Pop is doing a disservice to the growth of Wemby

[Kawhi Duncan]

By not structuring an offense around him ... Right now he just sets screens and waits for a pass that may or may not come... And then on those nights he doesn't get a lot of touches early, he resorts to chucking frustration threes just to get shots up

Dude can be utilized in so many ways that is capable for creating for himself and others

1. Can use him as the ballhandler in a pick and roll
2. Have him come off screens and curls
3. Mid/high post iso and have teammates cut (like Jokic)...

Right now he is scoring off jump baskets and pure talent... He isn't growing his game or finding out a go-to move...

And next year with pop at the helm, it will be the same script, different cast

[CorrectCrusader]

Spurs will never go anywhere until that old bastard falls over dead

[MannyIsGod]

Wemby is extremely frustrated right now and it’s on full display. Dude needs a W pretty bad. I wonder how close Pop is to losing him because this was by far the worst body language I’ve seen from him. Pop benching him in the 3rd was an odd move.

[MultiTroll]

Is this the worst coaching season All Time by an NBA coach?

*throw out Tank years and horrible owner forced losses ie Donald Sterlling.

Super Sniffers will say CIA Popped is tanking. Ok, for what?

[TekXX]

Pop still being the head coach after almost 30 years feels incredibly stale. Dude has been exposed to a certain extent without the big 3 to make him look good.

[Mr. Body]

My only wish on earth is that everyone in this thread (except me) just goes ahead and shoots themselves in the face.

[KobesAchilles]

I miss Tark. Glad yall are finally starting to see the light.

[get_mills_out]

What do you mean he’s still at the top of his game. Everyone was giving him the Slurp3000 when McDonald asked him about pick and roll coverage and he rambled for three minutes about…Jerry Sloan, hand checking, and staying in front of your man.

Sure, the Spurs are bottom 5 on D against PNR ball handlers, off ball screens, and DHO but I mean cmon, you can’t win em all

[offset formation]

My only wish on earth is that everyone in this thread (except me) just goes ahead and shoots themselves in the face.

lol.

What I'd ever do to you? (favorite line from Steve Martin's character in Little Shop of Horrors)

[Pauleta14]

His rotation today was attrocious, made no sense.

I really wonder what Victor trully thinks of him now, compared to the image he had of him before his draft (Pop was the main reason he thought SA was the best place for him)

We could all be wrong and he's uber patient with PATFO...

[RC_Drunkford]

It took you that long to figure this out?

[Fizziksman]

Once they won the lottery, everything should have been about getting rid of players that help bring about that reality.

[CorrectCrusader]

My only wish on earth is that everyone in this thread (except me) just goes ahead and shoots themselves in the face.

You should do what the airforce guy did In front of the Israel embassy

[slick'81]

Wemby wont put up with losing for very long

[Pauleta14]

It took you that long to figure this out?

You really aren’t the sharpest tool…

[Chomag]

My only wish on earth is that everyone in this thread (except me) just goes ahead and shoots themselves in the face.

Bru! Wishing death and pain on people just because they express an opinion on a sports forum is pretty low of a low.

[slick'81]

Bru! Wishing death and pain on people just because they express an opinion on a sports forum is pretty low of a low.

hes a miserable dbag. Nothing new

[TheGreatYacht]

My only wish on earth is that everyone in this thread (except me) just goes ahead and shoots themselves in the face.
You’re the shittiest poster here buddy. You have a worse eye for talent than Chinook does. You think Jeremy Soshit, Malaki Branham and Blake Wesley are good. Before you off yourself, make sure the rope is strong enough :tu

[RC_Drunkford]

You really aren’t the sharpest tool…

I wasn't even talking to you. Are you that insecure? :lol

[scott]

HOWEVER, Pop is finally taking SpursTalk to the extreme Civil War it needs :lol

[freetiago]

Waiting for the dsy they make a single pass to him rolling. Always just dump it to the corner guy of his picks and ignore him. Let him catch it in the paint, get doubled/tripled, and make the decision

[rankingtear]

By not structuring an offense around him ... Right now he just sets screens and waits for a pass that may or may not come... And then on those nights he doesn't get a lot of touches early, he resorts to chucking frustration threes just to get shots up

Dude can be utilized in so many ways that is capable for creating for himself and others

1. Can use him as the ballhandler in a pick and roll
2. Have him come off screens and curls
3. Mid/high post iso and have teammates cut (like Jokic)...

