Grades: Spurs @ Raptors - Feb. 12, 2024

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/2024-spurs-raptors-grades-54/

[SouthernFryd]

Thanks, Tim.

So, I looked up the last time someone got a triple double...with BLOCKS. I found it was Clint Capela. with ATLANTA, in 2021. So, I decided to look up some of Capela's highlights and check the guy out.

What I found was a guy who was a dunking machine...and did it with lotsa LOBS...95% of those lobs came from none other than TRAE YOUNG. This is supposed to be a Clint Capela highlight reel, but for me it was a Trae Young Highlight reel.

What could Trae could do with Wemby?

https://youtu.be/lEhyiTp8xq8?si=cG2DKLikSwc_B6EM

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/tom_orsborn/status/1757258815966179685?s=46

Uh oh, here’s your first “forever guy” with Wemby…

[SouthernFryd]

Wow, just wow. Shades of Manu...

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1061464281798995 (https://www.facebook.com/reel/1061464281798995)

[Ocotillo]

Is it just me or does OP come in with the grades really quick after wins and not so quick after the losses? :lol

I do appreciate the effort and write ups, thank you.

[Raven]

i believe tre gets consistently two votes above what he deserves.

[SouthernFryd]

i believe tre gets consistently two votes above what he deserves.

Don't get me started on POP's grades...;)

[pookenstein]

I also noticed that Pop let Wemby get his 10t block. Game was longe decided then. If I remember correctly, it was similar when Vic got his first triple double. The pre Wemby Pop wouldn't have done this. Nice to see...

[Dejounte]

I’ll say it because no one will:

On paper, that Raptors team is how a lot of Spurstalkers would construct a team if they had their way. And one would think that team would play a lot better tbh…and it’s not for a lack of trying.

[JPB]

WESLEY...CAN'T...MAKE...A FREAKING...LAYUP... NOT...EVEN...CLOSE.

[MultiTroll]

https://www.spurstalk.com/2024-spurs-raptors-grades-54/
"Pop didn’t do any special coaching to get the win."

Are you okay?

[John B]

Thanks Timvp. It was a very satisfactory win, punctuated by the triple-double. I was one who wished the Spurs to lose and get more cushion on the top 3 draft pick (plus helping squeeze TOR out of 6th place for the 2nd lottery pick), but it’s seldom we see the Spurs dominate their opponent with Wemby’s awesomeness on full display. It helps with his ROTY and even DPOY chances. I’m not complaining with the win.

Happy to see Wesley getting more and more points out there. His defense is stellar, but I like him connecting the 3 and and scoring out there. I’m rooting for this kid to have a great off-season and continue to improve. He has such a high ceiling if ever. If he can practice his shooting, catch and shoot, he could audition for the Danny Green role (plus more). I really like this kid’s POA defense.

Sochan’s defense is another thing I watch for, and again on display last night, plus his aggressiveness cutting and attacking the rim. I’m hoping he can be a mold of Bowen/Kawhi with a sprinkler of Diaw, tough defense, able to hit 3’s and a connector. Getting more stronger and getting more comfortable with his handles and passes as the season progresses.

Keldon, Vassell I know what to expect from them and they were in full display last night. I like them to continually improve their game, Vassell as a 2nd option and giving Wesley open lanes, and Keldon quarterbacking the 2nd unit and not missing the beat.

Osman has fell of the cliff as of late. But I hope with McBucket’s departure from the team would help him get a more consistent role. This guy has Spurs written all-over him, another player I watch to have good game. Another connector and glue out there.

Branham I’m happy to see a double digit score. I hope he continues to score and play better defense.

Great stuff.

[mexicanjunior]

Considering the draft impact, about as bad of a win as you can have this season.

[toki9]

Looks like Gradey caught his own airball before taking that 10th blocked shot. Shouldn’t that play have been dead? Or did the ball graze the rim/backboard?

[Ariel]

These are the teams near Toronto:

4) Charlotte: 12 wins (last 10: 2-8)
5) Portland: 15 wins (last 10: 3-7)
6) Memphis: 18 wins (last 10: 1-9)
7) Toronto: 19 wins (last 10: 3-7)
8) Brooklyn: 21 wins (last 10: 4-6)
9) Atlanta: 24 wins (last 10: 6-4)
10) Houston: 24 wins (last 10: 4-6)

So the ones with a worse record are getting worse, and the ones with a better record are distancing themselves, which should put Toronto comfortably in the 6-8 range, with chances of conveying being 54% / 68.1% / 73.8% respectively. That is the sweet spot, and if it doesn't convey it shouldn't be a catastrophe. You people need to chill.

