy Dog]

Put the pipe down.

There's not going to be a messiah for the jews,

Miliions of christians won't dissapear of the planet, and then have All the news anchors believe that UFO's were behind the dissapearance of a bunch of holy rollers by coincidence.

There will not be a mark of the beast.

There wont be a millenium after the 7 year tribulation.

ANd Israel has no biblical right to the land they live in.


they say ignorance is bliss. is it true? :lol

[bigzak25]

Jesus Christ was/IS our Messiah.

Many Millions will dissappear just like that when nuclear holocaust hits.

The beast is within us for those that let IT take over.

Ask BTK, Saddam, and Manson.

[mookie2001]

the rapture
thats like what happened at that party where thispego put on an eminem CD

[bigzak25]

i actually LIKE eminem.

he's misunderstood...just like someone i know. :lol

[JoeChalupa]

I'm not sure but I don't think his legacy is shaping out the way he wanted it to.
After the election he thought he walked on water now he finds himself just trying to stay above it.
I do think he is a good man but even the best of men have faults.
His unwillingness, the way I see it, to acknowledge his mistakes and change his mind if new information is discovered is a major flaw.
But since he used the infamous "flip-flop" during his re-election campaign he now doesn't to change on almost any issue.

[RandomGuy]

Bush will not be remembered kindly.

[gtownspur]

Jesus Christ was/IS our Messiah.

Many Millions will dissappear just like that when nuclear holocaust hits.

The beast is within us for those that let IT take over.

Ask BTK, Saddam, and Manson.


Many millions will be caught up one day, but that's on the day of Ressurrection, not some phony rapture ala pat robertson and the newsboys.

The beast is with in us is true, but the actual beast was the Sadducee/Ceaseraen allicance in the Roman Period. The Temple cult of JErusalem and Israel were the whore of Revelations, (read Galatians chpt 4 for the parrallel between the church and the Israelis). The book of revelations was a book for it's time and the people it addressed.

[gtownspur]

Bush will not be remembered kindly.


Lincoln wasn't loved either, so it'd be assinine to declare such a statement early on in the game.

[bigzak25]

Many millions will be caught up one day, but that's on the day of Ressurrection, not some phony rapture ala pat robertson and the newsboys.

The beast is with in us is true, but the actual beast was the Sadducee/Ceaseraen allicance in the Roman Period. The Temple cult of JErusalem and Israel were the whore of Revelations, (read Galatians chpt 4 for the parrallel between the church and the Israelis). The book of revelations was a book for it's time and the people it addressed.


so what are you saying about the book of revelations. that it is fabricated?

i have read 3/4's of it and then i stopped.

it is too much for me to handle at this point.

i well return to it one day. i am still reading Luke at this point. :tu

[gtownspur]

It's not fabricated. Just that you were not the audience it was intended to, therefore it's prophecies have nothing to do with present day. The book was intended for the early christian church who were going through Roman/Jewish persecution.

[bigzak25]

It's not fabricated. Just that you were not the audience it was intended to, therefore it's prophecies have nothing to do with present day. The book was intended for the early christian church who were going through Roman/Jewish persecution.


it speaks of the end of days. which we are IN.

I'm sorry to disagree with you gtown, but you are very very wrong on this matter.

Every Good Message in the book is intended for us.

[RandomGuy]

Lincoln wasn't loved either, so it'd be assinine to declare such a statement early on in the game.

I don't think it's "early on" in the game at all. He has been president for 6 years.

I think that is quite enough time to call it, and I only need one word.

Inept.

[gtownspur]

it speaks of the end of days. which we are IN.

I'm sorry to disagree with you gtown, but you are very very wrong on this matter.

Every Good Message in the book is intended for us.


We're not in the end of days. This whole rapture ideology is heretic to orthodoxy and was first proposed by a lunatic woman in Scotland during therapy. Later Irving and Scofield pushed this weak doctrine and lo and behold we have nuts who think they're doing the Biblical thing by supporting Israel as a holy nation. Before all this rapture doctrine, Martin Luther, John Calvin were all amillenialist, and believed in the last day.