Right now he is scoring off jump baskets and pure talent... He isn't growing his game or finding out a go-to move...

And next year with pop at the helm, it will be the same script, different cast

He is getting all that. The problem with his post up is either he is being pushed 10ft away on the catch and he can be guarded by lighter guys and the opposing center is ignoring Sochan and is always on help when he gets deep post. Also because he is awful on the mid range those top of the key touches is not working.

[JPB]

My only wish on earth is that everyone in this thread (except me) just goes ahead and shoots themselves in the face.

So you're the only poster left in this forum, and finally can put an Anthony Black pic on your avatar.

We all have bad posts here, and you probably more than anyone, but most don't act like they geniuses who never do.

[exstatic]

By not structuring an offense around him ... Right now he just sets screens and waits for a pass that may or may not come... And then on those nights he doesn't get a lot of touches early, he resorts to chucking frustration threes just to get shots up

Dude can be utilized in so many ways that is capable for creating for himself and others

1. Can use him as the ballhandler in a pick and roll
2. Have him come off screens and curls
3. Mid/high post iso and have teammates cut (like Jokic)...

Right now he is scoring off jump baskets and pure talent... He isn't growing his game or finding out a go-to move...

And next year with pop at the helm, it will be the same script, different cast

Victor’s USG% is 31.9. That’s higher than Trae Young. Second place is Devin with 23.6. I’d say the offense is structured around him.

[The Truth #6]

I heard in an interview with the esteemed scholar Draymond Green where he said that since Victor can do a little bit of everything and he's all over the court that might actually be hard for his teammates to adjust and know their role and where their spots should be. I don't think that's exactly the problem with this team, it goes beyond that, but still an interesting point.

[z0sa]

I heard in an interview with the esteemed scholar Draymond Green where he said that since Victor can do a little bit of everything and he's all over the court that might actually be hard for his teammates to adjust and know their role and where their spots should be. I don't think that's exactly the problem with this team, it goes beyond that, but still an interesting point.

That's EXACTLY where coaching comes in, tbh. And if the pieces don't fit 50+ games in, you make trades. As in, sooner than later, not years down the line. This SHOULD be a very eventful off-season - if PATFO care at all about winning in the next few years.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Pop's lack of coaching acumen was always covered by his ability to delegate to more talented assistant coaches and the fact that he had 3 incredibly team-oriented, extremely high BBIQ, hall of fame talents on the team. Those more talented assistants were willing to come here to compete for a championship every year, but not for a rebuild. In addition, Pop used to be all about team success, but now is just as concerned about building and maintaining his own brand. I fear it will take another 2 years of Pop-led teams before there is enough momentum against him that he resigns due to health concerns.

[exstatic]

Pop's lack of coaching acumen was always covered by his ability to delegate to more talented assistant coaches and the fact that he had 3 incredibly team-oriented, extremely high BBIQ, hall of fame talents on the team. Those more talented assistants were willing to come here to compete for a championship every year, but not for a rebuild. In addition, Pop used to be all about team success, but now is just as concerned about building and maintaining his own brand. I fear it will take another 2 years of Pop-led teams before there is enough momentum against him that he resigns due to health concerns.

Assistants don’t “come here”, they’re almost all home grown,in an NBA sense. PJ Carlissimo and that Boylan idiot are the only two I can think of who came from elsewhere in the NBA. The rest start life as a spurs intern or video coordinator, or come from abroad like Ettore or Bret Brown.

[dbestpro]

I wish they would take a flyer on Hayes. It’s almost like they are afraid he will be good and cost more to sign or disrupt their draft plans.

[CorrectCrusader]

I wish they would take a flyer on Hayes. It’s almost like they are afraid he will be good and cost more to sign or disrupt their draft plans.

another low IQ trash shooter? I'm surprised the spurs haven't picked him up already

[JeffDuncan]

Pop's lack of coaching acumen was always covered by his ability to delegate to more talented assistant coaches and the fact that he had 3 incredibly team-oriented, extremely high BBIQ, hall of fame talents on the team. …


All NBA head coaches are team managers. Baseball gets the terminology right. Pop spends very little time instructing the players on how to play basketball. He doesn’t have the time. How much of the daily customer service, check cashing, bookkeeping, etc does a bank manager do? An office supervisor doesn’t do all the office work himself. He can’t.