[Spursfanfromafar]

The greatest thing about Wemby's 10 blocks was that.. I think 7/8 of them just went to the Spurs and not out of bounds. This is Timmy-mode defense. The mark of a great center is when their blocking leads to instant offense. That was what separated Timmy from someone like Howard or Camby or DeAndre Jordan or Whiteside or McGee who could block a lot too but most of it was just spiking shots out of bounds. And to see Wemby doing this as a rookie is amazing to watch.

Wemby is so good at 20 that it should scare anyone about what he is going to be capable of. I just hope the Spurs surround him with good talent sooner rather than later. And I am glad that Vassell talks about them as a duo. He knows this isn't the team.. it is about what is going to come.

[MultiTroll]

The greatest thing about Wemby's 10 blocks was that.. I think 7/8 of them just went to the Spurs and not out of bounds. This is Timmy-mode defense. The mark of a great center is when their blocking leads to instant offense. That was what separated Timmy from someone like Howard or Camby or DeAndre Jordan or Whiteside or McGee who could block a lot too but most of it was just spiking shots out of bounds. And to see Wemby doing this as a rookie is amazing to watch.
Bill Russell has been preaching that since 1958.

Before that someone in Springfield, Mass probably said hey don't swat it away so far, it only helps the opponent.

Agree, good to see Wemby gets it when so many other low iq NBA bigs don't.

[spurraider21]

I’ll say it because no one will:

On paper, that Raptors team is how a lot of Spurstalkers would construct a team if they had their way. And one would think that team would play a lot better tbh…and it’s not for a lack of trying.
They don’t have a wemby. If you really wanted to be critical you could say this is how people wanted the spurs to be before they blew it all up

[poopbox]

https://x.com/tom_orsborn/status/1757258815966179685?s=46

Uh oh, here’s your first “forever guy” with Wemby…

Devin can barely pass the ball to Wemby without it being a turnover but they going to be a duo :lol

[z0sa]

Looks like Gradey caught his own airball before taking that 10th blocked shot. Shouldn’t that play have been dead? Or did the ball graze the rim/backboard?

It's ref's discretion on a shot attempt. You can't pass to yourself, but that was pretty clearly a shot attempt that he happened to catch. The refs all are masters of the psychological aspect of the game and additionally, keep tallies mentally of things like guys going for triple doubles. Game management skills come into play where they can blow the whistle late in the game for something like this ... or not the blow whistle and likely see Vic collect his 10th block, which will be all over the highlight reels and increase the presence of the game/one of it's most popular new players.

[MultiTroll]

So the ones with a worse record are getting worse, and the ones with a better record are distancing themselves, which should put Toronto comfortably in the 6-8 range, with chances of conveying being 54% / 68.1% / 73.8% respectively. That is the sweet spot, and if it doesn't convey it shouldn't be a catastrophy. You people need to chill.
Thought Torontos pick is top 6 protected?
Meaning 6th worst record = does not convey?

[Ariel]

Thought Torontos pick is top 6 protected?
Meaning 6th worst record = does not convey?
That's not how it works. Your record determines your odds at landing at a given spot within the lottery, Toronto having the 6th worst record would give the pick a 54% chance of landing at 7th or worse, in which case it conveys. Here you can look at the breakdown of the landing spots per record #: https://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

[LeBowen]

Thought Torontos pick is top 6 protected?
Meaning 6th worst record = does not convey?

https://i.imgur.com/aAh6dpt.png

[JPB]

Looks like Gradey caught his own airball before taking that 10th blocked shot. Shouldn’t that play have been dead? Or did the ball graze the rim/backboard?

you mean the one Dick air balled a finger roll..., then with Wemby right in front of him just under the rim decided to shoot the ball with no jump?

Felt all night Raptors bet on who would score on Wemby.

[MultiTroll]

That's not how it works. Your record determines your odds at landing at a given spot within the lottery, Toronto having the 6th worst record would give the pick a 54% chance of landing at 7th or worse, in which case it conveys. Here you can look at the breakdown of the landing spots per record #: https://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds
So Spurs are getting Torontos pick no matter what place they finish in?

[exstatic]

So Spurs are getting Torontos pick no matter what place they finish in?

It’s not the end of the season position. It’s the post lottery position. If they are 7 or lower after the lottery, we get the pick.

[Seventyniner]

you mean the one Dick air balled a finger roll..., then with Wemby right in front of him just under the rim decided to shoot the ball with no jump?

Felt all night Raptors bet on who would score on Wemby.

It seemed like Nic Claxton wanted to dunk on Wemby as many times as possible.