[RandomGuy]

We're not in the end of days. This whole rapture ideology is heretic to orthodoxy and was first proposed by a lunatic woman in Scotland during therapy. Later Irving and Scofield pushed this weak doctrine and lo and behold we have nuts who think they're doing the Biblical thing by supporting Israel as a holy nation. Before all this rapture doctrine, Martin Luther, John Calvin were all amillenialist, and believed in the last day.

Holy shit. Something that I agree with g-town on. (picks self off floor)

[MasterYoda]

I don't think it's "early on" in the game at all. He has been president for 6 years.

I think that is quite enough time to call it, and I only need one word.

Inept.

01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08

mistaken about 6 years you are. just fyi, this is. :tu

[Jekka]

it speaks of the end of days. which we are IN.

I'm sorry to disagree with you gtown, but you are very very wrong on this matter.

Every Good Message in the book is intended for us.

Because the "end of days" is a "Good Message"?

The bible is/was not a fax straight from God - it may have been inspired by God, but man wrote it down, and therefore you have to consider the context in which it was written. Paul said women shouldn't speak in the church - should they take away my mother's Masters of Divination - should she not be allowed to preach anymore? Leviticus says that gays should be killed, that it's okay to own slaves, and that you shouldn't deal with women who are on their periods. I'm on the rag, Zak, maybe you shouldn't reply to this if you want to be a faithful believer.

You have to consider context and audience.

Revelations was written for a certain audience, and perhaps it has served its purpose, but I'm going to agree with the consensus that it's time to leave the Left Behind books on the shelf.

As for the actual purpose of the thread, every president has his fuck-ups, usually many of them, but it does look like Bush is running towards the title of "worst". It's depressing, really - Bush's imperialistic tendencies have lent themselves to a new Manifest Destiny of sorts - he's running over all kinds of people. At any rate, he will leave behind a sorely tainted "legacy".

[Mr. Defense]

Because the "end of days" is a "Good Message"?

The bible is/was not a fax straight from God - it may have been inspired by God, but man wrote it down, and therefore you have to consider the context in which it was written. Paul said women shouldn't speak in the church - should they take away my mother's Masters of Divination - should she not be allowed to preach anymore? Leviticus says that gays should be killed, that it's okay to own slaves, and that you shouldn't deal with women who are on their periods. I'm on the rag, Zak, maybe you shouldn't reply to this if you want to be a faithful believer.

You have to consider context and audience.

Revelations was written for a certain audience, and perhaps it has served its purpose, but I'm going to agree with the consensus that it's time to leave the Left Behind books on the shelf.

As for the actual purpose of the thread, every president has his fuck-ups, usually many of them, but it does look like Bush is running towards the title of "worst". It's depressing, really - Bush's imperialistic tendencies have lent themselves to a new Manifest Destiny of sorts - he's running over all kinds of people. At any rate, he will leave behind a sorely tainted "legacy".

Jekka, I have no problem replying, although your crimson tide reference is quite humourous. :lol

The FACTS are that Love Conquers All. When I read the Bible, i can find things that are wrong. I see the TRUTH. Because my foundation is a ROCK. Jesus Christ is a ROCK on which God allows us All to Stand. He lifts us up.

Revelation is a Good Message. YES. It speaks of doom, but it speaks of Salvation. It speaks of the END of SATAN. It is a Good Message. It is a warning of things to come. Will we be ready? I will. Who else? I KNOW who i'm following. He's leading the way and watching our back at the same time.
He'll take us anywhere we want to go with Good intentions. I truly BELIEVE. I don't spit words out to convince people. I just say what my experiences are and what my beliefs are and people can judge as they wish and spit venom as they wish. Or agree. I can be wrong. I will be wrong about a great many things. But My Foundation is Solid. So WHEN I FALL? I have no fear. I will get up again. EVERY TIME. I will LEARN from my mistakes.

IF we could all be so bold? The world would be a better place. I GUARANTEE you that. The Holy Bible has been around for 1000's of years. You are trying to tell me that NOW is the time to put it on the shelf to collect dust? No. I cannot. I've made my choice. Everyone must make their own choice. But NOW, we need to be Closer to Jesus Christ than EVER. I truly believe we are in the Last Days before the Final Judgement. If I am wrong? Good. God willing, I live a long happy life with a happy healthy family. IF I am right? I will be prepared.