Pop puts on a show of instructional coaching on the sideline during a game. He calls players over to talk to them. He flashes hand signals. But if you’re paying attention you’ll have noticed something about all that. It hardly ever makes the slightest difference to the outcome of the game. It’s primarily a show.

As to what Pop is concerned about, it can be hard to tell if he’s concerned about anything at all. Maybe what wine to serve at dinner after the game.

[Chinook]

I heard in an interview with the esteemed scholar Draymond Green where he said that since Victor can do a little bit of everything and he's all over the court that might actually be hard for his teammates to adjust and know their role and where their spots should be. I don't think that's exactly the problem with this team, it goes beyond that, but still an interesting point.

Draymond is actually very smart and observant. People overlook that because he's crazy. If he could be trusted to not attack his own teammates, I'd be pretty open to the Spurs trying to acquire him this off-season.

The biggest "problem" as it relates to Wemby is that he's too young. Despite the premise of this thread, his individual development is going really well. He's beyond where even someone of his talent should be. What does a disservice to him is how people keep pretending he's mature and ready to skip a bunch of steps. He's not. The dude is still getting bullied on the court and is still too inexperienced to handle individual matchups against stars. I think a huge part of Wemby's frustration last night came from Gobert shoving Victor around all game with no calls. Multiple times Rudy just shoved him out of the way and dunked on him. Wemby has pride. No matter how many times folks want to use that to push a narrative, it's not concerning that Wemby isn't happy with losing. The splitting point is not whether he's frustrated or not; it's whether he's going to channel that frustration into improving the things he can control or whether he's going to lash out and let it sour his experience.

We don't actually know which way he'll go on this. People who only watch his highlights may not understand it, but Wemby's actual technique on the court is not very good, on either end. One of the reasons why he's so inconsistent scoring is because he doesn't have go-to moves. He turns the ball over way too much because of his dribble combined with him still having a slow time processing the NBA floor. He swings down and reaches too much on defense. He still doesn't know how to use his body to handle contact. He's gotten much better at handling his responsibilities on the court, but there's room to go there too. This is all perfectly normal for a rookie. But does he understand that? Does he understand that if he can improve on those issues that he'll win no matter where he goes? Or is he caught up in the hype telling him he's already there and it's everyone else's fault that he's not already contending? I'm not sure. There's evidence for both sides.

In either event, I doubt Victor would've freaked out had he been told "Hey, we're going to be bad the first year and then look to make major changes starting the second year once we know what's up." The issue is that seeing that map in the abstract and living on through that timeline in real time are different things. If Victor is legit frustrated with his situation, it's probably because time isn't moving faster, not because he doesn't believe in the concept of the team getting a good draft pick to "get him help". That draft pick will be a good thing whether they use it to get him a guy like Risacher or if they trade it for someone like Trae Young. Basically no matter what, it's in his best interests to put his head down and work on his game rather than worrying about the talent on the roster or the coaching staff for the rest of the season.

[SpurSpike]

I heard in an interview with the esteemed scholar Draymond Green where he said that since Victor can do a little bit of everything and he's all over the court that might actually be hard for his teammates to adjust and know their role and where their spots should be. I don't think that's exactly the problem with this team, it goes beyond that, but still an interesting point.

I hate Draymond but he might have a point with this. There was a game earlier in the season that a few of Victors past coaches came to see him play and they were asked if they were surprised to see the Spurs struggling after adding a generational talent like Wemby. All of them said they were not surprised at all to see the Spurs struggling and that the same thing happened to each of their teams when Victor was added to the mix. They said he is such a unique player that it took some time for his teammates to adjust to what he can do on the court.

[MannyIsGod]

My only wish on earth is that everyone in this thread (except me) just goes ahead and shoots themselves in the face.

There are a lot of garbage people who post garbage things on this site but JFC man you need help. I really hope this is all an act because if you're really this miserable then condolences.

[MannyIsGod]

Draymond is actually very smart and observant. People overlook that because he's crazy. If he could be trusted to not attack his own teammates, I'd be pretty open to the Spurs trying to acquire him this off-season.