[Ariel]

So Spurs are getting Torontos pick no matter what place they finish in?
I didn't say that. As long as Toronto doesn't make the playoffs and doesn't have one of the 2 worst records, there are no guarantees, only better or worse chances of the pick conveying which depends on the results of the lottery:
If Toronto finishes with the 6th worst record, the chance the pick conveys is at 54% (about even odds)
If Toronto finishes with the 7th worst record, the chance the pick conveys is at 68.1% (about 2 in 3)
If Toronto finishes with the 8th worst record, the chance the pick conveys is at 73.8% (about 3 in 4)

[exstatic]

I didn't say that. As long as Toronto doesn't make the playoffs and doesn't have one of the 2 worst records, there are no guarantees, only better or worse chances of the pick conveying which depends on the results of the lottery:
If Toronto finishes with the 6th worst record, the chance the pick conveys is at 54% (about even odds)
If Toronto finishes with the 7th worst record, the chance the pick conveys is at 68.1% (about 2 in 3)
If Toronto finishes with the 8th worst record, the chance the pick conveys is at 73.8% (about 3 in 4)

Too complicated for the troll. Boiled down, after the lottery, if Toronto’s position is 7 or worse,we get the pick.

[freetiago]

Pop did change the rotations this game. Normally he pulls Victor out at the 6-7 min mark and sits him the rest of the quarter. Tonight he did the same but brought him back at the 2 min mark instead of sitting out the quarter. He might finally be trying to play him more than 29 mins but the game was a blowout and not necessary. Still think the rotation is horrible though and Victor just needs to suck it up and play 8 mins at a time. Collins getting more mins vs the other teams starters is never a good thing

[MultiTroll]

I didn't say that. As long as Toronto doesn't make the playoffs and doesn't have one of the 2 worst records, there are no guarantees, only better or worse chances of the pick conveying which depends on the results of the lottery:
If Toronto finishes with the 6th worst record, the chance the pick conveys is at 54% (about even odds)
If Toronto finishes with the 7th worst record, the chance the pick conveys is at 68.1% (about 2 in 3)
If Toronto finishes with the 8th worst record, the chance the pick conveys is at 73.8% (about 3 in 4)
9 10 11th on up to 48th the pick is ours, right.


Too complicated for the troll. Boiled down, after the lottery, if Toronto’s position is 7 or worse,we get the pick.
I'd already thanked you in acknowledgment above.
Why you're ovulating about me like this is ???

[BackHome]

Should we be shopping Cedi and what do you think we can get for him?

[Biggems]

Wemby should have more assists. However, his teammates are allergic to finishing when he drops those sweet dimes to them. Honestly, if his teammates were as proficient at finishing as Joker's teammates, Wemby would probably average damn near a triple double every night. Then, on the rare nights when he lights up the blocks column, he could really compete for quadruple doubles.

[JeffDuncan]

Should we be shopping Cedi and what do you think we can get for him?


Actively shopping him, no. Osman is better than a lot of bench players around the league, and his contract is not a problem. He’s also a veteran player on a roster that is short of vets. There’s no compelling reason to move him.

Of course if somebody called about him you’d talk to them. But myself, there’s no chance I’d let him go for something like the average 2nd round pick. It would have to be a good offer.

[Silentbob]

Looks like Gradey caught his own airball before taking that 10th blocked shot. Shouldn’t that play have been dead? Or did the ball graze the rim/backboard?

coincidentally i just watched a youtube reel explaining that picking your own airball is a travel under NBA rules. everywhere else its okay if there was a real intent to shoot/score. so yes it shouldve been a travel if it was an airball.

[spurraider21]

Looks like Gradey caught his own airball before taking that 10th blocked shot. Shouldn’t that play have been dead? Or did the ball graze the rim/backboard?
when i was watching live i just assumed it grazed the rim since they didnt call it dead, but i havent looked too closely at the replay

[toki9]

when i was watching live i just assumed it grazed the rim since they didnt call it dead, but i havent looked too closely at the replay

i have old eyes so i don’t really trust my judgment, but it seems like no commentator has even brought up the possibility—only that Wemby got the rare 10 block triple-double.

[toki9]

coincidentally i just watched a youtube reel explaining that picking your own airball is a travel under NBA rules. everywhere else its okay if there was a real intent to shoot/score. so yes it shouldve been a travel if it was an airball.
Yeah, I thought it was NCAA and FIBA that’d have allowed it, but not the NBA.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Looks like Gradey caught his own airball before taking that 10th blocked shot. Shouldn’t that play have been dead? Or did the ball graze the rim/backboard?


coincidentally i just watched a youtube reel explaining that picking your own airball is a travel under NBA rules. everywhere else its okay if there was a real intent to shoot/score. so yes it shouldve been a travel if it was an airball.

Hey Chet

[Silentbob]

Hey Chet

lol, irregardless if it was a travel or not, wemby was gonna get his 10th block. or i hoped he would, half expected pop to sit him in the 4th with the huge lead. good thing pop let wemby get his.

[spurraider21]

lol, irregardless if it was a travel or not, wemby was gonna get his 10th block. or i hoped he would, half expected pop to sit him in the 4th with the huge lead. good thing pop let wemby get his.
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