How so? By strengthening my Faith in Him through His Son, each and every day. Nothing more, Nothing less.


What you critisize our President for, I applaud him for.

I am upset with his border policies. But I wonder why he has allowed them to be lax.

I am upset that progress in Iraq is not as fast as we would all like it to be. But I wonder what obstacles or plans our Military has that we are not aware of.

Always, whenever there is a problem, there is a reason that the problem occured. Always, whenever there is a problem, there is a solution that can be reached.

We must remember our childhoods. BEFORE we were jaded by the society we live in. Fuck REALITY. Rise above. Stop thinking so damn much and get out of our own ways. Make Faith Based Decisions that we BELIEVE serve a Good Purpose and Everything is going to be alright. :tu

Godbless you and Goodnight Sis. Goodluck with your Finals. Sorry to distract. :)

[boutons]

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/po/2005/po051206.gif

[Chef]

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/po/2005/po051206.gif

^^^
Wow, is this the king idiot here or is there a challenger? :lol
Don't follow his example now childrun. Stupid is as stupid does. :tu

[RandomGuy]

01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08

mistaken about 6 years you are. just fyi, this is. :tu

My apologies master yoda. Wishful thinking about how much longer we have to put up with this S***bag administration it is.

3 more years instead of 2.
:depressed

[gtownspur]

^^HA ha :lol cocksucker!

Jk!

[gtownspur]

Because the "end of days" is a "Good Message"?

The bible is/was not a fax straight from God - it may have been inspired by God, but man wrote it down, and therefore you have to consider the context in which it was written. Paul said women shouldn't speak in the church - should they take away my mother's Masters of Divination - should she not be allowed to preach anymore? Leviticus says that gays should be killed, that it's okay to own slaves, and that you shouldn't deal with women who are on their periods. I'm on the rag, Zak, maybe you shouldn't reply to this if you want to be a faithful believer.

You have to consider context and audience.

Revelations was written for a certain audience, and perhaps it has served its purpose, but I'm going to agree with the consensus that it's time to leave the Left Behind books on the shelf.

As for the actual purpose of the thread, every president has his fuck-ups, usually many of them, but it does look like Bush is running towards the title of "worst". It's depressing, really - Bush's imperialistic tendencies have lent themselves to a new Manifest Destiny of sorts - he's running over all kinds of people. At any rate, he will leave behind a sorely tainted "legacy".


":angel Oh my Gawd! :rolleyes Bush is like becoming a king, and taking over countries, and being all imperialistic, like that is so messed up. :princess We need to end this cruel war. War is inhuman and hateful. If it wasn't for Bush, all the fuzzy animals wouldn't of been killed by the air raids in Iraq...oh yeah, i forgot about innocent children,.. that's so sad! I can't stand Bush, he's so insecure! he's not masculine like Jake Gyllenhaal or Ben afleck! ooh you go girlfreind."

Ok, aside all the Lisa Frank, unicorns, and treasures trolls.

I think your beef about modern christian theology is legit. IF you want to have the church include women into the fold, start your own. Don't reform christianity to fit your political ideology.


And i know there's some bastards out there ready to give me a new one on how hypocritical it is for me to have said that. But they don't know how i stand.

[bigzak25]

IF you want to have the church include women into the fold, start your own. Don't reform christianity to fit your political ideology.


and what if God is a WOMAN. Ever thought of that? :lol

[cecil collins]

What if god is an earthworm? Ever think of that.

[bigzak25]

What if god is an earthworm? Ever think of that.


wow. your thought processes are much too deep for me. i am shamed. :depressed

[gtownspur]

What if god is an earthworm? Ever think of that.

What if dipshits stopped incorporating cheesy pop lyrics into personal beliefs.

[IcemanCometh]

Don't reform christianity to fit your political ideology.

Tell that to Martin Luther

[gtownspur]

Sorry, read about the reformation, and you'll find out that it was the catholic church who ventured out of it's principles.Martin luther only tried to bring it back to it's St. Augustine, and the New testament foundation.

Tell that to the catholic church, otherwise obtain a 4th grade education.

[smeagol]

Sorry, read about the reformation, and you'll find out that it was the catholic church who ventured out of it's principles.Martin luther only tried to bring it back to it's St. Augustine, and the New testament foundation.