The biggest "problem" as it relates to Wemby is that he's too young. Despite the premise of this thread, his individual development is going really well. He's beyond where even someone of his talent should be. What does a disservice to him is how people keep pretending he's mature and ready to skip a bunch of steps. He's not. The dude is still getting bullied on the court and is still too inexperienced to handle individual matchups against stars. I think a huge part of Wemby's frustration last night came from Gobert shoving Victor around all game with no calls. Multiple times Rudy just shoved him out of the way and dunked on him. Wemby has pride. No matter how many times folks want to use that to push a narrative, it's not concerning that Wemby isn't happy with losing. The splitting point is not whether he's frustrated or not; it's whether he's going to channel that frustration into improving the things he can control or whether he's going to lash out and let it sour his experience.

We don't actually know which way he'll go on this. People who only watch his highlights may not understand it, but Wemby's actual technique on the court is not very good, on either end. One of the reasons why he's so inconsistent scoring is because he doesn't have go-to moves. He turns the ball over way too much because of his dribble combined with him still having a slow time processing the NBA floor. He swings down and reaches too much on defense. He still doesn't know how to use his body to handle contact. He's gotten much better at handling his responsibilities on the court, but there's room to go there too. This is all perfectly normal for a rookie. But does he understand that? Does he understand that if he can improve on those issues that he'll win no matter where he goes? Or is he caught up in the hype telling him he's already there and it's everyone else's fault that he's not already contending? I'm not sure. There's evidence for both sides.

In either event, I doubt Victor would've freaked out had he been told "Hey, we're going to be bad the first year and then look to make major changes starting the second year once we know what's up." The issue is that seeing that map in the abstract and living on through that timeline in real time are different things. If Victor is legit frustrated with his situation, it's probably because time isn't moving faster, not because he doesn't believe in the concept of the team getting a good draft pick to "get him help". That draft pick will be a good thing whether they use it to get him a guy like Risacher or if they trade it for someone like Trae Young. Basically no matter what, it's in his best interests to put his head down and work on his game rather than worrying about the talent on the roster or the coaching staff for the rest of the season.

The frustration on display last night goes way deeper than what Gobert did and any no calls. Its been building a lot over the past month and you could see it in his interviews at AS weekend, his interview after the 5x5 and then fully on display last night. Pop benched him in the 3rd after a couple of turn overs and I honestly didn't understand why. Wemby lost his balance on the two turnovers and they weren't the results of poor decisions so I didn't understand why Pop choose that moment to actually be a hardass when he's done almost none of that this year.

I also think you continuously mischaracterize what people expect out of Wemby right now. Most people here don't expect Wemby to be carrying this team to victories and don't think he's ready to be the best player in the NBA although the potential is obviously on display. Yeah, he's not ready to be the centerpiece and have things run through him on a WINNING team. That's incredibly obvious and I doubt many of the rational posters on here would dispute that. But we're not expected to be a winning team, we're literally the opposite of that. Its OK to make Wemby the center of what we do with the understanding that it is going to look ugly at times. Its not about skipping steps its about a difference in opinion what the steps are. We can disagree on whetehr not on which approach is better, but you really should stop trying to characterize it the way you have almost all season.

100% agree he has no go to moves. But that's part of coaching! I don't understand why we don't have plays run to get him in the same positions we got LMA for mid range jumpers. Pop all year has had this attitude that we should let him just figure things out with almost no structure and its clear that at time this leads to situations that he finds incredibly frustrating on the court. What progress Wemby has made this year - and he's made a lot - is primarily because he's figured things out. I firmly understand the value in not showing people things but letting them struggle a bit and figure things out because it tends to stick better, but when I was teaching college students I didn't just toss them a book and say figure it out.

I think Victor is frustrated by the lack of winning and I think that's pretty much the end of it. I don't particularly think its a long term problem unless we don't win for years. But everything this kid says directly points to him absolutely loathing losing. This is a good quality to have in a star. I don't disagaree at all with your points on what Wemby should worry about, but IMO its clear Pop isn't helping the kid much at all.

[Big Empty]

I already knew this was a throw away year. The Spurs will plug some holes with our two lottery picks and bring in a veteran servicable center. I expect this team to make the play in next year and be a playoff team in two years

[MultiTroll]

Draymond is actually very smart and observant.
:rollin

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Draymond is actually very smart and observant. People overlook that because he's crazy. If he could be trusted to not attack his own teammates, I'd be pretty open to the Spurs trying to acquire him this off-season.

The biggest "problem" as it relates to Wemby is that he's too young. Despite the premise of this thread, his individual development is going really well. He's beyond where even someone of his talent should be. What does a disservice to him is how people keep pretending he's mature and ready to skip a bunch of steps. He's not. The dude is still getting bullied on the court and is still too inexperienced to handle individual matchups against stars. I think a huge part of Wemby's frustration last night came from Gobert shoving Victor around all game with no calls. Multiple times Rudy just shoved him out of the way and dunked on him. Wemby has pride. No matter how many times folks want to use that to push a narrative, it's not concerning that Wemby isn't happy with losing. The splitting point is not whether he's frustrated or not; it's whether he's going to channel that frustration into improving the things he can control or whether he's going to lash out and let it sour his experience.

We don't actually know which way he'll go on this. People who only watch his highlights may not understand it, but Wemby's actual technique on the court is not very good, on either end. One of the reasons why he's so inconsistent scoring is because he doesn't have go-to moves. He turns the ball over way too much because of his dribble combined with him still having a slow time processing the NBA floor. He swings down and reaches too much on defense. He still doesn't know how to use his body to handle contact. He's gotten much better at handling his responsibilities on the court, but there's room to go there too. This is all perfectly normal for a rookie. But does he understand that? Does he understand that if he can improve on those issues that he'll win no matter where he goes? Or is he caught up in the hype telling him he's already there and it's everyone else's fault that he's not already contending? I'm not sure. There's evidence for both sides.

In either event, I doubt Victor would've freaked out had he been told "Hey, we're going to be bad the first year and then look to make major changes starting the second year once we know what's up." The issue is that seeing that map in the abstract and living on through that timeline in real time are different things. If Victor is legit frustrated with his situation, it's probably because time isn't moving faster, not because he doesn't believe in the concept of the team getting a good draft pick to "get him help". That draft pick will be a good thing whether they use it to get him a guy like Risacher or if they trade it for someone like Trae Young. Basically no matter what, it's in his best interests to put his head down and work on his game rather than worrying about the talent on the roster or the coaching staff for the rest of the season.

It's one thing to have empathy. It's another to understand that same feeling does not mean same cause. Most people figure that last bit out in HS.

[thiste]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5ZHI5TqrfQ

[dbestpro]

another low IQ trash shooter? I'm surprised the spurs haven't picked him up already

At least he knows how to pass the ball and play defense. Shooting is only 33% of the game.

[scott]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5ZHI5TqrfQ

A lot of us have opinions on Pop, but man... this guy really hates him :lol

I just don't understand what the Spurs coaching staff thinks is going to happen down the road - all of these guys are just going to forgot all the bad habits they learned and become good defenders? Even if Wemby and Vassell are the only players left on the team, they've still been taught whatever the hell this defensive scheme is and that will need to be broken. Wemby having the defensive impact he does while still making a ton of mistakes and being surrounded by even more mistakes is impressive, but also frustrating.

[Leetonidas]

My only wish on earth is that everyone in this thread (except me) just goes ahead and shoots themselves in the face.

Seek help

[Splits]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5ZHI5TqrfQ

:lol

this guy should tell us how he really feels

[z0sa]

A lot of us have opinions on Pop, but man... this guy really hates him :lol

I just don't understand what the Spurs coaching staff thinks is going to happen down the road - all of these guys are just going to forgot all the bad habits they learned and become good defenders? Even if Wemby and Vassell are the only players left on the team, they've still been taught whatever the hell this defensive scheme is and that will need to be broken. Wemby having the defensive impact he does while still making a ton of mistakes and being surrounded by even more mistakes is impressive, but also frustrating.

If we play devil's advocate, and believe for a moment that Popovich and co actually are emphasizing all these points and has been all season, then we can only come to the conclusion that, other than Wemby, our team is full of low (basketball) IQ fucktards.

However, that wouldn't explain egregious, obvious errors like starting Sochan at point guard for dozens of games.

[scott]

If we play devil's advocate, and believe for a moment that Popovich and co actually are emphasizing all these points and has been all season, then we can only come to the conclusion that, other than Wemby, our team is full of low (basketball) IQ fucktards.