Tell that to the catholic church, otherwise obtain a 4th grade education.
I read a lot about the reformation and although to some degree you are right (the Church is partially to blame for what happened) Martin Luther tried to come change theology to suit his purposes. He even excluded books form the Bible that did not agree with his beliefs.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

":angel Oh my Gawd! :rolleyes Bush is like becoming a king, and taking over countries, and being all imperialistic, like that is so messed up. :princess We need to end this cruel war. War is inhuman and hateful. If it wasn't for Bush, all the fuzzy animals wouldn't of been killed by the air raids in Iraq...oh yeah, i forgot about innocent children,.. that's so sad! I can't stand Bush, he's so insecure! he's not masculine like Jake Gyllenhaal or Ben afleck! ooh you go girlfreind."

Ok, aside all the Lisa Frank, unicorns, and treasures trolls.

I think your beef about modern christian theology is legit. IF you want to have the church include women into the fold, start your own. Don't reform christianity to fit your political ideology.


And i know there's some bastards out there ready to give me a new one on how hypocritical it is for me to have said that. But they don't know how i stand.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif and they keep on coming! Stupid post one after the other... this has to be a record http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smirolleyes.gif

[SA210]

^^^ no kidding

[cecil collins]

What if dipshits stopped incorporating cheesy pop lyrics into personal beliefs.
I don't know what you are talking about. What song? Perhaps I heard it and that was the basis for my comment, but I don't actually know what song you are referring to. Besides that, god could be a fucking tadpole for all I care. If he really talks to Bush and Pat Robertson, I want no part of it.

[Mr. Peabody]

I don't know what you are talking about. What song? Perhaps I heard it and that was the basis for my comment, but I don't actually know what song you are referring to. Besides that, god could be a fucking tadpole for all I care. If he really talks to Bush and Pat Robertson, I want no part of it.

Are you nuts? God is an old white man with a long white beard and a staff. Hell, he is on TV all the time. Haven't you seen him?

He looks like this -

http://jerhad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/god.gif

or like this --

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000648ZR.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[cecil collins]

Guess he seems familiar. Is this himhttp://abenteuerteam.com/images/brasilien/mythosamazonien/images/Amazon-old-man.jpg

[boutons]

dubya/dickhead's
widespread program of torture,
rendtions,
secret prisons,
holding people for years with charge or trial,
inability to convict people charged as terrorists,
his SC nominee fuckups,
etc, etc,

... will all contribute to the blackending and discrediting of the dubya/dickhead years.


http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ta/2005/ta051208.gif


http://images.ucomics.com/comics/jd/2005/jd051208.gif


http://images.ucomics.com/comics/tt/2005/tt051208.gif


http://images.ucomics.com/comics/sc/2005/sc051206.gif


http://www.creators.com/1204/LK/LK1207g.gif

======================

The list of total fuckups, mind-boggling willful incompetence, dickless ineffectiveness of the dubya/dickheads years vastly outweighs any positives (are there ANY positives?), and there's still 3 lame duck years to run.

[xrayzebra]

there's still 3 lame duck years to run.
\
Yep, There sure is. :lol :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant
And don't you forget it!

[Oh, Gee!!]

\
Yep, There sure is. :lol :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant
And don't you forget it!


unless he's impeached and removed. Not out of the realm of possibilities

[xrayzebra]

unless he's impeached and removed. Not out of the realm of possibilities

Bet you still believe in Santa Clause. Only in your fondest dream. :lol

[ThugJohnson]

Besides that, god could be a fucking tadpole for all I care.


ahhhmmm...i'm gonna tell...


dude. your a fucking idiot. stop while your behind.

[ThugJohnson]

dubya/dickhead's
widespread program of torture,
rendtions,
secret prisons,
holding people for years with charge or trial,
inability to convict people charged as terrorists,
his SC nominee fuckups,
etc, etc,

... will all contribute to the blackending and discrediting of the dubya/dickhead years.


The list of total fuckups, mind-boggling willful incompetence, dickless ineffectiveness of the dubya/dickheads years vastly outweighs any positives (are there ANY positives?), and there's still 3 lame duck years to run.

wow. somebody just LOST all credibitlity. why don't you grow some pubic hair junior and come back to the adult forum for debate when you can make a point withouth the endless 'dubya/dickhead' remarks.

kids these days...i tell ya...:lol

[SA210]

^^^ lost credibility for telling the truth?