However, that wouldn't explain egregious, obvious errors like starting Sochan at point guard for dozens of games.

Yeah, on the two extremes we have 1) Popovich and the staff don't bother to teach defensive schemes and principles AT ALL and 2) our players are wholly incapable of learning said schemes. Like most things, the answer is likely somewhere in the middle... but both answers do suggest that a massive roster overhaul is necessary to ever be good at defense again. Maybe Pop and crew have resigned to the fact that these guys suck and aren't going to be around anyway... but, I kind of doubt that.

[John B]

Wemby is leading all rookies in almost all categories, arguably top 2 defensive players if not best, maybe top 10 best player right now. Where exactly is the disservice??

Spurs are poised to get 2 lottery picks, potential top 5 and top 10, has caps and movable assets to sign/trade maybe a Trae Young or whoever come the off season. And I don’t doubt many more would love to pair with Wemby. You rather win meaningless W’s now, and lose the chance of drafting two lottery picks so we can watch meaningless wins now?? Are we there yet, are we there yet?? :lol

[widowmaker]

Wemby is leading all rookies in almost all categories, arguably top 2 defensive players if not best, maybe top 10 best player right now. Where exactly is the disservice??

Spurs are poised to get 2 lottery picks, potential top 5 and top 10, has caps and movable assets to sign/trade maybe a Trae Young or whoever come the off season. And I don’t doubt many more would love to pair with Wemby. You rather win meaningless W’s now, and lose the chance of drafting two lottery picks so we can watch meaningless wins now?? Are we there yet, are we there yet?? :lol

You forgot to mention that the spurs are also good at losing and elite at not even putting together a unit cohesive basketball team

[John B]

You forgot to mention that the spurs are also good at losing and elite at not even putting together a unit cohesive basketball team

Spurs are tanking :lol It’s so easy to sign a George Hill, CoJo or anybody and win more games. But why?? So they could get pounded in the 1st round, IF they even make there, while losing the chance of drafting two lottery picks.

[exstatic]

Spurs are tanking :lol It’s so easy to sign a George Hill, CoJo or anybody and win more games. But why?? So they could get pounded in the 1st round, IF they even make there, while losing the chance of drafting two lottery picks.

Houston did that, and they’re still nearly as bad as last year.

[timtonymanu]

Chinook posting those essays just to blame something on Vic. Does it all the time.

[Splits]

Chinook posting those essays just to blame something on Vic. Does it all the time.

ChinGPT tbh

[r0drig0lac]

Pop is done since 2018...or something like this

[widowmaker]

Spurs are tanking :lol It’s so easy to sign a George Hill, CoJo or anybody and win more games. But why?? So they could get pounded in the 1st round, IF they even make there, while losing the chance of drafting two lottery picks.


You are getting it twisted, its not about winning games it’s about getting better as a team and right now they look more out of sync than they have ever been.

[scott]

Gregg Popovich could come shit directly on John B's head, and he'd tell us it was all part of a master plan. Gotta appreciate the never-ending optimism.

[timtonymanu]

What are posters gonna say when we do draft with whatever top pick we get this summer and the team still sucks just as much next year. Is the excuse still gonna be “dur dur the spurs are just tanking.” They may as well be tanking this year but don’t think it was that much part of the plan to have only 11 wins. Maybe the personnel is just trash too.

[timtonymanu]

Gregg Popovich could come shit directly on John B's head, and he'd tell us it was all part of a master plan. Gotta appreciate the never-ending optimism.

John B is the ultimate sniffer. Reddit type poster tbh.

[slick'81]

John B is the ultimate sniffer. Reddit type poster tbh.


hes a solid poster. But the homer shtick is tiring

[RC_Drunkford]

Wemby is leading all rookies in almost all categories, arguably top 2 defensive players if not best, maybe top 10 best player right now. Where exactly is the disservice??

Spurs are poised to get 2 lottery picks, potential top 5 and top 10, has caps and movable assets to sign/trade maybe a Trae Young or whoever come the off season. And I don’t doubt many more would love to pair with Wemby. You rather win meaningless W’s now, and lose the chance of drafting two lottery picks so we can watch meaningless wins now?? Are we there yet, are we there yet?? :lol

https://media1.tenor.com/m/4mPiQEIiiGwAAAAC/chair-sniffing.gif

[John B]

What are posters gonna say when we do draft with whatever top pick we get this summer and the team still sucks just as much next year. Is the excuse still gonna be “dur dur the spurs are just tanking.” They may as well be tanking this year but don’t think it was that much part of the plan to have only 11 wins. Maybe the personnel is just trash too.

Bruh that happens, I’m with everybody on replacing Pop with a new blood, a hungry one with motivation to make his own legacy. But until then, I’m with the FO on taking it slowly. Wemby represents billions of dollars to both the city of San Antonio and to the Holts, not to mention the responsibility to meet his GOAT potential without the risk of injury. And I think the FO is doing a marvelous job of slowly developing him, getting him stronger everyday. It’s not everyday you come up with a generational-and-more like Wemby. I’ve a loyal Spurs fan since DRob rookie year. It’s been a dominant 3 decades for the most part (even before then with only a few years missing the playoffs). So that says a lot about Spurs organization to falter now. Patience :bobo

[John B]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/4mPiQEIiiGwAAAAC/chair-sniffing.gif

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[MannyIsGod]

A lot of us have opinions on Pop, but man... this guy really hates him :lol

I just don't understand what the Spurs coaching staff thinks is going to happen down the road - all of these guys are just going to forgot all the bad habits they learned and become good defenders? Even if Wemby and Vassell are the only players left on the team, they've still been taught whatever the hell this defensive scheme is and that will need to be broken. Wemby having the defensive impact he does while still making a ton of mistakes and being surrounded by even more mistakes is impressive, but also frustrating.

I was prepared to hate this video before clicking on it but I mean, dude isn't wrong about the defense even if the hate goes too far lol

[MannyIsGod]

Wemby is leading all rookies in almost all categories, arguably top 2 defensive players if not best, maybe top 10 best player right now. Where exactly is the disservice??

Spurs are poised to get 2 lottery picks, potential top 5 and top 10, has caps and movable assets to sign/trade maybe a Trae Young or whoever come the off season. And I don’t doubt many more would love to pair with Wemby. You rather win meaningless W’s now, and lose the chance of drafting two lottery picks so we can watch meaningless wins now?? Are we there yet, are we there yet?? :lol

I mean teaching good habits and letting this team actually grow this year wouldn't change that we would be getting two lottery picks this year. Your right that the Spurs have a pretty good warchest to build a team around Wemby, but none of that changes had the Spurs gotten better and won 30 games this year. This year's draft is completely unexciting and we already have the guy we're going to build around. This year is a wash, and it won't ruin our long term chances but losing doesn't make them significantly better IMO. Taking has zero real bearing on how good Toronto's pick is as well.

There's plenty of red flags with the way this team is being coached right now. I really hope this is it for Pop.

[Pauleta14]

Chinook stop trying to outsmart ouself mate

You're acting like Wemby is at a normal level for a rookie, who are u trying to sell that?

You're opposing your narrative to the most extem opposite as if ppl didn't have any nuance in their objections.

Yes Wemby isn't perfect, takes bad shots, has avoidable TOs etc what player doesn't and at what age? Is that your argument??

Wemby has already shown in a small time frame the absurd speed in which he learns and progresses, you think it'll stop suddenly?

Can't you with little imagination, see what could happen if Victor was surrounded by higher IQ and more skilled players seing what he already does with the garbage we have?

How is that going to slow his progression?

ALSO... The main doubt regarding Wemby's career remains the same as before his arrival and seems to be forgotten, his body type represents a high risk of injury and a shorten career compared to more classic ones. Just for that reason he deserves to have the process accelerated or at least not get the same treatment than a more classic player get.
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[buttsR4rebounding]

Assistants don’t “come here”, they’re almost all home grown,in an NBA sense. PJ Carlissimo and that Boylan idiot are the only two I can think of who came from elsewhere in the NBA. The rest start life as a spurs intern or video coordinator, or come from abroad like Ettore or Bret Brown.

You say no one comes then name 4 that came. Way to drive home your point.

[Chinook]

Chinook stop trying to outsmart ouself mate

You're acting like Wemby is at a normal level for a rookie, who are u trying to sell that?.

I'm acting like Wemby should be allowed to be a rookie and not be given extra expectations by a desperate fan base who can't get over a player leaving six years ago. It's okay for him to be a rookie and a kid. That doesn't have to "blamed" or "explained". You have folks shitting themselves inside out because the Spurs aren't winning games this year, coming up with random conspiracies to justify things that don't need to be justified and being comfortable twisting undesirable things into being catastrophes.