[Silent Bob]

^^^ lost credibility for telling the truth?


:rolleyes

[SA210]

Speak Bob, u spoke the other day.

[Silent Bob]

Speak Bob, u spoke the other day.


:blah :blah :blah :blah :blah


:)

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Bush is just a mis-fit.

http://home.insightbb.com/~d.decker/wsb/media/276312/site1010.jpg

[George W. Bush]

Bush is just a mis-fit.

http://home.insightbb.com/~d.decker/wsb/media/276312/site1010.jpg


Listen hear sonny. When i want an puppet assholes opinion, I'll watch the daily show. You'd come across as much smarter if you'd just shut the fuck up.



Ahm sorry Dick, this here pansy started it? What you mean bedtime? Awww shit. Goodbye for now. :pctoss

[LittleGeneral]

the combined iq of gtownspur, mfd, and george bush rivals that of a crack-subdued sea horse.

[George W. Bush]

the combined iq of gtownspur, mfd, and george bush rivals that of a crack-subdued sea horse.


How dare you! :lol

And where exactly is this sea horse you speak of. Does she sell? Put out?

I thank you for yure support. I could use a little general in ma army.

[Nbadan]

Forget opinions for now, economic numbers don't lie...

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP.gif

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/Stoft-2004-debt-presidents.gif

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/531-Bush-Job-Loss.gif

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2003/07/02/business/03JOBSch450.gif

When it comes to job growth, the worse Democrat of the last 80 years still beats the best Republican of the last 80 years.

More graphs from z-graphs (http://zfacts.com/)

[Silent Bob]

^ those that really want a job? can get a job.

the others make excuses and remain unemployed...stop being part of the problem, nbad.

[SA210]

Everything is not as simple as that.

[Mr. Peabody]

^ those that really want a job? can get a job.

the others make excuses and remain unemployed...stop being part of the problem, nbad.

Maybe, but what kind of jobs can they get? Is it enough to support yourself or raise a family on?

[SA210]

^^^ exactly

[Oh, Gee!!]

Maybe, but what kind of jobs can they get? Is it enough to support yourself or raise a family on?


Man, I sell rocks.

[Mr. Peabody]

Man, I sell rocks.

Do you think you could get me a geode? I always wanted one of those for my office.

http://www.beavton.k12.or.us/greenway/leahy/00-01/rocks/geode.jpg

[SA210]

Steve Kerr took my job. :depressed

[gtownspur]

the combined iq of gtownspur, mfd, and george bush rivals that of a crack-subdued sea horse.

Coming from LittleGenitals, that must be a compliment.

[cecil collins]

Very clever insult. This guy, he's full of em. I envy his family and friends. The laughter and fun they must all enjoy.

[Mr. Peabody]

Very clever insult. This guy, he's full of em. I envy his family and friends. The laughter and fun they must all enjoy.

You would have enjoyed the "gtown appreciation thread" we had going a few weeks back.

[SA210]

Gtown, the best at resorting to insulting someone and namecalling for lack of an arguement.

[gtownspur]

^and you're the best at neither dishing good insults or good arguments.

[SA210]

because u say so ? :rolleyes

[Mr. Peabody]

gtown, I thought you and Oh, Gee! had a rivalry going, but that was nothing compared to what you have going on with SA210.

[xrayzebra]

gtown, I thought you and Oh, Gee! had a rivalry going, but that was nothing compared to what you have going on with SA210.

Yeah, sometime I get the feeling they may have a difference of opinions. :lol

[Oh, Gee!!]

gtown, I thought you and Oh, Gee! had a rivalry going, but that was nothing compared to what you have going on with SA210.


I got beef with Xray now.

[smeagol]

I got beef with Xray now.
Why would you put such a stupid statement as your sig?

[SA210]

I pity the fool that has beef with Oh, Gee.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Why would you put such a stupid statement as your sig?


you're on my list now.

[xrayzebra]

I got beef with Xray now.

Should I worry? It is the Christmas season you know! Should I go into
hiding? Naw, I still enjoy my "discussions" with you.