Yes Wemby isn't perfect, takes bad shots, has avoidable TOs etc what player doesn't and at what age? Is that your argument??

The argument isn't "Wemby isn't good". It's specifically "Wemby's still at the beginning of his progression curve, and his production shouldn't fool people into thinking he's further along down it than he is." He's not at the point where the team's success is a reflection of his worth. He's not at the point where he "needs help". He's not at the point where people should even consider worrying about trade demands. He's not at the point where he knows how to operate to his best abilities on an NBA court. That's all okay. He's a rookie. The Spurs have problems and concerns separate from Wemby, but the most important factor that does relate to Wemby is his development, and that's going to take time more than anything else.


Can't you with little imagination, see what could happen if Victor was surrounded by higher IQ and more skilled players seing what he already does with the garbage we have?

You mean guys who have the cache to NOT just pass Wemby the ball because they're also good offensive players? People act like Trae Young is going to be given Wemby entry passes for post-ups while spacing the floor. Wemby will likely benefit from Young in terms of Victor's finishing game. But Wemby is more than that, and it's that more that he can basically explore freely right now. Young can't even handle another guard having the ball in his hands, and folks think he's going to his center doing it. It's not exclusively a Trae issue either. Any players worth their salt are going to call their own numbers just like Vassell and Johnson. They'll hopefully be more consistent when they do, but no one is coming over to take a smaller role than those two have, and they'll expect the possessions they're giving up to be used better.

And no, before you jump in, I have never been opposed to the team bringing that talent in, not before this season or going forward. That doesn't mean that this year has been bad for him.


The main doubt regarding Wemby's career remains the same as before his arrival and seems to be forgotten, his body type represents a high risk of injury and a shorten career compared to more classic ones. Just for that reason he deserves to have the process accelerated or at least not get the same treatment than a more classic player get. .

This isn't "treatment". You can't come in here complaining about me twisting argument then come in and say the argument plain just as I had presented it. Wemby isn't getting held back arbitrarily. He's not there yet. The point of talking about his flaws isn't to hate on him. It's to try to explain how he can still be years away despite having stats far beyond where he should be. To make a distasteful analogy, it's to explain that even though he looks older, he's still too young.

... Anyways, even if he's on a timer, that doesn't mean the Spurs should accelerate anything. It just means that it's critical that they no fuck up their building process. In that scenario, they might only get three years to win a title with Wemby, and they're more likely to miss that window by making bad trade than they are by using a couple of early years to continue stacking assets.

[Pauleta14]

Chinook …

- 1st pls don’t use those extrem cases of fans to make ur point. I have no trauma regarding Kawhi and I’m not pushing for a “let’s be contender next season” type of scenario.

- my point wasn’t “Wemby is good” but “everybody is always learning at every age and u could find many instances of less talented less wise lesser IQ player but older and not treated that way.
u basically say Wemby is still young, a rookie as if the Spurs had any control of the environment he has to deal/face with!
Wemby is ALREADY been treated by opponents like an allstar and THE guy to stop every game!

You can’t hide him, he’s too impactful to have the classic rookie road. So why should the spurs treat him diff as a lesser player than every opponent in the league treats and sees him?

He has shown the maturity and character of someone who doesn’t need protection but help.

- Not fan of the Trae option either tbh (see? Don’t assume or use worst or convenient takes to make ur point mate, I never mentioned Trae at any point, I’m more leaning toward a Brogdon…)
I’m not hoping for an Allstar, just player with good fundamentals, capable of seing amd passing the ball to a 7’4, surprisingly it seems impossible for the players we have.


- my point is he can work on his flaws on the fly while competing, not loosing, especially THAT way…

- the “timer” isn’t THE reason Spurs should accelerate the process, it’s one of many reasons with his unique maturity IQ and “sponge” ability that makes him takes leaps in record time.

THAT is rare enough to be the exception that confirms the rule. That is why u need to adapt ur initial plans when you get new infos and the context changes.

even the most optimistic didn’t imagine him being that good that impactful that quick.

If you can’t imagine what could happen if Wemby had shooters to spread or decent passers for easy buckets…